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Jesusland.</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/</link><managingEditor>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</managingEditor><generator>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>210</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><atom10:link xmlns:atom10="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/2nonbeliefblogspot" /><feedburner:info xmlns:feedburner="http://rssnamespace.org/feedburner/ext/1.0" uri="2nonbeliefblogspot" /><atom10:link xmlns:atom10="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/" /><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-7129322458694248911</guid><pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 02:28:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2011-08-09T21:29:56.913-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Thoreau</category><category 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&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.rootstrikers.org/"&gt;http://www.rootstrikers.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-7129322458694248911?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2011/08/rootstrikers.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-892469019222024485</guid><pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 04:54:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2011-07-07T00:47:02.328-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">church and state</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">first amendment</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">prayer</category><title>No Choice</title><description>&lt;div&gt;Prayer is neither peaceful nor sacred when someone is forced to participate in it.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-892469019222024485?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2011/07/no-choice.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-7185950834106757388</guid><pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 01:20:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2011-07-01T21:23:39.751-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">first amendment</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">liberty</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">freedom</category><title>Freedom of Religion</title><description>&lt;p&gt;Some people have still yet to realize that in order to have freedom of religion, there must be freedom from it as well. These are two sides of the same coin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;For, how can you exclusively worship a god without excluding other gods in the process?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I submit that one cannot avoid this; for in excerising your own freedom of religion, you are inevitably excercising your freedom &lt;b&gt;from&lt;/b&gt; someone else's faith.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So then . . . stop feeling entitled and accept that everyone has this right-- and not just &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-7185950834106757388?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2011/07/freedom-of-religion.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-2134557939471743705</guid><pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 04:30:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2011-06-06T23:33:48.723-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">god</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">church services</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">family</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">children</category><title>Sad News . . .</title><description>&lt;div&gt;I' recently watched a news report about an infant who died due to being left in a car during the summer-like heat.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Annually, kids (and pets) seem to die needlessly because they were left in a parked car that became way too hot inside. People sometimes have a lapse of judgment and leave dependents in the car for an extended period of time. Perhaps they forget the baby was sleeping in the back seat. Maybe they don't think they will be gone too long and didn't think the heat would become deadly. Maybe they plan to come right back after running just for a second, but something distracts them. Perhaps they are did something outside of their routine. Maybe they were keeping someone else's child and they haven't quite adjusted to retrieving the child from the car after getting out. These may sound like lame excuses. Some of them probably are. But, some of them just happen because people are . . . well . . . human.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;In this specific report, a married couple goes to church one Sunday morning. I don't know the details because I was not there. I can only imagine, though, that as they got out of the car their hands were full. Maybe they were running late and their absence was holding up service. I say this because the husband was the church musician. Whatever the case, the husband sees another church member who is heading towards the church building. The husband asks this fellow church member to bring his baby in for him. Maybe he yelled it across the parking lot. Maybe he just asked as he hurried past to get inside for service, not waiting for an answer.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Regardless, this church member claims that he &lt;i&gt;did not hear&lt;/i&gt; the request  to retrieve the baby from the car.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So, the couple goes inside and unwittingly leaves their baby out in the church parking lot closed up in the car. The temperature reached an unusual high that day, too.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I honestly don't believe this couple wanted their baby to die; I'm certain they are distraught about this. If they could turn back time, I'm sure they would have done things differently. I'm sure the couple would have ensured the safety of their child if they knew what was about to happen on that fateful day.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I'm so sorry to hear about their loss. Despite the fact that as parents they were totally responsible for their child, I cannot look down on them or pass judgment on them. This &lt;i&gt;seems&lt;/i&gt; to happen every year to someone in the United States. New parents can go through a &lt;i&gt;lot&lt;/i&gt; of stress which can cause a lapse in judgment sometimes. I have two kids. And while I've never left one of my kids in a car, I can see how some parents (and even grandparents) can make some poor parenting mistakes.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;What adds more frustration to this sad news (in my opinion) is what some of the interviewees said. After calling this an awful tragedy (and I agree with that part), they say, "Well, God will work it out . . ."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I can't help it . . . &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The poor baby &lt;i&gt;died&lt;/i&gt; in &lt;i&gt;a church parking lot&lt;/i&gt;; What is left for God to work out?!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-2134557939471743705?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2011/06/sad-news.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-5248400792664751234</guid><pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 04:16:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2011-05-23T23:41:37.168-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">when prophecy fails</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Harold Camping</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">October 21 2011</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">judgment day</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">may 21 2011</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">cognitive dissonance</category><title>What Bull!</title><description>OK. So, nothing happened on May 21st. Now, Harold Camping suddenly realizes that the "Judgment Day" that he predicted was an "invisible" one-- meaning that the "Judgement" was "spiritual" and not literal.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But, now-- the October 21st date which he predicted as the conclusion of the May 21st prophesy is still scheduled to be the end of the world.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I guess that prophesy will turn out to be a non-literal, spiritual event, too.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But, you know what? Psychology can predict the future better than Harold Camping could.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Just read about what happens &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails"&gt;&lt;i&gt;when &lt;/i&gt;prophecy fails&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Clearly cognitive dissonance is at play, here. Harold Camping's teachings has caused people to give their last for a fallacy. Those who still hang on to his teachings can't face their losses now. So, he and his followers dig an even deeper hole to avoid facing their disappointments and embarrassment.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;What bull!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And all that energy-- wasted!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-5248400792664751234?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2011/05/what-bull.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-529860823481362350</guid><pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 19:17:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2011-05-21T14:37:01.250-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">when prophecy fails</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Harold Camping</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">judgment day</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">may 21 2011</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">return of Christ</category><title>May 21st is Almost Gone!</title><description>Well, as we skeptics confidently suspected, nothing has happened today that remotely resembled the grand judgment of Jesus Christ and the rapturing of his Church.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;At the time of this post, it's already May 22nd in New Zealand-- and it's pasted 7:00 AM there, too! Though it's still May 21st in Europe, it's passed 8:00 PM in Berlin, Germany. That's significant because "Judgment" was predicted to begin at 6:00 PM in every time zone.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I feel for those who gave all they had to promote this day. I can't imagine what is going on with them emotionally. My guess is that such people will dig down even more into their fallacies, or they'll be so ashamed, disgusted, and angry with themselves that they'll disappear into a shadow of bitterness.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The media gave Harold Camping and Family Radio (not &lt;i&gt;American&lt;/i&gt; Family Radio) all the attention he could probably hope for. Now it's time to dismiss him as an attention-craving quack and totally ignore him should he crank out a &lt;i&gt;third &lt;/i&gt;failed prediction.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I do realize that many Christians did not believe this prediction would mean anything. But, this is a good time to raise the question: Why hasn't Jesus come back, yet?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Another good question to raise is: Didn't he promise to already return before all the disciples died?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;How long will Jesus have to delay before Christianity of the future becomes unrecognizable from the fundamental Christianity of modern day?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Oh well . . . enough of this. It's time for some caffeine.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-529860823481362350?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2011/05/may-21st-is-almost-gone.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-3462191696363136753</guid><pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 04:18:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2011-05-21T14:37:29.861-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Harold Camping</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">party</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">judgment day</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">2012</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">1999</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">may 21 2011</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">advent</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">return of Christ</category><title>May 21st is Almost Here!</title><description>The time is fast approaching.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Are you ready?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;May 21st, 2011 is the date where some people &lt;a href="http://www.wecanknow.com/"&gt;claim that they know for sure that Jesus will return for his church&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I wonder will their site stay up after the 21st, regardless of what happens.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;They have another site they sponsor called: the-latter-rain.com&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The have a FAQ that addresses the concern about how &lt;a href="http://the-latter-rain.com/faq-rolling-judgment.html"&gt;the international date line will impact the timing of the May 21st Advent of Christ&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Check it out sometime in the link above. It's a hoot!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So . . . what will you be doing on May 21st, 2011?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-3462191696363136753?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2011/05/may-21st-is-almost-here.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-488570355919145347</guid><pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 02:08:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2011-04-21T21:47:46.984-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">education</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Choice books</category><title>Choice Books</title><description>As I sat at my local pharmacy waiting on a perscription to be filled, I notice a stand with a sign above it labled "Choice Books, Reading to Enrich Your Life".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here are some of the titles:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;23 Minutes in Hell&lt;br /&gt;Angels in the ER&lt;br /&gt;Comfort Food Diet (to keep you encouraged until your prayers get an answer)&lt;br /&gt;Transformimg Prayer&lt;br /&gt;The New Bible Cure for Depression and Anxiety&lt;br /&gt;Praise word Search Puzzles&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You get the point by now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And Jone Jet's "I love Rock 'n Roll" is crankin' on in the background.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nice!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, are bible based books the only choice reading around here?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-488570355919145347?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2011/04/choice-books.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-1852859149878354292</guid><pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2011-04-03T19:00:01.971-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">non belief</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">god</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">bible</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">evil</category><title>The Goodness (and Evilness) of God</title><description>I ended up having to work late hours one weeknight. As a result, I overslept and my children missed the school bus (again). So, I had to take them to school (again) myself and then head on to work.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;As I was returning to my car from signing the "tardy" sheet for my kids, I see another parent ambling along with his child into the school building. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Well, at least &lt;i&gt;I'm&lt;/i&gt; not the &lt;i&gt;only &lt;/i&gt;parent oversleeping.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I found myself staring at this guy as he was making his way down the sidewalk. But, I didn't know why. I felt like I was being rude, but couldn't help myself. And even stranger, this guy was staring right back at me. But the more I stared, the more familiar he looked. Then, in the tone of a question, he called out my name.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Suddenly, I remember who he was and we both became so excited to see each other. I decided to hang around my car until he came back out. We talked for over an hour! We hadn't seen each other in probably twenty years! We tried to catch up up on each other's life-- which explains why we talked for so long.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This poor fellow seems to have had a lot of hardship in his travels. I am not envious of him at all.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;We met in a Christian youth group when we were kids, so I had to sort of keep my guard up. He still used Christian "language"-- now and then he hinted that he was still trying to grow his relationship with God and such. But he openly admitted that the evangelical persona that he projected years ago wasn't really &lt;i&gt;him&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;He was also quick to admit that he was quite baffled at how a person can endure hardships and suffering still make sense of the Bible after actually &lt;i&gt;reading &lt;/i&gt;through it.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;He seems to be where I was a years ago just before I abandoned my faith. He's reading his Bible-- I mean, really reading it and paying attention to the words. And as a result, he's noticed that God doesn't shy away from taking credit for creating evil, and perhaps even causing it.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Not many Christians that I know of will even let their mouths form such words!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;He cited how King Saul was vexed by a spirit that &lt;i&gt;God &lt;/i&gt;sent. He talked about how God admits to even creating evil. He talked about how he doesn't see things any longer as "good" verses "evil" and God verses Satan. Rather, he simply sees God causing everything to happen for what ever reason that he sees fit. Sort of like the way God treated Job by openly allowing Satan give him one helluva time.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Then oddly, my old friend concede that God must know what he's doing.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But curiously, he would often hedge his praise towards God with the phrase, ". . . I guess" throughout our conversation. Such as-- "God must know what he's doing . . . I guess".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;He seemed hesitant and doubtful about mainstream Christianity now with his newfound insight flooding in interesting implications.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But despite the vibe I was feeling from him, I wasn't sure if he was ready for me to be totally honest and open about my current atheistic perspective.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So, I played along for the moment.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;We exchanged numbers. I think we'll talk again soon (if I can find the slip of paper. I'm an idiot! I should have put it in my phone on the spot).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The evolution of his religious beliefs will be interesting to observe should we keep in touch. And should I ever revel to him my current beliefs, his reaction would be quite interesting to witness as well.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-1852859149878354292?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2011/04/goodness-and-evilness-of-god.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-7919117297009658591</guid><pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2011-04-01T07:00:03.434-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">atheist</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">april fool</category><title>Happy Atheist Day!</title><description>&lt;a href="http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2009/04/happy-atheist-day.html"&gt;Happy Atheist Day&lt;/a&gt;, everyone!&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I think this is my third year posting a "holiday greeting" such as this. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Three years is a long time in "internet" years.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Anyhow, Happy Atheist Day!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Enjoy!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-7919117297009658591?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2011/04/happy-atheist-day.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-8849965661878608167</guid><pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2011 03:00:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2011-03-29T22:00:01.527-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">death</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">jesus</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">soccer</category><title>The Arms of Jesus</title><description>Both of my kids participate in the my local county soccer association. This results in my sometimes mingling with other soccer parents that I'd probably never meet otherwise.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;One parent happened to be a semi-pro soccer player himself and (to me) seemed quite fit and active. His son looked like he may very well be on the same path to becoming quite adept with a soccer ball.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This gentleman that I just described recently experienced a serious heart condition that was obviously lurking for some time; however, it's manifestation was sudden and surprising. He ended up staying in the hospital for weeks.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I finally saw him at one of the games recently. I didn't recognize anything about him except his voice. He was frail and he couldn't walk due to atrophy, so he was going to watch the game from the passenger side of the parked, family van. He called my name as I was making my way out to the field to watch my son play; I was unwittingly passing by where he sat.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;He talked about how he was totally caught off guard by his turn in health. He talked about all the tubes he endured-- even feeding tubes-- and all the lost weight. He talked about his sense of helplessness and his newfound dependency upon others for simple things such as getting a decent shave.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;He strongly alluded to also having a near death experience. He described how he had a feeling that he was leaving this world when his heart condition finally came to the surface so suddenly. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;He began to cry as he continued to describe how he thought he was going to die, but then he seemed to be in a warm place. He felt as though he was wrapped in an electric blanket. He became calm and felt safe.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;He said that he didn't want to leave because he realized he was in the arms of Jesus.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I never had a near death experience, but I suspect that I'm slightly familiar with the feelings he described because of my exposure to Pentecostalism. I remember many such warm feelings during worship and praise. I have known moments of ecstasy where I totally lost my sense of where I was. I think I could identify with some of the feelings he described.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But, then he spoke of how he saw his wife and children. He thought of them and realized that he couldn't leave them. So, he chose to come back despite the beaconing warmth of Jesus' arms.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;He was still crying as he talked. But, I became curious. Was he crying because he was so overjoyed to have felt the arms of Jesus, or was he crying because he almost died and could only barely hold on to life because he didn't want to &lt;i&gt;abandon his family?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I wondered this because he spoke of the fear of never seeing his family again with a sense of agony. He talked about how his children have reacted to his being gone from home for so long. I do think he was very afraid-- but I cannot know his deepest thoughts.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;He admonished me to trust in Jesus because now he's certain that he's real. He already assumes I'm a Christian-- and he already believed in Christ. But, he just couldn't help but be sure to mention how real Jesus has become to him now that he's had such an experience.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I was very much like that after I had spoken in tongues for the first time. I remember it quite well.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;His appeal was emotional and certainly compelling. But, I also know that such feelings can come from totally within ourselves. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I didn't debate him. That was not the time for such a conversation. I'm just glad he survived his life-threatening aliments and remained in the land of the living.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But, I'm still not convinced his tears were of joy for being in the arms of Jesus. I believe he was simply afraid for it all to end so suddenly-- without any warning. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Again, I cannot know how he truly felt. I can only speculate and impose my own bias thinking upon his words. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Besides-- even if he did cry because of fear (and not joy), I certainly cannot say that I blame him for his tears. I'd probably cry just the same.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-8849965661878608167?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2011/03/arms-of-jesus.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-5171962664929076275</guid><pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2011 00:24:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2011-03-18T19:38:15.660-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">depression</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">prayer</category><title>Prayer Duds</title><description>Recently, my wife went to a series of group therapy sessions for people dealing with clinical depression. She's battled this for some time now. And &lt;i&gt;boy&lt;/i&gt;, depression is a battle. Depression is a very serious disorder that should not be taken lightly at all.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;In her group session, she mentioned how all the prayer in the world never helped. No matter how much she prayed, no matter how much others prayed for her, she never saw results with her depression-- apart from taking medication, attending therapy, and having a supportive social base.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The therapy session took place at a semi-religious institution. I mean-- I'm in Jesusland, for cryin' out loud! Where will we find a secular therapist?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And many of the people in her group were admitted Christians. But my wife says that everyone in her group emphatically nodded in agreement to her statement.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;They all had that common experience that when it comes to depression-- prayer seems to only be a dud.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Why is that?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Maybe for the same reason that God doesn't heal amputees, perhaps.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-5171962664929076275?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2011/03/prayer-duds.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-2757466046771624111</guid><pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 02:00:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2010-12-17T20:00:00.390-06:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Nazism</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">atheism</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">US Constitution</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Pope Benedict XVI</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Luther</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Hitler</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">history</category><title>No, This is About Power</title><description>Ever since Pope Benedict XVI gave his September 2010 speech in Europe, his words about atheism have been on my mind. Particularly these words here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Even in our own lifetime, we can recall how Britain and her leaders stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society and denied our common humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were thought unfit to live. I also recall the regime’s attitude to Christian pastors and religious who spoke the truth in love, opposed the Nazis and paid for that opposition with their lives. As we reflect on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism of the twentieth century, let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society and thus to a “reductive vision of the person and his destiny”&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I've seen plenty of arguments for and against this notion. And I've personally been in a few on-line arguments with other people over this issue.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I hope that when I share my opinion here, that I don't come across sounding as though I'm completely "right" and any opposing viewpoint is completely "wrong". Rather, I hope that my opinion can at least be thought provoking or perhaps even stir up a meaningful dialog on the subject matter.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And, my opinion may very well be met with silence. That's OK, too. I feel the need to get this off my chest at the very least. Writing helps me to do that-- even if no one comments or even reads this post.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Let us assume that &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP_iNCGH9kY"&gt;Hitler was unquestionably an atheist&lt;/a&gt; and that the Nazi regime was undeniably--without debate-- the result of an atheistic philosophy and world view though and through.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Even with such an assumption, can we still not think of other large scale crimes against society that were committed in the name of God?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And can we still not see that many people who subscribe to the wold view of atheism can still do good and make great contributions to society?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I have slowly come to the opinion that arguing the level of religiosity found in either Hitler or the Nazi regime alone cannot completely help us learn the dire lessons that we need to grasp from history.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I personally think that it's clear that Nazism was not about atheism-- not when the belt buckles of some soldiers would read: &lt;i&gt;Gott Mit Uns&lt;/i&gt;. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Nazism was not about atheism when religious imagery was mix in quite well with the propaganda of the Nazi party.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But, I'll dare say that Nazism was not necessarily about &lt;i&gt;theism&lt;/i&gt;, either.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;No, in my opinion, this is about &lt;b&gt;power&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Anyone that wants to control how you think, how you live, who you consider your enemies, who you worship, and who you may not worship is only seeking &lt;i&gt;power&lt;/i&gt;. A person seeking absolute power can come heralding the name of Christ or come denying the existence of God. And followers of either ideology can find themselves mindlessly supporting such a wantonness drive for human control.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I admire the Founding Fathers of the United States of America. They tried to fashion a government that allowed belief in God without imposing religion upon anyone. After fleeing from a monarchy, they understood well that mindlessly following any ideology is the truest danger of society. We need to be free to argue, disagree, live our own lives, and state opinions that are unpopular. We need to learn to do this and still respect each other's humanity and refrain from resorting to violence to resolve ideological disputes.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;When force is used to impose an ideology on others, then the moral tenants of the ideology in question are probably only an afterthought. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Because in the end, it's all really about power.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-2757466046771624111?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2010/12/no-this-is-about-power.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>6</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-8698336541041485360</guid><pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 22:37:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2010-11-20T16:52:49.537-06:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">/var/log/melog</category><title>A New Personal Journal</title><description>&lt;div&gt;I have not given up on blogging, but I will not post here nearly as much as I have. I had started another blog, but it wasn't personally fulfilling for some reason. I've started a new web log that seems to hit the spot for me emotionally. Whether an audience will ever read it remains to be seen. But, I'm doing this more for myself. People are welcome to be a voyeur of my personal electronic journal. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So if you want to read anything that I'm currently writing, then visit my newest blog:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://varlogmelog.blogspot.com"&gt;/var/log/MeLog&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I won't consider this web log dead just yet. I will probably still post here from time to time, but it will be rare.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I have nothing to say here at the moment that isn't ready being said very well by lots of other people across the Internet.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-8698336541041485360?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2010/11/new-personal-journal.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>2</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-1425065697380606199</guid><pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 03:11:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2010-10-12T23:54:12.077-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Joseph Campbell</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">first amendment</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">atheism</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">god</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Neil Postman</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">End of Education</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">religion</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">mythology</category><title>Recent Reflections Concerning Religion</title><description>I have finally found a quite, rare moment to write . . .&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Lately, I noticed that I was developing hostility towards religion. I didn't notice this within myself until I felt extremely annoyed at the notion that religion and myth are such powerful forces in so many lives. Ironically, I had come to admire the works of Joseph Campbell as my life's journey brought me to a posture of atheism. Campbell eloquently shows how the influence of myth is powerfully ingrained in the human psyche. Religious metaphor moves and inspires people-- without question. And at first, this was an intriguing and beautiful discovery to me despite my growing sense of non-belief. But in these recent weeks, his ideas were starting to bother me more and more.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I especially noticed this when a dear friend of mine recommend that I read a book entitled &lt;i&gt;The End of Education&lt;/i&gt;. This book seemed to really rub my nose in "it" by constantly expressing that religion is a fixture in most of humanity. At this stage of the evolutionary cycle, human kind cannot, as a whole, expect to suddenly detach from religion any time soon. As a result, education's engine may run best when wrapped up in a mythological or religious-like narrative. The author of this book was not advocating religion itself, or any specific religion. Just the idea that narrative in a mythological style may be the best seeds for planting the important lessons of life.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And he quoted Joseph Campbell on top of everything else as he made his case!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And that's when I came to realize something . . .&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;It's OK if religion hangs around for a while.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I've come to realize that nothing is wrong with being inspired by a myth or a religious faith. Nothing is wrong with drawing inspiration from a narrative. Our minds almost seem wired for this. Yes, our minds seem to have an ingrown place that is wired for mythological narrative, faith talk, and religion. If that be true, who am I to be angry about this?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I have also come to realize for myself that while I can personally do &lt;i&gt;without&lt;/i&gt; religion, others cannot or will not. It is not my place to judge people whose lives are driven by faith.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Also, I cannot prove that god does not exist. And while the burden of proof rest upon the claimant, I cannot be totally certain that the claimant will never find evidence for their deity's existence.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;That doesn't mean that I've become a theist again. &lt;i&gt;Not at all&lt;/i&gt;. That only means that I realize that I have &lt;i&gt;no right&lt;/i&gt; to push someone into thinking that &lt;i&gt;there is no god&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Just as a theist has&lt;i&gt; no right&lt;/i&gt; trying to push god upon me.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I thought about what I wanted to see happen in society as an atheist or agnostic. What did I really want to see change in society around me?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here's all the change that I ask for concerning the clash between the religious and the non-religious. I wish that more people would take time to:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;1. Understand that I want religious people to have the freedom to worship their deity. This is their right as human beings.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;2. Understand that I want to exercise the right to interpret religion just as freely as other religious people already get to do. So, whatever deity I have&lt;i&gt; or do not have&lt;/i&gt; in my life is my business and my personal right. I should not be treated differently because of this.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;3. Understand that I do not deserve to be threatened with eternal torture of the &lt;i&gt;hereafter&lt;/i&gt; or with imminent death in the &lt;i&gt;here and now&lt;/i&gt; simply because I have a difference of opinion. Remember: Someone else has a deity that breaths threats of eternal punishment &lt;i&gt;for you&lt;/i&gt; in &lt;i&gt;their&lt;/i&gt; prediction of the afterlife, too. So, are you going to drop &lt;i&gt;your&lt;/i&gt; faith and follow theirs now? No? Please, then, do not expect this of me.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;4. Understand that I do not want to turn the world into an atheistic society that has flushed away all religion. I want religious people to maintain their freedom to worship. I would simply ask that more religious people become tolerant of non-religious people.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;5. Understand that if you have to &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; speak for your deity, punish for your deity, and badger others for your deity, then perhaps your deity is mute and impotent: that's (after all) the mark of a lifeless, idol god. &lt;i&gt;I'm not saying . . . but, I'm just saying.&lt;/i&gt; Give your deity a chance to take care of him or herself before you terrorize and threaten others on your deity's behalf.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;6. Understand that I realize that I could be completely wrong about the existence of God. I revisit that idea frequently, but I'm very comfortable where I am right now in my non-belief.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;7. Understand that you could be completely wrong about (at the very least) your faith. Be open and tolerant therefore, of those with whom you disagree.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;8. Understand that freedom is enjoyed best when everyone can enjoy it. Everyone cannot enjoy our nation if any specific religion is oppressed by Government or controlled by Government. The same potential for tyranny holds true if any specific religion oppresses our society or rises up to control and assimilate our Government.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;After mulling over these reflections for a few days, I felt much better. My hostility towards religion dissipated. Just as Thomas Jefferson said, "But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg". While this is true, the problem comes when your neighbor cannot stand the fact that you disagree and (as a result) wants to actively break your legs &lt;i&gt;because&lt;/i&gt; you are different.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So, in that vein: I do not hate god or religion-- rather, I hate the notion that people feel they ever have a right to force an ideal upon me with which I disagree. And when speaking in those terms, it doesn't matter if the ideal is a religious one or not.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-1425065697380606199?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2010/10/recent-reflections-concerning-religion.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>9</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-8031020215711904889</guid><pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 01:36:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2010-09-21T20:47:54.534-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Christian college</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">soccer</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">family</category><title>It's Gonna Be a While</title><description>It's gonna be a while before I post again, I think. Work, family life, and my wife's return to school has constricted my free time a whole lot.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So, if you ever wonder where I am-- I'm either at work, proof reading papers for my wife, on a soccer field watching my kids practice, or dead to the world asleep.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But, I'll leave you with a bit of irony: my wife chose to enroll in one of the local Christian colleges in my area. Imagine that! It was the only school that had classes that fit her schedule. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So, now I fend off nightmares of kids running around in soccer uniforms and term papers about critical thinking that require a Christian theme.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Yikes!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-8031020215711904889?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2010/09/its-gonna-be-while.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>2</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-2594938017228655834</guid><pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 04:03:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2010-09-14T23:25:34.238-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">scripture</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">bible</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">religion</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">koran</category><title>Read Each of the Following</title><description>I was performing the grueling task of making my son finish his homework today.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;He had a language assignment that was designed to train him in discerning an author's purpose. Before reading the directions, the worksheet had a short paragraph explaining the possible purposes of the author. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;For instance, if an author gives facts, then his or her purpose is most likely to inform. If the author is writing about how wonderful something is, he or she is probably trying to persuade. And, if the author is writing a story about fictional characters, then the author is probably making an attempt to entertain.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;After reviewing that paragraph with my son, we read the directions which were as follows:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Directions:&lt;/b&gt; READ EACH OF THE FOLLOWING WRITINGS AND DECIDE WHETHER THE AUTHOR'S PURPOSE IS TO:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;persuade&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;inform&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;entertain&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;After wrestling with my son over matters of neatness, sloppiness, and coherency, something started to dawn on me.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;If the Bible isn't trying to sell you something, then it's not trying to persuade. But, if it's not totally accurate historically, then it's not making a good attempt at informing others.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Ah! So then, it's for &lt;i&gt;entertainment&lt;/i&gt;!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Ha! &lt;i&gt;Now&lt;/i&gt; I get it!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;OK, OK . . . honestly-- it's &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; that simple in my opinion. But, that notion sure has given me something to think about.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;What was the purpose of any given author of any given scripture text?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;That's an important question for everyone to explore each and every time we read.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-2594938017228655834?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2010/09/read-each-of-following.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>1</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-8830696057574655448</guid><pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2010-09-10T19:00:01.147-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">computers</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">reason</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">jesusland</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">IT</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">religion</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">logic</category><title>How Mystical Thinking interferes with Troubleshooting IT Issues</title><description>I work in the IT field. I won't go into too much detail about what I do because I want to preserve my anonymity as much as I can.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I've noticed that in Jesusland, many people have mystical thinking about computers. I did, too, before I became comfortable with troubleshooting computer problems.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;People make comments that their computers have minds of their own. They only work when they want to. Problems only happen when tech support isn't around, but vanish when we finally show up to assess the problem.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;E-mail just "disappears". Gremlins eat important files.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Computers just get tired and give out.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The computer just doesn't like that Ethernet cable you're using. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I know that most of these types of comments are just mild personifications that we give to all objects around us. Overall this is harmless and reduces the stress that comes from the frustration of a cantankerous, uncooperative PC. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But when the troubleshooters themselves actually buy into this sort of thinking, problems do not get resolved. They are just chalked up as mysteries as unnecessary work around's are often devised while the real problem fails to be properly addressed and corrected.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I've seen people wonder if a &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_interface_controller"&gt;NIC&lt;/a&gt; card had it's own mind. Or wonder why a docking station for a laptop works with a store bought Ethernet cable, but not a hand made Ethernet cable.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Rather than admitting the hand made cable is bad, they rationalize that something mystical is happening with the docking station or NIC.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I've also seen people wonder if interference from a cell phone could keep a dial up modem from working.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I'm not talking about customers. I mean &lt;i&gt;technicians&lt;/i&gt; that are &lt;i&gt;helping&lt;/i&gt; customers.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And that's the problem we run into when we let mysticism guide us through troubleshooting technology. You explore a false premise and ignore the clues that lead you to the facts.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Nothing is wrong with pretending your PC has a personality. I felt sort of nostalgic recently when I had to decommission a few servers that got me through thick and thin. I sorta missed 'em for a few days. It was like saying bye-bye to a neighborhood friend that was moving away for good.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But, I know that I couldn't gently pat the server on the side of the chassis and magically make it work correctly again after it malfunctioned. I can't hold a CD or DVD in one hand while laying my other hand on the server to form some sort of mind meld that mystically uploads the software. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;That just doesn't work in IT.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I wish I &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; lay hands on a server and manage it. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Remotely. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;From home.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;In bed while asleep.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Now, &lt;b&gt;that&lt;/b&gt; would be the &lt;i&gt;shiznits&lt;/i&gt;!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Man, if that sort of thing could really happen, I might reconsider the existence of God!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Or maybe the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_(Star_Wars)"&gt;Force&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-8830696057574655448?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2010/09/how-mystical-thinking-interferes-with.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-3911357491592232350</guid><pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2010-09-03T19:00:02.049-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">US Constitution</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">theocracy</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">religion</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">congress</category><title>How All Business Phones Should be Answered?!</title><description>&lt;div&gt;I ran across this e-mail recently. I'll post it first, then at the end make my comments about it:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;How ALL business phones SHOULD be answered! &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;'GOOD MORNING, WELCOME TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA'&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;'Press '1' for English .... &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;....Press '2' to disconnect until you learn to speak English .'&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And remember only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you ... &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Jesus Christ&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;... And the American Soldier. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;One died for your soul, &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The other for your freedom. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;If you agree...... &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Keep it going&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Now, to force me to answer my phone with the greeting above is quite unfair. You don't think so? What if someone told the supporters of the above e-mail to answer the phone with, "Allah Akbar". I bet their faces and necks would turn red hot!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This is not a Christian nation. &lt;a href="http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2008/10/congress-shall-make-no-law.html"&gt;Congress Shall Make NO Law&lt;/a&gt; respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;If this were a Christian nation, why do we have a President rather than a Pastor. Why do we have a Congress rather than a Congregation? Why a Constitution rather than just using the King James Bible?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;That's what a real Christian nation would do. And a real Christian nation would do away with our freedoms in the process, too.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Forcing everyone to learn English is a convenience. But the world is getting smaller and the United States is a melting pot. Trace your heritage back. White people have black uncles. Black people can trace back to Ireland, West Africa and Choctaw. People of Asian decent call themselves Americans first when you might be tempted to call them Chinese-- yet they are of Japanese decent!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I bet those who want everyone to speak English or get out of the country couldn't find a bathroom if they were dropped in Germany, France, Sweden, or Mexico even!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Learn a little bit of a foreign language. You and you're children will need it 20 years from now.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Lastly, soldiers have indeed died for our freedom. So, you sure as hell have no right to impose your religious views upon me. And don't suggest I don't care about our soldiers. I don't have to voice adoration for Jesus to love this country and honor our military.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Period.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-3911357491592232350?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2010/09/how-all-business-phones-should-be.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>2</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-3045611578207217252</guid><pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2010-08-28T19:00:02.332-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">church and state</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">closet</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">first amendment</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">atheism</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">church</category><title>Baby Steps</title><description>In my previous post, I discussed my recent feelings about whether I should remain in the closet or not about my atheism.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;A day needs to come where keeping my dirty little secret no longer feels necessary.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Again, I'm not doing anything radical at the moment. But here's my first baby step towards coming out to the real world.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;See . . . I never dropped my membership from the denominations with which I am still affiliated. I grew up being part of the Missionary Baptist Church but converted to Apostolic Pentecostalism at 18 years old. I never formally cut ties with the Baptist church when I moved. My last years as a Christian were spent being part of the Church of God based in Cleveland, TN. But, I never formally cut ties with the Apostolic Faith Church, either.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So, for my first baby step, I wrote a letter to the Church of God state office in my area and formally withdrew my membership. Below is a copy of the letter I wrote. I have edited out any personal information because at this time, I am not yet ready to share those details online:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div&gt;XXXXXX COG State Office&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;XXXXXXXXXXX&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;XXXXXXXXXXX&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;To whom it may concern,&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Please accept this letter as my formal request to withdraw my membership from the Church of God organization headquartered in Cleveland, TN. At the time that I joined this denomination, I was attending &lt;span class="Apple-style-span"&gt;XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;My personal beliefs concerning God, Salvation, and the Bible are no longer fully aligned with all of the statements of faith held by the Church of God organization.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;No one has done anything to drive me away from XXXXXXX or from the Church of God organization as a whole. I do not harbor any animosity towards anyone in the organization and everyone at XXXXXXXXXX was very kind and caring towards me and my family during my membership. My decision to withdraw my membership solely rests upon the personal changes in my faith when compared to the doctrines of the Church of God.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I realize that this letter will not be pleasing to receive, but ultimately I must be honest concerning the conflicts between your articles of faith and my current personal beliefs. Therefore, I hereby tender my withdrawal of membership and I wish you good fortune in all your endeavors as a church and organization.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Respectfully yours,&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;XXXXXXXXXXX&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;I know that this letter isn't radical. But this was a very big step for me. I didn't just ask to withdraw my membership. I let them know that I don't agree with their doctrine any longer. Although, I didn't say way or how.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And I think that may be the crux of the whole issue between the religious and the non-religious.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I shouldn't have to explain. And I won't. If someone from the church calls, I will simply say that my private beliefs have changed. It's honestly not the business of anyone else what I believe about God and why. My right as a human being, as an adult, and as United States citizen is to have my own private opinion about God and exercise that belief to my liking.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Well . . . assuming I'm not harming others, being cruel to animals or destroying the property of others, that is.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Anyhow . . .&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;That is my First Amendment right -- just as the members of other religions may enjoy this right, too.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I hope to one day write the other two denominations a very similar letter. But, my ties with the Church of God were much weaker and shorter lived. I'm not making too many waves writing a letter to them. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I need to grow up a bit more before writing to the other two denominations. I hope to develop the strength in time.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I'm proud of my little baby step. Even if it is only a small one.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-3045611578207217252?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2010/08/baby-steps.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>13</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-3966581319855762657</guid><pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2010-08-27T19:00:03.399-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">closet</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">homosexuality</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">atheism</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">greta christina</category><title>Concerning the Idea of Coming Out</title><description>&lt;div&gt;Anyone who has followed my blog for any length of time knows that I've tried to remain anonymous. I want my blog to remain a place where I can freely voice my thoughts without worrying about some acquaintance or family member outing me. I also stay anonymous to avoid any possible persecution or discrimination in the event that a customer of my employer or a co-worker find this site and pin it to my identity.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Perhaps I'm worried about nothing. But, I don't really want to take that chance. So, I seriously doubt I will ever disclose my full identity &lt;i&gt;on this blog&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;However, I do feel that I need to start making steps to come out of the closet in the real world-- apart from cyber space.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Recently, two bloggers that I follow were outed in different ways-- only days apart from each other. Both seemed very displeased about the whole ordeal, but found that their world didn't totally crumble once the smoke cleared. Yes, they must make adjustments now that important relationships have become strained and stretched. But a bit of relief seems to have come as a result of taking off the mask.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And another benefit may come from being outed. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;According to a recent talk given by Greta Christian entitled "&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/secularstudents"&gt;What Atheists Can Learn from the LGBT Movement&lt;/a&gt;", she states that the number one phenomena that generated more tolerance for the LGBT community was the coming out of members.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Coming out of the closet, according to Greta Christina, causes people who would normally be intolerant of the LGBT community realize they personally &lt;i&gt;know &lt;/i&gt;someone from that community. Potential opponents are forced to put the human face of a friend or loved one up against their intolerance. As a result, tolerance slowly displaces prejudice because the members of the LGBT movement are no longer "them". Rather, they are now our brothers, cousins, sisters, fathers, mothers, friends, and children.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;As it should be.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The people who were outed by their blogs may wished it never happened, but these outings may actually serve as two more important steps forward for the atheist community as a whole.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;In light of Greta Christina's talk coupled with the outing of the two bloggers I've mentioned, I now have a much stronger desire to come out of the closet myself.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Again, not here on this site. Although, I think I might start sharing a few details about myself that I would normally keep private. I'm mulling it over for the moment.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But as for life outside of the blogsphere, I have decided to slowly take baby steps towards coming out to the people from which I've hidden for several years now.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;In my next post, I'll share my very first baby step towards coming out of the closet.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-3966581319855762657?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2010/08/concerning-idea-of-coming-out.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>5</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-9188218096496801715</guid><pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2010-08-20T19:00:01.493-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">pentecostalism</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">god</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">demon busters</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">vodou</category><title>Demon Busters</title><description>Spiritual Warfare is a theme that I haven't talked much about. &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;You know, Demon Busters. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;People who believe that every malignant thing that happens is caused by a demon.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Did you talk back to your parents? A demon influenced you to do it.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Did you get too lazy to pray today? A demon did it.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Are you depressed? A demon is oppressing you.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Do you feel surrounded by constant bad luck? A demon has invaded your life.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Are you sick? Never mind microbes-- you've got a sick demon riding your back.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And demons should be cast out of you. Some person close enough to God has the power to lay hands on you and call that demon out of your life.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;In recent years, I wondered why calling upon an omnipotent God to remove a demon more powerful that you was always a struggle.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;There is always this big display. Lots of crying, bucking, and jerking. Eyes start rolling in the back of the head as one starts foaming at the mouth . . .&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Heck, Jesus just said, "Come out!" and they did. Rarely did demons talk back. And when demons did talk back, he told them to shut up and sent them off into swine who subsequently ran themselves off a cliff and to their deaths.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And Jesus said that his followers would do greater works than those that he accomplished.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So why is demon busting so hard?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Because the demon buster and the demon possessed both have to get their minds worked up to play their respective roles. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;See, those of the demon busting type believe that Christians are not exempted from being demon possessed. Even those filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues could become demon possessed. No one is safe. Not even when God's Holy Spirit dwells within you. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;Ain't that a bitch!?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So then, just as self-hypnosis can cause someone to behave like they're possessed by the spirit of God, they need that same state of mind to play the role of a possessed person.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Or the "demonic" is simply playing along for grins and chuckles.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So, I believe the preacher and the possessed get worked up together. Because a preacher usually has a language of sorts that he speaks when he (or she) is casting out a demon. First, they tell you that you have one.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Then they start to speak against it and pray for you with the laying on of hands.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Then, they get all wound up. They probably won't quit if you don't exhibit some sort of show yourself.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Or, if you're wrapped up in that sort of thing already, you'll subconsciously play along. You &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; believe that you are really were possessed because the anointed of God just told you so. Such believe is no different from when I once believed that I actually spoke in tongues.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I think it's a damaging thing to tell someone who is clinically depressed that they have a demon. If the demon could only be cast out, they'd be happy again. Until they commit suicide. Why suffer that when an anti-depressant can possibly save someone's life and make life worth living again?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Telling someone that their cancer is a result of a demon can't be much for emotional morale. What if the demon is "cast out" but the cancer never leaves?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And I feel really bad for homosexuals who are caught up in Pentecostal movements. Homosexuals get picked on really badly. They are talked about openly and abrasively in many Pentecostal circles. Their lifestyle is always described as a "condition" at best. And often, homosexuality is a demon to be cast out. I don't see how a Pentecostal who is homosexual could ever be happy. Having a demon buster talk a homosexual into being unhappy for the rest of his or her life can't possibly be healthy.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I find it highly suspect that an omnipotent God must use us frail humans to struggle with the eradication of a demon.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Something just isn't right about that.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;On a side note, I visited &lt;a href="http://www.demonbuster.com/"&gt;Demon Buster.com&lt;/a&gt; in preparation of this post. They say that a midi file plays when you visit their site-- &lt;i&gt;Oh, The Blood of Jesus&lt;/i&gt;. I'm quite familiar with this song and I'm quite familiar with the emphasis demon busters place on the name and blood of Jesus.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The web site puts so much emphasis on the blood of Jesus that they claim that anyone who is annoyed by the midi file on their site probably has a demon in their home-- if not, then the demon is &lt;i&gt;in you&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But I didn't hear any midi file when I first visited the page.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So what does that mean? I guess I'm so demoniacally oppressed that the demons keep my ears from hearing the midi file play through my demonic laptop!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I guess I'm going to bust hell wide open, huh?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Or maybe you don't hear the midi file when you visit their site either.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Ah, but I went to my Windows desktop, the song finally played. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I guess Linux is the OS of the devil.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-9188218096496801715?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2010/08/demon-busters.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>15</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-9202606509763352285</guid><pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 04:14:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2010-08-14T23:20:28.993-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">NonStampCollector</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">bible</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">perfect mirror</category><title>Quiz Show</title><description>&lt;div&gt;A funny (at least, I thought) video, compliments of &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/NonStampCollector"&gt;NonStampCollector&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But, I gotta give a hat tip to &lt;a href="http://advocatusatheist.blogspot.com/"&gt;Tristan&lt;/a&gt; for having other videos that lead me to this one.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;object width="640" height="385"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/RB3g6mXLEKk?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/RB3g6mXLEKk?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-9202606509763352285?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2010/08/quiz-show.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>0</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-1901579184676860475</guid><pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2010 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2010-08-13T19:00:01.139-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">planets</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">education</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">jesusland</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">earth</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">astronomy</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">science</category><title>Planetarium</title><description>My local Jesusland planetarium sucks.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;People who don't wanna be told that Earth is four billion years old will not support a planetarium that tells you so.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;As a result, our local planetarium is shoddy, run down, and antiquated.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Many areas in Jesusland are poor. When money is scarce, my local government thinks four times over before spending money on science or education.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;That's why I live in one of the poorest, least educated provinces of Jesusland.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I have some family here. I enjoy my job a quite a bit. But this atmosphere bothers me sometimes. I may need to migrate from here one of these days.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;If I do ever move, maybe I'll base my relocation upon the quality of the city planetarium.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-1901579184676860475?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2010/08/planetarium.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>5</thr:total></item><item><guid isPermaLink="false">tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3547195737073832993.post-4728430491881142722</guid><pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate><atom:updated>2010-08-06T19:00:00.076-05:00</atom:updated><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">church and state</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">biology</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Indiana</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">first amendment</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">Lafayette</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">evolution</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">medication</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">medicine</category><category domain="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#">AIDS</category><title>Just Give Us the Facts</title><description>Around 2001, students from Jefferson High School in Lafayette, Indiana petitioned the school board by requesting that Special Creationism (Intelligent Design) lessons be taught along side evolution.&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;These students were not asking for evolution to be muted in their classrooms. They simply wanted Special Creationism to be taught along side evolution. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;These students articulated that they wanted to be given all of the facts and then be allowed to decide for themselves what was true. They felt that Special Creationism had merit and needed to be taught along side evolution so that they can make an informed decision.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;While this petition was student led, I'm confident (though not certain, of course) that an adult or two were behind this effort.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I suspect this because I started a bible study back in my high school years. Despite my religious enthusiasm in those days,  an adult prompted me to meet with my high school principal to gain permission to meet. He prepped me with legal information as leverage (which actually backed my principal into a corner when she first seemed hesitant to comply). Also, adults supported our meetings which furthered our drive as students. We didn't impose our meetings on others and did not meet during school hours. We could meet before or after, according to the law at the time (which I think is still valid, for those of you who insist that prayer has been taken out of school).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So, I'm confident these students had similar influences even thought they were probably just as passionate about this debate as the adults who possibly put them up to this petition.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;During the formal presentation of their petition to the school board, the students eloquently made their case. And many of the students who supported the petition donned black T-shirts with white type that read:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;Just give us the facts and then let us decide.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And on the back of their snazzy black T-shirts was printed the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Nice touch, I must say.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Students kept insisting to the school board that they deserved to have all the facts. Somehow, they seemed to "know" that Special Creationism was as valid as evolution and deserved to be taught in their biology classrooms. "Just give us all the facts and then leave us to decide", they reiterated. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Interesting . . .&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Honestly, I loved their T-shirts. I want one! But I don't think they really understood what they were asking. I think they only fashioned their words to &lt;i&gt;sound&lt;/i&gt; like they wanted all the scientific information that was available to them.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But what they really said was:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: center;"&gt;Just give us the facts and we'll decide which ones we like and don't like.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Because the fact is, Special Creationism is not a scientific theory.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Nope.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Special Creationism doesn't help us understand why a monster strain of Tuberculosis is on the rise. Nor does Special Creationism give us clues as to how we stop it.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Intelligent Design doesn't answer questions about why certain people are immune to the AIDS virus and how that may one day help us achieve a cure.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Special creation "theory" doesn't help HIV patients live longer by understanding that the virus evolves as it continually duplicates inside it's host-victim. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;For example: &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;As an HIV patient takes medication for a while, a variant of the AIDS virus becomes resistant to the medication as the other variants of the virus die off in the patient's system. As a result, a dominant strain overcomes the medication and causes the patient's condition to worsen. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;If planned carefully, medication can be paused for a period of time. During this time, the resistant variant starts to make varied strains of the virus again. But in doing so, the resistant HIV population becomes dwarfed by it's own diverse offspring of viruses which are once again susceptible to medication. This tactic has extended the survival and health of patients who are battling AIDS.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The insight for this treatment plan comes from acknowledging and studying evolution. Not from studying Special Creation or Intelligent Design.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Nope. Sorry.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Think of another example. What if you were studying fish in a pond? You needed to find out why the fish were contracting a fungus that was killing many of them. You soon discover that some of the fish are sexual in their reproduction and others are asexual (clones). &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;You learn from observation that the healthiest fish are offspring of sexual parents while the asexual fish become sick by the fungus most often. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Why?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;During your study, the pond dries up due to a drought. All the fish either die or migrate. But fortunately, the pond fills up with water again after the drought and the fish population returns.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Ugh! But you see the previous health trends reverse! Now the asexual are healthier than the sexual fish and the fungus seems to hit the sexual population extra hard.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Why?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Can Intelligent Design answer this question?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;No. But studying evolution can.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The genetic diversity in the asexual fish is always very low. So the fungus can run amok with the asexual fish because they have little diversity driving traits that resist infections.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But when the pond dried up, the fish population shrank so much that the sexual population of fish had to inbreed in order to survive! As a result, the sexual fish became more clone-like than the asexual fish; the diversity of their gene pool fell lower than their asexual counterparts!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;After understanding the problem, the solution can easily fixed the problem.  Find some genetically diverse fish that reproduce sexually and add them to the pond. The offspring of the sexual fish become resistant to the fungus just as before-- all thanks to studying evolution.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;If you must insist that Special Creationism is science, then the ways of creation must be studied through the theory of evolution.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Evolution is a fact. Of course we don't understand everything about it. And while we &lt;b&gt;don't&lt;/b&gt; know if we humans came from slime &lt;i&gt;billions &lt;/i&gt;of years ago, we &lt;b&gt;do&lt;/b&gt; know that we have common ancestors with other species of apes from &lt;i&gt;millions &lt;/i&gt;of years ago. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So when you say that you simply want the facts, be sure that you really mean that. That's what a good scientist strives for-- just the facts. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Even the uncomfortable ones.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;So those students in Lafayette, Indiana &lt;i&gt;were &lt;/i&gt;getting the facts. Some of the students simply didn't like what the facts started to imply concerning their literal interpretation of the bible. As a result, they decided that they wanted an alternative to the facts instead.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;As it turns out, the school board kindly and gently rejected their petition. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And most of the biology and chemistry teachers at Jefferson High School wiped sweat from their brows as they sighed a great sigh of relief.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3547195737073832993-4728430491881142722?l=2nonbelief.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description><link>http://2nonbelief.blogspot.com/2010/08/just-give-us-facts.html</link><author>noreply@blogger.com (Uruk)</author><thr:total>15</thr:total></item></channel></rss>

