http://www.progarchives.com/forum/ Public Forum Posts - Progarchives.com Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 21 Aug 2025 19:44:04 +0000 Thu, 21 Aug 2025 19:38:01 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 11.01 30 www.progarchives.com/forum/RSS_topic_feed.asp http://www.progarchives.com/forum/css_styles/mac-prog (v11)/PAlogo_v2.gif http://www.progarchives.com/forum/ http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=135510&PID=6195579#6195579 Author: verslibre
Subject: DSotM / WYWH / Animals
Posted: August 21 2025 at 19:38

Animals]]> Thu, 21 Aug 2025 19:38:01 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=135510&PID=6195579#6195579 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82726&PID=6195578#6195578 Author: NotAProghead
Subject: ERRORS THREAD Report Errors and Omissions Here
Posted: August 21 2025 at 19:21

yam yam wrote: I think the only acceptable way we could include splits on both artist's pages would be to give the album a different heading on the respective pages (ie "album title (split with Y)" on artist X's page, and "album title (split with X)" on artist Y's page...and to only include the relevant tracks that each artist contributed to the split on each of the two respective pages.

In my opinion including only tracks belonging to one band is not a good idea. I prefer to see the entire track listing of the album in all cases.

Personally I can live with splits included on both artist pages, but I think:
1. it has to be blessed by admins;
2. then questions "why we handle splits this way and collaboration albums that way" sooner or later arise.
I would leave splits as they are.




Edited by NotAProghead - 10 minutes ago at 19:34]]> Thu, 21 Aug 2025 19:21:19 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82726&PID=6195578#6195578 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82726&PID=6195577#6195577 Author: NotAProghead
Subject: ERRORS THREAD Report Errors and Omissions Here
Posted: August 21 2025 at 19:16

yam yam wrote: @Eugene: If you could leave those changes to the headings that we have for the various Steve Roach collaboration albums that I listed in my post on the previous page here alone for a while, to give Gordy a chance to deal with them himself, I think that would be appreciated. Any further thoughts that people might have had regarding what to do with the nine collaboration albums that Steve released with Vidna Obmana would also be appreciated. I still believe that since there are so many of them, the best solution is to create a separate artist page for Steve Roach & Vidna Obmana (no prior evaluation would really be necessary, since both artists are already on the site, but there's no harm in doing this as a formality just to dot the 'i's and cross the 't's, and if a Steve Roach & Vidna Obmana page was created on AP in readiness for such an evaluation, I could ask Mike to move the collaboration albums to the new artist page, since none of them currently listed on the Steve Roach AP page mention Vidna Obmana, and the two that are currently listed on the Vidna Obmana AP page should really have been filed be under Steve Roach! It would then be a simple matter of moving all the collaboration albums to the new Steve Roach & Vidna Obmana page on PA, and overwriting the remaining two duplicates on the Vidna Obmana page - something which Gordy could do himself, since the PSIKE team will probably be adding Loren Nerell to the site within the coming days.

Thanks, David, I agree that "the best solution is to create a separate artist page for Steve Roach & Vidna Obmana". Fortunately these duplicated albums are not reviewed yet, so no problems with reposting reviews.

yam yam wrote: Sorry to keep dragging this particular issue out, but with so many albums involved it does need a solution finding sooner rather than later - as does the issue of how to handle the isolated splits and collaborations that exist on the site in general - though that's something that's never really had a definite agreed procedure spelt out in stone ever since the site has existed, so isn't quite such a pressing matter, and in any case it would probably be nigh on impossible to find all the existing duplications that have been added to the site over the years, so it's something that can probably never be fixed completely.

I also think it will be never fixed in general. We already have some number of duplications which can't be "unduplicated" because of reviews, often written by people who are no longer available (and we can't ask them to repost their reviews).]]> Thu, 21 Aug 2025 19:16:08 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82726&PID=6195577#6195577 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82726&PID=6195576#6195576 Author: yam yam
Subject: ERRORS THREAD Report Errors and Omissions Here
Posted: August 21 2025 at 17:52

^ Thanks for your support with this, Ian. If the PSIKE team agree, and either decide to go through the formality of an evaluation first, or they just go ahead create the page anyway, I'll get Mike at AP to move the collaboration albums to a corresponding joint artist page on his site too.]]> Thu, 21 Aug 2025 17:52:24 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82726&PID=6195576#6195576 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82726&PID=6195575#6195575 Author: Nogbad_The_Bad
Subject: ERRORS THREAD Report Errors and Omissions Here
Posted: August 21 2025 at 17:41

Given the number of collaboration albums they have moving them to a joint artist page seems the pragmatic choice to me. ]]> Thu, 21 Aug 2025 17:41:15 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82726&PID=6195575#6195575 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=135487&PID=6195574#6195574 Author: Saperlipopette!
Subject: U.S. Jazz Fusion: 1976
Posted: August 21 2025 at 17:23

David_D wrote: Saperlipopette! wrote: ^That's fair enough. I mainly thought it was weird with the "Jean-Luc Ponty French? Tjah?"-part. That's like asking if Lars Ulrich is actually Danish. The ethnical question is tricky. In Denmark and if to be politically correct, people are considered to be Danes when they live in Denmark, even they may be called "new Danes" if they had come from another country.

Tricky for you maybe. I don't care. If I moved to Ethiopia tomorrow, I would still not think of myself as an Ethiopian. But if an Ethiopian moved to Denmark and insisted on being Danish - well, that's fine by me. I have no interst in being difficult for no important reason. I just don't think that way personallly. ]]> Thu, 21 Aug 2025 17:23:52 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=135487&PID=6195574#6195574 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=135510&PID=6195573#6195573 Author: Nogbad_The_Bad
Subject: DSotM / WYWH / Animals
Posted: August 21 2025 at 17:15

Animals > WYWH > DSOTM

All 3 of these have been my all time favorite album at on time. Started with DSOTM when I was just discovering music. WYWH was next throughout my teens, adored Shine On above all else. Finally as my tastes broadened Animals took over, love the darkness, guitar sound, and nihilism. It's still top 5 all time for me. Dogs, Sheep, Pigs, love em.]]> Thu, 21 Aug 2025 17:15:58 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=135510&PID=6195573#6195573 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82726&PID=6195572#6195572 Author: yam yam
Subject: ERRORS THREAD Report Errors and Omissions Here
Posted: August 21 2025 at 16:45

^ Thanks very much for this reply.

@Eugene: If you could leave those changes to the headings that we have for the various Steve Roach collaboration albums that I listed in my post on the previous page here alone for a while, to give Gordy a chance to deal with them himself, I think that would be appreciated.

Any further thoughts that people might have had regarding what to do with the nine collaboration albums that Steve released with Vidna Obmana would also be appreciated.

I still believe that since there are so many of them, the best solution is to create a separate artist page for Steve Roach & Vidna Obmana (no prior evaluation would really be necessary, since both artists are already on the site, but there's no harm in doing this as a formality just to dot the 'i's and cross the 't's, and if a Steve Roach & Vidna Obmana page was created on AP in readiness for such an evaluation, I could ask Mike to move the collaboration albums to the new artist page, since none of them currently listed on the Steve Roach AP page mention Vidna Obmana, and the two that are currently listed on the Vidna Obmana AP page should really have been filed be under Steve Roach!

It would then be a simple matter of moving all the collaboration albums to the new Steve Roach & Vidna Obmana page on PA, and overwriting the remaining two duplicates on the Vidna Obmana page - something which Gordy could do himself, since the PSIKE team will probably be adding Loren Nerell to the site within the coming days.

Sorry to keep dragging this particular issue out, but with so many albums involved it does need a solution finding sooner rather than later - as does the issue of how to handle the isolated splits and collaborations that exist on the site in general - though that's something that's never really had a definite agreed procedure spelt out in stone ever since the site has existed, so isn't quite such a pressing matter, and in any case it would probably be nigh on impossible to find all the existing duplications that have been added to the site over the years, so it's something that can probably never be fixed completely.]]> Thu, 21 Aug 2025 16:45:43 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82726&PID=6195572#6195572 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=135510&PID=6195571#6195571 Author: Finnforest
Subject: DSotM / WYWH / Animals
Posted: August 21 2025 at 16:34

I thought the question seemed familiar, but I'm always up for a Floyd poll. :-)
]]> Thu, 21 Aug 2025 16:34:41 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=135510&PID=6195571#6195571 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82726&PID=6195570#6195570 Author: Gordy
Subject: ERRORS THREAD Report Errors and Omissions Here
Posted: August 21 2025 at 15:44

Thank you for explaining the situation in a thorough language I understand, David. As frustrating as it was seeing my work undone, I can also understand where you and the site as a whole are coming from re: duplicates, though the lack of RYM-like cross-reference and the elevation of "scores" for popular albums does still leave me a bit exasperated.

When I was thrust into my newfound PA administrative duties a couple years ago, I was not really told what to do, and only learned about a faux pas after I had committed it (newest example being the so-called duplicates), so thanks for your patience. While I'll abstain from full-length albums, I still plan to add splits to each individual artist page due to the uniqueness of each side, if that doesn't ruffle anyone's feathers.

For what it's worth, 3- and 4-way band splits that aren't considered samplers have been seen across the electronic and metal worlds (and recently popped up for Post/Math band Horseback), but those are bridges we'll cross when we get to them.


EDIT: I've actually been cleaning up the Steve Roach discography over the years, and I can make those edits within the coming days. I often find myself adding the names of collaborative artists who were (bafflingly) omitted in the original process.

Edited by Gordy - 3 hours 57 minutes ago at 15:47]]> Thu, 21 Aug 2025 15:44:36 +0000 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82726&PID=6195570#6195570