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Whatever we see, it is not I, not me, nor a man, not a woman. &amp;nbsp;In the eye, there is just color. &amp;nbsp;It arises and passes away. &amp;nbsp;So who is seeing the object? &amp;nbsp;There is no seer in the object. &amp;nbsp;Then how is the object seen? &amp;nbsp;On account of certain causes. &amp;nbsp;What are the causes? &amp;nbsp;Eyes are one cause; they must be intact, in good order. &amp;nbsp;Second, object or color must come in front of the eyes, must reflect on the retina of the eyes. &amp;nbsp;Third, there must be light. &amp;nbsp;Fourth, there must be attention, a mental factor. &amp;nbsp;If those four causes are present, then there arises a knowing faculty called eye consciousness. &amp;nbsp;If any one of the causes is missing, there will not be any seeing. &amp;nbsp;If eyes are blind, no seeing. &amp;nbsp;If there is no light, no seeing. &amp;nbsp;If there is no attention, no seeing. &amp;nbsp;But none of the causes can claim, "I am the seer." They're just constantly arising and passing. &amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;
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As soon as it passes away, we say, "I am seeing." &amp;nbsp;You are not seeing; you are just thinking, "I am seeing." &amp;nbsp;This is called conditioning. &amp;nbsp;Because our mind is conditioned, when we hear the sound, we say, "I am hearing." But there is no hearer waiting in the car to hear the sound. &amp;nbsp;Sound creates a wave, and, when it strikes against the eardrum, ear consciousness is the effect. &amp;nbsp;Sound is not a man, nor a woman; it is just a sound that arises and passes away. &amp;nbsp;But, according to our conditioning, we say, "That woman is singing and I am hearing." &amp;nbsp;But you're not hearing, you are thinking, "I am hearing." &amp;nbsp;Sound is already heard and gone. &amp;nbsp;There is no "I" who heard the sound; &amp;nbsp;it is the world of concept. &amp;nbsp;Buddha discovered this in the physical level, in the mental level: how everything is happening without an actor, without a doer - empty phenomenon go rolling on.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3225985453951330898-223193951267489277?l=awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/feeds/223193951267489277/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3225985453951330898&amp;postID=223193951267489277" title="2 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3225985453951330898/posts/default/223193951267489277?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3225985453951330898/posts/default/223193951267489277?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/AwakeningToReality/~3/w_xfNzyZHbQ/munindra-on-anatta.html" title="Munindra on Anatta" /><author><name>An Eternal Now</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16416159880942160813</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="32" height="29" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fLEH1KOMMoU/Tg3EBRJrdtI/AAAAAAAAADw/6BaXLQ65AMA/s220/mesmall.jpg" /></author><thr:total>2</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2012/01/munindra-on-anatta.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;DUAGQ3YyeCp7ImA9WhRWGUg.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3225985453951330898.post-7948741837372628240</id><published>2012-01-07T18:30:00.000+08:00</published><updated>2012-01-08T01:35:22.890+08:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2012-01-08T01:35:22.890+08:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Mahamudra" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Dependent Origination" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Emptiness" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Self Liberation" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Dzogchen" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Books and Websites Recommendations" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Khenpo Tsultrim Gyamtso" /><title>Self-Liberated Appearances, Self-Arisen Wisdom</title><content type="html">&lt;div dir="ltr" style="text-align: left;" trbidi="on"&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;Outside the three realms are shining in freedom&lt;br /&gt;
 Inside the wisdom, self-arisen, shines&lt;br /&gt;
 And in between is the confidence of realizing basic being&lt;br /&gt;
 I’ve got no fear of the true meaning—that’s all I’ve got!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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In this verse Milarepa sings about his realization of the true nature 
of reality. To realize the true nature of reality, the necessary outer 
condition is for the “three realms” to be “shining in freedom.” The 
three realms refer to the universe and all of the sentient beings within
 it. Sentient beings inhabit the desire realm, the form realm, and the 
formless realm, so these three realms include all the experiences that 
one could possibly have, and they are shining in freedom—they are 
self-liberated.*&lt;br /&gt;
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“Self-liberation” in one sense means that appearances of the three 
realms do not require an outside liberator to come and set them free, 
because freedom and purity are their very nature. This is because 
appearances of the three realms are not real. They are like appearances 
in dreams. They are the mere coming together of interdependent causes 
and conditions; they have no essence of their own, no inherent nature. 
This means that the appearances of the three realms are 
appearance-emptiness inseparable, and therefore, the three realms are 
free right where they are. Freedom is their basic reality. However, 
whether our experience of life in the three realms is one of freedom or 
bondage depends upon whether we realize their self-liberated true nature
 or not. It is like dreaming of being imprisoned: If you do not know you
 are dreaming, you will believe that your captivity is truly existent, 
and you will long to be liberated from it. But if you know you are 
dreaming, you will recognize that your captivity is a mere appearance, 
and that there is really no captivity at all—the captivity is 
self-liberated. Realizing that feels very good.&lt;br /&gt;
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The term “self-liberation” is also used in the Mahamudra and Dzogchen 
teachings, which describe appearances as “self-arisen and 
self-liberated.” This means that phenomena have no truly existent 
causes. For example, with a car that appears in a dream, you cannot say 
in which factory that car was made. Or with the person who appears in 
the mirror when you stand in front of it, you cannot say where that 
person was born. Since the dream car and the person in the mirror have 
no real causes for arising, all we can say about them is that they are 
self-arisen, and therefore they are also self-liberated.&lt;br /&gt;
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When we apply this to an experience of suffering, we find that since 
our suffering has no real causes, it does not truly arise, like 
suffering in a dream. So it is self-arisen, and therefore it is 
self-liberated. Since the suffering is not really there in the first 
place, it is pure and free all by itself. And apart from knowing 
self-liberation is suffering’s essential nature and resting within that,
 we do not need to do anything to alleviate it.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus, Milarepa sings that what one needs on the inside is to realize 
self-arisen original wisdom. This wisdom is the basic nature of mind, 
the basic nature of reality, and all outer appearances are this wisdom’s
 own energy and play. Original wisdom is self-arisen in the sense that 
it is not something created; it does not come from causes and 
conditions; it does not arise anew, because it has been present since 
beginningless time as the basic nature of what we are. We just have to 
realize it. The realization of original wisdom, however, transcends 
there being anything to realize and anyone who realizes something, 
because original wisdom transcends duality.&lt;br /&gt;
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How can we gain certainty about and cultivate our experience of this 
wisdom? Since wisdom is the true nature of mind, begin by looking at 
your mind. When you look at your mind, you do not see anything. You do 
not see any shape or color, or anything that you could identify as a 
“thing.” When you try to locate where your mind is, you cannot find it 
inside your body, outside your body, nor anywhere in between. So mind is
 unidentifiable and unfindable. If you then rest in this unfindability, 
you experience mind’s natural luminous clarity. That is the beginning of
 the experience of original wisdom. For Milarepa, original wisdom is 
shining. It is manifesting brightly through his realization of the 
nature of the three realms and of his own mind.&lt;br /&gt;
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In the third line, Milarepa sings of his confidence of realizing the 
true nature of reality, the true meaning. There are the expressions and 
words that we use to describe things, and the meaning that these words 
refer to—here Milarepa is singing about the latter. He is certain about 
the basic nature of reality, and as he sings in the fourth line, he has 
no fear of it, no doubts about what it is. He is also not afraid of the 
truth and reality of emptiness. When he sings: “that’s all I’ve got,” he
 is saying: “I am not somebody great. I do not have a high realization. 
All I have got is this much.” This is Milarepa’s way of being humble.&lt;br /&gt;
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One can easily be frightened by teachings on emptiness. It is easy to 
think: “Everything is empty, so I am all alone in an infinite vacuum of 
empty space.” If you have that thought, it is a sign that you need to 
meditate more on the selflessness of the individual. If you think of 
yourself as something while everything else is nothing, it is easy to 
get a feeling of being alone in empty space. However, if you 
rememberthat all phenomena, including you yourself, are equally of the 
nature of emptiness, beyond the concepts of “something” and “nothing,” 
then you will not be lonely; you will be open, spacious, and relaxed.&lt;br /&gt;
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In the context of this verse, it is helpful to consider a stanza from the Song of Mahamudra by Jamgön Kongtrül Lodrö Thaye:&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;From mind itself, so difficult to describe,&lt;br /&gt;
 Samsara and nirvana’s magical variety shines.&lt;br /&gt;
 Knowing it is self-liberated is view supreme.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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“Mind itself,” the true nature of mind, original wisdom, is difficult 
to describe—it is inexpressible. And from this inexpressible true nature
 of mind come all the appearances of samsara and nirvana. Appearances do
 not exist separately from the mind. What appears has no nature of its 
own. Appearances are merely mind’s own energy; mind’s own radiance; 
mind’s own light. And so appearances are a magical display. To describe 
the appearances of samsara and nirvana as a magical variety means that 
they are not real—they are magic, like a magician’s illusions. 
Appearances are the magical display of the energy of the inexpressible 
true nature of mind. When we know this,&amp;nbsp;we know that appearances are 
self-arisen and self-liberated, and that is the supreme view we can 
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* Most sentient beings, including animals and humans, inhabit the 
desire realm, so&amp;nbsp;named because desire for physical and mental pleasure 
and happiness is the overriding&amp;nbsp;mental experience of beings in this 
realm. The form realm and the formless realm are&amp;nbsp;populated by gods in 
various meditative states who are very attached to 
meditative&amp;nbsp;experiences of clarity and the total absence of thoughts, 
respectively. &lt;/div&gt;
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In our practice we just sit with our bodies and minds in the
zendo, and we aim to practice the Buddha Way in our activities outside the
zendo as well. In practicing the Buddha Way there is no separation between the
self that is studying the self and the self that is studied by the self; self
is studying the self, and the act of studying is also the self. There is no
such thing as a self that is separate from our activity. Dogen Zenji defined
this self as jijuyu-zanmai, a term that Sawaki Kodo Roshi described as “self
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To illustrate this point we can think of the relationship
between a runner and the act of running. When we think of this, we realize that
no runner is separate from the act of running; a runner and running are the
same thing. If the runner becomes separate from running, then the runner is not
running. If this is the case, the runner can no longer be called a runner since
a runner is defined as “one who runs.” The great ancient Indian master
Nagarjuna presented this example as part of his illustration of emptiness and
the negation of a fixed, permanent, fundamental essence that “owns” the body
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Running as well as sitting, eating, drinking, and breathing
are very ordinary things. But when we say, “There is no ‘I’ other than running”
or “running without a runner,” we think we are discussing something mysterious. But this view of the teachings of people such as Nagarjuna or Dogen is
mistaken. These teachers are trying to express a very ordinary thing in a truly
realistic way without fabrication. To do this they use words that negate
themselves in a way that reveals the reality beyond our thoughts.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;
When we practice the Buddha Way, there is no self, no Buddha
Way, no others. This is because self, Buddha Way, and others work together as
one. What we call “our actions” are actually the work done by both self and
other beings and objects. For example, when a person drives a car, the person
thinks “he” as subject drives “the car” as object. But in reality we cannot
drive without the car; we can only become a driver or be driven with the aid of
the car, and the car can only express its full function as a vehicle of
transportation when someone drives it. Our cars affect us both psychologically
and materially as well. We will drive different cars in different ways, for
example, depending upon the style or quality of the car. The feelings and
attitude of a person driving a cheap old truck carrying a load of junk will
likely be totally different from the feelings and attitude that person will
have driving a luxurious new car carrying a VIP. A car can also provide us with
the ability to travel quickly and conveniently, yet if it breaks down, we may
have to make more effort than usual to get where we need to go repair, fuel,
and insurance costs can exert an added financial stress on our lives and can
even feel burdensome. So in a sense the car own us and shapes us as much as we
own and control it, and the action of driving can actually be manifested only
by a person and a car working together. This reality of mutual influence and
interconnectedness is true not only for a “special” practice done by a group of
people called “Buddhists”; in truth this is the way all beings are working
within the circle of interdependent origination.&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;
The Buddha Way includes both self and objects. The Buddha
Way includes both people sitting and the sitting they do. They are actually one
thing. This is very difficult to explain, yet it is an obvious reality of our
lives. This reality is not some special state or condition that is only accomplished
by so-called “enlightened” people. Even when we don’t realize it, self, action,
and object are working together as one reality, so we don’t need to train
ourselves to make them into one thing in our minds. If self, action, and object
were really three separate things, they could not become one. The truth is that
they are always one reality, regardless of what we do or think.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Here's something I just added to my &lt;a href="http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2010/12/my-e-booke-journal.html"&gt;e-book&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;I was trained in these 3 aspects and Thusness asked me to write
                        something clearer about 'experience, realization and view' and
                        synchronistically I actually had the same thought on that day. I
                        think I'm going to add this as one of those preface chapters before
                        I start with the journal section in my e-book.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;So the 3 aspects I'm talking about are:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                        1. The Experience&lt;br /&gt;
                        2. The Realization&lt;br /&gt;
                        3. The Implications of View&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;However, for the sake of this article and benefit for readers, I
                        will add two more:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;4. The Practice&lt;br /&gt;
                        5. The Result/Fruition&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;... so this is going to be a very long article... I can feel it as
                        I am writing now, hehe. Oh and one more thing: I put Practice after
                        the first three instead of dealing with practice in the first part
                        because I want people to know what they are doing their practice
                        for, and the reason why they are doing those practices, how those
                        practices result in realization and their effects on View. You will
                        understand as you read further.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;This article documents my insight and experience and journey. Even
                        though whatever I said is authentic, spoken from experience,
                        accurate, it is not meant to be an authoritative map for everyone -
                        not everyone goes through these insights in the same linear fashion
                        (the Buddha only teach people to realize Anatta and Shunyata in the
                        traditional Pali texts and did not talk about Self-Inquiry or
                        Self-Realization, for instance), however it is true that all
                        traditions of Buddhism (provided that there is right guidance and
                        training) will eventually result in these various kinds of insights
                        and experience, despite going through a different path or
                        practice.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;It should also be understood that when people talk about "no-self", it could imply a number of things... from impersonality, to non-dual, to anatta. In worse case it is being misunderstood as dissociation (I, the observer, dissociates from phenomena as not myself). Therefore, we should always understand the context of 'no self' that is being said by the practitioner or person and not always assume that the 'no self' must be the same as the 'no self' you have in mind. Due to lack of clarity, very often 'anatta' is confused with 'impersonality', or 'anatta' with 'non-duality'. They are not the same even if there may be overlaps or aspects of each in one's experience. One must be careful to distinguish them and not confuse one with another.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will now start explaining 'experience'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;There are a number of important experiences related to our true
                        nature:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                        1. Pure Presence/Witness&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;This is the case when practitioners have experienced a pure
                        radiance of presence, awareness, in the gap between two thoughts.
                        Having recognised this pure presence-awareness, one tries to
                        sustain this recognition in daily life. In daily life, one may
                        sense this as a background witnessing presence, a space-like
                        awareness in the background of things. It is felt to be something
                        stable and unchanging though we often lose sight of it due to
                        fixation on the contents of experience or thoughts (like focusing
                        on the drawing and losing sight of the canvas). This is related to
                        the 'I AM', but still, this is the experience, not the
                        realization.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                        2. Impersonality&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;This is the case when practitioners experienced that everything is
                        an expression of a universal cosmic intelligence. There is
                        therefore no sense of a personal doer... rather, it feels like I
                        and everything is being lived by a higher power, being expressed by
                        a higher cosmic intelligence. But this is still dualistic – there
                        is still this sense of separation between a 'cosmic intelligence'
                        and the 'world of experience', so it is still dualistic.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;I experienced impersonality after the I AM realization, however
                        some people experience it before I AM realization. Theistic
                        Christians may not have I AM realization (it depends), however
                        through their surrendering to Christ, they can drop their sense of
                        personal doership and&amp;nbsp; experience the sense of 'being lived by
                        Christ', as in Galatians 2:20: "I have been crucified with Christ and I
                        no longer live, but Christ lives in me.". This is an experience of
                        impersonality that may or may not come with the realization of I
                        AM.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                        3. Non-dual into One Mind.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Where subject and object division collapsed into a single seamless
                        experience of one Naked Awareness. There is a difference between a
                        temporary non-dual experience and non-dual insight. Explained
                        later.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                        4. No-Mind&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Where even the naked Awareness is totally forgotten and dissolved
                        into simply scenery, sound, arising thoughts and passing scent.
                        This is the experience of Anatta, but not the realization of
                        Anatta. Explained later.&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                        &lt;br /&gt;
                        5. Sunyata (Emptiness)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;It is when the 'self' is completely transcended into dependently
                        originated activity. The play of dharma. There is a difference
                        between this as a peak experience and the realization of
                        emptiness/dependent origination. Explained later.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Next is the 'Realization':&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                        1. The Realization of I AM&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Having an experience of witnessing, or a state of pure presence, is
                        not the same as having attained self-realization - in that case the
                        practitioner can be said to have an experience, but not
                        insight/realization. I have had experiences of Presence and
                        Witnessing consciousness since 2007, but not the realization until
                        February 2010 after almost two years of self-inquiry
                        practice.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Self-realization is attained when there is a certainty of Being -
                        an irrefutable and doubtless realization of Pure Presence-Existence
                        or Consciousness or Beingness or Existence as being one's true
                        identity. There is nothing clearer or undoubtable or irrefutable
                        than You! Eureka. One realizes the luminous essence of mind but is
                        unable to see it as all manifestations under differing conditions (that would be non-dual and beyond).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;In this phase of insight one sees all thoughts and experiences as coming from and subsiding within this Ground of Being, but the Beingness as a noumenon is unaffected by the comings and goings of phenomenon, like the movie images passing through the screen, or the waves coming and going within an unchanging ocean. Seeing a subtle distinction between the Noumenal and Phenomenal, one clings to the pure thoughtless beingness (which is
                        non-conceptual thought) as one's purest identity, as if it is the true unchanging self or ground Behind all things - one clings to a formless background source or witness of phenomena.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Since view of duality and inherency is strong, Awareness is seen as
                        an eternal witnessing presence, a pure formless perceiving subject.
                        So it is seen that I am here, as an eternal unchanging Witness/Watcher of the passing thoughts and feelings, I simply witness but is not affected by, nor judges that one sees - nonetheless there is a separation between the Observer and the Observed. A true experience is being distorted by the mind's tendency at
                        projecting duality and inherency (to things, self, awareness,
                        etc)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Also, in my experience the I AM experience after the initial
                        realization is tainted with a slight sense of personality and
                        locality. That is, even though the mind knows how to experience
                        Presence beyond all concepts, the mind still cannot separate
                        Presence from that slight and subtle sense of personality, until
                        about two months after the realization, that sense of a localized
                        witness completely dissolved into a non-localized, impersonal space
                        of witnessing-awareness-presence (but still dualistic and
                        'background'). At this level, the I AM is separated from
                        Personality, and it is seen as if everything and everyone in the
                        world share the same source or same space, like if a vase breaks,
                        the air inside the vase completely merges with the air of the
                        entire environment such that there is no sense of a division
                        between an 'inside space' or an 'outside space', such that
                        everything shares the same space, as an analogy of all-pervading
                        presence. This all-pervading presence, though stripped of any sense
                        of a locality or a sense of personality, still pertains to the
                        thought level (non-conceptual thought). One does not experience the
                        same 'taste' in the other sense doors - like sight, sound, smell,
                        taste, touch. Nevertheless, if this experience of 'all-pervading
                        presence' is sustained, it can lead to an oceanic samadhi
                        experience.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
p.s. (update) Just one day after
writing this chapter, I found a book by the same name as mine, 'Who am I?' by
Pandit Shriram Sharma Archaya. He distinguishes the Soul, the Inner Self/the
Inner Witness/the 'Nucleus of your World', from the Universal Self or the
Omnipresent Supreme Being which is the supreme source of even that Inner Self
and everything else in the world. He says that one has to realise the Inner
Self first before realizing the unity or oneness of that Inner Self with that
Universal Self, Atman=Brahman. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal;"&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;This is precisely what I'm talking about - the difference between the
initial experience and realization of I AM (as the inner Self), then the
maturation into the Universal I AM. This is the difference between Thusness
Stage 1 and 2. In the Universal I AM, it is just this "unified field"
in which "everything belongs to everyone", and that in this phase
"A Yogi is one whose individuality has been consciously united (merged)
with the cosmic Self." Everything and everyone is impersonally expressed
and lived by this pervasive source, as stated by him, "particles of
universally pervasive intelligence and energy, cosmic consciousness [Chetna]
and life, are activating infinite systems, forms and forces of this
cosmos."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                        2. The Realization of Non-Dual, into One Mind&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Having an experience of non-duality is not the same as having a
                        realization... for example, you may have a temporary experience
                        where the sense of separation between experiencer and experience
                        suddenly and temporarily dissolves or there is the sense that
                        subject and object has merged... temporarily. I had such
                        experiences since 2006 (I had a number of similar experiences since
                        then in following years, differing in intensity and length), the
                        first time I had it was when looking at a tree - at that point the
                        sense of an observer suddenly disappeared into oblivion and there
                        is just the amazing greenery, the colours, shapes, and movement of
                        the tree swaying with the wind with an amazingly intense clarity
                        and aliveness as if every leaves on the tree is crystal-like. This
                        had a lot of 'Wow' factor to it because of the huge contrast
                        between the Self-mode of experience and the No-Self mode of
                        experience (imagine dropping a one ton load off your shoulders, the
                        huge contrast makes you go Wow!) This is not yet the realization of
                        non-duality... the realization that separation has been false right
                        from the beginning... there never was separation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;When non-dual realization (that there never was subject-object duality) arise, non-dual experience becomes effortless and has a more ordinary, mundane quality to it (even though not any less rich or intense or alive), as everywhere I go, it is just this sensate world presenting itself in an intimate, non-dual, clean, perfect, wonderful way, something that 'I' cannot 'get out of' even if I wanted to because there is simply no illusion and sense of self/Self that could get out of this mode of perceiving, and there is nothing I needed to do to experience that (i.e. effortless), something that has no entry and exit. In the absence of the 'huge contrast' effected in a short glimpse of non-dual experience prior to insight, there is less of the 'Wow' factor, more of being ordinary, mundane, and yet no less magnificent and wonderful.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;You also become doubtless that the taste of luminosity 
experienced in I AM is exactly the same taste in all six entries - 
sights, sounds, smell, taste, touch, thought. So now you realize the 
"one taste of luminosity" and effortlessly experience pure luminosity 
and presence-awareness in and as the transience. You realize that the I 
AM (nonceptual thought) that you realized and experienced is simply 
luminosity and NDNCDIMOP (non-dual, non-conceptual, direct, immediate 
mode of perception) in one particular state or manifestation or realm, 
by no means the totality, but by not realizing this you reified one 
state into the purest and most ultimate identity (a note however: the 
‘one taste’ spoken in Mahamudra tradition is not just one taste of 
luminosity but the one taste of the union of luminosity and emptiness), 
and thus you no longer "choose" or have "preference" on a purer state of
 presence to abide, since you see that I AM is no more I AM than a 
transient sound or sight or thought, everything shares the same taste of
 luminosity/awareness, and of non-duality. Here the tendency to refer 
back to a background is reduced as a result of this seeing..&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Hence merely having temporary non-dual samadhis are *not* enlightenment... why? The realization that there never was separation to begin with, hasn't arisen. Therefore you can only have temporary glimpses and experiences of non-dual... where the latent dualistic tendencies continue to surface... and not have seamless, effortless seeing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;And even after seeing through this separation, you may have the
                        realization of non-dual but still fall into substantial
                        non-duality, or One Mind. Why? This is because though we have
                        overcome the bond of duality, our view of reality is still seeing
                        it as 'inherent'. Our view or framework has it that reality must
                        have an inherent essence or substance to it, something permanent,
                        independent, ultimate. So though everything is experienced without
                        separation, the mind still can't overcome the idea of a
                        source.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;There is no overcoming the idea of an ultimate metaphysical
                        essence, something unchanging and ultimate, even with insight into
                        the non-duality of subject and object. With this view of inherency,
                        Awareness is seen as inherent, even though previously it was as if
                        things were happening 'In' Awareness but now all manifestations ARE
                        Awareness, or rather, Awareness is manifesting 'AS' everything
                        (rather than things happening 'IN' Awareness which would be
                        dualistic). Awareness is not apart from manifestation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Nonetheless, the mind keeps coming back to a 'source', a 'One Naked Awareness', a 'One Mind' which manifests as the many (All is Mind - everything is You! The trees, the mountains, the rivers, all You and yet not You - no duality or division of subject and object), and is unable to break-through and find the constant need to rest in an ultimate reality in which everything is a part of... a Mind, an Awareness, a Self.... Or one tries to be non-dual by attempts to reconfirm the non-dual or one mind (thinking the sound and sights is You, trying to subsume everything into Mind, trying to be nondual with or intimiate with sights and sounds) which is another form of effort arising due to ignorance – the ignorance of the fact of anatta that always already, seeing is just the seen, no seer, and therefore no effort or attempts to reconfirm is necessary. All effort is due to the illusion of ‘self’.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What this results in is a subtle tendency to cling, to sink back to a ground, a source, or attempt to reconfirm, and so transience cannot be fully and effortlessly appreciated for what it is. It is an important phase however, as for the first time phenomena are no longer seen as 'happening IN Awareness' but 'happening AS Awareness' – Awareness is its object of perception, Awareness is expressing itself as every moment of manifest perception.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;It should be understood that even in this phase, at the peak of One
                        Mind, one will have glimpses of No Mind as *temporary peak
                        experiences* where the source/Awareness is temporarily forgotten
                        into 'just the scenery, the taste, the sound, etc'. Very often,
                        people try to master the state of No Mind without realizing anatta,
                        thus no fundamental transformation of view can occur.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Since no fundamental change in view has taken place (the view is
                        still of 'inherent Source'), one can still fall back from that peak
                        experience and reference back to the One Awareness. That is, until
                        you see that the idea itself is merely a thought, and everything is
                        merely thoughts, sights, sounds, disjoint, disperse, insubstantial, ephemeral, bubble-like.
                        There, a change of view takes place... the result of,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                        &lt;br /&gt;
                        3. The Realization of Anatta&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Here, experience remains non-dual but without the view of
                        'everything is inside me/everything is an expression of
                        ME/everything is ME' but 'there is just thoughts, sight, sound,
                        taste' – just manifestation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;More precisely (as it is realized for me in October 2010 when I was
                        doing Basic Military Training): in that moment of seeing, you
                        realize that the seeing is JUST the experience of scenery! There is
                        no 'seer is seeing the secenery' - the view of 'seer seeing the
                        seen' is completely eradicated by the realization that 'in seeing
                        ALWAYS just the seen, Seeing is just the seen'. In seeing, always
                        just the shapes, colours, forms, textures, details of
                        manifestation. The illusion of agency is seen through
                        forever.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;BUT... this is not the end of story for anatta and no-agency. The
                        initial entry into Anatta for me was the aspect of Thusness's
                        Second Stanza of Anatta, however the First Stanza was not as clear
                        for me at the moment (for some people, they enter through the first
                        stanza, but for me and those focusing on non-dual luminosity,
                        insight comes through second stanza first). The two stanzas of
                        Anatta can be found in &lt;a href="http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2009/03/on-anatta-emptiness-and-spontaneous.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2009/03/on-anatta-emptiness-and-spontaneous.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Few months later, even though it has already been seen that ‘seeing
                        is always the sights, sounds, colours and shapes, never a seer’, I
                        began to notice this subtle remaining tendency to cling to a Here
                        and Now. Somehow, I still want to return to a Here, a Now, like
                        'The actual world right here and now', which I can 'ground myself
                        in', like I needed to ground in something truly existing, like I
                        needed to return to being actual, here, now, whatever you want to
                        call it. At that point when I detected this subtle movement I
                        instantly recognised it to be illusory and dropped it, however I
                        still could not find a natural resolution to that.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Until, shortly maybe two weeks later, a deeper insight arose and I
                        saw how Here/Now or something I can ground myself in doesn't apply
                        when the "brilliant, self-luminous, vivid, alive, wonderful
                        textures and forms and shapes and colours and details of the
                        universe", all sense perceptions and thoughts, are in reality
                        insubstantial, groundless, ephemeral, disjoint, unsupported and spontaneous,
                        there was a deeper freedom and effortlessness. It is this insight
                        into all as insubstantial, ephemeral, bubble-like, disjoint manifestations
                        that allows this overcoming of a subtle view of something inherent.
                        There is no observer observing something changing: simply that the
                        "sensate world" is simply these disjoint manifestations without
                        anything linking each sensation to another, without some inherent
                        ground that could link manifestations, so manifestations are
                        'scattered'. Somewhere this time, Thusness wrote me a post in blog:
                        http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2011/02/putting-aside-presence-penetrate-deeply.html&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Prior to this insight, there isn't the insight into phenomena as
                        being 'scattered' without a linking basis (well there already was
                        but it needs refinement)... the moment you say there is an ‘Actual
                        World Here/Now’, or a Mind, or an Awareness, or a Presence that is
                        constant throughout all experiences, that pervades and arise as all
                        appearances, you have failed to see the 'no-linking', 'disjointed',
                        'unsupported' nature of manifestation – an insight which breaks a
                        subtle clinging to an inherent ground, resulting in greater
                        freedom.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Only one who realizes anatta and thus becoming a &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sot%C4%81panna"&gt;stream entrant&lt;/a&gt; will start to understand the purpose of Buddhist practice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Buddhist practice is not about being lock-in to a most special or 
ultimate state of consciousness. Due to the false view that there is 
some inherently existing ultimate Self or state, such a spiritual 
aspirant may see the ultimate spiritual goal as permanent abidance in 
that purest unchanging state or reality or Source. This is actually a 
practice at grasping, not letting go, and therefore will not reach the 
Buddhist goal of the cessation of all clinging and afflictions 
(Nirvana).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Buddha's teachings on the other hand teaches us to realize no self, no me,
 no mine, in anything - including 'awareness', 'consciousness'. It does not
 mean consciousness is denied but the inherency of consciousness is seen through. One 
sees that the notion of agency, or an ultimate awareness observing or 
manifesting things is an illusion... in seeing there is just the seen 
without seer, no agent, no source behind things. So there is not 
'awareness and manifestation' and not even 'awareness manifesting as 
everything' since 'awareness' is only 'manifestation'. There is no 'The 
Awareness', rather it is deconstructed into the six constituent 
streams of consciousnesses therefore vastly different from the monistic 
kind of non-duality (One Mind) - rather there are the visual, auditory, 
nasal, gustatory, tactile, and mental consciousness, all are processes 
of activities manifesting according to causes and conditions (such as 
the sense organ, the sense object, and all kinds of various causes and 
conditions). So all experiences are constantly self-releasing because 
there is no 'inherent view', the view of something inherent, that causes
 us to grasp, abide, cling to.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;In short,
what this realization entails is the deconstruction of 'Awareness' into the six
streams of dependently originated consciousness, without a cognizer, through
the realization that in seeing always just the colours, shapes and forms, and
in hearing always just the sounds (the diverse appearance of manifestation).
There is just a process and stream of activities of knowing without knower, and
each manifestation of cognizance is distinct, disjoint, it is just a diverse
display of manifold rather than a collapsing of multiplicity into Oneness such
as in the case of One Mind.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;When the sense of self/Self is sufficiently deconstructed, you also
                        begin to experience everything as being a stream of activities that
                        dependently originates. You directly see and experience everything
                        as the activity resultant of the interaction of the entire universe
                        of causal conditions... the total exertion of the universe, the
                        totality of causes and conditions, gives rise to this moment of
                        manifestation. Effectively, there is no self, no universe, no
                        solidity, and all there ever is is an interdependent process of
                        causes and conditions meeting to give rise to an activity, followed
                        by another interaction that gives rise to more activities, ad
                        infinitum.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Therefore, dependent origination allows us not only to see "just
                        manifestation" as in anatta, but also to see "manifestation" as the
                        dynamic interdependent process of ungraspable, unlocatable, and
                        empty (yet vivid, dynamically manifesting) activities. However,
                        without anatta, without the utter and complete deconstruction and
                        removal of the sense of self/Self, we will not be able to
                        experience everything as the total exertion of all causal
                        conditions. It is only when the sense of self/Self is totally
                        relinquished that we can experience ourselves AS this causal
                        process, without any sense of an agency or personality. Therefore,
                        the insight and experience of dependent origination requires the
                        full maturation of Anatta and No-Mind as a requisite.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Anatta and dependent origination are therefore linked, but not the
                        same. You can realize anatta but not realize dependent origination,
                        but you cannot truly experience and realize dependent origination
                        without anatta (i.e. through dualistic and inherent thought or
                        view). For example, normally we view ourselves as actors, and
                        doers, of our bodily action and speech. We think we are a
                        controller of our thoughts, feelings, and experiences. When we
                        realize anatta, this doer, controller, perceiver, agent is seen to
                        be false and illusory - there never was an agent. This makes it
                        possible for us to penetrate deeper into 'how' manifestation
                        occurs? At this point, an intuitive seeing happens - whatever
                        manifests, manifests as an activity via causality, the sound of 'da
                        da da' on the keyboard does not come from ME, they are not MINE,
                        but the words formulating in the mind, leading almost instantly to
                        a physical movement and action to press the buttons on the
                        keyboard, leading instantly to a manifested auditory experience of
                        the 'da da da' sound.... one seamless impersonal, interdependent
                        and causal process of activities, manifesting upon the aggregation
                        of causes and conditions, subsiding due to the fading away of
                        causes and conditions. One cannot even say that the 'da da da' is
                        the sound of the keyboard any more than it is the sound of the
                        words formulating in my mind - it is just this single causal,
                        impersonal process of activities happening without any agency or
                        source (be it internal or external), happening entirely by causal
                        aggregation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                        &lt;br /&gt;
                        4. The Realization of Emptiness (Shunyata)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Effectively with the realization of Anatta, the substantiality of
                        any self/Self is totally seen through. There is no such thing as a
                        'self' or an ultimate 'Self' with the capital S at all - always, in
                        seeing just sights, in hearing only sounds, in sensing - just
                        tactile sensations. Manifesting and liberating upon inception...
                        moment by moment. Once seen, there is no longer any more clinging
                        to some ultimate Source or metaphysical essence/substance. Instead,
                        one finds delight in the direct revelation of the sensate world
                        moment by moment, seeing, hearing, tasting, all wonderful, all
                        marvellous, how alive... words can never capture it, the
                        practitioner is no longer concerned with concepts and contents, but
                        instead 'grooves' in the minutest details of every sensation.
                        Freedom from sense of self/Self is very freeing and blissful.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;However, having said so much, there is a danger of reifying the
                        sensate world into an actual, substantial, tangible, inherently
                        existing objective universe. This is the phase after the
                        realization of Anatta, and before the realization of Shunyata. At
                        this phase, it is as Thusness have said, "Before the insight anatta
                        first arose, you still risked the danger of seeing the physical as
                        inherent and truly existing. Therefore there is a period that you
                        are lost, unsure and AF [Actualism/Actual Freedom - a teaching that
                        aims to eradicate all sense of self/Self and emotions] seems
                        appealing - a sign that you have not extended the insight of
                        emptiness to phenomena though you kept saying twofold emptiness.",
                        and after Shunyata it is more like "There is just aggregates that
                        are like foams, bubbles, ethereal having all the same taste without
                        substantiality and implicitly non-dual. No sense of body, mind and
                        the world, nothing actual or truly there."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;So what is the realization of Shunyata?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;When observing a thought in the beginning of June 2011, observing
                        where it came from, where it goes to, where it stays, it's
                        discovered (again, a eureka moment) that the thought is utterly
                        illusory (and likewise all forms and sense perception are the
                        same)! Empty! No-arising, no-staying, no-cessation! Insubstantial!
                        Coreless! Substanceless! Hollow! Unlocatable! Without an origin!
                        Without a destination! Cannot be pinned down! Cannot be grasped!
                        Cannot be found! And yet, as empty as it is, still, like a
                        magician's trick, an apparition, an illusion, vividly manifesting
                        due to interdependent origination out of nowhere, in nowhere! How
                        amazing it is! A sense of wonder and bliss arose in light of this
                        realization, a newfound freedom and liberation. And as wonderful as
                        it sound, there is still nonetheless a growing dispassion to the
                        entire show - it is like a TV show, and when you see that your
                        whole life is like a TV show - utterly empty of any substance, you
                        can no longer become so passionate about it. You see it as it truly
                        is - a dream-like movie playing out. This is the arising of true
                        dispassion and non-attachment.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;It should be understood that everything is dream-like, mind-only,
                        in the sense of Emptiness is not the same as Substantial
                        Non-duality of One Mind.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;It is now seen that everything is really no different from a
                        thought - as in as baseless and empty as a projected thought like a
                        dream, though it doesn't literally mean everything (including sense
                        perceptions) are mere figment of imagination or projection (if you
                        stop thinking, illusory perceptions still manifest due to natural
                        dependent origination). Since everything is dream-like and
                        illusory, they are fundamentally no different from a thought or a
                        dream, and it is in this sense we can say that everything is
                        mind-only. So all is mind in terms of emptiness signifies this
                        dreamlike nature, vastly different from all is mind from
                        substantialist perspective.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;So in short, there is a very big difference between substantialist
                        non-dual of One-Mind and what I said here. In this experience,
                        there is no background reality. It is NOT 'The world is illusory,
                        only Brahman is Real'. It is not about the background Awareness
                        (there is no awareness apart from manifestation!) but rather the
                        foreground aggregates that I am talking about - A thought.
                        Everything is as insubstantial and illusory as a thought or a
                        dream. There is just the aggregates that are like foams, bubbles,
                        ethereal, having all the same taste (of luminosity and emptiness)
                        without substantiality and implicitly non-dual. No sense of body,
                        mind and the world, nothing actual or truly there or here.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Anatta (firstfold emptiness, pertaining to self/soul) makes clear
                        many of the Buddha's teachings about anatta, especially Bahiya
                        Sutta, Anattalakkhana Sutta, and so on. Whereas this realization of
                        Shunyata (as in secondfold emptiness, pertaining to objects) makes
                        clear another set of teachings by Buddha such as the Phena Sutta,
                        and the Mahayana Sutras like the Heart Sutra and Prajnaparamita
                        Sutras.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;The realization of twofold emptiness is traditionally (in Mahayana
                        traditions) deemed as the basic criteria for realizing the first
                        bhumi Bodhisattva in the path to Buddhahood, whereas the
                        realization of anatta (no subjective self) is the realization of
                        stream-entry in the path to Arhantship.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="body" id="post-body-10433319"&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Implication of Views&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The implication of views wasn’t very clear to me until more recent
                        months (some time after I realized Anatta and Shunyata), when I
                        began to see that what was causing grasping, clinging, the wrong
                        way of perception, sense of self and so on was actually the latent
                        view of inherency and duality. Even though previously realization
                        has arisen that clearly done damage to such views, the impact of
                        views in our experience and living wasn’t fully clear until more
                        recently.&lt;br /&gt;
What is view? View is a deeply held notion, belief, position,
                        stance, with regards to the reality of self and objects. This view
                        has direct implications on how we view things - how we form a
                        mental conception of self and things which causes grasping and
                        contraction. When you want to cut ignorance, you go for its roots,
                        not cut off its leaves and branches. In this analogy, sense of
                        self/Self is its manifest form (leaves and branches) in the form of
                        a sense of contraction, alienation and self-grasping in the form of
                        craving and emotions, while the latent view is its roots.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As an example: if you view that your self abides in the heart
                        center, then you may sense a contraction in the heart center, if
                        your belief/position is that your self abides in the head, you may
                        sense a contraction or clinging there, as well as that sense of
                        alienation from the sensate world at large, a sense that there is
                        this seer behind the eyes looking outwards at the world in a
                        distance. That felt-sense of contraction and alienation, that sense
                        of self/Self, is its manifest form, while the
                        self-view/position/belief/ignorance is its root. This is why we
                        cannot successively get rid of the sense of self/Self by will and
                        effort without effectively cutting off self-view from its root
                        through a paradigm shift via realization. There times of peak
                        experiences which everyone has experienced some time in their lives
                        (usually in childhood) where the sense of a self/Self goes into
                        temporary abeyance and there is just the sensate world, magnificent
                        and wonderful, untainted by any sense of self or emotional
                        contents, just the pristine purity and clarity of the sensate world
                        at large. Yet most of us tend to forget those moments, and continue
                        our lives not transformed by such experiences at all. Why is that
                        so? Our self-view is intact, and no amount of glimpses of PCE (Pure
                        Consciousness Experience) or NDNCDIMOP (non-dual, non-conceptual,
                        direct, immediate mode of perception) is fundamentally going to
                        transform us unless we cut off the roots of ignorance.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It should be understood that these latent tendencies or view of
                        inherency and duality runs so deep down in our psyche that it is
                        not merely a matter of conceptual belief but a deeply rooted,
                        habitual way of perceiving things through a particular paradigm or
                        framework... so deep and habitual that it cannot be removed even if
                        one has come to an intellectual conclusion or inference that the
                        doctrine of anatta and emptiness is actually something that makes
                        more sense than the view of duality and self. For instance, I
                        myself have faith and am convinced intellectually about the truth
                        of anatta and emptiness way before I had a direct experiential
                        realization that effectively resulted in the liberation of false
                        view. But I can say in those years where I remain a mere
                        intellectual or conceptual conviction or inferred understanding of
                        this matter, I do not experience any sense of a freedom from
                        self-contraction, from afflictive emotions, and so on... all these
                        come from tendencies so deeply latent that it cannot be resolved by
                        a mere intellectual transformation of views and beliefs (such as by
                        training yourself in the Madhyamaka reasonings). For false view run
                        far deeper into our psyche that require you to truly realize things
                        from experiential awakening/knowledge and vision of things as they
                        are.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Also, a lot of people think 'The Right View is No View' which is
                        true since all metaphysical views pertain to false views of
                        existence and non-existence, however the way they go about
                        resolving the problem is by 'forgetting all concepts'. They think
                        that by suspending all beliefs, by forgetting all concepts and
                        sitting quietly in a state of pure awareness, somehow merely by
                        that, they can overcome false views. Let me offer something for you
                        think about: every day we go into a state of deep sleep where all
                        our beliefs, concepts, views, thoughts are temporarily suspended.
                        But when we wake up, what happens? We are as ignorant as ever. Our
                        framework of viewing self and reality is still the same. We still
                        experience the same problems, the same sufferings, the same
                        afflictions. This analogy should clearly show you that sustaining a
                        state of non-conceptuality or mastering a state of 'forgetting the
                        self' is not going to result in a fundamental change or
                        transformation or effortless seeing, unless true wisdom and insight
                        arises. I shall offer two more analogies which are related: a
                        person deluded as to see a rope as a snake, will live in fear,
                        trying to tame the snake, trying to get rid of the snake, escape
                        from the snake. Maybe he managed a way to distant himself from the
                        snake, yet the belief that the snake is still there is nevertheless
                        going to haunt him.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Even if he managed to master the state of
                        forgetting the snake, he is nonetheless in a state of delusion. He
                        has not seen as it truly is: the snake is simply a rope. In another
                        analogy, the child believes in the existence of santa claus and
                        awaits eagerly for arrival of his presents on Christmas day. One
                        day the parents decide that it's time the child be told the truth
                        about santa claus. To do this, beating the hell out of the child is
                        not going to work. You simply need to tell the child that santa
                        claus doesn't truly exist. In these analogies, I try to showcase
                        how trying to deal with the problem of false views through means of
                        'forgetting conceptuality, forgetting the self' is as useless or
                        deluded as 'trying to forget the snake, trying to tame the snake,
                        trying to beat the hell out of the child' when the simple, direct
                        and only true solution is only to realize that there is only a
                        rope, and that santa claus isn't real. Only Awakening liberates us
                        from a bondage that is without basis.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Without the right contemplation and instilling of right view, you
                        can 'sit quietly in pure awareness' for an entire lifetime without
                        waking up. I cannot stress this point enough because this is a very
                        prevalent erroneous understanding - even someone at the I AM level
                        of realization will talk about non-conceptuality, non-conceptual
                        Presence-Awareness and think it is final. Same goes for other
                        stages. By overemphasizing on non-conceptuality, they will miss the
                        subtler aspects of insight, they will fail to grasp right view,
                        they will fail to tackle the subtler imprints and mental framework
                        of viewing dualistically and inherently. They will not even see
                        their framework of perceiving self and things as false that is
                        causing some subtle effort and clinging (to a Self or to an actual
                        ground here/now or to an actual world), just like you will never
                        see your dream as a dream until well... you wake up.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As Zen writer and speaker Ted Biringer says, "Accurate
                        understanding is not authentic realization. At the same time,
                        authentic realization can hardly be expected to occur without
                        accurate understanding. And while an absence of "right
                        understanding" almost excludes the possibility of authentic
                        realization, the presence of "wrong understanding" excludes even
                        the slimmest hope of success. If we aspire to realize what Zen
                        practice-enlightenment truly is, then, as Dogen says, "We should
                        inquire into it, and we should experience it." To follow his
                        guidance here we will need to understand his view of what "it" is
                        that needs to be inquired into, and who the "we" is that is to do
                        the inquiring."&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Non-conceptuality does not mean non-attachment. For
                        example when you realize the I AM, you cling to that pure
                        non-conceptual beingness and consciousness as your true identity.
                        You cling to that pure non-conceptual thought very tightly – you
                        wish to abide in that purest state of presence 24/7. This clinging
                        prevents us from experiencing Presence AS the Transience. This is a
                        form of clinging to something non-conceptual. So know that going
                        beyond concepts does not mean overcoming the view of inherency and
                        its resultant clinging clinging. Even in the substantial non-dual
                        phase, there is still clinging to a Source, a One Mind – even
                        though experience is non-dual and non-conceptual. But when inherent
                        view is dissolved, we see there is absolutely nothing we can cling
                        to, and this is the beginning of Right View and the Path to Nirvana
                        – the cessation of clinging and craving.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So as you can see, non-conceptual, even non-dual experience does
                        not liberate - so we have to use the intellect to understand right
                        view, and then investigate it in our experience. This is like a
                        fire that in the end burns up the candle it is burning on,
                        consuming itself in the process, leaving no trace even of itself.
                        In other words, conceptual understanding of right view, coupled
                        with investigative practice, results in true realization that
                        dissolves concepts leaving non-conceptual wisdom - but without that
                        process of investigating and trying to understand right view,
                        merely remaining in a state of non-conceptuality isn't going to
                        help you get free. People who fear engaging in thought, trying to
                        understand the right view, challenging their views and
                        understanding of things, are unfortunately going to stick with
                        their own deluded framework of perceiving things.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Now having diverted our attention so much, let us return to the
                        subject at hand.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There are two kinds of views (with sub categories):&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                        1. View of Subject-Object Duality&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The view of subject-object duality is prevalent in everyone up to
                        the realization of I AM. If you have not realized I AM, it is felt
                        as a sense of alienation, separation, distance, between I as a
                        subjective perceiver inside my head looking at the world 'outside'
                        from a distance.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Having realized the I AM, one no longer doubts one's Existence,
                        Pure Presence, Consciousness. It cannot be unseen, because
                        luminosity is the unconditioned characteristic or essence of mind
                        that can never be removed from sight. In that moment of
                        realization, there is no longer any doubts as it is a direct
                        non-conceptual realization of a fundamental fact of reality.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Yet, due to the taints of dualistic view, this luminosity is
                        abstracted from other experiences (from sense perceptions,
                        thoughts, etc). Due to the view that there is a subjective self, or
                        observer, apart from the perceived objects, there is always this
                        split between Me, the Observing Awareness, and 'that' - the
                        observed objects. Even if one perceives Awareness to be an infinite
                        background container and manifestations to be finite appearances
                        popping in and out of this background container awareness like
                        waves on the ocean, there is always this split between 'awareness'
                        and 'contents of awareness'. Contents of awareness appears 'in'
                        awareness, but is not awareness. The view that Awareness is a
                        container for phenomena but is not a phenomena is a kind of
                        dualistic view/position/stance that is unfounded, but in ignorance
                        taken to be true. This is the subject-object dualistic division.
                        When one realizes non-duality, one no longer sees awareness as the
                        background container of appearances.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
However even though dualistic bond is gone and one no longer sees
                        distance, separation, inside or outside, but an intimacy with
                        everything, nonetheless there can still be the bond of inherency -
                        seeing Awareness as something inherent (independent, unchanging), a
                        subtle clinging to the view of a Subjective Self even though
                        usually seen as impersonal [in fact probably seen to be universal]
                        and furthermore without subject-object division: 'IT' is
                        inseparable from, and manifesting itself as, all
                        appearances.&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
                        &lt;br /&gt;
                        2. View of Inherency&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The view of inherency is twofold: the view that a subjective self
                        [whether personal or universal], and the view that
                        objects/phenomena have intrinsic, objective substantiality (whether
                        gross such as 'a tree', or subtle, such as elemental existence of
                        atoms).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
All metaphysical views come down to 'is' or 'is not'. Either
                        something exist, or something does not exist. The former is
                        eternalism, the latter is nihilism. Both views are extremes and to
                        be rejected according to Buddha.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What is subjective self? Self is seen as being an unchanging
                        subject - in other words, moment by moment, the objects of the
                        field of experience come and go, but there is this unchanging
                        subject or Self that remains unchanged and independent of the
                        objective field of things and events. There is something that is me
                        (what I feel as subjectively existing, unchanging and independent),
                        and something that is not me (that which is experienced apart from
                        myself). The former is subjective self, the latter is the objective
                        pole.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For example, the view that there is a self in here, in this body,
                        that remains unchanged even as the body undergoes birth, growing,
                        ageing, and so on, even death for some (view of eternalism - a soul
                        remains unchanged and continues into eternity even after death) or
                        perhaps only in this life (view of annihilation - the self ceases
                        upon death) constitutes the view of a subjective self or soul. If
                        you were to lose your hand, you still feel "I am the same old me".
                        That view that the self remains unchanged pertains to the stance or
                        position of an existent self.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
However, exactly how we view subjective self can get more
                        complicated than that, and this view changes and transforms
                        accordingly, it differs from person to person, and depends also on
                        your spiritual practice and experience (if you have one).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The view of what Self is can be very coarse or subtle. For most
                        people, their view of self is not very clear - if you ask them do
                        you think you exist? They will say 'yeah, of course I do'. If you
                        ask them, do you feel you exist as a self? They will say 'yes, of
                        course I FEEL [perceive/project/believe/sense] that I do exist'.
                        But if you ask them, where you located? They usually cannot answer
                        you immediately. They may give you vague answers like, well, I'm
                        here, of course. But if you probe them where is the 'here' they
                        refer to, they need to think. They aren't sure (unless they have
                        contemplated about it before). You ask them, are you located in
                        your hands, your legs, and so on? Doesn't seem like likely
                        candidates since if you remove your hands or legs, you still feel
                        like you're there, unchanged - in other words hands and legs are
                        seen as possessions (mine) rather than self (me). As they try to
                        pinpoint where the Self is, usually some will point to the center
                        behind the eyes inside the head, or somewhere in the heart region.
                        Depending on where they cling to as their seat of the Self, they
                        will feel some tension, tightness, and contraction to that region
                        of self.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Also, regardless of where you pinpoint your self to be at, there is
                        always this ongoing sense of alienation from the sensate world at
                        large, a sense that there is this seer behind the eyes looking
                        outwards at the world in a distance. This clinging to a subjective
                        self veils us from having an intimate, non-dual, non-conceptual,
                        direct, immediate mode of perception of the sensate world as it is.
                        It keeps "us" in a distance (there will always be a sense of
                        distance when there is a sense of a separate self).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This view of self transforms when you undertake practice of
                        self-inquiry. At the moment of self-realization, the view of Self
                        completely undergoes a life-changing shift. There is this
                        undoubtable insight of what Consciousness IS, what Existence IS,
                        what Presence IS. And this Consciousness is undoubtably present,
                        intimate, YOU, closer than your breathe. This undeniable fact of
                        BEING is taken to be the true self. It has nothing to do with the
                        body, nothing to do with the world... so the previous views of a
                        self being inside the body or having to do with a body is
                        overthrown. Rather, all experiences (including the body and mind)
                        are seen to be happening TO a background pure
                        existence-consciousness... and soon (for me in two months) it
                        becomes the ultimate impersonal container of everything - the
                        trees, the door, the floor, the birds, the mountains, everything is
                        not happening outside of me, but is all happening in one universal
                        space - Consciousness doesn't belong to me any more than it belongs
                        to the door or the cat's, it is all just One Existence, One Life
                        expressing itself in every form and being.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At this point the view of Self becomes more impersonal - you see
                        that this entire universe is simply an expression of this
                        impersonal, universal space, and that this universal source is what
                        you truly are. So again, the view of Self shifts accordingly to
                        your progression in insight and experience. Still, the view of Self
                        is tightly held - coarse in fact, because now you have a very solid
                        (rather than vague) sense of what You are, in contrast to the
                        uncertainty of what Self is before Self-Realization.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This view can potentially be a hindrance to progress because if you
                        cling too tightly to the view that this I AM or Beingness (which
                        actually simply is a manifestation pertaining to the non-conceptual
                        thought realm) is your truest identity, something most special and
                        ultimate, you will crave or cling very tightly to it. This will
                        prevent non-dual from being experienced in other sense doors and
                        experiences.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
But if you are able to let go of this clinging, focus on advancing
                        the I AM in terms of the four aspects and with the right pointers
                        and contemplation, your practice progresses and you will come to a
                        point of realization that Awareness/Consciousness/Existence has
                        never been separated in terms of a subject and an object. This is
                        the point where dualistic view is removed (as mentioned earlier)
                        but not the inherent self view yet. All perceptions, experiences,
                        manifestations, sights and sounds are completely non-dual with
                        Consciousness. In other words, they are not happening TO or IN
                        Consciousness, but AS Consciousness. Consciousness is itself taking
                        shape and experiencing itself as the mountains, the rivers,
                        everything IS Consciousness in expression, everything is
                        Consciousness, All is Mind. At this point, the view of Self shifts
                        again - now it is no longer a Subjective Witness, the sense of a
                        subjective Witness completely dissolves... into One Mind, an
                        indivisible/undivided field of Consciousness expressing itself as
                        everything. The view of Self at this point takes this One Mind,
                        this undivided One Naked Awareness to be the Self. Even though it
                        is indivisible from everything, expresses itself in everything,
                        nevertheless this One Awareness is unchanging and truly existing.
                        Non-duality at this point is understood not as no duality (in which
                        case there is absolutely no Subject, not even an unchanging
                        Awareness), but as the inseparability of subject and object, a
                        collapsing of dualities into Oneness. As an analogy, Awareness is
                        seen to be an unchanging mirror, which nevertheless cannot be
                        separated or divided from the contents in the mirror - Awareness
                        and the contents of Awareness are completely One - there is only
                        One seamless field of experiencing - the One Naked Awareness. Even
                        though seamless, even though not seen as anything personal or
                        separate, Awareness is still seen as an unchanging Subjective Self
                        manifesting itself as the field of experience. So this seamless One
                        is now deemed as the Self.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
When we come to the realization of Anatta, the last vestige of
                        (Subjective) Self-View collapses, resulting in what Buddha calls
                        Stream-Entry and the eradication of self-view (sakkayaditthi). At
                        this point, NOTHING at all - not even Consciousness can be deemed
                        as a Self. And how is this so? By seeing Awareness, deemed as Self,
                        as also not-self, in the manner of 'in seeing always just the
                        seen', 'seeing is just the experience of sight' - not I, not me,
                        not mine, only a selfless process of self-luminous activities
                        without agency. You know self-view has been overthrown when there
                        is through experiential knowledge and vision that there is no self
                        to be found inside or apart from the process of five aggregation.
                        There is simply no You in reference to what is seen and experienced
                        in any manner (to, in, etc) - in seeing just the seen. At this
                        point you see as the suttas state, that the aggregation cannot be
                        said to be happening TO a self, IN a self, nor can it be deemed a
                        self exists IN the aggregates (like a soul located inside the
                        body). As the Buddha explains, "But, lady, how does self-identity
                        not come about?"&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
"There is the case where a well-instructed disciple of the noble
                        ones — who has regard for noble ones, is well-versed &amp;amp;
                        disciplined in their Dhamma; who has regard for men of integrity,
                        is well-versed &amp;amp; disciplined in their Dhamma — does not assume
                        form to be the self, or the self as possessing form, or form as in
                        the self, or the self as in form." in Udana Sutta, and in Bahiya
                        Sutta he says "When for you there will be only the seen in
                        reference to the seen, only the heard in reference to the heard,
                        only the sensed in reference to the sensed, only the cognized in
                        reference to the cognized, then, Bahiya, there is no you in terms
                        of that. When there is no you in terms of that, there is no you
                        there. When there is no you there, you are neither here nor yonder
                        nor between the two. This, just this, is the end of stress."&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Once the Subjective Self-View has been dissolved through anatta
                        realization, the view of objective existence still occurs. Even
                        though there is no view or sense that there is a seer seeing the
                        red flower - only the experience of the red flower, nevertheless
                        the view of objective existence is that the sensate world we
                        experience actually references an objectively existing world, such
                        that if I close my eye, the red flower I previously saw is actually
                        still truly existing out there in a substantial manner. Perhaps,
                        for more intellectual people, they can adopt a more agnostic kind
                        of view with regards to the world - perhaps it is real, perhaps it
                        is unreal, but whether the world truly exists out there however
                        cannot be known by me. Or perhaps, they can even adopt the view of
                        emptiness (through inference and study on emptiness teachings), yet
                        without true experiential realization, the view of objective
                        existence cannot be dissolved... just as even if you adopt the view
                        of anatta through inference (through analogies such as the
                        Chandrakirti's sevenfold reasoning), nonetheless as I said earlier,
                        with this inferred understanding you will still experience clinging
                        to the sense of self, a sense of contraction and alienation despite
                        the intellectual acceptance of the doctrine, until you have
                        resolved this matter through direct experiential insight.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
However, to get a sense of how this view of objective existence is
                        actually untenable, with the example of the red flower I said
                        earlier as an example (that whether I close my eyes, the red flower
                        truly exists out there), consider this: If we were to observe a red
                        flower that is so vivid, clear and right in front us, the “redness”
                        only appears to “belong” to the flower, it is in actuality not so.
                        Vision of red does not arise in all animal species (dogs cannot
                        perceive colours) nor is the “redness” an inherent attribute of the
                        mind. If given a “quantum eyesight” to look into the atomic
                        structure, there is similarly no attribute “redness” anywhere
                        found, only almost complete space/void with no perceivable shapes
                        and forms. Whatever appearances are dependently arisen, and hence
                        is empty of any inherent existence or fixed attributes, shapes,
                        form, or “redness” -- merely luminous yet empty, mere appearances
                        without inherent/objective existence.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
When realization is experientially realized, the entire sensate
                        world, including all thoughts, are seen to be completely empty of
                        any inherent objective existence. You can no longer believe or view
                        objects as having an independent core or substance out there. There
                        is simply no way of clinging at sensate world in terms of 'the
                        flower exists in this way' - there is no more clinging to objects
                        and characteristics or objects as possessing certain
                        characteristics, no longer false views about being able to locate
                        or pin down an actuality of objects, no more grasping them as truly
                        existent. Everything appears as completely illusory yet vividly
                        appearing, having a magical quality (literally 'appearing like
                        magic') to them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;In Conclusion&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Non-conceptuality, or even non-duality of subject and object
                        does not mean non-attachment. As Thusness says: non-dual luminosity
                        is blissful, but not liberating. Many people think the
                        non-conceptual Presence of I AM, or the non-conceptual and non-dual
                        luminosity free of subject and object is liberation. It is
                        not.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You can also see from my explanations above on 'view of inherency'
                        that the view of duality is simply a subset of the view of
                        inherency (one particular way the self is seen - as a separate
                        subject), and removing the view of duality does not mean removing
                        all views of inherency (having relinquished the view of a dualistic
                        self or a perceiver separate from objects, you can still cling to a
                        unified self or One Mind).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The complete dissolution of views pertaining to duality and
                        inherency (therefore Right View is No View) is what results in non
                        clinging, because all clinging have their basis in taking self and
                        things as true existents, as something to cling on to. For example
                        to be able to cling on to something, you must be able to establish
                        something which you can cling to. To be able to cling to the sense
                        of self, the view of self must be in tact, to be able to cling to
                        objects, the view of objective existence must be in tact... in the
                        same way that in order to cling or crave after santa claus, you
                        must believe in the existence of santa claus, to fear the snake in
                        the rope, you must truly be deluded enough to perceive the rope as
                        a snake. All views are mental proliferations, all mental
                        proliferations cause suffering. As Nagarjuna says, "Not known from
                        another; peaceful; lacking proliferation with proliferations;
                        non-conceptual; undifferentiated — that is the characteristic of
                        reality." A fully awakened person (a Buddha) who never leaves a
                        state of equipoise on reality does not have views, does not even
                        have concepts and thoughts. His or her actions and speech arise
                        spontaneously out of pure wisdom, not through relying on
                        imagination, fabrication, concepts or conventions. His state can
                        never be conceived through the conceptual intellect.&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Practice&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;I think the topic of Practice is dealt with more in-depth in other
                        sections of the e-book, therefore I am going to skim through this
                        portion here.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;There are many kinds of practices one can engage in in order to
                        give rise to realization. There are neo-Advaita teachers who teach
                        that "no practice is necessary, no realization is needed", I say
                        bullshit to that. As long as ignorance, false view of reality is in
                        effect, we are going to experience suffering, afflictive emotions,
                        sense of self, self-contraction and all that. Even though there
                        never was truly a self and all these are a result of pure delusion,
                        nonetheless, unless we wake up, we can never be liberated from
                        suffering. There are "pure now-ists" that say, all thoughts of
                        awakening are a dream, your true self is fully evident Here and
                        Now. Well that's ok as a pointer - but to take it as a suggestion
                        that no practice or no realization is necessary? Bullshit again,
                        and even though your true nature is fully evident in the present,
                        unless you realize it, it is as useless as a diamond hidden under a
                        beggar’s pillow unnoticed - the beggar is still going to be poor,
                        perhaps for his entire life, which is tragic to say the least. Then
                        there are some of those teachers who think that "there is no
                        practice guaranteed to lead to realization". Well in a sense yes, I
                        cannot guarantee if you will realize your true nature today,
                        tomorrow, one year, or ten years. Nobody can. If some teacher
                        guarantees you that you will certainly attain awakening if you
                        follow him for two years, he's outright lying and probably a fraud
                        trying to buy followers through false promises. This is not to say
                        that awakening within two years is impossible or even farfetched
                        (far from it as I myself took less than two years of self-inquiry
                        to attain Self-Realization) - but there simply cannot be guarantees
                        like this. There is no fixed or guaranteed timeframe for awakening
                        like there are fixed timeframe for graduation from a
                        university.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;But what I can say is that whatever I practiced, I am confident if
                        done sincerely with right understanding, will surely lead to
                        awakening. You simply cannot apply any formulas like 'today you
                        study this, tomorrow you study that, the following day you'll get
                        your certificate' to awakening. But those teachers who didn't offer
                        a method simply aren't offering people any solution at all - as if
                        their own awakening happened by chance. (They may say that practice
                        and meditation is as useful/useless as walking down the beach since
                        awakening can happen in both instances) In that case their
                        awakening is completely useless and not beneficial to anyone else,
                        and it is a waste of time trying to understand what they say since
                        they don't offer you a solution or method or way where you too can
                        wake up. Well, perhaps you might say, their 'method' is simply to
                        keep repeating the same things over and over again and then someday
                        perhaps, you will finally get it. Well, good luck with that,
                        because it is my experience that merely listening is insufficient -
                        a form of contemplation, investigation, is what is necessary (from
                        my experience) to effectively result in true realization. You may
                        listen to the same doctrine over and over again, and totally get it
                        intellectually and score 100/100 on a 'non-duality exam' (like I
                        did way before I had any real realizations), but no transformation
                        can happen unless you truly see it for yourself, and that is by
                        investigating and contemplating on them yourself in your own
                        experience.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;The reason some of those teachers utter bullshit that puts down
                        practice and realization is because of their lack of clarity. They
                        don't know how to help you awaken - but I know how to. Sorry if
                        this sounds kind of arrogant, but I assure you it is not, it is
                        just honesty in stating some plain facts for those sensible enough
                        to see it. As a matter of fact, there are many teachers out there
                        who also offer valid methods and ways and practices that can
                        effectively lead to realization. I am far from the only one that
                        talk about practice (lots of teachers and practitioners talk about
                        it - especially in Buddhism, and even traditional Advaita) - I am
                        only explaining one way, a way that worked for me.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;When I talk about practice, I often mention that practice has two
                        types: direct path, and gradual path. Of course I don't mean there
                        are only two types of practices in the world, in reality there are
                        countless kinds of practices (though they do still fall under the
                        category of either direct or gradual) from practitioners following
                        countless lineages and teachers and traditions (in Buddhism there
                        is this saying that there are 84000 Dharma Doors to awakening,
                        84000 being merely a metaphorical number signifying countless,
                        Dharma Doors can mean practices and gateways to realization), most
                        of which I am not familiar of. I say: more power to them, and go
                        for whatever works. If that practice works for you, or resonates
                        with you, go for it. I am not selling you something and saying that
                        you MUST follow the method I offer (remember: I am not a guru, just
                        someone offering his two cents based on personal experience), or
                        that somehow only this method is going to work, or that this method
                        is THE TRUE AND ONLY way. It is not. It is just one of the many
                        ways... but one that has worked very effectively for me and many
                        others. To me my way is the best way, but this is entirely
                        subjective - to someone else whose other ways worked for them,
                        their way is the best way, and so on. To make a 'one for all'
                        statement is to become biased since it does not allow for
                        alternatives.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;So what exactly is direct path? What is gradual path?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Direct path does not mean if you take up this practice, you will
                        attain awakening today or tomorrow (it took me 1 year 10 months of
                        self-inquiry to realize I AM and a couple of months more to realize
                        the further stages of insights, which nonetheless I don't consider
                        too long, and I consider the time I took to realize these stuff as
                        not so surprising given the directness and effectiveness of the
                        direct path contemplation). It is direct, because the practice
                        focus on a form of very direct contemplation on the nature of self
                        and reality that results in a direct realization of the nature of
                        reality. It does not focus on cultivating experiences (such as
                        merely experiencing awareness, presence, space-like awareness, or
                        any other aspects of experience that becomes natural and implicit
                        after realization). Rather, it goes right to the core of things,
                        very quickly resulting in a direct realization of our true
                        nature.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;As an analogy I consider self-inquiry (Who am I? that leads to I AM
                        realization), Zen koans (but I'm not a Zen master so can't offer
                        more insights on that), contemplation on non-dual (where does
                        awareness end and manifestation begin, where is the border between
                        awareness and manifestation, etc), contemplation on anatta like
                        Bahiya Sutta (in seeing always just the seen) or Thusness's two
                        stanzas of anatta, contemplating on where thought arise from, where
                        thought abides and where thought goes to (effective for shunyata
                        insight), all these are forms of direct path contemplation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;As for gradual practice: for example, practicing 'Awareness
                        Watching Awareness', turning the light of awareness upon itself and
                        so on is a gradual method that focus on the experience of I AM but
                        eventually can lead to realization after the experience has matured
                        and stabilized. Even stuff like Kundalini can result in I AM
                        experiences of cosmic consciousness, and that too is a gradual path
                        practice (though one I am not familiar with).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Vipassana practice and mindfulness practice (experiencing the
                        minutest details of the senses as clear as can be) as Thusness and
                        I understand it can result in Anatta realization in a more gradual
                        manner.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;But I should say, when I advice people on how to move from non-dual
                        to anatta, I always advice both direct path contemplation and also
                        the practice of vipassana and mindfulness. So it is not always an
                        'either/or' case. In a way both can support each other. Without a
                        clear sense of non-dual luminosity, it is also hard for a real
                        effective contemplation on Bahiya Sutta. Without any prior
                        experience of non-conceptual Pure Presence, it is also not easy for
                        self-inquiry to be so effective as one will be looking into
                        conceptual thoughts for answers rather than looking at the reality
                        of their non-conceptual Presence. For example Ch'an Master Hsu Yun
                        focus primarily on self-inquiry, but also talks in one instance
                        about 'turning hearing inwards to perceive one's self-nature',
                        which is basically the practice of 'Awareness Watching Awareness'
                        that Michael Langford talks about. The main focus however, if you
                        want to practice direct path, is to focus on inquiring 'Who am
                        I?'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;My practice and the practice I advice is going to differ according
                        to your aims, and where you are in your practice. By that I mean
                        for example, when I had no inkling about what my real nature is, I
                        took up the practice of self-inquiry to realize the I AM. But after
                        the I AM, you should focus on the four aspects of I AM. To move
                        into non-dual, the practice is not self-inquiry any more. You can
                        put self-inquiry aside. Instead you should focus on the four
                        aspects, in my case with impersonality first, then later emphasis
                        shifted to the aspect of intensity of luminosity (practice shifts
                        from experiencing luminosity as the background Source to
                        experiencing luminosity as the foreground sensate world and
                        aggregates - sights, sounds, bodily sensations and so on), plus
                        with a particular form of contemplation that challenges the view of
                        boundaries, subject and object, inside and outside. After arising
                        insight into non-dual, you should then investigate into anatta like
                        in Bahiya Sutta (in seeing just the seen). After anatta you should
                        investigate on the 'disjoint, unsupported', as well as contemplate
                        on Shunyata. So again these kind of practices and contemplations
                        differ according to the phase of practice you're at. You should
                        shift your practice as you progress - otherwise if after
                        Self-Realization you get stuck on trying to abide in the I AM 24/7,
                        you cannot progress into further stages of freedom and
                        effortlessness that require deeper realizations. Some people get
                        stuck in I AM for their whole lives not knowing there is anything
                        further in spirituality. So do not stagnate for too long. Know the
                        maps, know where you are and know how to practice accordingly, and
                        your path will be faster and you will attain liberation more
                        quickly. But if you have not gotten into any of these stuff, it's
                        best to begin and focus on self-inquiry with the aim of
                        Self-Realization. More practical advice on this subject can be
                        found in the Conversations on Self-Inquiry section of the
                        ebook.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Apart from these direct path contemplations, daily practice of
                        meditation (both in sitting and daily lives) is helpful, if not for
                        gaining enough mental stability and calmness for true insights to
                        arise, but also to develop the quality of tranquillity and deep
                        samadhi (which will not easily arise without disciplined daily
                        sittings, regardless of whether you have awakened to your true
                        nature or not). In tranquillity, you learn how to drop your
                        attachment to your body and mind, to all thoughts. This leads to
                        tranquilizing of all mental and bodily agitations so that you can
                        enter into a state of meditative absorption which can be very
                        blissful. In meditation, you learn to let go of everything - mind,
                        body, life, teachings, concepts, worries, concerns, agitations,
                        basically Everything. During those days when I practiced
                        Self-Inquiry, Thusness taught me to dedicate sessions everyday
                        apart from self-inquiry, to the practice of Dropping, which is the
                        tranquillity practice I talked about. Of course we should practice
                        letting go in everyday lives as well, but dedicating fixed periods
                        for sitting meditation is also important. In fact, the whole
                        purpose of Buddha's teachings is to teach us how to let go - of
                        everything, relinquishing all clinging and craving. To be able to
                        do this, there must be insight and tranquillity. As the Buddha
                        said, both insights and tranquillity in tandem is what allows
                        complete liberation from afflictions to take place - both are
                        necessary, both are required. But I do not focus too much about
                        meditation in this book (not that it is not important - far from
                        it), because I wish to focus more on the insight front and leave
                        the details of meditation for other books which have elucidated on
                        those topics far better than I. As an intro, you should read Dakpo
                        Tashi Namgyal's "Clarifying the Natural State" and his more
                        detailed and technical "Mahamudra: The Moonlight" along with
                        Thrangu Rinpoche's commentaries on these texts in books "Crystal
                        Clear" and "Essentials of Mahamudra". All these books are full of
                        deep meditative insights and experiences from clearly awakened
                        masters.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;In Buddhism, we say that a person who wishes to attain awakening
                        and liberation should master three fronts: morality, samadhi, and
                        insight/wisdom. This e-book focuses on the insight/wisdom front,
                        but by no means implying that morality and samadhi are unimportant.
                        However, many other books have dealt with these topics to a much
                        greater degree than I, and I do not have something better to offer
                        than them in this regards. But basically, if you have truthfulness,
                        harmlessness and generosity in your life, this is going to be of
                        beneficial help to your pursuits in samadhi and wisdom, because a
                        mind attached to lying, harming, and selfishness is going to cause
                        afflictive hindrances (hatred, guilt, greed, and other mental
                        disturbances or hindrances) preventing true samadhi and insight
                        from arising. The cultivation of virtue itself can also cause a
                        wholesome joyous mind, and a joyous mind or a mind imbued with good
                        mental qualities like loving-kindness, compassion, joy and
                        equanimity is conducive to the cultivation of concentration and
                        insight. The cultivation of virtues also result in merits, which
                        are an important requisite for awakening, a topic I shall not
                        elaborate here but is already explained in other forum threads such
                        as &lt;a href="http://sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/409161?page=1#posts-9963001" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/409161?page=1#posts-9963001&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Result/Fruition&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;You may be wondering, what is all these fuss about? Why should I
                        bother with these stuff? Why get awakened? What is the results out
                        of this? Is there any practical transformations in life?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;There are many "awakened persons" who say there are no perceivable
                        differences apart from perhaps having a sense of resolving these
                        stuff, the end of seeking, the end of false notions about self,
                        maybe more clarity in life.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;But to me, in my experience, when you have sufficiently deep
                        insight and experience, a far more profound and life-changing
                        transformation takes place.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;As spoken in the other chapter in the e-book on maps of awakening,
                        speaking from experience, I can report a gradual emotional
                        transformation or attenuation after the initial insight into
                        anatta. I shall not repeat the details here but summarize
                        them.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Here's what I know can be attained through deep awakening (at this
                        moment these are the ones more apparent to me but as time
                        progresses there could be more):&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;- a permanent freedom from all delusions of pertaining to the
                        view of an existing self or object&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;- freedom from any sense of self, separation, alienation from the
                        world, self-contraction&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;- freedom from attachment to a sense of a body-mind, drop off
                        body-mind - no more inside and outside or any kind of boundaries
                        and weight&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;- freedom from craving, anger, fears, sorrow, attachments, or any
                        afflictive emotions&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;- pure bliss and wonder and delight in the intimate and intense
                        aliveness of every moment's experience due to effortless and
                        perpetual NDNCDIMOP: non-dual, non-conceptual, direct, immediate
                        mode of perception of reality&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;- deep sense of wakefulness, clarity and aliveness&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;- sleep need reduced by up to half, wakefulness and alertness
                        increased very much&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;- thought activity decreases, discursive thoughts lessens
                        tremendously, replaced by NDNCDIMOP&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;- thoughts that do arise self-releases without trace&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;According to Buddha, when you achieve full awakening in the
                        Hinayana level (the attainment of personal liberation, Arhantship),
                        it also confer things like 'ending the cycle of rebirth' in the
                        literal sense of not having to be reborn again and again in this
                        world of suffering - but then I shall not dwell into this,
                        understanding that not all readers may accept such a doctrine (I do
                        - and past lives are something that can be recalled in meditation
                        so to me it is more than just a theory or a belief, furthermore
                        scientific research like those by Dr. Ian Stevensons backs
                        rebirth). If you are into Mahayana like I do, my aim is to attain
                        full Buddhahood for the sake of benefitting mass sentient beings
                        which is not merely personal liberation - Buddhahood confers things
                        like great compassion, mastery of skillful means in teaching,
                        omniscience, mastery of supernatural powers and the ten virtues
                        (paramis) and so on. I am not a Buddha - just learning and
                        practicing to be one.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Anyhow, the effects of awakening I have currently observed are
                        the natural result of having discovered a true and accurate way of
                        perceiving things, freed from the view and sense of self and
                        objects, resulting in just the NDNCDIMOP of the sensate world as it
                        is. It should be understood that you should not focus on removing
                        emotions head on, or removing thoughts head on, or removing sense
                        of self head on. Why? If you do not go for the roots, but try to
                        cut off the branches, then you leave the root intact. Your delusion
                        is intact even if you managed to 'get rid of the sense of self'
                        (just like your delusion is intact even if you managed to distant
                        yourself from the illusory snake that actually is a rope). But once
                        you cut off the root ignorance, the branches are dealt with, or
                        they naturally fall away easily. So when realization occurs, you
                        honour realization first, understanding that there is no liberation
                        from afflictions without first liberation from ignorance via true
                        knowledge and vision of things as they are. You don't sit in
                        meditation all day trying to cultivate 'thoughtlessness'. You don't
                        try sitting in meditation all day to 'get rid of the self' or 'get
                        rid of emotions'. These are naturally dealt with in the maturation
                        of true insight and experience. They are a natural result of
                        clarity.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Also, if self-view and sense of self is not relinquished, people
                        generally treat 'letting go' as a form of dissociative practice.
                        'I' or the 'witnessing awareness' dissociate from 'my feelings', as
                        if there are two things that can separate from each other. This
                        simply strengthens the delusion of self, leading to more clinging,
                        not liberation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;This is why Thusness warned a long time ago: "...When one is unable
                        to see the truth of our nature, all letting go is nothing more than
                        another form of holding in disguise. Therefore without the
                        'insight', there is no releasing.... it is a gradual process of
                        deeper seeing. When it is seen, the letting go is natural. You
                        cannot force yourself into giving up the self... purification to me
                        is always these insights... non-dual and emptiness
                        nature...."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Even if you are able to achieve a state of letting go to a high
                        degree and you enter into samadhi, this is merely a temporary state
                        where afflictions are temporarily in abeyance or suppressed. This
                        is ok - but keep in mind they are merely suppressed, not uprooted.
                        Only wisdom in tandem with samadhi can uproot afflictions
                        permanently.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;One last thing: Buddha teach practice (such as the four foundations
                        of mindfulness, seven factors of awakening, and so on) from his
                        awakened experience, sort of like working backwards for sentient
                        beings, translating his experience into practices. In other words,
                        the experience of pure alertness, clarity, equanimity, and so on...
                        are qualities natural in one's experience after realization, but
                        before realization they are difficult to be experienced
                        effortlessly (though that doesn't mean we shouldn't practice to
                        experience them).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;It should be known that there is a difference between practice
                        after realization and the practice before realization. After
                        realization, practice is effortless, without any attempt to modify
                        experience - just resting in the natural equipoise on reality. Such
                        can also be spoken of as 'non-meditation' since it is not really
                        effortful practice. &lt;b&gt;It should be understood however that only an awakened person can experience 'non-meditation', an unawakened person attempting to do 'non-meditation' will only fall under the power of their own conditioning. For example they may mistake lazing around and day-dreaming with 'non-meditation', which is a tragedy. The conditioning here means falling into the magical spell of duality, the stories about 'me' and 'the world', the stories of 'I', 'me', and 'mine'. &lt;/b&gt;An awakened person who realizes the nature of reality is able to overcome his view of inherent and duality, because there is no deluded views about 'I', no 'mine', and no 'other' (objects), the awakened person does not give rise to delusion and attachment (therefore requires no effort or antidote) and is naturally and effortlessly authenticated by the unity of luminosity and emptiness (Buddha-nature) in the midst of their life, not just in sitting meditation. For such a practitioner, all thoughts and perceptions are in a state of self-releasing or self-liberation, no effortful practice or antidote is necessary because what self-releases does not cause harm or delusion. Due to the view of emptiness naturally being authenticated in daily life, a person does not grasp on 'I', 'me', 'mine' and 'things', and due to non-grasping, there is also no need to make special effort to 'let go' - there is no problems (attachment due to inherent view) that need to be remedied.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;As an analogy: a person suffering hallucination may imagine there to be a beautiful paradise in front of him, so he chases after the mirage experiencing craving, attachment, and suffering. Because of his sickness, the person needs to be treated with an antidote - some kind of medication to prevent the outbursts of mania. Such is the dilemma of sentient beings. Seeing things as real and inherent, we grasp and crave after them, but an awakened person knows better - there is no person, nor object that is real - everything is illusory. Having no delusions about it, such a person does not give rise to grasping and naturally no remedy is needed. Such an awakened being is also not delusioned about there being a 'special state' that he therefore craves after (after all, everything is empty) - he is not seeking after some nice transcendental experience, therefore no effort is required, but is simply liberated on the spot. The need for effort and meditation only arise when one feels some suffering, deviation, or distraction that requires 'antidote', but for one who effortlessly rests in the equipoise on reality, does not require antidote, meditation and effort. But until then, meditate hard, practice hard to awaken (and it doesn't mean after awakening you don't need to sit, but it becomes effortless without agenda or attempt to modify our experience - even the Buddha does regular sitting meditation just because it is healthy and promotes well-being). Do not underestimate the power of our karmic conditioning - it affects our every moment experience until awakening.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Also, before realization, it is truly difficult to experience things
                        like 'the luminosity of the textures and forms of manifestation',
                        'non-dual, non-conceptual, direct, immediate mode of perception'
                        and things like that. As Thusness said to me before, to stress on
                        these things to people is to cause them more unnecessary
                        frustrations. They simply cannot see it, even though we (after
                        realization) see it all the time - we can't even unsee it. So the
                        practical thing is not to emphasize these things to them again and
                        again, but advice them to set aside time every day to meditate,
                        practice mindfulness, practice contemplation. Eventually when
                        realization arises, these qualities become effortless. But you
                        can't tell them to experience mindfulness 24/7 - that is just not
                        possible. It would be very good already if they can experience pure
                        clarity in their relatively brief period of sitting meditation, let
                        alone for the entire day.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;But after Anatta, it seems that this brilliant non-dual luminosity
                        is very effortless - I don't need to practice anything to be in
                        NDNCDIMOP or the pure consciousness experience. I don't need to
                        practice 30 minutes of mindfulness or meditation to reach a state
                        of pure consciousness or NDNCDIMOP. Every ordinary and mundane
                        experience even in daily life and non-meditation setting is already
                        implicitly so. Before awakening, such experiences seem hard to
                        attain, and are rare and intermittent, requiring much effort in
                        practicing mindfulness and meditation, but after awakening it
                        becomes realized and experienced as the natural state, experienced
                        in real-time in everyday living.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;Like Simpo said, "IMO, before the insight of no-self, it is quite
                        hard to not get caught at the content level. This is because,
                        before the non-dual, non-conceptual experience/insight, one does
                        not know how 'not getting caught' in the content is like."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span style="font-size: small;"&gt;That is why insight is important. But don't worry if you don't
                        experience all those qualities before awakening - it is very
                        difficult to, but it becomes natural after insight, so just focus
                        on insight.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
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༄༅།  །གནད་ཀྱི་གཟེར་དྲུག། &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Six Points. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
མི་མནོ་  &lt;br /&gt;
Don't anticipate.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
མི་བསམ་ &lt;br /&gt;
Don't plan. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
མི་སེམས་ &lt;br /&gt;
Don't think. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
མི་དཔྱོད་ &lt;br /&gt;
mi dpyod    &lt;br /&gt;
Don't analyze. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
མི་སྒོམ་ &lt;br /&gt;
mi sgom &lt;br /&gt;
Don't cultivate. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
རང་སར་བཞག་ &lt;br /&gt;
Stay where you are.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;A monk asked Tozan, “When cold and heat come, how can we
                        avoid them?”&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Tozan said, “Why don’t you go to the place where there
                        is no cold or heat?”&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;The monk said, “What is the place where there is no cold
                        or heat?”&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;Tozan said, “When it’s cold, the cold kills you; when
                        it’s hot, the heat kills you.”&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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This is not advice to “accept” your situation, as some
                        commentators have suggested, but a direct expression of authentic
                        practice and enlightenment. Master Tozan is not saying, “When cold,
                        shiver; when hot, sweat,” nor is he saying, “When cold, put on a
                        sweater; when hot, use a fan.” In the state of authentic practice
                        and enlightenment, the cold kills you, and there is only cold in
                        the whole universe. The heat kills you, and there is only heat in
                        the whole universe. The fragrance of incense kills you, and there
                        is only the fragrance of incense in the whole universe. The sound
                        of the bell kills you, and there is only “boooong” in the whole
                        universe…&lt;br /&gt;
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~&lt;i&gt;The Flatbed Sutra of Louie Wing, Ted Biringer&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Dharma Assembly: Too Intimate to be Personal&lt;/h1&gt;
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Dharma Talk Presented by Ven. Jinmyo Renge osho&lt;/h4&gt;
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Dainen-ji, June 11, 2011&lt;/h5&gt;
Intimacy is simply being open to the intimacy of experiencing
                        which is already present and always available. This is what Zen
                        practice actually is: opening to this openness, being a
                        bodhisattva.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Intimacy is the recognition that everything within your life is
                        alive AS your life. Every moment of experiencing, regardless of how
                        you feel about it, regardless of what you think of it, is this
                        intimacy, and everything you experience points to this intimacy
                        whether you recognize it or not. Zen practice is seeing how we turn
                        away from this intimacy and releasing this contraction.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On your way into the monastery this morning, you walked through
                        the Sanmon, the Mountain Gate, and up the stone path. On either
                        side of the stones of the path, an array of colours met your eyes
                        as the many different greens of ferns and moss, the small flowering
                        plants and ground cover. &amp;nbsp;The air in the monastery grounds,
                        cooled by the water in the ponds, is cooler than the air down the
                        street. Did you feel how it was soft on your skin? And as you
                        walked on the path, step after step, you were being observed by
                        countless birds from overhead branches or from inside the thick
                        hedge, calling from all directions. Perhaps you noticed some of
                        these details. Perhaps you were so caught up in just ‘getting into
                        the building on time’ that you missed most of this.Perhaps you were
                        even thinking about what you would do after you left or what was
                        happening before you came or even last week or something that has
                        never happened and never will. &amp;nbsp;In any case, whether you were
                        allowing attention to open to those details or not, there was
                        intimacy with your life. The question is, how intimate were you
                        with your life? How responsive were you? If your attention was
                        folded down into contraction, you will have noticed very little
                        about that walk up the pathway. So you see, this intimacy we are
                        speaking of is not something you are ever denied, it is something
                        you can choose to open to.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You don’t have to wait for experiencing to be arranged in a
                        certain way or for you to be interested in how experiencing is to
                        open to this intimacy. Even when you are not feeling well, when
                        you’re tired or grumpy, you can still be intimate with
                        experiencing. You can have a pounding headache and still open
                        attention to the context in which you and the pounding of your head
                        are taking place because you are aware of the headache. The
                        question is - what is it that is aware? How is it that you are
                        aware of anything at all? If you have a headache, trying to
                        manipulate it with your practice isn’t going to cure it. Take an
                        aspirin if you want to change it. But while it’s going on, practise
                        with it. Practice isn’t about manipulating experiencing so that you
                        can limit and contain it and only experience what you want to
                        experience. You can’t control reality. You can influence it, but if
                        your attention is contracted, you will inevitably influence it in
                        ways that will deepen contraction.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Wanting to manipulate experience by turning practice into a
                        strategy or a formula is a misunderstanding that beginning students
                        in particular fall into. This strategizing comes up while sitting
                        zazen, but also when you’re not sitting. It comes up concerning
                        work issues such as dissatisfaction with a job or a career, or a
                        living situation, but also with more personal issues such as
                        relationships. This is why you spend so much of your sitting time
                        pondering these issues - you think that if you just spend enough
                        time thinking about them, you’ll reach some state of perfect mental
                        clarity and you’ll know exactly what to do; you’ll have the formula
                        for it, the cure. And of course, the fact that all of this is only
                        going on inside your head and reality is not inside your head is
                        something that you will tend to overlook when you’re really caught
                        up in it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Because you spend so much time thinking about strategies and
                        designing formulas for yourselves, topics of this sort will also
                        come up from time to time in practice interviews and daisan. It’s
                        not that this is a problem - far from it, students are welcome to
                        bring up any topic they wish to discuss in interviews and daisan.
                        But I think it’s important to understand how limiting this can
                        be.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you ask a practice advisor to tell you how you should respond
                        to your boss or your significant other when they say or do this or
                        that, yes, the practice advisor could probably put together a
                        response that would be very clever. But the problem is that if they
                        were to do that, all they would be giving you is one of many
                        possible solutions to this particular problem and it’s not YOUR
                        solution. You won’t have learned anything from that. Why? Because
                        what you’ve asked for is a formula that will only work in a very
                        specific set of conditions. The next time an issue comes up, that
                        formula won’t work because the circumstances will be different. And
                        there’s no guarantee that it will work anyway, because the practice
                        advisor or Dharma Teacher is not IN that situation and does not
                        know all of the details of it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What we can do, however, is talk about the habitual patterns
                        that people tend to fall into so that they can recognize them and
                        avoid certain pitfalls.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Everyone wants intimacy but there are many things people call
                        ‘intimacy’ and most are not &amp;nbsp;intimate at all. Many are what
                        you settle for when you are not really being intimate with your
                        life - the touchy-feelly kind of intimacy people try to share that
                        comes and goes and goes and is gone more often than it is present.
                        There are many patterns people engage in around this, so I will
                        bring up a few of them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Relationships aren’t all they’re made out to be. As Anzan roshi
                        has often pointed out, ninety-five percent of the time you’re
                        trying not to get in trouble with the other person. Another five
                        percent can be nice or kind of nice, or just slightly better than
                        not being in trouble. And for the last five percent, which is
                        spread throughout, you’re in trouble. This is not intimacy, it’s
                        the result of following habitual patterns that involve a lot of
                        ‘leaning’. &amp;nbsp;People who are in intimate relationships do tend
                        to lean on each other a great deal and I don’t mean the kind of
                        leaning one does with an injured hip. No, the other kind of leaning
                        - wanting someone to prop you up, jolly you out of your states or
                        distract you from them. When people are sad or angry or confused,
                        there is the expectation that the other person will be available to
                        hear their stories, sympathize with them and try to make them feel
                        better and this can become more than a full-time job, it can become
                        a life-long job. Even if there is something really serious going
                        on, your first obligation as concerns your states, is to work with
                        them yourself. Looking to another person to do this for you is
                        sheer laziness. When both parties do this to excess, their time
                        together is spent primarily looking at each other, continuously
                        trying to gauge the kind of states that are present, day after day
                        after day.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If I were to use a metaphor for good and bad relationships, it
                        would be this: There are two people walking down the street
                        together and as they walk, they are looking at the sky, the ground,
                        the trees, the buildings and perhaps commenting on those. Or they
                        might talk to one another about possibilities that may unfold for
                        them or they may just walk together in silence. But they are
                        attentive to the details of the walking, of their surroundings, and
                        that of course includes each other, but without an enormous sense
                        of problem. A bad relationship is like two people walking down the
                        street but they are seeing nothing but each other. They watch each
                        other, continually worrying about what the other is thinking, what
                        facial expressions might mean, wondering what is going on in the
                        other person’s mind, wondering about their relationship, wondering
                        “do you love me?” which is stifling and claustrophobic.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Relationships with other people, be it with a significant other
                        or family members or friends, provide us with countless
                        opportunities to notice how the three klesas determine for us the
                        criteria by which someone is worthwhile or not. If your attention
                        is bound up by habitual patterns of contraction, then these will
                        dictate how you view other people. Again, first and foremost, it is
                        your responsibility to work with your own states and habitual
                        patterns. Because these are so habitual and you feel so justified
                        in propagating them, your attention becomes consumed by them and it
                        is very difficult to for you to recognize that they are even
                        present unless you make the effort to open attention. And I mean as
                        much of the time as is possible. Any state you experience has one
                        agenda and that is to continue itself. Practice is about
                        interrupting states. It’s not convenient and it is never habitual.
                        It requires an effort to open to reality in the midst of your life.
                        But there is time to do this and there is space in your life to
                        practice. If you can find the time to spend as much time as you do
                        lost in habitual thoughts and feelings, you can find the time to
                        practice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The intimacy people wish to find in their relationships does not
                        begin as romantic engagement. It doesn’t start with becoming
                        personal with another person. Real intimacy is intimacy with your
                        whole life and it is only to the extent that you can be intimate
                        with your own life that you can be intimate with the life of
                        another. I think this is really quite obvious. If your attention is
                        so folded down that you are spending a good portion of your time
                        lost in storylines and feelingtones and strategies, you make
                        yourself unavailable and unresponsive to reality. Other people are
                        not your thoughts and feelings about them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If you are in a relationship that was formed on a weak
                        foundation and you practice, it may fall apart. And that won’t be
                        because practising will make you cold or indifferent. It will be
                        because you will begin to understand what intimacy really is. If
                        you are in a relationship that was built on a strong foundation and
                        practise it will become even stronger, even more intimate. The
                        reason for this is that intimacy is too intimate to be personal.
                        The intimacy of the bodhisattva, of one who is opening to openness
                        is not just intimacy with another person, it is intimacy with the
                        whole of one’s experiencing. It includes other people but is not
                        dependent on other people. And this intimacy is something you can
                        practise right now.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
When you are sitting and choose to open past your storylines to
                        feel the actual contact of thumb against thumb, you are practising
                        intimacy. A step in kinhin is intimacy with the sensations of the
                        foot, the texture of the floor beneath the foot and the coolness of
                        the air that passes beneath the foot as it is lifted to take the
                        next step. And further, opening attention to the whole bodymind,
                        balanced and at ease, intimate with the sensations of the warmth
                        and weight of the hands held in shashu resting against the
                        diaphragm, feeling the breath come and go; moving through the space
                        of the room; opening to the seeing as you move through the space
                        and the space moves past you and intimate with the space of
                        experiencing in which all of this is occurring, When you pay
                        attention to the sensations of the bodymind, the sounds you are
                        hearing and the colours and forms you are seeing, you are opening
                        past self-absorption - this same self-absorption that limits and
                        constricts the relationships you have with other people. This
                        intimate practice of zazen shows you how your attention abstracts
                        and recoils from present experiencing so that you can release
                        contraction and become intimate with the life that lives as all
                        lives, as your life.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There is much more to look into concerning these topics and we
                        shall continue to do so in the next Dharma Talk.&lt;/div&gt;
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Some excerpts of postings about Bahiya Sutta by AlexWeith (who is a lay Soto Zen priest who recently realized anatta) from &lt;a href="http://kennethfolkdharma.wetpaint.com/thread/4765011/A+Zen+exploration+of+the+Bahiya+Sutta?offset=0&amp;amp;maxResults=20"&gt;http://kennethfolkdharma.wetpaint.com/thread/4765011/A+Zen+exploration+of+the+Bahiya+Sutta?offset=0&amp;amp;maxResults=20&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40928240"&gt;"In the seen, there is only the seen, in the heard, there is only the heard, in the sensed, there is only the sensed,&lt;br /&gt;in the cognized, there is only the cognized. Thus you should see that indeed there is no thing here;&lt;br /&gt;this, Bahiya, is how you should train yourself. Since, Bahiya, there is for you&lt;br /&gt;in the seen, only the seen, in the heard, only the heard, in the sensed, only the sensed,&lt;br /&gt;in the cognized, only the cognized, and you see that there is no thing here,&lt;br /&gt;you will therefore see that indeed there is no thing there. As you see that there is no thing there,&lt;br /&gt;you will see that you are therefore located neither in the world of this,&lt;br /&gt;nor in the world of that, nor in any place betwixt the two.&lt;br /&gt;This alone is the end of suffering.” (Ud. 1.10)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;.............&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40941650"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40928240"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;There is no end to 
the process of awakening, but in Zen Buddhism there are steps and 
strategies. These introductory posts will explain my position, what I 
discovered so far, and how it unfolds.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Having got hold of the ox,
 one has realized the One Mind. In Zen literature this One Mind has 
often been compared to a bright mirror that reflects phenomena and yet 
remains untouched by appearances. As discussed with one of Sheng-yen's 
first Western students, this One Mind is still an illusion. One is not 
anymore identified to the self-center, ego and personality, yet one (the
 man) is still holding to pure non-dual awareness (the ox). Having tamed
 the ox, the ox-herder must let go of the ox (ox forgotten) and then 
forget himself and the ox (ox and man forgotten). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The problem is
 that we still maintain a subtle duality between what we know ourself to
 be, a pure non-dual awareness that is not a thing, and our daily 
existence often marked by self-contractions. Hoping to get more and more
 identified with pure non-dual awareness, we may train concentration, 
try to hold on to the event of awakening reifying an experience, or 
rationalize the whole thing to conclude that self-contraction is not a 
problem and that suffering is not suffering because our true nature is 
ultimately beyond suffering. This explains why I got stuck in what Zen 
calls "stagnating waters" for about a year. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is however not 
seen as a problem in other traditions such as Advaita Vedanta where the 
One Mind is identified with the Brahman that contains and manifests the 
three states of waking, dreaming and deep sleep within itself, yet 
remains untouched by its dreamlike manifestation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40941650"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what has been 
puzzling me what the sense of presence, the sense of being and its 
relation with the sense that things around me manifest their presence. 
Over the months I realized that if this beingness seems to be located 
as the center of our being, it is actually the flavor of all things.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Reading
 the blog "Awakening to Reality" that has become my main source of 
inspiration, I realized that this presence felt as the presence of 'what
 is' is the *luminosity* that the Mahamudra teachings are talking about.
 Gradually, feeling my own sense of being has become feeling the 
beingness of all things, leading to a deeper non-dual realization that 
gradually colapsed the sense of a Primoridal Awareness, True Self, or 
Bright Mirror into what is present here and now.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The conclusion 
is that all phenomena are in themself empty and luminous, ungraspable 
and self-aware, ever changing and alive. The conclusion is also that 
there is nothing beyond that; no permanent pure potential beyond 
phenomena, no true self that would be the source and substance of 
phenomena and above all no primordial awareness or Consciousness that 
would contain the five aggregates.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The whole universe is 
contained and expressed in a the "cypress tree in the court", simply 
because in the absence of a super Self in the background, the cypress 
tree brightly present in this very moment is the absolute reality made 
manifest in its suchness (tathata). Most Zen koans point to this 
realization, together with Hui-neng poem "Fundamentally no wisdom-tree 
exists, Nor the stand of a mirror bright. Since all is empty from the 
beginning, Where can the dust alight". &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Surprizingly this 
deconstruction leads to a deeper level of non-duality. Huang-po's "One 
Mind' is starting to become Mazu's "No Mind, no Buddha".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40941808"&gt;Practically speaking this means:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1).
 becoming aware of one's sense of existence and focusing on it until it 
starts to feel as if the only reality is this pure presence-awareness 
containing everything;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2). shifting this sense of 
being-existence-presence-awareness to apprehend the beingness of all 
things, until everything starts to feel bright, luminous, present and 
alive. At this stage, there is no more "self" and "other", nor is there 
any subtle duality between primordial awareness and phenomena arising 
and passing away within it. There is only "seeing seeing the seen" 
without a seer, nor solid material objects behind the seen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This 
does not mean that there is absolutely no Primordial Awareness, Self or 
One Mind. This would be an extreme position rejected by the Buddha. This
 explains why the Buddha remained silent when asked about the existence 
of a Self. Answering "Yes" would mean that there is an eternal abiding 
inherent essence beyond phenomena (eternalism), while answering "No" 
would lead to nihilism, the other extreme view. The Buddha's way is the 
middle way, between these two extremes. There is a self, but this self 
is an conventional concept to describe something that appears to be and 
is experienced as such, but it not an abiding ultimate reality.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There
 is a Mind, but this Mind is empty [of an abiding essence]. This Mind is
 the *non-abiding mind* of the Diamond Sutra. Therefore, *Mind* is *No 
Mind*. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40941650"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;.............&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40942143"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This also means that
 the first step is to disembed from impermanent phenomena until the only
 thing that feels real is this all pervading uncreated all pervading 
awareness that feels like the source and substance of phenomena. Holding
 on to it after this realization can hower become a subtle form of 
grasping diguised as letting go.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The second step is therefore to 
realize that this brightness, awakeness or luminosity is there very 
nature of phenomena and then only does the duality between the True Self
 and the appearences arising and passing within the Self dissolve, 
revealing the suchness of what is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The next step that I found 
very practical is to push the process of deconstruction a step further, 
realizing that all that is experienced is one of the six consciousness. 
In other words, there is neither a super Awareness beyond phenomena, not
 solid material objects, but only six streams of sensory experiences. 
The seen, the heard, the sensed, the tasted, the smelled and the 
cognized (including thoughts, emotions, and subtle thougths like 
absorbtion states, jhanas).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At this point it is not difficult to see how relevent the Bahiya Sutta can become.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;.............&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40942143"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This also means that
 the first step is to disembed from impermanent phenomena until the only
 thing that feels real is this all pervading uncreated all pervading 
awareness that feels like the source and substance of phenomena. Holding
 on to it after this realization can hower become a subtle form of 
grasping diguised as letting go.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The second step is therefore to 
realize that this brightness, awakeness or luminosity is there very 
nature of phenomena and then only does the duality between the True Self
 and the appearences arising and passing within the Self dissolve, 
revealing the suchness of what is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The next step that I found 
very practical is to push the process of deconstruction a step further, 
realizing that all that is experienced is one of the six consciousness. 
In other words, there is neither a super Awareness beyond phenomena, not
 solid material objects, but only six streams of sensory experiences. 
The seen, the heard, the sensed, the tasted, the smelled and the 
cognized (including thoughts, emotions, and subtle thougths like 
absorbtion states, jhanas).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At this point it is not difficult to see how relevent the Bahiya Sutta can become.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;.............&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40942143"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40958971"&gt;@beoman &amp;amp; @giragirasol:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, when we realize that there is no super Awareness beyond consciousnes and become mindful of &lt;br /&gt;consciousness
 as it manifests at the 6 doors of the senses, we also realize that 
everything that we can ever experience is contained within one of these 6
 streams of consciousness, including the 4 other aggregates that are 
known through the agregate of consciousness and the arupa jhanas that 
are in reality very subtle non-conceptual mind-states of the 
cognizing-consciousness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Arriving at this point, we can start to investigate the 5 aggregate as well as the sense of self.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If
 we start with the aggregate of form (the physical body), we realize 
that our direct experience of the body is nothing more than stream of 
images (seeing legs, arms, a nose), the other senses and above all 
sensations. Exploring these sensations we realize that there is an 
impermanent stream of sensations that more of less matches the images of
 the body. However, the stream of seeing-consciousness is always 
distinct from the stream of  sensing-consciousness. One never sees a 
sensation, but an unpleasant sensations can match the sight of a wounder
 arm. These stream are therfore seem as independent, yet totally 
interdependent. A sound, can trigger a thought that can trigger a 
sensations, that can trigger the images of a hand moving. Altogether, 
these 6 impermanent every changing streams of consciousness create the 
illusion of a solid substancial body. The same method applies to the 
other aggregates.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;.............&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40958992"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When it comes to the
 investiation of the sense of self, we must first realize that, even 
after what some have called technical 4th path, and even if we know that
 what we are is not any of the 5 aggregates, we still have a sense of 
self, a sense of existence. The sense "I am" has not been overcome yet.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This issue is discussed in the Khemaka Sutta.&lt;br /&gt;http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.089.than.html&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In
 this text, Ven. Dasaka meets the Arhant Khemaka and tells him that 
"there is nothing I assume to be self or belonging to self, and yet I am
 not an arahant. With regard to these five clinging-aggregates, 'I am' 
has not been overcome, although I don't assume that 'I am this." (...) 
""Friends, it's not that I say 'I am form,' nor do I say 'I am something
 other than form.' It's not that I say, 'I am feeling... perception... 
fabrications... consciousness,' nor do I say, 'I am something other than
 consciousness.' With regard to these five clinging-aggregates, 'I am' 
has not been overcome, although I don't assume that 'I am this.'"&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;The
 Arhat answers saying "friends, even though a noble disciple has 
abandoned the five lower fetters, he still has with regard to the five 
clinging-aggregates a lingering residual 'I am' conceit, an 'I am' 
desire, an 'I am' obsession."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Abendoning the five lower fetters 
means being an Anagami. Here the Arhant says that that even Anagami may 
still have a residual sense of self that he calls, the  'I am' conceit, 
an 'I am' desire, an 'I am' obsession."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40959003"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As to how this sense 'I am' is experienced, the Arhant asks: "then how would he describe it if he were describing it correctly?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And
 the monk replies, "as the scent of the flower: That's how he would 
describe it if he were describing it correctly." he sense of self is 
like the scent of the flower. It is the flavor of being.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In order to get rid of this residual sense of self and become an Arahat, the sage explains:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"As
 he keeps focusing on the arising &amp;amp; passing away of these five 
clinging-aggregates, the lingering residual 'I am' conceit, 'I am' 
desire, 'I am' obsession is fully obliterated.  Just like a cloth, dirty
 &amp;amp; stained: Its owners give it over to a washerman, who scrubs it 
with salt earth or lye or cow-dung and then rinses it in clear water. 
Now even though the cloth is clean &amp;amp; spotless, it still has a 
lingering residual scent of salt earth or lye or cow-dung. The washerman
 gives it to the owners, the owners put it away in a scent-infused 
wicker hamper, and its lingering residual scent of salt earth, lye, or 
cow-dung is fully obliterated".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This means observing the arising 
and passing away of the 5 aggregates until "the lingering residual 'I 
am' conceit, 'I am' desire, 'I am' obsession is fully obliterated".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40958992"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40959038"&gt;Practically 
speaking, the above mentioned method works in the same way. One can 
either split each of the 5 aggregates into 6 streams of consciousness, 
to see how the sense of "a body" (aggregate of form) arises when all 
senses working together create the illusion of substantiality, pretty 
much like the images track and the sounds tracks of a movie that 
together create the illusion of reality. Using the same method we can 
also see how the illusion of a solid body dissolves when we look deeply 
and see that what we had assumed to be a body is nothing more than an 
illusion created by 6 impermanent, separate-yet-interdependent streams 
of consciousness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We can also investigate the sense of self as such.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In
 the seen, only the seen. We first realize that we cannot know the 
objects seen as such, but only the seen (shapes, colors, textures, 
etc.). We also realize that there is no separate entity that sees. There
 is seeing, but no seer. Seeing is seeing. Same with the other streams 
of sense consciousness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then, what I do is to look for a sense of
 self, and see whether it is more assocated to one of these 6 streams of
 consciousness. It is generally associated with a physical sensation 
around the solar plexus or gut, and is therefore related to the stream 
of sensing-consciousness. When this is seen for what it is, the sense of
 self drops. There is nothing beside the spontanious functioning of the 
senses.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here the purpose is not to lock and make permanent a 
special state of consciousness, but only to gain deeper and deeper 
insights into Anatta and Shunyata until we become absolutely unable to 
make anything into "me" or "mine".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40941650"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40941808"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
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&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;.............&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40958992"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40958992"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40959051"&gt;@giragirasol - and yes 
the results experienced during meditation when we stop investigating and
 let go of clinging that what has been seen as an illusion does match 
the traditional description of Rigpa. It first come for a brief moment, 
until it eventually becomes the only game in town. This is no surpize, 
since the Dzogchen teachings are basically about seeing the fruit (of 
mainstream Buddhism) as its ground (view) and the path (practice). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But
 here one should clearly mention that there is absolutely no inherently 
existing "Awareness" that is felt as existing separately from "phenomena
 arising witghin awareness", which would be Advaita Vedanta and maybe 
Kashmir Shaivism, but not Dzogchen. The Dalai Lama was very clear about 
that and insisted on the fact that Dzogchen can lead people astay if 
they lack a clear understanding of no-self, emptiness, co-dependent 
origination, interdependence, etc., recommending the in-depth study of 
Longchenpa with a solid background rooted in Tsongkapa's Lam Rim or 
other similar treaties.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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       &lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40959082"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With respect 
to the Zen 10 ox-herding pictures this above deals with "ox forgotten, 
man remains" (no more super-Awareness, One Mind beyond the 18 dhatus, 6 
senses)  and then "ox and man forgotten" when the lingering "sense I am"
 that used to apprehend the aggregate of consciousnes as the One Mind is
 also extinguished. This is not the only interpretation, but it does 
match Zen master Sheng-yen's commentaries.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40959051"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40959203"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And of course, 
mindfulness of the mind/6 sense doors/citta, being totally one with the 
seen, the heard, etc. is at the heart of Zen practice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ultimately,
 meditation practice is always "allowing everything to be as it is". 
However can only let go of what we see as an illusion. As an exemple 
disembedding from thoughts, sensations and perceptions allows us see 
them as mere reflexions. It then becomes easier to let go of thougths, 
sensations and perceptions. However, the same practice will also 
crystalize the sense of a witness untouched by phenomena that gradually 
evolves into a super non-dual Awareness seen as the source and substance
 of phenomena. Without further investigation, letting go is letting go 
thoughts, sensations and perceptions, but unknowingly also holding on to
 the Witness, Awareness or some other illusory inherent self hanging 
somewhere in the background. It is only when we investigate and look 
deeply into this awareness that we become able to let go of clinging to 
what looked like the Absolute leading to a deeper non-dual realization 
from the Awareness vs reflections-within-awareness duality.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40959051"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40968091"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;@jhsaintonge - hi, 
it's pretty much on topic actually. On May 12, 2011, I was doing the 
laundry after struggling for days on the fundamental koan "if you knew 
that you couldn't do anything to gain elightenment, then what do you 
do?" Suddenly, everything felt dreamlike, everything namely may life, 
the universe, several past lives, everything felt like a dream, 
something that never happened, something illusory arising from a great 
void, a creative nothingness, unborn, uncreated, beyond birth and death,
 beyond time, non existing yet source and substance of all things; me, 
awareness, consciousness was seen as being nothing more than its 
projection that would then get identified with its projected dreamlike 
appearences to create the illusion of a real life in a real world. As a 
result of this event, everything felt perfect, whole and complete for 
weeks. And something did shift permanently.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now what is that? 
Advaita Vedanta Jnanis told me you are That". You are a jnani. Zen 
masters said, "you have seen the ox", the essence of the Mind. Reading 
Christian mystics, it is clear that this event is seeing God as the 
Ground of Being, the unmanifest source of all things. Nothing wrong with
 the experience. It is great, awesome, and enlightening in the sense 
that it opened the an abiding non-dual state that some call technical 
4th path.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But then, iis this the Buddha's awakening? Not so sure.
 Because although this event does validate the teachings of 
Neoplantonism, Advaita Vedanta, Christian mysticsm, there is no real 
insight into "Co-dependent origination" and most as the other things 
that set the Buddha's teachings apart from other great Indian spiritual 
traditions.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40959051"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;.............&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40968115"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There remains a 
duality between "That" and phenomena. "That" feels like an impersonal 
uncreated clean mirror in the background that reflect phenomena, yet 
remains untouched. As a matter of fact that is the Self that Raman 
Maharishi talked about. That is the Arma (or Atta in Pali).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On a 
later stage, we realize that "That" can self-contract or on the contrary
 expend. It is like zooming in an out. In reality, it never changes, but
 gets more or less identified with phenomena. Attending to this pure 
presence-awareness, it naturally grows and overpowers phenomena to the 
point where everything is seen as appearences reflected within it. Yet 
"That" is the Self.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The problem is not the Self, but what we make
 out of it. Grasping at it tends to create a subtle duality, since we 
can become more or less identified with its dreamlike projections. There
 is Awareness vs phenomena arising within awareness. Awarenees is IT. 
Phenomena arising within it are Maya, illusions. We must cease 
identification with, or disembed from illusory (empty, impermanent, 
not-the-self) phenomena. This is precisely what great Advaita Jnanis 
did, like Ramana Maharishi who meditated for years in a cave after his 
awakening.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The problem is that the more we disembed as this 
stage, the more we grasp at this pure non-dual Awareness, Absolute or 
Self and fail to realize what the Buddha realized under the Bodhi Tree.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My
 conviction is that in order to realize No-Self (Anatta), the Buddha has
 realized the Self. He was already an accomplished yogi, a master in his
 own right. But he still wasn't satisfied, because it wasn't yet the end
 of suffering. Why, because as long as there remains any tiny sense of 
"me" or "mine" either in relation with body and mind, or with a Self, 
primordial awareness, Consciousness, Brahman, the One Mind, God, etc. 
there will be suffering.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40959051"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40959051"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40959051"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40941650"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40941808"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;.............&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40968141"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My guess is that the
 Buddha first realized the Self and then started deconstructing it. He 
took this non-dual awareness and thought, "how can I be sure that this 
will not perish with the body?", "isn't awareness nothing more than 
something that arises as the result of sense contact"; "can awareness or
 consciousness exist beyond the 5 aggregates?", "what is the sense of 
self, being, existence?", "how does it arise?", "why is it still there 
after self-realization?", "why is it still there in the highest arupa 
jhanas?", "how can it be extinguished without dying?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then one 
day, Gautama awakened to impermanence, co-dependent origination, no-Atma
 (antta), emptiness, suchness, etc. and knew that, "this is the end of 
suffering", "the holy life has been lived, there is no more coming and 
going, etc.".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am far from that, but I am starting to realize 
that the Buddha did go beyond what everybody saw (and still seem to see 
-even Buddhists- as enlightenment, awakening or self-realization. 
Something that implies the realization of the Self, but goes further.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40959051"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40959051"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40959051"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40941650"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40941808"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;.............&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;nbsp;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40968479"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what is this 
pure, unborn, empty, timeless and nondual Awareness? As I see it now, it
 is just the non-arising, unsupported, empty and self-luminous nature of
 what is that the mind grasps and imagines to be an essential sustancial
 inherhent ultimate reality beyond phenomena. Seeing a white ox on a 
while empty field covered with snow (common Zen simile for the 
experience of the One Mind), the mind assumes that there is a pure 
"Whiteness" beyond all white objects.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why? Because when the mind 
is not yet freed from ignorance, it needs to hold on to some kind of 
stable reference point, reifying its unconditioned and nonabiding nature
 realized in a moment of total surrender into seeing the eternal Source 
and substance of all things.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I am starting to see it now, 
there is no clean mirror behind the images reflected in the mirror.The 
mirror cannot be separated from its reflected images. The reflected 
images are the mirror. Reality is like a lucid dream, but there is no 
dreamer, nor dreamed reality beyond the dream. There is just an timeless
 flow of dream images dreaming themselves within the dream. In dreaming,
 only the dream / in seeing, only the seen / in hearing, only the heard.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40968479"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40959051"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40959051"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40959051"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40941650"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40941808"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;.............&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40969161"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Padmasambhava's take on the same subject (where we see that Dzogchen and Vajrayana do not contract Pali Buddhism):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"The mind that observes is also devoid of an ego or self-entity.&lt;br /&gt;It is neither seen as something different from the aggregates&lt;br /&gt;Nor as identical with these five aggregates.&lt;br /&gt;If the first were true, there would exist some other substance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is not the case, so were the second true,&lt;br /&gt;That would contradict a permanent self, since the aggregates are impermanent.&lt;br /&gt;Therefore, based on the five aggregates,&lt;br /&gt;The self is a mere imputation based on the power of the ego-clinging.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As to that which imputes, the past thought has vanished and is nonexistent.&lt;br /&gt;The future thought has not occurred, and the present thought does not withstand scrutiny."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;.............&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40969161"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40976585"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The suggestions that
 I have received were to acquire 'right view'. The mind needs to acquire
 some form of conceptual model that allows it to accept the possibility 
of its own non-abiding ungraspable empty nature.  Right view is 
therefore required to facilitate the shift of perspective from "I am 
Awareness, everything is in me" to "nothing whatsoever is me or mine, 
all dharmas are empty". &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A good start would be Walpola Rahula's 
classic "What the Buddha Taught: Revised and Expanded Edition with Texts
 from Suttas and Dhammapada". It can be completed by  "The Way to 
Buddhahood: Instructions from a Modern Chinese Master"  by Ven. 
Yin-shun. A great autoritative summary of the Mahayana path. Then, based
 on a solid understanding of the core insights of Buddhism, Dakpo Tashi 
Namgyal's "Clarifying the Natural State" (if still in print, or anything
 from the same great 16th century yogi) will be the best introduction to
 the Mahamudra and indirectly to the the sem-de series of Dzogchen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The logical progression is therefore:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Advaita Vedanta&lt;br /&gt;- Pali Buddhism&lt;br /&gt;- Mahayana Buddhism&lt;br /&gt;- Mahamudra, Dzogchen&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If
 we skip Pali and Mahayana Buddhism and jump directly to Mahamudra or 
Dzogchen, the risk is to interpret Mahamudra or Dzogchen as a Buddhist 
version of pop-neo-advaita, equating emptiness and rigpa with awareness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This
 is very common nowadays and some Western lamas seem to encourage this 
trend to water-down the Dzogchen teachings, as always in order to appeal
 to a larger public. Business is business.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40968479"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;.............&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40969161"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40959051"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40976618"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The great thing about Buddhism is that is never goes beyond our direct experience.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In
 our direct experience, "the seen" does not imply the existence of solid
 objects out there that are the objects of what is seen. They may or may
 may not exist, but our direct experience is only "in seeing, only the 
seen".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In our direct experience, "the seen" does not imply the 
existence of a subject (an entity located in our brain looking through 
our eyes) or an impersonal unmanifest eternal witness (the Self, 
Awareness). In our direct experience there is only "the seen", without 
anybody seeing.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;The dream is just a metaphor. "The seen" is itself: not existing, not non-existing, nor both existing and non-existing ;-)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40976618"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40969161"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;.............&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40976840"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mahamudra is often 
defined as the union of emptiness and clarity. In Zen we call it the 
inseparability of the empty essence and luminous function of the mind.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What does it mean exacty and how is it related to practice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As
 I see it, the practice of what Kenneth called 1st and 2nd gear (noting 
vipassana and self-inquiry) allows us to witness the impermanent nature 
or phenomena that are gradually seen as being dreamlike, impermanent and
 ungraspable. As a result, we disembed from our identification to 
phenomena and wake up to our existence as pure awareness, first as the 
silent witness untouched by thoughts, then as an impersonal 
presence-awareness somehow detached from phenomena (3rd path) and 
finally as a non-dual awareness [that is not a thing] that includes 
phenomena and manifests as phenomena (4th path).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Through this 
process, the witness crystalizes the *clarity* aspect of what is, while 
phenomena manifest the *emptiness* aspect of what is. When the 
separation is complete, empty phenomedna are seen as dreamlike 
apprearences within pure clarity apprehended as non-dual awareness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In
 the Direct Mode (3rd gear?) some have noticed that phenomena become 
more alive, luminous, clear, in a way hyper-real, while the sense of an 
observing witness tends to dissolve.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40976841"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why? Because at this
 stage the direct mode shifts the our attention for the witnessing 
position beyond or behind phenomena towards phenomena and objects on the
 foreground. As a result phenomena (the seen, the heard, etc.) become 
more clear, alive, actual and hyper-real revealing its *clarity* aspect,
 while the sense of self, the witness, the observer or the sense of 
existing as a pure impersonal univolved awareness dissolves and fades 
away, revealing the *emptiness* aspect.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In both cases, *emptiness* and *clarity* are present but are somehow divided into two opposites sides:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;a).
  The subject is the only reality: the all pervading witnessing non-dual
 awareness (clarity) on one side, and empty impermanent phenomena 
reflected within awareness on the other (emptiness), or&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;b.)  The 
objects are the only reality in the absence of a knower: the "actual" 
world bright clear and luminous out there (clarity) and no self, witness
 or presence on the other side (emptiness).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Both states are valid
 point of views as long as we understand that everything is both *empty*
 and *luminous*. Then there is no opposion or conflict between cycling 
mode and direct mode, this or that. Gaining freedom from fixed views we 
gradually realize the union of emptiness and clarity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Zen master Linji (Jap. Rinzai) illustrates a). and b). as the 1st and 2nd of his Four Positions:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1). Remove the objects, not the man (non-dual awareness that is both the source and substance of all things)&lt;br /&gt;2). Remove the man, not the objects (no sense of self or agency, all that remains is the functioning of the six senses)&lt;br /&gt;3). Remove both man and objects (emptiness of both self and phenomena)&lt;br /&gt;4). Remove neither man, nor objects (traceless enlightenment beyond enlightenment)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40976618"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40969161"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;.............&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_41015515"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What is nibbana?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"If
 we wish to go by the Buddha's words, there is an easy principle that 
the Buddha taught to a disciple named Bahiya. "O Bahiya, whenever you 
see a form, let there be just the seeing; whenever you hear a sound, let
 there be just the hearing; when you smell an odor, let there be just 
the smelling (...) When you practice like this, there will be no self, 
no "I". When there is no self, there will be no running that way and no 
coming this way and no stopping anywhere. Self does not exist. That is 
the end of dukkha. That itself is nibbana". Whenever life is like that, 
it's nibbana. If it's lasting, then it is lasting nibanna; if it is 
temporary, then it is temporary nibanna. In other words, there is just 
one principle to live by".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Buddhdassa Bhikkhu, 'Heartwood of the bodhi Tree'&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;.............&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_41068930"&gt;Hello Zyklops,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I 
know that it sounds strange and counter-intuitive. To bring it back to 
the reality of our direct experience of things as they are, let me try 
answer with the following questions: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Have you noticed that no sunlight ever enters into the mind, nor even into the brain?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Have you noticed that even in dreams, while sleeping in a dark room with our eyes closed, we experience bright vivid dreams?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Have you noticed that when the sense of self fades away, everything becomes more vivid, bright and luminous?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Have you noticed that when I am aware of something, this "I" is itself a thought and/or a feeling?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-
 Have you noticed that althought our sense of existence seems to imply 
the existence of a knower located somewhere behind the eyes, the sense 
of existence-presence-being is only the actualization of an ungoing 
impermanent flow of phenomena [coming into being], including what we had
 assumed to be the subject of all experiences?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When the self/Self
 is seen as an illusion, awareness is also revealed as a quality of 
phenomena. In other words, there is no Awareness out there aware of 
phenomena. Phenomena are themselves self-aware, empty and luminous.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This
 is also what Dogen means by "to study the buddha way is to study the 
self. To study the self is to forget the self. To forget the self is to 
be enlightened by myriad things. When actualized by myriad things, your 
body and mind as well as the bodies and minds of others drop away" 
(Genjokoan).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt;.............&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40933247"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40969161"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40976585"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40976585"&gt;For more, see the &lt;a href="http://kennethfolkdharma.wetpaint.com/thread/4765011/A+Zen+exploration+of+the+Bahiya+Sutta?offset=0&amp;amp;maxResults=20"&gt;original link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="threadText" id="textNode_40976618"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
The Buddha teaches:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
These four types of individuals are to be found existing in the world. Which four?&lt;br /&gt;
There is the case of the individual who has attained internal 
tranquility of awareness, but not insight into phenomena through 
heightened discernment. There is... the individual who has attained 
insight into phenomena through heightened discernment, but not internal 
tranquility of awareness. There is... the individual who has attained 
neither internal tranquility of awareness nor insight into phenomena 
through heightened discernment. And there is... the individual who has 
attained both internal tranquility of awareness &amp;amp; insight into 
phenomena through heightened discernment.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The individual who has attained internal tranquility of awareness, 
but not insight into phenomena through heightened discernment, should 
approach an individual who has attained insight into phenomena through 
heightened discernment... and ask him: 'How should fabrications be 
regarded? How should they be investigated? How should they be seen with 
insight?' The other will answer in line with what he has seen &amp;amp; 
experienced: 'Fabrications should be regarded in this way... 
investigated in this way... seen in this way with insight.' Then 
eventually he [the first] will become one who has attained both internal
 tranquility of awareness &amp;amp; insight into phenomena through 
heightened discernment.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As for the individual who has attained insight into phenomena through
 heightened discernment, but not internal tranquility of awareness, he 
should approach an individual who has attained internal tranquility of 
awareness... and ask him, 'How should the mind be steadied? How should 
it be made to settle down? How should it be unified? How should it be 
concentrated?' The other will answer in line with what he has seen &amp;amp;
 experienced: 'The mind should be steadied in this way... made to settle
 down in this way... unified in this way... concentrated in this way.' 
Then eventually he [the first] will become one who has attained both 
internal tranquility of awareness &amp;amp; insight into phenomena through 
heightened discernment.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As for the individual who has attained neither internal tranquility 
of awareness nor insight into phenomena through heightened discernment, 
he should approach an individual who has attained both internal 
tranquility of awareness &amp;amp; insight into phenomena through heightened
 discernment... and ask him, 'How should the mind be steadied? How 
should it be made to settle down? How should it be unified? How should 
it be concentrated? How should fabrications be regarded? How should they
 be investigated? How should they be seen with insight?' The other will 
answer in line with what he has seen &amp;amp; experienced: 'The mind should
 be steadied in this way... made to settle down in this way... unified 
in this way... concentrated in this way. Fabrications should be regarded
 in this way... investigated in this way... seen in this way with 
insight.' Then eventually he [the first] will become one who has 
attained both internal tranquility of awareness &amp;amp; insight into 
phenomena through heightened discernment.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As for the individual who has attained both internal tranquility of 
awareness &amp;amp; insight into phenomena through heightened discernment, 
his duty is to make an effort in establishing ('tuning') those very same
 skillful qualities to a higher degree for the ending of the effluents*.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div class="cite"&gt;
— &lt;a href="http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an04/an04.094.than.html"&gt;AN 4.94&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="cite"&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="cite"&gt;
&lt;i&gt;*Effluents: &lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=3225985453951330898" id="asava" name="asava"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Mental effluent, pollutant, or fermentation. Four qualities — 
sensuality (sensual attachments/cravings and aversion), views (false views pertaining to self and other related extreme views), craving for becoming, and ignorance — that "flow out" of the mind
 and create the flood of the round of death and rebirth.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="cite"&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class="cite"&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Here's a related conversation between Thusness and I about five years ago:&lt;br /&gt;
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Session Start: Saturday, August 26, 2006&lt;br /&gt;
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Update: Sorry, conversation removed from blog by request of Thusness.&lt;br /&gt;
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p.s. interesting note from Loppon Namdrol:&lt;br /&gt;
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"In the early period of Budddhism, there were two yānas, 
śamatha yāna and vipaśyāna yāna; beginners went to Śariputra to training
 in vipaśyāna for stream entry; then they would go train in śamatha with
 Maudgalyana for further progress.&lt;br /&gt;
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Lance Cousins wrote a very interesting article about this."&lt;br /&gt;
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(Samatha = tranquility meditation, Vipasyana = insight meditation, stream entry = first out of four stages of awakening culminating in liberation)&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;Updated&lt;/b&gt; conversations with Thusness between 2004 to first half of 2011, in zip file.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry, Thusness told me to take it off the blog and he does not want to give the impression of being a teacher.&lt;a href="http://dl.box.net/dl/958186113/10d2850cf07adbac53acd49c6e6b5f23?a=9f9aeb015aabf0ebcab1325f19400e16&amp;amp;m=10.12.30.52,11211&amp;amp;x=1&amp;amp;c=2d8db4645399df170825bfc0f703bb35"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3225985453951330898-6076222059245157379?l=awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel="replies" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/feeds/6076222059245157379/comments/default" title="Post Comments" /><link rel="replies" type="text/html" href="http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3225985453951330898&amp;postID=6076222059245157379" title="5 Comments" /><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3225985453951330898/posts/default/6076222059245157379?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3225985453951330898/posts/default/6076222059245157379?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/AwakeningToReality/~3/_4L_-JdJJqE/early-days-conversations-with-thusness.html" title="Conversations With Thusness" /><author><name>An Eternal Now</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16416159880942160813</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="32" height="29" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fLEH1KOMMoU/Tg3EBRJrdtI/AAAAAAAAADw/6BaXLQ65AMA/s220/mesmall.jpg" /></author><thr:total>5</thr:total><feedburner:origLink>http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2011/10/early-days-conversations-with-thusness.html</feedburner:origLink></entry></feed>

