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		<title>Comment on Rebbe by micha</title>
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		<dc:creator>micha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RMR: It&amp;#039;s good you pointed it out, but I am going to leave R&amp;#039; Katz&amp;#039;s words unedited. After all he writes that Tehillah leDavid was published posthumously, not that Rebbe didn&amp;#039;t actually see a copy. But the implication left -- that there is a a lesser reliability because it&amp;#039;s not from Rebbe&amp;#039;s hand -- needed your correction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RMR: It&#8217;s good you pointed it out, but I am going to leave R&#8217; Katz&#8217;s words unedited. After all he writes that Tehillah leDavid was published posthumously, not that Rebbe didn&#8217;t actually see a copy. But the implication left &#8212; that there is a a lesser reliability because it&#8217;s not from Rebbe&#8217;s hand &#8212; needed your correction.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rebbe by Michoel R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michoel R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Rebbe zl saw the galleys of the Tehilla LeDovid and asked the Rebbetzen AH to bring Mashkeh to drink Lechaim on its completion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Rebbe zl saw the galleys of the Tehilla LeDovid and asked the Rebbetzen AH to bring Mashkeh to drink Lechaim on its completion!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Watering our Weeds by micha</title>
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		<dc:creator>micha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found a related gemara -- Ta&amp;#039;anis 7a:

&amp;quot;R&amp;#039; Bana&amp;#039;ah would say: Anyone who toils in Torah lishmah, his Torah becomes an elixir of life (&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;sam chaim&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;) for him. As it says &amp;#039;&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Eitz chayim hi...&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; -- It is a tree of life for those who grasp it.&amp;#039; (Mishlei 3:18) And it says &amp;#039;It will be cures for your leaders.&amp;#039; (v. 8) And it says, &amp;#039;Those who found me found life.&amp;#039; (ibid. 8:35). Whereas anyone who toils in Torah but it is not lishmah, it becomes a poison (&amp;lt;i&amp;gt;sam maves&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;) for him....&amp;quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found a related gemara &#8212; Ta&#8217;anis 7a:</p>
<p>&#8220;R&#8217; Bana&#8217;ah would say: Anyone who toils in Torah lishmah, his Torah becomes an elixir of life (<i>sam chaim</i>) for him. As it says &#8216;<i>Eitz chayim hi&#8230;</i> &#8212; It is a tree of life for those who grasp it.&#8217; (Mishlei 3:18) And it says &#8216;It will be cures for your leaders.&#8217; (v. 8) And it says, &#8216;Those who found me found life.&#8217; (ibid. 8:35). Whereas anyone who toils in Torah but it is not lishmah, it becomes a poison (<i>sam maves</i>) for him&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mourning During the Omer, part II by MP</title>
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		<dc:creator>MP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minhagei Y&amp;#039;shurun (minhagim of KAJ/&amp;quot;Breuer&amp;#039;s&amp;quot;) says, &amp;quot;The dinim of S&amp;#039;firah, which prohibit weddings and haircuts[,] apply from the day after R&amp;#039;Ch&amp;#039;Iyyar until the day before R&amp;#039;Ch&amp;#039;Sivan, with the exception of LaG BaOmer.&amp;quot;  Minhagei Frankfurt (R&amp;#039;Tz&amp;#039;Y&amp;#039;Leitner) quotes Seifer Yoseif Ometz as writing that &amp;quot;issur giluach ulvishas malbushim chadashim ein nohagin raq meiR&amp;#039;Ch&amp;#039;Iyyar v&amp;#039;eilech.&amp;quot;  Neither matches option F (which includes 24-29 Nisan).  Please verify what RMF actually said in re to Minhag Frankfurt and correct this page as necessary.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minhagei Y&#8217;shurun (minhagim of KAJ/&#8221;Breuer&#8217;s&#8221;) says, &#8220;The dinim of S&#8217;firah, which prohibit weddings and haircuts[,] apply from the day after R&#8217;Ch&#8217;Iyyar until the day before R&#8217;Ch&#8217;Sivan, with the exception of LaG BaOmer.&#8221;  Minhagei Frankfurt (R&#8217;Tz&#8217;Y'Leitner) quotes Seifer Yoseif Ometz as writing that &#8220;issur giluach ulvishas malbushim chadashim ein nohagin raq meiR&#8217;Ch&#8217;Iyyar v&#8217;eilech.&#8221;  Neither matches option F (which includes 24-29 Nisan).  Please verify what RMF actually said in re to Minhag Frankfurt and correct this page as necessary.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Kuzari Proof, part I by micha</title>
		<link>http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2004/12/kuzari-proof-part-i.shtml/comment-page-1#comment-58284</link>
		<dc:creator>micha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is still reliabilism -- trusting information from trusted sources. Like the way most people believe in most of the things they know. E.g. very few people actually saw something evolve. We believe in evolution because we developed a trust in textbooks, certain magazines and news sources, etc...

And reliabilism WOULD state that if sources you trust say there is something there and yet you have tried Shabbos, or learning Torah, or.... and havent&amp;#039; found it, that you would assume the flaw was in your attempt. IOW, that you should continue looking for it until you find a Judaism that works.

But I was speaking of philosophical proof vs evidence, not of reason. People don&amp;#039;t really need things to have an airtight proof in order to hold of them. That&amp;#039;s an abstraction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is still reliabilism &#8212; trusting information from trusted sources. Like the way most people believe in most of the things they know. E.g. very few people actually saw something evolve. We believe in evolution because we developed a trust in textbooks, certain magazines and news sources, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>And reliabilism WOULD state that if sources you trust say there is something there and yet you have tried Shabbos, or learning Torah, or&#8230;. and havent&#8217; found it, that you would assume the flaw was in your attempt. IOW, that you should continue looking for it until you find a Judaism that works.</p>
<p>But I was speaking of philosophical proof vs evidence, not of reason. People don&#8217;t really need things to have an airtight proof in order to hold of them. That&#8217;s an abstraction.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Kuzari Proof, part II by micha</title>
		<link>http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2004/12/kuzari-proof-part-ii.shtml/comment-page-1#comment-58283</link>
		<dc:creator>micha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Einstein thought that the gedanken experiment had merit. And for that matter, you only know the Euclidean postulates by mental experience. You never encountered two infinite lines of the same slope. Nor even a flat Euclidean space. And yet the intuition that such lines would never meet is deemed reliable, no?

Your example is flawed in that it invokes an emotion, not a mental assessment of truth. My argument is &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;not&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; that one should believe because they enjoy Shabbos. But that the reality of a G-d-given Shabbos is as self-evident to someone who does Shabbos right as the reality that two parallel Euclidean lines won&amp;#039;t cross is to someone who contemplates such lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Einstein thought that the gedanken experiment had merit. And for that matter, you only know the Euclidean postulates by mental experience. You never encountered two infinite lines of the same slope. Nor even a flat Euclidean space. And yet the intuition that such lines would never meet is deemed reliable, no?</p>
<p>Your example is flawed in that it invokes an emotion, not a mental assessment of truth. My argument is <i>not</i> that one should believe because they enjoy Shabbos. But that the reality of a G-d-given Shabbos is as self-evident to someone who does Shabbos right as the reality that two parallel Euclidean lines won&#8217;t cross is to someone who contemplates such lines.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Narcissistic Spirituality by Leonard Goff</title>
		<link>http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2012/09/narcissistic-spirituality.shtml/comment-page-1#comment-58282</link>
		<dc:creator>Leonard Goff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shalom,
I&amp;#039;ve been reading your posts as a contrast to Rabbi Alan Yuter&amp;#039;s in order to answer the &amp;quot;he is a Korach&amp;quot;(e.g.&amp;quot;all Israel is holy&amp;quot;) charge put on him by some.
How do you see him?
Anyway, I just felt I needed to chime in about &amp;quot;Love your fellow as yourself&amp;quot;.
I recently read in R. Moshe Shamah&amp;#039;s new Chumash commentary about how love meant loyalty back then(c.f. love/loyalty at index there). 
This immediately relieved me of a great burden.
The lowering of the emotional tone(i.e. love/luv/LOVE! as an emotion) allowed me to see through the crimson haze/heat I was stewing in.  
This &amp;#039;quiet&amp;#039;(moving this word out of the emotional realm) allowed me to fit easily/quickly all three named principals of the verse into a working team.
For instance, I quickly saw that the verse is telling me(in so many words-khamokha) that I cannot be loyal to others unless I am loyal to myself.
The importance of loyalty in relation to myself struck so deep a chord in me because I am(WAS!) suicidal.  This &amp;#039;new&amp;#039; definition enabled me to find and detach the loyal &amp;#039;parent&amp;#039;(image of God?)  part of myself that can come in to sooth the suicidal(i.e. disloyal to life) part of myself.
I now fully expect that my ability to love others will improve.
It&amp;#039;s an unbreakable trinity that keeps reinforcing itself: I can be loyal to Hashem because the verse enables me to give(ahav-from yhv-bring) loyalty to &amp;#039;myself&amp;#039;, which is so important to the suicidal who find it hard to be loyal to anything, because they find it hard to be loyal to living.  
Anyway, I recall that you approved of mussar leatsmo when it is about giving.
This verse for me is a &amp;#039;klal gadol&amp;#039; [for me] because it trinitizes(allows all three principals to go to work on building me up into a loyalty machine).
Of course, this verse is so great because of other verses such as &amp;quot;...Hashem is our God- Hashem alone.&amp;quot;- a statement of loyalty indeed(R. Shamah likes to translate it this way- so much depends on a translation!  Life and death!
Thanks
Lenny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shalom,<br />
I&#8217;ve been reading your posts as a contrast to Rabbi Alan Yuter&#8217;s in order to answer the &#8220;he is a Korach&#8221;(e.g.&#8221;all Israel is holy&#8221;) charge put on him by some.<br />
How do you see him?<br />
Anyway, I just felt I needed to chime in about &#8220;Love your fellow as yourself&#8221;.<br />
I recently read in R. Moshe Shamah&#8217;s new Chumash commentary about how love meant loyalty back then(c.f. love/loyalty at index there).<br />
This immediately relieved me of a great burden.<br />
The lowering of the emotional tone(i.e. love/luv/LOVE! as an emotion) allowed me to see through the crimson haze/heat I was stewing in.<br />
This &#8216;quiet&#8217;(moving this word out of the emotional realm) allowed me to fit easily/quickly all three named principals of the verse into a working team.<br />
For instance, I quickly saw that the verse is telling me(in so many words-khamokha) that I cannot be loyal to others unless I am loyal to myself.<br />
The importance of loyalty in relation to myself struck so deep a chord in me because I am(WAS!) suicidal.  This &#8216;new&#8217; definition enabled me to find and detach the loyal &#8216;parent&#8217;(image of God?)  part of myself that can come in to sooth the suicidal(i.e. disloyal to life) part of myself.<br />
I now fully expect that my ability to love others will improve.<br />
It&#8217;s an unbreakable trinity that keeps reinforcing itself: I can be loyal to Hashem because the verse enables me to give(ahav-from yhv-bring) loyalty to &#8216;myself&#8217;, which is so important to the suicidal who find it hard to be loyal to anything, because they find it hard to be loyal to living.<br />
Anyway, I recall that you approved of mussar leatsmo when it is about giving.<br />
This verse for me is a &#8216;klal gadol&#8217; [for me] because it trinitizes(allows all three principals to go to work on building me up into a loyalty machine).<br />
Of course, this verse is so great because of other verses such as &#8220;&#8230;Hashem is our God- Hashem alone.&#8221;- a statement of loyalty indeed(R. Shamah likes to translate it this way- so much depends on a translation!  Life and death!<br />
Thanks<br />
Lenny</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Kuzari Proof, part II by jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&amp;quot;Just as we rely on information from our senses and generalizations from them to produce postulates about which we reason, we can also rely on mental experience.&amp;quot; 

We develop a fear of falling because we perceive with our senses that falling leads to pain. We then &amp;#039;produce postulates&amp;#039; based on these facts to apply to our lives. Should we find truth in mental experiences too? Absolutely. For example, &amp;#039;when X happens I feel sad - therefore, I will deal with X to prevent sadness.&amp;#039; We can deduce that X makes us feel sad and this can be demonstrated scientifically. 

However, someone who grows up in a culture in which they are indoctrinated from birth that when X happens, you feel sad because supernatural Y is punishing you - they might believe that. However, there is no scientific indication or truth that Y actually exists. All that can be drawn from event X is that the individual feels sad. 

There is nothing wrong with making postulates based on real experiences that can be proven and that are logical. But to assume that the feelings felt due to indoctrination from a young age that are not provable scientifically and have no indication that they exist is foolish. This especially true when biology can explain why one would think these experiences are real when in fact they aren&amp;#039;t. 

&amp;quot;Simply, we trust ourselves, particularly after repeated experience. &amp;quot;

This is foolish. Look at the religious experiences we have and you&amp;#039;ll see that they are very likely imaginary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just as we rely on information from our senses and generalizations from them to produce postulates about which we reason, we can also rely on mental experience.&#8221; </p>
<p>We develop a fear of falling because we perceive with our senses that falling leads to pain. We then &#8216;produce postulates&#8217; based on these facts to apply to our lives. Should we find truth in mental experiences too? Absolutely. For example, &#8216;when X happens I feel sad &#8211; therefore, I will deal with X to prevent sadness.&#8217; We can deduce that X makes us feel sad and this can be demonstrated scientifically. </p>
<p>However, someone who grows up in a culture in which they are indoctrinated from birth that when X happens, you feel sad because supernatural Y is punishing you &#8211; they might believe that. However, there is no scientific indication or truth that Y actually exists. All that can be drawn from event X is that the individual feels sad. </p>
<p>There is nothing wrong with making postulates based on real experiences that can be proven and that are logical. But to assume that the feelings felt due to indoctrination from a young age that are not provable scientifically and have no indication that they exist is foolish. This especially true when biology can explain why one would think these experiences are real when in fact they aren&#8217;t. </p>
<p>&#8220;Simply, we trust ourselves, particularly after repeated experience. &#8221;</p>
<p>This is foolish. Look at the religious experiences we have and you&#8217;ll see that they are very likely imaginary.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Kuzari Proof, part I by jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I am understanding you correctly, philosophical attempts to prove G-d&amp;#039;s existence fall short. Rather, a jewish person should remain/become religious because first-hand experiencing of the power of halachah and shabbos, lead one to believe in the authenticity of the Torah and its own claims about its origin. In addition Torah study has an elegance etc... (Please correct me if I have misunderstood)

Now what would you say to a religious individual, such as myself, who experiences shabbos and halacha and Torah and still does not feel the authenticity of Judaism. Even when things feel real doesn&amp;#039;t mean they are. In fact, most Muslims (at least in my experince) will tell you the proof that Islam is the true religion is the Quoran. They say &amp;quot;The beauty of the Quoran makes it impossible to have been man-made. The Quoran is clearly the truth...&amp;quot;

What makes you think that these emtional and spiritual highs you get when keeping shabbos and studying Torah are any different than the ones that Muslims experience when they study and practice? In truth, there is a strong biological basis for religion and the need for spirituality. Maybe these experiences you are so sure you have are all in your mind?

Based on your article there is no reason for a jew to be shomer torah and mitzvos if it doesn&amp;#039;t fel real to him or her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I am understanding you correctly, philosophical attempts to prove G-d&#8217;s existence fall short. Rather, a jewish person should remain/become religious because first-hand experiencing of the power of halachah and shabbos, lead one to believe in the authenticity of the Torah and its own claims about its origin. In addition Torah study has an elegance etc&#8230; (Please correct me if I have misunderstood)</p>
<p>Now what would you say to a religious individual, such as myself, who experiences shabbos and halacha and Torah and still does not feel the authenticity of Judaism. Even when things feel real doesn&#8217;t mean they are. In fact, most Muslims (at least in my experince) will tell you the proof that Islam is the true religion is the Quoran. They say &#8220;The beauty of the Quoran makes it impossible to have been man-made. The Quoran is clearly the truth&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>What makes you think that these emtional and spiritual highs you get when keeping shabbos and studying Torah are any different than the ones that Muslims experience when they study and practice? In truth, there is a strong biological basis for religion and the need for spirituality. Maybe these experiences you are so sure you have are all in your mind?</p>
<p>Based on your article there is no reason for a jew to be shomer torah and mitzvos if it doesn&#8217;t fel real to him or her.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Mesorah by micha</title>
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		<dc:creator>micha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an example of why I wrote that I was following the Rambam for the first 40 generations. I couldn&amp;#039;t make it all work out, so I appealed to authority.

In this case, Chazal say that the Pinechas of the desert generation is the same Pinechas who failed to prevent the battle of the Pilegesh beGiv&amp;#039;ah, meaning that he could well have lived from Yehoshua all the way to Shemuel. (This long life is part of the Zohar&amp;#039;s discussion that he is Eliyahu.) But that kind of fantastical medrash is just the type of story the Rambam says only fools and heretics (out to make the Torah look silly) take as a historical claim. Which is why, as I opened, I have no idea how to explain it myself, and instead am blindly following the Rambam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an example of why I wrote that I was following the Rambam for the first 40 generations. I couldn&#8217;t make it all work out, so I appealed to authority.</p>
<p>In this case, Chazal say that the Pinechas of the desert generation is the same Pinechas who failed to prevent the battle of the Pilegesh beGiv&#8217;ah, meaning that he could well have lived from Yehoshua all the way to Shemuel. (This long life is part of the Zohar&#8217;s discussion that he is Eliyahu.) But that kind of fantastical medrash is just the type of story the Rambam says only fools and heretics (out to make the Torah look silly) take as a historical claim. Which is why, as I opened, I have no idea how to explain it myself, and instead am blindly following the Rambam.</p>
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