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	<title>Comments for Aaron Silvers</title>
	
	<link>http://www.aaronsilvers.com</link>
	<description>Learning Nerd. Husband. Dad. Rocker. Cobbler. Coder. Strategist. Visionary. Hugger. Dude.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Hey, it’s March! by Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not &lt;em&gt;loving&lt;/em&gt; the green, but I'm not hating it.  I can't think of another color I would really love, but my wife really likes the color, and that's how we bought the house, so until I have a more passionate idea for color, the green/chartreuse works.  It's pleasant enough.  It's definitely nice with the sunlight during the day.

That widescreen shot is the office.  It's small. I have a little oil heater I plugged in to keep it warmer through this winter.  I'm hoping I won't need to install an air conditioner this summer, but perhaps I'll have to get a window unit.

Readernaut, and willfully putting it out there that I'm sharing my notes on my reading, is kinda the same approach as me sharing my workouts and meals -- it's keeping me (somewhat) honest.  Plus, at least I can see where I"m progressing with my reading.

Oddly, I'm making better access on the paper books than I am the kindle books on my iPhone.  Well, maybe not oddly.  It's a lot easier size/format to read and highlight.

I'm anxious to start knocking out some reading and annotating with the iPad.  I hope they make that awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not <em>loving</em> the green, but I&#8217;m not hating it.  I can&#8217;t think of another color I would really love, but my wife really likes the color, and that&#8217;s how we bought the house, so until I have a more passionate idea for color, the green/chartreuse works.  It&#8217;s pleasant enough.  It&#8217;s definitely nice with the sunlight during the day.</p>
<p>That widescreen shot is the office.  It&#8217;s small. I have a little oil heater I plugged in to keep it warmer through this winter.  I&#8217;m hoping I won&#8217;t need to install an air conditioner this summer, but perhaps I&#8217;ll have to get a window unit.</p>
<p>Readernaut, and willfully putting it out there that I&#8217;m sharing my notes on my reading, is kinda the same approach as me sharing my workouts and meals &#8212; it&#8217;s keeping me (somewhat) honest.  Plus, at least I can see where I&#8221;m progressing with my reading.</p>
<p>Oddly, I&#8217;m making better access on the paper books than I am the kindle books on my iPhone.  Well, maybe not oddly.  It&#8217;s a lot easier size/format to read and highlight.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m anxious to start knocking out some reading and annotating with the iPad.  I hope they make that awesome.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hey, it’s March! by Brian Dusablon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Dusablon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need to see more pictures of your office setup. You likin' the green? I'm remodeling mine in three weeks, need some ideas. Mainly just installing a AC unit and painting, then more shelving (for more books!) and slight change in layout.

I had a reading plan last year that I completely failed. I'm hoping you're inspiration + Readernaut + regained focus will = knowledge increase.

Always enjoy your updates.

Cheers,
Brian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to see more pictures of your office setup. You likin&#8217; the green? I&#8217;m remodeling mine in three weeks, need some ideas. Mainly just installing a AC unit and painting, then more shelving (for more books!) and slight change in layout.</p>
<p>I had a reading plan last year that I completely failed. I&#8217;m hoping you&#8217;re inspiration + Readernaut + regained focus will = knowledge increase.</p>
<p>Always enjoy your updates.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Brian</p>
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		<title>Comment on That Buzzing Sound by Philip Hutchison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Hutchison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i'm with you on that, brian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m with you on that, brian</p>
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		<title>Comment on That Buzzing Sound by Brian Dusablon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Dusablon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's becoming system overload for me. I have accounts with 30+ different web services. How do I use them? What's their purpose? How do they integrate? I look at some of these things a lot like I look at programs like Captivate. Sure, it does a lot of different things, but it doesn't do any one thing very well. Give me screenflow or Screenr or Jing, that does one simple thing very well.

I'll take 10 separate, but interoperable systems that each do their own thing very well, over 5 mashups that further cloud the environment.

As you mentioned with Wave, there is no clear definition. While I appreciate flexibility, I also appreciate definition.

This workflow might be the beginning of that definition...but I'm not sure.

I do agree that we are in store for great things, as we begin to define what we should use all these tools for, and how best to use them for specific purposes.

I also wonder if the human brain will begin to evolve to allow us to grasp the meaning more quickly, making the organization and definitions unnecessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s becoming system overload for me. I have accounts with 30+ different web services. How do I use them? What&#8217;s their purpose? How do they integrate? I look at some of these things a lot like I look at programs like Captivate. Sure, it does a lot of different things, but it doesn&#8217;t do any one thing very well. Give me screenflow or Screenr or Jing, that does one simple thing very well.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take 10 separate, but interoperable systems that each do their own thing very well, over 5 mashups that further cloud the environment.</p>
<p>As you mentioned with Wave, there is no clear definition. While I appreciate flexibility, I also appreciate definition.</p>
<p>This workflow might be the beginning of that definition&#8230;but I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
<p>I do agree that we are in store for great things, as we begin to define what we should use all these tools for, and how best to use them for specific purposes.</p>
<p>I also wonder if the human brain will begin to evolve to allow us to grasp the meaning more quickly, making the organization and definitions unnecessary.</p>
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		<title>Comment on That Buzzing Sound by Suresh Susarla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suresh Susarla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 02:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron, The proposed workflow is awesome..totally make sense. I am still waiting to jump on Buzz. Thanks to you to introduce me to Amplify. I am on it now..also like the simultaneous update feature in amplify to Twitter, posterous, etc .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron, The proposed workflow is awesome..totally make sense. I am still waiting to jump on Buzz. Thanks to you to introduce me to Amplify. I am on it now..also like the simultaneous update feature in amplify to Twitter, posterous, etc .</p>
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		<title>Comment on Popularizing a Standards Debate by Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, for some reason this ended up as Spam and that's really weird.  I also don't get email notifications from WP when I get new comments, which is kinda freaking me out... but that's all a different matter.

I, too, am interested in what Ellen (or even Tom) might say on this matter on one level, but you're taking this conversation where I wanted it to go, and I'm very happy about that.  While I don't know if any industry is functional or stable from the vantage point of having standards processes that work for all stakeholders -- we know there's a lot we can do in the learning industry, across the board, to be better.  I'm all for everyone making as much money as they can in this space, but I'm also for all of us focusing on the same goals -- which is improving the human condition. Period.

I can understand why people are hesitant to be fully transparent, because without context for it there's no incentive to do so -- there's no reason why one organization should embrace transparency if it's against their survival interests because their competitors are not transparent.  However, being open and civil to other players in the game, considering what we're all trying to accomplish, assuming the best of intentions and allowing for derivative works on the standards we put out there allows for emergent behavior that fills in a lot of gaps, accelerates incremental innovations and encourages everyone to participate and share openly about what's working.

I personally believe with all of my heart and mind that we're about to finally hit an era of accerlated growth and opportunity in the learning technology space.  If everyone can keep their wits about them and hold out just a little bit of faith, even if it feels justified to withhold it -- I think we're in for a really good ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, for some reason this ended up as Spam and that&#8217;s really weird.  I also don&#8217;t get email notifications from WP when I get new comments, which is kinda freaking me out&#8230; but that&#8217;s all a different matter.</p>
<p>I, too, am interested in what Ellen (or even Tom) might say on this matter on one level, but you&#8217;re taking this conversation where I wanted it to go, and I&#8217;m very happy about that.  While I don&#8217;t know if any industry is functional or stable from the vantage point of having standards processes that work for all stakeholders &#8212; we know there&#8217;s a lot we can do in the learning industry, across the board, to be better.  I&#8217;m all for everyone making as much money as they can in this space, but I&#8217;m also for all of us focusing on the same goals &#8212; which is improving the human condition. Period.</p>
<p>I can understand why people are hesitant to be fully transparent, because without context for it there&#8217;s no incentive to do so &#8212; there&#8217;s no reason why one organization should embrace transparency if it&#8217;s against their survival interests because their competitors are not transparent.  However, being open and civil to other players in the game, considering what we&#8217;re all trying to accomplish, assuming the best of intentions and allowing for derivative works on the standards we put out there allows for emergent behavior that fills in a lot of gaps, accelerates incremental innovations and encourages everyone to participate and share openly about what&#8217;s working.</p>
<p>I personally believe with all of my heart and mind that we&#8217;re about to finally hit an era of accerlated growth and opportunity in the learning technology space.  If everyone can keep their wits about them and hold out just a little bit of faith, even if it feels justified to withhold it &#8212; I think we&#8217;re in for a really good ride.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I’m on Voice of America by Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it went pretty well.  I've been asked to continue as a core member of the panel, so starting next week I'll be on for several more weeks at 2pm Central.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it went pretty well.  I&#8217;ve been asked to continue as a core member of the panel, so starting next week I&#8217;ll be on for several more weeks at 2pm Central.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Other Ways to Participate in #lrnchat by Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like Wave for this kind of activity - co-authoring but I don't see a lot of people building their comfort with Wave.  That's kind of how Paul and I got into that conversation -- talking about structure in Google Wave.

Buzz is interesting in some ways for this kind of activity, but I'm afraid it starts to get unmanageable when you have so many comments responding at the same time -- the interface becomes a constraint to how much you can follow, where Twitter (more like Tweetdeck or TweetChat) accomodates that rapidfire activity well.

Still... Marcia turned me onto what #journchat does for a summary.  Someone acts as moderator, favorite-ing what they feel are the big points that emerge and then they simply cull those favorites in an organized way, based on the structure of the chat.  That ultimately might be the easiest and straight-forward way of doing it.

Doesn't make it the best way -- doesn't mean you can't have a community that's interested in pouring through the tweets to derive the juice from the fruit, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like Wave for this kind of activity &#8211; co-authoring but I don&#8217;t see a lot of people building their comfort with Wave.  That&#8217;s kind of how Paul and I got into that conversation &#8212; talking about structure in Google Wave.</p>
<p>Buzz is interesting in some ways for this kind of activity, but I&#8217;m afraid it starts to get unmanageable when you have so many comments responding at the same time &#8212; the interface becomes a constraint to how much you can follow, where Twitter (more like Tweetdeck or TweetChat) accomodates that rapidfire activity well.</p>
<p>Still&#8230; Marcia turned me onto what #journchat does for a summary.  Someone acts as moderator, favorite-ing what they feel are the big points that emerge and then they simply cull those favorites in an organized way, based on the structure of the chat.  That ultimately might be the easiest and straight-forward way of doing it.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t make it the best way &#8212; doesn&#8217;t mean you can&#8217;t have a community that&#8217;s interested in pouring through the tweets to derive the juice from the fruit, either.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I’m on Voice of America by Brian Dusablon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Dusablon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did this go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did this go?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Dusablon</dc:creator>
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		<description>Buzz + Twitter + Wave...could be interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buzz + Twitter + Wave&#8230;could be interesting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Review – “Drive” by Dan Pink by Sue Hellman</title>
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		<description>This is an invitation to participate in an online conversation with Dan on Feb. 16 at 6pm Pacific time. For more information, linked images, and the link to the meeting, take a look at my PPT at http://www.slideboom.com/presentations/133968/An-hour-with-Dan-Pink</description>
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		<title>Comment on Popularizing a Standards Debate by Steve</title>
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		<description>I was thinking the same thing Ethan. I believe the future success of the IDE might be in producing alternate outputs. 

This is the problem with the anti-flash zealotry. While it's possible to build equivalents using newer browser capabilities and standards, there isn't a consistent or easy way to do some of these things using an authoring environment. I laugh a bit when I hear people say 'You can do that in X, don't need Flash for that'. Some people can, but platform to platform making it consistent is a serious pain. This is one of the powerful features of a runtime that is 'mostly' consistent.

On the flip side, there's plenty of stuff being done in Flash that doesn't need to be. Since reading the us v. them stuff about iPad and Flash the past few days I've been trying to put together a visualization.

On one side of this visualization are things (or probabilities) that shouldn't probably ever be built in Flash, on the other side are things that the browser doesn't do well by itself and have a high probability of being best implemented in a plug-in runtime (flash or other). In the middle is the gray area. I think there are a lot of misunderstandings at the heart of this debate. At the extremes there is plenty of zealotry fanning the flames. Regardless, there are likely ways to better define the situations where tools like Flash could be well employed, and when tools like Flash are doing little more than helping you to paint yourself into a corner.

I think some of these same guidelines / principles could also apply to proprietary tools like the iPad. Any encapsulated development, that doesn't future proof the content in open containers, is inherently temporary. How temporary is relative, but if we don't consider closed tools, compiled files, and disposable hardware as temporary then we're living under a magical delusion. On a device that lives on 'there's an app for that' -- double whammy --</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking the same thing Ethan. I believe the future success of the IDE might be in producing alternate outputs. </p>
<p>This is the problem with the anti-flash zealotry. While it&#8217;s possible to build equivalents using newer browser capabilities and standards, there isn&#8217;t a consistent or easy way to do some of these things using an authoring environment. I laugh a bit when I hear people say &#8216;You can do that in X, don&#8217;t need Flash for that&#8217;. Some people can, but platform to platform making it consistent is a serious pain. This is one of the powerful features of a runtime that is &#8216;mostly&#8217; consistent.</p>
<p>On the flip side, there&#8217;s plenty of stuff being done in Flash that doesn&#8217;t need to be. Since reading the us v. them stuff about iPad and Flash the past few days I&#8217;ve been trying to put together a visualization.</p>
<p>On one side of this visualization are things (or probabilities) that shouldn&#8217;t probably ever be built in Flash, on the other side are things that the browser doesn&#8217;t do well by itself and have a high probability of being best implemented in a plug-in runtime (flash or other). In the middle is the gray area. I think there are a lot of misunderstandings at the heart of this debate. At the extremes there is plenty of zealotry fanning the flames. Regardless, there are likely ways to better define the situations where tools like Flash could be well employed, and when tools like Flash are doing little more than helping you to paint yourself into a corner.</p>
<p>I think some of these same guidelines / principles could also apply to proprietary tools like the iPad. Any encapsulated development, that doesn&#8217;t future proof the content in open containers, is inherently temporary. How temporary is relative, but if we don&#8217;t consider closed tools, compiled files, and disposable hardware as temporary then we&#8217;re living under a magical delusion. On a device that lives on &#8216;there&#8217;s an app for that&#8217; &#8212; double whammy &#8211;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Popularizing a Standards Debate by ethan</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phillip, the open part of the swf standard is to write swf's. I think there is a clause in there (when you get access to the swf specs) to prevent you from building a plugin that plays back swf's.  So many tools can create swfs but only the flash player can playback the swf. That way we don't get a bunch of distros like linux that handle swfs to different degrees and whipe out consistency. 

Aaron, there is a difference betweened empassioned debate and then what is going on with html5. It has select individuals trying to dictate what they want everyone to agree to. Empassioned debate in my world means compromise at some point. I'm not sure what is good for "Us" is to commit to a standard by one guy (goole employee), and I'm not sure what is good for us is to have flash/actionscript dev be frozen in similar "empassioned debate." just my 2 cents.

So based on that I can see Adobe's concern with opening it up as a free standard if those are the types of people who join and then fracture/fork working groups. This was only to your "open up the spec and attach it to html5" idea. Well what and when is html5 set in stone?  This rolling google style beta thing will not work for a standard longterm.

IF adobe went with making it an open standard then I think a key would be to get their devs to be writing back into the webkit trunk to make sure that the browser can handle the execution well.  They already gave mozilla tamarin so they are connected there. IE will of course be a problem forever. Possibly also create some rules in the standard charter to prevent endless years of arguing and applying a more business attitude such as every 18 months we roll out an update to the standard.

Also if Adobe rolled out a hybrid compiler tool in flash/ flash builder that converted the logic into js/svg etc they could own the next generation of development. They already have a c+ compiler to AS, which i think fed into the AS to iPhone byte code app ability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillip, the open part of the swf standard is to write swf&#8217;s. I think there is a clause in there (when you get access to the swf specs) to prevent you from building a plugin that plays back swf&#8217;s.  So many tools can create swfs but only the flash player can playback the swf. That way we don&#8217;t get a bunch of distros like linux that handle swfs to different degrees and whipe out consistency. </p>
<p>Aaron, there is a difference betweened empassioned debate and then what is going on with html5. It has select individuals trying to dictate what they want everyone to agree to. Empassioned debate in my world means compromise at some point. I&#8217;m not sure what is good for &#8220;Us&#8221; is to commit to a standard by one guy (goole employee), and I&#8217;m not sure what is good for us is to have flash/actionscript dev be frozen in similar &#8220;empassioned debate.&#8221; just my 2 cents.</p>
<p>So based on that I can see Adobe&#8217;s concern with opening it up as a free standard if those are the types of people who join and then fracture/fork working groups. This was only to your &#8220;open up the spec and attach it to html5&#8243; idea. Well what and when is html5 set in stone?  This rolling google style beta thing will not work for a standard longterm.</p>
<p>IF adobe went with making it an open standard then I think a key would be to get their devs to be writing back into the webkit trunk to make sure that the browser can handle the execution well.  They already gave mozilla tamarin so they are connected there. IE will of course be a problem forever. Possibly also create some rules in the standard charter to prevent endless years of arguing and applying a more business attitude such as every 18 months we roll out an update to the standard.</p>
<p>Also if Adobe rolled out a hybrid compiler tool in flash/ flash builder that converted the logic into js/svg etc they could own the next generation of development. They already have a c+ compiler to AS, which i think fed into the AS to iPhone byte code app ability.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm looking forward to Ellen W's comments. She's posted an interesting analysis of Apple vs. Flash in the past, in terms of platform wars, and I wonder if anything's changed.

Meanwhile, about open. There are two aspects of openness being discussed:

1. Open and transparent participation in spec development vs. giving "members" a period of time, usually years, where they have advanced knowledge of the emerging proprietary standard. Open participation, even if non-paying participants can't vote on ballots, helps startups, researchers, and other impoverished innovators to bring new technology to market that integrates immediately with systems already in place.... See More

2. Unrestricted use of the standard in terms of derivative works. Again this aspect of openness takes away from the value proposition of a members-only standards consortium. Derivative works could also cause market problems if multiple versions of the standard propagate. The upside again is freeing innovators. In the case of learning technology standards, where disparate, relatively impoverished communities of practice are still trying to figure out how to make technology work in their particular context, derivations also facilitate experimentation and ultimately broad adoption. The cost of interoperability problems that result from multiple versions of the standard are minor compared to the likelihood that an accredited learning technology standards will never be adopted, ever. (There are dozens of examples of learning technology standards, each taking many man years to create, that were never implemented in a single product.)

Bottom line, the reason LETSI.org is pushing for open standards (open on both ends, as it were) stems from a belief that teaching and learning remain a technological backwater, compared to the impact the Internet has had on other aspects of our lives. Ours is not a functioning, stable industry at this point, where the traditional standards process can work well for all stakeholders. Tipping the standards tradeoffs toward openness may help learning technology evolve more rapidly, driven by innovators who need to "play without fear".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to Ellen W&#8217;s comments. She&#8217;s posted an interesting analysis of Apple vs. Flash in the past, in terms of platform wars, and I wonder if anything&#8217;s changed.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, about open. There are two aspects of openness being discussed:</p>
<p>1. Open and transparent participation in spec development vs. giving &#8220;members&#8221; a period of time, usually years, where they have advanced knowledge of the emerging proprietary standard. Open participation, even if non-paying participants can&#8217;t vote on ballots, helps startups, researchers, and other impoverished innovators to bring new technology to market that integrates immediately with systems already in place&#8230;. See More</p>
<p>2. Unrestricted use of the standard in terms of derivative works. Again this aspect of openness takes away from the value proposition of a members-only standards consortium. Derivative works could also cause market problems if multiple versions of the standard propagate. The upside again is freeing innovators. In the case of learning technology standards, where disparate, relatively impoverished communities of practice are still trying to figure out how to make technology work in their particular context, derivations also facilitate experimentation and ultimately broad adoption. The cost of interoperability problems that result from multiple versions of the standard are minor compared to the likelihood that an accredited learning technology standards will never be adopted, ever. (There are dozens of examples of learning technology standards, each taking many man years to create, that were never implemented in a single product.)</p>
<p>Bottom line, the reason LETSI.org is pushing for open standards (open on both ends, as it were) stems from a belief that teaching and learning remain a technological backwater, compared to the impact the Internet has had on other aspects of our lives. Ours is not a functioning, stable industry at this point, where the traditional standards process can work well for all stakeholders. Tipping the standards tradeoffs toward openness may help learning technology evolve more rapidly, driven by innovators who need to &#8220;play without fear&#8221;.</p>
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		<description>You said
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What if Flash were to become a standard?  Adobe could still monetize the IDE, much like Microsoft does with Word (yes, I know that there are several flaws with the example, roll with me a bit here), while the format each tool produces could be an open standard.
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Adobe already opened the SWF format, allowing &lt;a href="http://osflash.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;other&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://www.openlaszlo.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;entities&lt;/a&gt; to compile to SWF format. They've acknowledged they make their money from the IDE at this point, not from the Player.

I think it would be better to restate the proposal as "What if the SWF format were to become a standard that didn't require browser plug-ins?" Technically this is already possible... since the SWF format is open, browsers can be written to natively handle SWF files, just as they do SVG, canvas, and even the lowly PNG.

It's probably such a big task that browser vendors simply aren't interested in the headache. Plus, Adobe has absolute control over the Flash Platform's &lt;i&gt;features&lt;/i&gt;, even if they allow others to compile SWFs without Adobe tools. This means Adobe would have control over what browser would be required to implement in their native Flash handling. No vendor wants to be told what to do without having their own input on the matter (see canvas and SVG). I'm sure Apple's already tired of dealing with Flash Player in OS X; what's the incentive for putting it in their other products?

But, Adobe's control over the Flash platform is precisely why they've been able to innovate, much like Apple's ability to push forward because of complete control over operating system, hardware, and iWhatever mobile apps. Microsoft lags so much because (among other issues) they have to work with a bazillion hardware manufacturers.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, I just think it's a pipe dream at this point. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said</p>
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What if Flash were to become a standard?  Adobe could still monetize the IDE, much like Microsoft does with Word (yes, I know that there are several flaws with the example, roll with me a bit here), while the format each tool produces could be an open standard.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Adobe already opened the SWF format, allowing <a href="http://osflash.org/" rel="nofollow">other</a> <a href="http://www.openlaszlo.org/" rel="nofollow">entities</a> to compile to SWF format. They&#8217;ve acknowledged they make their money from the IDE at this point, not from the Player.</p>
<p>I think it would be better to restate the proposal as &#8220;What if the SWF format were to become a standard that didn&#8217;t require browser plug-ins?&#8221; Technically this is already possible&#8230; since the SWF format is open, browsers can be written to natively handle SWF files, just as they do SVG, canvas, and even the lowly PNG.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s probably such a big task that browser vendors simply aren&#8217;t interested in the headache. Plus, Adobe has absolute control over the Flash Platform&#8217;s <i>features</i>, even if they allow others to compile SWFs without Adobe tools. This means Adobe would have control over what browser would be required to implement in their native Flash handling. No vendor wants to be told what to do without having their own input on the matter (see canvas and SVG). I&#8217;m sure Apple&#8217;s already tired of dealing with Flash Player in OS X; what&#8217;s the incentive for putting it in their other products?</p>
<p>But, Adobe&#8217;s control over the Flash platform is precisely why they&#8217;ve been able to innovate, much like Apple&#8217;s ability to push forward because of complete control over operating system, hardware, and iWhatever mobile apps. Microsoft lags so much because (among other issues) they have to work with a bazillion hardware manufacturers.</p>
<p>I agree with a lot of what you&#8217;re saying, I just think it&#8217;s a pipe dream at this point. <img src='http://www.aaronsilvers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<description>The Flash/iPad deal is what it is.  Flash is still the dominant media format on the web, but even if HTML5 isn't what succeeds it, it's pointing out that there's an awful lot we used to depend on Flash for that can be replaced with other, lighter-weight measures.  So I agree with the comment about the identity crisis.  What Flash can do to improve, or what Adobe can do to improve the Flash product, I leave that now to people who full-on work with Flash -- I don't use it enough now to have a worthwhile opinion on how to improve the tool.

It would be interesting if there were enough people really animated in the LETSI community to see what a content tool would look like that fully adopted web standards AND was really usable.  I don't know that LETSI is big enough for that yet or is even the right vehicle to do that work... but LETSI is what its members make of it.  That is one of the very beautiful things about LETSI is that it will adapt to its membership while the members support common goals of interoperability and open standards allowing for derivative works.

All that said, Ethan, empassioned debate always looks like political jockeying.  If we all want to get over the politics-as-usual, we're going to all need to come to grips with the fact that many (if not all) of us are trying to do the right thing.  We lose sight of it, and it's to our discredit when we do.  Apple and Adobe are capitalistic, proprietary giants in one sense -- operating on a plane of standards that includes things like HTML5, ECMAScript, SCORM, IMS-CC and standards organizations like the W3C, ADL, LETSI, IMS, ISO, IEEE, etc.

Everybody has their own agenda.  Rather than quibble about it, we need to just accept it and re-frame the debate in terms of why what's good for "me" is also good for "you" and even better good for "us."  Whomever can make that argument the best means everybody stands to win, as long as it's an inclusive debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Flash/iPad deal is what it is.  Flash is still the dominant media format on the web, but even if HTML5 isn&#8217;t what succeeds it, it&#8217;s pointing out that there&#8217;s an awful lot we used to depend on Flash for that can be replaced with other, lighter-weight measures.  So I agree with the comment about the identity crisis.  What Flash can do to improve, or what Adobe can do to improve the Flash product, I leave that now to people who full-on work with Flash &#8212; I don&#8217;t use it enough now to have a worthwhile opinion on how to improve the tool.</p>
<p>It would be interesting if there were enough people really animated in the LETSI community to see what a content tool would look like that fully adopted web standards AND was really usable.  I don&#8217;t know that LETSI is big enough for that yet or is even the right vehicle to do that work&#8230; but LETSI is what its members make of it.  That is one of the very beautiful things about LETSI is that it will adapt to its membership while the members support common goals of interoperability and open standards allowing for derivative works.</p>
<p>All that said, Ethan, empassioned debate always looks like political jockeying.  If we all want to get over the politics-as-usual, we&#8217;re going to all need to come to grips with the fact that many (if not all) of us are trying to do the right thing.  We lose sight of it, and it&#8217;s to our discredit when we do.  Apple and Adobe are capitalistic, proprietary giants in one sense &#8212; operating on a plane of standards that includes things like HTML5, ECMAScript, SCORM, IMS-CC and standards organizations like the W3C, ADL, LETSI, IMS, ISO, IEEE, etc.</p>
<p>Everybody has their own agenda.  Rather than quibble about it, we need to just accept it and re-frame the debate in terms of why what&#8217;s good for &#8220;me&#8221; is also good for &#8220;you&#8221; and even better good for &#8220;us.&#8221;  Whomever can make that argument the best means everybody stands to win, as long as it&#8217;s an inclusive debate.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure Adobe wants flash to be at the mercy of people like those involved with html5 - http://www.cssquirrel.com/2010/01/11/comic-update-the-html5-show-aka-a-mess/

I'm concerned with the speed at which stuff gets done in a standard process. Just me but i don't trust the ego's i see over in the HTML5 dev community. They are all angling to own the process. Not much open-ness over there from what I see at all.

One thing it would do is move the flash tooling from Adobe as the top builders of the content. I could see Flash Builder really becoming that tool if it tweaks the interface a bit for smoother drawing tools etc-it has the code thing down. (little more of an artist/animator interface gui)

Maybe if Letsi was in charge of it, I'd believe it would not sink into a tar pit of political jockeying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure Adobe wants flash to be at the mercy of people like those involved with html5 &#8211; <a href="http://www.cssquirrel.com/2010/01/11/comic-update-the-html5-show-aka-a-mess/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cssquirrel.com/2010/01/11/comic-update-the-html5-show-aka-a-mess/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m concerned with the speed at which stuff gets done in a standard process. Just me but i don&#8217;t trust the ego&#8217;s i see over in the HTML5 dev community. They are all angling to own the process. Not much open-ness over there from what I see at all.</p>
<p>One thing it would do is move the flash tooling from Adobe as the top builders of the content. I could see Flash Builder really becoming that tool if it tweaks the interface a bit for smoother drawing tools etc-it has the code thing down. (little more of an artist/animator interface gui)</p>
<p>Maybe if Letsi was in charge of it, I&#8217;d believe it would not sink into a tar pit of political jockeying.</p>
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		<description>Interesting topic. I sort of see what your friend is talking about. I used to get lots of great answers from technical discussion boards/listservs. Now I don't. Because I don't post there. :) But last week I posted to Twitter and a rep from the software company emailed me an answer. I still see the point, however. Even on Twitter, I see many experts who only participate in minimal, skeptical ways. Is the problem in the way that CoPs are becoming more spreadout in where they exist online? I don't know. Instead of a problem, I think it's an opportunity to reach more people and get more people engaged. Maybe that doesn't seem as special or easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting topic. I sort of see what your friend is talking about. I used to get lots of great answers from technical discussion boards/listservs. Now I don&#8217;t. Because I don&#8217;t post there. <img src='http://www.aaronsilvers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  But last week I posted to Twitter and a rep from the software company emailed me an answer. I still see the point, however. Even on Twitter, I see many experts who only participate in minimal, skeptical ways. Is the problem in the way that CoPs are becoming more spreadout in where they exist online? I don&#8217;t know. Instead of a problem, I think it&#8217;s an opportunity to reach more people and get more people engaged. Maybe that doesn&#8217;t seem as special or easy.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the follow up link.  Key for me in that write-up is this: 



&lt;blockquote&gt;So Feynman "stopped trying to keep up with the scientific literature or compete with other theorists at their own game, and went back to his roots, comparing experiment with theory, making guesses that were all his own..." [p. 186]. Thus he became productive again, as he had been when he had just been working things out for himself, before becoming a famous physicist. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I kinda think there's room for "awareness" though.  One of the troubles going so deep on your own is that while you're increasing your personal learning, you're also potentially (and nowadays quite probably) replicating another whole set of of efforts.  You could benefit from a periodic heads-up if it was easy enough for you to see... what others are doing currently; what they've done.  It could help you focus your energies going deep in directions others haven't travelled, or travel them again with that context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the follow up link.  Key for me in that write-up is this: </p>
<blockquote><p>So Feynman &#8220;stopped trying to keep up with the scientific literature or compete with other theorists at their own game, and went back to his roots, comparing experiment with theory, making guesses that were all his own&#8230;&#8221; [p. 186]. Thus he became productive again, as he had been when he had just been working things out for himself, before becoming a famous physicist. </p></blockquote>
<p>I kinda think there&#8217;s room for &#8220;awareness&#8221; though.  One of the troubles going so deep on your own is that while you&#8217;re increasing your personal learning, you&#8217;re also potentially (and nowadays quite probably) replicating another whole set of of efforts.  You could benefit from a periodic heads-up if it was easy enough for you to see&#8230; what others are doing currently; what they&#8217;ve done.  It could help you focus your energies going deep in directions others haven&#8217;t travelled, or travel them again with that context.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Previous citation was pulled from here:

http://www.friesian.com/feynman.htm</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm going with with Feynman's philosophy: "DISREGARD."

http://screencast.com/t/Mjk5MjIxMzk</description>
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		<description>heh... the "do it with someone else" notion -- it's not like I didn't try to do it with people who are actually physically near me.  One guy on DailyBurn is, but he's literally 100lbs less than me and training for another marathon -- there's just not much we're going to do together in a gym as we're on completely separate planes (for now).

Going virtual in some ways makes it easier to do asynchronously, and you can get the visual of how they're doing and how much they're doing and that's a motivator for me.  Or a clue to kick them in the butt to do something.

I'm defintely happy about the 10lbs, but right now I feel like losing the weight is just easier -- it's the newest weight.  There's a whole lot of weight that's been around a lot longer and that's gonna be harder to take off.  Not sure of the actual biomechanics in this theory, but that's my theory.

At any rate, Steve, thank you SO MUCH for all your encouragement and support.  It is so very very needed to have the courage to stick with it through bad days to know both that people really want you to succeed; and because you're sharing what you're doing, you are accountable to others to share what's going on.  Helps keep you on the path both intrinisically and extrinsically :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heh&#8230; the &#8220;do it with someone else&#8221; notion &#8212; it&#8217;s not like I didn&#8217;t try to do it with people who are actually physically near me.  One guy on DailyBurn is, but he&#8217;s literally 100lbs less than me and training for another marathon &#8212; there&#8217;s just not much we&#8217;re going to do together in a gym as we&#8217;re on completely separate planes (for now).</p>
<p>Going virtual in some ways makes it easier to do asynchronously, and you can get the visual of how they&#8217;re doing and how much they&#8217;re doing and that&#8217;s a motivator for me.  Or a clue to kick them in the butt to do something.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m defintely happy about the 10lbs, but right now I feel like losing the weight is just easier &#8212; it&#8217;s the newest weight.  There&#8217;s a whole lot of weight that&#8217;s been around a lot longer and that&#8217;s gonna be harder to take off.  Not sure of the actual biomechanics in this theory, but that&#8217;s my theory.</p>
<p>At any rate, Steve, thank you SO MUCH for all your encouragement and support.  It is so very very needed to have the courage to stick with it through bad days to know both that people really want you to succeed; and because you&#8217;re sharing what you&#8217;re doing, you are accountable to others to share what&#8217;s going on.  Helps keep you on the path both intrinisically and extrinsically <img src='http://www.aaronsilvers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew I bought that Fit for something.  I guess it's time I started using it.  As of today, you'll see an entry for my Wii Fit activity.  Done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew I bought that Fit for something.  I guess it&#8217;s time I started using it.  As of today, you&#8217;ll see an entry for my Wii Fit activity.  Done.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, I don't know that I have it in me to weigh myself everyday.  Maybe when I start feeling like there's a sense of flow to what I'm doing and it's not so arbitrary -- maybe I can then connect weight fluctuation with diet and exercise more granularly than I can now.

I totally subscribe to the idea that if I can do this consistently for a month or two that it becomes habituated.  That's what I'm trying to enforce.  This week will be clutch.  If I can lose another pound from last week -- three straight weeks of progress would be clutch for my motivation.  I don't care if it's only one pound a week -- as long as there's progress, I'll stick with it. I'm most afraid of the plateaus until my behaviors are more engrained.

Thanks, as always for the support, Dave.  My approach in being open about this is pretty simple.  I'm a big guy.  It's hard to hide that if you meet me in person.  I'm struggling with things everyone else struggles with (except Philip Hutchison -- that dude is a rail).  Awareness is so important for learning, and fundamentally what I'm working through is a learning problem -- I need to develop and mature my sense of awareness about what, how and how much I eat and exercise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, I don&#8217;t know that I have it in me to weigh myself everyday.  Maybe when I start feeling like there&#8217;s a sense of flow to what I&#8217;m doing and it&#8217;s not so arbitrary &#8212; maybe I can then connect weight fluctuation with diet and exercise more granularly than I can now.</p>
<p>I totally subscribe to the idea that if I can do this consistently for a month or two that it becomes habituated.  That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m trying to enforce.  This week will be clutch.  If I can lose another pound from last week &#8212; three straight weeks of progress would be clutch for my motivation.  I don&#8217;t care if it&#8217;s only one pound a week &#8212; as long as there&#8217;s progress, I&#8217;ll stick with it. I&#8217;m most afraid of the plateaus until my behaviors are more engrained.</p>
<p>Thanks, as always for the support, Dave.  My approach in being open about this is pretty simple.  I&#8217;m a big guy.  It&#8217;s hard to hide that if you meet me in person.  I&#8217;m struggling with things everyone else struggles with (except Philip Hutchison &#8212; that dude is a rail).  Awareness is so important for learning, and fundamentally what I&#8217;m working through is a learning problem &#8212; I need to develop and mature my sense of awareness about what, how and how much I eat and exercise.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm glad you signed up, Brian.  It's good to do this with you. Even though you're already in shape and you can put golfing down as an exercise and it's always 65 or warmer where you live. I HATE YOU. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you signed up, Brian.  It&#8217;s good to do this with you. Even though you&#8217;re already in shape and you can put golfing down as an exercise and it&#8217;s always 65 or warmer where you live. I HATE YOU. <img src='http://www.aaronsilvers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! 10 pounds is major success in anyone's book!!!

You've taken the 'do it with someone else' suggestion into a whole new direction (for me at least) and I am impressed. I need to do the food monitoring thing, though since I eat practically nothing that comes with a barcode, I'll have to be extra honest :-)

thanks for sharing, and keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! 10 pounds is major success in anyone&#8217;s book!!!</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve taken the &#8216;do it with someone else&#8217; suggestion into a whole new direction (for me at least) and I am impressed. I need to do the food monitoring thing, though since I eat practically nothing that comes with a barcode, I&#8217;ll have to be extra honest <img src='http://www.aaronsilvers.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>thanks for sharing, and keep up the good work.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Hutchison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 04:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: weighing everyday, that's what the Wii Fit is meant to support. Great way to track progress, too, and very fun to play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: weighing everyday, that&#8217;s what the Wii Fit is meant to support. Great way to track progress, too, and very fun to play.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 01:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't say how impressed I am, both with your approach and your openness.  

I would suggest two other supports to your plan.  The first is what Ken Cooper (the USAF MD who developed the original aerobics program) called "the training effect." He had data to support the contention that after about six weeks of regular exercise, the cumulative improvements in fitness become such that the habit had begun to set in--you're physically doing better, mentally doing better, and developing a pattern that's a virtuous cycle.

Another support, one I recall reading in Consumer Reports Health newsletter, is that weighing yourself daily correlates very well with success.  It seems to me that's much like the apps you're using--the regularity makes the monitoring habitual, the habitual monitoring helps to instill an awareness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t say how impressed I am, both with your approach and your openness.  </p>
<p>I would suggest two other supports to your plan.  The first is what Ken Cooper (the USAF MD who developed the original aerobics program) called &#8220;the training effect.&#8221; He had data to support the contention that after about six weeks of regular exercise, the cumulative improvements in fitness become such that the habit had begun to set in&#8211;you&#8217;re physically doing better, mentally doing better, and developing a pattern that&#8217;s a virtuous cycle.</p>
<p>Another support, one I recall reading in Consumer Reports Health newsletter, is that weighing yourself daily correlates very well with success.  It seems to me that&#8217;s much like the apps you&#8217;re using&#8211;the regularity makes the monitoring habitual, the habitual monitoring helps to instill an awareness.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Dusablon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff, Aaron. I'm on a similar path. Knowing you're on MMF and DB helps. Look for invites to make fun of me for not doing my Wii Fit for the day soon. Accountability is definitely key!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff, Aaron. I&#8217;m on a similar path. Knowing you&#8217;re on MMF and DB helps. Look for invites to make fun of me for not doing my Wii Fit for the day soon. Accountability is definitely key!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, thanks for giving this a look, Rayanne.

I'll tell you, I was very impressed with Freshbooks.  If I had the volume and the need to be on the road a lot, I would've easily gone that route.

You'd be really surprised how quickly you can read some books (that are less dense) on the Kindle app.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, thanks for giving this a look, Rayanne.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll tell you, I was very impressed with Freshbooks.  If I had the volume and the need to be on the road a lot, I would&#8217;ve easily gone that route.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d be really surprised how quickly you can read some books (that are less dense) on the Kindle app.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Rayanne Langdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots to learn here, Aaron. I felt less organized the further I got down the post! Hah. Sorry we lost ya this year, but it sounds like you made the right decision for you.

Been thinking about getting a Kindle. Wasn't sure I could handle reading on my iPhone for a long period of time, but I should probably give it a go as you seem like a smart guy who knows what he's talking about! ; )

Rayanne Langdon -- Queen of Hearts, FreshBooks.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots to learn here, Aaron. I felt less organized the further I got down the post! Hah. Sorry we lost ya this year, but it sounds like you made the right decision for you.</p>
<p>Been thinking about getting a Kindle. Wasn&#8217;t sure I could handle reading on my iPhone for a long period of time, but I should probably give it a go as you seem like a smart guy who knows what he&#8217;s talking about! ; )</p>
<p>Rayanne Langdon &#8212; Queen of Hearts, FreshBooks.com</p>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Added that book to my Kindle account as soon as I clicked on the link, Mike.  Thanks a ton!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Added that book to my Kindle account as soon as I clicked on the link, Mike.  Thanks a ton!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Aaron, there are tons of great references to browse through at the back of each chapter of "Why Don't Students Like School?: A Cognitive Scientist Answers Questions About How the Mind Works and What It Means for the Classroom"  I'm working my way through a bunch of them now. http://bit.ly/4tBMIw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Aaron, there are tons of great references to browse through at the back of each chapter of &#8220;Why Don&#8217;t Students Like School?: A Cognitive Scientist Answers Questions About How the Mind Works and What It Means for the Classroom&#8221;  I&#8217;m working my way through a bunch of them now. <a href="http://bit.ly/4tBMIw" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/4tBMIw</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 04:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The capture is in Google Wave.  I really think this was a very helpful conversation.  The group agreed we'll meet again in January.  I'll organize it right after the holidays and plan it enough in advance to make sure we have another great crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The capture is in Google Wave.  I really think this was a very helpful conversation.  The group agreed we&#8217;ll meet again in January.  I&#8217;ll organize it right after the holidays and plan it enough in advance to make sure we have another great crowd.</p>
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		<description>Thanks for getting this started. I'm not going to be able to make the session on Friday but I'm definitely gonna watch the recording (if you have one) and am in for the rest of whatever course this discussion takes. Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for getting this started. I&#8217;m not going to be able to make the session on Friday but I&#8217;m definitely gonna watch the recording (if you have one) and am in for the rest of whatever course this discussion takes. Thanks again!</p>
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		<description>There's a lot of wisdom in how you're enumerating your quick list, Art.  I especially like #6 ("Fish and unused communities stink after 3 days.").  Thank you so much for weighing in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a lot of wisdom in how you&#8217;re enumerating your quick list, Art.  I especially like #6 (&#8220;Fish and unused communities stink after 3 days.&#8221;).  Thank you so much for weighing in!</p>
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		<description>Hi Aaron... lots of good questions and feedback appearing in this area.  Our experience has been relatively short, say 3 years, with some successes and several failures.  I will share a few pithy items from our knowledge community experience.
1. Get the team together first and talk over what the whole purpose might be and why they would even think of doing this.  Why?  In our work environment, one more place to go or one more thing to do, just won't happen.
2. Discuss how they want to operate.  Why would you contribute something?  Why would you read someone's contribution?  What do we have to develop together that none of us can do alone?
3. Determine the first output that will provide value.  Reference?  Method?  Tool?  Opinion?  Results?
4. Tell potential sponsors their role is to support and promote, not drive.
5. Keep it fresh.  Always a good idea for anything digital or organic.
6. Check in regularly.  Like daily.  Fish and unused communities stink after 3 days. (apologies to Mark Twain)
7. Market your team.  Viral is ok, but slow.  Ensure people have enough imformation to attach.  Ideas, and communities that attract people are often the best ones.

If you are a fan of "don't do this" or Failblog, here are a few for you:
- don't sign people up in the community and let them find out via email confirmation
- don't lock down the community by requiring moderator approval of contributions. (you do have another job, right?)
- don't respect worriers.  Communities are self correcting.  And, your corporate policies all apply to communities just like they do to email and phone conversations.
- don't be autocratic.  Communities are a team sport
- don't try to drive communities with external reasons for being and doing.
- don't let executives take over.  Period.
- don't erect elitist barriers or protocols.  Your best idea may come from someone you least expected to contribute.

Thats a start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Aaron&#8230; lots of good questions and feedback appearing in this area.  Our experience has been relatively short, say 3 years, with some successes and several failures.  I will share a few pithy items from our knowledge community experience.<br />
1. Get the team together first and talk over what the whole purpose might be and why they would even think of doing this.  Why?  In our work environment, one more place to go or one more thing to do, just won&#8217;t happen.<br />
2. Discuss how they want to operate.  Why would you contribute something?  Why would you read someone&#8217;s contribution?  What do we have to develop together that none of us can do alone?<br />
3. Determine the first output that will provide value.  Reference?  Method?  Tool?  Opinion?  Results?<br />
4. Tell potential sponsors their role is to support and promote, not drive.<br />
5. Keep it fresh.  Always a good idea for anything digital or organic.<br />
6. Check in regularly.  Like daily.  Fish and unused communities stink after 3 days. (apologies to Mark Twain)<br />
7. Market your team.  Viral is ok, but slow.  Ensure people have enough imformation to attach.  Ideas, and communities that attract people are often the best ones.</p>
<p>If you are a fan of &#8220;don&#8217;t do this&#8221; or Failblog, here are a few for you:<br />
- don&#8217;t sign people up in the community and let them find out via email confirmation<br />
- don&#8217;t lock down the community by requiring moderator approval of contributions. (you do have another job, right?)<br />
- don&#8217;t respect worriers.  Communities are self correcting.  And, your corporate policies all apply to communities just like they do to email and phone conversations.<br />
- don&#8217;t be autocratic.  Communities are a team sport<br />
- don&#8217;t try to drive communities with external reasons for being and doing.<br />
- don&#8217;t let executives take over.  Period.<br />
- don&#8217;t erect elitist barriers or protocols.  Your best idea may come from someone you least expected to contribute.</p>
<p>Thats a start.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Chamberlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Resources: 

A great starting place http://communitiesofinquiry.com/papers_cp 

Cognitive presence and online learner engagement: a cluster analysis of the community of inquiry framework by Peter Shea http://www.springerlink.com/index/V218M6Q74501813P.pdf

ONLINE COMMUNITY OF INQUIRY REVIEW: SOCIAL, COGNITIVE, AND TEACHING PRESENCE ISSUES by Garrison 
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~nvaughan/coiissues.pdf

Building Sense of Community at a Distance - by Rovai
http://www.whateverproductions.net/Rovai-2.pdf

THE PROCESS OF COMMUNITY-BUILDING IN DISTANCE LEARNING CLASSES by Brown
http://www.sloan-c.org/publications/jaln/v5n2/pdf/v5n2_brown.pdf


There are tons of papers, but Shea et al include research, not just quoting of other thinkers.</description>
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<p>A great starting place <a href="http://communitiesofinquiry.com/papers_cp" rel="nofollow">http://communitiesofinquiry.com/papers_cp</a> </p>
<p>Cognitive presence and online learner engagement: a cluster analysis of the community of inquiry framework by Peter Shea <a href="http://www.springerlink.com/index/V218M6Q74501813P.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.springerlink.com/index/V218M6Q74501813P.pdf</a></p>
<p>ONLINE COMMUNITY OF INQUIRY REVIEW: SOCIAL, COGNITIVE, AND TEACHING PRESENCE ISSUES by Garrison<br />
<a href="http://www.ucalgary.ca/~nvaughan/coiissues.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ucalgary.ca/~nvaughan/coiissues.pdf</a></p>
<p>Building Sense of Community at a Distance &#8211; by Rovai<br />
<a href="http://www.whateverproductions.net/Rovai-2.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.whateverproductions.net/Rovai-2.pdf</a></p>
<p>THE PROCESS OF COMMUNITY-BUILDING IN DISTANCE LEARNING CLASSES by Brown<br />
<a href="http://www.sloan-c.org/publications/jaln/v5n2/pdf/v5n2_brown.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.sloan-c.org/publications/jaln/v5n2/pdf/v5n2_brown.pdf</a></p>
<p>There are tons of papers, but Shea et al include research, not just quoting of other thinkers.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, that's a helluva conference session.  I'd love to be there.

1) I happen to agree that participation has some accountability, as it does in the physical world; I'd like to hear other perspectives on this.  You mention that research shows participation increases cognitive presence -- you got a link handy? Not doubting you, but I think it helps to be able to tack down what we're all accepting on trust, right?

2) I think there is some overlap in the concerns, some real and some merely objections.  Important that we distinguish what's a trolling objection and what's a legit concern.  I hope I can snag some security ppl in this discussion or an ensuing one to help put context around stuff we as facilitators of learning might ignore or find cumbersome.

3) Methods to facilitate and encourage learner-learner interaction is a solid question I'm very interested in.  Good pull.

4) This goes back to overcoming objections, and there are a lot of ppl we can pull in to help.  I have some experience here and can share; again, the more people contributing to this thread, the better.

I'm hoping we build up a context arsenal that makes it easier for all of us to effectively build communities and keep them evergreen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, that&#8217;s a helluva conference session.  I&#8217;d love to be there.</p>
<p>1) I happen to agree that participation has some accountability, as it does in the physical world; I&#8217;d like to hear other perspectives on this.  You mention that research shows participation increases cognitive presence &#8212; you got a link handy? Not doubting you, but I think it helps to be able to tack down what we&#8217;re all accepting on trust, right?</p>
<p>2) I think there is some overlap in the concerns, some real and some merely objections.  Important that we distinguish what&#8217;s a trolling objection and what&#8217;s a legit concern.  I hope I can snag some security ppl in this discussion or an ensuing one to help put context around stuff we as facilitators of learning might ignore or find cumbersome.</p>
<p>3) Methods to facilitate and encourage learner-learner interaction is a solid question I&#8217;m very interested in.  Good pull.</p>
<p>4) This goes back to overcoming objections, and there are a lot of ppl we can pull in to help.  I have some experience here and can share; again, the more people contributing to this thread, the better.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping we build up a context arsenal that makes it easier for all of us to effectively build communities and keep them evergreen.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Chamberlin</dc:creator>
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		<description>In a conference proposal I submitted recently, I proposed the idea of a shift in Building Community methods - the original way (1.0 shall we say) - institutionally/organizationally-hosted, closed communities - instructor/trainer led and sustained by efforts of the leader.  The "new" way (2.0) I defined as: A community established and growing with and then beyond the originating source (i.e. course or business) using social media.  The community, ultimately, becomes another node of the learner’s larger personal learning network. This is further defined by characteristics of openness, sustainability, and the opportunities for professional growth.

In creating this proposal, some questions remain for the audience to ponder - perhaps they are worthy of our future discussion (if they fit where your agenda is going).

1)Should participation in Community 2.0 have some accountability? If so, how? If not, why not (since research shows participation increases cognitive presence in online classes/training).

2)What are the "use of social media" privacy concerns for institutions of learning (i.e. FERPA) and organizations with security clearance issues and how can we work around them?

3)If we determine students benefit from being involved in Community 2.0, both intellectually and affectively (affect not effect), what are concrete steps to encourage learner-learner interaction using the Community?

4)What are ways to encourage Community 2.0  among the more “social media resistant” learners?

Wow, that took a lot of explaining to get to those four topics...good thing I didn't have to do this in 140 characters!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a conference proposal I submitted recently, I proposed the idea of a shift in Building Community methods &#8211; the original way (1.0 shall we say) &#8211; institutionally/organizationally-hosted, closed communities &#8211; instructor/trainer led and sustained by efforts of the leader.  The &#8220;new&#8221; way (2.0) I defined as: A community established and growing with and then beyond the originating source (i.e. course or business) using social media.  The community, ultimately, becomes another node of the learner’s larger personal learning network. This is further defined by characteristics of openness, sustainability, and the opportunities for professional growth.</p>
<p>In creating this proposal, some questions remain for the audience to ponder &#8211; perhaps they are worthy of our future discussion (if they fit where your agenda is going).</p>
<p>1)Should participation in Community 2.0 have some accountability? If so, how? If not, why not (since research shows participation increases cognitive presence in online classes/training).</p>
<p>2)What are the &#8220;use of social media&#8221; privacy concerns for institutions of learning (i.e. FERPA) and organizations with security clearance issues and how can we work around them?</p>
<p>3)If we determine students benefit from being involved in Community 2.0, both intellectually and affectively (affect not effect), what are concrete steps to encourage learner-learner interaction using the Community?</p>
<p>4)What are ways to encourage Community 2.0  among the more “social media resistant” learners?</p>
<p>Wow, that took a lot of explaining to get to those four topics&#8230;good thing I didn&#8217;t have to do this in 140 characters!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Learning and Knowledge Community Catch-up by Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 12:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first thing I thought of after I had the idea to pull this together was "this should be a Learning Ninjas activity."  #lrnchat is awesome because it surveys much, gets a lot of people involved and reveals the pattern around a given topic.  For this topic, I have a need to do a deeper dive.

Ideally, we can start to cobble together a table where given the reason for having a community, we can share what tools we're using, what kind of people resources we have facilitating it, how big/active the community is and what kind of costs and time commitments it takes to keep it going along different phases.

That's the kind of information that benefits everyone, and it's (for me) hard information to get without sharing among peers who are already doing it or are thinking about doing it.

That's the sweet spot, I think.  We have all the tools available to solve common tactical/operational concerns. We just need to connect our crafts (like BSS or Learning Ninjas) to the work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first thing I thought of after I had the idea to pull this together was &#8220;this should be a Learning Ninjas activity.&#8221;  #lrnchat is awesome because it surveys much, gets a lot of people involved and reveals the pattern around a given topic.  For this topic, I have a need to do a deeper dive.</p>
<p>Ideally, we can start to cobble together a table where given the reason for having a community, we can share what tools we&#8217;re using, what kind of people resources we have facilitating it, how big/active the community is and what kind of costs and time commitments it takes to keep it going along different phases.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the kind of information that benefits everyone, and it&#8217;s (for me) hard information to get without sharing among peers who are already doing it or are thinking about doing it.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the sweet spot, I think.  We have all the tools available to solve common tactical/operational concerns. We just need to connect our crafts (like BSS or Learning Ninjas) to the work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Learning and Knowledge Community Catch-up by Brian Dusablon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Dusablon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea, Aaron. Too many times I think about things like this, but don't act on them. It's already been a month since DevLearn, and I still have items on my To Do list for conference follow-ups, and I've had exactly ZERO conversations with any of the great people I met.

I look forward to more opportunities like this - maybe the gathering and facilitating of these collaborative efforts and share sessions is something we must lead? Let's discuss more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea, Aaron. Too many times I think about things like this, but don&#8217;t act on them. It&#8217;s already been a month since DevLearn, and I still have items on my To Do list for conference follow-ups, and I&#8217;ve had exactly ZERO conversations with any of the great people I met.</p>
<p>I look forward to more opportunities like this &#8211; maybe the gathering and facilitating of these collaborative efforts and share sessions is something we must lead? Let&#8217;s discuss more.</p>
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