Men, Women, and Society

Who came up with the "sex is the greatest thing in the world" nonsense?

2013-06-09T13:01:00.003-07:00

Did you ever watch any of those teenager movies like American Pie, or did you ever skim one of those magazines that are aimed at teens? Or did you just listen to what other people say? If so, then you may have gotten the idea that sex was absolutely fabulous, like, the totally best thing in the world. However, once you have had sex, you realized that it isn't all it's cracked up to be. Sure, it's nice, but it's hardly a step up from masturbation. I'd argue it's different, but not better or worse.

Sorry, that wasn't quite right. Sex can be worse than rubbing one out. I've had "lays" that were infinitely worse than my worst wank. I don't think I ever failed pleasing myself, but that's not something I could say of all the girls I've met. In fact, I've found myself questioning whether pulling girls just for sex was really worth it. I think any guy who has the option of being with many women --- this only applies to a minority of guys --- eventually gets to the point at which he'll simply get tired of sex. The reason why guys pursue meaningless lays, though, has often more to do with a sense of validation, but even that gets boring after a while.

Let's look at the big picture, though: How does a guy feel about sex who lives in an oversexualized society that offers HD porn at his fingertips and shows him tits and asses in pretty much every ad, but who has very little experience himself? If he's a virgin, he may think he's missing out on something, and feel miserable about it. (This is quite common.) On the other hand, if he's one of the desperate ones who gets laid once every four years, he might think that sex is special just because it's so rare for him to do it with a woman.

I think that the image of sex being oh-so fabulous puts tremendous pressure on guys since they normally play the active part. A woman can always just lean back and let the guy do all the work, even if this leads to a piss-poor experience for all parties involved. On a side note, passivity on behalf of the girl might explain a lot of those "statistics" according to which 30% of women don't orgasm. They're just lying there, not moving their pelvis, not contracting their pussy, not doing anything else either, so how great can that be?

You could almost describe the myth of sex as some kind of elaborate societal scam, intended to encourage boys and girls to experience sex, and to get the average guy to buy into the "system". Imagine you spread the message that sex was barely better than rubbing one out, or that most women suck in bed? Surely then little Jimmy wouldn't feel quite so bad about himself if he was a virgin, or if he hardly ever got laid. He would know that he isn't missing out on much. The irony, though, is that he isn't missing out on much, but doesn't know it.

If the previous paragraph sounds too absurd to you, then please remember that some countries have set up a non-free system of higher education in order to yield a docile and indebted workforce. Home-ownership was also promoted with the aim to make the labor force more easily controllable. Debt is a powerful force. You could make the same argument based on the fact that health care in the US is tied to the employer. Saddled with college loan, mortgage, and health insurance that is conditional on employment, you'll probably think twice about speaking up at the work place. But what is a big motivator for guys to buy a house and make money? Well, to get chicks...

What's your opinion? Do you think sex is overhyped? Do you sometimes feel as if society dangles sex in front of you to make you act against your best interest? Let me know in the comments below!

Feminism as an excuse for being ugly

2013-06-06T11:42:00.004-07:00

Apparently last month there was a three-day celebration of feminism at the University of Cambridge. The pictures on Facebook are well worth a look due to their concentrated stupidity. I just want to talk about one particular issue, and it might be a somewhat controversial one, at least in the mainstream media.

Ask yourself whether you have ever seen a good-looking feminist? I certainly haven't. I don't want to stoop as low as Roosh V with his post on the "ugliest feminists of America", but it's hard not to notice that the "intellectual" leaders as well as the typical follower isn't exactly the kind of woman you'd fantasize about having sex with. Somehow I get the impression that "feminists" like to influence other women to look less attractive, i.e. as unattractive as they themselves are. Why they do it I don't really know, but it could be that they are simply envious of better-looking women, which makes them want to work towards a future were all women are unattractive. This is all just conjecture, though, but I wouldn't know how else to explain this phenomenon.

Let's have a look at this picture:

Oh, it shouldn't?

Try an experiment: Look at this picture for a few seconds, and afterwards then cover that girl's armpit with your index finger. You might find that she suddenly looks significantly more attractive to you. I would be quite surprised if I was the only guy who had this reaction.

One of the big issues with feminism is that it doesn't acknowledge biology. There are obvious biological differences between men and women. Further, men don't really make a mental effort to decide what they find attractive. It's a visceral reaction, and you just can't help it. Body hair is a turn-off, especially when it's dark. Sure, dear feminists, go ahead and stop shaving your legs and arm pits! The consequence will simply be that men will avoid you even more. Or do you want to tell us what we're supposed to find attractive?

What's your opinion? Do you like hairy armpits? Let me know in the comments below!

Sleazy, how come gurus make money if they're so shit?

2013-06-05T15:33:00.001-07:00

PUA shills haven't pestered me much recently, apart form some dude who tried to pollute my forum. However, quite recently there was a blog comment that had an angle I wasn't familiar with. Let me just cite the shill comment as a whole:

Yeah. Just out of curiosity, Aaron. A lot of people seem to say that speed seduction doesn't work. How would you explain that Ross (but also V Kelvin, RSD, and other "guru$") is still making money and have supporters?

(This comment appeared under Romance is for Losers.)

Please take a moment or two to let the previous quote sink in.

There are at least two good counter arguments. Let me start by questioning the premise, namely that PUAs make money and have fans. As I've shown in recent articles, interest in the big names of the PUA scene has dwindled dramatically. It's also a fact that there haven't been any big releases like 20-DVD sets in years. Also, many PUAs have moved on. David DeAngelo tried rebranding himself as Eben Pagan, Neil Strauss is back to writing about celebrities, and many of the B-team either quit or moved into self-help. Some seemingly well-established names like DJ Fuji are barely hanging on. His forum has something like 500 posts...

So, how much money do the PUAs make? Surely David DeAngelo didn't decide to focus on business coaching if peddling PUA advice was such a gold mine. The gold rush is over, and what's left are some people who are fighting over scraps.

Further, just because you make money doesn't mean that your product has any validity. Let's consider a steaming pile of bullshit like astrology. Do you know how big that market is? It's at least hundreds of millions of dollars per year, if my recent Google searches are to be believed. This means it's easily and order of magnitude larger than the PUA industry. I even came across an article that claimed that Italians spend several billions a year on astrology, being an unusually superstitions people:

Amid rising unemployment and general gloom over the state of the economy, Italians are spending billions of euros a year on astrology and fortune telling, according to a report by the European Consumers Association.

Tarot card readers and pavement fortune tellers are doing a roaring trade, with about 30,000 Italians paying between 20 and 600 euros a day looking for advice to help them out of their financial woes.

Yet, astrology is complete nonsense.

Of course, having supporters doesn't mean that you are right either. This ties in with the previous point. For an obvious example, look at sects like the Catholic church, or Scientology. They do have followers, their followers donate absurd amounts of money, yet what they teach does not hold up to any scrutiny. They are in it for the money. The founder of Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard, famously said:

I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is!

Likewise, the Catholic Church found itself quickly drawn towards money and power. The historic Jesus of Nazareth was a revolutionary, an anti-authoritarian, and an enemy of "money lenders". Heck, he even supported the use of force against enemies. Mere decades after his death, though, Christianity developed into quite possibly the worst kind of intellectual poison the world has ever seen, turning into a tool for subjugation the masses, and hindering scientific progress on a large scale. It's due to the influence of the Catholic church that the Middle Ages were a dark age, which cost us hundreds of years of progress. Imagine that we've had stem cell therapy and plasma TVs back in the year 1,000!

People are gullible, and those who sell hope in whichever form do so, to a large degree, to profit from it. Those who sell hope --- be it PUA gurus, religious leaders, astrologist or whoever else --- may delude themselves and believe their nonsenses. However, many are hardened business men, which I illustrated by the example of L. Ron Hubbard. Heck, he openly said what his real goal was, and people could easily have figured out that he was merely a science-fiction author. Nonetheless, many were stupid enough to fall for him and his organization. Victims include celebrities like Tom Cruise and John Travolta. "But, wait, how can Scientology be a scam if the mega alpha Tom Cruise is a member. I mean he's rich and famous, so he's got to know better. Right? Right??"

What's your opinion? Let me know in the comments below!

Romance is for Losers

2013-06-03T14:42:00.002-07:00

A big mistake inexperienced men make is that they believe mainstream dating advice, and then there are of course those who believe the equally nonsensical advice of PUAs. It is not true, as PUAs claim it, that you can get any woman you want if you just used the right technique. However, following mainstream advice by being courteous, and not too pushy, taking girls out on dates, and waiting for at least two weeks before attempting to have sex with her will also guarantee that you won't get much action.

Plenty of girls don't mind if you waste your time or money on them, though. Why time? Well, it equals attention, and a plain average girl would rather have some average guy drooling over her than none. It doesn't mean that she can't wait to rip his clothes off, though. What guys who take girls out on dates don't realize is that there is a much faster route. It's just not necessarily available to them. Based on my experience, I am tempted to say that girls make the decision to have sex with you very quickly --- if they are attracted to you. Then there are guys that just don't do it for them at all. However, there is an unfortunate third category that can be exploited for material gains. This is where dating and diamond rings come in.

I found it quite startling that some girls were openly mocking the guys they were dating when they hung out with me. This also ruined any notion I had of women being kind. One particularly materialist bitch in London viewed some middle-aged guy as nothing but a walking wallet, and thought this was all good fun. Once she even asked what I think he should buy her next. I didn't quite manage to develop a lot of respect for that woman. However, I'm undecided whether that guy deserves pity or ridicule. He only has himself to blame since he should be perfectly aware of the fact that he's not getting anything in return. Still, it struck me that they were willing to fuck me so quickly, while they only dangled a carrot in front of some other guys.

Sure, some girls fuck those losers. Gold-digging can be a rather lucrative profession, after all. What is noteworthy, though, is that you can get all of that without the slightest notion of romance. It was rare for me to even take a girl out on a date. In the few cases I did, it was normally a short 30 or 40 minutes before heading back to mine. Heck, even a nonchalant rhetorical question like, "Why don't we just skip this and head back to my place?", or when calling on the phone, replying to her probing question where we should meet for dinner, "You can drop by at my place in about two hours" normally did the trick as well. Some girls don't necessarily want to lead you on. Instead, they are only familiar with the typical dating protocol and think they have to meet you for dinner first. Those can be quite relieved when they can skip that ordeal. This only applies if she's sexually attracted to you, though.

If you don't push the interaction towards sex, you'll have a hard time getting laid. On the other hand, if you put the offer on the table, and the girl knows that she won't be able to mooch off you (or that you won't wait long for her to change her mind), you can force a decision quickly. She's either going to have sex with you or not. She knows that you'll be gone if she turns the offer down. However, letting a reasonably hot guy just walk off isn't such an easy thing to do. So, what's the conclusion? It's simply that if she likes the idea of having sex with you, then chances are very good that she will --- even if this might mean that she won't wait as long as she normally does. Maybe it's a bit uncomfortable for her, but she'll soon find comfort, so don't worry about it.

On the other hand, if you have no spine and think that a kiss on the cheek is enough compensation for an expensive dinner, nothing much is going to happen. If she let's you wait, then she's simply not that interested in you. She may still enjoy the attention. It's not romance, though. Yes, the losers will think it is. For women, "romance" means steamy sex. Candlelight dinners or long walks with polite conversation are quite the opposite of that.

Lastly, let's not forget that many girls find it more comforting to be able to say that they are
seeing some guy, even if he doesn't mean anything to them, than admitting to their girlfriends that they are single. Nobody has to know that she's not fucking him. Heck, some guys told me that they have sex with their "girlfriends" once every six to eight weeks. I'm sure they've got plenty of romance, though. A guy who does not pose a sexual threat is perfect for that category. He's easy to please, and for girls they are convenient, too. Nominally, they aren't single, and can still conveniently look for some other guy who gets their juices flowing. Without the notion of "romance" such a charade would be impossible.

What's your opinion? Let me know in the comments below!

Message from a Reader: The Consistency Trap

2013-06-03T13:20:00.002-07:00

Below is a message from a reader: Max describes how he got caught up in PUA, and how he managed to free himself from the negative influence. Please pay particular attention to what he calls the "consistency trap".

Hi there. My name’s Max, and I was into PUA for a few years. Even though I learned through experience that it was unnecessary, it was your site and PUAHate which convinced me that it was really ridiculous. Weirdly though, I found it hard to let go of it. It took me a while to figure out what the issue was. I eventually realized it was something I call the consistency trap.

Basically, you can encounter PUA because you were searching for “solutions” with girls, either because you wanted more or because you feel bad. I was in the second category: at that time, I had been heartbroken by a girl I really liked and didn’t like me back. I felt awful, and discovering the PUA thing was a revelation: if I could just master “social dynamics”, be alpha and a master PUA, I could probably fix that! And moreover, this could enable me to make sure that I would never suffer from that again.

So I did some PUA and saw results pretty fast. This led me to become pretty arrogant, but also quite lazy, which inevitably led me to drop some PUA nonsense, and then realize my results didn’t vary as long as I made a move. It was not long after that for me to find your website and PUAHate, and decide PUA was idiotic.

The thing was, I couldn’t really let go. Even though I would not do PUA, I would get stressed in social settings, and in my head, I had all these permanent fantasies about out-alphaing other dudes. I was constantly in my head. It took me a while to realize that I was stressed because there was one thing I had not rid myself of: basically, that there was a certain type of personality or behavior that was universally attractive, and that not being in this character (alpha, super social, always witty, etc) even for a second would mean permanent loss, which in my case echoed to the suffering I had felt when I got into PUA.

I call it the consistency trap because it comes from the fact that PUAs convince you that there is one way of being which you need to learn (generally a narcissistic sociopathic sex-crazed social retard), otherwise you will fail for sure, and if you don’t fail, it will be temporary because, ultimately, the foolproof way of not suffering with chicks is to become like the guru.

This fucked me up for a while: it led me to question my behaviors, thought patterns, “limiting beliefs”, view of the world, values and even reasoning abilities! I wento to hypnotherapy first to try to change myself to fit that mold because I thought that my upbringing had fucked me up since I was not up to the standard! I even blamed my parents for it. Fortunately, at some point, I figured out something was wrong and worked instead on breaking the link between the pain I had felt in the past and the PUA pseudo-logic.

That is some toxic stuff. Humans will try to avoid suffering by using anything that seems to remotely make sense if it just promises it might help. I discovered that the hard way, and I believe it is the most fucked up thing PUA teaches: that basically doing things your own way means you are doomed to fail.

Thanks a lot for the good stuff Aaron! And also AlekNovy.

Max, thank you very much for your message!

Do you find most women attractive?

2013-06-01T01:31:00.002-07:00

In the discussion following Do women really hold all sexual power? an anonymous reader made the following statement:

Most men find most women somehow attractive (not my case, but so I hear).

I questioned this statement, and so did others. However, it is a position plenty of women and men seem to hold. Women think that men would fuck anything that walks and while the guys I personally know all have personal standards, they might still think that others are less discerning. However, it seems to be much closer to the truth that unattractive guys, as well as guys who don't know about their market value, might stick with a relatively plain looking woman. I do hope, though, that they find at least some attraction for them.

Please note that this myth is also used to justify this inane talk about male sexuality being worthless, which was at the core of the article I linked to above.

My suspicion was that this was more of a mass media myth than reality, so I consulted out the prime authority on that topic, TV Tropes. Look what I found:

Anything That Moves

If they can have sex with it, they will. This character has nonexistent or remarkably low standards within the borders of their species and orientation's NORMAL sexual interest pool. They can be hetero, gay, or bi. This trope doesn't mean they're willing to lay children, animals, or inanimate objects; it means that things like age, personality and attractiveness restrict them much less than the average person. Such a character may get around a lot, but not necessarily; sometimes, it just that their standards are low.

I couldn't help but think of people like Vince Kelvin or Jeffy from RSD when I read the last sentence. What follows on TV Tropes is a list with hundreds of examples from all kinds of media. Please also note the phrase, "less than the average person". I would assume that it is exceedingly rare for a guy to try to have sex with anything that has a hole with it.

Would you do any girl? Please comment below.

Vibrators and Blow-Up Dolls

2013-05-31T15:22:00.001-07:00

I think it's safe to say that mainstream media systematically ridicule men. Or can you, off the top of your head, tell me about a movie or TV show that portrays a woman as emotionally unstable, unreliable, or incompetent? Those traits are nowadays apparently the sole domain of men. Man-bashing of that kind is so common that you may not even notice it any more.

If you need a reminder, check out this video:

(That guy has created a series of over a dozen videos that collect and discuss depictions of misandry in the media. Check it out if you've got the time.)

Think of stereotypical masturbation devices for men and women for a second!

You probably associate "woman" with "vibrator" and "man" with "blow-up doll". Nowadays, the Flesh Light may be a more appropriate analogue, and blow up dolls evolved into Real Dolls, but those details are beside the point. What does matter, though, is that vibrators are commonly portrayed as tools for female empowerment, and quite possibly you've come across lists like, "Reasons why a Vibrator is Better than a Boyfriend" You won't find answer like "Because it doesn't care about the fact that no guy wants me" on there, though.

However, blow-up dolls serve the same purpose as vibrators. But instead of being tools for male empowerment, they are used to belittle guys. The message a guy gets regarding those sex toys is that he's a loser. Isn't this an absurd double standard? You're supposed to be a loser or a creep, and of course automatically an "incel" if you use a sex toy. A cursory search on the Internet will reveal plenty of posts by women who share this opinion. Yet, once the conversation switches to vibrators, they are all about independence, and their old empowerment shtick.

I know, logic isn't held in high regards in feminist circles. Still, I can't help but think that if it's supposed to be pathetic to use a Flesh Light, it's certainly equally pathetic to use a vibrator. Of course, if you're a woman and used to getting away with having double standards, you may hold a different view. This then leads to the conclusion that the negative portrayal of sex toys that are designed for men is yet another example of a questionable double standard. I'll discuss more of those in future posts.

What's your opinion? Let me know in the comments below!

An Encouraging Message from a Reader

2013-05-31T14:19:00.003-07:00

This was recently posted in the comments section of the post So, how healthy is the PUA Scene? I thought it deserved to be seen by a greater number of people.

I am so happy to have found the idiocy of this scene early on. The straw that broke my back is when I started hanging out with someone who wanted me to be their wing and assured me that he was having epic nights going out and that he had slept with 100+ girls in his life. This idiot had internalized almost every single PUA material out there that he could quote things verbatim. Being that he was my height (5"8) and bald and was getting as many women as he claimed to be getting excited me. I was hopeful at the prospect of hanging out with him and learning and benefiting.

Well it didn't take long to see a pattern. Every time we would hit the clubs, my "wing" (and I use that term loosely as he would just go at it alone as soon as we hit any scene) would consistently hit on the most unattractive girls in the club. Consistently. And he would later brag about his conquests. He would tell me that he got that "cute" girls number and I would be thinking what cute girl? That beast with the thinning hair?

One particular time when we went out I approached a girl and apparently leaned in while talking to her. Well my wing vehemently instilled the notion in me that I should not lean in while talking to a girl. Because by golly leaning in is the death knell when talking to a girl, lovedrop said so so it must be true! And his advice was solid because of all the, and I quote "abundance" he was enjoying. And abundance of what? Heavy unattractive women that were just happy that someone was talking to them?

All of my success with women has come from just looking as good as I possibly can, and being as normal and fun as possible and letting the chips fall where they may.

The PUA scene is a joke and I'm glad people are starting to realize it.

Feminist Power Fantasies

2013-05-29T16:10:00.002-07:00

Have you ever been in a situation in which people were expected to make small talk, and you were asked in which historic epoch you would have liked to live in? I think it's an absurd question, but it's one that enjoys some popularity. Especially women seem fond of that kind of daydreaming. However, as soon as people explore this topic, they make one serious mistake: they refer to the elites, the aristocracy.

Don't get me wrong, this kind of comparison is of course perfectly legitimate if you happen to be the Queen of England and ask yourself whether any of your ancestors might have been a happier parasite than you are. However, the vast majority of people aren't quite so lucky. So, the next time a girl asks you a question like that, before blabbering about how fabulous it must have been to have lived in the baroque era, tell her to think about the fate of the common man. Suddenly, this comparison isn't quite so sexy anymore.

Yes, Virginia, of course you would have lived in Versailles!

But where am I going with this? Well, in my last post I discussed the topic of alleged female power, in short, the hypothesis that women hold all sexual power, and can have sex with whom they want, when they want. As I thought more about this, it struck me that the feminists who came up with this must have made the same mistake as your typical ditzy teenage airhead who wonders what being a courtesan of Louis XIV was like. Likewise, instead of wondering how the average woman might fare in a typical club or bar, feminists, seem to have pictured supermodels and actresses instead --- but in a regular club, so that they'd really stand out. As Fifth Season pointed out in the comment section of my last article, Leonardo DiCaprio got tired of Bar Refaeli, a woman surely plenty of men fantasize about. But if you're Leonardo DiCaprio, you can have plenty of other hot women, which again renders the concept of female sexual power invalid.

Feminist ideology is full of absurd comparisons, ignoring the fate of the average man or woman in typical situations, and instead focusing on extreme outliers, and possibly even in unrealistic situations. Just think of all this talk about the alleged subjugation of women. Men always had it so much better in history and all that.. You know, men were kings, generals, authors, scientists, tycoons and whatnot. But what was the fate of the common man? I once asked a feminist how many women she believed have lost their lives fighting in World War II. She threw a fit and accused me of not taking the plight of women seriously. I don't care what your bullshit feminist theory textbook says. Compared to the risk of dying on the battle field or returning home with a missing limb, it's not so bad to be subjugated. If it isn't a privilege not to have to fight in a war, then I wouldn't know what is. But why bother with those pesky little details when you can focus on the "big picture" instead?

What's your opinion? Let me know in the comment section below!

Do women really hold all sexual power?

2013-05-28T15:34:00.004-07:00

There is a lot of bullshit in the mainstream media. I find it especially irritating when clearly subjective opinions are presented in an allegedly objective manner by people who have a hidden agenda. One such example is the claim that women have all the sexual power in the world. Of course they don't. (Hint: it's mutual).

There is a longer backstory behind this post, and it seems worthwhile discussing it openly. I recently took an online course in Behavioral Economics on Coursera. The teacher, Dan Ariely, is knowledgeable and also lovingly flippant at times. For instance, he started every lecture with an inappropriate joke, and plenty of the examples he used might have easily offended some people's sensibilities. As a bonus, there were guest lectures at the end of each week, given by professors teaching in behavioral economics or related disciplines like psychology.

In week 2, though, I saw some giddy woman in front of the camera, telling about her "research". She was making some rather daring statements, such as "women have all the sexual power", "women decide how soon in a relationship sex happens", or, my favorite, "men's sexuality has no worth". Of course, she referred to the mainstream media model of dating, according to which a guy has to wait three weeks before some chick will spread her legs for you. Needless to say, in her little world, this applies to "all women", and we as men are at their complete mercy.

I had a hearty laugh because I assumed Dan Ariely had put an actress on stage to drive the point home that sloppy reasoning quickly leads to absurd conclusions. I just didn't want to believe that a middle-aged woman with teenager-like antics and absurdly sloppy reasoning would really be a professor. The course was on irrational behavior in the context of economics or, more generally, decision-making, so it wouldn't have surprised me if she had been a mere actress, having had the purpose of cheering us up a little bit.

As it turned out, that woman was not an actress. Her name is Kathleen Vohs, and she's a professor of marketing at University of Minnesota. Here is the video, in case you are interested. Within the first few minutes you'll hear zingers like, "sex is a female resource", "men trade resources with women in exchange for sex", or the aforementioned "male sexuality has no value or worth". The video is about 20 minutes long. I nearly made it to the six-minute mark.

Even if you don't have the time to expose yourself to her drivel, the idea that we men are at the complete mercy of women when it comes to sex is probably familiar to you. In the video, one of the examples of the alleged sexual value of women was that some retail store offered women a 40 Euro voucher (real worth: close to zero) and a glass of champagne if they showed up topless. In my book, this is a case of complete lack of dignity if not of outright stupidity, though.

But let's get back to dating. In the course forum, one woman wrote what could have been taken from some feminist blog, Jezebel, or that disgraceful Manboobz blog:

To put it pretty crudely, a woman can get sex whenever she wants. There will nearly always be a man willing to (gosh, what is the right way to say it...) fulfill that need. However, a man can't always find a willing female partner. Again, this points to women holding most of the value of sex.

To my surprise, one woman replied to that, writing that she, "listened to that lecture and I thought my head was going to pop off. [Kathleen Vohs] made so many generalizations about women and so many giant leaps in her conclusion". She also punched a hole in Vohs' argument by asking, "What happens to the theory of sexual economics when it is a homosexual couple?" But let's not get critical thinking get in the way of some feminist fantasy!

Does the theory of unlimited female sexual power make any sense to you, like the first commenter expressed it?

Sure, put some woman into a bar, and there will be some dude hitting on her. But will it be the kind of guy that makes her gina tingle? Women might have the perception that they have all the power because the social reality is such that the guy has to make a move and women can then lean back and make their pick. Expressed in more abstract terms, women trade activity for a restricted range of choices since they can only select from their actual suitors. However, put that woman in a bar and tell her to exert her "sexual power" by getting the hottest guy in the place, and her confidence will quickly falter.

Of course, if a woman stoops low enough, she might find some guy who is willing to have sex with her. Yet, it's the same with men. If you forget about your standards and are willing to go for the bottom of the barrel, you should find it pretty easy to get laid. Maybe start hanging out at "fat acceptance" meetings if you're really desperate. However, what you desire is not always what you can realistically expect to get. Millions of girls want to fuck Justin Bieber, but how many really get the chance?

If you are in the unfortunate position that you don't enjoy a reasonably high sexual market value, you can either force yourself to fuck some woman that only grosses you out (let know how it was!), or you do the sensible thing and remain involuntarily celibate. Either that, or you pay for sex. Now imagine you are a woman who holds "all sexual power". She's in a club, wanting to get laid. She's a bit on the short side, her chin is far from feminine, and she's fat in all the wrong places. Now she's doing her best to attract some guy. Sadly, she notices that all the hot guys don't even notice her, and the average ones, well, they all look so average to her. So what's she going to do? Having some more beers is one possible solution, since she knows that it will make her feel attracted to guys she's otherwise be repelled by. Or turning lesbian. Or simply avoid going to nightclubs. All three are common strategies.

Please comment below if you've got something to add or ask.

Sex, Porn, and Voluntary Celibacy

2013-05-23T18:16:00.002-07:00

In the comments section to my recent post on Google search trends regarding the main figures in the seduction industry there was an interesting debate. A PUA believer (shill?) claimed that because interest in search terms like "picking up girls" was high, the seduction industry must be in great shape. You can probably quickly find out what the problem with this line of reasoning is. If not, then feel free to refer to my response to that comment.

An anonymous commenter chimed in, ridiculing that position by referring to the ever-rising interest in sex and porn to further illustrate the absurdity of that argument. Here's the graph, taken straight from Google Trends. It shows interest in the keywords "sex" and "porn" over time, and look at the success story "porn" has become:

"sex" (red) vs. "porn" (blue)

So, why would you prefer porn over sex? I don't want to read too much into this data, but I couldn't help but think of the rise of the MGTOW community. A relatively prominent position in this scene is to choose voluntarily celibacy, or simply pay for sex, instead of following some made-up social conventions. You know, nonsense like that the wedding ring is supposed to cost the equivalent of half your annual income, or that fat women have a "great personality" and all that jazz.

My perception is that it has become more common that men openly question societal institutions. Let's be honest: there aren't so many women around who are worth spending time with, let alone date or marry. Given contemporary obesity rates and absurd levels of entitlement, which are present in many Western women, I can perfectly well understand when someone says that he doesn't want to participate in that kind of game. The MGTOW community is growing, and Western society itself does a pretty good job discouraging men from getting involved with women. There are risks everywhere. Heck, in some countries you would get into serious trouble if, say, you doubted that the kid of your wife is yours, did a paternity test (that then confirms that it's some other man's kid). In France, you'll risk a fine of 15,000 Euros and a year in prison, and would still have to pay alimony.

So, is it any surprise that some men prefer porn over sex, as the chart above seems to imply?

I know, I know, I'm making quite a few assumptions here, but if you look at the general tendencies, you'd have to admit that it's no longer unusual that men not only don't marry, but refuse to enter any kind of relationship with women. We were discussing this and related issues in a thread on the forum some time ago, in "The End of Dating". Johnny wrote:

I feel another reason which is causing this is that the entertainment value benchmark which a "date" has to meet has gone up to a ridiculous amount. There is HD porn at your fingertips, online tv shows and movies, you have a super duper highly customized playlist of music on your phone, an exact schedule of upcoming events and classes and whatever, great food can arrive at your doorstep if need be, you can read your favorite books on your kindle etc. I mean after all this for you to spend a lot of time in a girl - she better be really special.

I couldn't agree more. Sure, there are a few very special girls out there (I'm married to one), but there is no reason your life can't be complete without a girl, and it seems that more and more men are realizing that. It can take time to find someone to spend time or your life with, and that's a choice you shouldn't take lightly. In general, though, I think that your typical average girl has very little to offer. It seems that this is an insight more and more men are making, which might explain the data of Google Trends above.

So, how healthy is the PUA Scene?

2013-05-20T16:18:00.000-07:00

It's been a while since I actively looked into the mainstream seduction community online. My perception certainly is that while there are new fads like currently Simple Pickup and Roosh, the main players have been on the way out. The other day I researched traffic patterns via Google, and look what I found:

Neil Strauss

This is celebrated author Neil Strauss, on a slow but steady downward slope. The other players --- no pun intended --- in this business didn't fare quite so well. On the other hand, Neil Strauss is quite prominent due to his other books, which helps him keep his popularity up.

Can you guess what the following graph represents?

Mystery Method

It's public interest in Mystery Method. Mystery represents mainstream (idiotic) PUA game more than anyone, given that he was the most prominent character. Thus, this graph is presumably more indicative of the scene than any other. Note the sudden spike in 2007, followed by a continuous slide.

Up next: Real Social Dynamics.

Real Social Dynamics

Things don't look so good either. It was quite obvious that business can't be as good as it used to be, given that they stopped releasing DVD-sets with PUA advice, and heavily censor their forum to keep their members in the dark. On a side note, the graph for "RSD" looks much different, but this is because RSD is more commonly used as an acronym for "repetitive stress disorder". That's what you get if you spend all your evenings writing fake reviews for RSD bootcamps and make up "lay reports". Oh, wait...

When I looked up "Real Social Dynamics", I remembered that Mystery's company was actually called "Venusian Arts". The development is even more dramatic than with "Mystery Method":

Venusian Arts

One of my favorite bullshitter was virgin-turned-PUA Mehow. I haven't looked at his websites for years, but the last time I checked it, it had a picture of him and a Bentley or Maybach, or some other car worthy of a man of his stature. I wonder what kind of car he is leasing nowadays.

Mehow

Do you remember Love Systems? They occupy a special place in my heart. I had the opportunity of witnessing their incompetent coaches "in field". This made me immediately doubt everything related to PUA. It seems that this graph is lacking some "emotional spikes":

LoveSystems

Who's missing? Well, there is Ross Jeffries' "speed seduction", but if you overlay that graph with any of the others, you realize that he never profited from the media hype around PUA. In fact, the graph starts with a downward slope:

Speed Seduction

However, based on Google's data, Jeffries only received a fraction of the interest Mystery managed to gather. Wasn't there once some big fake drama surrounding Ross and Mystery? Well, according to the data, the reality looked more like that:

Speed Seduction vs Mystery Method

"Speed Seduction" is in blue, "Mystery Method" in red.

I'll conclude this post with the other old timer of the scene, David DeAngelo. When he moved on to fake business coaching and rebranded himself as "Eben Pagan", it was an indication that the well had run dry. David D. allegedly makes 40 millions a year. You wouldn't quite guess this is you look at this:

David DeAngelo

He began mentioning those multi-million figures during a time when his popularity was already nosediving. It seems that Google supports a suspicion I occasionally stated, namely that Eben Pagan merely claimed to have made "X amount of money" to give himself some fake credentials and justify his business teaching, just like David D. claimed he was good with girls in order to justify his seduction products. But if you get laid yourself and then look at David D.'s stuff, you wonder whether he counts every time he rubs one out as a notch on his bedpost.

Here's some bonus content, in case you are a PUA shill and want to claim that "Eben Pagan" now surely makes dozens of millions teaching Internet marketing:

Battle of the Gurus: David DeAngelo vs Eben Pagan

"David DeAngelo" is on the red team, while "Eben Pagan" is dressed in blue and trying to catch up.

Guest Post: The Flawed Sociology of Roosh V (by Eagle Eyes)

2013-04-20T09:38:00.002-07:00

Since the typicial guys in the manosphere were at some point abysmal with women it wouldn't come as a shock that their knowledge about sex comes mostly from porn. Roosh made a post on his blog about whether American women had looser pussies. Keep this in mind for some of the points I'm going to raise below.

In an earlier post, "Going Abroad Just to Bang 6s? -- Taking down Roosh V", I pointed out that Roosh only goes after girls who are DTF (which is why there is basically no mention of girls he has slept with using "day game"). In a nutshell, Roosh only hooked up with American girls who were openly DTF the same night and based on THOSE GIRLS makes generalizations of American girls as a WHOLE. If you're still not convinced, read Roosh V's blog post "The morality of game".

He writes:

I know they love fucking, partying, drinking, and playing the game. They feel proud to be successfully emulating their horse-faced television role models, and are as likely to pump and dump me as the other way around...

...and:

After I was done with a girl, I knew it wouldn’t take more than a couple weeks of going out for her to get boned by a new man...

Does this sound like the type of girl you bang? It doesn't to me. But then I already mentioned the girls Roosh goes after. However, Roosh clarifies this for us even further...:

I’ll be the first to admit that many of my bangs back in the States were HATE FUCKS. The masculine attitude and lack of care these women put into their style or hair irritated me, so I made it a point to fuck them and never call again.

Did you read that? "masculine attitudes" "lack of care" in style or appearance. This description sounds EXACTLY like a 6 or 5. Heck, this is how I would describe the kind of girl that seems to turn lesbian out of necessity. Still not convinced Roosh only bangs below average American girls?:

...a “good girl,” something that I don’t believe exists in American cities. If you think about it, is it even possible for a girl to be considered good if she is BORDERLINE OVERWEIGHT, has a SLOPPY APPEARANCE...

Lets read that again... "borderline overweight" and "sloppy appearance" can you see a pattern here? Roosh is describing the type of girls he is banging, and the picture isn't pretty. Really, manosphere dudes, is this the kind of guy you want to look up to?

Still not convinced? Here, in this post Roosh rationalizes having sex with "full figured" (i.e. Fat) women:

Full figured women are also less inhibited than fragile petite girls (for reason I don’t understand), so things do get nice and sloppy even if moving her around takes more verbal commanding.

Last time I checked, there were plenty of American girls who dressed at least decently and were very slim, but apparently Roosh doesn't have a chance with those. It's obvious sluts are gonna have looser pussies...that's why they were DTF in the first place!! Because they're sluts. How stupid is this guy?
[Note: I'm not convinced this argument holds. People in committed relationships have more sex, so the pussies of those women should be looser, shouldn't they? --- A.S.]

Roosh apparently slept with "good" Polish girls (even though he admits it had NOTHING to do with his game)...about 3 or 4 of them:

Towards the END of my stay, when the THIRD or FOURTH Polish girl insisted on cleaning my apartment after I ravaged her pussy from knowing her just a few hours...

On the surface 3 or 4 lays would seem like a success, but bear in mind Roosh was in Poland for a LONG time (he mentions being there for seven months in the link above) and getting laid is pretty much his profession. Again Roosh admits:

In the past, I NEVER created a one-night stand. I banged girls who were horny, hadn’t been laid in a while, and would have probably fucked another guy if I didn’t show up...

Girls like the ones he just described are gonna behave masculine and dress sloppily...I guarantee the girls who didn't behave this way where ever he was were better looking, better dressed etc. But he's to ignorant to notice, so he goes abroad and tries to take advantage economically poorer countries where whores only sleep with him for a green card.

Here's how he describes Eastern European women:

...With these girls, sex is usually a logical act with many ECONOMICAL FACTORS weighed...The optimal game here is moving the interaction forward while casually displaying status or WEALTH, but not too much or you’ll be taken for a ride...

Nice guy, isn't he?

Guest Post: Why Roosh V is in no Position to Criticize Western Women (by Eagle Eyes)

2013-04-17T16:00:00.000-07:00

I suspect Roosh was getting laid in America (gee I sure hope so...because he certainly writes alot about it), but he was NEVER in a position to criticize American women on the whole...because he was always banging LOWER QUALITY.

For example that's like eating the worst pizzas in town and then claiming ALL pizzas are disgusting. It's all about the competition and the level of talent. A Danish 6 is not an American 6, because grades vary with the country. Yet if you can bang only 6 at home, you can still find the countries where 6 are hotter, and that's what Roosh is doing.

Have you read this entry?

Some of the girls in the pictures were decent some were not. I personally don't see the difference between these girls and the girls in most major American cities...Roosh even mentions this in the link.

I quote:

...You’re probably thinking, “Well NYC or Miami has these types of girls everywhere, too.” Great, but are banging them? Are they giving you the time of day without attitude? Are they fun to interact with? Do they know how to please you? Are you happy with them? If the answer to those questions is yes, then congratulations, you’re the man.

I have NO TROUBLE with western women...

...But I know how the situation is for the average man in most American cities.

The "average man" he is referring to isn't average at all...not everyone is as lame as him.

I don't buy the excuse that Western girls have attitude. Initially, some of them do...but it's all an act, otherwise they'd have no friends. Girls in the Ukraine or Poland may behave differently...but that doesn't make them more easier to bang (Roosh even admits on the link above).

Let's now talk about the type of girls Roosh hooks up with. He clearly tells us the types of girls he goes after (whether it's in American or abroad).

In this post Roosh shows everyone how limited he really is:

This Saturday night I’m going out NOT to practice my game, build my skills, make a girl laugh, entertain her friends, or have a good time. I'M GOING OUT TO FUCK. EVERYTHING I DO after the moment I leave my door will be to find a girl who is open to having sex with me that same night.

This guy obviously watches too much porn (another thing he openly admits)...what he STILL doesn't realize (this post is quite old) is that if you go out looking specifically for sex, girls will sense this...especially the hot ones.

I urge everyone to read these quotes from the entry. My conclusion will make sense in the end...trust me:

Your fuck funnel is the series of steps you take from the approach all the way to sex. MOST GIRLS will drop out as they go through your funnel by losing interest, declaring they have a boyfriend, flaking out, throwing up, or a multitude of other reasons that prevent sex. This means that for ever one girl you fuck, you have to approach A LOT of girls...

and again:

...MY GOAL is to get laid EVERY NIGHT I go out, something that can only be reached by PASSING ON GIRLS WHO ARE NOT GOOD PROSPECTS.

Are you guys still with me?

I have found out that GIRLS WHO WANT TO FUCK ME THE SAME NIGHT tend to give eerily similar responses to my stock answers.

Long quotes, so I apologize. But the capitals emphasize my point...Roosh ONLY goes for girls who are DTF. This is guaranteed to give you paltry results...because the HOTTER the girl, the MORE options she has...the LESS likely she will be willing to fuck someone she just met the same night EVEN IF SHE LIKES YOU.

Now, in my next quote think of the type of girl who would do this:

...I ask her if she’s getting drunk. She’ll say no and then I respond, “Well then how about I buy you ten shots of vodka and then take advantage of you?” She’ll laugh at this and say she doesn’t want ten shots of vodka. Then I joke, “How about I put a drug in your drink?” I mime the act of drugging her drink. If the girl stiffens up and says, “No drugs you rapist!” then she will not fuck me that night. If a girl laughs, and then soon leaves her drink unattended in my presence, I guarantee you I’m fucking her. It has happened to me countless times where I hit her with my drug joke and she asks me to watch her drink while she goes to the bathroom...

In case you missed it Roosh emphasizes the type of girl again:

...Think about that for a second: she’s leaving her drink unattended with a guy who just joked about raping her.

Did you think of the type of girl yet? I bet it wasn't a 9...heck, I bet it wasn't even a 7.

Even worse in fact, is that in this post Roosh inadvertently proves that the Polish girls he banged were BIGGER "SLUTS" than the American sluts...

I quote:

In the past, I NEVER CREATED A ONE-NIGHT STAND. I banged GIRLS WHO WERE HORNY, HADN"T BEEN LAID IN A WHILE, and would have PROBABLY FUCKED ANOTHER GUY IF I DIDN"T SHOW UP".

This, of course is referring to the American girls he banged in the past. Girls who are "horny" (without being turned on) "...hadn't been laid in a while..." (which is him inadvertently admitting girls who are too ugly to get laid) and "...would've fucked another guy if I didn't show up..." (again the subtext here is sluts who would fuck ANYONE...these girls tend to be UGLY and are NOT the hot ones).

So Roosh wasn't fucking the NORMAL American girls but the HOES...(which he then idiotically suggests is ALL American girls...which is born out of the frustration of not getting with the hots ones).

But what about the Polish girls?

I quote:

...But in Poland I created bangs. They HAD BOYFRIENDS or were ACTIVELY GETTING FUCKED BY ANOTHER GUY. They WEREN"T cruising for cock and some NEVER had a one-night stand before...

In Poland (apparently) girls who weren't sluts were fucking him (which was NOT happening in America)...meaning they WERE BIGGER sluts than the American girls.

And before you start praising Roosh for banging Polish sluts in this thread...

Roosh admits:

Even in Poland, a place I've lavished much praise on, (which he rightly would...because it was the one place where he ACTUALLY got laid) I have not hesitated to tell you of the BUTTERFACE problem. The truth is that Polish girls GET SMOKED in most Eastern European countries...

Translation? In America, Roosh ONLY banged ugly sluts...However, in Poland, Roosh...ONLY banged ugly sluts.

The End.

Guest Post: The Mind of the Average Manosphere Blogger (by Eagle Eyes)

2013-04-17T03:46:00.002-07:00

Roosh loves many foreign women because supposedly they have traditional roles, aren't sluts, are feminine, dress better, can dance, can cook, etc, etc. So what does he do? Does he marry one? Does he get into a LTR? No, he treats them exactly the same as American women..."pumps them and dumps them".

Looking closely at the entries on his blog and his posts on his forum...one quickly realizes he doesn't go foreign because it's better...he goes foreign because it's supposedly easier. But he'll never find success where ever he goes because his intentions are all wrong. The best example of this is his pathetic blog entry titled The beginning of the end, where he reveals what goes on in his troubled mind:

The notch was a great metric that kept me motivated in the game longer than my natural disposition. I wanted to hit a high number so that I COULD FEEL LIKE A MAN.

Is anyone here surprised manosphere bloggers have sex because they want to feel like men?

Here's more:

There were girls I banged just so I could send a “+1″ text to my friends and GET VALIDATED by their positive response...

Is anyone here surprised manosphere bloggers have sex so they can feel validated?

and more:

The flag was a new metric that kept me not only banging but traveling as well...

Notice how he uses the flag metric as a motivation for traveling...not a single mention of traveling because the women are supposedly "better".

Also, how about...I don't know...having sex because it's enjoyable?

And if you thought that wasn't pathetic enough...Roosh reveals the one constant thought of all manosphere bloggers:

...On that night, for the first time in eleven and a half years, getting laid was no longer THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY in my life.

How lame must a persons life be for them to put getting laid as the number one priority in their life?

The answer is here.

For the TLDR's among us just read point 11) and 13):

11. Most of my life is boring. I spend several hours a day in front of my laptop...What you read comes from less than 15% or less of my actual existence...

and

13. ...As I age it’s getting harder to make friends because I’m becoming more particular and neurotic...

Well, there you have it, the mind of the average manosphere blogger.

Guest Post: Going Abroad Just to Bang 6s? -- Taking down Roosh V (by Eagle Eyes)

2013-04-11T02:20:00.000-07:00

I have been working on a piece on Roosh V, pointing out some of the more egregious misconceptions and lies he spreads, but one of my readers just did an absolutely fabulous job, so I will replicate his work here --- and rewrite the post I had intended to publish.

There is something pathetic about boasting to strangers on the internet about your "notch count" and your "harem". There is also something pathetic about meeting up with strangers and traveling to a "unknown" part of the world...

The very nature of Roosh's website attracts social misfits. Since Roosh criticizes American women, American men who can't get laid with attractive (or in some cases any) American women are naturally going to criticize them rather than themselves...and since being misfits, long for others that feel the same. They search google with words like "American girls suck" or "American girls are sluts" and Hey Presto! A link to Roosh's website comes up. Smart, yet pretty obvious.

People who are mentally weak are afraid of change, so they are willing to blame something else other than themselves. It's pretty ironic how they like to talk about the female rationalization hamster...

I remember someone telling me if people go about their lives constantly lying (and more importantly lying to themselves) inconsistencies and contradictions will inevitably arise.

Roosh criticizes American women, says foreign women are feminine and will make men happier.

I quote:

Most guys who dabble in dating travel do it not because they can’t get laid in America, but because they want to lay better...

and...

If being happier means being outcast by low-quality women who don’t even act like women, then so be it. South America, Southeast Asia, and Eastern Europe, here we come...

and yet, over a year later posts this:

The better looking you are, the happier you will be in America. When you consider that American women will actively chase good-looking men, I don’t see the urgent need for handsome men to hit the road in Eastern Europe or South America.

But why still not travel Roosh? I thought you said men wanted to date better? I thought American women weren't feminine? Why would "handsome" men be happier in America?

Since he apparently can no longer bang western women, what type of western women was Roosh banging before?

well, in this post Roosh says:

You’ll do what I have done in Washington DC and carry the Britannica of game on your back just to get with 7s.

So, straight from the horses mouth. Roosh maximized banging 7s (I'm going to assume he was being generous when he said 7s) and below...watch how his rationalization hamster justifies banging hogs:

At the bar I identify the top two or three girls...If the 8s don’t bite I move to the 7s. If the 7s don’t bite then it’s on to the 6s. If the 6s don’t bite then I go to the 5s to see if they are capable of giving me a boner....

Hands up if you can guess how many times Roosh ends up banging the 5s?

But that's why Roosh goes abroad right? Where being a green card...Sorry, I mean an American will have women throwing their panties at you the minute you step off the airport right? But even Roosh isn't stupid enough to believe that, so he says:

...how you’ll do abroad is based on how well you do at home.

So Roosh was banging 6s only to go abroad and bang...foreign 6s?

May I ask...what's the point?

I don't criticize Roosh going abroad if he thinks it's "easier" but attacking American women because the hot ones give you no love is cheap.

Two Reader Comments on the Manosphere Invasion of Russia

2013-04-11T01:49:00.002-07:00

There was quite a response to my exposure of the follies of the Roosh V forum crew who plans an invasion of Russia, settle in some "Russian shithole"and bang all the local women. I just want to share two of them with you. The first one is from Kurt, which was sent via email:

I had a friend who quite a few years ago, traveled a bit around the former Soviet Union. He said it was one if the hardest places ever, for hooking up with women. A little backstory, this guy at one time had a really hot "9" easy, long term relationship, was well traveled, was socially adept, and was pretty good looking and used to have women offer to buy HIM drinks! Where does that leave these bozos?

I guess the answer is that should they indeed go to Russia, they'll fap off to Russian Internet porn there. I can't even imagine how stupid this would feel.

The second comment was by Jared on the fourth post covering this human tragedy. I like how succinctly he summarized everything that is wrong with the planned expedition:

These guys really don't have a clue do they?
1) Unless they're loaded, how will they support themselves?
2) You can bang hookers anywhere in the world. Big deal.
3) Russian backwaters are kinda racist.In the same way that the Universe is 'kinda big'.
4) Siberia is bloody cold. Good luck sporting the tidy gear.
5) The white God factor. Oh dear. Is there a deluded people only disclaimer on these forums? Sounds like a neo Nazi karaoke competition.
6) Pussy paradise doesn't exist. Period. Except maybe Romania (it's been invaded by just about everyone over history, nice mix of genes) but I'm sure there's no shortage of uglies there too.
Anyway I'm ranting about idiots, I only hope one day they see the true state of things.

I'm currently taking a breather, but I intend to add at least one more post on the Great Manosphere Trip to Russia series.

The Great Manosphere Invasion of Russia (Part IV)

2013-04-08T14:48:00.000-07:00

Onward to part four, comrades!

One big theme was of course the mystical pussy paradise, which is supposed to exist off the beaten track somewhere deep in Russia. Regular women don't do if for those guys. Instead, they fantasize about getting pornstars, as was pointed out by a commenter to part III of this ongoing report. In addition, the guys seem to overly confident. What struck me as downright absurd was how much of a sure thing they thought going to Russia is. Not having been there, they make the wildest demands:

A lot of information can be deduced from these pics, like for example in Cheboksary, there are some nice looking girls, but there really aren't many blonde girls. For those of us who like girls with a particular look, your site is gold. Keep up the good work.

So, to reiterate: the girls have to meet all kinds of criteria, but those dudes don't think they should have to bring anything to the table besides their "white god factor". This reminds me of the PUA bullshitters who claim that "looks don't matter", yet on the other hand only want to bang "10s". Exploring this topic in more detail would be worthy of another post, though.

At one point, comparisons between guy who are "slaying pussy" in the Dominican Republic were drawn:

just read this entire thread and boy this is looking like a truly epic adventure in the making if we do make it there with 3-4 hardcore guys from here who have their shits together. I love the idea of getting together say in early Sept 2013 and meeting in say Moscow or Ste Pets and from there, get on the Trans Siberia train and then once in the selected city, we could rent/or buy a cheap car/van and go sexplore the region otherwise, we'd get bored to death in some of these shit holes. Depending on how many of us would go there, we could then decide to either get one sick pad, say a luxury 3-4 bedroom penthouse in the best/poshest area in town and share the costs.
I'm really looking forward for this and I'm sure with the well travelled guys who will be part of this it will be a blast. Add to this the local expertise of BB and it will be truly epic that it will DWARF anything the boys in the DR can do...

The back story is something along the lines of: a couple of guys from Roosh's forum went to the Dominican Republic and banged hookers there. It wasn't quite spelled out like that but you don't exactly have to be Einstein to figure that out. The Russian crew, though, doesn't seem to realize at all that you simply pay for whores in the Dominican Republic. The girls ask for cab money or a "tip" or whatever other pretense, but it's still prostitution. This has nothing to do with "game" or any kind of imperialist fantasy whatsoever.

So, what do you have to do if you just know that you're going to bang one Russian pornstar after another in an oasis like Murmansk? Of course you're going to learn the language:

Yeah, i have started learning the language too, maybe we can get rotation groups going like the DR boys, anyone up from mid-december 2013? it's the only time i'll be able to come but i'm really interested on doing this.

By the way, if you want to learn Russian fast, try this genius method:

I learned the alphabet and I have been watching youtube videos of song that have the russian and english lyrics on the screen at the same time. That and learning the 1000 most common words, and phrases. This is what helped me learn spanish so fast. Well that and babylon. I think Rosetta stone is the biggest waste of time personally.

I'm sure you'll be perfectly fluent afterwards.

As a first goal, Novosibirsk was declared to be the dream destination:

Until someone comes up with something better, than Novosibirsk it is it. I am sure there are many siberian villages and towns we can explore also. One thing I found about even with just my brother here in Natal, Brazil, a city of even 800,000 is not enough for 2 or 3 players, especially when there are other foreigners around.

I can see a new branch of applied mathematics emerging: player math. More seriously, though, that guy involuntarily gave an interesting insight into the player psyche since he factored in the abysmally low success rate of the PUA crowd. I guess you really need to live in a city of 3 million if you have to approach 1,000 women to get one date.

Novosibirsk is getting a lot of love,let's find some examples of apartments in the town and prices. It seems like a decent place,big and with plenty of entertainment options. I think we can take it for granted that the quality there is pretty epic. I agree we should pencil it in as our destination. If anyone has other suggestions for a location then by all means speak up and we can debate it's merits too.

One guy was wondering whether they could find a place like this in "2nd tier Russia". I found it quite amusing that the description of that place (in Spain) said:

We don't want crazy young kids or older guys staying here. If you plan to party here and annoy the neighbors this is not the apartment for you.

The Roosh V troupe, though, seems to be a mixture of exactly those two demographics.

Oh, 007, are you watching that thread too? Those guys now want to go undercover and might need your help.

Does anyone into this play an instrument? I'm a singer songwriter and being "a band" would be good cover.

Finally, a healthy does of reality:

The sad thing is that we have 273 posts without boots on the ground. The DR guys went with guns blasting. It is a harder mission but my word----- if Russian Embassy in Ecuador does not intefere with, I will be there with guitar, muscles and my mediocre Russian in Siberia in August.

Of course, the big difference is that in the Dominican Republic, you can bang hookers all day for a modest "tip", so it was a much more attractive proposition to middle-aged guys whom no woman in the West wants to touch with a ten-foot pole. Oh, sorry, I forgot that it's just the guys who don't want to deal with Western women because they are all so shitty. I wonder what would happen if someone explained to them how "ego protection" works.

One guy later on really cracked me up. He was one of the earliest contributors, and guess what he did after about 300 posts in the thread:

Ok I have looked at the map of Russia, it is the largest country in the world and Siberia is huge.
Driving to the destination would take forever from Germany and like someone rightly mentioned earlier, tough when you are with "strangers".
My question is, how much is it to fly to Siberia from the UK? It isn't something you see advertised too often.

So, he was fantasizing about Russia before without even bothering to look at a map. Oh, the stupidity!

Of course, reality TV got revealed to be a huge influence too:

Just curious does anyone here watch the show Departures? It's about 2 Canadian guys who travel the world and just take in all different cultures. This is originally what inspired me too travel and originally led me to this site.
They did an Episode on Siberia before and it's the thing that originally inspired me to visit Russia. For those who haven't been there I'm presuming this would be a very good representation of what to expect there.
(...)
Yeah, another funny part when he says "if you ever want celebrity status come to city-x and you'll be greeted like you've never been greeted before."

The first response was:

I like where this is going.

So do I.

The Great Manosphere Invasion of Russia (Part III)

2013-04-06T14:48:00.002-07:00

I had to take a bit of a break from covering the collective tragedy the Roosh V forum crew was getting into. The amount of bullcrap I can stomach is quite limited, and the first two posts of this series exceeded my quota. Anyway, where were we?

Right, after collectively enjoying fantasies of a pussy paradise somewhere in the hinterlands of Russia, and gathering all kinds of information, our heroes already see themselves swimming in pussy, thanks to their self-declared "white god factor". Any notion of precaution or rationality was quickly thrown in the wind. It seemed that nothing could stop those young adventurers, but a surprise event led to a major setback. BrownBear, who took it upon himself to meticulously research Russia's B- and C-cities, surprisingly called it quits:

I wish I could go with you guys...the heart has been broken (...) She is a 10 to me and I moved to a different city and it's over. But life goes on, I have no regrets I'm very young still.

So, all the while he was fantasizing not only about banging women by the dozen in Russia, he has also been ogling some random plain Jane in his home country, and now she's gone. The immaturity is staggering. With BrownBears withdrawal, some well-kept secrets where shared with the Roosh V forum, like how one would "pipeline" girls well before you arrive. This is how it works, according to BrownBear:

You can just make an account on mamba.ru and start talking to girls in cities that you want to go to. Pick who you like and use google translator to talk to them.

There is absolutely nothing that could go wrong with this genius idea.

It seemed that the Russian Roosh V members were concerned that this army of international playboys would actually get anywhere with the girls:

To my russian brothers who say that I'll "ruin our women" please tell me why does it matter who they have fun with? Maybe we will begin to value how wonderful they are and actually provide them with what they deserve.

LOL. I guess that's what you get when you take a collective frenzy seriously. This reminds me of those moronic threads you frequently see popping up on forums all over the internet that go along the lines of "what if...", with the if-part highly unrealistic. For some strange reason, there is never a shortage of guys who offers their opinion on how they'd invest a million dollars, where they'd go on vacation if they had all the time and money in the world, or which porn star they'd like to fuck. The shallowness on the Internet goes surprisingly deep if you care to explore it.

It's difficult to see whether the thread starter, Vorkuta, is just a troll or actually serious. Witness the following exchange. Guy 1 writes:

You ever been to Abakan BB? It seems to have a lot of boxes ticked: poor provincial city,university,airport,Asian looking chicks but the population is very low at only 165,000. Something about the city just makes me think it is full of slutty chicks willing to suck dick if it offers a way out.

Guy 2 responds:

Are you tempted? That would be absolutely hardcore although going there could end up in you getting a few slaps off the local gopniki. I would thread with caution in going to these small places. In larger cities, you can be more anonymous and smash more women without anybody knowing.

But Vorkuta thinks absolutely nothing of it:

I agree that the large cities are best for quantities but I like the challenge and rawness of these off the track provincial holes. I think the best solution is to be in a big city but one that is only an hour or two from some smaller towns so you can live in comfort but delve into the rawer towns when you want to. To be fair,I guess pretty much any city has its satellite towns so it should not be hard to find.

It seems that once you put some guys together and let them "brainstorm", stupidity will have no bounds. First, it was just about a pussy paradise, but then some dude put up a picture of a chick from one of those sites where Russian women sell them off to basically the highest bidder. Here's the chick:

The dude asks,

How accessible is this kind of quality, as a foreigner with limited Russian?
Keep in mind that the makeup and studio lighting add half a point or more to her appearance.

Well, Sherlock, on the site where you found that picture, that girl hopes or hoped to find some rich Westerner to marry her and pay her $10k+ a month pocket money, yet you seriously think that you'd get the same if you're broke and go to some random Russian city in the middle of nowhere!? Those women want to cash in their looks but, hey, maybe they'd also get with some random dude in exchange for a quarter-ounce of semen. This somehow reminds of some of the absurd fads in the PUA community like "stripper game" and "hooker game" where the PUAs claimed to teach you how to fuck those women. I guess it takes a special kind of stupid to pay $2.5k for a bootcamp with a guy like Vin DiCarlo who then pays fifty bucks or so to a stripper so that the client gets a quick hand job in the strip club. But I digress. Let's get back to the story.

BrownBear, who revealed to live in some Russian city of 70,000 and who is heartbroken over his "personal 10", responded:

I don't know to be honest, depends on who you are and how you represent yourself, but from my experience I haven't had problems with women like that (I'll show you pictures if we ever meet up) and I've lived in America for a long time, but you probably should learn russian more though!

Right. I bet in his small city he has to fight to get those women away from him.

Part IV will be up tomorrow, where we'll continue our exploration of the collective "mighty whitey" fantasy of the Roosh V forum crowd.

The Great Manosphere Invasion of Russia (Part II)

2013-03-19T17:35:00.002-07:00

In Mark Twain's The Adventures of Tom Sawyer one episode consists of Tom and his friends trying to become "pirates", so they leave the village behind to live off mother nature. It quickly turns out that their romantic notions were quite mistaken. One passage describes how they feasted on some meager fish:

They fried the fish with the bacon, and were astonished; for no fish had ever seemed so delicious before. They did not know that the quicker a fresh-water fish is on the fire after he is caught the better he is; and they reflected little upon what a sauce open-air sleeping, open-air exercise, bathing, and a large ingredient of hunger make, too.

At this point you can probably see the parallels to the Roosh V forum crew already. They are starved for food, er, pussy, and anything would do. We left them when they were collectively fantasizing about being "the only ticket in town" in some remote corner of Russia. What happened next?

Well, what happened was the equivalent of Tom Sawyer and his crew merely seeing some fish in the distance, and starting to salivate. Some dude dug out pictures of "Club Amsterdam" in Volgograd, which showed scenes like this:

Party on, bros!

Two black dudes about to have a threesome each...

I don't see anything that's remotely close to a pussy paradise, to be honest. Even worse, going through the photo stream of that club reveals that the quality of the women really isn't all that great:

Really makes you want to go to Volgograd right away, doesn't it?

I guess perceptions change if you believe that any girl there would fuck you just because you're from the USA. How has this spiel been working out for Roosh? Oh, wait... Quality isn't such a great concern for the Roosh V forum crowd, and people are falling over themselves to prematurely celebrate their victory. Apparently they thought they really had found a treasure.

Russia-nauts: Houston we have a problem.
Houston:What's that?
Russia-nauts: We don't want to come back to the whales of Earth.

The nighclub pics were really encouraging.

One pussy paradise isn't enough. The existence of another one was postulated:

Just wait guys, there are better cities where the women are even hotter and the men are more ugly and dress like shit!

Many of the alleged proofs for the existence of god are conducted along the same lines: x is true because I say so. But where then are all the hot Russian women hiding? Forum member "BrownBear" made use of his highly-developed analytical skills:

I already collected most of the links for everynight club (Except the huge cities I didn't put all the places for them) in over 75 cities now I'm just looking over each night club and reading reviews/gathering pictures/videos/hours of operation etc... I'll do it my way..

President I haven't only collected nightclub data, but pubs,bars,restaurants, grills and then I will do hotels.

Imagine what working out a similar amount of time would have done for him and his chances with the women in his city. He wouldn't even have to travel to Volgograd in the end. He also spoke of "turning this into an app". I see, it's all about passive income! He eventually started his own forum at http://russianexpatnightlife.com/ Sadly, he forgot to take precautions against spamming, which is why there are tens of thousands of posts by spam bots on there. Way to go!

I found it quite amazing that those guys have apparently never seen women in their life, judging from the comments to the pictures of those thoroughly mediocre looking chicks:

I have spent the last few days looking at those nightclub pics, all I can say is WOW!

Sadly, he seemed serious, just like some other dude a little later:

Those photos are incredible. It's like a professional level stage show. The girls are unreal. Russian chicks combine refined intellect and luscious animality. They are so hot.

I wonder how he managed to assess the intellect of some random chicks on pictures.

Speaking of refined intellects, some other guy chimed in:

I wouldn't put too much emphasis on what country you are from. 90% these girls don't know Brazil from Mexico and many think Canada is part of the United States. 90% of girls know nothing about geography! Fucking Zero and don't give a shit. They will judge you by how you present yourself!

Not knowing shit, yet having strong opinions about everything. Why aren't those guys pursuing a career in business or politics?

Thread starter Vorkuta had even more genius ideas to make "pussy slaying" even easier. Heck, pussy may just slay itself in the end.

I think we should chip in and buy an old Lada over there to use as the RVF pussy hunting mobile,just think of the kinds of places we'll be able to hunt in if we have our own set of wheels!

I guess if you hand the valet the keys to your Lada, all the girls will just flash their tits for you. By the way, this is what a (well-kept) old Lada looks like:

The new number plate will be PZY-SLR 69

Going back to a more serious topic, sex tourist Neil Skywalker warns a black dude not to take the risks lightly:

As for being black in Russia: Maybe it works out in cities like Moscow but I wouldn't go rural if I were you. Once I passed through Moscow I haven't seen one black person in 7 weeks of traveling in Russia and Kazakhstan. This might make you special and some girls might like you for it but it also makes you an easy target for Gopniks with no future besides getting drunk on vodka early in the morning and who have no problem cutting your face up with a broken beer bottle just because you're talking to "their" girls.
I had to deal with them more than a few times while walking down the street or in trains. They could already target me as a foreigner by my non-slavic face and brown eyes. Imagine how you are gonna stand out.
You're welcome to try it and I would admire you for your guts but you've been warned .

So, finally a guy who has been in Russia. All objections were quickly discarded, with BrownBear offering to, "become a personal guard for RVF members"

Delusion after delusion:

Yes that is why it is wise to be in a group, when we set up shop in a 2nd or 3rd tier city in Russia. You should come once we have picked the city. We can pay you to be our english teacher and buy you drinks when we go out, since you will be watching our backs. If Neil, who is a white dutchman, got some harrasment, I am sure we will be targets once we start slaying the local pussy.

When another guy wanted to tell the those would-be adventures that they are merely fantasizing, there was no reaction either:

When I was in the Ukraine, many guys that were not players came expecting a poossy paradise . They ended up sitting in hotel lobbies talking to other men. Girls are not just sitting around waiting for some foreign dude to show up to jump on his dick. So you better come with your game tight or else it could be a cold winter or maybe cool summer! You have to give her a reason to want to date you, DHV.

Apart from the game and DHV bullshit, it's a realistic assessment. After all, how are those guys who have a really hard time getting laid back home going to get laid in a country where they don't speak the language and have zero interest in the culture or anything else. So, they'd either sit in their hotel rooms or the hotel lobby, while back home everything sounded like a done deal, like that:

I would like it to have a) Asian girls, and b) accessible by airport. Really we need to take Partizan's advice and aim for cities 800K and up. I don't care how good the pussy is, you will get bored if there is nothing else there to do, however I will not be able to spend 2 months there. I mentioned some city names upthread.

He doesn't care "how good the pussy is" --- as if it is guaranteed that all Russian women he'll come across will throw themselves at him.

Part III will start with a surprise twist. Stay tuned!

The Great Manosphere Invasion of Russia (Part I)

2013-03-17T16:42:00.000-07:00

Russia is seemingly invincible. In 1812, Napoleon tried to invade Russia. He suffered a great defeat. In 1941, the Nazis undertook "Operation Barbarossa", the largest military operation in history. The Germans never recovered from their losses, and it was a prime cause for losing WWII. Of course, after WWII was over, the cold war began. Eventually, the Berlin Wall came down, the USSR lost some of its territory. Yet, Russia is still strong, and growing stronger.

However, the fate of Russia may turn this autumn. Napoleon has failed. Hitler was defeated. But as it turned out, the USA aren't quite done yet. As it so happened, Roosh V's goons have been plotting an invasion of Russia and intend to right many wrongs. They have been denied pussy in their home country, so they are now going to the Russian hinterlands and take what is rightfully theirs.

In a perfect exemplification of the Mighty Whity trope Roosh V forum member Vorkuta calls his brothers to rise up. His first post perfectly sets the tone for the train wreck that is unfolding over 22 pages of forum posts:

I think we have all at times imagined moving to a shit hole in deepest Russia,somewhere way off the beaten track and spend a few months using our white god factor to the max to bang a stream of hot local women. Well,time is ticking and so that dream can either remain just that,a dream or it can be put into action and followed through on. Of course nothing is stopping any of us going solo and renting an apartment in some random town and seeing if pussy paradises still exist. However I think it would be a lot more fun to do it with a few like minded RVF members. These cities are not getting easier,they will become more difficult and with Russia hosting the World Cup in 2018 etc. the place is going to change. Let's get in whilst being foreign still means something.

Not a man of modesty, he lays out his vision:

So the plan would be simple: we choose a city somewhere in Russia,somewhere off the track,and rent a plush apartment in the centre of town and then spend a month or two or three in an alcohol and Viagra induced debauched daze where we work our way through the town's and nearby town's women. It would not be for lightweights,no guys looking for 'relationships',just constant conquest seeking adventures in random dodgy night clubs,suburban apartments and university dormitories.

At this point, the protagonist would normally wake up, take a shower and have breakfast, but, no, this wasn't a dream. Instead, it was going to become reality:

The idea as I would envision it would be to have say three or four guys as the
main advance party who rent an apartment and are based in it for a month or two and then other members with less time can come out to visit for a weekend/week or so to experience the delights. I think that as a team we would be unstoppable and encourage each other to push the boundaries of what is possible as opposed to when you're alone and sometimes can't be assed going out. We would kill it out there,or maybe just get killed. Either way,adventure is guaranteed. This is once in a lifetime stuff,something to tell your Russian grandchildren about.

Please note the military language.

This is the kind of post you would read, laugh, and move on with your life. However, Roosh V's forum is located in an alternative reality. Within hours, other men awoke from their slumber and wanted to join "Vorkuta" on his mission. Pledges to learn Russian are made, and promising cities singled out. Early contenders were Krasnoyarsk, Omsk, and Novosibirsk. The more women the better, it seems. But of course it would be off the beaten path because otherwise "being foreign" won't mean a thing.

I had a hard time believing those guys are actually serious. One dude chimed in:

I like the idea but think it's OK to have LTR guys in on it and here's why:
Players will benefit from having Betas like me around, because then the womens' fantasy of LTR will help make them more willing to ONS.

You have to stand in awe of this high level of critical thinking.

Of course, the idea of the pussy paradise is popular among those guys:

Asian Russia is the last untapped well of pristine beautiful women. But like anything great, it would be difficult for the lone wolf traveler to pull off.
It would be the first time RVF members would go together to a place......like Cortes headed with his men to Mexico.

So, you think they're hiding 5,000 young beautiful Russian girls there who aren't allowed to interact with any men, just with members of Roosh V's forum once they finally show up? Don't worry, dude, if you don't get laid in Russia, you just have to convert to some other religion and, with some luck and ambition on your part, you'll be rewarded with 72 virgins after your death. 72 virgins, dude!

Of course, the bible of bullshitting, Tim Ferriss' 4 Hour Work Week, is familiar to those guys as well:

We are all responsible for the community except the above have been voted in who provide oversight. We pool our money and come up with various ideas for passive and extra income . Then from there we slay poon

Just imagine that! Move to Krasnoyarsk, shack up with legendary Roosh V forum members, fuck every woman in town, and make millions off Google Ad Words. This sounds like a dream.

Objections were quickly discarded:

Some of you guys are overly fuckin paranoid. All this is gonna be is a small group of guys living together who party a lot. Not different from a frat house or any of those tools on RSDN who live together trying to reinvest a new project hollywood. All the discussed cities have over a million people so being recognized too often shouldn't be an issue."

As the thread went on, there were some surprising revelations. One guy who claimed to have learnt some Russian wrote:

This thread is getting me so excited. I learned the Russian Alphabet and numbers a month ago, it's time to start puting in some time.

Of course, if you are a white foreigner and know the alphabet, then nothing will go wrong. He can already ask all the willing young girls for their age and if they're older than 18, quickly send them away. I've got to say that I admire that dude's efficiency. Always keep your eyes on the ball! Always.

He followed up with:

Russian is a tough language. In a month I will be in Phuket, and I want to use my crappy russian to show the Russian tourists how I appreciate their culture and sth haha. So that is my current motivation as Thailand is one of the main tourist destinations for Russians

This is symptomatic for Roosh and his followers. They have an incredibly limited horizon. Instead of subcultures, Roosh just sees "hipsters", and any kind of culture can be quickly ignored. But, hey, he's got a cock, she's got a pussy, so let's just get it on, right! Right?

As I dug deeper into this thread, I realized that my parallels to some military operations in the past weren't far-fetched. Just look at this descendent of Karl von Clausewitz:

I think you guys should rent apartments in different sections of town. Having twelve foreigners in one complex is going to look suspicious, and drop your exotic factor. Start in your original apartment, and slay pussy in that area for a month. Then switch apartments with another member and work on that side of town.
Take notes where you were pulling, and pass them off to the next guy during the move. You guys can cover more ground this way, get involved in more social circles, and bring the other members in accordingly.
Set this up right and you guys can help each other get laid without a lot of effort.

Just like Hitler, though, the leader of the pack, Vorkuta, is severely deluded. Not only does he imagine a bunch of random losers from the Internet "cleaning up the town". No, even on their train ride to whatever city deep in Russia they are going to, they'll be going at it:

I see an inevitable 'RVF Trans-Siberian Fuckfest' happening. Seven days of debauched train travel from Moscow to Vladivostok.
Russian trains are well set up for game: all compartments are mixed sex so you end up sharing long journeys with women. In the day time passengers stand in the coridoors chatting and gazing out the window so you just have to walk the length of the train and you get talking to people. Trains have restaurant cars serving alcohol so you can insta-date to the restaurant car. Every carriage has a Provodnitsa who looks after you,stokes the samovar etc. Sometimes you can be lucky and get a hot one - she has her own private bedroom. Even if you only end up sharing with a babushka in your compartment,by tbe time you've shared your drink and food with her for a couple days you'll have bonded to the point where she will want to introduce you to her granddaughter when you reach your destination. Fuck planes,trains are the way to go in the FSU.

Sure, that's totally what it's going to be like.

Support only grew as the thread got longer:

Anyone got any data on how much this would cost? This sounds like a fucking solid idea

Yes, it's so fucking solid that you need a deluded "leader" who tells you how incredibly convinced he is:

I know people are saying Novosibirsk but my hunch is that loads of foreigners have been before for study or tourism etc. I think we need a large town that isn't on the Trans-Siberian. What about Syktyvkar or Kirov? Bratsk or Barnaul? Maybe the best option is a place in the Urals from where we can hit different towns on the weekends. Personally speaking I don't need cinemas and nice restaurants or museums. I just want a run down shit hole where we will be the only ticket in town. I want us to walk into a club and the place falls silent as everyone turns to stare at the foreigners. From there we will go to work. This is 100% possible to find,I'm convinced of it.

On one side, you have people who have completely lost touch with reality, on the other, some people tried to point out some potential problems:

Everything generally takes twice as long as you think it will and will be half as successful as you think.
That doesn't mean to be pessimistic, but adjust your parameters and plan better so you actually achieve what you want.
Right now the elephant in the room is visas. We need to find out a successful, repeatable visa application procedure. I might be wrong but I think the new visa rules for Americans may not require registration in Russia, a good thing.

What followed? Of course:

you are pessimistic. Go execute your DHVs while I'm pulling the chick from under your nose.

What happened next? Pictures of pretty plain looking chicks in some night club in Volgograd were posted, and the guys got really, really excited.

Stay tuned for part II.

Manosphere Myths: The Pussy Paradise

2013-03-16T04:08:00.000-07:00

The manosphere is obsessed with many things, most of them entirely imaginary. One of the strongest collective delusions in that corner of the Internet is the belief that right where you live, the women suck, but that somewhere else they literally throw themselves at you just because you happen to have a pulse. It's the myth of the pussy paradise, namely that in some other place the women will literally throw themselves at any (foreign) man.

Roosh V himself is a prime example. I don't want to bash the poor guy this time, but instead talk about the people on his forum. They think that it's only the fault of the women in their area if they get rejected over and over. This must be the case because their idol Roosh V himself says that the women in [insert random country] suck. Salvation is to be found elsewhere, so Roosh travels all over the world, and doesn't really get anywhere with girls, and his forum members aspire to be like him. They don't get laid at home either but believe that in some faraway land things will be much different.

On Roosh's forum you'll find thread after thread after thread were those guys are wondering where in the world the women are beautiful and willing, and which country they should take a vacation in. At the moment, though, they are panicking because the EU plans to crack down on sex tourism.

Let's just be blunt and say it like it is: yes, in some unfortunate circumstances your environment can severely hinder your chances with women, simply because there aren't enough around. Just look at demographics. For instance, in the US there is a surplus of women on the East Coast, while there is an enormous surplus of men on the West Coast. You may have seen this map from National Geographic before:

I hear relatively frequently from guys in the Bay Area who complain about a dearth of women. Given the demographics, especially if you working in the technology sector, this is not an illusion. It simply boils down to a trade-off. Yes, career prospects may be better in a technology hub, but you may also limit your life in other areas. Presumably, you wouldn't want to spent your entire life working on an oil rig either. The money is good, though, so I can understand the motivation.

However, in most places there are enough single men and single women out there, and meeting someone new shouldn't be a challenge. Of course, it's necessary to take a realistic look at yourself, and that's the kind of advice many women should take to heart as well. If you don't get anywhere with women in your city, it's most likely not the fault of the women. With the exception of sex tourism hotspots, it won't get easier abroad. This is especially true if you think you can spend a week in, say, Norway or Denmark, and find your future bride there.

Sex tourism is based on economic inequality. There is a good reason why there are Russian mail-order brides, but not Swedish or Norwegian ones. The latter countries are highly developed, and you as a foreigner will most likely have a lower economic status. Please don't cite skewed GDP per capita figures now. Those figures are high for the US as well, but the average American is much worse off than the average Dane or Swede. So, simply being from the US won't quite cut it there.

Sure, you can look "exotic" abroad, which is a benefit of some races, but not all. In general, though, you will do as well or badly abroad than you'll do at home. As a sex tourist or a regular tourist in a sex tourism hotspot, though, people will only view you as a walking wallet --- if stories from people living in Thailand are to be believed. If getting laid in a third-world country is your goal, dear manosphere members, then please don't kid yourself that the women are easier or whatnot. You're simply paying for a service. In countries of a comparable standard of living, you will probably do worse because a local girl doesn't have much to gain by picking a random foreigner over a local guy. Inter-racial and inter-cultural marriages are still an exception, so please discount any anecdotal evidence. Lastly, in countries in which the standard of living is higher than in your home countries, you will fight a severe uphill battle. Ask Roosh how well he has done in Denmark and Sweden, for instance.

So, where is the pussy paradise, then? Well, if you discount sex tourism, then there is none, but if you are a (potential) sex tourist, then you're simply buying the women, which you could do basically anywhere else as well. Even right where you live.

Manosphere Myths: The Cock Carousel

2013-03-11T16:00:00.000-07:00

If you read manosphere writers like Roosh or Heartiste/Roissy, you really wonder in which world they live in. It looks as if they describe some bizarre fantasy. As you may know, just like the seduction community beforehand, the manosphere believes in the alpha-beta dichotomy. You're either an alpha with a harem of willing women, or you are a loser who doesn't get laid at all. A popular phrase in those circles is that 10 % of men fuck 90 % of the women, which directly relates to the myth of the cock carousel. It boils down to the following claims that are slightly exaggerated for effect:

a) 90 % of women are sluts and fuck all the time.
b) Most men don't get laid at all. There's just 10 % of them who fuck all the women.
c) Once women are past 30, their "sexual market value" immediately drops to zero, and they all panic, hoping to find some "beta chump" who will marry her.

Since Roosh and Heartiste write for the constantly sexually frustrated guy, they have to give him good reasons why not getting laid isn't so bad. They do attract a lot of people who have barely any success with women, and Roosh's own dismal track record appeals to them. If their idol hardly ever gets laid, then their own situation can't be so bad, after all. Of course, it's important that the typical PUA/manosphere follower believes that he is part of a "silent majority."

Of course, if you look around, you realize that the world doesn't just consist of promiscuous women and thirty-somethings who think of nothing else but to get married. Yes, it is true that some women are promiscuous. However, if you are an "alpha" and bang a ton of chicks, it is not the case that you learn that they have all been with dozens of guys before. A lot of girls you'll meet will be fairly inexperienced. This is also reflected if you dig up statistics. With a count of sexual partners in the two-digit range, you're already a statistical outlier. Heck, even virginity beyond one's teenage years is not uncommon. In Western society, sex is all around you. Yet, this is just a fabricated illusion, and in reality, things are quite tame. Here, have a look at findings from a Durex study from 2010, based on a survey of 15 to 20 year-olds in Europe:

The mean value of sexual partners is not all that shocking. It's easy to look at extremes and think that they are representative of society. Yet, teen pregnancies are certainly not common, and neither is it common that a young woman fucks a different guy week after week. They get tired of that too.

Based on the "statistical sample" I took when I was playing the field, I can tell you that many girls are pretty insecure. They may have had a boyfriend or two, or maybe a one-night stand. As an amusing anecdote, I'll mention that once a girl said to me that I seem so experienced and certainly have been with many women. I then asked her how many women she thought I've been with, to which he replied, "Ummm... something like five or seven or so." In her world, this counted as "very many", but keep in mind that she had claimed to have been with three or four guys in her life. For girls who pursue relationships, those are plausible numbers.

The PUA community and the manosphere try to create an image of the polar opposite, though. They believe that women go out and party literally all the time, and are willing to have sex with any man as long as his "game" is good enough. The PUAs claim this because they want to sell their bullshit bootcamps, while the manosphere writers want you to think that all women are sluts. But let's just look at people who party hard for a moment. In my experience, this is only ever a temporary phase. There are plenty of people who never go to clubs, and instead meet their sexual partners through their social circle. (No, not on the street either, dear PUAs.)

You can literally see how often someone goes out. Only very few people manage to adopt to a subculture, and even in mainstream clubs plenty of people --- men and women --- have absolutely no clue how to dress. The reason is simply that they are out of touch with those environments. As consequence, most are just there and bascially invisible. Even if you go to "hipster" clubs, you'll notice that at best 10 % of the people really matter. The rest is just a backdrop. This isn't a value judgment. The guys can still be cool in their own way, and the girls attractive. However, just looking at them reveals that they probably don't go out a lot and if they dress up, they just half-assedly copy something from a recent music video or whatnot.

I do think that TV shows like Sex and the City have fucked up a lot of women, and made them pursue a lifestyle that wasn't in their best interest. Most women, however, are very aware of their biological limitations. If you have female friends, then you know that if they are single, finding a boyfriend is a very high priority, and if they are in a relationship, then they obsess about whether he is the "right" guy.

So, what about the "cock carousel" then? I see little truth in it. Most people lead very conservative lives, and prefer to have sex in committed relationships. If they are single, a long time may pass until they get laid. This, too, applies to men and women alike. Statistical outliers don't change anything. Women are normally very aware of their biological clock, meaning that they sooner or later will want to settle down. Yes, some women are a bit late, and may find themselves going after any half-decent man and hoping he'll take them.

The idea that a woman's "sexual market value" drops to zero once she's hit 30 is equally absurd. Sure, if she's overweight, uneducated, and crude, she'll have a hard time finding a mate, but it would be the same if she were 10 years younger and had the same negative attributes. Of course a woman's fertility goes down, which is why women, if they want to have kids, are under greater time pressure than men. Nonetheless, an attractive 20 year-old is quite likely to still be very attractive ten years later, just as an attractive 30 year-old guy can turn into a still good-looking 40-year old.

But why then do manosphere writers mention the problem with "sexual market value"? My suspicion is that the main purpose is to depict a revenge fantasy. They write for sexually frustrated men, and those should feel assured that even though they don't get laid right now, once all the women they lust after turn 30, those will become undesirable --- and thus they will get their revenge because then those women might pursue the "betas", who can then turn them down. In short, it's a complete fantasy, and if you spend some time thinking about it, it's just sad.

Roosh V’s Weak Ego — A Case Study

2013-02-10T02:37:00.002-08:00

Roosh V certainly likes to lash out. He denounces American women in general, thinks little of the many countries and cities where he didn’t really get anywhere, and is always quick to find an excuse for his lack of success. It seems whenever he doesn’t get laid yet again, it’s apparently because feminism and US-style materialism have finally taken over the entire country on the very day he arrived. This then makes Roosh construct an alternative reality in which Swedish girls are fat, Danes look like dogs, and where London sucks. Apparently he lives on a different planet than I do.

I do think there are just two reactions Roosh evokes in his readers, which also explains why he doesn’t get bashed so much online. Anybody who’s travelled a bit just immediately realizes that Roosh is full of shit and bitter because he doesn’t get laid. Those people then just move on. However, there is also the crowd of men who got burnt by the seduction community and proponents of game. Having learnt that the “cube” doesn’t magically make women spread their legs, and that Ross Jeffries-style hypnosis is a complete fabrication, they eventually realize that they have little to offer in terms of looks, status and money, basically all the things that according to “game” don’t matter. Instead of working hard to improve their position in life, those men then fantasize that there must be some pussy paradise somewhere on earth where Joe Below Average counts for something. Roosh V looks like the savior to them. He, too, didn’t get anywhere with women in the US, so in their mind he must be right! (Again, the problem is always the others, never they themselves.) I’m just sketching the problem in broad strokes, but I may expand on it in more detail in future posts. Yet, when I see Roosh writing that American men "chose homsexuality" so that they don't have to put up with the women, I can only shake my head:

A fellow American I met in my Belo Horizonte had an odd complaint about me: he said I talked “too much” about girls. I scratched my head because the only two safe topics that you can talk about with just about any guy in the world are sports and pussy. What else am I going to talk about? Art? Style? I wondered if he was homo.

You see, Roosh V isn't a particularly sophisticated fellow.

It’s not surprising that there are many sycophants around Roosh, like “G Manifesto”, the “pimp” who claims to wear Paul Smith suits, yet flies RyanAir and throws a childish tantrum when people point out the discrepancy between his persona and reality. I spent a couple of hours some weeks ago reading a couple of that dudes posts and was laughing so loudly that my Argentine Mastiff got scared, which doesn’t happen all that often. Anyway, some people challenged Roosh V on his own turf. One such guy is “IRT”, as Roosh and his followers call him, which is an acronym for “Indian Race Troll.” Roosh and his forum members seems to have quite a hard-on for him, and extensively crawled the Internet to dig up some information on him. Of course it was only natural that there are some inaccuracies. I followed some traces, and found it more than amusing that said guy seems to be living in three US states at the same time, and writes in vastly different styles. Then again, maybe the Roosh V forum meme took on a life on its own. While “IRT” used to refer to one particular person, these days any guy who might be Indian and dares to bring up issues of interracial dating in discussion gets linked to that persona.

The real “IRT”, though, kept marching on. In a trilogy of articles, “IRT” first attacked Roosh, calling him the biggest fraud in the dating/PUA business:

Nothing is ever truly his fault. In fact, according to him, most American women are mentally ill and unsuitable for dating. Simply because he cannot score any dates with them and has to go abroad and resort to sleeping with hookers, Roosh believes that American women are all undesirable, ugly, and unworthy of his attention (god be with whoever is worth it). Rather than embracing the fun in dating, getting with girls, and all that, he encourages all men to cheat on their wives and girlfriends and of course find excuses. You can’t get laid? It isn’t because you lack the skills, it is because all American women are just mean.

What “IRT” does is merely pointing out the obvious. I do think that his language is rather harsh, but so is Roosh’s when he is talking about, well, pretty much anything. In fact, these days Roosh seems to go straight for the lowest common denominator of the lowest of the Internet. Just think of his "race totem pole of attractiveness", or his piece on the "ugliest feminists of America". Sadly, Roosh isn’t just some dude sitting in his basement and dreaming up bullshit, like Roissy/Heartiste. Instead, he actively promotes a certain kind of lifestyle. At its core is one of the most absurd tenet of game, namely that you shouldn’t “put women on a pedestal”, yet everything Roosh and his followers seem to care about is how to get pussy, and be it just one meager “flag” in weeks of trying hard. The cognitive dissonance is beyond belief.

I do think that the “lifestyle angle” is worse. Let’s hear “IRT” on the issue:

A lot of the information on the travel forum goes unchecked and majority of the time the forum members spend on bashing races, nationalities, bitching about the system, and spreading lies. Now to a lot of the informed, we can pick up on this but men who are just getting into game are often discouraged and misled. You are basically reading advice from men who had to resort to escorts and prostitutes their whole life. Majority of the advice is written without any credibility or validity. Another thing I have noticed is that the forum pushes limiting beliefs such as if you are a certain race you just cannot get laid at all which goes against the traditional values of game which my caveman lookalike topic of discussion pushes. Basically, Roosh and his forum buddies are pretty much walking contradictions.

Indeed, just as game gurus of yore preyed on the inexperienced, so does Roosh target people who have no reference experiences about seemingly anything. This also explains why a nutjob like “G Manifesto” doesn’t get laughed of Roosh V’s forum but instead enjoys great popularity. Just like “G Manifesto” is rolling in dough in his fantasy and flying Ryan Air in real life, so does Roosh V fuck hundreds of women in his mind, and in reality goes home empty-handed pretty much all the time. But what happens if you live in a fantasy world and someone like "IRT" points out the obvious?

I ended up reaching a conclusion in which I asked myself how can a man who talks about being an international player fail to get laid in Toronto? The answer to the question led to my conclusion. Roosh has hyped up his life online to be some sort of success story in which a man can blame his surroundings, ethnic appearance, and other things on the area alone, move to a new area and become a well respected playboy. The sad part of Roosh and his psychotic condition is the infection aspect. Roosh has become an infection to young men down on their luck that feel like their environment is the major issue. Such men will passionately defend Roosh without seeing the truth in front of them, there are men in their area having lots of success with women. These young men will become bitter, racist, bigoted, misogynist and blindly defend Roosh because he serves as their excuse and blinds them to the truth that there are many men in America experiencing success. If there are millions of men in America still having success, then the problem isn’t America, the problem is them.

I could have bolded the entire paragraph. Well, what happens when some blogger who is referred to as "IRT" pisses off Roosh is that Roosh then tries to stir up a mob that would harass this poor guy in real life. Roosh seems quite insecure, actually. It’s all just a facade, though. It won’t happen that some Internet jockeys roam suburbs and shopping malls to figure out who “IRT” really is, and it’s further quite unlikely that Roosh has any information beyond that guys IP address, which can of course be linked to his geographic region. Yet, Roosh is into fear-mongering and ominously tells people that if they want help identifying “IRT”, they should message him as he claims that he can give more information. That’s just a page out of the “fear, uncertainty, doubt” playbook. “IRT” is safe. Yet, Roosh is scared. He’s scared by some random blogger on the Internet who would get only a fraction of the attention he’s getting if Roosh wouldn’t obsess about him. So, what’s the problem, dude?

I do find it pathetic that Roosh V attempts to put pressure on one of his critics by inciting his forum members to harass him in real life. I think there is a good parallel to the “seduction community” in its heydays. People started to become very critical once “field reports” emerged in which PUAs were thrown out of clubs or beaten up by guys who didn’t quite like that some clown with a furry hat was pestering their girlfriend, even after she politely told them to get away. Those were prime examples that undermined the validity of “game” and its more prominent teachers. Such incidents just made it too obvious that there was something fundamentally wrong with "game", and I do think that such experiences led to an implosion of the scene. Just look around the Internet. The "game" fad has now pretty much died. You still have a couple of weirdos who want to sell boot camps, but plenty of those scammers moved into the self-help niche, or got back to their day job or whatever they were doing before. I wonder what would happen if one of Roosh’s goons got into trouble with the police for stalking “IRT” in real life. Surely some would realize that their fantasies and reality are quite incompatible, and if that happened, then Roosh's goons would face a rude awakening yet again.

Reader Comment: Game is Nothing but Over-Hyped Bullshit

2013-01-28T06:01:00.000-08:00

The following was posted by an anonymous reader on the "Peek into Project Hollywood" story, which I posted some months ago.

I wish I could've seen the light sooner, but over a year ago, I signed up to take online Pick-up courses with one of Vince Kelvin's Instructors who branched out and made his own unique system. I won't say who it is, but it's funny seeing some of the names in this article as this Instructor would team up with them to answer any questions "AFC's" such as myself had on phone calls. During my time in Pick-up, I'll admit I ran into your site a few times.

I thought "Oh, this is just some dude who's pissed-off that pick-up didn't work for him. He should've developed his "inner game", and cold approaching does work. So many women were receptive and gave me their numbers. He's just trying to make a website like PUAhate.com so he can cry about his experiences in pick-up. When all along he should've done this then that, and he would have success."

I read Johnny's book and one point that truly struck me, that was truly profound was that it's ok to be rejected. I remember back when I was in PUA, I had immediate success getting lots of numbers and scoring a couple of dates. Unfortunately the dates, didn't go so well because I'd turn into a social robot. Then when I decided to work on my "nightgame", I would get blown off sets like crazy for about half a year. Considering such little return on such large investment, it would've been wise on my part to stop. But because I was told that I'd eventually "get it", that I would be extremely successful with women one day. Yeah...all those lays, one-night stands, and casual relationships would never came. Though because I was told that it was okay to be rejected, like an idiot, I would keep going. So much to the point that the instructor felt sorry for me and gave me most of the lessons for free.

As I would view more videos, I would be given assignments like i.e. approach these women with this opener, then play this game, then work on establishing comfort. Then I'd reference back to the blown sets and those times I used those terrible openers, then to add these techniques to my repertoire. I thought to myself, I'm done! If I try to implement these techniques, they will cause me to think in the conversation and look socially-retarded like so many other approaches I performed. I'll probably get the set blown in my face again, I'm tired of this bulls***. After that point, I began to distance myself from "game" and realized it was nothing but over-hyped bulls***. I was sick of "DHV'ing", "establishing comfort", "playing the 5 questions game before I make out with her". None of this crap worked, and even when I did apply it, most chicks would look at me weird, stop the conversation, or laugh straight at my face. I'll admit, one thing pick-up did help me with was becoming a more social, comfortable, and confident person in many situations. But at the cost of my psyche, time, and hobbies.

Now I'm happy that I stumbled upon sites like AttractionInstitute.org and your website. These sites give one a good idea of how to just be a regular guy casually dating women. All in all, when I look back at this experience, I find it funny that the guy I was back then would be criticizing the guy I am right now. Thankfully though, I've read Johnny's book and it truly highlights the disgusting snake-oil marketing campaign the PUA industry is. I'm just happy I found the light, I look forward to more of your posts Aaron.