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				<title>Appreciations</title>
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				<description>Appreciation of researchers and scolars.</description>
				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 15:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Jijith Nadumuri</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>407143</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Koenraad Elst, Research assistent at the Belgian Senate<br /> To: JIJITH NADUMURI RAVI<br /> Date: January 27, 2013</p> <p>Jijith Nadumuri Ravi's website about the Hindu scriptures is a remarkable achievement and henceforth a very useful resource for scholars and for practising Hindus.</p> 
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				<title>Alien Presence During Mahabharata</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 10:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Jijith Nadumuri</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>407143</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>I have written a version of the subject discussed in this article as an article titled <strong>Irreducible Alien Signatures in Mahabharata</strong> based on the ancient-astronaut-theory. This article is now published in the <strong>UFO Matrix magazine</strong> (<a href="http://www.ufomatrix.com">http://www.ufomatrix.com</a>). This is a UK based magazine published bi-monthly. This edition focuses on the ancient astronaut theory. It contains similar articles from different parts of the world focusing on ancient civilizations including ancient Egypt and ancient India. The article is available for online purchase at:- <a href="http://www.healingsofatlantis.com">http://www.healingsofatlantis.com</a>. The chief editor of this magazine is <a href="http://www.outtahear.com/beyond_updates/Mantle/Index.html">Philip Mantle</a>, who is a leading UFOlogist.</p> 
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				<title>Recent Thoughts</title>
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				<description>In this thread i plan to write about recent thoughts; subjects will be random;  it will be like a blog; some of them may later develop into separate articles</description>
				<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 05:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Jijith Nadumuri</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>407143</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>In this thread i plan to write about recent thoughts; subjects will be random; it will be like a blog; some of them may later develop into separate articles</p> 
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				<title>Arjuna</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Rajeev</wikidot:authorName>								<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Interesting article on Arjuna. It gives a fresh perspective. There are a few spelling mistakes though. The images and videos too are great. Are you making a video game on Arjuna? Your articles are very useful and gives interesting perspectives on many topics. Keep the good work!</p> 
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				<title>Naga</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Jayasree</wikidot:authorName>								<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Dear Jijith,</p> <p>A cross reference from Valmiki Ramayana on location of Bhogavathi<br /> It was in the South in the Indian Ocean. Chapter 4-41 gives the overall picture.</p> <p>tatra bhogavatii naama sarpaaNaam aalayaH purii || 4-41-36<br /> vishaala rathyaa dur.hdharSaa sarvataH parirakSitaa |<br /> rakSitaa pannagaiH ghoraiH tiiSkNa damSTraiH mahaa viSaiH || 4-41-37<br /> sarpa raajo mahaaghoro yasyaam vasati vaasukiH |</p> <p>36b, 37, 38a. tatra= there; vishaala rathyaa= with broad, roads; durdharSaa= unvanquishable - city; sarvataH parirakSitaa= everywhere, safeguarded; ghoraiH= deadly; tiiSkNa damSTraiH= with harrowing, fangs; mahaa viSaiH= having fatal, venom; pannagaiH rakSitaa= by [such] serpents, protected; sarpaaNaam aalayaH= for snakes, an abode of; bhogavatii naama purii= Bhogavati, named, city - is there; yasyaam= in which; sarpa raajaH= serpents, king; mahaa ghoraH= highly, hazardous one; vaasukiH vasati = Vasuki, will be dwelling.</p> <p>&quot;There is a city named Bhogavati which is an abode of the snakes. It has broad roads and safeguarded from everywhere, and thus it becomes an unvanquishable city. Deadly serpents with harrowing fangs and fatal venom will be protecting it, in which the highly hazardous king of serpents, namely Vasuki, will be dwelling. [4-41-36b, 37. 38a]</p> 
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				<title>Different “Me”s</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>aricle ok conclusion not so it is a statement not an experience.please analyse a logical premise of our ancients in this regard. god/brahman is logical postulate because<br /> kshityankuraadikam the earth,and the sprots etc on it hace a [kartaa] creator/intelligent agent,<br /> because<br /> they are effects like a pot. pot is a product&#8230; it has an intelligent creator/potter<br /> earth/sprout<span style="text-decoration: line-through;">-</span>-products &#8230;..they have an intelligent creator</p> 
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				<title>Purana And Itihasa</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 13:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>name &#8212; bhupinder gupta (coimbatore) tamilnadu <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">&#8212;india<br /> father name</span> purshotam lal gupta<br /> i am writing from india</p> <p>hope all together will do best .and will request to others to save every live from the under earth and bring back to earth every grand or micro soul good or bad.</p> <p>please save<br /> please save to every one good or bad</p> 
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				<title>Longevity Of Bhishma And Vyasa</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 15:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Hello,</p> <p>I am impressed by your careful and pragmatic evaluation of possible chronology of the various actors in Jaya. I tend to agree with you that a &quot;Vyasa&quot; could be a title of capability and there could be several generations that carried on the story. The need to assume two Bheeshmas troubles me. Accordingly, I modified the table you published with a couple of new assumptions:</p> <p>1. Men completed their educations at 16 and were considered mature at 20<br /> 2. Women were considered mature at 16</p> <p>The table below results from these assumptions and you can see that there may be no need to assume more than one Bheeshma to fit the chronology. According to the modified chart, Bheeshma dies at 118 (which was probably very old even back then) and other people die at quite ordinary ages like 75 or 80. To re-form the table, please copy the block below into Excel and it should reformat correctly.</p> <p>Events San tanu Satya vati Deva vrata Bhishma Vyasa Vyasa2 Vyasa3 Chitr angada Vichitra virya Am balika Pandu Dhrita rashtra Yudhi sthira Abhi manyu<br /> Santanu Weds Ganga 20<br /> Devavrata Born 30 0<br /> Vyasa Born 46 16 16 0<br /> Santanu Marry Satyavati 50 20 20 4<br /> Chitrangada Born 51 21 21 1 5 0<br /> Vichitravirya Born 59 29 29 9 13 8 0<br /> Santanu makes Devavrata regent 67 37 37 17 21 8 16 8<br /> Chitrangada King 40 40 20 24 11 19 11<br /> Chitrangada Dead, Vichitravirya King 43 43 23 27 14 22 14<br /> Vichitravira marries 45 45 25 29 16 16 16<br /> Vichitravirya dies 52 52 32 36 23 23 23<br /> Dhritarashtra, Pandu, Vidura born 53 53 33 37 24 24 0 0<br /> Pandu King 69 69 49 53 40 40 16 16<br /> Pandu Marries 71 71 51 55 42 42 18 18<br /> Yudhishthira born 75 75 55 59 46 46 22 22 0<br /> Pandu dies 79 79 59 63 50 50 26 26 4<br /> Satavati retires to forest 80 80 60 64 51 51 27 5<br /> Abhimanyu born to Arjuna 100 80 84 71 47 25 0<br /> Kurukshetra War, Bhishma dies 118 98 102 89 21 65 43 18</p> 
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				<title>Vyasa</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 20:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I'm trying to reconcile a few discrepancies in the genealogy of the Bharatas that exist within Adi Parva, sections 94 and 95 of MBH.</p> <p>Source:<br /> src-mbh-01:section-94<br /> src-mbh-01:section-95</p> <p>NOTE:<br /> From the statements made in Discrepancy 1, I am inclined to think that there are actually 2 ancestral Janamejaya. One is a Kuru and the other is a Puru. I am also inclined to think that the Kuru Janamejaya is spoken of in Discrepancy 2. It seems advisable to read that the ancestral Kuru Janamejaya is the FOREFATHER in the lineage that leads down to King Santanu, while Vasya is the direct biological father of Dhritarashtra, Pandu and Valhika.</p> <p>I believe there was an error in translation: In 94, Riksha is the son of Ajamidha and Samvarana is the son of Riksha. In 95, Samvarana is the son of Ajamidha and Riksha is said to be the fourth wife.</p> <p>Another point of possible confusion relates to Daksha. Santhi Parva, section 207 states that sometimes Daksha is called Kasyapa and Kasyapa, son of Marichi, is sometimes called Arishtanemi.</p> <p><strong>95:</strong> Daksha begat Aditi, and Aditi begat Vivaswat, and Vivaswat begat Manu, and Manu begat Ha and Ha begat Pururavas.</p> <p><strong>207:</strong> The ten Prachetasas had one son between them, viz, the Prajapati called by the name of Daksha. This last has two names in the world, viz, Daksha and Kasyapa. Marichi had one son called Kasyapa. This last also has two names. Some call him Arishtanemi, and some Kasyapa.<br /> Source: src-mbh-12:section-207</p> <p><strong>Discrepancy 1:</strong><br /> <strong>94:</strong> And it has been heard by us that <strong>Kuru</strong>'s highly intelligent wife, <strong>Vahini</strong>, brought forth five sons, viz, Avikshit, Bhavishyanta, Chaitraratha, Muni and the celebrated <strong>Janamejaya</strong>.</p> <p><strong>95:</strong> And <strong>Puru</strong> had a wife of the name of <strong>Kausalya</strong>, on whom he begat a son named <strong>Janamejaya</strong> who performed three horse-sacrifices and a sacrifice called Viswajit.</p> <p><strong>Discrepancy 2:</strong><br /> <strong>94:</strong> And the sons of <strong>Janamejaya</strong> were all endued with great strength and became celebrated all over the world. And they were <strong>Dhritarashtra</strong> who was the eldest, and <strong>Pandu</strong> and <strong>Valhika</strong>, and Nishadha endued with great energy, and then the mighty Jamvunada, and then Kundodara and Padati and then Vasati the eighth.</p> <p>And they were all proficient in morality and profit and were kind to all creatures. Among them Dhritarashtra became king. And Dhritarashtra had eight sons, viz, Kundika, Hasti, Vitarka, Kratha the fifth, Havihsravas, Indrabha, and Bhumanyu the invincible, and Dhritarashtra had many grandsons, of whom three only were famous. They were, O king, Pratipa, Dharmanetra, Sunetra.</p> <p>Among these three, Pratipa became unrivalled on earth. And, O bull in Bharata's race, <strong>Pratipa</strong> begat three sons, viz, Devapi, Santanu, and the mighty car-warrior <strong>Valhika</strong>. The eldest Devapi adopted the ascetic course of life, impelled thereto by the desire of benefiting his brothers. And the kingdom was obtained by Santanu and the mighty car-warrior Valhika.</p> <p><strong>95:</strong> And upon her Santanu begat two other sons named Chitrangada and Vichitravirya. And before they attained to majority, Chitrangada had been slain by the Gandharvas. But Vichitravirya became king, and married the two daughters of the king of Kasi, named Amvika and Amvalika. But Vichitravirya died childless. Then Satyavati began to think as to how the dynasty of Dushmanta might be perpetuated. Then she recollected the Rishi Dwaipayana. The latter coming before her, asked, What are thy commands' She said, Thy brother Vichitravirya hath gone to heaven childless. Beget virtuous children for him' <strong>Dwaipayana, consenting to this, begat three children, viz, Dhritarashtra, Pandu, and Vidura.</strong></p> <p><strong>Discrepancy 3:</strong><br /> <strong>94:</strong> The eldest of them, <strong>Ajamidha</strong>, was the perpetuator of the royal line. And he begat six sons, <strong>Riksha was born of the womb of Dhumini</strong>, Dushmanta and Parameshthin, of Nili, and Jahnu, Jala and Rupina were born in that of Kesini.</p> <p><strong>95:</strong> And <strong>Ajamidha</strong> had <strong>four wives</strong> named Raikeyi, Gandhari, Visala and <strong>Riksha</strong>. And he begat on them two thousand and four hundred sons. But amongst them all, <strong>Samvarana</strong> became the perpetuator of the dynasty.</p> 
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				<title>My Belief</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 08:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Jinesh</wikidot:authorName>								<content:encoded>
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						 <p><em>(This was written when I was a 3rd year B-Arch student to redefine or refine myself…These are the thoughts flown out of me as I asked myself : “define me”) But the dramatic thing about this is the examples I chose to demonstrate “me”…All these may be a combination of what I read, I think or what I heard from you and others!&#8230;then I started focusing on the examples I put ….)</em></p> <p><a href="http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/guest:different-me-s">Different Me's</a></p> 
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				<title>Mahabharata French Translation and Studies</title>
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				<description>Thread for French speakers, translation issues, studies</description>
				<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 11:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Sreeja Jijith</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>407084</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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				<title>New Articles</title>
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				<description>The new articles that are being created in the site</description>
				<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 09:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Jijith Nadumuri</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>407143</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Some of the new articles:- <a href="http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/bhishma">Bhishma</a>, <a href="http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/kripa">Kripa</a>, <a href="http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/santanu">Santanu</a>, <a href="http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/emperor-bharata">Emperor Bharata</a>, <a href="http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/uparichara-vasu">Uparichara Vasu</a></p> 
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				<title>Origins Of Aila Kings</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 11:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Dear Jijith Nadumuri Ravi,<br /> My name is Agustin Aila and I´m from Argentina.<br /> I write this email because when I was searching in google about my surname I found this page: <a href="http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/origins-of-aila-kings">http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/origins-of-aila-kings</a><br /> Investigating I realised that in India was a lineage of kings named &quot;Aila&quot;.I don´t know if my surname comes from India (my grandfather was italian and he always said that his grandfather was from a place in the otoman empire, but he didn´t know where) and I would like to learn more about that.<br /> Is Aila a common surname there? Do you know where I can read more about that?<br /> I will apreciate your help, I always wanted to know from where was my surname!<br /> Best regards,<br /> Agustin Aila</p> 
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				<title>The Age of the Gandharvas</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 11:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>The point about Gandhara Dwaraka confict is a very good observation. Connection of Gandhari's curse with Dwaraka's destruction seems to be a Gandhara Gandharva conspiracy as you said. But I have doubt on your point about the intent of Krishna in promoting trader community over the warrior community. There is nothing of that sorts mentioned in Mahabharata</p> 
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				<title>The Myth Of Aryan Dravidian Divide</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 11:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>We can't discard the chances of Invasion or Migration of Aryans (Ignore the name - We can give a different name) from Central Asia.. due to DNA Haplogroups.. Facts, Histories, theories are not only based on literature.. but also on archaeology, Biology, written data..etc.. History is not based on astrology, traditional beliefs, etc..</p> 
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				<title>Human Migration And India</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 11:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Namaste Ji,<br /> Great work and please continue.<br /> Mewa.</p> 
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				<title>De-mystifying Myths</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 11:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Hi</p> <p>you have skillfully illustrated the different approaches in analyzing the myths and explaining them. I am certainly not in favor of the blind acceptance or blind rejection. I am more inclined to an alien explanation though. Why can't the Devas, Gandharvas, Garuda be aliens? I think aliens interacted with ancient civilizations in India, Egypt, Atlantis etc.</p> <p>Check out these link:-<br /> <a href="http://www.world-famous.com/DavidHamelStuff/Hamel-Part4-Shop/index.htm">http://www.world-famous.com/DavidHamelStuff/Hamel-Part4-Shop/index.htm</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.skepdic.com/atlantis.html">http://www.skepdic.com/atlantis.html</a></p> 
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				<title>Historical Krishna</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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				<title>Connecting Kingdom Pages with Epic India Google Map</title>
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				<description>Only Kuru and Panchala kingdoms are now linked with Epic India Map; others needed to be connected soon</description>
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				<wikidot:authorName>Sreeja Jijith</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>407084</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Only Kuru and Panchala kingdoms are now linked with Epic India Map; others needed to be connected soon. Otherwise there is not much value addition to these pages. It is also a good idea to connect them with Epic India JPEG map and to the noun pages of Kingdoms. For example the Page <a href="http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/kuru">Kuru</a> needs to be linked with the noun page <a href="http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/mbh:kuru">Kuru</a>.</p> 
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				<title>Forum Discussions Started for AncientVoice</title>
				<link>http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/forum/t-236196/forum-discussions-started-for-ancientvoice</link>
				<description>It was a long time wish for the users of this site to start a forum. The forum is now started.</description>
				<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Jijith Nadumuri</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>407143</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>The forum pages for AncientVoice site are created. You can now create new posts for discussions</p> 
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