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      <author>micha at aishdas.org (micha at aishdas.org)</author>
      <title>[Avodah] Admin: BDE, no moderation this week</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2026 05:06:09 -0700</pubDate>
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      <description>My son Shuby (Yehoshua Asher), a 27 year old man with Down Syndrome, could not be woken Sunday morning.

I can&amp;#x27;t learn, so reading Avodah emails to moderate the list is on hold until the end of shiv&amp;#x27;ah.

Please continue writing in; but the queue will baclog until I return to duties Motza&amp;#x27;ei Shabbos and Sunday. So kindly be patient.

(It also puts a pause in my moving the lists to Discourse.)


Shetir&amp;#x27;u baTov!
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      <author>akivagmiller at gmail.com (Akiva Miller)</author>
      <title>[Avodah] Shehecheyanu on Mitzvos</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2026 16:56:37 -0700</pubDate>
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      <description>.
Rabbi Yisroel Pinchos Bodner, in his &amp;quot;Halachos of Brochos vol. 2&amp;quot;, on page
37-38, he explains that &amp;quot;Since pidyon haben is a mitzvah that is performed
only once in a great while and it is an occasion of great joy, Chazal
required the father to recite a shehecheyonu prior to performing the
mitzvah.&amp;quot; (Immediately after, he writes about saying shehecheyanu at a bris
milah. I get the impression that in theory, the same halacha would apply,
but in practice there are some contra-indications involved.)

What about *other* mitzvos? On page 39 he gives examples like a bar mitzvah
boy putting on tefillin for the first time, a kallah lighting Shabbos
candles the first time, and (in footnote 85) someone who performs Kisui
Hadam for the first time. For these mitzvos, it seems that the poskim are
divided, and he offers practical ideas how to deal with that machlokes.

My question is: What makes Pidyon Haben different? Why can one definitely
say shehecheyanu on Pidyon Haben, but all these other mitzvos are
problematic? Rabbi Bodner gives extensive footnotes showing which poskim
hold this way or that way, but I did not see any *explanation* of this
distinction.

In footnote 75, he cites Gemara Pesachim 121b about saying shehecheyanu at
a pidyon haben. I suppose it is possible that this is the only mitzva for
which the Gemara explicitly says to say shehecheyanu, and that&amp;#x27;s why all
others are questionable. But that answer would make sense only if there
were a similarly explicit gemara about shehecheyanu at a bris milah, and I
did not notice that mentioned.

Any ideas?
advTHANKSance

Akiva Miller</description>
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      <author>joelirarich at gmail.com (Joel Rich)</author>
      <title>[Avodah] schar psiot</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2026 20:11:31 -0700</pubDate>
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      <description>I was recently listening to a shiur on schar psiot which was discussing
what level of tiebreaker is it? Should you walk to a farther shul even
though the closer one has other benefits such as more intense prayer or
quieter congregants?
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I find it interesting that there was no discussion of what you would do
with the time saved by going to a closer one. How much weight should you
give to buying a home closer or farther from a shul. The opportunity cost
of the saved time, which seems to me to be very important, wasn?t
mentioned. Thoughts?

KT
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      <author>joelirarich at gmail.com (Joel Rich)</author>
      <title>[Avodah] obligated to return</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2026 20:24:33 -0700</pubDate>
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      <description>Shulchan Arukh, Choshen Mishpat 259
???? ??? ???? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ????? ?? ???? ???? ????
?????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ???? (??? ???
??? ???? ????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ????? ????):
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?Even though by the letter of the law, in a place where the majority [of
those present] are non-Jews, even if a Jew gave an identifying sign [siman]
in it, one is not obligated to return [the lost object] ? it is good and
upright to act beyond the letter of the law [lifnim mishurat hadin] and
return it to the Jew who gave an identifying sign in it.
(And if he [the finder] is poor and the owner of the lost object is
wealthy, he is not required to act beyond the letter of the law.)?
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Not required- but what would his rav advise the ani to do?

KT
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      <author>ykaganoff at gmail.com (Yonatan Kaganoff)</author>
      <title>[Avodah] Do Souls have agency?</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2026 10:51:51 -0700</pubDate>
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      <description>Assuming the existence of  souls &amp;amp; an afterlife (for souls) from a
traditional Jewish perspective do souls in the afterlife have agency (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agency_(philosophy))?


(For purposes of this question, I&amp;#x27;m bracketing out Free Will questions.)

Most texts about the afterlife describe a series of stages/places/steps
that a soul goes through without much choice on the soul?s part.  That
indicates a lack of agency.

However, there is much Midrashic literature about great men &amp;amp; women (such
as the Avos or Moshe Rabbeinu) having some degree of agency after their
deaths.

But Midrashic literature often anthropomorphically and mythopoetically
ascribes agency to many things such as abstract ideas &amp;amp; inanimate objects,
not meant to be taken literally. So one could argue that when Midrashim
describe the Avos interceding on behalf of their descendants, they are
speaking mythopoetically.

And there are stories in the Gemara like that of Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi in
Kesuvos 103a making Kiddush for his family after his death. But this might
be limited to great men or it might be an Aggadata not meant to be taken
literally.

Within Chassidic literature (and Early Modern Kabbalah) there are
indications that dead Tzaddikim are agentic insofar as they can choose to
help their Chassidim after their death, but this might be limited to
Tzaddikim and one would have to accept the theology of Chassidus.

Many understandings of praying at the graves of one?s ancestors or
Tzaddikim imply that the dead are somehow interceding one?s behalf. In
which case the dead are indeed agentic. (Of course this might violate
Rambam?s fifth *Ikkar Emunah*, but that?s a separate issue.)

What other sources address this question?</description>
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      <author>micha at aishdas.org (Micha Berger)</author>
      <title>[Avodah] shul building?</title>
      <pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2026 15:34:48 -0700</pubDate>
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      <description>On Wed, Jun 17, 2026 at 06:33:53AM +0300, Joel Rich via Avodah wrote:
&amp;gt; I recently heard a rabbi quote another rabbi as understanding the following
&amp;gt; as supporting spending large sums of money on shul buildings in chutz
&amp;gt; laaretz:
Megillah 29a:
&amp;gt;     It is taught in a baraita: Rabbi Elazar HaKappar says: In the future,
&amp;gt;     the synagogues and the study halls in Babylonia will be transported
&amp;gt;     and reestablished in Eretz Yisrael.
&amp;gt; 
&amp;gt; I wonder how one would reconcile this approach with this gemara:
&amp;gt; Jerusalem Talmud, Peah 8:
&amp;gt;     Clarification. Rebbi ama bar anina and Rebbi Hoshaiah were strolling
&amp;gt;     through the synagogue of Lod. Rebbi ama bar anina said to Rebbi
&amp;gt;     Hoshaiah: How much money did my forefathers invest here! He answered
&amp;gt;     him: How many souls did your forefathers invest here, there is no
&amp;gt;     one in here who studies Torah!

What does the Y-mi have to do with it? He is talking about investing in
a place where the shul won&amp;#x27;t be used as much, regardless of location.

There could be something else going on in the gemara&amp;#x27;s story:

The Hadrianic Persecutions after the Bar Kokhva Revolt drove the
community out of Judea north to the Galil. (The &amp;quot;Talmud Yerushalmi&amp;quot;
was really written in the Galil.)

Among the people who lived during this migration was R Chanina bar Chama,
the father of R Chama bar Chanina. Meaning, he donated all that money
toward the Jewish community in Lod shortly before most of its residents
ended up leaving.

So, rather than disparaging the Jews of Lod as not being worth a nice
shul, the last line of your quote may be a lament, &amp;quot;There are no people
here [any more] for anyone to learn Torah.&amp;quot;

Tir&amp;#x27;u baTov! -Micha

-- Micha Berger Mussar is like oil put in water,
http://www.aishdas.org/asp eventually it will rise to the top.
Author: Widen Your Tent - Rav Yisrael Salanter -
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      <author>joelirarich at mail.gmail.com (Joel Rich)</author>
      <title>[Avodah] Vehatov beEinecha Asei</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2026 20:26:39 -0700</pubDate>
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      <description>Talmud Baveli Berakhos 29b:
    Which is an abbreviated prayer? Rabbi Eliezer says, &amp;quot;Carry out Your will in
    the heavens above, and give peace of mind to those who fear You below, and
    perform that which is good in Your eyes. Blessed are You, Lord, Who listens
    to prayer.&amp;quot;

Why isn&amp;#x27;t &amp;quot;vehatov beEinacha asei&amp;quot; part of our daily amida?

KT
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      <author>joelirarich at gmail.com (Joel Rich)</author>
      <title>[Avodah] shul building?</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2026 20:33:53 -0700</pubDate>
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      <description>I recently heard a rabbi quote another rabbi as understanding the following
as supporting spending large sums of money on shul buildings in chutz
laaretz:



????? ???? ???? ????? ?? ?? ???? ?

????, ??? ????? ???? ????: ?????? ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????? ????
??????



It is taught in a baraita: Rabbi Elazar HaKappar says: In the future, the
synagogues and the study halls in Babylonia will be transported and
reestablished in Eretz Yisrael.



I wonder how one would reconcile this approach with this gemara:



????? ??????? ???? ??? ??? ? ???? ?

?? ??? ?? ????? ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????



Jerusalem Talmud, Peah 8:



???????? ?????? ????? ???? ???????? ???????? ??????????? ?????? ??????????
??????????? ????????????? ???????. ????? ?????? ????? ???? ????????
???????? ??????????? ??????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ?????. ????? ?????
??????? ????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????. ??? ????? ???? ?????? ????
??????????? ?????????????.

Clarification. Rebbi ?ama bar ?anina and Rebbi Hoshaiah were strolling
through the synagogue of Lod. Rebbi ?ama bar ?anina said to Rebbi Hoshaiah:
How much money did my forefathers invest here! He answered him: How many
souls did your forefathers invest here, there is no one in here who studies
Torah!

KT
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      <author>michaelpoppers at gmail.com (Michael Poppers)</author>
      <title>[Avodah] waving“right“ to a hesped</title>
      <pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2026 12:38:13 -0700</pubDate>
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      <description>Please see relevant article https://hakirah.org/vol29Brody.pdf .

--Michael via phone</description>
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      <author>joelirarich at gmail.com (Joel Rich)</author>
      <title>[Avodah] zchiya</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2026 20:36:56 -0700</pubDate>
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      <description>Zchia by reuvain for an unknowing shimon is contingent on the acceptance by
Shimon and if he declines then it was never his. I?ve always wondered about
the status of the object in the indeterminate state between reuven picking
it up and shimon declining ownership. If the object is destroyed or causes
damage in that period do we treat it as belonging to reuven, Shimon, the
original owner, nobody?
Any thoughts would be appreciated
KT
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      <author>joelirarich at gmail.com (Joel Rich)</author>
      <title>[Avodah] waving“right“ to a hesped</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2026 20:34:00 -0700</pubDate>
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      <description>All things being equal would you say a person (including a parent) waving
his ?right? to a hesped or nihugei aceilut was positive neutral or negative?
KT
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      <author>micha at aishdas.org (Micha Berger)</author>
      <title>[Avodah] Finding A Spouse</title>
      <pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2026 09:18:07 -0700</pubDate>
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      <description>On Sun, Jun 07, 2026 at 2:35pm CDT, Jay F. Shachter wrote:
&amp;gt;&amp;gt; ... living in the land is but one of many mitzvos.
&amp;gt;&amp;gt;                ... there are other mitzvos that outrank it. Going
&amp;gt;&amp;gt; to learn bemaqom shelibo chafeitz. Finding a spouse.

&amp;gt; Since you, presumably intentionally, wrote &amp;quot;finding a spouse&amp;quot; instead
&amp;gt; of &amp;quot;finding a wife&amp;quot;, which would be the normal way to say it, what is
&amp;gt; your source for your assertion that a Jewish woman -- who is not
&amp;gt; obliged to marry anyone -- is permitted to leave Eretz Yisrael to find
&amp;gt; a husband?

Tzitz Eliezer 10:42 says that a woman&amp;#x27;s fulfilment of &amp;quot;lasheves yatzarahh&amp;quot;
is sufficient grounds to leave Israel to find a husband.

Since that&amp;#x27;s &amp;quot;what people say&amp;quot; and I never heard of a conflicting pesaq,
I had just taken it for granted that the ZE&amp;#x27;s position is consensus.
(Rather than a Daas Yachid that the hamon am thinks is normative.)

Tir&amp;#x27;u baTov!
-Micha

-- 
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http://www.aishdas.org/asp   and he wants to sleep well that night too.&amp;quot;
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