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Fortres Grand Corporation v. Warner Bros. Entertainment
Inc., No. 3:12-cv-00535 (N.D. Ind. May 16, 2013)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;


&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
McCarthy has said that there’s “surprisingly little” case
law on whether a fictional company or product using the same name/brand as a
real one constitutes trademark infringement.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;If this is surprising, as the court here agreed, it’s only because we’ve
started expecting overreach as a baseline.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;This case adds to the small but obviously correct body of case law
rejecting such claims (and, I hope, putting defendants in a position to ask for
an award of fees next time).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Fortres Grand makes a real software program, Clean
Slate.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Clean Slate erases evidence of
user activity on a particular computer, and it’s a registered mark for
“computer software used to protect public access computers by scouring the
computer drive back to its original configuration upon reboot.” &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
&lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;The Dark Knight Rises&lt;/i&gt;
included a handful of references to a fictional software program called “clean
slate,” which Selina Kyle wanted to erase her criminal history from every
computer database in the world. &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;(Yet
another example of ridiculous tech premises; see also Carrion on &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Revenge&lt;/i&gt;, the Machine on &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Person of Interest&lt;/i&gt;, “&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxq9yj2pVWk"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Let’s Enhance&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;,” and &lt;a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PhoneTraceRace"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Phone Trace
Race&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (warning: this last link goes to TVTropes; I am not responsible for
the time you waste if you follow it).)&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Also, WB created two relevant websites, rykindata.com and
rykindata.tumblr.com, to promote the film. (Ed. note: Eric Goldman says keyword
ad cases make no business sense; this tumblr has 5 entries, and the top
one—featuring Selina Kyle—has only 94 reblogs/likes, whereas the others have
11, 4 (one of which is me), and none. Perhaps this also wasn’t worth suing
over?) &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;As the court explained, the sites
served to extend the movie experience:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in;"&gt;
[R]ather than just creating a
straightforward promotional website where consumers can get information about
the film (like, in this instance, www.thedarkknightrises.com), additional
websites are created that market the film in a more subtle or creative way. In
this instance, the websites are essentially a creative outgrowth of the
fictional world of the film. They look like what a (fictional) citizen of
Gotham might find if they were looking for information on the (fictional) Rykin
Data company. They include images of fictional police reports related to the
fictional character Selina Kyle, a fictional police file labeled “Cat Burglar
Investigation,” a fictitious software patent, and an endorsement from a
fictional Gotham City Better Business Bureau (BBB). [Hilariously/sadly, this
last seems to have been removed, perhaps when counsel got a better look at the
tumblr because of this suit.]&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;
&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RZj6K0B6RD8/UZo8qskolaI/AAAAAAAABQ0/9J3zkb0DOWA/s1600/clean+slate+patent.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="216" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RZj6K0B6RD8/UZo8qskolaI/AAAAAAAABQ0/9J3zkb0DOWA/s320/clean+slate+patent.png" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in;"&gt;
These websites also use the term
“clean slate” to describe the software referenced in the film. … One of the
pages on the website is titled “&lt;a href="http://rykindata.tumblr.com/cleanslate"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;PROGRAM:
‘CLEAN SLATE’&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;” and explains that “‘Clean Slate’ is the informal name for
Rykin Data’s primary service, in which the corporation will amass personal
histories (specifically off the Internet) and destroy it permanently.” Both
websites also contain a &lt;a href="http://rykindata.tumblr.com/image/25593826380"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;fictitious
patent&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; for the software, the abstract of which states that the invention
has the effect of “granting the subject a clean slate within the digital
world.” The Tumblr site also contains this statement: “Rykin Data: Providing
Fresh Starts since 2004. . . . Clean slates are possible. . . . Have a fresh,
clean start.” &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The court considered these materials on the motion to dismiss
because they were integral to the complaint.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Fortres Grand sued for trademark infringement and unfair
competition under state and federal law; all the claims were subject to the
same standard.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It claimed reverse
confusion.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The court began by noting what trademark law isn’t about: “trademark
infringement protects only against mistaken purchasing decisions and not
against confusion generally.” To prevail, Fortres Grand needed to plausibly
allege that Warner Bros. saturated the market with a product that the public
was deceived into believing emanates from, was connected to, or was sponsored
by Fortres Grand.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The fatal flaw in the
case involved correctly identifying “the exact product that Warner Bros. has
introduced to the market – a film, not a piece of software.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Paradigm reverse confusion cases involve
directly competing products where a small regional producer is overwhelmed when
a larger player “rolls out a similar product with the same trademark on a
nationwide level.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
But Warner Bros. didn’t have real “clean slate”
software.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Fortres Grand couldn’t argue
that it had been damaged by the saturation of the market with “clean slate”
software.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Confusion had to be judged by
Warner Bros.’ actual product, as other courts in similar situations have also
ruled.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;See Ocean Bio-Chem, Inc. v.
Turner Network Television, Inc., 741 F. Supp. 1546 (S.D. Fla. 1990) (Star Brite
Distributing had no claim against fictional Starbrite Batteries); Davis v. Walt
Disney Co., 430 F.3d 901 (8th Cir. 2005) (Earth Protector advocacy organization
had no claim against fictional environmental software company Earth
Protectors); Caterpillar Inc. v. Walt Disney Co., 287 F. Supp. 2d 913 (C.D.
Ill. 2003) (no consumer would be more likely to buy or watch &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;George of the Jungle 2&lt;/i&gt; because of any
mistaken belief, based on presence of Caterpillar vehicles in the movie, that
Caterpillar sponsored it).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Fortres Grand couldn’t plausibly allege either that
consumers were deceived into believing that the &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;DKR&lt;/i&gt; “clean slate” program came from Fortres Grand, or that they
were deceived into believing that &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;DKR&lt;/i&gt;
came from Fortres Grand.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
“First, no consumer – reasonable or otherwise – can believe
the fictional ‘clean slate’ software in the movie emanates from, is sponsored
by, or connected to Fortres Grand because the fictional software does not exist
in reality.” A consumer who tried to find it would quickly discover that it
didn’t exist.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In other words, Warner
Bros. was not making a trademark use of “clean slate”: it didn’t identify a
source of software because there was no such software, and it didn’t identify
the source of the film either (citing, inter alia, &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;New Kids&lt;/i&gt;).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
“Second, no consumer – reasonable or even unreasonable –
would believe that the &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;The Dark Knight
Rises&lt;/i&gt; itself is connected to Fortres Grand.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Fortres Grand isn’t in the motion picture
business, and no one would buy tickets or discs because of a perceived
association with Fortres Grand’s products.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Any allegation of confusion about the film’s source would be too
implausible to survive &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Iqbal/Twombly&lt;/i&gt;.
&lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;(Notice
how sponsorship/product placement has been erased from the analysis.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Really, the only coherent way to understand
these statements is as normative claims, irrefutable by empirical evidence,
rather than as descriptive claims.)&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The
promo websites changed nothing. “To the extent it can be said that the term
‘clean slate’ on these sites is even being used as a trademark, it can only be
to indicate the source or origin for the film &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;The Dark Knight Rises&lt;/i&gt;.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Mark McKenna will appreciate this bit:&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Pragmatically, infringement means confusion
as to source, which means origin, which means “the producer of the tangible
product sold in the marketplace.” Hello, &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Dastar&lt;/i&gt;!
Vague, generalized confusion isn’t enough, since the key target is mistaken purchasing
decisions.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Because “no one looking for
Fortres Grand’s software is likely to mistakenly buy a ticket to &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;The Dark Knight Rises&lt;/i&gt;,” there was no
plausible claim for such mistakes.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
And also: the use of “clean slate” was protected by the
First Amendment, even if there were potential consumer confusion. &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Rogers v. Grimaldi&lt;/i&gt;, 875 F.2d 994 (2d
Cir. 1989), provided the standard.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The
Lanham Act doesn’t apply to artistic works as long as a use is artistically
relevant and not explicitly misleading as to the source or content of the
work.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Rogers&lt;/i&gt; is about titles, but also applies to the use of a mark in
the body of a work.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The first prong, artistic relevance, is a purposely low
threshold.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;“Clean slate” had artistic
relevance to both the film and the websites, as Fortres Grand’s own complaint
acknowledged—it was the name of a program that would erase a person’s criminal
history from every computer database.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Nor was the use explicitly misleading.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;As the 9&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; Circuit has (confusingly) said, “the relevant
question” is whether the use of “clean slate” in &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;The Dark Knight Rises&lt;/i&gt; would confuse its viewers into thinking that
the Fortres Grand “is somehow behind” the film or “that it sponsors” the film. &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;The requirement of &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;explicit&lt;/i&gt; misleadingness makes this a high bar: a work must make
some affirmative statement of sponsorship or endorsement, beyond the mere use
of a plaintiff’s mark, in order to be explicitly misleading.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;There was no such affirmative statement here.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The court rejected Fortres Grand’s argument that &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Rogers&lt;/i&gt; only applies to forward
confusion, not reverse confusion, because &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Rogers&lt;/i&gt;
was about protecting use of “culturally relevant” marks.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Because Warner Bros. wasn’t trying to refer
to Fortres Grand at all, it argued, &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Rogers&lt;/i&gt;
wasn’t relevant. The court didn’t see the logic there.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;First Amendment protection didn’t depend on
the infringer’s having “some well-thought-out, ‘expressive’ critique of the
trademark.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In fact, the chilling effect
of Fortres Grand’s position could be huge.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Small, relatively unknown trademark owners shouldn’t enjoy monopoly
power over use of words in expressive works any more than the owners of famous
marks should.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Other courts had concluded
similarly; the one case that supported Fortres Grand, Rebelution, LLC
v. Perez, 732 F. Supp. 2d 883 (N.D. Cal. 2010), read “artistic relevance” too
narrowly, requiring defendant’s use “to be with reference to the meaning
associated with plaintiff’s mark.” &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;As
the Ninth Circuit has held, “the level of relevance merely must be above zero”
(and, implicitly, “relevance” means “relevance to the work,” not “relevance to
the plaintiff”—which is the only sensible reading; otherwise the reality show &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Apple Pickers&lt;/i&gt; about competing fruit
sellers would be vulnerable to a claim from Apple, whose computers would lack
artistic relevance to the show).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The same analysis applied to the promotional websites.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Fortres Grand argued that &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Rogers&lt;/i&gt; didn’t apply because the sites
were commercial speech, but they weren’t, in that they did more than propose a
commercial transaction.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;“[I]n fact, it
is hard to see that they really propose any commercial transaction, other than
obliquely convincing consumers to buy a ticket to the film. Instead, they are
creative, fictional extensions of the film – artistic works in and of
themselves – and are thus entitled to First Amendment protection.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Rogers&lt;/i&gt;
applied in the same way.&lt;/div&gt;
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JAR Laboratories LLC v. Great American E &amp;amp; S Ins. Co.,
2013 WL 1966386 (N.D. Ill.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;


&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
JAR sued its insurer seeking a declaration of a duty to
defend it in an underlying suit filed by its competitor TPU, which distributes Lidoderm,
a pharmaceutical product. TPU claimed injury from allegedly false and
misleading representations JAR made in promoting its own LidoPatch.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Great American’s policies cover “advertising
injury,” which is injury arising out of “[o]ral or written publication, in any
manner, of material that slanders or libels a person or organization or
disparages a person's or organization's goods, products or services....” There
is an exclusion for suits alleging infringement of intellectual property,
defined as “personal and advertising injury”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in;"&gt;
arising out of any actual, alleged,
or threatened misappropriation, infringement, or violation of any one or more
of the following rights or laws: a) copyright; b) patent; c) trademark; d)
trade name; e) trade secret; f) trade dress; g) service mark; h) slogan; i)
service name; j) claim of authorship; k) other right to or law recognizing an
interest in any expression, idea, likeness, name, style of doing business,
symbol, or title; l) laws or regulations concerning piracy, unfair competition,
unfair trade practices, or other similar practices; or m) any other
intellectual property right or law.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The policy also excluded injury “arising out of the failure
of goods, products, services to conform with any statement of quality or
performance made in your ‘advertisement.’” &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
TPU sued JAR for false advertising under the Lanham
Act.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The underlying complaint alleged
that JAR issued a press release stating that LidoPatch contained the same
active ingredient as the leading prescription patch, would be ready to ship
shortly, and was “poised to become a major product in the topical analgesic
category. With its proven pain relieving active ingredients, lidocaine,
LidoPatch® can provide relief for minor pain …. Like the prescription brand,
LidoPatch® will provide relief for up to 24 hours.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Further, JAR’s website allegedly depicted the
package and stated “PAIN RELIEF FOR WHERE IT HURTS!! LidoPatch, with lidocaine,
for long lasting pain relief, and menthol to instantly soothe your discomfort.
The result is a patch that offers real relief for those painful areas that nag
you throughout the night and day. LidoPatch TM—Relief that lasts all day,
without a prescription!”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
TPU alleged that JAR was trying to mislead consumers into
believing that LidoPatch was merely an OTC version of Lidoderm, and otherwise
equivalent and interchangeable. However, TPU alleged, LidoPatch had a
completely different formulation, and JAR didn’t have FDA approval or tests
showing that LidoPatch was effective/fast acting.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;TPU alleged that it lost goodwill and profits
due to reduced demand for Lidoderm.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;TPU
ultimately amended its complaint to add causes of action under the deceptive
trade practices/unfair competition/false advertising/consumer protection
statutes of five states.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Insurance policies are construed in favor of the
insured.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;An insurer can’t refuse a
defense unless it’s clear from the face of the underlying complaint that the
allegations fail to state facts bringing the case within or potentially within
the policy coverage. The question here was whether the allegations in the
underlying complaint potentially alleged disparagement of Lidoderm. Great
American argued that, in Illinois, disparagement requires a false statement about
the underlying plaintiff.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
But on its face the underlying complaint alleged that JAR
communicated false/misleading messages about Lidoderm—that LidoPatch and
Lidoderm could be used to treat the same indication and that they were equally
effective/interchangeable.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;“That
plaintiff's statements did not identify Lidoderm by name is immaterial, a point
underscored by TPU's allegations about plaintiff's ‘messages.’ Whatever words
plaintiff used, TPU clearly understood (and alleges that ‘a substantial segment
of consumers’ would likewise believe) that plaintiff's implicit ‘message’ was
about Lidoderm.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
And JAR’s literal statements could reasonably be read to
identify Lidoderm explicitly, if not by name, since references to “the
prescription brand” had to be read in view of TPU’s allegations that Lidoderm
was “one of the most frequently prescribed pharmaceuticals in the United States,”
and “one of the best-selling pharmaceutical patches of all time in this
country.” &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The alleged statements also needed to portray Lidoderm in a
negative light to qualify as disparagement.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;JAR argued that allegedly false equivalence claims met that standard,
because disparagement can arise from comparison with something inferior.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;See Acme United Corp. v. St. Paul Fire &amp;amp;
Marine Ins. Co., 214 Fed.App. 596, 2007 WL 186247 (7th Cir.2007) (“[d]isparage
means ‘to discredit or bring reproach upon by comparing with something
inferior.’”); McNeilab, Inc. v. American Home Products Corp., 848 F.2d 34, 38
(2d Cir.1988) (“a misleading comparison to a specific competing product
necessarily diminishes that product's value in the minds of the consumer.”). Great
American argued that Acme was about underlying ad claims that the insured’s
product was superior, not just equivalent, but “a statement equating a
competitor's product with an allegedly inferior one is logically
indistinguishable from, and no less disparaging than, a statement describing
one's own product as ‘superior’ to the competitors'.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In addition, TPU’s allegations of damage to
goodwill and sales diversion bolstered the conclusion that the allegedly
misleading statements disparaged Lidoderm.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Thus, the underlying complaint could reasonably be construed
as falling within the scope of the policy, unless any exclusion applied.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Great American’s IP theory was that, because the
underlying complaint asserted Lanham Act claims and state law claims that
“sound in theories of unfair competition and unfair or deceptive trade
practices, or other similar practices,” the IP exclusion was triggered.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;“But this sweeping construction of the
exclusion is not supported by the authorities defendant cites, and it flies in
the face of both Illinois' policy and plaintiff's reasonable expectations about
the scope of coverage.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Allegations of
unfair competition, “however unmoored from any intellectual property right,”
weren’t excluded by the IP exclusion; to so hold would ignore the context in
which that phrase appeared.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Read in
context, the catchall provision excluding claims of “unfair competition, unfair
trade practices, or other unfair similar practices” “bars coverage only of &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;intellectual property claims&lt;/i&gt; based on
such allegations.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Otherwise, the term
IP in the exclusion’s heading and its text would have no meaning.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The court wasn’t going to restrict coverage
by deleting a limiting term from the caption of an exclusion.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Also, the exclusion began with the most
specific excluded claims and ended with the most generall.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The very last exclusion, just before the ones
on which Great American relied, was for “any other intellectual property right
or law.”(Emphasis added). “The clear import of this final phrase is that the
preceding subsections likewise referred to intellectual property rights or
laws.” &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The “quality of goods” exclusion also didn’t relieve Great
American of its duty to defend.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The fact
that LidoPatch was never released for sale was relevant to this exclusion.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;TPU’s claims alleged injuries directly
flowing from JAR’s ads, not from consumers’ discovery that the ads were false.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Plus, the underlying complaint alleged misstatements
about Lidoderm, not just misstatements about JAR’s own products.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The court also rejected Great American’s argument that an
exclusion for prior publication barred coverage, given that there were
allegations of specific actionable statements within the policy period and TPU’s
allegations of statements outside the coverage period were general and didn’t
necessarily match up with the statements made within the policy period.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
So Great American had a duty to defend, though it didn’t act
in a vexatious and unreasonable manner given that there was a bona fide dispute
over coverage, and therefore sanctions and costs weren’t appropriate.&lt;/div&gt;
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Viggiano v. Hansen Natural Corp., --- F.Supp.2d ----, 2013
WL 2005430 (C.D. Cal.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;


&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Viggiano brought the usual California claims, along with
federal warranty claims, based on Hansen’s diet Premium Sodas labeled as
containing “all natural flavors.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Each soda
allegedly contained two synthetic ingredients, acesulfame potassium (“ace-k”)
and sucralose, used as sweeteners and/or “flavor enhancers.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Each soda also contained at least one natural
fruit extract flavor. Viggiano alleged that consumers would understand “natural
flavors” to mean that the flavors have not been “modified, enhanced and/or
supplemented with artificial and/or synthetic compounds,” and that the “Premium
Diet Soda” name also implied that the sodas were flavored only with natural
ingredients.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Hansen argued that his claims were preempted because the FDA
expressly regulates the use of “natural flavor” labels.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;A manufacturer can use a “natural flavor”
label even if the product contains artificial, non-flavoring ingredients, so
long as the “characterizing flavor” is, in fact, natural. &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;However, if any added artificial flavor “simulates,
resembles or reinforces the characterizing flavor ... the name of the
characterizing flavor shall be accompanied by the words ‘artificial’ or
‘artificially flavored.’” &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Other courts
had found preemption in similar situations, distinguishing between unnatural
ingredients and unnatural &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;flavors&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The regulations allow “natural flavors” even
when not all the ingredients are natural.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The FDA allows sucralose and ace-k as sweeteners and, for
the latter, as a flavor enhancer—a “[s]ubstance[ ] added to supplement,
enhance, or modify the original taste and/or aroma of a food, without imparting
a characteristic taste or aroma of its own.” Thus, the court held, neither
sucralose nor ace-k were flavors, but rather sweeteners/amplifiers of whatever
characterizing flavor a product already had.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;(I don’t know why that doesn’t count as “reinforc[ing] the
characterizing flavor.”)&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And neither
appeared on the list of artificial flavors promulgated by the FDA.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Since FDA regulations expressly permitted this labeling, any
requirement to use additional or different labeling was expressly preempted.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Another decision had held that the FDCA did
not preempt state law consumer claims that an “all natural flavors” label on an
ice cream box was misleading, because a reasonable consumer could plausibly interpret
that to mean “all natural ingredients.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;But that court didn’t appear to have considered the specific flavor
regulations, which made clear that ace-k and sucralose were not flavors.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;“While the distinction between an enhanced
natural flavor and an unenhanced natural flavor may be one with which normal
consumers are not familiar, the FDA has not precluded food manufacturers from
labeling their products naturally flavored simply because the flavor may be
artificially enhanced.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Moreover, the
general “all natural flavors” label was confirmed by the ingredient list, which
identified the specific natural characterizing flavor for each can.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Even if the claims weren’t preempted, dismissal would be
appropriate, because no reasonable consumer would be deceived.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;“Flavors” are not “ingredients,” and Viggiano
identified no artificial flavors in the drink.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;“In cases where a product's front label is accurate and consistent with
the statement of ingredients, courts routinely hold that no reasonable consumer
could be misled by the label, because a review of the statement of ingredients
makes the composition of the food or drink clear.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Plus, the fact that the soda was clearly
labeled “diet” made clear that it contained artificial sweeteners, because it’s
the absence of sugar that makes a soda “diet.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Given the ubiquity of diet sodas, a reasonable consumer would understand
that a diet soda contains artificial sweeteners, even if it also said “all
natural flavors.” &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The truth of “all natural flavors” also disposed of the express
warranty claims. To the extent that Viggiano relied on the “premium” statement,
that was mere puffery with “no concrete, discernable meaning in the diet soda
context.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Read in context of the other
statements, none of them were actionable; thus, “premium” didn’t form part of
an overall warranty regarding the quality of the product. Unsurprisingly, the
implied warranty claims and the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act claims also failed.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The latter failed not just because the state
law claims failed, but also because the MMWA doesn’t apply to warranties
otherwise governed by federal law, as here with the FDCA, and because Hansen’s
label wasn’t a covered “written warranty” in the form of an assertion that the
product was defect free or that it would meet a specific level of performance
over a specified period of time.&lt;/div&gt;
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Red v. Kraft Foods, Inc., 2012 WL 8019257 (C.D. Cal.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;


&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Plaintiffs sued Kraft under the UCL, FAL, and CLRA based on
allegedly false marketing of Teddy Grahams, many varieties of Ritz Crackers,
Original Premium Saltine Crackers, Honey Maid Graham Crackers, Vegetable Thins
and Ginger Snaps, as healthy, though they contain high levels of partially
hydrogenated vegetable oil and other “unhealthy, highly-refined,
highly-processed, and nutritionally empty ingredients,” and thus allegedly
cause health problems including cardiovascular disease, diabetes and cancer. &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;The court previously denied class
certification without prejudice; the renewed motion limited the class to
California consumers and proposed one subclass per product with the challenged
label.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(The court found that plaintiffs
lacked standing as to varieties of Saltines they never purchased, so they could
only make claims based on regular Premium Saltines, not Premium Saltines
Unsalted Tops, Premium Saltines Multigrain, Premium Saltines Fat-Free and
Premium Saltines Low Sodium—a list that amazes me just because I had no idea
the world of saltines was so complex.) &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
In this tentative opinion before a hearing, the court was
unwilling to certify a class seeking damages under Rule 23(b)(2), but sought
clarification over whether plaintiffs would seek injunctive relief only under
23(b)(2) if it denied, as it was inclined to do, any 23(b)(3) certification
(for a class seeking damages).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Kraft
argued that such a suit would be largely moot because it had discontinued many
of the challenged labels, so the court needed more information, because
23(b)(2) certification might be warranted, but ascertainability and
predominance precluded a 23(b)(3) certification.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Defining the class as including only consumers who bought
products with the allegedly unlawful labels assuaged the court’s worry about
ascertainability to the extent that a previous definition included consumers
who might not even have seen the allegedly misleading claims and thus wouldn’t
have standing.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;However, ascertainability
was still a problem because the court thought it would be infeasible to
determine whether a person was a class member—overlapping with manageability
concerns.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;That is, these were cheap
products and consumers were unlikely to have receipts or even good memories
about what they bought when.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
When there was no way to verify that self-identified class
members suffered the alleged injury, and when consumers themselves might not be
able to honestly identify themselves, certification was probably improper.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Self-identification is more acceptable where “consumers
are likely to have retained receipts, where the relevant purchase was a
memorable bigticket item, or where the defendant would have access to a master
list of either consumers or retailers who dealt with the items at issue.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The one case plaintiffs identified allowing
self-identification for small-ticket purchases without written receipts was Zeisel
v. Diamond Food, Inc., No. C 10–01192 JSW, 2011 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 60608 (N.D.
Cal. June 7, 2011), which itself “relied upon cases involving big-ticket items
or cases where there were no nuanced labeling issues involved,” and the court was
unwilling to rely on it. Lack of ascertainability/manageability would also make
it impossible for future courts to figure out who was and wasn’t bound by the
judgment, a serious problem.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Since lack of ascertainability alone wouldn’t necessarily scuttle
a class action, the court continued with the other factors.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Numerosity was of course easy. As for
commonality, plaintiffs identified common questions about what Kraft
communicated, whether it was material, etc.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Under the UCL and FAL, plaintiffs need not prove that each individual
class member relied on misrepresentations if reasonable consumers were likely
to be deceived.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Thus, even if some class
members bought the products because they liked the taste, that wouldn’t affect
commonality.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;As for CLRA claims,
individualized reliance is an element, but reliance can be presumed if material
misrepresentations were made to the entire class.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And materiality wasn’t suitable for adjudication
at the certification stage; the court noted that plaintiffs made a sufficient
threshold showing of materiality, identifying numerous Kraft documents
indicating that health labeling like the challenged labels was likely to
influence purchasing decisions.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(However,
the court noted that, among other things, the fact that one class
representative made a post-suit purchase of one of the products indicated that
the issue of whether the misrepresentation was material was far from clear.)&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;As to subclasses involving one product and
one label, whether a claim was material to a reasonable consumer was plainly a
common question of fact.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Subclassing solved the court’s previous objections to the
wide range of products and labeling claims challenged.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Kraft argued that class members had different
reasons to buy the products, but common injury didn’t depend on whether class
members were upset about the injury for the same reasons: the question was
whether liability could be determined by resolving the same factual and legal
allegations.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
However, the court thought the proposed classes failed
23(b)(3)’s predominance requirement: individualized issues of damages were too
important.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The court was troubled by
other things, but not decisively so.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Kraft argued that the Teddy Grahams and Ritz I subclasses still involved
numerous products, but the former contained more than one product only insofar
as the container sizes differed, which wasn’t enough variation.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The court was more worried by the varieties
of Ritz crackers—Kraft allegedly falsely claimed that “Reduced Fat, Whole Wheat,
Hint of Salt, or Low Sodium” were all “sensible” choices, but the legal and
factual underpinnings of why they weren’t sensible would seem to differ.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Plaintiffs responded that the ingredients
rendering the crackers nonsensible were the same for all the varieties, but the
court would still find that four different products with two different labels
was too many for one subclass.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Kraft also argued that the subclasses were challenging too
many labels.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This only related to Teddy
Grahams and Honey Maid, since the others involved either only one label or the
labels “sensible snacking” and “sensible solution,” “which are sufficiently
similar that the Court cannot imagine Kraft to argue that different legal and
factual questions would resolve the merits of Plaintiffs' claims as to one as
distinct from the other.” The most problematic was the Teddy Grahams subclass,
which challenged four labels: “sensible snacking,” “sensible solution,” “smart
choices,” or “help support kids' growth and development.” These differed enough
to prevent common questions from resolving the claims of all members.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;For Honey Maid, challenging “wholesome” also
differed from “sensible snacking/solution,” and the court was inclined to
narrow the class.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The court was less impressed by Kraft’s argument that there
couldn’t be commonality when the same challenged words were used on a number of
different package designs for the same product.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Plenty of cases have found predominance where one allegedly fraudulent
message was conveyed across TV, print ads, and product labels, and Kraft couldn’t
cite cases in its favor on this argument.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Though there were other problems with the proposed classes, it would be “manifestly
unjust” for a court to reject predominance simply because a company didn’t use
the allegedly fraudulent claim for an extended period of time or because it
periodically made minor changes to the packaging containing the challenged
claim.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Kraft argued that some of the packaging during the subclass
periods didn’t bear the allegedly fraudulent representations, but consumers who
bought those packages wouldn’t be part of the class in the first place; this
was just another version of the ascertainability argument, or could be seen as
going to damages from the challenged labels rather than to liability.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Kraft’s most successful argument was on individualized
damages methods.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Plaintiffs had the
burden of showing that restitution could be calculated by methods of common
proof.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Nonrestitutionary disgorgement
wasn’t available in a UCL class action, so awarding full disgorgement wasn’t
allowed, since the class members “undeniably” received &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; benefit from the products, and a large portion of the sales
wouldn’t be tainted by misrepresentations due to “customer loyalty and other
factors” driving sales.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Plaintiffs’
second theory was that Kraft should pay restitution of a premium charged for
misleading health and wellness claims, compared to the same products before the
claims were used.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The amount of such a
premium might be established on a classwide basis, but individual class members
would still need to prove how many purchases they made, where and when, to
determine how much they were owed.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;“While
this method has been approved in a few analogous class actions, memory issues
as to what products were purchased where and in what quantities, as well as
price differences at the vast array of retail establishments that sell the
Products render this Court unwilling to find that common questions of law or
fact will predominate as to the resolution of class members' claims, due to the
individualized nature of the damages calculations.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Thus, predominance wasn’t met due to
manageability concerns.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The court rejected Kraft’s arguments against typicality,
including the argument that plaintiffs were atypical because they bought and
ate other foods with the same ingredients they alleged were unhealthy
here.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This was irrelevant because the
issue was misleadingness, not whether plaintiffs bought other products that may
or may not have made any healthfulness claims.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Their purchases were relevant to individual reliance, but that wasn’t an
element for the UCL and FAL claims, and the CLRA claim would only survive as a class
action if the misrepresentations were material and individual reliance could be
presumed.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The court also rejected various challenges to plaintiffs’
adequacy, though finding it a close question given the class representatives’
unfamiliarity with the complaint and the addition and removal of a law firm as
co-counsel.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The court cautioned counsel
to “include, involve and respect the class representatives sufficiently if the
case moves forward.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The court left final resolution of certification for a
hearing focusing on ascertainability, damages calculation, and other lingering
issues.&lt;/div&gt;
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Football Ass'n Premier League Ltd. v. YouTube, Inc., ---
F.Supp.2d ----, 2013 WL 2096411 (S.D.N.Y.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;


&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Interesting not just because of the intersection of class
actions and copyright, but because neither side apparently had the incentive to
clarify matters with respect to statutory damages, thus enabling some sloppy language, though nothing that ought to make a difference to this
case.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The court began by suggesting that this case was a
“Frankenstein monster posing as a class action” (citing Eisen v. Carlisle &amp;amp;
Jacquelin, 391 F.2d 555, 572 (2d Cir.1968) (Judge Lumbard, dissenting from
remand)).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in;"&gt;
The putative class consists of
every person and entity in the world who own infringed copyrighted works, who
have or will register them with the U.S. Copyright Office as required, whose
works fall into either of two categories: they were the subject of prior
infringement which was blocked by YouTube after notice, but suffered additional
infringement through subsequent uploads (the “repeat infringement class”), or
are musical compositions which defendants tracked, monetized or identified and
allowed to be used without proper authorization (the “music publisher class”). &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The plaintiffs claimed that there were at least thousands of
members in the repeat infringement class, and hundreds in the music publisher
class.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(Let me pause here and note that
everything about statutory damages that follows would make much more sense
if the class definitions had involved works registered &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;before the infringement began or within three months of publication&lt;/i&gt;;
it is hard for me to imagine that this would’ve changed the size of the class
very much except &lt;em&gt;perhaps&lt;/em&gt; as to foreign works, since commercially significant US
works tend to be timely registered and foreign owners generally either register in timely fashion or they don't, since late registration is pointless for them.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Of
course plaintiffs probably want a lot of non-US works in the class—but overall
then, it probably would’ve been to their benefit to point out that many non-US
works in the class wouldn’t be eligible for statutory damages.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The idea of eligibility for statutory damages
might seem to make damages calculations easier and thus class treatment more
acceptable, but here I don’t think that adds much, given that individualized
damages calculations are often acceptable if a class is otherwise valid.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Ahem.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Okay:
plaintiffs didn’t explain how the worldwide members of the class would be
identified, how they’d prove ownership, or how they’d prove YouTube’s awareness
of infringement, which is important given YouTube’s general DMCA
protection.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Given the number of clips on
YouTube, “[t]he suggestion that a class action of these dimensions can be
managed with judicial resourcefulness is flattering, but unrealistic.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(Of course, neither will individual actions
get much of anywhere, even if the individual is Viacom.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
In general, “copyright claims are poor candidates for
class-action treatment.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Though of
course the elements of infringement/secondary liability are the same across
works, the issues “must be resolved upon facts which are particular to that
single claim of infringement, and separate from all the other claims.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Aggregation therefore doesn’t simplify
dispute resolution.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Plus, the economic
need to aggregate that often justifies class actions isn’t as significant
because “the availability of statutory damages is designed to give litigation
value to each individual case.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Going through the class certification factors in Rule 23(a),
the class wasn’t just numerous, but &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;so&lt;/i&gt;
numerous that joinder was impracticable.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;“While one can often phrase questions of law or fact in ways that make
them ‘common’ to the class, in this case one can do that only at a level of
generality which is useless in practical application.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Common questions there might be, but common
answers couldn’t be found because of dissimilarities within the proposed class:
in particular, whether the copyright owner’s notice was sufficient to permit
YouTube to identify and take down the infringing material, along with other
defenses like fair use.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Other issues:
validity and ownership of the copyright; whether the party asserting a claim is
authorized to do so; amount of damages; substantial similarity and fair
use.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;These were all too
individualized.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;“One piece of music is
unlike another, and is untouched by what infringes the other.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Under &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Dukes&lt;/i&gt;,
“the few truly common issues, which largely pertain to the defendants' conduct,
do not predominate over individual issues.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
This also meant there was no typicality.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;“By their very nature, copyrightable works of
art are each unique, and what infringes one work will probably have no effect
upon another.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(Even exact wholesale
copying?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Those are special
snowflakes!)&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Each claim had individual
issues of ownership, infringement, fair use, and damages.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Nor was Rule 23(b) satisfied.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;A class action would be inferior because it
would “compress into one mammoth proceeding a universe of individual claims,
each with its particular facts, issues and (in many cases foreign) law, much
better handled in separate cases where each can receive individual attention.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The fear of expense was mitigated by
statutory damages, and in any event “the unique nature of each work and of its
infringement cannot be obliterated by its inclusion in a sea of other claims,
and the defendants are entitled to contest each of them.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;As for the individual questions of ownership,
assignment, waiver, and fair use (or fair dealing, I presume), they’d be “better
handled in the jurisdictions (often foreign) in which they arise, rather than thousands
of miles away.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Nor did the proposed subclasses help any.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The first was the repeat infringement class,
for works that are or would be registered or didn’t need registration (i.e.,
foreign works), whose owners submitted takedown notices but suffered subsequent
uploads that could’ve been blocked by screening tools.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The second was the music publisher class, for
those who owned/controlled musical works that were tracked, monetized, or
identified by YouTube, “including because YouTube identified a sound recording
of the composition using its text-based or audio-fingerprinting screening tools,”
whose works weren’t authorized.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
As for the repeat infringement class, YouTube just wasn’t
obligated by §512 to screen for repeat uploads; plaintiffs were bound by the &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Viacom&lt;/i&gt; holding to that effect, as they
were parties to that appeal.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;That left “little
or nothing” to the repeat infringement class, who at most would still need to
litigate their individual issues.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Plaintiffs’ implication that compliance with a takedown notice was a
tacit concession of infringement ignored §512, which made clear that a takedown
was no such thing and contemplated counternotification.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
And for the music publisher class, even if §512 were
overcome, there’d still be all those issues of ownership—“under the applicable
foreign law in the instances of foreign plaintiffs”—lack of authorization, fair
use, and nature and amount of damages, depending at least in part on
registration timing.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;“Plaintiffs say
that the burden is much simpler for this class than in the usual case, because
of the special business characteristics of the class definition, and that may
be so. But the showing must still be made, and one plaintiff's will be different
from another's.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;So there was no typical
claim that could provide common answers, only a “diverse and unmanageable
aggregation of individual claims, better dealt with separately.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Plaintiffs also sought certification of two issues: whether
defendants had the right and ability to control infringing activity on their
website and received a direct financial benefit attributable to that activity,
and whether defendants' unilateral syndication of clips to third parties was
“by reason of the storage at the direction of a user.” These were dealt with in
&lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Viacom&lt;/i&gt;, and not to plaintiffs’ advantage.&lt;/div&gt;
</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://tushnet.blogspot.com/feeds/1492084544917253654/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5764290&amp;postID=1492084544917253654&amp;isPopup=true" title="0 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5764290/posts/default/1492084544917253654?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5764290/posts/default/1492084544917253654?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://tushnet.blogspot.com/2013/05/monster-un-mash-no-class-action-for.html" title="Monster un-mash: no class action for YouTube plaintiffs" /><author><name>Rebecca Tushnet</name><uri>https://plus.google.com/117097928540770842157</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="32" height="32" src="//lh3.googleusercontent.com/-x6tIQMMDCLM/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAABAA/GtdrAZI62_k/s512-c/photo.jpg" /></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;D0UDSXg8cCp7ImA9WhBbF0w.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5764290.post-830705276111526409</id><published>2013-05-16T10:41:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2013-05-16T10:41:18.678-04:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-05-16T10:41:18.678-04:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="consumer protection" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="california" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="unfairness" /><title>Large Wells Fargo judgment reinstated</title><content type="html">&lt;a href="http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2013/05/judgment-reinstated-against-wells-fargo-in-overdraft-fee-case.html?utm_source=feedly&amp;amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ConsumerLawPolicyBlog+%28Consumer+Law+%26+Policy+Blog%29"&gt;Via the Consumer Law &amp;amp; Policy Blog.&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; Previous coverage of the legal response to Wells Fargo's reprehensible practices&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://tushnet.blogspot.com/2012/12/wells-fargo-wins-appeal-on-resequencing.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;(9th Circuit) and &lt;a href="http://tushnet.blogspot.com/2010/08/banking-on-unfairness-203-million.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; (earlier district court opinion).&amp;nbsp; More from me likely next week, post-grading.</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://tushnet.blogspot.com/feeds/830705276111526409/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5764290&amp;postID=830705276111526409&amp;isPopup=true" title="0 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5764290/posts/default/830705276111526409?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5764290/posts/default/830705276111526409?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://tushnet.blogspot.com/2013/05/large-wells-fargo-judgment-reinstated.html" title="Large Wells Fargo judgment reinstated" /><author><name>Rebecca Tushnet</name><uri>https://plus.google.com/117097928540770842157</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="32" height="32" src="//lh3.googleusercontent.com/-x6tIQMMDCLM/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAABAA/GtdrAZI62_k/s512-c/photo.jpg" /></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;D0cBSXo6cCp7ImA9WhBbF00.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5764290.post-8945399543193590717</id><published>2013-05-16T07:50:00.003-04:00</published><updated>2013-05-16T07:50:58.418-04:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-05-16T07:50:58.418-04:00</app:edited><title>$40 million award against Skechers</title><content type="html">&lt;a href="http://www.examiner.com/article/skechers-to-pay-40m-to-customers-for-false-advertising-over-shape-up-shoes"&gt;Skechers will pay $40 million for its unsubstantiated claims that its funny-shaped shoes improved fitness and health.&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; Via the Trademark Blog.</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://tushnet.blogspot.com/feeds/8945399543193590717/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5764290&amp;postID=8945399543193590717&amp;isPopup=true" title="0 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5764290/posts/default/8945399543193590717?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5764290/posts/default/8945399543193590717?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://tushnet.blogspot.com/2013/05/40-million-award-against-skechers.html" title="$40 million award against Skechers" /><author><name>Rebecca Tushnet</name><uri>https://plus.google.com/117097928540770842157</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="32" height="32" src="//lh3.googleusercontent.com/-x6tIQMMDCLM/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAABAA/GtdrAZI62_k/s512-c/photo.jpg" /></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;CUMGQng_eip7ImA9WhBbFk4.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5764290.post-8369402132351139512</id><published>2013-05-15T11:57:00.000-04:00</published><updated>2013-05-15T11:57:03.642-04:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-05-15T11:57:03.642-04:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="copyright" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="reading list" /><title>To Save Everything, Click Here</title><content type="html">Evgeny Morozov, &lt;em&gt;To Save Everything, Click Here: The Folly of Technological Solutionism&lt;/em&gt;: Morozov’s excellent first book, &lt;em&gt;The Net Delusion&lt;/em&gt;, established him as a major critic of internet eschatology, particularly the utopian brand.  His latest book attempts to expand on that critique, sometimes successfully and sometimes not.&amp;nbsp; For a sample mostly taken from the book, &lt;a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/24/opinion/sunday/morozov-imprisoned-by-innovation.html?ref=opinion"&gt;here’s Morozov on why we shouldn’t be sanguine about using technology to “improve” incarceration&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; A good sampling of &lt;a href="http://www.evgenymorozov.com/"&gt;Morozov’s work is available online&lt;/a&gt;; I would recommend avoiding his debate with Farhad Manjoo in Slate, where Morozov mostly ignores legitimate hits (he attacks generalizations like “the internet” but himself has no trouble criticizing “Silicon Valley”) in favor of snide near-ad hominems.
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Morozov wouldn’t be surprised that I, as an internet reviewer (“ordinary people don’t write reviews for the same reasons as professional critics; they are mostly interested in reviewing their own experience, not in making sense of a given work”), can’t improve on &lt;a href="http://lareviewofbooks.org/article.php?type&amp;amp;id=1506&amp;amp;fulltext=1"&gt;Kevin Driscoll’s take in the LA Review of Books&lt;/a&gt;, which has some very smart things to say about Morozov’s critiques of “solutionism” (social issues as problems with a fixed solution rather than approaches that have to be negotiated and compromised on) and internet-centrism.  For a rather harsher view, &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/book-review-to-save-everything-click-here-by-evgeny-morozov/2013/04/12/0e82400a-9ac9-11e2-9a79-eb5280c81c63_story.html."&gt;there’s Tim Wu, who is attacked in the book and understandably annoyed; his criticisms are not unwarranted&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;
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Morozov is a skeptic not just of whether Silicon Valley’s big promises can be carried out but, more importantly, whether they &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; be.  Friction, lack of transparency, inefficiency, and so on are not just hinderers of efficiency, but crucial parts of human self-definition and autonomy; politics isn’t politics if it’s not messy and a bit hypocritical.  Compromises and imperfections can be good, not bad; politics can’t be improved the same way that market transactions can be—if all interactions could be win-win, we wouldn’t have politics.  “Try telling [an Amazon] shopper that not all of his or her desires can be satisfied because someone else has equally compelling interests and those have to be taken into account as well; the market simply doesn’t work that way.”  &lt;br /&gt;
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And the consumerist mentality that solutionists bring to political challenges leads to disappointment and disgust with “politics,” when it should lead to a rejection of solutionism: “Most public institutions should not be held to the same standards as their private counterparts because their mission is to provide goods and services that markets cannot or should not provide.”  More generally, inefficiencies, hypocrisies, and the existence of crime “might be problematic in some limited sense, but they do not necessarily add up to a problem worth solving—any more than having a soccer match that lasts for ninety minutes rather than an eternity and features twenty-two people instead of everyone at the stadium is a problem to be solved.”
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Relatedly, the “frictionless” solutions promoted by techno-utopians often don’t solve the problems they purport to, and they don’t solve them in particular ways reflecting existing political and social inequalities.  For example, biometric identification technologies turn out to have particular trouble with certain racial groups, and fingerprint scanners have difficulty with people in certain working-class occupations--not that this is anything new, as Morozov is at pains to point out.&amp;nbsp; (An example related to my own field is the way in which visual communications technology is bound up in whiteness: Richard Dyer, "Making 'White' People White, in The Social Shaping of Technology, eds. Donald MacKenzie and Judy Wajcman (noting that, among other things, videotape quality was evaluated by how well it displayed a blank, pale orange signal called "skin" that was supposed to match white skin); Brian Winston, A Whole Technology of Dyeing: A Note on Ideology and the Apparatus of the Chromatic Moving Image, Daedalus, Vol. 114, No. 4 (Fall, 1985), pp. 105-123 (discussing how, at every stage, film development was guided by how it did at showing white skin).) &lt;br /&gt;
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For another example of solutionism, massive online open courses, Morozov notes, as many others have, that what they offer isn’t individual contact with an expert (even a grad student) but rather something else, and they don’t exist in a political vacuum: “In promising almost immediate and much cheaper results, they can easily undermine support for more ambitious, more intellectually stimulating, but also more demanding reform projects.”  &lt;br /&gt;
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Algorithms to recommend books to you have their biases, but that’s nothing compared to the dangers of algorithms that predict crime based on current circumstances (including poverty and racism that mean that crimes are committed and detected in particular ways).  And design that simply prevents the possibility of crime also often prevents the possibility of civil disobedience, an important driver of social change: “Sometimes being caught with marijuana in one’s pocket is better than being prevented from putting it there, simply because an arrest is likely to generate media attention and trigger a public debate about drug laws.”  But he’s always context-sensitive, and not dismissive of all better living through technology—anti-drunk-driving technology might be a good idea even if other technological interventions aren’t.

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I was reminded of Morozov’s critique of big data solutionism by &lt;a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/03/car_ads_for_women_does_the_industry_get_it_all_wrong.single.html"&gt;this bit in Slate&lt;/a&gt; about how facts can change their meanings when you have more context: &lt;br /&gt;
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Marti Barletta, a consultant in marketing to women, told me one of the reasons women have gained a reputation for caring about frivolous details is because they do so much research. By the time they arrive at dealerships, they’ve already logged countless hours online finding cars that satisfy their main criteria. Now, they’re picking through minutiae—what, precisely, makes the Nissan Maxima better than the Toyota Camry? (Could it be the number of cup holders?) These questions, Barletta says, contribute to an impression among salesmen that women care mostly about the little stuff.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This is a good example of the point that “data-driven solutions” can’t ever be entirely data-driven: you always need a theory.

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Morozov also constantly emphasizes that people construct technologies.  There’s nothing inevitable about the configuration of “the internet,” or “Facebook” or “Google” for that matter.  Facebook could limit the number of ads it shows; Google could write different algorithms.  As &lt;a href="http://limn.it/can-an-algorithm-be-wrong/"&gt;Tarleton Gillespie insightfully noted&lt;/a&gt;, Twitter’s algorithm for picking trending topics favors breadth (many groups using the same hashtag) over depth (a united group using the hashtag a lot), which is a political design choice that can be contested.  When we focus on current numbers, such as monitoring how much water we consume, we may be motivated to take individual action but we don’t understand or consider the complex systems of overall water consumption, and we aren’t challenged to think of how we might get a different set of numbers—Morozov wants our technologies to confound and challenge us.

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This is an important reminder, but it leads Morozov to be highly critical of activist discourses around things like SOPA/PIPA/ACTA’s “don’t break the internet” advocacy, and here (like many of his reviewers) I think he somewhat misses the mark.  Very few of the leaders, and I suspect very few of the followers, of the anti-SOPA/PIPA/ACTA protests believed that http and IP addresses and the like would disappear under SOPA/PIPA/ACTA etc.  Rather, they believed that &lt;em&gt;key features of the internet they knew and liked&lt;/em&gt; would be hampered if not destroyed.  The “internet” that existed, they thought, would be similar to the “Medicare” that would exist if what we now call Medicare were replaced by a voucher system.  It’s fair game in such a debate to say that “Medicare” would be destroyed by such a change; it’s even fair game to say that “marriage” would be destroyed by extending it to women who want to marry women, even if that’s a dumb argument on its own merits.  Yes, of course we should often question definitions, where much of the important rhetorical work is getting done, and Morozov is right to point that out—but many of the people he accuses really do know that already, and have made it pretty clear that they do.

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(He’s particularly unfair, it seems to me, to Jonathan Zittrain, whose &lt;em&gt;The Future of the Internet and How to Stop It&lt;/em&gt; comes under attack for internet-centrism and quixotic desire to keep the internet in a single state forever.  E.g., Morozov says “to claim that Apple—one of Zittrain’s culprits—is bad for innovation because it’s bad for ‘the Internet’ is like claiming that ‘the Internet’ is bad for innovation because it’s bad for the telephone.  Well, it might have been bad for the telephone—but when did preservation of the telephone become a lofty social goal?”  Yet a significant chunk of Zittrain’s book is devoted precisely to addressing questions of when we can say a technological configuration/change in the direction of greater or lesser centralized control is a good thing.  Zittrain isn’t entirely successful, I think, but by failing to acknowledge his explicit attempts to grapple with Morozov’s points, Morozov makes it seem as if Zittrain were silly or hypocritical, and himself ends up fighting a straw man.  This ungenerosity isn’t unique in the book.  Later, for example, Morozov suggests that those who favor market transactions trading private data for material benefits as mutually beneficial must also therefore approve torture “provided the prisoners ‘strike the right deal’ and are well compensated,” whatever that might mean.)

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Morozov is at his best discussing tradeoffs and political reactions to technology: greater access to information can be manipulated by governments just like other new forms of power can be, and if—which is not yet established—there is a link between the two, he’s right that it’s not clear that the “local politics in Bahía Blanca [Argentina] [should] make sacrifices so that a fifteen-year-old in Palo Alto can remix cat videos without going to jail.”  He doesn’t want that fifteen-year-old to go to jail, but he also doesn’t want arguments for that remixer’s protection to prevent &lt;em&gt;any&lt;/em&gt; tinkering with technologies to make them “safer,” for some politically chosen definition of safer, especially since private parties and nondemocratic states are willing to tinker anyway.

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Some have found his attack on extreme self-monitoring technologies and technologists, who are really outliers, to be a bit much, but I really liked his point (again, not new, but well made) that there is a deep political problem with proposing self-monitoring as the solution to the barrage of advertising and subsidies that keep us eating terrible, unhealthy food: “yes, some of us might find ingenious engineering solutions to resist insidious marketing, but in all this celebration of modern technology, shouldn’t we also do something about the marketing itself? …. [P]olitical action all but disappears; rather than reforming the system, we just tinker with ourselves and tend to our reservoirs of willpower the way Swiss bankers tend to their vaults.”  But Morozov also hates “nudging” via technical or legal structures, even though that’s pretty much the opposite of the individualistic solutions he condemns, because he wants us all to think deeply, and exhaustingly, about all our politically relevant choices, which is to say basically all of them, though he talks most about energy consumption.
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Probably Morozov’s most effective assault is on the concept of “openness” as an unqualified good.  Because of preexisting political struggles, “open” data will be used in politically inflected ways—for example, maps that visualize crime statistics across different neighborhoods could help improve police effectiveness, but they could also devalue properties and make people living in dodgy neighborhoods to be less willing to report crimes.  Openness has feedback effects.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Likewise, digitization of land records in India, in an attempt to empower the weak, may have benefited the rich and powerful by exposing which occupants lacked formal title despite being morally and even legally owners.  Morozov advocates for context-specific solutions—here, accepting other methods of proving title such as old family photos or maps along with official land titles, or selectively limiting access to land records so that people with “no obvious need” to see them can’t do so.  Information, he argues, should be “collected and distributed in full awareness of the social and cultural complexity of the institutional environment in which it is gathered. Sometimes preserving the social relations that enable that environment to exist … might require producing data that is only half transparent or half accessible …. [D]emocracy thrives on compromise and the art of reconciling seemingly irreconcilable interests.”  And it’s hard to disagree with that last point, whatever excesses are in the rest of the book.
</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://tushnet.blogspot.com/feeds/8369402132351139512/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5764290&amp;postID=8369402132351139512&amp;isPopup=true" title="1 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5764290/posts/default/8369402132351139512?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5764290/posts/default/8369402132351139512?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://tushnet.blogspot.com/2013/05/to-save-everything-click-here.html" title="To Save Everything, Click Here" /><author><name>Rebecca Tushnet</name><uri>https://plus.google.com/117097928540770842157</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="32" height="32" src="//lh3.googleusercontent.com/-x6tIQMMDCLM/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAABAA/GtdrAZI62_k/s512-c/photo.jpg" /></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;C0IBRH4yfCp7ImA9WhBbFUk.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5764290.post-16488847858289867</id><published>2013-05-14T10:25:00.003-04:00</published><updated>2013-05-14T10:25:55.094-04:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-05-14T10:25:55.094-04:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="copyright" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="my writings" /><title>New article: Performance Anxiety</title><content type="html">&lt;a href="http://ssrn.com/abstract=2264277"&gt;Performance Anxiety: Copyright Embodied and Disembodied&lt;/a&gt;, J. Copyright Soc.:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
The 
primary economic and cultural significance of copyright today comes from
 works and rights that weren’t contemplated by the Framers of the 
Constitution’s Copyright Clause. Performance—both as protected work and 
as right—is where much of copyright’s expansion has had its greatest 
impact, as new technologies have made it possible to fix performances in
 records and films and as cultural change has propelled recorded music 
and audiovisual works to the forefront of the copyright industries. Yet 
copyright has never fully conceptualized performance, and this has led 
to persistent confusion about what copyright protects.&lt;br /&gt;
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One key 
problem of performance from copyright’s perspective is how to identify 
the creative elements that make a work of performance original and 
protectable, as distinguished from elements that make it a work (a fixed
 artifact). A major variant of this question involves authorship: who is
 sufficiently responsible for a work of performance to be deemed its 
author, and thus its default owner? In a world where works require 
dozens and even hundreds of people to complete them, this question will 
often be difficult to answer while both respecting creativity and 
recognizing economic imperatives. Another set of questions involves 
whether there are ways to recognize performers’ creative contributions 
without contributing to copyright’s bloat, and how to assess claims of 
infringement in a performance context when the alleged copying isn’t 
exact. This article addresses these puzzles of performance, arguing that
 manageability rather than creativity is generally the basis for the 
rights allocations and distinctions copyright law makes. The recent 
controversy over the film Innocence of Muslims, along with other 
instances in which subjects of audiovisual works claimed copyright in 
those works, demonstrate the limited role played by creativity in 
copyright law. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
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Nationwide CATV Auditing Services, Inc. v. Cablevision
Systems Corp., 2013 WL 1911434 (E.D.N.Y.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;


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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Nationwide sued Cablevision for breach of contract, false
advertising under the Lanham Act, unfair/deceptive trade practices, and other
torts.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The court dismissed most of the
claims.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Nationwide provides installation and maintenance services to
consumers on behalf of cable providers, including Cablevision for a while.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Their agreement required Nationwide to engage
in employment screening and to not allow any individual to perform contract
work unless the screening was acceptable.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Nationwide hired Francisco Sanchez after such a screening, which
revealed nothing of concern, and had him perform work for Cablevision, using
the “Optimum Cable” badge, uniform and vehicle signage required by
Cablevision.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Shortly thereafter, law
enforcement investigated a report from a Cablevision customer that Sanchez had
stolen jewelry from the customer’s home while performing work for
Cablevision.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Nationwide notified
Cablevision of the investigation, stopped Sanchez from performing further
contract work, and performed a second background check, which again raised no
concerns.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Cablevision agreed that
Sanchez could again perform contract work.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Nationwide significantly increased its workforce and bought
additional vehicles based on Cablevision’s promise to provide additional
contract work, but then police responded to a reported burglary and pulled over
a van with “Optimum Cable” signs on the doors.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Sanchez and two others were inside; they were arrested and charged with
seven burglaries, and Sanchez was also charged with the earlier burglary.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Various news reports identified him as a
Nationwide employee.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Nationwide alleged that Cablevision tried to foist the blame
on Nationwide, publicly announcing that it was immediately suspending work with
Nationwide “which provides a limited amount of work, only in Suffolk County,
NY, pending a complete and thorough investigation.” &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Cablevision failed to disclose that it had
earlier specifically authorized Nationwide to permit Sanchez to return to work
after the accusation of the earlier burglary, and that Cablevision's employees,
not Nationwide's, had serviced some of the customers who had allegedly been
burglarized.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Nationwide subsequently disclosed its screening materials
for Sanchez and its other employees; Cablevision representatives allegedly
assured Nationwide that Nationwide had done nothing wrong and couldn’t have
anticipated Sanchez’s alleged crimes any more than Cablevision could have.
However, they were instructed to terminate Nationwide’s contract as a PR
strategy.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Then, Cablevision allegedly
worked with a Nationwide competitor, AWS, to hire away most of Nationwide’s
employees, using the confidential information Nationwide had provided to
Cablevision as part of the investigation.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Cablevision terminated its contract with Nationwide for failure to
conduct adequate background checks, an allegedly pretextual reason.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The court dismissed the breach of contract claim to the
extent it was based on termination of the contract and on alleged promises to
provide additional contract work, leaving some claims based on disputed
equipment charges/withholding of remittances for work Nationwide performed.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The court also dismissed the state-law unfair and deceptive
trade practices claim.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Though
Cablevision’s statement that it was suspending Nationwide was true, Nationwide
alleged that it was misleading because it “impl[ied] that Cablevision ‘had
effectively eliminated the risk of burglaries by cable technicians bearing its
marks and logos on their vehicles and uniforms by terminating its contract with
Nationwide,’ when in fact Nationwide had nothing to do with the thefts and the
termination of Nationwide did nothing to protect the consumers who were the
intended audience for Cablevision's false claim.” &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;The court found that Nationwide provided only
speculation about what consumers inferred from the statement, and that was
insufficient to survive a motion to dismiss.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Cablevision “made clear that it was conducting an investigation
and did not claim to have provided all relevant information concerning the
burglaries.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The information that
Nationwide contended should have been included in the statement—whether
Nationwide serviced the allegedly burglarized customers--was known to
Nationwide, making it a nonactionable omission, and “Nationwide was free to
publicize that information if it believed that it was relevant to consumers or
would mitigate the damage to its reputation.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Even if the statement was misleading, Nationwide failed to
allege that it harmed consumers or the public interest.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Allegations of consumer confusion—here,
confusion over whether the risk of burglaries by cable technicians using
Cablevision trademarks—are generally insufficient consumer harm under NY GBL §§
349 &amp;amp; 350.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Unfair competition is a broad tort under New York law, but
not this broad. It requires misappropriation of the fruit of a plaintiff’s
labors, but not all commercial unfairness qualifies.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Nationwide alleged unfair competition based
on Cablevision’s alleged misappropriation of its employee-related information,
and its requirements that Nationwide employees performing contract work omit
any reference to Nationwide and use only Cablevision’s service mark.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(Nationwide also alleged that Cablevision’s
suspension statement was unfair competition because it caused Cablevision’s own
activities to be mistaken for Nationwide’s activities, but since it wasn’t
false or misleading it couldn’t be unfair competition.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
But Nationwide’s bare allegation that the identities of its
employees were “confidential and proprietary” was not sufficient to withstand a
motion to dismiss. Mere inducement of an at-will employee to join a competitor
isn’t actionable absent dishonest means or a scheme designed solely to produce
damage.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Neither were alleged here.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Given that Cablevision terminated Nationwide,
it was true to tell the employees that their only option for continuing to
perform work for Cablevision was to leave Nationwide and join AWS.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The parties’ agreements didn’t designate
employee identity as confidential, and Nationwide offered no other reason that
this information should be considered proprietary.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
As for the allegations about required use of the Optimum
service mark, the contracts required all contractor vehicles to prominently
display both the Cablevision sign and the contractor’s name and address.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;“Nationwide cannot complain of confusion
caused by its failure to prominently display its name on its vehicles.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Nor did Nationwide explain how the alleged
consumer confusion caused by the use of the Optimum service mark on employees’
badges and uniforms caused it any of the injuries it alleged.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The court also dismissed the Lanham Act claim because
Cablevision’s statement wasn’t literally false, nor was it likely to mislead or
confuse consumers based just on Nationwide’s speculation.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Regardless, it wasn’t commercial advertising
or promotion, which in the Second Circuit requires (1) commercial speech, (2)
for the purpose of influencing consumers to buy defendant's goods or services,
and (3) disseminated sufficiently to the relevant purchasing public. &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;The touchstone is that “the contested
representations are part of an organized campaign to penetrate the relevant
market.” While Nationwide alleged widespread public dissemination, that was
insufficient; the statement wasn’t part of an organized campaign, but at most
an isolated disparaging statement, which had to be addressed (if at all) by
state-law causes of action.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The court also dismissed Nationwide’s negligence, breach of
fiduciary duty, unjust enrichment, civil conspiracy, and prima facie tort
claims.&lt;/div&gt;
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Torres v. JC Penney Corp., Inc., 2013 WL 1915681 (N.D. Cal.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;


&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Plaintiffs filed a putative class action for violations of
the CLRA, UCL, and FAL based on defendants’ failure to disclose to consumers
that the jewelry they advertise as “white gold” and “sterling silver” is coated
with rhodium, which wears off. The wear reveals the underlying color of the
jewelry, which is an “undesired yellow, off-white or dingy grey color.” Consumers
can restore the jewelry's original “shiny white” appearance by re-coating the
jewelry at their own expense. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Plaintiff Rojas bought an engagement ring from JCPenney for
over $1000 and gave it to plaintiff Torres.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;It was sold as “white gold,” without disclosure of the rhodium coating,
the underlying color, or the vulnerability to wear. Rojas and Torres had the
ring re-coated “more than once” in the past year to restore its original white
color. &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Plaintiff Kerner similarly bought
jewelry advertised as “sterling silver,” without disclosure that the items were
coated with rhodium, or that the coating would wear off “to reveal a layer of
copper or nickel that is applied to the sterling silver core to make the
rhodium coating adhere more easily to the jewelry.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Plaintiffs alleged that if they’d known the
truth, they wouldn’t have bought the jewelry or would have paid less for it.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Defendants moved to dismiss on the basis that they were
protected by safe harbors under the FTC Guides, the National Sampling Act, and a
provision of California law adopting the National Sampling Act. California’s
safe harbor doctrine precludes an unfair competition claim when the legislature
has permitted certain conduct or considered a situation and concluded no action
should lie.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;To forestall such a claim,
another provision of law must actually bar the action or clearly permit the
conduct.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Defendants argued that the FTC Guides allowed them to
advertise an item as gold or sterling silver without disclosing a rhodium
coating as long as the amount of other metals in the item diddn’t exceed the
permissible tolerances set out in the National Stamping Act (NSA): three parts
per thousand for gold and four parts per thousand for sterling silver. &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;The court disagreed, for two reasons: first,
the Guides aren’t legislation or regulations, as required for the application
of the safe harbor doctrine, but rather merely interpretations designed to
provide public guidance, not created by a formal rulemaking process.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Second, defendants didn’t show that the Guides
clearly permitted the failure to disclose.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Rather, they stated that it was unfair/deceptive to misrepresent the
presence of gold or silver if it didn’t meet the NSA’s permissible tolerances.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This wasn’t permission for nondisclosure; at
best, it didn’t make the nondisclosure unlawful.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But there’s a difference between not making
an activity unlawful and making that activity lawful. The same analysis applied
to the NSA itself and California law incorporating it.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
With that out of the way, the court found that the
plaintiffs had pled their claims with the requisite particularity.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Failure to disclose can be actionable under
the CLRA if the defendant had a duty to disclose, which requires at least one
of: (1) a fiduciary relationship with the plaintiff; (2) exclusive knowledge of
material facts not known to the plaintiff; (3) active concealment of a material
fact from the plaintiff; or (4) partial representations with suppression of
some material fact.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The court found that
plaintiffs pled (2)-(4).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Plaintiffs
plausibly alleged that the rhodium coating wasn’t visually discernible to them
at the time of purchase and that defendants had exclusive access to the
specifications of the jewelry; they plausibly alleged active concealment
because neither the ads nor the sales staff provided any information about the
rhodium coating; and they plausibly alleged partial representations based on
statements that jewelry was “14kt white gold” or “sterling silver,” without
mentioning the rhodium coating.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Similar reasoning preserved the UCL claims under all three
prongs: unlawful, unfair, and fraudulent.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;The court rejected defendants’ arguments that alleged violations of the
FTC Act can’t ground a UCL claim because there’s no private cause of action
under the FTCA.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The UCL provides a cause
of action for violations of other laws, and the FTCA doesn’t itself bar private
enforcement of its provisions.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And of
course the FAL claims also survived.&lt;/div&gt;
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General Steel Domestic Sales, LLC v. Chumley, 2013 WL
1900562 (D. Colo.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;


&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
General Steel sued defendants, including Chumley and his
company Armstrong Steel, for trademark infringement, unfair competition, and
false advertising.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;After a trial, the
court rejected the infringement claims but found that defendants had engaged in
false advertising.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
General Steel had a registered trademark for its logo, the
outline of a building with “General Steel Corporation” in it, and also on the
word mark “GENERAL STEEL CORPORATION.” &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;General Steel and Armstrong compete to sell prefabricated
steel buildings.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;These range in size and
purpose and cost from $10,000-$200,000.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
General Steel has spent over $50 million in marketing,
mostly on radio ads, from the late 1990s.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;It also has a history of some adverse court decisions on consumer
protection issues, which are available to consumers online, as were other
negative comments even before Chumley’s activities detailed here. General
Steel’s sales peaked in 2002 and then steadily declined; its principal
attributed the decline to a case arising out of the Colorado AG’s complaint.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Chumley worked as a salesperson for General Steel for about
9 months and left disgruntled.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;He then
moved to another competitor, Olympia Steel, and sent an obscene email to
General Steel employees under a mocking pseudonym, and created/directed the
creation of a porn website falsely attributed to a General Steel employee.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;He then moved to Colorado to open an Olympia
office, but then created the defendant business entities, doing business as
Armstrong, which sold its first building in April 2009.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Chumley used Google AdWords to target General Steel, e.g.: “General
Steel buildings – Steel framed buildings | Armstrong Steel ... Checkout [sic]
various Armstrong Steel buildings – Building frames for your general steel
buildings like commercial steel buildings, industrial steel buildings. www.armstrongsteelbuildings.com/steel-metal-building-frames.php.”
&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;He was also involved in issuing a number
of internet press releases and articles using false claims to publicize
Armstrong’s capabilities.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Some of the
articles used quotes from a fictional person, “J.P. Remington, III, V.P. of
International Affairs for Armstrong Steel.” One falsely claimed that Armstrong
established an “enrichment program . . . benefit[ting] the less fortunate children
of the Middle East” by helping to rebuild schools in Iraq. It also claimed that
it had been required to “postpone international deliveries by one month to meet
rising demand here in the U.S. for their steel buildings.” Chumley’s email
address sent emails purporting to be from Remington. Chumley blamed a former
employee for writing the emails and false articles, but the court didn’t find
this credible.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
In 2010, Armstrong characterized itself as “one of the
largest pre-engineered steel building manufacturers in North America,” and
stated that “Armstrong Steel is a leading manufacturer of pre-engineered steel
buildings and conventional metal buildings for commercial, industrial and
religious building projects.” Its website described Armstrong as “the leader in
metal buildings and steel metal buildings.” Chumley testified that Armstrong
sold approximately seventy buildings from the time of its founding through
April 2010. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The 2010 website also said that “[e]ach piece of steel we
fabricate is representative of our experience, know-how and cutting-edge technology,”
but Armstrong did not fabricate any steel at that time. Likewise, the website
stated that Armstrong had an “onsite, environmentally-controlled painting
facility” which “applies the finishing touches to every piece of your steel
building structure without adding cost to your metal building project,” but
Armstrong didn’t have an on-site painting facility, nor was the claim “[o]ur
facilities utilize laser precision engineering” true.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Searching “general steel” on Google in February 2010 would
likely have produced the sponsored ad: “General Steel Buildings
www.ArmstrongSteelBuildings.com Price Your Building Online Or Let Us Do It.
Guaranteed Lowest Prices!” &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;By June 2010:
“General Steel Buildings Price an Armstrong Steel Building Online in Minutes Or
Let Us Do It. www.ArmstrongSteelBuildings.com,” or, just before the lawsuit
commenced, “Don’t Buy General Steel Without Pricing Armstrong First. Price a
Steel Building in Minutes! www.ArmstrongSteelBuildings.com,” “Before You Buy
General Price Armstrong Steel First Guaranteed Lower Prices! www.ArmstrongSteelBuildings.com,”
and “General Steel v Armstrong www.ArmstrongSteelBuildings.com Don’t Buy a
General Steel Building Without Pricing Armstrong First!”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Once the lawsuit started, Chumley doubled down on the
“General Steel” ad campaign, expanding it to Bing and Yahoo because defendants
were “in litigation over it” and “may as well maximize.” &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Later, the search engines told Armstrong to
stop using “General Steel” in its ad copy.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Then, Armstrong began directing visitors to its home page to
a webpage entitled “May the Best Building Win.” The page continued, “Compare
the Two Finest Buildings on the Market Today and Let Reputation and Price Be
the Deciding Factors!” General Steel’s corporate logo was on the left and
Armstrong’s corporate logo was on the right. &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Then purported features were listed.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Armstrong claimed for itself a “40 year paint warranty,”
“40 year wall panel warranty,” “35 year roof panel warranty,” and “Stainless Steel
Fasteners.” &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;However, Armstrong customers
didn’t receive any warranty documents. Plus, both parties provided steel
fasteners for a premium, making that comparison false (by necessary
implication).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Additional text invited
customers to compare the two, and there was a small print disclaimer of any
affiliation between the two.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
In September 2011, additional language was added using
“general steel” in an unusual way, e.g., “Armstrong will Research, Plan and Price
your General Steel Materials Construction Project,” “There are a number of
reasons why customers turn to us with their multi purpose metal building and
general steel buildings project development needs,” and numerous other
references to “general steel buildings.” The additional language also included
the claim that Armstrong fabricated steel, which it doesn’t. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
There was also a website, generalsteelscam.com. Chumley
denied that he operated the site, but WIPO ordered the transfer of the site to
General Steel based on a complaint filed against Chumley, who admitted to
submitting large amounts of content to it. The trial evidence didn’t establish
that the content was false, but the court found that his activity on the site
indicated that Chumley was committed to damaging the reputation of General
Steel.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Plus, the court found, Chumley
wrote and posted articles online that purported to have been written by two
high-level General Steel personnel.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The
articles supposedly written by one, Jeffrey Knight, indicated that he was the
webmaster of generalsteelscam.com (and some also said that he was the CEO/owner
of General Steel).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Many of the articles
indicated that the website allowed customers “who have been ripped off by
General Steel” to document their complaints. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The court first analyzed General Steel’s trademark claims
based on Armstrong’s use of “General Steel Buildings” or “general steel” in
AdWords ad copy, as a paid keyword, and in website text.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The court found that Colorado’s unfair
competition law was not broader, at least for these purposes, than the Lanham
Act.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Defendants argued that “General Steel” wasn’t a valid mark.
The court disagreed.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The registration
was prima facie evidence of validity; Armstrong argued that this was only
limited to the full logo. But “General Steel” was the most salient feature of
the registered logo mark, and the presumption of validity extended to the words
as well.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Armstrong didn’t produce
evidence rebutting that presumption. &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Moreover, General Steel showed secondary
meaning even though it wasn’t required to do so.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Its over $50 million on marketing, using
mostly radio ads that by their nature didn’t include the logo, were evidence
that it had created an association in people’s minds.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Indeed, General Steel was the third most
searched term in the metal building industry after generic searches for “steel
buildings” and “metal buildings.”&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Armstrong’s own use of the term showed
widespread awareness of General Steel’s strength.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;“[I]f Armstrong considered itself a seller of
‘general steel’ buildings, it would not have issued advertisements instructing
consumers not to buy ‘general steel,’” but instead used the term to catch
potential customers’ attention. Likewise, if “general steel” were a descriptive
term, Chumley wouldn’t have created a website called generalsteelscam for a
business he was in.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Instead, the site
described itself as “a worldwide online consumer reporting Web site and
publication that allows customers who have been ripped off by General Steel to
file and document complaints about General Steel Buildings ….”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Armstrong presented no credible evidence that “general
steel” was a descriptive term for the parties’ products.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Its own use of “general steel” on its website
“demonstrates an attempt to embed search terms in website text, often with
awkward results.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But that merely
emphasized its targeting of General Steel.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;The only other documents using “general steel” in that way were the
internet articles for which the court found Chumley responsible.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Turning to confusion, the court found no likely confusion
despite defendants’ misleading behavior.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;(Here, the availability of false advertising as a separate cause of
action may well have prevented a distortion of trademark to encompass
techniques that are in themselves legitimate.)&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The court began with the use of “General Steel” and “general
steel” in AdWords text.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Product
similarity and marketing strategies weighed in favor of finding confusion, and
of course the similarity of the marks was strong, despite the absence of
General Steel’s logo and of the word “Corporation.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;However, this use didn’t establish an intent
to create confusion.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Instead, as
demonstrated by the creation of other sites maligning General Steel, the
campaign was designed to create &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;contrast&lt;/i&gt;,
as illustrated by use of the phrase “Don’t Buy General Steel.” &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Still, some ads showed an intent to confuse, supporting
General Steel’s initial interest confusion argument.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The court “suspect[ed] that certain customers
may well have been lured to Armstrong’s website believing they were heading to
General Steel’s.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;They could have easily
left, but Armstrong potentially benefitted from General Steel’s goodwill by
retaining initially confused customers.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;But suspicion of initial interest confusion is not enough; proof is
required.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;There was no evidence at trial
of actual confusion.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Though actual
confusion isn’t required, its absence still weighed against finding likely
confusion.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Moreover, the degree of care used by consumers “greatly
diminishes any initial advantage Armstrong might have gained from improperly
drawing people to its website.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Steel
buildings are expensive, complicated, and require a thorough consideration of
available options before purchase.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This
decreased the likelihood “that a customer’s choice would be significantly
impacted by stumbling across one company’s website before another’s.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Thus, General Steel failed to show likely
confusion from the use of “general steel” in ad copy.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(Citing Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc. v.
Tabari, 610 F.3d 1171, 1179 (9th Cir. 2010) (“[R]easonable, prudent and
experienced internet consumers . . . . skip from site to site, ready to hit the
back button whenever they’re not satisfied with a site’s contents. They fully
expect to find some sites that aren’t what they imagine based on a glance at
the domain name or search engine summary.”)). &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The court noted that Armstrong’s language on its website in
September 2011 could potentially have confused a consumer: “Armstrong will Research,
Plan and Price your General Steel Materials Construction Project,” and numerous
other references to “general steel buildings.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;“Nevertheless, this language appeared on a website devoted to
contrasting Armstrong with General Steel. In that context, the references are
more likely to appear discordant rather than to confuse potential customers as
to the source of the product.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The use
of “general steel” as a supposedly generic term was intended to further
Armstrong’s SEO, bringing it higher in organic results for “general
steel.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
But this, and Armstrong's keyword buys,
weren’t enough to show initial interest confusion.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;“Although the appearance of a link in a
results list may enhance the likelihood that a user will view the associated
page, the user must still make an affirmative decision to select the link. In addition,
the connection between the search term entered and the appearance of an advertisement
is too attenuated to suggest an actual affiliation between the two.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Given the maturity of internet advertising,
it’s much less likely that potential customers, especially sophisticated
business customers interested in buying steel buildings, would believe that two
companies known to compete were actually affiliated just because of the appearance
of an ad.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
In an argument Eric Goldman will love, the court rejected
General Steel’s assumption that “potential customers entering the term ‘general
steel’ into a search engine are searching exclusively for that company, as opposed
to executing a broader search for all companies selling similar products.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Given the latter possibility, an overly
restrictive rule on keyword buys would destroy the value of search
engines.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Many of the actual uses of
“general steel” in website text “occurred either in the context of a clear
comparison or in a context that, while puzzling, was unlikely to confuse
consumers as to source.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Further, even assuming that the few ads that didn’t starkly
contrast the parties were enough to support a trrademark claim, there was no basis
for an injunction, since the AdWords campaign was discontinued after General
Steel contacted the search engine companies, who required Armstrong to remove
the terms from his ads.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;“[E]ven assuming
Armstrong desired to reinstitute the advertisements, plaintiff fails to demonstrate
that it would be possible to do so or that plaintiff would lack an adequate remedy.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(Is this the first time a court has relied on
search engine trademark policies to deny relief?)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Matters improved substantially for General Steel when the
court turned to the false advertising claims, for reasons you can probably
guess from the facts above.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The court
found that most of the challenged claims were literally false: that Armstrong
was a manufacturer that fabricates steel buildings; that it used an on-site environmentally
controlled painting facility and laser precision engineering; that it engaged
in charitable endeavors and had significant international demand for its
products; that it provided pregalvanized steel and steel fasteners as standard
features and that General Steel did not; and that it provided “general steel
buildings” and “general steel construction” (note the interesting use of false
advertising as essentially a cause of action against genericide by a
competitor).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
However, Armstrong’s advertising of a generous warranty
wasn’t literally false even though it didn’t provide customers with warranty
documents.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;There was no evidence that it
had disclaimed warranties, wrongfully denied claims under an existing warranty,
or otherwise altered the terms of existing warranties. Even without specific
warranty documents, there was no evidence that Armstrong’s representations were
insufficient to create a binding and enforceable warranty.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Also, the court disagreed that Amstrong had actionably
overstated its size and status in the industry, for example by referring to
itself as “the leader in metal buildings.” “Leader” was nonactionable
puffery.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(Citing David A. Hoffman, &lt;a href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=887720"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;The Best
Puffery Article Ever&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, 91 Iowa L. Rev. 1395 (2006)). &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;The greater the buyer’s expertise or the wider
the audience, the more likely it is that a statement is puffery.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(The “wider audience” thing makes zero sense,
but it doesn’t matter here.)&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;“Leading”
is like “best”: on its own, too vague for objective evaluation.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;General Steel didn’t provide a concrete
definition of the term against which to measure Armstrong’s claim.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;“Given the relative sophistication of
individuals seeking to purchase steel buildings, the size of the audience
targeted by internet advertising, and the placement of these claims within
lengthy paragraphs extolling the unspecified virtues of Armstrong, there is no
evidence that any consumer did or would interpret these claims as anything more
than puffing.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Finally, General Steel didn’t show that Armstrong’s claim to
be an “OEM manufacturer” was false.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Armstrong’s witnesses testified that an OEM manufacturer “is an entity
that designs, but does not manufacture, the components of the products it
sells, and that Armstrong employs engineers to design the components of its
steel buildings.” The court found this testimony credible, and General Steel
didn’t provide evidence that the term did or would mislead consumers.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
On the literally false claims, no evidence of actual
confusion was necessary.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Separately, the
court found an intent to deceive, also allowing the court to presume that&amp;nbsp;deception
occurred.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Armstrong’s deceptive intent
was evidenced by “its persistent use of deceptive means to undermine General
Steel’s reputation.” Chumley’s instruction to “maximize” the use of General
Steel’s name because Armstrong was already in litigation indicated its
determination to target General Steel.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;(Why is targeting General Steel not just ordinary competition, as
compared to the other things Chumley did?)&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;After discovery closed, Armstrong expanded its comparison page to
include lots of references to “general steel buildings” and “general steel
construction”; Chumley contributed content to the website generalsteelscam.com
and falsely attributed articles he published online to General Steel officers, “indicating
his commitment to damaging General Steel’s reputation.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Some circuits have also presumed materiality in cases of
literal falsity, but the 10&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; Circuit hasn’t ruled on the issue, so
the court evaluated materiality separately.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;The court found materiality as to the literally false statements except
for statements that Armstrong engaged in charitable endeavors and had significant international
demand for its products.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(Also
interesting, because statements about a company’s ethics and popularity seem at
least potentially material to me, but there doesn’t seem to have been direct
testimony about that; note too&amp;nbsp;that the claim to provide “general steel
buildings” was found to be material, though I’m not quite clear why.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Armstrong argued that there was no evidence of injury.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The court agreed as to ads that concerned
only Armstrong’s own products without reference to General Steel, since General
Steel failed to present evidence that it lost customers, revenue, or goodwill,
or was otherwise harmed by Armstrong falsely claiming to possess on-site
painting or laser engineering facilities. &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;The trial evidence showed that General Steel’s
sales began to decline seven years before Armstrong entered the market, driven
by the broader economic downturn and the Colorado AG’s action against General
Steel.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
However, the court presumed that Armstrong’s literally false
comparative advertising injured General Steel.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Even when a presumption of injury applies, a plaintiff still needs to
provide an evidentiary basis showing actual harm to obtain money damages.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The three false statements made in
comparative advertising (that Armstrong was a manufacturer that fabricates
steel buildings; that it provided pregalvanized fasteners and General Steel
didn’t; and that it provided “general steel buildings” and “general steel
construction”) as part of a pattern of willful deception presumptively injured
General Steel.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But because General Steel
didn’t provide an evidentiary basis for the extent of its injury, it could only
seek injunctive relief and disgorgement of profits.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Happily for General Steel, those were both available.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;As for injunctive relief, loss of
goodwill/control over reputation is generally considered irreparable, and a
plaintiff has no adequate remedy at law where, as here, a factfinder couldn’t
quantify the extent of injury and remedy it through money damages. Plus,
Armstrong’s pattern of willful deception indicated a likelihood of future harm
absent injunctive relief. The other factors also supported an injunction.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Disgorgement is available under theories of unjust
enrichment and deterring future willful violations.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It’s most appropriate when damages are
otherwise nominal, though actual damages remain relevant, especially given the
remedy’s punitive nature and the risk of a windfall.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Willfulness is necessary but not sufficient
for disgorgement.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The court based its willfulness finding on the following:
the major search engines stopped Armstrong’s use of General Steel’s name in its
ads, but Armstrong nevertheless issued new ads falsely comparing itself to General
Steel and falsely stating that it provided “general steel” buildings.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It continued to disseminate its false ads
even after General Steel’s WIPO claim against the scam website, “showing that
enforcement proceedings are not sufficient to deter Armstrong from
disseminating false advertising.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This
pattern of willful deception betrayed a conscious desire to benefit from
falsity, supporting disgorgement.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Likewise, the level of certainty that Armstrong benefited
from its unlawful conduct favored disgorgement, since Armstrong’s rising
profits and persistent use of falsity showed that it derived a commercial benefit
from the falsity.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And it deliberately
singled General Steel out as its targeted chief competitor.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Armstrong generated the vast majority of its
leads through internet sales, “indicating the importance of webpage design and
internet advertising to its sales.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The disgorgement award was limited according to the limited
scope of the established violations.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;To
determine profits, a plaintiff must only prove defendant’s sales, and defendant
must prove all costs or deductions claimed: profits are presumed to be the result
of the unlawful activity and the defendant bears the burden of showing which,
if any, of its total sales are not attributable to the unlawful activity.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Some degree of speculation is allowed,
particularly when it’s necessary in part because of defendants’ poor
recordkeeping.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The trial evidence showed that Armstrong earned a net profit
of $583,037 in 2009 and $649,232 in 2010, but these were conservative figures
because they were based on Armstrong’s own financial statements “without taking
into account the possibility that Mr. Chumley diverted profits by improperly
charging personal expenses to the company.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Armstrong didn’t show evidence that its earnings were due to other,
non-violative conduct.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Its comparative
ads lasted at least 18 months, from mid-August 2010 to mid-February 2012.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But there was no credible evidence at trial
of its 2011 or 2012 earnings, so the court awarded its prorated profits during
the 4½ month period in 2010 when it was engaging in false comparative
advertising: $243,462.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;General Steel was
also given leave to seek attorneys’ fees and costs. &lt;/div&gt;
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Shell v. American Family Rights Ass'n, 899 F. Supp. 2d 1035
(D. Colo. 2012)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;


&lt;br /&gt;
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In yet another demonstration of the fact that there is no
field so small that vicious battles can’t break out within it, Shell sued
defendants (including AFRA, of which she was initially a cofounder) for using
or copying her proprietary information—mostly the contents of her website—and
for related torts.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The parties
participate in the market for services and information for families involved
with child protection services; Shell operated a website at profanejustice.org and
claimed copyright over every article, paper, and document published on the site.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;She licensed her materials, and created a
training program based on her trade secrets.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Attendees at her seminars were required to sign a
noncompete/nondisclosure agreement before receiving the training or training
materials.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Some of the defendants
attended her training program, and, as relevant here, Shell alleged that defendant
Swallow took and used the noncompete/nondisclosure form and proprietary
information without permission.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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The court first found that it lacked personal jurisdiction
over defendant AFRA.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Though AFRA had
members in Colorado and websites “advertised” by AFRA were (available?) in
Colorado, that wasn’t enough, absent a showing that these activities were
different than those conducted in the other 49 states in which AFRA allegedly
had members.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Even if AFRA members/a
Colorado affiliate amounted to purposeful direction of AFRA’s activities to
Colorado, Shell didn’t allege any connection between those activities and her
alleged injuries.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Shell’s harms arose
from publication of her copyrighted works on various websites, but she didn’t
show that the websites specifically targeted a Colorado audience, engaged in
commercial or other significant transactions with Colorado residents, or
otherwise were connected to Colorado.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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Shell argued that her Colorado residency meant that her harm
manifested in Colorado.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But the 10&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;
Circuit requires that the forum state be a focal point of the tort, and
residence in the forum state, meaning that harm is suffered there, doesn’t
alone establish personal jurisdiction over a defendant who hasn’t purposefully
directed activities at the state.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The
mere fortuitity of Shell’s Colorado residence didn’t establish specific
jurisdiction over AFRA.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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The court went on to address numerous other issues,
including Shell’s Lanham Act claims against several defendants.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Shell averred that defendant Swallow
published a number of defamatory statements about Shell, and that the
statements were advertisements, but the complaint had nothing more than conclusory
allegations that Swallow engaged in commercial activities.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;At most, Swallow allegedly posted comments
disparaging Shell and accusing her of criminal/fraudulent conduct.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This might state a claim for defamation, but
didn’t plausibly allege that Swallow was advertising her own product or
service.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Thus, the Lanham Act false
advertising claim was dismissed.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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Likewise, the state-law unfair trade practices claim against
Swallow failed.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The complaint alleged
that Swallow improperly obtained and disseminated materials from Shell’s
training seminar and published unfavorable comments about her on the internet.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;There were no allegations that Swallow
engaged in an unfair trade practice in connection with Swallow’s own “business,
vocation, or occupation,” as required, or that her conduct has had a
significant impact on the public as consumers of Shell's goods or services.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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Similarly, the Lanham Act claim against defendant Henderson
was dismissed.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The complaint didn’t
allege nonconclusory facts to show that Henderson advertised anything, was in
commercial competition with Shell, or made any statement in order to induce
consumers to buy his goods or services.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;In fact, the crux of Shell’s suit was that she offered her materials and
training in exchange for a fee, but that defendants made them available for
free. These activities may have caused Shell financial harm, but didn’t amount
to commercial activity by Henderson.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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Shell noted that AFRA in the past promoted and advertised
her materials when she was a member of the board; offers brochures for anyone
to print; publicizes its positions on child welfare issues; and promotes itself
as an organization. &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;But none of that
amounted to the sale of a product or service.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;What she called advertisements were “merely disparaging statements about
her, apparently posted online or communicated person to person.” &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
None of the statements were specifically attributed to Henderson,
nor were they made in connection with any effort by him to sell a competing
product or service.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The only conduct
specifically attributed to him was his creation of AFRA interactive online
groups, used to exchange information, to “offer AFRA fund raising items,” and
to promote AFRA as an organization. &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;She
identified insulting and allegedly false comments posted on those groups and
elsewhere by other people, and her disagreement with Henderson’s advice on
child welfare issues.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But while those
facts might support a defamation claim against the speakers, they didn’t
plausibly suggest that Henderson made any false statements in connection with
commercial advertising of a competing product or service. (Henderson allegedly
made two statements, apparently in communications to other AFRA directors, that
he thought Shell had “Alzheimer's or what ...” and that Shell “even went so far
as offering to fabricate a sexual harassment case against me because I used to
end my phone conversations with the Christian ‘I love you.’”)&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Thus, the claim against him was dismissed
without leave to amend.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
However, the unfair trade practices claim against Henderson
survived.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Henderson was allegedly the founder,
board member and former president of AFRA who maintained the AFRA website and
set up interactive discussion groups, and he allegedly posted Shell's materials
without consent and made nasty comments about her on these sites. &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Reading the complaint most favorably to Shell,
“because of Mr. Henderson's leadership role in AFRA, the allegations could
plausibly suggest that his conduct was in the course of his business, vocation
or occupation.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Publishing Shell’s
materials without consent or attribution and disparaging her professional
reputation could plausibly be considered an unfair trade practice.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(&lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Dastar&lt;/i&gt;?)&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The complaint alleged that the market for
Shell’s services and materials was affected by this conduct, injuring her
financially.&lt;/div&gt;
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Andrew Koppelman, &lt;a href="http://www.law.northwestern.edu/lawreview/v107/n2/647/LR107n2Koppelman.pdf"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Veil
of Ignorance: Tunnel Constructivism in Free Speech Theory&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, 107 Northwestern
U. L. Rev. 647 (2013) (citations omitted):&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;


&lt;br /&gt;
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Pornographers, Nazis, and other
transgressors of the sacred thus form a stable alliance with civil
libertarians. This valorization of “sponsoring study-abroad sojourns in the
land of fire and brimstone” is peculiar. Most “cultures do not train souls for
the ironic contortionism that liberal subjectivity calls for.” Rather, most of
the world’s population “cannot hear certain things without wanting to hit
somebody.” Free speech is a distinctive cultural formation, and those who would
maintain it had better know what it is that they are maintaining.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
There’s also a discussion of copyright and the First
Amendment.&lt;/div&gt;
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Discuss.</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://tushnet.blogspot.com/feeds/9046278562756684935/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5764290&amp;postID=9046278562756684935&amp;isPopup=true" title="1 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5764290/posts/default/9046278562756684935?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5764290/posts/default/9046278562756684935?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://tushnet.blogspot.com/2013/05/twitter-as-new-frontier-in.html" title="Twitter as new frontier in appropriation art?" /><author><name>Rebecca Tushnet</name><uri>https://plus.google.com/117097928540770842157</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="32" height="32" src="//lh3.googleusercontent.com/-x6tIQMMDCLM/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAABAA/GtdrAZI62_k/s512-c/photo.jpg" /></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;DkMNRX4_eyp7ImA9WhBbEUQ.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5764290.post-5151400029127554021</id><published>2013-05-10T10:01:00.001-04:00</published><updated>2013-05-10T10:01:34.043-04:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-05-10T10:01:34.043-04:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="copying" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="false advertising" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="contracts" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="music" /><title>Another twist on music licensing: the re-recording</title><content type="html">&lt;a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2013/05/re_recordings_runaway_and_other_classic_songs_redone_in_the_studio_can_we.single.html"&gt;Slate's story on re-recordings notes that record contracts often drive the practice, leaving musicians with little incentive to disclose the differences&lt;/a&gt;, even when the results aren't the same as the beloved version the listener heard lo these many years ago.&amp;nbsp; Interesting advertising questions result, especially if the versions are often mislabeled, as the author contends.</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://tushnet.blogspot.com/feeds/5151400029127554021/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5764290&amp;postID=5151400029127554021&amp;isPopup=true" title="0 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5764290/posts/default/5151400029127554021?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5764290/posts/default/5151400029127554021?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://tushnet.blogspot.com/2013/05/another-twist-on-music-licensing-re.html" title="Another twist on music licensing: the re-recording" /><author><name>Rebecca Tushnet</name><uri>https://plus.google.com/117097928540770842157</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="32" height="32" src="//lh3.googleusercontent.com/-x6tIQMMDCLM/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAABAA/GtdrAZI62_k/s512-c/photo.jpg" /></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;Dk4BRHg4eCp7ImA9WhBbEUw.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5764290.post-5672473118036204970</id><published>2013-05-09T11:55:00.004-04:00</published><updated>2013-05-09T11:55:55.630-04:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-05-09T11:55:55.630-04:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="consumer protection" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="false advertising" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="class actions" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="california" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="procedure" /><title>Revised, lower Kellogg settlement receives preliminary approval</title><content type="html">

Dennis v. Kellogg Co., 2013 WL 1883071 (S.D. Cal.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;


&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
&lt;a href="http://tushnet.blogspot.com/2012/07/9th-circuit-rejects-settlement-for.html"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Previously,
the 9&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; Circuit rejected a settlement of claims about Kellogg's alleged misrepresentations of the benefits of its sugary breakfast cereals for kids because the settlement had&amp;nbsp;the wrong cy pres
beneficiaries and suggested the fees were excessive&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Dennis v. Kellogg Company, 697 F.3d 858, 869
(9th Cir. 2012).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Here, the court
preliminarily approved a renegotiated settlement, while expressing some
concerns about it.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The original
settlement had a $2.75 million cash fund for distribution to class members on a
claims-made basis; Kellogg distributing $5.5 million of food products to
charities to feed the indigent; Kellogg refraining from using the challenged
representations in ads for three years; and approximately $2 million in
attorneys' fees and costs, for about $10-10.5 million total.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The 9&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; Circuit reversed the final
settlement approval order because benefiting the indigent, as the cy pres award
would do, “has little or nothing to do with the purposes of the underlying
lawsuit or the class of plaintiffs involved.” &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The revised settlement had a $4 million cash fund for
distribution to class members on a claims-made basis, any remaining balance of
which will be distributed equally among Consumers Union, Consumer Watchdog, and
the Center for Science in the Public Interest.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Kellogg would also refrain from using the challenged representations in
ads for three years.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;“Minus attorneys'
fees of up to 25% plus costs as well as approximately $550,000 in claims notice
and administration costs, the cash value to the class totals approximately $2-2.5
million.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Preliminary approval is nonfinal, but not a rubber stamp: a
judge must ratify both the propriety of certification and the fairness of the
settlement.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;As before, certification was
proper given that the elements were reasonably shown to be satisfied.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The one hesitation was the dramatic decrease
in value to absent class members “while the requested attorneys' fees and
incentive awards appear unaffected.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If
not further addressed at final approval, these concerns could result in a
finding of inadequate representation.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Because the court can’t fully assess many fairness factors
before notice and an opportunity for objection, it doesn’t have to conduct a
full fairness appraisal before preliminary approval.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It only needs to look whether the settlement
itself discloses grounds to doubt its fairness or other obvious deficiencies.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The proposed settlement here “appears to fall
within the range of possible approval, as it appears to be the product of arms-length
negotiations by experienced counsel, was reached after considerable litigation
and discovery into the asserted claims, and provides considerable cash recovery
and injunctive relief.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Moreover, the
court was satisfied that the cy pres recipients, “each a well-established and
well-regarded consumer protection organization,” satisfied the 9&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;
Circuit’s rule that appropriate cy pres recipients in this false advertising
case should be “organizations dedicated to protecting consumers from, or
redressing injuries caused by, false advertising.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
However, the original settlement had about $8.5 million in
value to the class, while the cash value here dropped to $2-2.5 million.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The court wanted answers to its questions: “How
did mere identification of proper cy pres recipients result in such a severe
drop in the value of the class's claims? How is it that the value to the class
dropped approximately 75%, while requested attorneys' fees appear nearly
constant? These concerns are especially troubling given the Ninth Circuit
previous admonishments to the parties over both illusory dollar values and
excessive attorneys' fees.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This was not
enough to defeat preliminary approval, but the court ordered the parties to
fully address those concerns in the final approval briefing and hearing.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(I suspect the real answer involves Kellogg’s
increased willingness to litigate to prevent money from going to CSPI etc., but
it will be interesting to see what the briefs say.)&lt;/div&gt;
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 tradition, almost bordering on a legal duty, for British journalists to
 confuse trade marks and copyright at least once in every published news
 item]."</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://tushnet.blogspot.com/feeds/1719078171349311749/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5764290&amp;postID=1719078171349311749&amp;isPopup=true" title="0 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5764290/posts/default/1719078171349311749?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5764290/posts/default/1719078171349311749?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://tushnet.blogspot.com/2013/05/ipkat-on-trademark-bullying.html" title="IPKat on trademark bullying" /><author><name>Rebecca Tushnet</name><uri>https://plus.google.com/117097928540770842157</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="32" height="32" src="//lh3.googleusercontent.com/-x6tIQMMDCLM/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAABAA/GtdrAZI62_k/s512-c/photo.jpg" /></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;DkIEQX87fCp7ImA9WhBbEEw.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5764290.post-5799424972799769415</id><published>2013-05-08T08:01:00.002-04:00</published><updated>2013-05-08T08:01:40.104-04:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2013-05-08T08:01:40.104-04:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="false advertising" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="procedure" /><title>Failure to attach full ads renders complaint implausible</title><content type="html">

Fink v. Time Warner Cable, --- F.3d ----, 2013 WL 1859141
(2d Cir.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;


&lt;br /&gt;
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By failing to specify the content of the allegedly deceptive
ads, plaintiffs failed to plead a plausible claim for relief under NY and
California consumer protection law.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Time
Warner allegedly misleadingly described its Road Runner internet service as providing
an “always-on connection” at a “blazing speed” that is “up to 3 times the speed
of most standard DSL packages and up to 100x faster than dial-up” and the
“fastest, easiest way to get online.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Plaintiffs alleged that, in fact, Time Warner’s network management
techniques decreased the speed of access of certain high-bandwidth internet
applications.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
A court may determine as a matter of law that an allegedly
deceptive advertisement would not have misled a reasonable consumer, as
required.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Here, the record didn’t
contain the allegedly deceptive ads, and their precise formulation and context
was pivotal.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The court of appeals asked
the plaintiffs to supplement the record, and they identified a single ad dated
nine months after they filed suit, which contained only one of the four alleged
misstatements (up to 3 times the speed of most standard DSL packages and up to
100x faster than dial-up).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Given that
the complaint purported to quote the offending ad verbatim, it should have been
easy to produce.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Time Warner, meanwhile,
submitted an ad printed from the internet less than a week after it received
the initial complaint, which contained at least three of the alleged
misstatements, “closely accompanied by multiple disclaimers and explanatory
language, including the statement, ‘[a]ctual speeds may vary.’”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
The primary evidence in a consumer fraud case based on
advertising is the advertising itself, and context is crucial since, “under
certain circumstances, the presence of a disclaimer or similar clarifying language
may defeat a claim of deception.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Plaintiffs can’t misquote or misleadingly excerpt the language of an ad
and survive a motion to dismiss (which suggests that plaintiffs must attach ad
texts to complaints before discovery, or at least that defendants will demand
that they do so from now on; I wonder what that means for pleading the net impression of an ad, which is the key factual issue).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The
allegations of the complaint were “materially inconsistent with the sole
advertisement Plaintiffs have submitted” and therefore lacked facial
plausibility.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
In addition, the statement in the ad plaintiffs submitted
couldn’t support their claims, because the phrase “up to” would lead a
reasonable consumer to expect that speeds could be less than the advertised
speeds.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Plaintiffs conceded that “up to”
was not a guarantee of the top speed&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Still, plaintiffs argued that the parties’ disagreement
about what documents would be relevant showed that how a reasonable consumer
would react was a factual issue whose resolution would be premature on a motion
to dismiss.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The court disagreed: “this
puts the cart before the horse. Plaintiffs brought this lawsuit, and purported
to do so based upon the specific text of a specific advertisement. They should
not need discovery to tell them exactly what that advertisement said.”&amp;nbsp; (I sure hope future plaintiffs have eidetic memories!)&lt;/div&gt;
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Andrea Matwyshyn, Hacking Speech: Informational Speech and
the First Amendment &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;


&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Discussant: Felix Wu&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Bomb-making and other informational speech: disclosure of
security vulnerabilities. Mixed in with security vulnerability is the issue of
code as speech. Courts don’t have great answer on when code is speech; muddied
areas put together produce more mud.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Literature on how security works: iteration of discovering
vulnerabilities in order to fix them.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Notice practices are important.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;This info is particularly important when only a few people are capable
of engaging in this kind of work, and their specialized knowledge leads to real
research results.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Proposes weighing four factors: What are the speaker’s own
goals (improve security v. enable criminals to exploit vulnerability); what are
the circumstances of the disclosure (to whom being conveyed and under what
circumstances: security conferences v. selling on market to nonowner of system);
scarcity (is this specialized expert knowledge whose dissemination is
beneficial or known/knowable information that script kiddies could use); what
steps did speaker take to minimize affirmative harms as opposed to potential
benefits (particularly contacting owner ahead of time or disclosing it in form
that it is easier to understand than to use as an actual exploit).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Where would this test be applied? Constitutionality of laws
restricting disclosure; and in criminal prosecutions for aiding and abetting
criminal activity.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Wu’s thoughts: Not clear operationally how this works in
those situations.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;A narrowly crafted
prohibition on sales to foreign gov’ts would likely survive 1A scrutiny, but
what if there’s a mix of characteristics?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Which factors are more important/crucial?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Hard time coming up with any example of sale
to nonowner entity that should ever be permitted.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Is balancing the right way to go?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is very fact-intensive balancing
suggested. Reminds him most of multifactor test for likely confusion (and that’s
not a compliment)—no one factor is dispositive and it depends on individual
facts. Odd to use that as a model for running a 1A analysis.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;What bad policy but constitutional law would
look like: what meets the constitutional floor but would be a bad idea
anyway?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Reasons for security testing
were good reasons, but it wasn’t clear they were 1A reasons (to choose openness
over security by obscurity, for example).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Matwyshyn: these are ways to think about intent. Not a
balancing test, but not a tally.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It wasn’t
clear to me which factor if any should be dispositive.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Trying to respond to caselaw and the line
between speech and commodity.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Sale to a nonowner: wasn’t willing to take a firm stand on
because of hot debate in info security community. Not convinced it should be
dispositive. The argument is, for example, let’s say the owner refuses to take
an interest in fixing the system, and so someone has written the code and is
interested in selling it, but is willing to sell it to a nonprofit that wants
to fix the system.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Vulnerability markets
are developing; Google will buy vulnerabilities as part of a norm emerging that
you can get paid for your work.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Worried
about foreclosing that reality.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Still,
any time you take speech out of the public eye, it does become more dangerous.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Q: nontrivial set of cases where owner’s interests aren’t
aligned with public interest.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Sale to
gov’t—the intelligence community has a kind of startup incubator that sort of
does this.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Sale to the media—a little
more unclear. If there’s going to be disclosure to a party that can force the owner
to fix it, that’s probably not the nonprofit directly. But if a media source
says it will run a story, the owner may act. But what if they publish “troop
movement” analogues in the process?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
A: that’s why it’s hard to argue in favor of any one element
being dispositive.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Q: to sustain a market, given economic downturns, you have
to have a model that allows incentivizing of risky activities (risk of DMCA
prosecution, for example).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Wu: law banning all sales to nonowners might be bad policy
but constitutional law.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Margot Kaminski: time place and manner usually works as
limit on gov’t, not limit on what speaker can do.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
A: using that as a reference but not a direct model.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Kaminski: O’Brien: look at whether gov’t is targeting
nonspeech elements.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Moving TPM analysis
to speaker’s intent makes it riskier for speakers to speak in certain contexts,
but not clear. Certain forums might die because of a chill either on the
speaker or the forum.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Robert Post:
taking it out of the public forum makes killing a private forum ok. But if the
issue is autonomy, speakers should be free to choose a forum.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Say that I go to a Communist meeting hall,
and that hall turns out to have a history of speakers who actionably advocate
imminent overthrow of the gov’t. If presence at the hall is a relevant factor,
then I may fear speaking there.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
A: so the analogy would be that going to 4chan where you
know black hats are is a factor.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;She’s
ok with the speaker pausing longer before being willing to speak in certain
forums.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Say the speaker has contacted
the owner and warned them and been ignored—is the speech happening in a
reasonable place?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Kaminski: Brandenburg: likely to produce unlawful action—and
the place may be relevant. But if that goes into whether it’s protected speech
at all—&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
A: separating whether it’s speech from whether it’s fully
protected.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Kaminski: understands O’Brien differently. Doesn’t think it’s
about dual-purpose speech, but rather first looking at whether there’s a
particularized message and then looking at whether gov’t is only regulating
function rather than speechy elements.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
A: Focusing on different elements of O’Brien.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is not a direct reading, but trying to
extract its essence.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Kaminski: the theme you extract from O’Brien is the part
that placed restrictions on the gov’t and you put that in evaluation of speaker’s
intent, and she finds that troubling.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Risk mitigation idea is cool—the community norm is that you
should engage in risk mitigation (provide notice, don’t do a zero-day
exploit).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Does that put unacceptable
friction in the speech process, though?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;That is, is that an acceptable burden on the speaker?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
A: yes, but worthy of further discussion.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
David Goldberg: Phone hacking scandal in UK.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;There appears to be some discussion in the
tech community that it wasn’t really hacking—reaction?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
A: the term, in the US, has changed—hacking used to mean
recombining elements in a creative way v. cracking, which was criminal
intrusion. Now blending it.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Trying to
pun on the term in her title.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Goldberg: when you get info but the info per se isn’t
published, what is that?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
A: that would be intrusion—if used knowingly subsequent to
intrusion, we have a different set of problematic issues.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Bryan Choi: trouble w/premise that there’s single use speech—even
bomb info has multiple possible uses/purposes.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Helen Nissenbaum: contextual privacy—seems similar, where context and
intent of sharer matter; breadth of distribution matters; building in
protections matters to whether privacy protection is justified.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Is that a way to preserve appropriate
information flows?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Another example:
anonymity—we have certain instincts about good and bad uses thereof.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Patents too: patents promote disclosure in
certain ways; if we don’t allow certain patents, does that implicate the same
interests?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
A: would think of patent as privilege bestowed by gov’t
rather than free speech right.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Choi: but that’s not motivating ban on human cloning.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
A: sure, that’s moralistic, and gov’t has said certain
inventions are too sensitive. Certainly a normative choice about values being
made, but the context embodies different concerns.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Choi: anonymity: do we bar it when we think the person has bad
intentions and allow it with good intentions?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Cases seem to look at intent, but anonymity is always dual-use depending
on what people are using anonymity to do.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
A: Prior restraints—limiting access to the speech—are more
troublesome than after the fact prosecutions for things like using anonymizing
technologies.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Scope and scale of damage
that could happen in the future is on a new level, so we should be prepared.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Kevin Bankston: concerned that standard systemically
disfavors young, inexperienced, amateurs who participate in hacker subculture—assumes
access to reputable public forum; assumes that jury will believe that DefCon is
a reputable forum (M. says it’s covered by the press making it public and thus
favored) when a prosecutor could show jury a lot to convince that it’s
disreputable; junior folks can’t get slots at DefCon. Ironically these young
people are the ones who eventually become experienced professionals.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Scarce specialized knowledge—again, expert v.
novice.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Disclosure of zero-day by expert
v. reuse by novice. Would distinguish use of exploit from publication; wouldn’t
otherwise punish publication by amateur.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Standards also favors disclosure of the most damaging
speech, to the extent that well-known vulnerabilities are less damaging than
unknown zero-day vulnerabilities. Assumes you can meaningfully talk to company;
also assumes you have a lawyer, because you definitely shouldn’t talk to a
company whose program you have a security exploit for without being worried
about being sued or having a prosecutor sicced on you. If you’re not willing to
work for free, they say you’re extorting them—we saw that at EFF.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Lawyer might help you get the boilerplate
statements of purpose, whereas teenager will have more inchoate motivations and
be less articulate; may just want to show how awesome s/he is.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Ed Felten has a credible track record on his
purpose; teenager won’t.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This test will
therefore disfavor the population most in need of protection.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Wants a factor to way the harm of the speech and the value,
though maybe they cancel out—a vulnerability at a nuclear plant is very important
to know but also very risky.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
A: Admits the approach isn’t perfect. As to novices, there’s
something to be said for creating a structure to encourage junior people to
talk to senior people and to build an ethic around care. Not a fan of the
16-year-old trying to be leet and dropping zero-day exploits.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Should build knowledge that they could cause
real harm.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Good idea to encourage access
to EFF; researchers should be represented by counsel. Companies don’t
necessarily have great reporting channels. If you have a track record of
attempts to report, cooperate, work with owner of vulnerable code, that’s an
attempt at mitigation; creates a record of reasonable conduct that would vote
in favor of protecting speech even if there wasn’t successful mitigation.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Bankston: but the primary mode of mitigation you recommend
would require obtaining counsel before you speak, because otherwise you can get
sued/FBI set on you.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
A: that’s why we need 1A protection.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If company calls the FBI and starts
prosecution, that’s an attempted mitigation that was cut off by the company.
(How do you distinguish that from extortion, anyway?)&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Was the desire to fix the problem or to cause
harm?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Sensitivity of the information and
likelihood of repurposing makes putting a burden on the speaker more
acceptable.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Kaminski: helpful to give statutory frameworks to
operationalize the intent.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Bankston: if the mitigation attempt is meant to be a proxy
for intent, recognize that there are legit reasons not to attempt to mitigate
in the way you suggest, given the legal risks you may be taking by attempting
to communicate w/the company.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
A: another way might be that you wrote the exploit in a way
that shows the vulnerability but isn’t the easiest way to cause harm.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Types of conduct that could logically be
viewed as a form of attempted mitigation.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Ashutosh Bhagwat: several of the factors point in both
directions: the publicness of the forum increases the risk of harm;
specialization of knowledge also increases the risk of harm; how should a court
figure out what’s positive?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Understands
difficulty with trying to do this, but these factors have strong built in
normative assumptions such as the reputation of the forum. Whether DefCon or
Wikileaks is a reputable forum depends on whether you think information should
be free.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
A: look at whether press covers it; whether gov’t goes there
to recruit employees—demonstrates credibility.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Bhagwat: credibility to &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;whom&lt;/i&gt;?
That’s highly subjective.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Needs greater
defense of your definition of reputation.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Understand why you don’t want to measure value of speech in abstract,
but when building assumptions about acceptable use of knowledge, not sure it’s
possible to fully avoid that.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
A: scarcity: drives value of information in markets. But
here, info already in existence out there, republishing increases likelihood of
misuse for criminal purpose. If your speech is critical new info that could
improve a system (or harm it!) you take on a greater risk by being the lone
wolf who howls.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Often there’s only one
person who sees the vulnerability.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Many
researchers do desire to do the right thing by coming forward; want to create
an environment that makes attempted responsibility easier.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
RT: how &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; you
distinguish your mitigation from extortion?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
A: fact intensive.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Call the company and say “you have a problem, I can help.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If they have a track record of being Ed
Felten, that’s more credible.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If
presentation has been accepted at conference—Bankston steps in to say they’ll
sue to stop the presentation—but then M. says the info will come to light in
the court case—Bankston says it would be more fully into light if the
presentation had happened.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;A: if you
deal with a company that litigates, then do something else to minimize possible
negative effects of your speech (like what?).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Desire to help v. desire to line pockets.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(But I’m stuck on the question of why you can’t
do both—the “security researchers are being directed to work for free” point is
very compelling, it seems to me.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Piety: in other areas, often see arguments crafted around
knowledge of law.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Bankston’s concern is
maybe some of the most positive work comes from people least knowledgeable of
the law.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
A: Even if you fail one prong, still have three out of four;
err on side of protecting speech.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Christina Mulligan: mitigation and public forum suffer both from heavy reliance on existing reputation of the individual being such a big factor--being Ed Felten is ok, but sketchy people are two hops from Felten.&amp;nbsp; Unconnected/new people will have trouble.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Bankston: overall concern is that, though you want to err on the side of the speaker, you are starting with what the speaker can do rather than with what the gov't can do and you seem to create a default rule that vulnerability speech is unprotected unless you follow a rather specific path, which seems unprotective/chilling. So what should Congress do/not do?&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
A: not a specific model, but encouraging thought about implications/norms of community.&lt;/div&gt;
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Speak&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Caroline Mala Corbin, &lt;a href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2258742"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Compelled
Disclosures&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Discussant: Amy Kapczynski: Brennan-Marquez’s case starts
with graphic warnings for cigarettes, struck down as inappropriate compelled
speech because these images were emotionally laden and not limited to factual
information.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Thesis: false symmetry
between right to speak and right to be free from speaking.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Right to free speech is democratic and
autonomy, whereas right not to speak rests only on autonomy values. The main
payoff: corporate speakers lack autonomy/personhood interests and therefore the
tobacco case is wrongly decided.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Autonomy as the capacity for conscience: can only be fulfilled by
entities that have that capacity; sometimes people who aren’t corporations will
not be speaking in a matter that implicates this capacity for conscience as
well.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Concludes: only sustain challenge to compelled corporate speech
when it constitutes functionally a ban on the right to speak.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Corbin covers the tobacco case but also abortion “informed
consent” requirements that make doctors show women ultrasounds, listen to fetal
heartbeat, disclose “facts” as well as disclosure requirements (struck down)
that pregnancy crisis centers disclose that they don’t provide abortion
services.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Sets out a four part test for
when compelled speech can’t be allowed: chilling speech; distorting speech
(introducing falsehoods or misleadingness; it might not be clear it’s gov’t
speech; compelling professional speech is commandeering professional
credibility in order to have an impact on the speech market); autonomy of
listeners—paternalism or exploitation of cognitive limitations to work our
biases; gov’ts are allowed to be paternalistic if they’re
autonomy-enhancing.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Corbin argues that the cases are all wrong: tobacco
disclosures should have been fine; mandatory abortion disclosures should not
have been; pregnancy crisis center disclosures should have been fine.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Critical moves: gov’t isn’t making false
statements in the tobacco context, nor working cognitive biases impermissibly.
Courts disagreed with Corbin’s presentation of what counted as “true” in
abortion and tobacco cases.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Constructed
a tortured version of the truth value of the abortion statements, and disagreed
about the emotional value of the images—might have to go image by image to
decide.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Addiction as autonomy-degrading,
making intervention on tobacco more justifiable.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Questions: Autonomy, as Post has argued, doesn’t make a lot
of sense in the 1A context.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Gov’t
compels speech all the time—honor code as student; disclosing certain info
about patients.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Who counts as a commercial speaker?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Commercial speech v. speaker—corporate entity
v. person.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Corbin argues that corporations
can’t have autonomy interests, but Brennan-Marquez may have noncorporations
without autonomy interests in speaking because of their roles.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;So who doesn’t have autonomy? Can a
corporation never have an autonomy interest? Are there other collectives that
do have autonomy interests?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Compare interests about paternalism: there is a universe of
arguments about protecting women from abortion as enhancing their autonomy
because the world is pushing them to abort.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Why not agree with the autonomy-enhancing structure of the argument, if
we assume (as the court did) that the statements required to be made were true.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Corbin: two separate reasons why autonomy isn’t implicated
in cigarette disclosures. Corporations don’t have a conscience. Commercial
speech is protected for the benefit of the listener, not for the speaker.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Might also extend to other entities, though
more complicated for nonprofits.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Cigarettes: 90% of smokers wish they could quit; can’t say
the same with abortion, that women who want an abortion would be better off
without having one.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
In terms of manipulating viewers, court’s assumption in
smoking case that appeals to emotion were automatically problematic was wrong.
Appeals to emotion aren’t automatically problematic—turns on assumption that
ideal decisionmaker is completely rational.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;That’s inaccurate descriptively as a matter of the science of
decisionmaking, nor is it normatively sensible.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;That doesn’t mean all uses are problematic.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;So when is provoking emotion ok?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Distinction between persuasive and
manipulative. Not wed to the line I try to draw: appeals to emotion are ok
unless trying to exploit cognitive biases—intention to take advantage of
systematic errors in decisionmaking.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Brennan-Marquez: using &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Reynolds&lt;/i&gt;
as a departure point to conceive of the relationship between different kinds of
rights to speak/not speak.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Even if a
speaker has a right to produce meaning, doesn’t necessarily confer a right to
resist meaning. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Compelled physician speech: often runs into issues of what’s
factual and not; when the content seems nonfactual and false, it’s not clear we
need to reach the analytical question of whether there’s a 1A problem
conscripting the doctor—the state lacks &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;any&lt;/i&gt;
interest in broadcasting false information to women.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
To the extent that commercial speakers have a right to
speak, chilling commercial speech isn’t the same as a regulation that compels
them to broadcast the gov’t message—that begs the question of the shape of the
right, so he’s comfortable distinguishing &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Sorrell&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
James Grimmelmann: Analogy between corporations and
computers?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Entity not capable of
autonomy, but used by people to communicate ideas.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Operated by single person/small group—when
gov’t says you have to disclose commercial ties; the gov’t requires you to
place a particular ad in a particular place; the gov’t requires you to
advertise ham though it’s a Jewish search engine.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Corbin: it’s not the only question you ask about 1A: chill
and distortion and listeners’ autonomy may be implicated even if the computer
has no autonomy right to speak. Do you impute programmers’ rights to the
computer? That’s a separate question.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Legally,
a corporation is not the alter ego of the owners.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Because we’ve insisted on distinction for
liability purposes, it makes sense to say these are distinct legal entities for
legal rights.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Brennan-Marquez: compelling speech of the machine seems
unproblematic to him. But there’s a difference between compulsion in commercial
context that requires carrying gov’t message and invites responses from that
commercial speaker itself and the search engine context where speech is
zero-sum in a sense. Compelling results first means that the programmer no
longer has the autonomy to run its own algorithm. So this is about when a
compulsion circles around to constructive prohibition.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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RT: I wish I could believe that we can all agree that women
who want abortions can’t be told you’d be better off without one, but the
concerns expressed are not entirely for their later health, or at least not
just for their physical health.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Scrutiny
of gov’t’s ability to find facts is where all the action is, and where we might
want deference unless we can found the scrutiny in some specific constitutional
right (like reproductive rights). Many women experience abortion as a
regrettable necessity—what makes that different from addiction?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Especially since the graphic image isn’t really
designed to get the addict to quit—Christine Jolls has a very good paper
empirically investigating what the image can and can’t do.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Persuasive/manipulative also impossible to sustain—it’s
heuristics all the way down.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Look at
studies on how risks are presented: presented one way, people pay more
attention to the risk, the other way they pay less attention. Which is the
persuasive way and which is the manipulative way?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Similarly, disclosures are zero-sum: less package real
estate to create the emotional connections the TM owner wants to create, so Brennan-Marquez’s
distinction seems unsustainable to me.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Reynolds made that very same constructive chill argument.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Corbin: paternalism concern—if gov’t is just requiring
disclosures clarifying misleading ads/facts otherwise unavailable, most of us
unworried. More uncertain when facts might be persuasive, when persuasive here
means &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;trying&lt;/i&gt; to make you act in a
particular way (as opposed to informing you, presumably with the awareness that
it might make you act in a particular way). But not all attempts to persuade
are the same. So which are acceptable and unacceptable?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Is it trying to persuade you to do something
you’d do anyway?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Paternalism = gov’t
knows better than you do.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If soup can
ingredients are persuasive—gov’t mandated disclosure lets you avoid soup you
wouldn’t have want to buy anyway.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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Kapczynski: If you take gov’t facts as true, the fetus does
have a heartbeat.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Corbin: but if the gov’t is trying to convince you something
you disagree with, that’s the source of resentment—people resent the cigarette
warnings too (I think that cuts against her argument). General social consensus
that smoking is better avoided (I think that’s also true of abortion in many
circumstances, though).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Some people may
still find the smoking disclosures paternalistic, if their smoking is
rebellious. Can’t make the argument that abortion disclosures are
nonpaternalistic—there’s no consensus that abortion is always in the worst
interests of women.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Not all paternalism
is problematic.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Kapczynski: so can the gov’t require disclosures that big
sodas make you fat?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Corbin: can draw the line in different places.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Some heuristics are more problematic than others.
Advertisers are masters at manipulative heuristics.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Affective priming. Associate product with
preexisting positive association—sell you a toaster w/beautiful toaster v. sell
you a toaster by draping beautiful woman over toaster.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;That latter is exploiting affective
heuristic. It’s intentional.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Example of
exploiting errors that we make.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
RT: but that’s b/c there’s no fact-based connection between
the woman and the toaster. And there is between the cigarette and the diseased
lung &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; between the fetus and the
sonogram.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Corbin: but the wanted pregnancy is different—it’s like
connecting the woman and the toaster. Ultrasound has a very particular social
meaning in our culture, that is neither inevitable nor universal—it has the
meaning of a wanted baby, though not in other cultures.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Jane Bambauer: don’t diseased lungs also have social
meaning?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Corbin: the sonogram is not a picture of fetal development,
but culturally it is a representation of a wanted baby; heartbeat means
life/love.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;So the attempt is to create
the fetus as wanted baby, mapping social meaning onto the fetus—affective priming.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;To Corbin, that amounts to manipulation.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Brennan-Marquez: Zero-sum: spatial and temporal constraints
means that there will be some tradeoff no matter what. But there are lines to
be drawn.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Pruneyard: giving space to
pamphleteers in shopping mall takes up some space that now can’t be used for
other messages, but we have conception of information production through time
that allows for proliferation of ideas and messages—inherent corrective in way
that might not be true of search engine.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Felix Wu: Autonomy of listeners—is that a collective
interest or an individual interest? Couldn’t quite see how we connected
consensus to autonomy.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Maybe cigarettes
are easy, but what sort of consensus are we looking for?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Corbin: thinks of it as individual.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If gov’t is trying to convince you to do
something you want to do anyway, that’s not paternalistic.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Balkin: most schoolchildren aren’t Jehovah’s Witnesses, so
can you make them salute the flag?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Corbin: implicates other concerns about forced speech.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;How do you know when the individual interest
has been implicated?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Can’t be done on
person by person basis, so best alternative is to look for social consensus.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Brennan-Marquez: what if there was a consensus on abortion
being bad for women?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Would it change
your analysis?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Corbin: would still find distortion of discourse—other factors
would still matter. State is imposing its own ideology as it doesn’t do for any
other medical procedure.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(This strikes
me as a reproductive rights objection rather than a 1A objection.)&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Would still be paternalistic even if there
was a consensus.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Jason Mazzone: what if the gov’t’s message was “there’s an
absence of consensus on the long-term effects of abortion on women’s health”?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Corbin: still thinks that’s wrong.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Mazzone: Congress found it.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Corbin: some of these claims are just made up; others are
incredibly misleading.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;There’s an
association between abortion and suicidal ideation—it’s ridiculous to say that
this is just a disclosure of a correlation, since no one receives it that way.
Claim about you’re taking the life of a whole human being—that’s an ideological
statement. Some “facts” are not facts.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Mazzone: so what about “a substantial number of &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;people believe that you’re about to murder a
human being.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Corbin: that’s a factual statement, but that doesn’t make it
ok.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It’s a persuasive statement, and there
are some circumstances where the gov’t shouldn’t be doing that.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(But they do a lot with
drugs/supplements/etc.—again, this strikes me as an objection founded in the
constitutional right to choose abortion.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Mazzone: this reflects a slipperiness that seems related to
normative commitments that show in the paper; thinks it needs more. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
For Brennan-Marquez—how do categories of corporations and
noncorporations map onto how speech is delivered in the modern context?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Who is it you’d allow the gov’t to conscript
to disseminate its message? If I write about politics &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;and &lt;/i&gt;review products on my blog and there’s an affiliate link and I
advertise and I incorporate, can I be required to speak in particular ways?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
If you allow gov’t to conscript people, what are the
mechanisms to make clear that this is gov’t speech?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Should we require gov’t to pay for the ad
space?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Brennan-Marquez: distinguish between your capacity as
political/expressive speaker and as a commercial speaker.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It depends on what kind of compulsion!&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Gov’t can require you, near your ads for a
regulated product, to put the gov’t disclosure related to that product—burdens you
only in your capacity as a commercial speaker.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;We can imagine websites where this is unclear, but it turns on the type
of compelled disclosure.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;There might be
some that has quasi-ideological content and quasi-factual.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;We can distinguish in first instance between
you speaking as expressive agent and you speaking commercially.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Kapczynski: incorporation isn’t the key here.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Brennan-Marquez: the corporation doesn’t need a conscience
to have an interest in expressing viewpoints.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;But it can be compelled to speak commercially at least.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It’s because there’s commercial speech going
on (and therefore not about incorporation?).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Mazzone: the blog that accepts ads is compelled as long as
there’s a nexus between the commerciality and the compelled speech.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Brennan-Marquez: yes. That’s the meaningful difference
between commercial disclosure and gov’t’s ideological opinion. The test is to
ask whether a compelled commercial disclosure is acceptable.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
(But what about the unincorporated blogger with affiliate
links who gets valuable free stuff in return for reviews? The FTC regulations
purport to require disclosure of at least some of her activities.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Is that constitutional under this scheme?)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Kapczynski: so a corporate speaker can’t be compelled to
speak about noncommercial issues.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But it
still lacks a conscience.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;So why does
the corporate speaker have some right against compulsion?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Brennan-Marquez: if we’re thinking about compelled
ideological disclosure—bloggers have to have a banner saying “guns kill people,”
we’d ask whether this was commercial or ideological speech. As compelled
ideological speech, does the speaker have a claim to the capacity for and
exercise of conscience, and my first claim is that a corporation doesn’t. In
blogging, we can tie it back to the human speaking not the corporation. If the
gov’t wanted the same mandate on the cigarette cartons, that’s a difficult
case.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Kapczynski: but I know that Rachel Maddow’s blog is not just
written by Rachel Maddow.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Brennan-Marquez: there are also concerns about audience interest
and distortion problems. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Corbin: would encourage disclosure of speaker’s objection to
gov’t message—that helps correct distortions in that people trust doctors more
than the gov’t.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
RT: A fact is a fact.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;It is not a government fact.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The
FDA requires certain disclosures about supplements—if you said “we disagree
with the FDA” on the label, I would expect some objection.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;You don’t get to advertise shark cartilege as
good for cancer, no matter how much you disagree with the FDA.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Compare the classic lawyer advertising case:
it would be bizarre to say that the only allowed disclosure is one that says “&lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;the gov’t requires us to tell you&lt;/i&gt; that ‘fees’
don’t include ‘costs,’ which you’ll be liable for even if you lose.” The
problem was that the use of “fees” misled consumers.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Kapczynski: so isn’t there tension b/t that stance that
disclosure of gov’t source isn’t required and deference to gov’t in finding
facts?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
RT: no, it’s just a big gov’t.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Balkin: Nexus requirement?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Disclosure should be germane to the particular transaction.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Kapczynski: if you’re an NGO delivering safer sex information,
can you be required to give the gov’t’s message that prostitution is wrong?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Brennan-Marquez: esp. in the funding context, might be bad
policy, but not unconstitutional.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Leslie Kendrick: regret as a legally significant thing?
Kennedy says women’s putative later regret of abortion has constitutional
meaning. We don’t do that with the right to vote just because one might regret
a vote.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Corbin’s argument is that in
compelled disclosure it might be relevant; if people regret they started
smoking, they might want some disclosures about risks up front.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(So then we can further concentrate fault in
them and not in the providers of the relevant products/services?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is a really interesting point and I don’t
think Kendrick is going this direction, but it makes me think about
individualism and the way that we use disclosure to offload responsibility on individuals
when the overall conditions are created by social structures.)&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Regretting abortion in the sense of
regretting having the abortion v. having a child they didn’t plan to have or
regretting the necessity of the abortion—this is very hard to judge.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Even if turns out that women regret having an
abortion, that might not be relevant—that might be a good argument for putting
an ultrasound on a condom package or a wine bottle, but the abortion is the
wrong point to intervene in the nature of the regret.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Corbin: there’s no study showing women regret abortion more
than they regret giving birth to an unwanted child.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Instead it’s an assumption that women are
incapable moral decisionmakers.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Can
imagine a world in which informed consent for all medical procedures included
discussion of nonmedical consequences and moralizing about the nature of the
procedure, but that’s not our world.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Adding layers for one procedure is reflecting a belief about women’s
capacity and a belief that regret would only be natural.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(These strike me as further good arguments
about reproductive rights, but not 1A rights since gov’t can address different
kinds of problems—cigarettes are unique too and that’s often given as a special
reason to regulate them.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Kendrick: open-ended persuasiveness and end-determined
persuasiveness. Disclosure is always when the gov’t thinks it will have some
impact on decisions. But you want to distinguish where the gov’t wants you to
make a particular decision.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Gov’t has no
interest in what decision you make, but just wants you to make the best
decision for you.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(But tobacco and
abortion disclosures slot into the same end-determined category as far as I can
tell; you can tell a story about wanting people to understand the risks before
they proceed in both cases, but in neither is it particularly persuasive.)
Other contexts like sterilization do define informed consent—reproductive rights
organizations were instrumental there b/c they thought it was important to
think hard about the consequences of sterilization.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Bryan Choi: commercial speech v. speakers.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If artificial entities don’t consciences,
commercial speech is directed at the public, but other areas are also
implicated—incorporation documents require certain disclosures. 5&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;
Amendment: artificial entities don’t have a privilege against
self-incrimination, also rooted in conscience.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Anything can be ideology; if a sale happens to be involved, is that the
test about which you’re concerned?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Corbin: there are lots of considerations in compelled
speech, such as chill.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Interests of
speaker are sometimes present and sometimes not.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Doctrine is unclear about commercial/noncommercial,
fact/ideology. Look at first principles: why do we care about compulsion?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Fewer reasons to care with corporation.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Brennan-Marquez: definitely what I’m concerned about.
Distinction between types of entities rather than speech is important.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The hard case for him: Reynolds being
required to put ideological message on cigarette carton.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;They have no right of conscience to resist
this, but 1A is implicated maybe because of the audience distortion if messages
aren’t disclaimed as coming from the gov’t.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Another problem is constructive chill on the part of the corporate
speaker.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If FDA says Reynolds can’t put
anything on the carton, that is too much.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;(Plain packaging?)&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If the amount
of disclaiming required to distance the speaker from the message requires too
much diversion from the speaker’s own speech, that’s too much—that’s a way to
explain &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Zauderer&lt;/i&gt;—it’s much easier to
distance yourself/you don’t need to distance yourself since it’s just a factual
disclosure.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But that means a fuzzy line
between ideological and factual/commercial disclosures.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Seana Shiffrin, Lying and the Law&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;


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Discussant: Jack Balkin&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Chapter of book on sincerity and law. The big idea is that
the pure lie, the lie whether or not it deceives, whether or not the thing
stated is true, but merely a lie in the sense that the person believes/knows
her statement to be false, should receive no protection under the free speech
principle (which can be distinguished from the 1A).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;It undermines a particular kind of social
practice which is necessary to who we are as a people: a practice in which we
say things to each other and believe that others believe them—the warrants each
of us gives engaging in testimonial speech. Much social and moral life is based
on relying on other people to tell the truth. An economy of warranted
representations undermined when people lie, even when what they say is actually
true or even when they don’t deceive.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Millian argument: lying helps us see the truth—but Mill wasn’t talking
about deliberate lying, but rather error.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Coda: on a different set of political values, accommodation:
reservations about legal regulation of pure lie that emanate from concerns
about equality, fraternity and toleration. Roughly speaking, the notion that we
understand ourselves to be fallible human beings who make mistakes. Given that,
others are equally human, so accommodation and toleration mean that we don’t
demand of others everything we might. There’s good reason to apply this idea
generally, especially when people lie about who they are and where they came
from. Might not apply when businesses/institutions lie because they don’t give
rise to the same considerations.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Key idea: there is damage that lying creates to the
collective testimonial framework. Thus the argument that lies don’t harm
particular individuals is not relevant, given the structural harm. Not an
empirical argument, so the demand for causal proof is inapposite. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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So why is it not empirical?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;If we looked for empiricism, we’d have something like Gresham’s law (bad
money drives out good) or Akerlof’s &lt;a href="https://www.iei.liu.se/nek/730g83/artiklar/1.328833/AkerlofMarketforLemons.pdf"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;market
for lemons&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, where credibility decreases for everyone. But the nature of the
transaction is different—it’s more about the used car salesmen than the cars;
you trust everyone you deal with less because of lying.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But that’s an empirically verifiable
hypothesis about asymmetric information, and there are some conditions under
which it works and others in which it doesn’t. If this is instead a
deontological claim about moral duties, then it’s puzzling because arguments
like Shiffrin’s arguments about counterspeech appeal to effects.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Great argument why these bans aren’t content based under
current doctrine. One could argue that defamation law is content based, but if
defamation is like Shiffrin’s argument about truth-telling—public discourse is
sustained by people’s ability to say things without being defamed (or even
privacy is sustained by such an ability)—then it should look content-neutral
too.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But the doctrine doesn’t work that
way presently.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;What she says about lying
has broader implications for 1A law.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Shiffrin says suppressing pure lies don’t violate the free
speech principle. But a general antilying rule would invite
discretionary/arbitrary prosecution. Maybe civil fines/actions would be more
appropriate. Higher proof principles (as in defamation of public figures).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Need for accommodation and tolerance
too.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;She produces a set of rules that
looks very similar to what you’d get under 1A doctrine: lies generally
protected unless there’s individualized harm.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Comes out close to doctrine today.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;So maybe the 1A is not the free speech principle, but rather contains a
number of other values along with that: accommodation and tolerance; we already
know the 1A concerns state overreaching; etc.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Shiffrin: Not primarily an empirical argument because the
core argument is that when people lie they give you a reason to stop believing
testimonial warrants, so what is produced is a reason rather than an
effect.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The damage is not the
effect.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;For the state to act to
prevent/express its displeasure at a practice that reduces/eliminates reasons
for believing testimonial warrants doesn’t have to show citizens become cynical
and disbelieving. When the liar reduces the reasons you and I have to accept
testimonial warrants, they put us in a position where we have to gather particularized
knowledge about person and conditions under which she’ll misbehave—particular epistemic
burden to engage in empirical research rather than accepting each other’s
testimonial warrants. This happens whether we know it or not. Either we respond
to it or we accept warrants irrationally.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Balkin: but couldn’t Akerlof say the same thing?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;He’s discussing asymmetrical information.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Shiffrin: yes, it’s a model. The reasons we have to respond
to models differ in different contexts. In the economic market, where we are
interested in getting goods distributed well, it may be that actual reactions
are more important than knowledge. I’m arguing about what epistemic reasons we’re
entitled to have and not whether we manage to navigate through the world
without adequate reasons because we have other empirical guides to what’s
relevant/not relevant. Car market v. moral relations—treating people as other
humans rather than anthropological units. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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My main argument about counterspeech is that uncovering the truth
doesn’t restore the reliability of the speaker and others who supply
testimonial warrants, though as to whether the listener is at risk with respect
to the accuracy of the content, that will depend on empirical facts.
Counterspeech in general suggests we should move from relying on what people
say to an empirical investigation of whether they are trustworthy, and that’s
an epistemic loss.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Not as confident about extension to defamation law. Because
defamation law requires that you show that the speech is false, that’s a form
of identification by content and discrimination by content. We don’t seem
bothered by that, so why so pressing in &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Alvarez&lt;/i&gt;?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;She doesn’t think the regulation of the lie
turns on actual falsity, but all deception law—which we have a lot of—is content-based
if you think that having to show that proposition uttered is false is a form of
content discrimination. She doesn’t actually think regulating pure lie is
content based, but doesn’t care much unless it involves a certain kind of gov’t
effort by intent, effect or targeting to restrict/punish people for engaging
with ideas and attempting to engage them sincerely, and content based/content
neutral distinction doesn’t always do that work.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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1A v. free speech principle—less confident that worries
about gov’t abuse are really outside the free speech principle, because they
encompass concern for abuse that hinges upon attempts to stifle speech.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Accommodation principle is more about
acknowledging shared defects in our moral character that happen in this case to
be about what we say but don’t have to be.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Vincent Blasi: we have a system of epistemic reliance, but
also public reliance on officials.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;NYT
v. Sullivan principle is costly in that way; perhaps the tradeoffs are worth
it. But isn’t there a reason to think that the balance is not as lopsided as &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Sullivan&lt;/i&gt; said. Or is there a qualitative
difference in the epistemic value of sincerity v. competence?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Shiffrin: duties of accuracy are different. Requirement not
to deceive is founded in duty to take care w/r/t each other’s beliefs.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;When appropriate, ensure what another walks
away with is accurate. That’s at the bottom of a lot of defamation issues when
they turn on what’s false rather than on sincere representation of what speaker
believes to be true.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Doesn’t have a
particular theory across contexts on how strong duty of accuracy is. Should be
fairly strong for press, which represents itself as expert, and have some
privileged access that common citizen doesn’t in scrutiny of gov’t.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Still comfortable with NYT privilege, though
it would still be wrong for the press to abuse it.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Sincerity argument may well extend to political discourse. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Balkin: political lie is more important from the shoring up
trust standpoint than the lie about the used car. Response is wariness about
partisanship, favoritism, corruption and undermining of fairness. Value comes
from democracy/rule of law than conception of free speech.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;1A as overlapping set of
political/moral/other considerations.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Shiffrin: Agrees that in order to assess whether regulating
political lie would be good idea you’d have to look at culture produced by the
regulation.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Balkin: you’re about what we owe to each other, I’m talking
about culture.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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S: we owe to one another a particular kind of culture that
stimulates freedom of thought. But we do have to look at culture can have a
well-crafted legal regime that won’t undermine free and robust discussion of gov’t.
Whether we’re capable of that may vary according to time and place although the
underlying principles don’t vary.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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There are a variety of different arguments contributing to
our understanding of free speech/1A, but less confident that they aren’t
principled or capable of principled ordering.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Adam Kolber: why regulation of lying might be content
neutral: as I understood it, you said lying was about the relationship to the
expression, so two people could say the exact same thing and one is sincere and
the other not.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The fact that only one is
regulated would be a reason to find content neutrality.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;How to apply to other kinds of attitudes: one
person might speak ironically and the other not?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Shiffrin: I’d want to know the motive for regulation.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;A content neutral regulation can be assessed
by target, purpose, and effect.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Right to
say that the intrinsic relation between speaker and utterance need not be
content based though it may be as when identity of speaker determines meaning
of statement. Ability to speak ironically is important to express self.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But doubts that ability to represent self
insincerely is essential aspect of ability to externalize mental content.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Might have a problem on effect side as well
as purpose side if you’re regulating irony.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Why would we care about difference between content based and neutral
regulation? Because content based captures main concerns about regulating
speech. If I were able to show that those concerns were implicated by irony
regulation, that should be enough; not interested in tracking doctrine.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Alexander Tsesis: When a physicist speaks about string
theory, they know they’re fudging the numbers because the equations are too
complex.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;When we say the sky is blue, we
should know that it’s actually a multiplicity of colors.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;We say walls are solid but they’re not. Our
communications are so inexact, and we trust inexact experts, and we tell our
students there are three levels of scrutiny.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;So what’s a lie? Sometimes we’re insincere even when we know.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;People expect answers and so we answer
despite our doubts.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Shiffrin: the lie is presentation of proposition to be taken
as true objectively. But standards of truth with respect to precision vary
quite a lot according to who you’re speaking to. Requisite level of precision
to students varies from to colleagues, judges, child.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;When we have that context fixed, may you
permissibly represent what you say as true within the standards of the context
even when you believe it’s not?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;My
topics are the last part, not the interesting questions of how precision is
specified within a context and what happens when people attempt to alter the
underlying standards through their speech.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;If the string theorist speaks in the way she speaks to children to her
colleagues, then something has gone terribly wrong.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Zephyr Teachout: Past election, when Paul Ryan repeated that
Obama took $716 million out of Medicare. The story is similar to Shiffrin’s:
repeating of lies has led to nihilism in citizens’ understanding and acceptance
of information, so they make judgments not based on information.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If Paul Ryan repeats that in a speech, would
you accept a law regulating candidates’ false knowing claims about facts?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;What if it was specific to insurance
companies?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;That is, what are the
implications of allowing context/identity to affect the rules?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Could we have different standards for
SuperPACs?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Agrees it’s dangerous to bring all values inside the 1A and
make the 1A our Constitution, because it tends to put a 1A hurdle in front of
anything.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Shiffrin: Doesn’t accept the instrumental reason for
deciding whether something falls into the 1A or not. Accepts the idea that
overly rigid const’l interp. interferes w/ our legislative freedoms. Thus there
should be boundaries to the entire const’l structure. But is less confident
that such reasoning applies to any particular provision, especially since she
thinks application varies according to social context.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Let’s just see where the arguments go.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Putting aside the issue of the facts, let’s suppose Ryan
said something he didn’t literally believe but that is subject to contextual
better understanding.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(Balkin: Obama
reduced payments to healthcare providers, and Ryan called this a cut.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Dispute over whether this is a cut or savings
in services. Ryan also voted for these cuts twice; he liked it except that it
was Obama.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But he said “it’s a cut.”
Shows the molasses of these disputes.)&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;That’s
a better example of deception than of a pure lie.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;He’s culpable for believing it and for
believing it’s the appropriate unit of information to transmit, but my argument
isn’t about deception.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;What matters to
me is not its falsity but that he doesn’t believe it and represents it as true.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Free speech doesn’t bar regulation of that
even by politicians; would certainly think business organizations were also
covered. Gov’t abuse arguments have more sting w/r/t politicians but how that
should go depends more on political culture/barriers we can create to abuse.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
David Pozen: not whether we could regulate lies but whether
we &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;should&lt;/i&gt;. Would have to know a lot
more about enforcing prohibitions on lying. Many contexts have strong moral,
social, reputational sanctions against lying already. Would want more info on
their efficacy before knowing about whether extra regulation would be
helpful.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Paper deals with costs like
potentially sapping intrinsic motivation to be truthful; would we lose anything
by not having collective moral response calibrated on the fly about how to deal
with lies?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Something more than
accommodation and toleration may be compromized by legalizing response to lies—deliberative
process of figuring out boundaries of acceptable behavior and appropriate
punishment, if any, for lies. Something valuable happened in response to Paul
Ryan that could be lost if it moved to prosecutorial decision.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(I think this weirdly puts &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;lawmaking&lt;/i&gt; off the table as a result of a
deliberative process.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Shiffrin: I take my argument to be necessary but not
sufficient and take no position on when we should regulate the lie. These
conversations are useful too. 1A concerns may get in the way of having a larger
discussion of whether we have a problem that the law can address.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Sociologically, we’re not good at taking lies seriously. We’re
stunningly casual about accepting that others lie and that we can’t have a
healthy political culture.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Whether legal
regulation would make a difference, not certain that we have to understand
legal regulation as taking over/monopolizing our social and moral attitudes
rather than reinforcing them. Legal regulation can announce and affirm that we
think this is a serious harm that is not merely interpersonal. We’ve seen laws
play leadership roles rather than occupying morality and taking it over.
Antidiscrimination laws helped to actually give a number of people the ability
to make social claims of each other; illegality gave a reason to insist on
compliance. But the law wasn’t enough. People had to find ways to manage
problems, but the legal expression of the wrong made a difference in helping
people accept that this was their responsibility.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Look more to that model than to that for
pharmaceutical regulation, which is supposed to take off our agendas the
question “what can I ingest?”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Leslie Kendrick: Structure of project overall—relationship between
duty of sincerity and conception of freedom of speech.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Kendrick’s take: sincerity is a moral duty
that we all have, and then you’re asking whether regulating lies in the service
of this duty can be consistent w/freedom of speech.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Freedom of thought seems related to this
sincerity requirement—can you say more?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Shiffrin: duty of sincerity is rooted at least in part in
political duties to treat one another well, respond to one another as
individuals; we need to cooperate to do so, and to cooperate we have to know
what others think as they’re willing to share it. Duty of sincerity is
essential to the functioning of the economy of epistemic sharing. One of the
arguments for it is that our political obligations depend on it. So to freedom
of speech depends on those values—to become the kinds of people we have the
right and obligation to be, we have to develop as thinkers, and ability to
engage in sincere speech is an essential component of that. What underlies the
duty of sincerity underlies the duty of freedom of speech, so it’s not shocking
that they’re fully compatible even if the duty of sincerity were legal rather
than moral. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Would there be an obligation to have a legal duty of
sincerity? There certainly are freedom of speech values that depend on
sincerity, and we need a full culture of sincerity to meet our duties of
justice well. I would turn to specific questions of how regulation functions in
a sociological culture to answer whether we need legal regulation. If we can
manage w/o legal regulation we have no obligation to legalize it anyway, but is
open to argument that law would foster free speech values.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Tabatha Abu El-Haj: are you concerned we’re complacent about
lying throughout?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In personal relations,
we seem quite concerned or at least there are quite varied reactions. But in
political culture we’ve reached a place where politicians lie all the time and
don’t think they need reasons. Struggling with empirical/nonempirical divide.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Shiffrin: doesn’t mean for paper to rest on sociological
claim.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;One’s sociological views have an
influence on whether you think this is a problem or not.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Not sure we’re doing well at interpersonal
moral level—many people lie casually to friends, to corporations, when they
think it’s trivial.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;When else are they
willing to lie?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Meant accommodation argument to apply to autobiographical
speech—reasons to tolerate that weakness. But when people take on expertise,
fiduciary duties, there’s no political or legal reason to tolerate that.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Q: you can be insincere by asserting something beyond your
level of confidence: you can make a testimonial warrant and believe that it
might or might not be true.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Wouldn’t
your principle also apply to that?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Shiffrin: my position on what a lie is does extend to that—if
I say “p” but believe “maybe p,” that’s a lie. But because for legal purposes
it may be difficult to ascertain level of confidence of belief as well as level
of confidence contained in the assertion, she’d make part of the standard of
proof an active belief in the contrary.&lt;/div&gt;
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Adam Kolber, Card Counting and Freedom of Thought (&lt;a href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2138358"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;earlier
version&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;


&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Discussant: Seana Shiffrin &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Theoretical question: is freedom of thought constitutionally
protected only when connected to external expression or intrinsically connected
to the First Amendment even if a series of thoughts don’t lead to expression.
One approach: prohibitions on card counting. Playing blackjack for money is not
an obvious case of expression, but if card counting is protected, then freedom
of thought might be protected on its own.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
(1) Question of how freedom of thought is to be protected is
very interesting, but card counting regulations are coupled with commercial
activity, so our reactions may not tell us much about freedom of thought.
Though she thinks freedom of thought is intrinsically protected, she’s not
worried about prohibitions on card counting.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Look instead at state efforts to brainwash people, overwhelm capacity to
think through for example excessive noise.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Not coupled with other forms of regulable activity. So why not start
with purer cases?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
(2) Is there a free speech/thought problem with card
counting when an activity is regulable, and a thought is an intention,
component, or means to the external activity, the mental activity when
conjoined with the external activity can be regulated: insider trading, for
example, which involves use of info.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Enhanced
penalties under hate crimes statutes, where assailants used discriminatory
motives as means of picking victims; other uses of mens rea in tort law.
Freedom of thought does require vast protection for mental attitudes, but not
the same opportunity to form active intentions and reveal them in ways other
than through expression. Citizens are free to count cards, but not while and in
order to place bets.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Keeps the game fair
as the state understands fairness.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
(3) likes the proposed test that if a regulation on voiced
expression would violate the 1A then a regulation on the thought would do
so.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But if you vocalized your count you’d
be no more protected than if you silently counted. Nor would you be more
protected if you told people you were using privileged and confidential info
when buying stock.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Nor would a pedophile
on probation be ok if he told children that he was fantasizing about them
because they were nearby. The problem is the use of mental activity in pursuit
of something else, the latter of which renders it amenable to regulation:
conjunction of thought with activity; kind of thought involved (intention, use
of information) rather than mere attitude or belief.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Does share intuitive resistance to card counting
regulations.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Maybe an error theory would
help.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Not freedom of thought so much as
inchoate ideas about fair conditions of gambling. If blackjack is luck plus
skill, seems unfair to bar gamblers from using as much skill as they can
acquire, especially if anyone can develop that skill (compared to insider
agreement).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Behemoth casinos already
enjoy a protective advantage on the odds.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;As a political matter, no one’s hands in gambling are clean; gambling is
corrupt and addictive; gamblers know they’re supporting such establishments.
What most are trying to do is take money from other gamblers without productive
activity. It’s regressive redistribution. If gov’t wants to insulate casinos,
that’s typical unjust corporate subsidization and inequality. But that’s not
about freedom of thought.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Kolber: why not brainwashing?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In part because it’s relatively rare, whereas
gambling is prosaic/everyday.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;1A should
have principled stands.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Suppose we made it a crime to increase your bet based on the
attractiveness of the dealer.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This still
seems like a certain kind of thought/content discrimination, even though it’s
conjoined with a regulable activity of betting.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;It wouldn’t penalize you for increasing your bet out of pity or for some
other reason.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Presses our buttons about
thought censorship.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(But this is just &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Wisconsin v. Mitchell&lt;/i&gt;, as Shiffrin
pointed out.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Insider trading: restricting information v. methods; is that
a meaningful distinction?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Blackjack: gov’t
does enforce the idea that certain cards are face down and you aren’t allowed
to cheat to ID the dealer’s face down card—certain info is off limits, just as
insider trading is.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Mens rea in criminal law—maybe this isn’t difference.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Example of NASA engineer who realizes that
space shuttle will explode and doesn’t say anything—is he liable?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Punish him based on knowledge that he
had.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Sleeping in the park as protest—maybe
that is also relevant.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Why we might not like card counting: we can throw lots of
reasons into the bucket, nonexclusively. To the extent that we can say these
are low value laws, we might say all the more reason to worry about freedom of
thought infringements.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Restrictions on
ways consumers are allowed to process advertising would also be problematic.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Shiffrin: theory of free thought can distinguish attitudes
and beliefs from intention. If you think there’s a speech/action divide, look
at the counterparts in thought itself.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Card counting is commercial activity, not commercial speech.
Regulable under rational basis.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Kolber: does that distinguish the regulation of bets based
on dealer attractiveness?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Shiffrin: that’s just a standard antidiscrimination law.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Q: is such regulation of thought even possible?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Kolber: you can tell whether someone is engaging in card
counting by looking at the pattern of their bets.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Someone who moves from betting $5, $5, $5 to
$500 is basically certain to be counting cards. Key to what gov’t might do in
the future with brain scans.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
RT: (1) On gambling: Everyone should read Natasha Dow
Schüll, &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Addiction-Design-Machine-Gambling-Vegas/dp/0691127557/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;colid=35ZIB6F3DTZW5&amp;amp;coliid=INX8GVC0HULZR"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;Addiction
by Design: Machine Gambling in Las Vegas&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. (&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/review/R12SX3R9SPVWIC/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;ASIN=0691127557&amp;amp;channel=detail-glance&amp;amp;nodeID=283155&amp;amp;store=books"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;My
review&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Just tangential here—has
more implications for some of the other topics today, about expression via
algorithms and the uses of big data, as well as for how we conceive of the
autonomous (automaton?) individual when faced with certain kinds of
feedback/enticements; discusses also the line between deception and letting
oneself be deceived.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
(2) Small point: from the paper: “suppose a blind person
wants to hire someone to tell him what cards he is dealt. A state law
prohibiting such assistance would not only offend federal disability law, it
would also offend the blind person’s First Amendment interests.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Sadly, we don’t need a hypothetical: that’s
the DMCA.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Might look at that where the
thought is not allowed to become expression, at least not if it’s done through
technical means.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(DMCA/CFAA is also
relevant to restrictions on ways consumers are allowed to process information—debate
on whether ad blocker software is legal.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
(3) The NASA engineer—compare short sellers and repeated
attempts to ban them.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(Shows rarity of
thought regulation where the thought is not conjoined with action, whether
expressive or not.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"&gt;
Kolber: there’s enough expression in blackjack that banning
communication with a blind person about the cards would implicate the 1A.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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Suppose all freedom of thought did was allow you to have
thoughts: you could never act on it without fear of prohibition.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If gov’t were able to so restrict your life
that your thoughts could never affect your conduct, that would be troubling
from an autonomy perspective. It can’t just be thoughts in your head.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Kristelia Garcia: ok with not allowing counting devices as
unfair advantage, but the power of the mind is like the power of short-twitch
muscles—if you have it, you shouldn’t be restricted from winning, even if
steroid use can be banned. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Action v. thought: if you were counting cards to make money,
that’s different if you’re counting cards to show corruption in the gambling
industry.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Kolber: speeding as a protest to speed laws doesn’t
generally get you out of a ticket.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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David Thaw: still strikes me as observing thought at most,
regulating based on action.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;True that thought
alone shouldn’t be the only thing that’s protected. But say you had to pass an
emotion test before being allowed into a venue with children. Just because you
had a desire for children doesn’t mean you’ll act on them. The fact that you
fail the test without acting sounds more like regulating thought than this.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Kolber: this is not as sci-fi as it sounds—neuroscientists are
now saying they can determine sexual orientation.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(Of course this relies on a highly particular
and historically contingent definition of sexual orientation!)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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If you buy into Doe v. City of Lafayette, the 1A prohibits
punishment for pure thought.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Could ask
whether that has to be criminal.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;May
also be a substantive due process claim.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Rebecca Bolin: table talk is prohibited by regulation.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;That’s the rules of the game (even for people
who aren’t playing if they reveal others’ cards). You also can’t speak in other
languages.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Could be criminally enforced.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Kolber: one way to burden thoughts is to connect it to some
activity. Gov’t can’t prohibit you from fantasizing about killing the president
while playing checkers—no nexus. But &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Doe&lt;/i&gt;
allows gov’t to prevent pedophile from going to a park where there are children
and fantasizing. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Leslie Kendrick: discrimination in action will be regulable
even if it’s coupled with protected thought.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Consider other examples: contrast two tax evaders, like card counters.
The harm is denying revenue to the gov’t (rather than the house in the casino).
One blatantly lies on the return. Another, looking at the tax code, figures out
a clever but not kosher way to deal with his income, requiring a lot of
thought. Is there any difference between those two for freedom of thought
purposes? The person who develops an elaborate scheme for murdering someone v.
someone who just uncreatively pulls the trigger. It doesn’t matter how much
thought; it matters that they used thought to achieve a harmful end.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;(Indeed, the elaborate one might be more
punishable because of the possibilities of greater harm/nondetection or because
of the moral opprobrium attached to deliberate, unheated violation of the
law.)&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;That doesn’t threaten freedom of
thought—you can think elaborately without state intervention.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This isn’t a massive constraint on freedom of
thought precisely because there’s a harm principle.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Kolber: what makes card counting a harm is not winning $400,
but the thought process you engaged in to get to $400 win on this particular
bet.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;That distinguishes it from murder,
where the dead body is still there no matter what the thought process, which
only bears on level of culpability. But it only constitutes a &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;harm&lt;/i&gt; if you counted cards.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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RT: now you’re making me think of &lt;a href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1095807"&gt;&lt;span style="color: blue;"&gt;trademark
dilution, where the alleged harm is that people will start to think differently
about a trademark and value it less&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Someday they may act on that by declining to buy the trademarked good,
but we punish the diluter now to avoid the risk of action later.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Bolin: computer-enhanced thought—banning gambling devices
versus banning thought. Casey Anthony sued under the ADA to get a golf cart—Scalia’s
dissent was that it was wrong to force golf to change its rules. Relevant to
the question of who gets to set the rules of the game, especially when the
rules are incorporated into the criminal law as with gambling.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Breaking Vegas&lt;/i&gt;: a
computer that watched roulette balls and learned to bet within quadrants.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Mobile computers didn’t necessarily enhance
thoughts but did tell people how to bet.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Kolber: gov’t doesn’t usually enforce rules of game. When
can something get 1A protection when not technologically assisted but lose it
with tech assistance, as with overhearing physically v. using a directional
microphone?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But handwriting v. speaking
v. printing doesn’t get a distinction on the right to communicate what you’ve
learned.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;So we need further thought on
the device rules.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Shiffrin: psychiatric commitment. When people are
interviewed about being committed, they’re asked about suicidal/homicidal
thoughts, not behavior.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Delusional
ideation: questions about mental activity. Profile of reported mental activity
can be sufficient reason to commit a person in some jurisdictions. Also
relevant to competence to stand trial or control one’s own business affairs. &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;So we do have practice responding to thoughts
alone.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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K’s argumentis that the meaningfulness of free thought
requires a way to implement that thought. We agree that it must be
implementable through external speech.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;Environments like association and relationships should also be protected.
These are places that foster the freedom of thought. But implementing thought
outside of expression isn’t an entailment of the First Amendment. Parallel
claim: for free speech to be meaningful, you have to be able to implement what
you’ve said.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This is not a rule that we
are likely to adopt outside of other constitutional protections that secure
certain kinds of freedom of action.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Shiffrin: look at the very interesting cases about
fortunetelling.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Commercial speech doesn’t
lack for protection; can also discuss the protection for speech in commercial
contexts.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Kolber: if gov’t tried to prevent use of devices at home to
count cards, would think that violated the 1A.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;(I’m not sure I get that, other than that the harm principle would not
apply.)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Conservatism: Two Ironies of Conservative Free-Speech Jurisprudence&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Discussant: Vincent Blasi &lt;span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Rough periodization of US democratic culture: Civic
republican democracy gave way in the New Deal to pluralist interest group
democracy; less focus on the common good but also more participation of people
who were excluded from the earlier concept of republican democracy and defined
out of the common good. After WWII, gave way to consumer democracy—pluralism became
more economic and pursuit of one’s self interest was further legitimated and
elevated. Now: Democracy, Inc. characterized by political dominance of large,
often multinational, corporations.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Interest in understanding modern conservative jurisprudence.
Claim is that democratic culture developments impact conservative thought,
which then affects conservative jurisprudence. Thumbnail: these developments
led to a reaction.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;New Deal/inclusiveness
was a defeat for conservative thought; reaction took two different forms that
Feldman says are in tension. Traditionalism: call for moral clarity, but also
libertarianism: an unsteady coalition.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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If you think of the bad tendency test as about harm control,
it wouldn’t necessarily follow from civic republicanism, but if you think of it
as a deliberately nonempirical test allowing you to bring in claims about harms
such as moral harms or diminished patriotism, it’s not too much of a stretch to
ID bad tendency test with the claim that gov’t should have the authority to
regulate speech to advance moral values or police for heresy/regulate ideas as
such. It’s a huge move to go from that notion to saying that you can only
regulate ideas when properly linked to harm; something we take for granted
today. Feldman identifies this with the move from civic republicanism to
pluralist interest group democracy, which has no fixed limits to the size or
scope of gov’t; politics is about deciding and remaking the role of gov’t.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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What does consumer democracy add? Feldman’s claim is that it
takes the idea of legitimating self-interested political behavior and gives it
more an economic spin—not just competing visions of the good society, but me
first.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;This evolves into Democracy, Inc.
where small business no longer plays a significant role, nor does individual
consumer choice from a wide range of truly different options.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Much greater dominance from large economic
units, and more attention made feasible by their size to entering the political
marketplace.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Kennedy campaign was qualitatively different in use of
modern PR techniques to win an election; never been the same since.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Democratic microtargeting for Obama was a
reason (the reason?) he won.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Whether you’re
happy with that or not, it’s part of Democracy, Inc.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Feldman is troubled by the effect on conservative
thought.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Strong reaction to the New
Deal.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If your focus is the SCt, the
immediate period of New Deal dominance doesn’t involve conservative Justices.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Would like to see more evidence of
conservatives being interested in civil rights, as Feldman suggests. Cold War:
traditionalists sought moral clarity and viewed it as a war of ideas;
libertarians hated communism as big government. Tensions weren’t exposed during
this period.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Consumer democracy: Feldman misses opportunity in that
consumer democracy poses a real challenge to aspects of conservative thought;
ancient values are threatened.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Maybe the
answer was that conservative thought was still fighting the Cold War and didn’t
turn to these kinds of issues.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In the
1970s, you get conservatives on the SCt. Harlan as voice of conservatism?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;When Harlan writes &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal;"&gt;Cohen v. California&lt;/i&gt; and Bork excoriates him, is that a clash of
traditionalists and libertarians?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Are
they having an argument about how good citizens are made?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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In Democracy, Inc., conservative thought has to realign
around the values of new multinational corporatist economy, legitimating
acquisitive liberty (aka license?).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Many
conservatives no longer fear bigness, comfortable with dramatic inequalities of
wealth and of political power as part of the free enterprise system.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Holmes too was like that, not afraid of
bigness.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Criticism: where is social Darwinism in this story in the
late 19&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; century? Beginning of most powerful 1A metaphor:
competition, red in tooth and claw, now for ideas too.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Not confident on the chronology. Feldman identifies
pluralist interest group democracy with the New Deal; perhaps New Deal was
culmination, but important developments occurred in WWI, long before New Deal—that’s
where the opinions we start our 1A courses with come from. Open-ended embrace
of possible goals of/size of gov’t as an important move leading to
Brandeis/Holmes concepts of free speech.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Change of size matters: many of the earlier concepts aren’t
feasible with a big country.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Various
efforts to get people to listen to you/attract attention—whether it’s flagburning,
or spending zillions, or taking to the streets—all of that is because it’s
harder to attract attention now than in a classic New England town meeting.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Conservatives wouldn’t agree that they were trying to
strengthen democratic processes, so it’s not problematic to strengthen the
power of bigness.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;So they wouldn’t agree
that there was any irony in Democracy, Inc. Another irony that Feldman
identifies: conservatives found moral clarity in profit-seeking.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;No version of serious conservative thought is
about monism.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But acquisitive liberty is
a recent development; hard to embrace that as a matter of moral clarity, but
conservative thought has evolved to genuinely admire those whose liberty is in
acquiring wealth. Also limited gov’t is raised to the stature of a moral
principle, not an instrumental one. That’s also something new in conservative
thought.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Third, disdain for compromise.
Pluralism is all about compromise. Theoreticians of interest group politics like
Dahl, Boorstin, Dewey are about accommodating and getting along. Modern
conservative thought in quest for moral clarity has disdained compromise.
Formalism/textualism has the same quest for certitude.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Where this all leads: the tension the paper begins with
between the call for moral clarity and the call for liberty is not as acute. If
you find moral clarity not with religion or ancient ethics, but in
legitimating/leveraging wealth and limited gov’t, moral clarity and
libertarianism coexist, so there’s less reason to expect implosion in
conservative thought.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Feldman: doesn’t think of eras as completely separate—pluralist
democracy is the major transition, which then evolves in reaction to
cultural/economic changes, just as civic republican democracy had evolved
before as the conception of the common good changed. Social Darwinism was
another way to think about virtue and the common good—more racial thinking in
late 19&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt;/early 20&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; century where races were associated
with virtue.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Q: distinguish between a history and some other form of
argument. The conservative Justices now don’t all have the same beliefs. Alito
seems to vote against speech he finds outrageous.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Tamara Piety: would like to see more exploration of why
Rehnquist was such an exception not just on commercial speech but corporate
speech in Belotti.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Q: another strain here, not conservative per se but
Hobbesian that celebrates acquisitiveness. Hobbes isn’t pro-democratic. So the
Hobbesian turn in conservative free speech doctrine (e.g., Kennedy) doesn’t
recognize its own tensions with democracy.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Q: moral clarity: US v. Stevens; Alvarez; Snyder v. Phelps;
Brown v. Entertainment Associates—fervent conservative splits on issues
associated with moral clarity.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Golan v.
Holder as striking counterexample of minimal speech protection; similar to
strong federal preemption holdings—not small government when it protects big
corporate power.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Q: discuss the Chicago School more—important to the
transition in conservative thought, but not a single one makes it onto the
Supreme Court, probably because of the influence of moral conservatives.
Kennedy v. Posner: a completely different type of conservatism; a particular
kind of conservative libertarianism never made it to the SCt.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Q: different irony: acquisitive liberty is inconsistent with
much conservative Christian thought. Tension between social conservative cause
lawyers and economic liberty cause lawyers. Irony of Citizens United: promotes
liberty but diminishes moral clarity of the morality that this group supports.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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