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<title>The Life and Times of Randy "Stretch" Walker, Best Friend and Arch-enemy of Tupac</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p dir="ltr">Randy Walker was 6'8". He rapped under the name Stretch, fitting for a man of that stature. He grew up in Springfield Gardens, Queens, and spent the first half of the 1990s as one of the most connected figures in New York hip-hop without ever becoming a household name. By the end of 1995 he was dead at 27, killed on the one-year anniversary of the worst night of his best friend's life.</p>

<p dir="ltr">This is about what happened in between:</p>

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<h2 dir="ltr">Live Squad</h2>

<p dir="ltr">Stretch founded Live Squad in the late 1980s with his brother Christopher (aka Majesty) and DJ K-Low. They put out an <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj8BEWztLo0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">EP in 1988 called <em>BQ In Full Effect</em></a> and spent the next few years grinding their way into the fabric of Queens rap without a major label behind them. The music was hard and direct, with lyrics and content that made it clear this was a life they actually lived out on the streets, not a costume that the more stereotypical "studio gangsters" threw on when it was convenient to sell records.</p>

<p dir="ltr">Ed Lover helped them get in the door at Tommy Boy Records, and Live Squad signed. They had a following, a sound, and a work ethic. What they didn't have yet was the relationship that would define the rest of Stretch's life.</p>

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<h2 dir="ltr">Tupac</h2>

<p dir="ltr">In 1990, Stretch met Shock G from Digital Underground. Through Shock G, he met Tupac Shakur. The friendship was immediate. Tupac wasn't yet the figure he would become, he was a young MC from the Bay whose talent was already obvious but whose celebrity was still being figured out. Stretch saw it early and backed him.</p><div class="video-embed"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/ed72Le_qF-g" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture"></iframe></div><p></p>

<p dir="ltr">By 1992, Stretch was appearing alongside Tupac on Yo! MTV Raps. He was on Tupac's records, in his videos, contributed to <em>Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z.</em>, and joined Thug Life. He was in <em>Juice</em> and <em>Who's the Man?</em> They were, for about four years, inseparable in the way that only happens when you're young and someone shows up and bets on you before most people have decided who you are.</p>

<p dir="ltr">That period ended on November 30, 1994.</p>

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<h2 dir="ltr">Quad Studios</h2>

<p dir="ltr">That night, Tupac was shot five times in the lobby of Quad Recording Studios in Manhattan. Robbed of his jewelry. Shot in the groin, the hand, the head. He took the elevator upstairs bleeding and made it out of the building alive, which remains one of the more improbable facts of that entire era. Stretch was there. He was with Tupac when it happened.</p><div class="video-embed"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/n1YaADapqOM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture"></iframe></div><p></p>

<p dir="ltr">What exactly Stretch did or didn't do in those moments became the central question of the next year of both their lives. Tupac, recovering and then incarcerated, came to believe that Stretch had prior knowledge of the robbery - that he'd been warned and said nothing, or worse, that he played some role in setting it up. Dexter Isaac, who later claimed to be one of the shooters, said the job was arranged through Jimmy Henchman and that Stretch had been involved. Stretch denied all of it. None of it was ever established in a courtroom.</p>

<p dir="ltr">What was established: Tupac stopped trusting him. He pulled Stretch's verse from <em>So Many Tears (</em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr8cK_lhwPU" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">which you can still find on youtube</a>). He addressed him directly on <em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH4jyEtueSQ" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Holla At Me</a>,</em>&nbsp;the first verse is a point-by-point accusation from someone who still couldn't fully believe the person he was talking about had done what he believed they'd done. By the time Tupac got out of prison and signed to Death Row, Stretch was out of the picture entirely.</p>

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<h2 dir="ltr">The Last Night</h2>

<p dir="ltr">November 30, 1995. Exactly one year to the day after Quad Studios. Stretch left a recording session and drove into Queens. Nas would later say, on <em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydsu_edl1X8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">A Queens Story</a></em> from the 2012 album <em>Life Is Good</em>, that he had been in Stretch's van that night until Stretch dropped him off and kept going. That detail sits in the middle of a Nas verse and tells you everything about how close these people were and how randomly the night distributed who went home and who didn't.</p>

<p dir="ltr">Stretch was driving his green minivan through Queens Village when a car pulled alongside him and three men opened fire. Four shots hit him in the back. The van crashed into a tree, struck a parked car, and flipped. He was found dead just after 12:30 AM, at 112th Avenue and 209th Street. He was 27 years old.</p><p dir="ltr"></p><div class="video-embed"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/I7ScxNzS3-g" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture"></iframe></div><p></p>

<p dir="ltr">A police lieutenant noted that the shootings at Quad Studios and the shooting that killed Stretch were "one year and about five minutes apart." That detail has never been satisfactorily explained.</p>

<p dir="ltr">The session Stretch left that night was for <em>It Was Written</em>. The track was <em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmmnzusZZMU" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Take It in Blood</a></em>. He produced it, worked the session, left, and didn't make it home. The record came out the following year.</p>

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<h2 dir="ltr">Ronald Washington</h2>

<p dir="ltr">Nobody has ever been convicted of Stretch's murder. In 2007, federal prosecutors named Ronald Washington, aka Tenad, as a suspect. Washington was already in federal custody on robbery charges. He denied involvement.</p>

<p dir="ltr">What makes Washington's name matter is that he was also indicted in 2020, along with Karl Jordan Jr., for the 2002 murder of Jam Master Jay. Jay was shot and killed in his recording studio in Hollis, Queens, on October 30, 2002. Washington was convicted in February 2024. He has never been charged in Stretch's death, and the two cases have never been formally connected by prosecutors. But his name is in both of them, both killings happened in Queens, and both remain attached to the same small circle of people and grievances from that moment in New York.</p><p dir="ltr"></p><div class="video-embed"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/JWL7VlgVjY4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture"></iframe></div><p></p>

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<h2 dir="ltr">Outside Rap</h2>

<p dir="ltr">Stretch wasn't only a rapper. He appeared in <em>Juice</em> in 1992, <em>Who's the Man?</em> in 1993, and <em>Bullet</em> in 1996 - that last one released the year after his death. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaqKAGr8mcg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Live Squad shot a short film called <em>Game of Survival</em></a>. He had a son. He was 27 and moving in multiple directions at once, the way people do at that age when they have real ability and no reason yet to think the clock is running short.</p>

<p dir="ltr">His brother Majesty co-founded Grand Imperial Records after Stretch's death.</p>

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<p dir="ltr">Stretch was at the center of one of the most documented eras in hip-hop history and somehow stayed at the edge of the frame in almost every account of it. He was the guy who was there - for Tupac's rise, for the worst night of the decade, for a Nas session that ended and a drive home that didn't. He produced records that still sound like Queens. He was 6'8" and named himself accordingly. He was 27.</p><div class="video-embed"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/JaqKAGr8mcg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture"></iframe></div><p></p><br /><br /><a href="http://33jones.com/entry.asp/1537/the-life-and-times-of-randy-stretch-walker-best-friend-and-arch-enemy-of-tupac">Click here to read the comments and add your own feedback on this post.</a> ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2026 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Seven Minutes of Madness: How Coldcut Turned Rakim's Paid in Full Into a European Phenomenon</title>
<description><![CDATA[<div class="video-embed"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/vDBeSszh8Ok" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" data-ruffle-polyfilled=""></iframe></div><p></p><p dir="ltr">The original "Paid in Full" is a perfect record. Rakim's opening verse alone ("Thinkin' of a master plan / 'cause ain't nothin' but sweat inside my hand") is one of the most quoted openings in hip-hop history, and the Eric B. drum loop underneath it is as clean and locked-in as anything produced in 1987. It did not need to be touched. And then Coldcut touched it anyway, and what came out the other side was something that didn't just arguably improve the record it created a different kind of record entirely, one that hip-hop hadn't quite existed as before.</p>

<p dir="ltr">Matt Black and Jonathan More were London-based producers who in 1987 were DJing parties and making a name for themselves in a UK club scene that was paying close attention to what was coming out of New York. Fourth &amp; Broadway A&amp;R man Julian Palmer approached them about doing a remix. The catch was that Palmer couldn't get them the master tapes, the best he could do was vinyl copies of the original album. So Black and More started in a corridor in Black's flat with turntables and a four-track recorder, working the way DJs work, not the way studios work, and then moved to Island Records to finish it with engineer Raine Shine.</p>

<p dir="ltr">What they built in those sessions runs just over seven minutes, which is where the subtitle "Seven Minutes of Madness" came from. The original is about five and a half. The extra ninety seconds or so aren't padding, they're architecture. Coldcut layered samples over Eric B.'s loop that had no business being in the same room together and made them fit anyway. There's a pitched-down vocal from Israeli singer <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRnzTTYk7_Q" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Ofra Haza, a piece of her "Im Nin'alu,"</a> a 1984 Yemenite folk song, that Jonathan More had discovered when he lowered the pitch to match the drum sample from "Ashley's Roachclip." <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpekEeMDroM" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">There's a sample of Geoffrey Sumner, a British actor and radio announcer, reading from a 1958 Decca Records demo designed to show off the label's stereo technology: "This is a journey into sound."</a> There's a Humphrey Bogart clip from "The Big Sleep." There's James Brown. There's a fragment from Eric B. &amp; Rakim's own "I Know You Got Soul."&nbsp;</p>

<p dir="ltr">The production limitations forced creativity in the way that limitations usually do. They didn't have proper studio samplers, they were using a Bel delay unit repurposed as one and a Casio RZ-1 drum machine with barely enough memory to hold anything. Scratching was handled by DJ Cell from London hip-hop crew Bass Inc. because neither Coldcut member was a scratch DJ. And because sampled records come with their own reverb baked in, engineer Raine Shine had no clean way to process things, so the approach was to cut hard and add echo on the back end, which gave the remix a kind of deliberate roughness that sounds intentional even knowing the circumstances.</p>

<p dir="ltr">The reaction to the finished product split cleanly along the Eric B. / Rakim fault line. Eric B. called it "girly disco music." Rakim called it the best remix he had ever heard. The remix does things to the original that a purist would object to as it's busier, it's weirder, it's decidedly not hard in the way that New York in 1987 defined hard. But it's also doing something that the original wasn't attempting, and Rakim apparently understood that.</p>

<p dir="ltr">In Europe, "Seven Minutes of Madness" hit in a way the original never had. It went top fifteen in the UK, top five in the Netherlands, and charted in Germany. For a hip-hop record in 1987, that was not a thing that happened. The record crossed over into club contexts that New York hip-hop hadn't reached yet, partly because what Coldcut built had a European club sensibility built into it. The Ofra Haza sample alone was doing work that connected the record to something beyond NY. The remix is widely credited with opening the door for hip-hop in UK clubs and helping bring American rap into the European mainstream, which is a lot of weight for a seven-minute record made in a corridor on a four-track.</p>

<p dir="ltr">Ofra Haza found out about her vocal being used after the fact and was not happy about it. What happened next was almost accidental: "Im Nin'alu" got remixed and released as its own single off the back of the exposure from "Paid in Full," and Haza went from a cult figure in Israel to an international artist. She later said she was grateful for how it turned out, even if she would have preferred to have been asked first. Coldcut received £750 for the entire remix. Seven hundred and fifty pounds, for a record that restructured what a remix could be.</p>

<p dir="ltr">Geoffrey Sumner, the voice on "This is a journey into sound," died in 1989. He never knew that his 1958 Decca Records narration would end up in one of the most sampled records in hip-hop history, later appearing in tracks by Bomb the Bass, Public Enemy, and Anthrax, among others. He was a Devon-born actor who worked for British Pathé before moving into film and television.&nbsp;</p>

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<div class="video-embed"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/qaSOFInbsG0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture"></iframe></div><p></p><p dir="ltr"></p><p dir="ltr">The mix above is our Best of Rakim on the 33jones YouTube channel. The full catalog run, start to finish. Paid in Full is in there, obviously. Put it on.</p><br /><br /><a href="http://33jones.com/entry.asp/1536/seven-minutes-of-madness-how-coldcut-turned-rakims-paid-in-full-into-a-european-phenomenon">Click here to read the comments and add your own feedback on this post.</a> ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2026 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Is That You Pac? The Strange, Brief Career of Blac Haze</title>
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<p>Ted Outler had already lived three lifetimes worth of material before he put out his first record: Grew up in Liberty City, Miami. Lost both parents before he turned twenty. The stage name came from a childhood friend who died in 1989, he kept it as a kind of memorial. And then in 1998 he released a debut album that convinced a meaningful portion of the early pre-social media internet that Tupac Shakur had staged his own death and come back as a South Florida rapper. That's a lot for one biography.</p>
<p>The timing was almost too perfect. Tupac died in September 1996. January 1998, a rapper from Miami who sounded exactly like him - same vocal tone, same cadence, same delivery - performed his one and only live show. Eight months after that, the debut album <em>Res-Sa-Rec-Shun</em> hit stores on Warlock Records. The conspiracy forums didn't need much encouragement. "Ted Outler" sounded like "The Outlaw" if you squinted at it. The album title was right there. He didn't put his face on the cover, he did almost no press. The theory wrote itself, and the early internet was more than happy to run with the possibility.</p><div class="video-embed"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/XwCV5gKwO8c" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture"></iframe></div><p></p>
<p>He addressed it directly on "Miami Jams," a skit on the album, where he said plainly that he was not Tupac Shakur. This did not help, and if anything it made things worse. The conspiracists remain unconvinced to this day, because that's the nature of the thing, no statement he could make was going to settle it.</p>
<p>The music deserves more credit than it got. Reviews at the time called his best singles "Let Me Holla at Ya" and "Where-U-At?" genuinely good records. "Where-U-At?" got real airplay on Miami radio, including WEDR 99-JAMZ and Power 98, and was moving in clubs. He appeared on <em>Res-Sa-Rec-Shun</em> alongside Lord Tariq and Peter Gunz, which tells you the label was spending real money on this. The Tupac comparison got him attention and then made it impossible for anyone to actually listen to him on his own merits, which is about as brutal a double bind as the music business produces.</p>
<p>There was also a legal dispute with Live Shot Records, a label he had dealings with before the Warlock deal. The details are in court filings without getting any real press coverage that I could find, but it was contentious enough to need a judge.</p><p></p>
<p><em>So Much Drama</em> came out in 2002, then&nbsp;<em>Untitled</em> in 2004. Three albums across six years and then essentially nothing. No social media presence that surfaces under his name. No interviews after the early 2000s Miami press. The most active place his name still circulates is the Tupac conspiracy forums, which is probably not what he envisioned when "Where-U-At?" was getting spins on 99-JAMZ.</p>
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<p>But.... after a good 15 minutes of searching, I am somewhat confident Ted Outler has moved on and is now (or was at some point) working as a realtor in Florida. I'm not going to link to his profile and doxx him (err.. more than this article already has) but it does appear he's fully moved on to a new career.</p><br /><br /><a href="http://33jones.com/entry.asp/1535/is-that-you-pac-the-strange-brief-career-of-blac-haze">Click here to read the comments and add your own feedback on this post.</a> ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2026 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>The 33Jones Music Player Is Now on Google Play</title>
<description><![CDATA[<h1 dir="ltr"><img src="https://33jones.com/blogpics/33jonesmusicplayerlogo.png" alt="33Jones Music Player"></h1>

<p dir="ltr">A quick sidebar from the usual programming. The mp3 players I had been using on my phone started doing the thing where they hit you with obnoxious ads every time you try to skip a track, which is not a thing I'm willing to tolerate when I'm trying to listen to music I already own. So I built one.</p>

<p dir="ltr">The 33Jones Music Player is available now on the Google Play Store for Android. It's free, it has no ads, and it doesn't track anything you do. It's fully offline, your listening habits stay on your phone so no marketing company is going to judge you for your awesome/terrible/antiquated taste in music. If you still own your music rather than renting it from a streaming service, this is for you. I know that's a smaller group than it used to be, but the technophobes among us deserve a decent player without the shakedown.</p>

<p dir="ltr">Android only for now, download it on the Google Play store over here:</p>

<p dir="ltr"><a href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.thirtythreejones.mediaplayer&amp;hl=en_US" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">33Jones Music Player -- Google Play</a></p><br /><br /><a href="http://33jones.com/entry.asp/1534/the-33jones-music-player-is-now-on-google-play">Click here to read the comments and add your own feedback on this post.</a> ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2026 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Reptile Rampant - Undisputed Mic Champ (Canadian Rap, produced by Phill T Savage)</title>
<description><![CDATA[<div class="video-embed"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/TZ7KOP15VzQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" data-ruffle-polyfilled=""></iframe></div><p></p><p dir="ltr">One of the things the <a href="https://youtube.com/33jones" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">33Jones YouTube channel</a> has done has connect me to an audience that was never a part of the blog scene back in the day (or at least this specific corner of it). Phill T Savage, a Canadian producer, started showing up in the comments on some of the mixes over the summer and that led to finding out about Reptile Rampant, a fellow Canuck he had been producing for.</p>

<p dir="ltr">He put me up on the above, "Undisputed Mic Champ," a song that he produced a few years ago. I don't have a ton of info on it, youtube interactions are a little more fleeting than blog conversations so I gathered just enough info to know they're both from north of the border (the franglish might have given that away, as well) but that's about it. The beat is, for lack of a better word, sinister and is more than worth a listen. Put it on!</p><br /><br /><a href="http://33jones.com/entry.asp/1533/reptile-rampant-undisputed-mic-champ-canadian-rap-produced-by-phill-t-savage">Click here to read the comments and add your own feedback on this post.</a> ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2026 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Fat Joe Is From a Bronx That Most People Arguing About Him Have Never Seen</title>
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<p>Fat Joe went on The Joe Budden Podcast this week, was asked about whether he should be able to use the word that's currently tearing up the timeline, and said something that is now driving the conversation: "I am Black. Fat Joe is the Blackest n***a you ever seen in your life." He grounded it in his specific biography -- Forest Houses in the Bronx, Grandmaster Flash outside the window, his brother carrying crates of vinyl for Flash, Melle Mel playing basketball in the same yard where he grew up. Joe Budden, to his credit, said plainly: "Fat Joe is not Black." Marc Lamont Hill weighed in and said Fat Joe's decades in hip-hop and his longstanding ties to Black culture still do not give him a pass.</p>
<p>All of these are legitimate positions. The problem is that the conversation happening on social media around them is largely not legitimate, and the people having it are mostly people who have never been to the Bronx, let alone the Bronx in 1985.</p>
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<p>Fat Joe's real name is Joseph Antonio Cartagena. He was born to a Puerto Rican mother and a Cuban father in the South Bronx in 1970. Forest Houses, where he grew up, is a New York City Housing Authority project in Morrisania, one of the neighborhoods at the center of hip-hop's origin story. Grandmaster Flash was not a cultural reference for Joe, he was a neighbor. Melle Mel was not a hero he read about, he was a presence in the same physical spaces. This is not a claim about what Joe is entitled to say. It is a claim about what the word meant in that specific geography during that specific era, and whether the people currently adjudicating it from Twitter accounts with cartoon avatars have standing to settle it.</p>
<p>The South Bronx in the 1970s and 1980s was one of the most thoroughly integrated poor communities in America, not by choice but by circumstance. Black and Puerto Rican families were placed there by the same housing policies, trapped there by the same redlining, burned out of there by the same landlords collecting insurance on buildings they no longer wanted to maintain. The fires in the South Bronx between 1970 and 1980 displaced over 300,000 residents. The people who remained, and the people who built hip-hop out of that wreckage, were Black and Puerto Rican and navigating a shared environment in which the linguistic and cultural boundaries between those communities were genuinely porous. The word that is now being litigated on social media traveled across those porous borders in real time, in those specific buildings, and the people on both sides of it were not performing some kind of cultural appropriation, they were living in the same place, under the same conditions, and talking to each other the way people who share those conditions talk.</p>
<p>This is not an argument that Fat Joe should or shouldn't use the word, that's his decision and the people he's in conversation with. It is an argument that the people loudest in the current debate are overwhelmingly people for whom the 1980s Bronx is a documentary they might have watched once, and that their confidence about what was and wasn't permitted in a place they've never been is worth examining.</p>
<hr>
<div class="video-embed"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/0tylBfu2rc4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" data-ruffle-polyfilled=""></iframe></div><p></p><p>The Jennifer Lopez moment from 2001 is worth revisiting here because it's the clearest earlier instance of this specific debate surfacing at scale. In the "I'm Real" Murder Remix with Ja Rule, Lopez, who is Puerto Rican from the Castle Hill section of the Bronx, used the word in her verse and was immediately blasted by radio listeners and press. Ja Rule defended her, saying he had no problem with it given her background and her relationship to the culture. The controversy passed but it surfaces now as historical evidence in the current debate without the context that Lopez is not some distant pop star parachuting into Black culture, she is from the Bronx, from the same general ecosystem that produced Fat Joe, and her use of the word was embedded in a hip-hop track in collaboration with a Black artist who had cleared it with her in advance.</p>
<p>None of this settles the broader question. It complicates the narrative that there is a clear line that has always existed and is only now being transgressed.</p>
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<p>There is a pattern that has been visible for roughly a decade in which hip-hop becomes a site for driving wedges between Black and Latino communities rather than acknowledging their shared history. The "first African Americans" social media content - accounts that push a hyper-specific definition of Black identity that is used primarily to exclude rather than affirm - has proliferated significantly since 2016. The push to retroactively argue that Latinos had no founding role in hip-hop, despite the documented presence of Puerto Rican DJs, B-boys, and artists from the culture's literal first days, surfaces periodically in coordinated waves. The Fat Joe "Foundational Black Americans" controversy in December 2024, in which he called certain FBA proponents "broke Black racists" after being attacked for his history of using the word, is a related data point not because Joe was right to say what he said, but because the attack itself was structured around a definition of Blackness designed specifically to exclude Afro-Latinos and other mixed-heritage communities from the culture they helped build.</p>
<p>The Kanye West example is instructive in a different way. During his most destructive public periods that included the anti-Semitic comments, the White Lives Matter shirt, and other lowlights Fox News and certain right-wing platforms gave him sustained, favorable coverage. The pattern was not subtle: a Black artist saying things damaging to Black communities and to interracial solidarity was amplified and platformed by media entities whose interests were served by that damage. Hip-hop, which began as a Black and Latino working-class cultural form and which has spent fifty years building a specific kind of cross-community solidarity, is a natural target for anyone interested in disrupting that solidarity. Case in point:</p><div class="video-embed"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/Vjqu_tjSKTY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" data-ruffle-polyfilled=""></iframe></div><p></p>
<p>The people driving the current Fat Joe conversation on social media are not a monolith. Many of them are Black Americans with legitimate grievances about the word's use and its history of being weaponized against them. But the algorithmic amplification of that grievance specifically in the context of Black-Latino conflict rather than in the context of, say, white country music artists who have used the word without consequence is worth noticing. The conversation is being had in a particular direction, and the direction is not random.</p>
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<p>The demographic picture matters here too. The research is reasonably clear that Black and Latino residential integration in American cities has declined since the 1990s. A 2021 study in <em>Socius</em> using census data from 1990 to 2020 found that while overall multigroup segregation declined, the segregation between Hispanics and Blacks held relatively steady and, in many markets, increased. The South Bronx that Fat Joe grew up in, where Black and Puerto Rican families were genuinely intertwined because they were in the same buildings, is not the America that most people having this conversation grew up in. Black and Latino communities in 2026 are, in many parts of the country, considerably more geographically and socially separated than they were in 1985. People who grew up in that more separated reality are adjudicating a dispute that comes from a different and more integrated one, and they are doing it with the confidence of people who believe their experience is the universal one.</p>
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<p>Fat Joe is not going to stop using the word. He has explained his position multiple times across multiple years and his position is consistent: this is the language of his community, of his formation, of the specific place and time that made him. Whether that explanation is sufficient is not a question that has a single correct answer. Marc Lamont Hill's position, that decades of cultural immersion do not automatically confer permission, is also coherent and held in good faith by people who have thought seriously about it.</p>
<p>What is not coherent is the confidence of people with no connection to the South Bronx in 1980 that they know exactly where the lines were and are, and that Fat Joe is definitively on the wrong side of them. You had to be there, and most of the people talking about this weren't.</p><br /><br /><a href="http://33jones.com/entry.asp/1532/fat-joe-is-from-a-bronx-that-most-people-arguing-about-him-have-never-seen">Click here to read the comments and add your own feedback on this post.</a> ]]></description>
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<title>Oh You Mad: Tracking Down the Stars of Two Viral Rap Battles From the 2000s</title>
<description><![CDATA[<h1><span style="font-size: 15px;">The rise of the internet broke rap battles.</span></h1><p>Not in the way it broke other things, not by replacing them or making them irrelevant, but by taking something that had always been local and private and witnessed only by whoever happened to be in the room, and making it permanent and global and witnessed by everyone, forever. The two videos below are among the earliest documents of that shift, where neither battle was supposed to leave the room it was in (or at least not the public access network it was being broadcast to) but both of them did and became notorious. I spent a bit of time, more time than perhaps was warranted for a man with a family and some level of employment, trying to track down updates on the people involved.</p>
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<p><strong>Nyckz vs. EnJ - Long Island, circa 2006</strong></p><div class="video-embed"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/rXi9JONVsxQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture"></iframe></div><p></p>
<p>Before battle rap had leagues and pay-per-view events and structured rounds and judges, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbCKfIdAnUY" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">before Eminem was producing movies about battle raps (and I'm not talking about 8 Mile)</a>, there was a public access television show on Long Island, a camera, two rappers, and one line that the internet could not stop repeating.</p>
<p>"Oh, you mad 'cause I'm styling on you?"</p>
<p>The man who said it was Nyckz, from Hempstead, Long Island. The man he said it to was EnJ. EnJ's response was not a rebuttal, it was a literal punch to the face. The battle ended immediately. The video, which had been sitting on a Real Talk DVD compilation for about a year before someone uploaded it to YouTube, became one of the first genuinely viral moments the platform ever produced. YouTube had been around for maybe two years and the infrastructure for things going viral did not fully exist yet. Nyckz and EnJ helped build it.</p>
<p>The story behind the clip is straightforward. They were doing battles for a Long Island public access TV show. The fight happened, EnJ punched Nyckz and left, it stopped there. About a year later somebody put the clip online and it spread. By the time Nyckz woke up to the attention he had no idea was coming, the line had already detached itself from the context and become its own thing.</p>
<p>On the substance of the battle, the verdict is not complicated. Nyckz was winning, and EnJ punched him because he was losing and then (in my opinion) it was retconned into being a self-defense strategy to proactively prevent Nyckz from pulling out his gun. If EnJ had come back with something better, the video would have just been a battle. Instead it became a document of a man so mad about being styled on that he resorted to the only response he had left.</p>
<p>Nyckz tried to convert the moment into something. He did the XXL interview, he made a diss video aimed at Ja Rule after <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3JV8_WlP8M" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Ja released a track called "Style on Em"</a>. Sadly for both Nyckz and Ja, the diss did not land. Nyckz's Instagram handle today is <a href="https://www.instagram.com/imstylinonyou/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">@imstylinonyou</a> and his bio identifies him as the "first viral rapper," which is a fair claim and also a little heartbreaking depending on how you look at it. But he has four thousand followers which is about 3999 more followers than I have on IG, so who am I to judge.</p><div class="video-embed"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/8anfzgvUplo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture"></iframe></div><p></p>
<p>EnJ never got a significant platform to respond, beyond <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4DNNttWrb8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a quick clip of him being interviewed in a pool hall that cuts off before he fully gets to answer any questions</a>. He exists in the historical record as the guy who swung, which is its own kind of legacy: Every list of rap battle fights published between 2008 and 2015 has that clip in it. EnJ is in all of them, his fist connecting with Nyckz's face, forever. I couldn't find any trace of him on social media.</p>
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<div class="video-embed"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/y1-3r2eRILY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture"></iframe></div><p></p><p><strong>Eli Porter vs. Envy - Chamblee, Georgia, 2003</strong></p>
<p>The other one is different in almost every way except the outcome. Where the Nyckz video is about one line landing so perfectly that it provoked a physical response, the Eli Porter video is about something more complicated and harder to describe cleanly. It became one of the most watched and most referenced rap battle videos in early internet history for entirely different reasons.</p>
<p>Iron Mic was a freestyle rap program produced by students at Chamblee High School in Georgia. In 2003, Eli Porter aka E-Dolla stepped up to battle a rapper called Envy. Eli's verse featured long pauses (in part due to dropping N-bombs against the rules), an expression of permanent surprise, a masterful line about Rosie O'Donnell at a bisexual bridal shower, and the centerpiece: "I'm the best mayne, I did it," delivered with a confidence so complete that it seemed to exist entirely outside of any relationship to the actual performance. Envy won in a 2-1 decision.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC0U9xkbM24" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Porter got the Tosh.0 treatment on September 20, 2011,</a> appearing in a Web Redemption segment where he explained how it felt to discover the video had gone viral without his knowledge or permission, performed his verse again in a duet with singer-songwriter Skylar Grey, and announced that an album called <em>Intelligently Retarded</em> was forthcoming. The album actually came out, selling for ten dollars on his now defunct website.</p>
<p>Envy, who won the battle and was the technically but not charismatically superior rapper on the day, has no public footprint that I was able to find.&nbsp;</p>
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<p>The thing that connects these two videos is what they say about what the internet was about to do to live performance. Both battles were filmed for small local audiences and were never intended to exist outside of the specific rooms they happened in. The Nyckz battle was for a Long Island public access show. The Eli Porter battle was for a high school student program in Georgia. In both cases the camera was there because someone thought it would be useful for the immediate audience and not because anyone imagined the footage would travel.</p>
<p>What came after - the leagues, the production values, the pay-per-view events, the structured rounds and professional judges - was in part a response to what these videos revealed: that people would watch rap battles on the internet in enormous numbers, and that the footage had a life far beyond the rooms it was made in. Nyckz and EnJ and Eli Porter and Envy were four people who stumbled into that discovery without knowing it existed.&nbsp;</p>
<p>The catchphrase outlived all of them. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHgOvf7710k" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Birdman released a song called "Y.U. Mad"</a> with Nicki Minaj and Lil Wayne in 2011. The phrase shows up in comment sections to this day. "I'm the best mayne" gets used whenever someone needs to convey delusional self-confidence. Neither line was engineered for longevity, they just hit the internet at the exact moment when the infrastructure to spread them globally was coming online, which is either extraordinary timing or the cruelest possible version of almost.</p><br /><br /><a href="http://33jones.com/entry.asp/1531/oh-you-mad-tracking-down-the-stars-of-two-viral-rap-battles-from-the-2000s">Click here to read the comments and add your own feedback on this post.</a> ]]></description>
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<title>Keefe D Found Guilty of Murdering 2Pac</title>
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<p>Duane "Keefe D" Davis was convicted today of first-degree murder in the 1996 killing of Tupac Shakur. The jury deliberated for less than three hours to come back with that verdict, and Keefe D now faces life in prison. Thirty years after one of the most discussed murders in the history of popular music, we've come to some bit of closure.</p>
<p>Before we get into the trial it's worth going back to the USA Network show that put most of this in front of a general audience in 2018. <em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hre6XgbP85E" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Unsolved: The Murders of Tupac and the Notorious B.I.G.</a></em> was a ten-episode limited series starring Josh Duhamel and Jimmi Simpson, and Keefe D was a character in it presented doing essentially what prosecutors argued in court eight years later: shot caller in the white Cadillac, his nephew Orlando "Baby Lane" Anderson as the triggerman, the whole thing triggered by the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmq_BXoUB3c" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">brawl between Tupac's entourage and Anderson at the MGM Grand</a> after the Mike Tyson fight earlier that night. On the Tupac side the show got the broad strokes right. Where it operated in softer territory was the Puffy angle, which it presented as more established fact than the courts have ever been willing to treat it. Davis told police in 2008 that Combs had offered money for the murders of both Tupac and Suge Knight. That claim surfaced in pretrial documents and named Combs roughly seventy-seven times. Law enforcement moved quickly to clarify that Combs was never a suspect. The jury convicted Davis without needing to resolve that question.</p>
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<p>The case took this long because Davis talked too much and the wrong people were protecting the wrong things for too long. Davis had a proffer agreement with federal investigators, giving them information about the murder in exchange for immunity. That covered his 2008 LAPD interview. For years he was a cooperative witness rather than a defendant. The investigation into Tupac's murder was also a secondary concern to the investigation into Biggie's killing, which was consuming resources and attention because of credible allegations that LAPD officers were involved, specifically David Mack and his associate Wardell "Poochie" Fouse. Detective Russell Poole spent years trying to follow that evidence through a department that was actively trying to suppress it. He died of a heart attack in 2019 during an interview with San Bernardino County Sheriff's investigators about the Tupac case.</p>
<p>What eventually broke the case was Davis doing what breaks most cold cases: he couldn't stop talking in interviews, documentaries, and a 2019 memoir called <em>Compton Street Legend</em> that described his role in the shooting in enough detail to void his immunity agreement. The deal covered talking to investigators. It did not cover writing a book about it for public sale. Las Vegas police raided his home in July 2023 and found the book, photographs, and documents. He was arrested two months later. In court Davis tried to distance himself from the memoir entirely, saying "I just gave him details of my life. I've never read the book," a defense that collapsed when prosecutors played a jailhouse call recorded shortly after his arrest in which a woman asked him about the book and Davis responded: "Oh yeah, I did." The jury heard that. They deliberated for less than three hours.</p>
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<p>The trial brought the Diddy allegations back into the open in a way that's going to be difficult to walk back. Retired LAPD detective Daryn Dupree testified that Davis told investigators in 2008 that Combs had given money to an intermediary named Zip Martin, who was supposed to pass it to Davis as payment for killing both Tupac and Suge. The amount previously reported was one million dollars. "Sean 'Puffy' Combs was supposed to had given money to Zip Martin to give to Mr. Davis for payment of the Tupac murder," Dupree said from the stand. Investigators reportedly traveled with Davis to New York for an undercover operation trying to connect him back to Martin. Law enforcement's position is that this is Davis's claim, not corroborated evidence. Combs is currently in federal custody on sex trafficking and racketeering charges unrelated to Las Vegas in 1996. Tupac's family retained attorneys Alex Spiro and Christopher Clore before the trial to investigate the Combs allegations independently but the trial didn't resolve any of that.</p>
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<p>The show presented both murders in the same frame because they are genuinely connected. But the investigations are legally separate and the Biggie case remains unsolved. The Keefe D trial produced no new direct evidence connecting anyone to the March 1997 shooting in Los Angeles. Russell Poole spent years arguing that David Mack had orchestrated it as retaliation for Tupac. The Mack theory never produced a charge. The Wallace family's civil suit against the City of Los Angeles was settled in 2024 without an admission of liability, which is the kind of language that closes a lawsuit without closing a case.</p>
<p>What the conviction does is create pressure. A Nevada jury just demonstrated it will convict someone of orchestrating a murder based primarily on their own recorded statements. If Davis's account of Combs's alleged role were ever treated as a thread worth pulling rather than something to be managed, it raises real questions about what a committed investigation of Biggie's murder might find. Whether that happens is a different question. The LAPD's institutional interest in fully reopening the Biggie case is complicated by the fact that their own conduct is part of what the investigation would examine.</p>
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<title>Is UUuTANG MASKMAN an AI Industry Plant?</title>
<description><![CDATA[<h1><div class="video-embed"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/HN2WzIX3HYw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" data-ruffle-polyfilled=""></iframe></div><p></p></h1><p dir="ltr">There's a masked rapper going by UUuTANG MASKMAN who has been flooding Bandcamp, SoundCloud, and YouTube with Wu-Tang-coded music since 2024, and the internet has questions. Something about his arrival on the scene has felt a bit off to me. Is he actually connected to the Wu-Tang Clan? Are his visuals AI-generated? Is there a real human being under that mask at all? I genuinely like many of the songs he's put out so I spent a couple of days researching and I'm still not fully confident in his true identity or motives, but here's what's documented and what isn't:</p><hr><p dir="ltr">UUuTANG MASKMAN is not a member of the Wu-Tang Clan. He's not signed to Wu-Tang Records, and there's no indication RZA or the group's business apparatus has anything to do with him. What he does have is geography and aesthetic on his side. His bio places him in Staten Island, the borough the Clan built its entire mythology around, and he leans hard into that lineage. Song and project titles reference the 36 Chambers. The production chases that same dusty, RZA-descended boom bap sound and often uses the same samples from the original records. His 2026 release <em>Santi Disciple of the 36th Chamber</em> is a 23-track dedication project built entirely around that cosmology, with guest features spanning old Killarmy affiliates to newer names like Kinetic 9.&nbsp;</p><p dir="ltr">The closer relation is Cappadonna, as UUuTANG MASKMAN's SoundCloud bio announces an upcoming project with him. Whether the collaboration actually surfaces is a separate question, and as of now it's a promise on a bio page rather than a released record.&nbsp;</p><hr><p dir="ltr">His recent videos are clearly AI-generated - the fingerprints of generative AI are all over them, and he puts promo codes for AI platform&nbsp;<a href="https://www.dehancer.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Dehancer</a>&nbsp;in his videos&nbsp;- but that alone doesn't disprove his humanity.</p><p dir="ltr">Before the mask, this artist was already a known quantity under the name Kastro Zaytana which is the same name attached to his current Bandcamp handle and YouTube channel. <a href="https://www.validatedmagazine.com/music-1/2020/10/1/the-night-rapper-kastro-zaytana" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Validated Magazine ran a full interview with him in 2020</a>, photograph included, in which he laid out a specific biography: growing up in Staten Island, cycling through juvenile facilities in Bedford-Stuyvesant, nine years in prison, a conversion to Islam, a family rap group called Record Devils formed with his father and brother. His YouTube channel has videos going back to 2020 and 2022 with traditional shot-by credits listing real collaborators. None of that reads like a synthetic identity, it reads like a working underground artist with a paper trail that predates the masked persona by years.</p><div class="video-embed"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/a32Ei4I4Qx8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" data-ruffle-polyfilled=""></iframe></div><p></p><p dir="ltr">And yet.... the photo in that Validated Magazine interview doesn't actually show his face. The photo is certainly not AI-generated, but it could be anyone under that mask. And a mask, by nature of it obscuring his face, makes it a convenient format for AI video experimentation since there's less of a real face for the software to have to get right. Furthermore, go listen to that video directly above this paragraph, the song he put out before reinventing himself as UUuTANG MASKMAN. His voice and delivery are entirely different. Is it that big of a leap to think that the vocals (at least on the more recent songs) are AI-generated as well?</p><hr><p dir="ltr">What's even more interesting about UUuTANG and his connection, however tenuous, to the Wu is that Wu-Tang itself has been pretty advanced in their own AI usage.</p><div class="video-embed"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/ZBTb_xJBh5c" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" data-ruffle-polyfilled=""></iframe></div><p></p><p dir="ltr">Wu-Tang's video for "Mandingo," directed by Jason Zada, was made entirely using Google DeepMind's Veo 2 text-to-video generator. It dropped to significant backlash but the fact stands: a group in its farewell-tour era put out an official video built entirely by AI, not an underground unknown doing it on the sly.</p><p dir="ltr">Then there's <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/wutang/comments/1vv0pwd/raekwon_at_palantir/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Raekwon and Palantir</a>, which is a stranger and longer-running relationship than most fans realize. Raekwon first visited Palantir's headquarters in 2010 and told people to look the company up. In August 2026, during the Clan's farewell tour, he went back. Palantir posted photos of the visit with CEO Alex Karp on its own account. Palantir has since become one of the more prominent and controversial names in AI and defense technology, and the optics of that friendship drew criticism given the company's government and surveillance contracts. I could spend pages on breaking down the evil that is Palantir, but the relevant point here is that a founding Wu-Tang member has had a documented, decade-plus relationship with one of the biggest AI companies on earth and against that backdrop an unaffiliated Staten Island MC building his brand around AI-assisted visuals doesn't look like an outlier. Rather, it looks like the surrounding culture the Clan itself has been building toward for years.</p><hr><p>





















</p><p dir="ltr">So what exactly can we conclude about UUuTANG MASKMAN at this point? Best case, he's an independent artist making the most of a limited budget by leveraging all of the AI tools available to him to promote his music. Worst case, he's&nbsp;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl5_Lc6b3AU" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">another Fenix Flexin</a>&nbsp;duping fans and serving as a depressing harbinger of the future of music and possibly even an "industry plant" (but plot twist, the industry that planted him in this case might be the AI industry!). Fingers crossed it's the former scenario, AI has already reduced my career to babysitting LLMs, I would prefer it not also do the same to another large part of my life.</p><ul>
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<title>The Bitch in Yoo: How Common and Ice Cube's Beef Became One of the Great Diss Records in Hip Hop</title>
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<p dir="ltr" data-sourcepos="5:1-5:69;219-287">The story starts, of all places, with Common doing Ice Cube a favor.</p>

<p dir="ltr" data-sourcepos="7:1-7:647;289-935">Cube's first major show outside of Los Angeles was at the Regal Theater in Chicago. The crew showed up and realized they'd left one of the records they were performing to, back in LA. They needed to go buy it. Ice Cube, in a city he didn't know, was bailed out by a young Chicago rapper who happened to be opening the show and knew exactly where the record store was. That rapper was Common. "We didn't really know who he was," Cube later recalled, "and that's just one of those footnotes." It is one of the more poetic footnotes in hip-hop history, because within a few years those two men would be aiming very specifically at each other on wax.</p>

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<p dir="ltr" data-sourcepos="11:1-11:29;942-970"><strong>The Song That Started It</strong></p>

<p dir="ltr" data-sourcepos="13:1-13:566;972-1537">In 1994, Common (aka Common Sense at the time) released "I Used to Love H.E.R." on <em>Resurrection</em>, a narrative track that personified hip-hop as a woman and lamented the culture's commercial drift. The song is a masterpiece of extended metaphor and one of the best tracks on one of the best rap albums of the decade. It is also, depending on how you read it, an extended critique of West Coast gangsta rap's influence on the direction of the genre. Ice Cube heard it that way, as did Mack 10 and WC, Cube's Westside Connection partners. They were not pleased.</p><div class="video-embed"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/TrUERC2Zk64" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" data-ruffle-polyfilled=""></iframe></div><p></p>

<p dir="ltr" data-sourcepos="15:1-15:329;1539-1867">Cube and Westside Connection fired back on "<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygoWp6V7QQ4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Westside Slaughterhouse</a>," a track on Mack 10's 1995 debut album, taking direct shots at Common. Common reportedly heard the diss and initially let it go. Then he saw Ice Cube, Mack 10, and WC on BET dissing him directly to camera. At that point, letting it go was no longer an option.</p>

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<p dir="ltr" data-sourcepos="19:1-19:26;1874-1899"><strong>The Call to Pete Rock</strong></p>

<p dir="ltr" data-sourcepos="21:1-21:355;1901-2255">Common called Pete Rock. At the time Pete Rock was already one of the most respected producers in hip-hop, fresh off <em>Mecca and the Soul Brother</em> and "They Reminisce Over You," and he and Common had developed a working relationship. Common explained the situation and what he was feeling. Pete Rock's response was direct: "If you need my help, I'm here."</p>

<p dir="ltr" data-sourcepos="23:1-23:400;2257-2656">Pete made the beat at a friend's house using records he'd left over there, crate material he'd given the friend to practice with, essentially assembled from whatever happened to be available. "I couldn't believe that he would like it," Pete Rock later said of Common's reaction. Common liked it. He wrote over it and "The Bitch in Yoo" became one of the most devastating diss records of the decade.</p>

<p dir="ltr" data-sourcepos="25:1-25:667;2658-3324">The song was released in September 1996 on the Relativity Records compilation <em>Relativity Urban Assault</em>, then as a standalone 12-inch. Common did not ease into it. He attacked Ice Cube for commercializing his image, for the hypocrisy of claiming street credibility while making movies and selling products, for the contradiction between Cube's early political work with NWA and his mid-90s persona. He went after Mack 10 and WC alongside him. The record was pointed, specific, and lyrically sharp in a way that didn't sound like someone trying to win a battle, it sounded like someone who was genuinely angry and happened to be one of the best writers in the game.</p><div class="video-embed"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/cBVqGYPe1Qs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" data-ruffle-polyfilled=""></iframe></div><p></p>

<p dir="ltr" data-sourcepos="27:1-27:390;3326-3715">Pete Rock was a little worried about what he'd helped create. When he later ran into Ice Cube, he braced himself. Ice Cube, it turned out, understood that it was a music thing. He was upset, but he was also an MC who had built his entire reputation on exactly this kind of combat. He knew what a real diss record looked like.</p>

<p dir="ltr" data-sourcepos="29:1-29:348;3717-4064">Cube did respond on Westside Connection's "<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-cJ771q6sE" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Hoo-Bangin' (WSCG Style</a>),"&nbsp;but the consensus of virtually everyone invested in the beef was that it Common was the clear winner.</p>

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<p dir="ltr" data-sourcepos="33:1-33:24;4071-4094"><strong>How It Got Squashed</strong></p>

<p dir="ltr" data-sourcepos="35:1-35:488;4096-4583">By 1997 the climate had changed. Tupac had been shot and killed in September 1996. Biggie was killed in March 1997. The lyrical war between the coasts had taken on an atmosphere that nobody who had started it had intended, and people who had been treating beef as a competitive sport were suddenly watching their peers get buried. The idea of a Chicago rapper and a Los Angeles rapper escalating a diss track exchange in that environment was something that nobody wanted to see play out.</p>

<p dir="ltr" data-sourcepos="37:1-37:479;4585-5063">Minister Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam organized a peace summit on April 3, 1997, less than thirty days after Biggie's death, bringing together several feuding rappers. Common and Ice Cube were both there. Both had connections to the Minister through their respective camps. "Common's camp called it, Cube's camp called it," as one account describes it. "That was the grounds that they could lean on to have an intermediary." The two men met, talked, and squashed it.</p>

<p dir="ltr" data-sourcepos="39:1-39:608;5065-5672">Common later acknowledged on his song "<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrUERC2Zk64" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Hungry</a>" that the beef was resolved with the line "verbal vegetarian, squashed beef with Ice Cube," one of the more elegant ways anyone has ever documented the end of a rap feud in an actual rap song. They went on to appear together in the <em>Barbershop</em> films. They are, by all available evidence, genuinely cool with each other. Common admitted in a 2024 podcast appearance that he had feared the situation might get ugly and that the involvement of the Minister prevented something that neither of them wanted.</p>

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<p dir="ltr" data-sourcepos="43:1-43:38;5679-5716">When I was making that Best of Common Sense mix linked above, it set off all sorts of red flags for Youtube's copyright checks. Virtually all of Common's catalog is licensed for use in mixes like this (if you go through the proper youtube channels at least), but "The Bitch in Yoo" is very specifically forbidden and I think that is more due to sample clearance than any concerns Com may have about resurfacing this decades-old beef: the song contains five separate sampled elements that each require independent clearance. Pete Rock's beat is built over a sample of "Light My Fire" by Julie Driscoll and Brian Auger and the Trinity. The track also samples music from the 1974 film <em>The Education of Sonny Carson</em>, lifts a portion of "Eye for an Eye (Your Beef Is Mines)" by Mobb Deep featuring Nas and Raekwon, interpolates N.W.A's "A Bitch Iz a Bitch," and samples Common's own "I Used to Love H.E.R." Five separate rights holders, each of whom has to agree on terms before the song can be legally distributed.</p>

<p dir="ltr" data-sourcepos="47:1-47:563;6400-6962">The N.W.A sample alone is complicated territory, as Ruthless Records catalog clearances have historically been difficult and expensive, with multiple parties involved in any licensing decision. The film music from <em>The Education of Sonny Carson</em> adds another layer of complexity since film soundtrack rights and recording rights are separate.</p>

<p dir="ltr" data-sourcepos="49:1-49:468;6964-7431">You can find the live version from De La Soul's <em>Live at Tramps, NYC, 1996</em> on streaming, and a few compiled versions that have surfaced on Common's catalog releases. The original 1996 Relativity 12-inch version seems to be one of those documents you have to seek out the old-fashioned way.&nbsp;<br /><br />There is one other version out there, a Havoc-produced remix that came out shortly after the original:</p><div class="video-embed"><iframe src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/WYqqrl-Co70" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" data-ruffle-polyfilled=""></iframe></div><p></p><br /><br /><a href="http://33jones.com/entry.asp/1528/the-bitch-in-yoo-how-common-and-ice-cubes-beef-became-one-of-the-great-diss-records-in-hip-hop">Click here to read the comments and add your own feedback on this post.</a> ]]></description>
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