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        <title>Five hundred years ago, he said...</title>
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        <published>2009-07-11T02:19:30-04:00</published>
        <updated>2009-07-11T03:28:24Z</updated>
        <summary>(Tim) "...nobody is fit to preach the Gospel in a hostile world, unless his mind has been prepared for suffering. Therefore if we are to prove ourselves faithful ministers of Christ, not only must we ask Him for the spirit...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><i>(Tim)</i> "...nobody is fit to preach the Gospel in a hostile world, unless his mind has been prepared for suffering. Therefore if we are to prove ourselves faithful ministers of Christ, not only must we ask Him for the spirit of knowledge and of wisdom, but also for the spirit of steadfastness and of courage, so that we may never be broken by desperate suffering, for this is the lot of the godly."   - John Calvin, Acts, Vol. 1 (Torrance) pp. 266--267.<br />
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        <title>My gratitude for John Calvin...</title>
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        <published>2009-07-10T23:26:31-04:00</published>
        <updated>2009-07-11T03:27:23Z</updated>
        <summary>(Tim) Through the years of work in the pastorate, no one has fed and strengthened and rebuked and exhorted me more faithfully than John Calvin. I thank God for him on this his five hundredth birthday. If you read only...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><i>(Tim)</i> Through the years of work in the pastorate, no one has fed and strengthened and rebuked and exhorted me more faithfully than John Calvin. I thank God for him on this his five hundredth birthday. If you read only one man, make it Geneva's leading pastor of the Reformation.</p></div>
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        <title>Join us tonight as we celebrate Calvin's 500th birthday...</title>
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        <published>2009-07-09T12:40:48-04:00</published>
        <updated>2009-07-10T18:07:32Z</updated>
        <summary>(Tim) Today is John Calvin's 500th birthday. We didn't plan it this way, but I can't think of a better way of celebrating this day than attending the ClearNote Fellowship conference which begins this very evening. So far, we've received...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em><a href="http://nebti5.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d09d69e2011570f1a0f6970c-pi" style="float: right;"><img alt="StandingintheGap" border="0" class="at-xid-6a00d83451d09d69e2011570f1a0f6970c " src="http://nebti5.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d09d69e2011570f1a0f6970c-320pi" style="margin: 0px 5px 5px 0px;" title="StandingintheGap" /></a> (Tim) </em>Today is John Calvin's 500th birthday. We didn't plan it this way, but I can't think of a better way of celebrating this day than attending the ClearNote Fellowship conference which begins this very evening.  So far, we've received registrations for about 125 adults and 60 children for <em><a href="http://www.clearnotefellowship.org/Resources">Standing in the Gap</a></em>. It's not too late for you to come!</p><p>Even if you're not registered, you can show up this evening from 6:30-7:00 PM when we'll have open registration. The first session, "Who Will Stand?" begins at 7:00 PM, followed by a concert.</p><p>We'll continue tomorrow (Saturday) morning with breakfast at 9:00 AM and our second session, "Fight or Flight," at 9:30.</p><p>If you have any questions, please call us at (812) 825-2684. (Download a conference brochure, <a href="http://www.clearnotefellowship.org/sites/default/files/Conference_Brochure_0.pdf">here</a>.)</p><p>Hope to see you here!</p></div>
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        <title>Injustice Ginsburg: "Reproductive rights need to be straightened out" and the morning-after pill will help...</title>
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        <summary>(Tim, w/thanks to Kamilla and James) SCOTUS Little Lady, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, held forth in a long interview that ran in yesterday's New York Times. Ranging far afield for most of the interview, as always with the Times, the...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em>(Tim, w/thanks to Kamilla and James)</em> SCOTUS Little Lady, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, held forth in <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/magazine/12ginsburg-t.html?pagewanted=1&amp;_r=1&amp;hp">a long interview</a> that ran in yesterday's <em>New York Times</em>. Ranging far afield for most of the interview, as always with the <em>Times</em>, the inevitable homing device kicked in and the interview came to a roaring end with our national bloodlust for baby-slaughter front and center:</p><div class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;"><em>New York Times</em>: When you say that reproductive rights need to be straightened out, what do you mean?<br /><br />JUSTICE GINSBURG: The basic thing is that the government has no business making that choice for a woman...
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<p><br /><em><br />New York Times</em>: Does that mean getting rid of the test the court imposed, in which it allows states to impose restrictions on abortion — like a waiting period — that are not deemed an “undue burden” to a woman’s reproductive freedom?</p><p>JUSTICE GINSBURG: I’m not a big fan of these tests. I think the court uses them as a label that accommodates the result it wants to reach. It will be, it should be, that this is a woman’s decision. It’s entirely appropriate to say it has to be an informed decision, but that doesn’t mean you can keep a woman overnight who has traveled a great distance to get to the clinic, so that she has to go to some motel and think it over for 24 hours or 48 hours.</p><p>I still think, although I was much too optimistic in the early days, that the possibility of stopping a pregnancy very early is significant. The morning-after pill will become more accessible and easier to take. So I think the side that wants to take the choice away from women and give it to the state, they’re fighting a losing battle. Time is on the side of change.</p></div>
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        <title>Name that preacher...</title>
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        <summary>(Tim) Alright, guys; we're roaming the aisles at Christian Booksellers Convention just now and we've laid our hands on some humdingers. All the publishers have their celebrities' latest glossies free for the taking and, so far, this one takes the...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em><a href="http://nebti5.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d09d69e2011571dc714e970b-pi" style="float: right;"><img alt="Belosteller" border="0" class="at-xid-6a00d83451d09d69e2011571dc714e970b " src="http://nebti5.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d09d69e2011571dc714e970b-320pi" style="margin: 0px 5px 5px 0px;" title="Belosteller" /></a> (Tim)</em> Alright, guys; we're roaming the aisles at Christian Booksellers Convention just now and we've laid our hands on some humdingers. All the publishers have their celebrities' latest glossies free for the taking and, so far, this one takes the cake. We're betting you can't name this preacher.</p><p>Speaking of Dolce &amp; Gabbana, those in the know tell us Rob Bell gets his threads at Goodwill; Tim Keller does Brooks Brothers, signing his check with a Mont Blanc; and Joel Osteen does Walmart. </p><p>And Bell's spectacular spectacles? 
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<p><a href="http://nebti5.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d09d69e2011571dc9a42970b-pi" style="float: left;"><img alt="LAEYE" border="0" class="at-xid-6a00d83451d09d69e2011571dc9a42970b " src="http://nebti5.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d09d69e2011571dc9a42970b-800wi" style="margin: 0px 5px 5px 0px;" title="LAEYE" /></a> We've heard big changes are in the works. Check it out. Speaking of which, how come Bullhorn Guy isn't listed <a href="http://www.framesdirectblog.com/hollywood-movie-eyewear-report/">here</a>? Everyone wants to know.</p><p /></div>
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        <published>2009-07-08T13:55:07-04:00</published>
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        <summary>(Tim) My good brother, Bob Patterson, recently did a piece for National Review Online (NRO) that I commend to our readers. In an e-mail to friends, Bob summed up the argument he makes this way: The decline in marriage and...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em>(Tim)</em> My good brother, Bob Patterson, recently did <a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YzE3YzRmMTBjZTc4Y2FlN2VmZDg0NTFjN2FkMGQwMDI=">a piece</a> for National Review Online (NRO) that I commend to our readers. In an e-mail to friends, Bob summed up the argument he makes this way:</p><div class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">The decline in marriage and fertility rates among the Baby Boom generation stands at the heart of what presently ails the American economy. After noting the demographic concerns of former Fortune columnist David Goldman, I suggest that national GOP leaders can no longer ignore the interplay between social and economic issues if they want the party to make a comeback in 2010 or 2012.<br /></div></div>
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        <title>During the bloodshed, what did Rwanda's pastors do?</title>
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        <published>2009-07-08T10:45:00-04:00</published>
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        <summary>(Tim) Below is an excerpt from Philip Gourevitch's history of the Rwandan genocide, We Wish to Inform You That Tomorrow We Will be Killed With Our Families. This book should be read by every believer committed to opposing the slaughter...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em>(Tim)</em> Below is an excerpt from Philip Gourevitch's history of the Rwandan genocide, <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0312243359?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=davtimbayouto-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=0312243359">We Wish to Inform You That Tomorrow We Will be Killed With Our Families</a></em>. This book should be read by every believer committed to opposing the slaughter of the feeble, elderly, newborn, and unborn upon which our civil compact has been built for decades, now.</p><p>A few years ago, a godly Rwandan was preaching to us here at Church of the Good Shepherd and he took the occasion to rebuke us, saying we Americans had no authority to condemn Rwanda's genocide when we were slaughtering 1.3 million children in our own nation, year after year, with no sign of the bloodshed ending.</p><p>Truth is, many, many denominations, churches, elders, and pastors have endorsed the slaughter of the unborn here in these United States. And even among those pastors who claim to be pro-life, precious few are anti-abortion. Like the Rwandan priests and pastors, many of us... 
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<p>turn a blind eye to the bloodshed in our own churches and congregations. And almost none of us ever show up at the abortuaries on the days of slaughter to give a cup of cold water in Jesus' Name.</p><p>Through silence, our preaching, too, connives at the oppression. Saying anything from the pulpit is too, too off putting for the unconverted--let them discover it for themselves. It's the Holy Spirit's work to convict--not the pastor's.</p><p>So what did the pastors do when the blood was flowing in Rwanda?
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<p>But first, to bring you up to speed, here's a small excerpt from the "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide">Rwandan Genocide</a>" entry in Wikipedia:<br />

</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Rwandan Prime Minister <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Kambanda" title="Jean Kambanda">Jean Kambanda</a> revealed, in his testimony before the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Tribunal_for_Rwanda" title="International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda">International Criminal Tribunal</a>, that the genocide was openly discussed in cabinet meetings and that
"one cabinet minister said she was personally in favor of getting rid of all Tutsi; without the Tutsi, she told ministers, all of Rwanda's problems would be over." In addition to Kambanda, the genocide's organizers included Colonel <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%A9oneste_Bagosora" title="Théoneste Bagosora">Théoneste Bagosora</a>, a retired army officer, and many top ranking government officials and members of the army, such as General <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustin_Bizimungu" title="Augustin Bizimungu">Augustin Bizimungu</a>. On the local level, the Genocide's planners included Burgomasters, or mayors, and members of the police.</p>
<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Government leaders communicated with figures among the population to form and arm militias called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interahamwe" title="Interahamwe">Interahamwe</a>, "those who stand (fight, kill) together", and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impuzamugambi" title="Impuzamugambi">Impuzamugambi</a>, "those who have the same (or a single) goal". These groups, especially the youth wings, were responsible for most of the violence.</p>
<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;"><a id="Facts" name="Facts" /></p>

<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Out of a population of 7.3 million people - 84% of whom where Hutu,
15% Tutsi and 1% Twa - the official figures published by the Rwandan
government estimated the number of victims of the genocide to 1,174,000
in 100 days (10,000 murdered every day, 400 every hour, 7 every
minute). Other sources put the death toll to 800,000, 20% of whom were
Hutus. It is estimated that about 300,000 Tutsis survived the genocide.
Thousands of widows, many of whom were submitted to rape, are now
HIV-positive. There are about 400,000 orphans and nearly 85,000 of them
have become heads of families.</p>
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<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">According to recent commentators the news media played a crucial
role in the genocide: local print and radio media fueled the killings,
while the international media either ignored or seriously misconstrued
events on the ground.</p><p>But what of the church and her priests and pastors? On to the shepherds of Rwanda.</p><div class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">The Catholic cathedral of Sainte Famille, an immensity of brick, stands right off one of Kigali’s main arteries, a few hundred yards downhill from the Hotel des Mille Collines. Because of its prominence, and its consequent visibility to the few international observers who were still circulating in Kigali, Sainte Famille was one of half a dozen places in the city—and fewer than a dozen in all of Rwanda—where Tutsis who sought refuge in 1994 were never exterminated <em>en masse</em>. Instead, the killing in such places was incremental, and for those who were spared the terror was constant. Sainte Famile was initially protected by policemen, but, as usual, their resistance to the neighborhood interahamwe and to the soldiers who came hunting for Tutsis quickly collapsed. In the beginning, the killers who staked out the church contented themselves with attacking new refugees as they arrived. The massacre on April 15 was the first massive incursion into Sainte Famille, and it was quite carefully organized by the interahamwe and the Presidential Guard.</div><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Only males were killed on that day, picked out individually from the throng of several thousand in the church and its outbuildings. The killers had lists, and many of them were neighbors of the victims and could recognize them on sight. A young man who had worked for Bonaventure as a domestic was killed. “But I was lucky,” Bonaventure said. “I went inside a small room with my family, and just as I went in and closed the door, Sainte Famille filled with military and militia and police. They started asking for me, but fortunately they did not break down the door where I was. I stayed there with the kids and my wife. There were about twenty people altogether in that small, small place.” Bonaventure had a three-month old daughter with him, and he said, “Keeping her quiet was the hardest.”</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">I asked him what the priests had done when the killing began. “Nothing,” he said. “One of them was good, but he was threatened himself, so he went into hiding on April 13, and the other one in charge was very comfortable with the militia. This is the famous Father Wenceslas Munyeshyaka. He was very close to the military and the militia, and he was going around with them. He was not actually denouncing anybody at first, but he would do nothing for the people.”</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">-Gourevitch, Philip. <em>We Wish to Inform You that Tomorrow We Will Be Killed with our Families: Stories from Rwanda</em>, New York: Picador USA, 1998, 124-125.</p></div>
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        <title>The swordsman, a parable...</title>
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        <published>2009-07-07T23:27:20-04:00</published>
        <updated>2009-07-08T21:45:26Z</updated>
        <summary>(David) Many years ago in a land far away a peasant boy grew of age in a remote province of a great kingdom. The boy grew up dreaming of joining the king’s army—a force of conquering swordsmen famous around the...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em>(David)</em> Many years ago in a land far away a peasant boy grew of age in a remote province
of a great kingdom. The boy grew up dreaming of joining the king’s army—a force of conquering  swordsmen famous around the world both for their skill with the sword and for the excellence of their weapons. </p><p>To join the king's army prospective
swordsmen were required to appear before the king on a yearly enlistment
day with a sword of sufficient quality to be borne for the king. And
swords of such quality--swords of the caliber that had led the
kingdom’s armies to victory in battle after battle--lay far beyond the
means of a lowly peasant. </p>

<p>Yet this boy dreamed constantly of swordsmanship and glory. Though even a rustic sword lay far beyond his means, he longed to join the king’s swordsmen.
On his twentieth year the boy gathered his meagre savings to purchase passage to the capital. Penniless, now, as well as swordless, he was still determined to plead his case before
the king. </p><p>Enlistment day dawned with the peasant boy in the midst of a throng at the palace gates. The gates were opened and an official led the waiting men into a courtyard. As dawn's first light grew to the light of day the young peasant saw his fellow would-be swordsmen more clearly. All were of similar age to himself, but the majority clearly possessed far greater fortunes. Most of the young men wore rich clothing. Many carried jeweled swords. Only a few were dressed crudely, and fewer still appeared without a weapon. </p><p>One by one the residents of the courtyard were summoned before the king. The day lengthened. The courtyard emptied. Late in the afternoon the peasant’s name was finally called. He
entered the enlistment room where he found the king seated by a solitary swordsman. On a table beside the king lay a sword.</p><p>“You stand before me bearing no sword,” the king said. “Why have you come?”</p><p>“Your
honor,” the peasant replied, “I long to fight for you. I would do
battle for your glory and honor. You are a great and wise and generous
king. I promise you my obedience, my life even. But I’m a poor man, the
son of peasants. I possess no sword. I come to prevail upon your
generosity. I beg of you a sword to fight for you.”</p><p>With a knowing
look at the swordsman by his side, the king responded, “What? You ask
for a sword? Don’t you know that you must have a sword to join my army?”</p><p>“Yes,
your honor,” the peasant replied, “so I know. And knowing also your
benevolence and generosity, I beg you to give me what I need.”</p><p>“Give
it I will,” the king replied. “What you have done is what every
swordsman who serves in my army did before you. The warriors of my army
are only those men who sought their swords of me as you have done. None
of those who come bearing their own swords serve in my army, only those
who seek swords of me because only the sword I give is equal to the
battles you will fight. This is the secret of my knights and my army--and you must never tell it to anyone.”</p><p>The king turned to the
swordsman at his side. “Give me the sword,” he said. Lifting the
shining, razor-sharp sword from its place on the table, the swordsman
handed it to the king. The king touched the young peasant on the head with
it. “Go and fight for me,” he said, “Bear my sword. Be a warrior for my
glory.”</p><p>Years of training followed, then further years of battle. By
skill gained from training and by the power of the king’s sword, the young
peasant became a conquering warrior, a hero of his kingdom.</p><p>One day,
however, after countless victories, the now-famous
swordsman encountered a weak yet crafty foe in the field of
battle. The man who confronted him carried a stick instead of a sword.
Instead of attacking, he stood humbly, head bowed before the
warrior.</p><p>“Great warrior,” he said, “I know that you are about to
kill me. I’m nothing, a pea, a dead dog before your glory. But before I
depart this life may I ask one favor of you? Permit me to look upon the
sword you will dispatch me with. I’ve heard tell of the glories of your
weapon. May I see and touch it before I die? I could die satisfied with
the honor of being dispatched by so famous a warrior bearing so noble a
weapon were you to permit this one request.”</p><p>Seeing no reason to
deny the man’s final wish, the soldier drew near with sword
outstretched. The very wise little man, touched the edge of the sword.
“Ah, Damascus steel, I see. A falcata, with elephant tusk handle and a
false edge on the concave side of the blade.”</p><p>“No,” the warrior
responded, “not a falcata, a scimitar, and not Damascus, but Toledo
steel, and not elephant, but whale ivory handle.”</p><p>The argument, thus joined, lasted long into the night. Eventually, the warrior grew tired.
When he slipped into sleep, sword still in his grip, the little man
made his escape.</p><p>Word of this encounter spread. Soon, all across the
world warriors began questioning the nature of the swords of the king’s
swordsmen. The warriors responded by examining their swords,
classifying them, determining their origin and provenance. </p><p>Debating
societies sprang up in the king’s barracks training swordsmen to argue
the greatness of their swords. Soon, the king’s swordsmen were debating
the nature of their weapons more than fighting with them. They became
lax in training. They grew lazy. They became sedentary creatures, fat,
slow-moving. </p><p>Though now excellent at disputing the nature of their
swords they grew less and less adept at fighting with them. Eventually,
a warrior’s greatness was judged by his skill at debate rather than his
ability with a sword. All the king’s knights became acclaimed debaters,
famed intellects, formidable disputants on the nature of swords and
swordsmanship. But good as they were at debate, the result was the ruin
of the king’s army, his warriors made mockery of in battles where they
went out to fight bearing doctoral degrees and academic tomes on swordsmanship even as
their swords grew rusty from disuse.</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;"><span lang="en-us"> 2 Timothy 2:14</span></p><div class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;"><span lang="en-us">Remind them of these things, and ﻿charge them before God﻿ ﻿not to quarrel about words, ﻿which does no good, but only ruins the hearers. </span><span lang="en-us"> Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker ﻿who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.</span></div><p /><div>
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        <title>Turning grace into lasciviousness...</title>
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        <published>2009-07-04T16:40:00-04:00</published>
        <updated>2009-07-05T04:47:52Z</updated>
        <summary>For the grace of God has appeared ...instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age... (Titus 2:11,12) (Tim) The prattle about grace that permeates the sermons, fellowship-hall conversations, and...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em>For the grace of God has appeared ...instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age... (Titus 2:11,12)

</em></p><p><em>(Tim) </em>The prattle about grace that permeates the sermons, fellowship-hall conversations, and books within the mainstream reformed church today tastes like cotton candy and leaves your hands sticky. In our non-Christian hedonistic day when even the poor are fat, it should be clear that the need of the hour is not more talk of grace. In our pomo, effeminate day, it should be clear our need is not more talk of being graceful.</p><p>Nevertheless, within mainstream reformed churches, it's claimed that every last problem is a nail needing the hammer of grace.</p><p>Which leaves me scratching my head when I read the Bible. Are these people reading it? The Bible, I mean? Can we seriously think the need of our day is more grace talk, but still not a word about sin, holiness, repentance, and mortification?</p><p>And certainly not one word about false conversions. For some time I've been thinking that anyone who holds firmly to what is commonly called "eternal security" must, at the same time, hold firmly to the danger of... 
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<p>self-delusion and wolves in the church's midst. There ought never to be a proclamation of "eternal security" without a proclamation of the danger of false conversion, also.</p><p>The preaching of grace and eternal security destroys souls without preaching and teaching that places an equal emphasis on the prevalence in the church of false professors of faith in Jesus Christ and the hopeless future that awaits them.</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">When a man hath confirmed his imagination to such an apprehension of grace and mercy as to be able, without bitterness, to swallow and digest daily sins, that man is at the very brink of turning the grace of God into lasciviousness, and being hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. Neither is there a greater evidence of a false and rotten heart in the world than to drive such a trade. To use the blood of Christ, which is given to <em>cleanse</em> us, 1John 1:7, Titus 2:14; the exaltation of Christ, which is to give us <em>repentance</em>, Acts 5:31; the doctrine of grace, which teaches us to <em>deny all ungodliness</em>, Titus 2:11,12, to countenance sin, is a rebellion that in the issue will break the bones. </p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">At this door have gone out from us most of the professors that have apostatized in the days wherein we live. For a while they were most of them under convictions; these kept them unto duties, and brought them to profession; so they "escaped the pollutions that are in the world, through the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ," 2Peter 2:20: but having got an acquaintance with the doctrine of the gospel, and being weary of duty, for which they had no principle, they began to countenance themselves in manifold neglects from the doctrine of grace. Now, when once this evil had laid hold of them, they speedily tumbled into perdition. -John Owen (<em>emphasis in the original</em>)</p><p /></div>
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        <title>The new iPhone GS: tethering and the cover of the "New Yorker"...</title>
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        <published>2009-07-04T16:34:47-04:00</published>
        <updated>2009-07-04T20:39:56Z</updated>
        <summary>(Tim) Until this past week, I'd never owned a smartphone. David's been using them for years but I always said I didn't need one since I take my laptop everywhere. Then, my two-year-old cellphone neared death and, realizing an iPhone...</summary>
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            <name>David &amp; Tim Bayly</name>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em><a href="http://nebti5.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d09d69e2011570c3defa970c-pi" style="float: right;"><img alt="NewYorker:iPhone" border="0" class="at-xid-6a00d83451d09d69e2011570c3defa970c " src="http://nebti5.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d09d69e2011570c3defa970c-800wi" style="margin: 0px 5px 5px 0px;" title="NewYorker:iPhone" /></a> (Tim)</em> Until this past week, I'd never owned a smartphone. David's been using them for years but I always said I didn't need one since I take my laptop everywhere. Then, my two-year-old cellphone neared death and, realizing an iPhone would only cost me about $50-100 more than any other cell phone I'd buy, and that having an iPhone would only add $10 to my monthly AT&amp;T bill, I got an iPhone 3GS.</p><p>For four or five years, I've been tethering my laptops to my cell phone using a bluetooth connection that worked well and only cost $20 per month for unlimited data. They always told me it wasn't an official setup, but my local Cingular/AT&amp;T store was helpful and I loved it. E-mail was fast but browsing could be slow. It was about the speed of an old 56k dial-up connection, for those of you who remember those. But it always worked.</p><p>When traveling by car, I got in the habit of buying our hotel room on Priceline as the evening progressed and we knew where we'd be when we wanted to go to sleep. One time in Pittsburgh, we bought our room at 10:55 PM and were in bed within the hour.</p><p>All this to say, I was loath (quick now, and without looking it up, what's the difference between loathe, loath, and loth?) to give up tethering in order to make the switch to an iPhone. Then Joseph told me <a href="http://help.benm.at/help.php">an easy tethering solution</a> was available for the new GS, and I bit... 
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<p>He was right; tethering doesn't require me to jailbreak my phone and it's about as easy as easy can get--much easier than the method I had to use to set up tethering on my old Sony Ericsson. Now, when I need to type, I can pull out my laptop. But for everything else, the iPhone is much more convenient. And for those of you who haven't joined the smartphone masses, yet, I do mean everything else!</p><p>Being color blind, I'm not painter. But did you know the cover of the latest <em>New Yorker</em> is a painting done on an iPhone? It took the painter about an hour. Here's <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/video?videoID=24059201001">a video of his work</a>.</p></div>
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        <title>A robot's playlist...</title>
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        <summary>(Tim) Updated to the latest version of iTunes, when I started the application just now, I got a message window announcing iTunes DJ. They tell me "iTunes DJ automatically picks songs to make a continuous mix of your music." And...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em><a href="http://nebti5.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d09d69e2011570c2ecbb970c-pi" style="float: right;"><img alt="ITunesDJ" border="0" class="at-xid-6a00d83451d09d69e2011570c2ecbb970c " src="http://nebti5.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d09d69e2011570c2ecbb970c-120pi" style="margin: 0px 5px 5px 0px;" title="ITunesDJ" /></a> (Tim)</em> Updated to the latest version of iTunes, when I started the application just now, I got a message window announcing iTunes DJ. They tell me "iTunes DJ automatically picks songs to make a continuous mix of your music." And if I'm the host of a party, it will "allow guests to request songs using the Remote application for iPhone and iPod Touch."</p><p>I clicked the window closed and was presented with this first iTunes DJ selected playlist. Thought you'd all get a kick out of it.</p></div>
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        <title>Stuff white Christians like...</title>
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        <published>2009-07-01T12:25:50-04:00</published>
        <updated>2009-07-01T16:30:56Z</updated>
        <summary>(Tim, w/thanks to Chantal) This blog poking fun at white Christians is kinda cute. Here's a teaser: White Christians like to know that there will be more white Christians in the future. That's why every white Christian couple seeks to...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em>(Tim, w/thanks to Chantal)</em> <a href="http://www.stuffwhitechristianslike.com/">This blog</a> poking fun at white Christians is kinda cute. Here's a teaser:</p><div class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">White Christians like to know that there will be more white Christians in the future. That's why every white Christian couple seeks to replenish the earth and subdue it... by adding 2.3 children into the church's Sunday school program.

Exactly how churches handle babies is extremely important to white Christians.<br /><br />They have been known to flock to churches with good baby care and preschool programs--even if the rest of the church is in complete disarray.

The pastor could be having an affair with both church secretaries, holding three hour services, and reading from the <em>King James Version</em> while simultaneously converting to Mormonism... but if the nursery is good, that church has it made in the shade...<br /></div><p>I'd like to see another on yellow and still another on black Christians. And if they had a black write the white and a yellow write the black and a white write the yellow, we'd really be in business.</p></div>
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        <title>Love, the Song of Solomon and Christ: a sermon series recommendation</title>
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        <published>2009-06-30T10:50:00-04:00</published>
        <updated>2009-06-30T14:51:26Z</updated>
        <summary>(David) It seems to me that modern and ancient treatments of the Song of Solomon almost always fall entirely on one side or the other of a very broad spectrum of potential approaches. Some (mostly ancient preachers and commentators) view...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em>(David)</em> It seems to me that modern and ancient treatments of the Song of Solomon almost always fall entirely on one side or the other of a very broad spectrum of potential approaches. </p><p>Some (mostly ancient preachers and commentators) view the Song of Solomon almost entirely allegorically. They look at Song of Solomon and see only Christ, His love for His Bride and His Bride's love for Him and nothing at all of human romance or sexual union. </p><p>Others (mostly modern preachers and commentators) get all squirrely over the obviously sexual nature of the book and forget metaphor altogether in preaching and teaching from it. </p><p>No one ever seems to square the circle by fully acknowledging both the sex and the metaphor at the heart of Song of Solomon. Either it's Song of Solomon as sex manual taught by giggly-eyed graduates of the Young Life school of theology for whom any mention of sex serves the same function as the bell with Pavlov's dogs, or it's a droning dissertation on Jesus that has little to do with the <em>actual text</em> of Song of Solomon.</p>

<p>So when I read somewhere of John MacArthur's recent criticisms of preachers who speak of sex too much, I dismissed it as one school attacking the other. Frankly, I was fairly confident I'd prefer Mark Driscoll's take on Song of Solomon to John MacArthur's.</p><p>But <a href="http://merecomments.typepad.com/merecomments/2009/06/the-gospel-of-mark-driscoll-his-critics.html">this post</a> in Mere Comments (thanks, Kamilla) about Mark Driscoll's preaching from the Song of Solomon is disturbing, if accurate. If Mark has divorced the pleasures of sex from the purpose of sex, as it appears he does in giving approval to sexual acts devoid of--in fact, preclusive of--procreative intent, he has become an apologist for one of the characteristic sins of our age.</p><p>It's hard to preach with integrity from Song of Solomon while maintaining a bluenosed resistance to speaking about romance, wooing, arousal and sexual union from the pulpit. In fact, it's tragic failure to preach God's truth in an area our world --and our children--need to hear it proclaimed. Song of Solomon is about these good things and our children need to hear this and know it. But it's more: it's sex and desire sanctified, given reason and meaning. </p><p>To hear preaching from the Song of Solomon faithful to both sides of the metaphor, listen to these sermons being preached this summer by Dr. Robert Forney in evening services at Christ the Word. Dr. Forney squares the circle on Song of Solomon. His preaching not only demonstrates why John MacArthur is wrong in criticizing talk of sex from the pulpit, he preaches about Christ from Song of Solomon in a way Mark Driscoll will forever be incapable of so long as he denies the fundamentally procreative nature of sex in God's economy.</p><p>Sermon 1 can be found <a href="http://www.christtheword.com/sermon/ss-11-8/">here</a>. Sermon 2 can be found <a href="http://www.christtheword.com/sermon/ss-112-214/">here</a>. The series will continue on the first and third Sundays of July and August.</p></div>
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    <entry>
        <title>Register now for ClearNote's "Standing in the Gap" conference...</title>
        <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/BaylyblogOutOfOurMindsToo/~3/_kLRNnSCeyw/register-now-for-clearnotes-standing-in-the-gap-conference.html" />
        <link rel="service.edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.typepad.com/t/atom/weblog/blog_id=1265854/entry_id=6a00d83451d09d69e20115718018c5970b" title="Register now for ClearNote's &quot;Standing in the Gap&quot; conference..." />
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        <id>tag:typepad.com,2003:post-6a00d83451d09d69e20115718018c5970b</id>
        <published>2009-06-28T18:26:08-04:00</published>
        <updated>2009-06-28T22:32:37Z</updated>
        <summary>(Tim) We're looking forward to hosting a number of you for the first annual ClearNote Fellowship conference, Standing in the Gap, to be held here in Bloomington two weeks from now, July 10-12. If you haven't done it yet, please...</summary>
        <author>
            <name>David &amp; Tim Bayly</name>
        </author>
        <category term="Courage" />
        <category term="Culture" />
        <category term="Discernment" />
        <category term="Food &amp; drink" />
        <category term="Persecution" />
        
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><a href="http://nebti5.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d09d69e20115703f7051970c-pi" style="float: left;"><img alt="StandingintheGap" border="0" class="at-xid-6a00d83451d09d69e20115703f7051970c " src="http://nebti5.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d09d69e20115703f7051970c-320pi" style="margin: 0px 5px 5px 0px;" title="StandingintheGap" /></a><em>(Tim)</em> We're looking forward to hosting a number of you for the first annual ClearNote Fellowship conference, <em>Standing in the Gap</em>, to be held here in Bloomington two weeks from now, July 10-12. If you haven't done it yet, please register now and we'll look forward to meeting you and your children.</p><p><a href="http://www.clearnotefellowship.org/2009ConferencePass">Online registration</a> is available. And <a href="http://www.clearnotefellowship.org/sites/default/files/Conference_Brochure_0.pdf">here's a PDF</a> of the conference brochure for you to download. Message titles include, Who Will Stand?; Fight or Flight--True or False Contextualization; Cheap Grace; and Worship Wars.</p><p>We
plan a refreshing time of fellowship, teaching, food, and worship. The whole family is welcome--we'll be child-friendly but we'll also provide childcare. </p><p>I hope you'll register now and join with us for the weekend.</p><p>If you'd like more information, please e-mail (Mrs.) Ali Trout at churchoffice at shepherdchurch dot com.
Or, give her a call, Tuesday through Friday, at (812) 825-2684.</p></div>
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    <entry>
        <title>Serving Christ in Cedar Rapids, Iowa...</title>
        <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/BaylyblogOutOfOurMindsToo/~3/-i0Hy9mwbsc/serving-christ-in-cedar-rapids-iowa.html" />
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        <id>tag:typepad.com,2003:post-68405283</id>
        <published>2009-06-28T18:08:27-04:00</published>
        <updated>2009-06-28T22:14:06Z</updated>
        <summary>(Tim) Two weeks ago, our high school men and women went over to Cedar Rapids, Iowa, to serve those trying to recover from the terrible flood the community suffered last year. Led by their youth workers, David Abu-Sara, Veronica Allen,...</summary>
        <author>
            <name>David &amp; Tim Bayly</name>
        </author>
        <category term="Government" />
        <category term="Gratitude" />
        <category term="Mercy" />
        <category term="PCA" />
        <category term="Politics" />
        
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em><a href="http://nebti5.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d09d69e2011571800fdd970b-pi" style="float: right;"><img alt="CedarRapids:Flood" border="0" class="at-xid-6a00d83451d09d69e2011571800fdd970b " src="http://nebti5.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d09d69e2011571800fdd970b-320pi" style="margin: 0px 5px 5px 0px;" title="CedarRapids:Flood" /></a> (Tim)</em> Two weeks ago, our high school men and women went over to Cedar Rapids, Iowa, to serve those trying to recover from the terrible flood the community suffered last year. Led by their youth workers, David Abu-Sara, Veronica Allen, Abram Hess, Emily Hess, and Ryan Schnitzer, they returned reporting that the governmental authorities were not particularly helpful to the residents, being better at red tape than getting things done.</p><p>The work done by the group was coordinated by church planters, Jeremy Knapp and Michael Langer, of <a href="http://www.oneancienthope.com/Site/Home.html">One Ancient Hope</a> (PCA). Our men and women were given a place to sleep in the basement of <a href="http://www.hope-presbyterian.org/">Hope Evangelical Church</a> (PCA).</p><p>The <em>Iowa Independen</em>t ran <a href="http://iowaindependent.com/16057/red-tape-continues-to-hamper-individual-flood-recovery-efforts">an article</a> on the post-flood political problems and our group made the blurb under one of the pictures...
</p>
<p> If you look closely at the pic, you can see (from l. to r.) David Abu-Sara, Taylor Bayly, and Jay Sparks. And if you look even more closely, you can see, peeking through the roo, the head of John Alberson. The details of the blurb should have read:</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Disaster recovery volunteers from other parts of the U.S. remain
frequent visitors to Linn County. Ryan Schnitzer, spokesman for
Indiana-based Church of the Good Shepherd high school youth group
pictured above, admitted that he "didn't expect the community to still
look like the disaster had happened just last week." The 17-member
group was in the process of demolishing this house, and had already
completed five other residential projects in the city.</p><p>We're grateful for the witness of One Ancient Hope and Hope Evangelical Church in their own community. We're also grateful our young men and women were able to join with them in their witness.</p></div>
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        <title>John Piper explaining his invitation to Doug Wilson...</title>
        <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/BaylyblogOutOfOurMindsToo/~3/IvSaox3Lx8k/john-piper-explaining-his-invitation-to-doug-wilson.html" />
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        <id>tag:typepad.com,2003:post-68407541</id>
        <published>2009-06-23T11:43:21-04:00</published>
        <updated>2009-07-01T16:50:45Z</updated>
        <summary>(Tim) When John invited Doug Wilson to speak at one of his big conferences, I sent him an e-mail commending him for his courage. Like those who paid dearly for inviting Dad to speak after he publicly rebuked Bill Gothard...</summary>
        <author>
            <name>David &amp; Tim Bayly</name>
        </author>
        <category term="Courage" />
        <category term="Gratitude" />
        <category term="Reformed world" />
        
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em>(Tim) </em>When John invited Doug Wilson to speak at one of his big conferences, I sent him an e-mail commending him for his courage. Like those who paid dearly for inviting Dad to speak after he publicly rebuked Bill Gothard in the pages of <em>Eternity</em>, John will pay for escorting Doug into the Reformed big top.</p><p>But like Doug, John has some courage and those who specialize in anti-Wilson bile should take note that, among men who are reformed pastors of national reputation, John stands with Doug. Why?</p><p>John released <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gprGHoMzar0">this video</a> explaining his invitation. Forget the first three minutes or so. Just listen to the last few seconds and you'll get the straight dope. (And by the way, I do wish men would release a transcript of such video talks so we weren't forced to spend the time watching video to get their message.)</p></div>
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    <entry>
        <title>Over there...</title>
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        <id>tag:typepad.com,2003:post-68403635</id>
        <published>2009-06-23T09:54:38-04:00</published>
        <updated>2009-06-23T14:21:41Z</updated>
        <summary>(David) I've known that the PCA's missions arm (MTW) has worked in cooperation with at least one egalitarian national church in Europe for several years now. I hadn't known until Douglas Wilson brought it to light in this post that...</summary>
        <author>
            <name>David &amp; Tim Bayly</name>
        </author>
        <category term="Feminism" />
        <category term="Missions" />
        <category term="PCA" />
        
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em>(David)</em> I've known that the PCA's missions arm (MTW) has worked in cooperation with at least one egalitarian national church in Europe for several years now. I hadn't known until Douglas Wilson brought it to light in <a href="http://www.dougwils.com/index.asp?Action=Anchor&amp;CategoryID=1&amp;BlogID=6682">this post</a> that our engagement with this particular body has led to our giving it a newly-planted church so that it could immediately place a woman pastor (and her husband) in its pulpit.</p><p>Tim's and my dad once wrote that Billy Graham's practice of delivering new converts to Roman Catholic churches for discipling was like Christ giving His disciples to the Pharisees for training. Despite what I'm sure are similarly noble intentions, aren't we doing essentially the same thing in the PCA here?</p></div>
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    <entry>
        <title>Register now for ClearNote Fellowship's conference, Standing in the Gap, July 10-12...</title>
        <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/BaylyblogOutOfOurMindsToo/~3/KRouAWl0gv8/register-now-for-clearnote-fellowships-conference-standing-in-the-gap-july-1012.html" />
        <link rel="service.edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.typepad.com/t/atom/weblog/blog_id=1265854/entry_id=68315733" title="Register now for ClearNote Fellowship's conference, Standing in the Gap, July 10-12..." />
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        <id>tag:typepad.com,2003:post-68315733</id>
        <published>2009-06-21T15:25:00-04:00</published>
        <updated>2009-06-20T19:55:45Z</updated>
        <summary>(Tim) Two conferences to call your attention to: First, online registration is now up and running for the Christ Church conference, Sexual Orthodoxy, to be held October 15-16 in Moscow, Idaho. Doug Wilson, Ben Merkle, and I will be addressing...</summary>
        <author>
            <name>David &amp; Tim Bayly</name>
        </author>
        <category term="Food &amp; drink" />
        <category term="Helpful things" />
        <category term="Music" />
        <category term="Reformed theology" />
        <category term="Reformed world" />
        
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><a href="http://nebti5.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d09d69e20115703f654a970c-pi" style="float: right;"><img alt="SexualOrthodoxy" border="0" class="at-xid-6a00d83451d09d69e20115703f654a970c " src="http://nebti5.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d09d69e20115703f654a970c-320pi" style="margin: 0px 5px 5px 0px;" title="SexualOrthodoxy" /></a><em>(Tim)</em> Two conferences to call your attention to:</p><p>First, online registration is now up and running for the Christ Church conference, <em><a href="https://christkirk.com/Ministerial/">Sexual Orthodoxy</a></em>, to be held October 15-16 in Moscow, Idaho. Doug Wilson, Ben Merkle, and I will be addressing subjects such as: The Politics of Sodomy; Why Women Make Better Women Ministers than Men Do; The Politics of Fruitfulness; Family Government in the Church; Patriarchalism, Good and Bad; Sentimentalism and the Feminine Ethos; and Abortion: The Blood Sacrifice of Egalitarianism. Mary Lee and I hope we'll see you there!</p><p><a href="http://nebti5.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d09d69e20115703f7051970c-pi" style="float: left;"><img alt="StandingintheGap" border="0" class="at-xid-6a00d83451d09d69e20115703f7051970c " src="http://nebti5.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d09d69e20115703f7051970c-320pi" style="margin: 0px 5px 5px 0px;" title="StandingintheGap" /></a> Second, <a href="http://www.clearnotefellowship.org/2009ConferencePass">online registration</a> is also available for another conference I'll be speaking at soon--July 10-12--here in Bloomington, Indiana. (<a href="http://www.clearnotefellowship.org/sites/default/files/Conference_Brochure_0.pdf">Download the brochure.</a>) Please make plans now to join us here in Bloomington for the ClearNote Fellowship conference, <em><a href="http://www.clearnotefellowship.org/Resources/">Standing in the Gap</a></em>. Message titles include, Who Will Stand?; Fight or Flight--True or False Contextualization; Cheap Grace; and Worship Wars.</p><p>We plan a refreshing time of fellowship, teaching, food, and worship of our Triune God. The whole family is welcome--we'll be child-friendly as well as childcare being provided. I hope you'll register now and plan to be with us.</p><p>If you'd like more information, please feel free to e-mail (Mrs.) Ali Trout at churchoffice at shepherdchurch dot com. Or give her a call, Tuesday through Friday, at (812) 825-2684.</p><p /></div>
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    <entry>
        <title>With gratitude to God</title>
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        <id>tag:typepad.com,2003:post-68325111</id>
        <published>2009-06-20T23:48:46-04:00</published>
        <updated>2009-06-21T03:51:04Z</updated>
        <summary>(David) I often tell the people of Christ the Word that if they're happy with me as their pastor they have only themselves to blame. Find a worthy husband and you'll usually find a great wife. Find a faithful pastor...</summary>
        <author>
            <name>David &amp; Tim Bayly</name>
        </author>
        
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em>(David)</em> I often tell the people of Christ the Word that if they're happy with me as their pastor they have only themselves to blame.</p><p>Find a worthy husband and you'll usually find a great wife. Find a faithful pastor and you'll usually find a great church which has incubated and formed her pastor. Sure, it's a symbiotic relationship--pastors also form churches. But it's almost impossible to overstate the influence godly, faithful church members have in the lives of their leadership. </p><p>And so it is with this blog as well. <br />
</p>
<p>Tim and I might as well be writing a broadsheet for a grocery store if it weren't for the great men and women who really are the glory of this blog. Your names aren't on the top, but you do most of the really great writing here. When we step out on a limb in faith you defend us. You make our points better than we do. We deeply appreciate you. And in particular, in recent posts on the blog, I've appreciated Kamilla and David Gray, David Curell and Josh Congrove, Adam Spaetti and Don Alexander, PCA Friend and TUAD. I could name others, but these have blessed us in recent days and to them we owe our thanks both as owners of the blog and as recipients of their wisdom.</p></div>
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        <title>An odor. Is it perfume?</title>
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        <id>tag:typepad.com,2003:post-68291913</id>
        <published>2009-06-19T16:06:31-04:00</published>
        <updated>2009-06-19T20:56:35Z</updated>
        <summary>(David) Reading this summary of this week's Presbyterian Church in America General Assembly by my friend, Joel Belz I thought rather sadly to myself, "He's whistling in the dark." The news of closely divided votes on issues where there should...</summary>
        <author>
            <name>David &amp; Tim Bayly</name>
        </author>
        
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em>(David)</em> Reading <a href="http://byfaithonline.com/page/pca-news/joel-belz-closing-comments-on-the-37th-assembly">this summary</a> of this week's Presbyterian Church in America General Assembly by my friend, Joel Belz I thought rather sadly to myself, "He's whistling in the dark."</p><p>The news of closely divided votes on issues where there should be no division, of "prominent PCA churchmen" playing nice with each other while pretending to debate important ecclesial and theological issues, of 1100 PCA elders sashaying the streets of Disney World to the 2.4.2.4 meter of "The Spirituality of the Church" as American courts legalize sodomite marriage is (what should I say? disturbing? mesmerizing? droll?) at the very least, typically southern presbyterian.</p><p>
</p>
<p>I fear the PCA began with one foot half-in-the-grave arising, as it did, from southern, tall-steeple conservativism. And now that the buddy network has allied itself to Kuyperian cool, both feet are dangling. </p><p>There's increasingly little question where the PCA is headed: to the Land of Nice. To the place where oily Askers of Questions are debated with gentlemanly decorum by backslapping good old boys and the only fly in the ointment is the occasional barking, probably rabid, dog on the outskirts of town.</p><p>Read the comments on<a href="http://byfaithonline.com/page/pca-news/overtures-committee-says-no-to-study-committee-on-womens-roles"> this PCA news item</a> to see where the PCA is really headed....</p></div>
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    <entry>
        <title>God has placed eternity in their hearts....</title>
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        <id>tag:typepad.com,2003:post-68238829</id>
        <published>2009-06-18T09:25:09-04:00</published>
        <updated>2009-06-19T14:57:46Z</updated>
        <summary>(David) Regular readers of this blog may be wondering about the source of the recent storm of angry comments. These comments are the result of a link to our blog from an atheist/evolutionist blog. A few words about these comments...</summary>
        <author>
            <name>David &amp; Tim Bayly</name>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em>(David)</em> Regular readers of this blog may be wondering about the source of the recent storm of angry comments. These comments are the result of a link to our blog from an atheist/evolutionist blog.</p><p>A few words about these comments and their authors...</p><p>God's Word tells us that creation by itself, separate from revelation, so demonstrates
His reality and perfection that we are without excuse when we rebel
against Him. He has, in the words of Scripture "placed eternity in the
hearts of men."</p><p>Those who are commenting angrily on our blog are not God-deniers. The intensity of their hatred belies any claim not to believe in God. They understand and know God sufficiently to hate Him. God has placed the weight of eternity in their hearts and they suffer under it.</p><p>Tim and I have removed comments from the blog that blaspheme God. We will not permit His name to be dishonored here. We've left those comments that primarily attack us as men. </p></div>
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        <title>Jerram Barrs has done research; he's so brave; he's my man...</title>
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        <published>2009-06-17T23:22:25-04:00</published>
        <updated>2009-06-18T03:22:25Z</updated>
        <summary>(Tim) It's a great help to have Jerram Barrs continue at his post at Covenant Theological Seminary. But not for the reason you'd think. Rather, because having him such a prominent voice representing Covenant's commitments and vision gives fair warning...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em>(Tim)</em> It's a great help to have Jerram Barrs continue at his post at Covenant Theological Seminary. But not for the reason you'd think.</p><p>Rather, because having him such a prominent voice representing Covenant's commitments and vision gives fair warning what kind of education men and women don't get there...</p><p>
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<p>Likely they'll believe, similar to Mr. Barrs, that the church's problem today is women being treated as third-class citizens. Men, threatened by competent women, trying to make the lives of their wives and mothers and daughters miserable. Women's gifts being wasted by little men scurrying around trying to shore up the walls of patriarchy.</p><p>Such terribly original thoughts does Mr. Barrs have?</p><p>What world does this man live in? And who taught him how to read his culture? Certainly not the man he claims to speak for, Francis Schaeffer.</p><p>But then Franky has claimed to speak for his Dad, too.</p>

<p>Anyhow, if you needed to take the measure of contextualization at Covenant Theological Seminary just now, read <a href="http://byfaithonline.com/page/in-the-church/seeing-women-through-gods-eyes">this interview</a> in the PCA's <em>byFaith</em> magazine.</p></div>
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        <title>A very light, well-priced, hardy laptop with a killer battery...</title>
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        <published>2009-06-16T11:02:36-04:00</published>
        <updated>2009-06-16T15:02:36Z</updated>
        <summary>(Tim) Through the years, I've owned more Apple computers than I can keep track of, and at least fifteen of their laptops. Some months back I traded in a 15" MacBook Pro for the then-new 13" aluminum MacBook. It's been...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em><a href="http://nebti5.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d09d69e201157119fecc970b-pi" style="float: right;"><img alt="21QjlhHv6tL._AA280_" border="0" class="at-xid-6a00d83451d09d69e201157119fecc970b " src="http://nebti5.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d09d69e201157119fecc970b-120pi" style="border: 2px solid black; margin: 0px 5px 5px 0px;" title="21QjlhHv6tL._AA280_" /></a> (Tim)</em> Through the years, I've owned more Apple computers than I can keep track of, and at least fifteen of their laptops. Some months back I traded in a 15" MacBook Pro for the then-new 13" aluminum MacBook. It's been the best laptop I've ever owned, and I say that despite being about to receive a new 13" MacBook Pro from Apple because of the problems I've been having with it. The upgrade is, of course, at no cost and you can all learn the lesson that it's dangerous to buy the first iteration of a new computer body. But fear not, my problems are not documented on the web as being shared with many others.</p><p>It scared me to go to a smaller screen but my aged eyes have not experienced any additional challenges with the 13" screen. It was worth it for the smaller footprint and (especially) lighter weight. I take the computer everywhere and my elbow is quite happy having shed the weight of the 15" Macbook Pro. So weight, speed, screen quality, keyboard, great glass trackpad, long battery life, smaller and lighter AC adapter than the MacBook Pro, extreme ease of adding RAM or switching out the hard drive, low price, all topped out with the absolutely bulletproof aluminum unibody casing; all have made me a happy camper.</p><p>Still, there are two things I haven't liked... 
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<p>First, despite my guess that I'd not miss it, it's been a pain not to have the backlit keyboard. Although I touch-type, there have been many times when I've been in the dark searching for a particular key and had to resort to tilting the screen back towards the keyboard to find it. Second, I think I'd prefer a matte screen. Most times I like the glossy one, but there are times when I've been working outside and was really annoyed by the glare.</p><p>But here are several reasons I'm pleased Apple is shipping me the upgraded 13" Macbook Pro released last week. In addition to the things I already liked about my 13" alum MacBook, the upgraded <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001P05NKG?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=davtimbayouto-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B001P05NKG">Apple MacBook Pro MB990LL/A 13.3-Inch Laptop</a>  is even better. Apple has upgraded the LED panel for an LCD backlit glass display. They've also upgraded the processor and video card. The old ExpressCard slot has been exchanged for an SD (Secure Digital) slot now standard on the 13" MacBook Pro. (SD cards are what most digital cameras use.)</p><p>The old 4 1/2 to 5 hour battery that could be recharged around 300 times has been replaced with a new lithium-polymer battery rated at 7 hours and 1,000 charging cycles. Firewire 800 has been put back in. And now the MacBook Pros ship with backlit keyboards. So I'm happy.</p><p>Then, this morning, TidBits <a href="http://db.tidbits.com/article/10344">broke the news</a> that the new MacBook Pros also will be able to boot off an SD (Secure Digital) card. This will be a great boon when trouble hits.</p><p>All this to say, if you can live with carrying around an Apple logo, I've never used more appropriate technology than this new 13" MacBook Pro. But then, when I travel I stay at Marriott properties, so you see I'm no stickler for tightly parsing coporate identities.</p></div>
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        <title>More on disembodied brains at worship...</title>
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        <published>2009-06-15T09:19:39-04:00</published>
        <updated>2009-06-15T13:18:51Z</updated>
        <summary>(Tim) Under the post dealing with the discipline of the soul through the body, a brother asked these questions: It sounds like you all are saying that those who raise their hands in worship are somehow more spiritual than those...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em>(Tim)</em> Under the post dealing with the discipline of the soul through the body, a brother asked these questions:</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">It sounds like you all are saying that those who raise their hands in worship are somehow more spiritual than those who don't. At the very least the people who raise their hands are portrayed here as somehow more mature than the counterparts who don't. Can you not be a Pharisee if you worship with your hands raised or sitting quietly in the pew? It is the prayer of a righteous man that avails much, not necessarily the prayer of the man with upraised hands, if you get my drift.

Personally in my prayers at home I may kneel, raise my hands etc., but at church I tend to be more reserved, not wanting to draw attention to myself.</p><p>What I'm saying is not that those who raise their hands, kneel, and stand in corporate worship are more spiritual, but that raising of hands, kneeling, and standing is obedient to Scripture, taught and practiced by the Reformers, gives glory to God, and is a needed discipline for our souls. I suppose such statements could be construed as making the case that those who have repented of being disembodied brains in worship are more spiritual... 
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<p>But, if so, teaching and calling others to practice almost anything in worship--or really, in all of life--could equally be construed as spiritual pride.</p><p>As to whether or not those who follow Scripture and the Reformers by bringing bodily disciplines back into worship think themselves more mature because of it, I can't see how you've gotten that from the discussion? But to speak for myself, every time--and I mean every single time--I lift my hands in worship, I feel quite immature and childish. Then I am glad my hands are lifted because I remember our Lord warned us that our faith must be childlike if we are to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.</p><p>As to Phariseeism, it's all around us. No one holds a corner on it. And in this connection, keep in mind that the improper use of a tool does not invalidate its proper use. The question isn't whether preaching or prayer or standing or kneeling or lifting of hands can be abused in worship, but whether these are proper disciplines for worship. The reformers said so and I believe they are right.</p><p>Finally, about reserving bodily disciplines for home and privacy, and not corporate worship lest we call attention to ourselves: I'm convinced that it's time to reverse this equation. We should be allowed to neglect our bodies at home, where we don't have worship leaders, but not at church where the elders lead us and know our weaknesses. In other words, I'm working for the day when the man who doesn't kneel and lift his hands and stand during worship will call attention to himself.</p><p>Why?</p><p>Because my own pastoral diagnosis is that pride is the besetting sin of the hearts in our doctrinal fellowship. And it is excellent discipline for men with such a condition to stand, kneel, and lift hands in a childlike gesture to our Heavenly Father as we worship Him.</p></div>
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        <title>Five alarm fire...</title>
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        <published>2009-06-13T14:52:25-04:00</published>
        <updated>2009-06-13T18:52:25Z</updated>
        <summary>(Tim) Six Flags, the owner of our nation's largest amusement parks with Bill Gates one of its major stockholders, has filed for bankruptcy. Undoubtedly, our non-federal government will take immediate action to nationalize this national treasure, assuring that our entertainment...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em>(Tim)</em> Six Flags, the owner of our nation's largest amusement parks with Bill Gates one of its major stockholders, <a href="http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2009/06/08/daily57.html">has filed for bankruptcy</a>. Undoubtedly, our non-federal government will take immediate action to nationalize this national treasure, assuring that our entertainment stupor will continue to serve as the foundation of our pliability and compliance.</p></div>
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        <title>John Calvin: Lifting hands helps "jolt us out of our laziness" in worship...</title>
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        <published>2009-06-12T17:41:41-04:00</published>
        <updated>2009-06-12T21:41:41Z</updated>
        <summary>(Tim) One commenter (who, from charity, shall remain nameless) commented under an earlier post that he considered the discipline of lifting hands and kneeling in prayer to be unworthy of reformed worship. Maybe a sort of pietistic emotional manipulation? "So...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em>(Tim) </em>One commenter (who, from charity, shall remain nameless) commented under an earlier post that he considered the discipline of lifting hands and kneeling in prayer to be unworthy of reformed worship. Maybe a sort of pietistic emotional manipulation?</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;"><em>"So lifting hands is wrong? Why? Who said so?"<br /></em></p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;"><em>"Well, any idiot can see it's those nasty Pentecostals and charismatics who do that sort of thing! Ugh! Who wants to be mistaken for a charismatic? Or a Vineyard type? Ugggghhhh!"</em></p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;"><em>"So we don't do it because we don't want to have anyone think we're Pentecostals--is that it?"</em></p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;"><em>"Well, no; of course that's not the only reason. There are lots and lots of reasons, but I can't spend all day telling you something you should know without thinking. Lifting hands is wrong. End of story. No self-respecting, proud, cerebral, Old School Presbyterian slothful in worship would ever be caught dead lifting his hands in prayer! Now, stop bothering me. I have more important things to do with my time than argue with you!"</em>
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<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;"><em>"But I wasn't arguing. I was only trying to find out where it says in the Bible, or where Calvin says, it's wrong to lift our hands or kneel in worship. Is it wrong to ask questions?"</em></p><p>No, I don't mean to be mean in making up this dialog. But really, it's about time reformed men realize the reason charismatics lift their hands and kneel in worship and modern presbyterians don't is that somehow, somewhere, we lost our way and now think we're honoring Scripture and our spiritual fathers when in fact we're directly contradicting them.</p><p>Here's just a tiny smidgen of proof, showing why we, at Church of the Good Shepherd, ask our worship leaders to urge the brethren, by the mercies of God, to present their bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, as our spiritual service of worship.</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;"><em>"Bodies? Who said 'bodies?' The Bible teaches us to worship God 'in spirit and in truth.' What do bodies have to do with it?"</em></p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;"><em>"Ah, yes; you've run rings around me logically. I was certainly hoping you wouldn't make that particular point, but I can see that you're more than a match for me. So without further ado, I'll leave you to Calvin."</em></p><p>* * *</p><p>The inward attitude certainly holds first place in prayer, but outward
signs, kneeling, uncovering the head, lifting up the hands, have a
twofold use. The first is that we may employ all our members for the
glory and worship of God; secondly, that we are, so to speak, jolted
out of our laziness by this help. There is also a third use in solemn
and public prayer, because in this way the sons of God profess their
piety, and they inflame each other with reverence of God. But just as
the lifting up of the hands is a symbol of confidence and longing, so
in order to show our humility, we fall down on our knees. (John Calvin, Commentary on Acts 20:36)</p><p>Lifting up pure hands As if he had said, “Provided that it be accompanied by a good conscience, there will be nothing to prevent all the nations from calling upon God everywhere. But he has employed the sign instead of the reality, for “pure hands” are the expressions of a pure heart; just as, on the contrary, Isaiah rebukes the Jews for lifting up “bloody hands,” when he attacks their cruelty. (Isaiah 1:15.) Besides, this attitude has been generally used in worship during all ages; for it is a feeling which nature has implanted in us, when we ask God, to look upwards, and has always been so strong, that even idolaters themselves, although in other respects they make a god of images of wood and stone, still retained the custom of lifting up their hands to heaven. Let us therefore learn that the attitude is in accordance with true godliness, provided that it be attended by the corresponding truth which is represented by it, namely, that, having been informed that we ought to seek God in heaven, first, we should form no conception of Him that is earthly or carnal; and, secondly, that we should lay aside carnal affections, so that nothing may prevent our hearts from rising above the world. (John Calvin, Commentary on 1Timothy 2:8) </p><p>As for bodily gestures customarily observed in praying, such as kneeling and uncovering the head, they are exercises whereby we try to rise to a greater reverence for God. (John Calvin, Institutes, III.20.33) </p><p>Let us take, for example, kneeling when solemn prayers are being said. The question is whether it is a human tradition, which any man may lawfully repudiate or neglect. I say that it is human, as it is also divine. It is of God in so far as it is a part of that decorum whose care and observance the apostle has commended to us. But it is of men in so far as it specifically designates what had in general been suggested rather than explicitly stated. (John Calvin, Institutes, IV.10.30) </p><p>...nothing prohibits a man who cannot bend his knees because of disease from standing to pray. (John Calvin, Institutes, IV.10.31) </p></div>
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        <title>Complaint against Metro New York Presbytery filed with General Assembly's Standing Judicial Commission...</title>
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        <published>2009-06-11T14:45:00-04:00</published>
        <updated>2009-06-13T16:36:18Z</updated>
        <summary>(Tim) Since Metro New York Presbytery chose not to grant three of the four amends sought by those filing a complaint against her previous action by which she endorsed woman deacons and men and women serving together in the diaconate,...</summary>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em>(Tim) </em>Since Metro New York Presbytery chose not to grant three of the four amends sought by those filing a complaint against her previous action by which she endorsed woman deacons and men and women serving together in the diaconate, without sexual distinction, the presbytery has now been taken before the Presbyterian Church in America's highest court, General Assembly's Standing Judicial Commission.</p><p>Here is the text of that complaint as it was filed.</p><p>Let us pray that God blesses the hard work these men are doing for the purity and peace of Christ's Bride, and her faithful witness to a world that hates biblical sexuality.</p><p>* * *</p><p style="font-size: 20px; font-family: Arial;">Complaint</p><p style="font-size: 20px; font-family: Arial;">TE Mark Robinson, et. al. vs. Metropolitan New York Presbytery </p><p>And now, this 4th day of June, 2009, come TE Mark Robinson and RE James Macbeth and complain against the action of the Metropolitan New York Presbytery (the “Presbytery”) taken on May 8, 2009 in denying certain amends requested in the complaint filed against the Presbytery by the complainants hereto on April 10, 2009. </p><p>The complainants allege that the Presbytery erred in denying TE Mark Robinson and RE James Macbeth’s requested amends and in so doing condoned substantial and continuing violations of certain provisions of the Constitution of the Presbyterian Church in America (“PCA”), especially those touching on the office of deacon and diaconal ministry. In support of said complaint the following is set forth...
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<p style="font-size: 20px; font-family: Arial;">Summary of the Facts</p><p>1. On March 13, 2009, the Presbytery adopted a resolution (the “March Resolution”) that affirmed as not in violation of Scripture and the Book of Church Order (the “BCO”) the practices of (i) abstaining from ordaining deacons while permitting men and women described as deacons or deaconesses to “serve as equal partners in diaconal ministry” and (ii) commissioning deaconesses to serve alongside ordained male deacons as “equal partners in diaconal ministry.” </p><p>2. The resolution stated, among other things, that such practices “do exist and have for some time among churches of good standing in our Presbytery.” </p><p>3. The resolution in its entirety reads as follows: </p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Therefore, be it resolved that the Metropolitan New York Presbytery; </p><p style="margin-left: 80px;">A) Recognizes that the diversity of practices listed above do exist and have for some time among churches of good standing in our Presbytery.</p><p style="margin-left: 80px;">B) Acknowledge that while certain tensions exist between this diversity of practice and the Book of Church Order, these practices are within the historic breadth allowed by this Presbytery.</p><p style="margin-left: 80px;">C) Acknowledge that ministers or sessions may hold and practice the following views referred to in the committee’s report above while being “in conformity with the general principles of Biblical polity” (3rd ordination vow, BCO 21-5 &amp; 24-6).</p><p style="margin-left: 80px;">1. Only men are ordained as deacons and they conduct the diaconal ministries of the congregation.</p><p style="margin-left: 80px;">2. Only men are ordained as deacons, yet Sessions select and appoint others-men and/or women-to assist the deacons in their work.</p><p style="margin-left: 80px;">3. Only men are ordained as deacons and women are selected and appointed by the Session to serve as deaconesses who assist the male deacons.</p><p style="margin-left: 80px;">4. Only men are ordained as deacons, yet the congregation elects women with the approval of the session to serve as deaconesses who assist the male deacons.</p><p style="margin-left: 80px;">5. Men are ordained as deacons and women are commissioned as deaconesses without ordination, though both the men and the women are elected by the congregation and serve as equal partners in the diaconal ministry.</p><p style="margin-left: 80px;">6. Both men and women serve as equal partners in diaconal ministry and are often described as “deacon” or “deaconess” though no one is ordained to this ministry.</p><p>4. On April 10, 2009, the complainants hereto and three other presbyters jointly and severally filed a complaint (the “April Complaint”) against the Presbytery wherein it was alleged that the resolution adopted by the Presbytery and the current practice of churches within Presbytery’s jurisdiction violated the Book of Church Order (“BCO”) in the following respects: (1) that a form of church government was condoned that undermined the form of government provided for in the Constitution of the PCA; (2) that those appointed to assist the deacons were confused with and/or supplanted the diaconal officers themselves; (3) that the practice of refusing to ordain anyone to the office of deacon improperly disregarded the office of deacon and ordination thereto and thereby precluded men from being sealed and set apart to an ordained office; (4) that the proper and legal procedures for amending the BCO were disregarded, in effect creating an unauthorized exception to the BCO for the Presbytery and the Presbytery’s churches; and (5) that the adoption process for the resolution was fundamentally flawed in that the presbyters had insufficient time to consider and weigh the merits of the proposal on such a controversial issue. </p><p>5. The April Complaint requested the following amends: </p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">1. That the New York Metropolitan Presbytery nullify, rescind, annul and/or retract the resolutions concerning diaconal ministry passed at its March 13, 2009 meeting;</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">2. That the New York Metropolitan Presbytery affirmatively adopt, by written resolution, a statement rejecting views 5 and 6 contained in such resolutions as contrary to the system of government required by the Constitution of the PCA;</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">3. That the New York Metropolitan Presbytery request each Session within its jurisdiction to evaluate the functioning of its Diaconate with respect to conformity to the Constitution of the PCA, particularly with respect to violations exemplified in the current practice of views 5 and 6 in the aforementioned resolutions; and</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">4. That the New York Metropolitan Presbytery direct churches within its jurisdiction that are in continuing violation of the Constitution through the practices reflected in views 5 and 6 to move into full conformity with the Constitution of the PCA in this matter by rejecting such practices and that the New York Metropolitan Presbytery offer assistance to sessions regarding the difficulties that may arise in the process of bringing their diaconal practices into full conformity with the Constitution of the PCA. </p><p>6. At the Presbytery’s May 8, 2009 stated meeting, the April Complaint was brought before the Presbytery.</p><p>7. TE Sam Andreades, Pastor of The Village Church, stated that The Village Church does not ordain anyone to the office of deacon and, out of respect for the denominational position on the office of deacon, that the church does not call anyone a “deacon.” Rather, The Village Church has a team of people that does the diaconal work of the church. </p><p>8. TE Andreades moved that the Presbytery approve the first amends and noted that accepting the other amends is asking too much without further study on the matter. </p><p>9. TE John Yenchko proposed an amendment to TE Andreades’s motion (the motion as so amended, the “Amended Motion”), adding a (i) pastoral plea to the complainants of the April Complaint to take the matter out of the church courts in consideration for the good faith promise that the Presbytery revisit the matter in the Fall and (ii) direction to the facilitating team to form a committee to study the matter.</p><p>10. TE David Miner, a signatory to the April Complaint, spoke in favor of the Amended Motion. </p><p>11. TE Mark Robinson, a signatory to the April Complaint, spoke against the original motion and Amended Motion on the grounds that they were disrespectful to the nature of the complaint, which warranted debate on the merits of the arguments as presented and a subsequent judgment in favor of the complainants.</p><p>12. TE Peter Wang spoke in favor of the Amended Motion on the grounds that to make all amends without due consideration of the merits would be to commit the same error as adopting the March Resolution, which was received without due deliberation. </p><p>13. RE Wade Speas, a signatory to the April Complaint, spoke in favor of the Amended Motion, expressing satisfaction that the resolution would be rescinded and further review of the matter would follow.</p><p>14. The Amended Motion passed by voice vote. The Amended Motion read as follows: “MSC that Metropolitan New York Presbytery respond to the complaint by adopting Amend # 1, and only # 1, namely rescinding the resolution concerning the Diaconal ministry passed at the March 13, 2009 meeting together with a pastoral plea to the complainants to withdraw the complaint as this Presbytery pledges in good faith to discuss the paper on the Diaconate and matters raised in the complaint; and that Presbytery direct the Facilitating Team to appoint a committee to lead a discussion on these matters.” (<em>Footnote 1</em>)</p><p><em>(Footnote 1: The precise wording of the motion is subject to final approval of the Presbytery’s minutes.) </em></p><p style="font-size: 20px; font-family: Arial;">Proposed Statement of the Issue</p><p>Did the Presbytery err on May 8, 2009 in failing to rule that the current diaconal practices described in the resolutions adopted by the Presbytery on March 13, 2009 were impermissible violations of the Constitution of the PCA and in denying the complainants’ requested amends 2, 3 and 4?</p><p style="font-size: 20px; font-family: Arial;">Proposed Judgment</p><p>Yes. The complaint is sustained.</p><p style="font-size: 20px; font-family: Arial;">Proposed Reasoning and Opinion</p><p>At its March 13, 2009 stated meeting, Metropolitan New York Presbytery adopted resolutions that officially recognized the legitimacy of certain current practices among churches within its jurisdiction. In particular, the resolutions affirmed as purportedly not in violation of the Book of Church Order the practices of (i) abstaining from ordaining deacons while permitting men and women described as deacons or deaconesses to “serve as equal partners in diaconal ministry” and (ii) commissioning deaconesses to serve alongside ordained male deacons as “equal partners in diaconal ministry.” On April 10, 2009, a complaint was filed with the Presbytery (the “April Complaint”) objecting to the adoption of the resolution and the unconstitutionality of the current practices described therein. The Presbytery granted the first of the requested amends—rescission of the resolution—without ruling on the constitutionality of the diaconal practices currently observed by churches within the Presbytery’s jurisdiction. The remaining three requested amends were not granted.</p><p>The questions presented by the April Complaint called for the Presbytery to rule on the constitutionality and permissibility of the diaconal practices that were described in the resolution and, as admitted in the resolution itself, are currently practiced by churches within the Presbytery’s jurisdiction. Although the first of the amends was purportedly granted—rescission of the March Resolution—it was granted without ruling on the constitutionality of the resolution. Many Presbyters had concerns about the manner in which the original resolution was passed and, therefore, had reasons for rescinding the resolution other than its unconstitutionality. However, the March Resolution was not objectionable merely because it was passed hastily; it was objectionable because its purpose was to bless the current diaconal practices of the churches within the Presbytery’s jurisdiction as in conformity with Scripture and the BCO. Notwithstanding the Presbytery’s good faith pledge to revisit the matter at a future time, the Presbytery, as a court, has in the meanwhile disposed of the complaint by granting only the first of the complainants’ four requested amends. As a procedural matter, the complaint is no longer before the Presbytery. The failure of the Presbytery to grant amends 2, 3 and 4 is a ruling that the current diaconal practices within the Presbytery are permissible and in accord with Scripture and the Constitution. In its disposition of the complaint, the Presbytery erred by continuing to condone a form of government that undermines the essential form of government set forth in the PCA’s Constitution.</p><p>The BCO, together with the Westminster Confession of Faith and the Larger and Shorter Catechism, form the Constitution of the Presbyterian Church in America. BCO Preface, III— The Constitution Defined. Part I of the BCO, under the heading “Form of Government,” recognizes and provides for, among other things, the offices of the church, and in particular the offices of elder and deacon. The importance of these offices is seen in that, according to the BCO, they are established by Scripture and all of the powers of the Church are administered through them. BCO 1-4 (“The officers of the Church, by whom all its powers are administered, are, according to the Scriptures, teaching and ruling elders and deacons.”). </p><p>The BCO does not explicitly state that each church is required to establish a diaconate. In fact, the BCO acknowledges that a church may be unable to constitute a diaconate and therefore provides that the duties of the diaconate devolve upon the ruling elders in such a case. BCO 5- 10; 9-2. However, far from supporting the view that the BCO permits an unordained diaconal body, this direction in the BCO makes clear that the duties incumbent on the office of deacon fall solely within the province of an ordained body. Significantly, the BCO does not make a concession in such cases for the service of the diaconate to devolve upon, for example, other unordained members of the church. Far from such hypotheticals is the present situation; the Presbytery is not suffering from churches without qualified men willing to serve as deacons. The BCO assumes that a church with members willing and qualified to serve on the diaconate will ordain such members to the diaconate. In the words of BCO 17-1, “[t]hose who have been called to office in the Church are to be inducted by the ordination of a court.” The BCO does not allow an unordained diaconate. A coherent and integrated system of diaconal organization is fully provided for in the BCO, with explicit provision made in BCO 9-7 for non-ordained persons to assist the diaconate in its work. The practices occurring within the Presbytery’s jurisdiction and authorized by the Presbytery’s March 13, 2009 resolution do not amount to permissible supplementing of the BCO, but rather a competing system of government. </p><p>A view holding that the diaconal provisions of the BCO may be supplemented to allow for the creation of a wholly unordained diaconate is only tenable if the BCO considers the diaconate outside the form of government established by the Constitution. Only in such a case could one argue that the BCO’s provisions regarding the diaconate are subject to substantial variation insofar as ancillary ministries of the church are not fully developed in the Constitution. However, the BCO is a constitutional document and it specifically identifies the office of deacon together with the office of elder as constituting the offices forming the PCA’s coordinated system of government. A primary purpose of a constitution is to set forth a system of government. In fact, the formation of government is the sine qua non of a constitution. Therefore, strict interpretation of the constitution is required in matters touching upon the offices comprising the government of the church. The explicit statements of the BCO further establish the importance of the PCA’s two-office system of government. In the chapter titled “Form of Government” the BCO states that “[t]he officers of the Church, by whom all its powers are administered, are, according to the Scriptures, teaching and ruling elders and deacons.” BCO 1-4. Separate chapters in the BCO are given to the offices of elder and deacon. BCO 8, 9. The office of deacon, not merely diaconal-related service, is ordinary and perpetual in the Church. BCO 9-1. For these reasons, failure to ordain qualified men as deacons, where such men are functionally serving as such in an unordained capacity, undermines the letter and spirit of the BCO.</p><p>A session’s authority over the diaconate in no way diminishes the office of deacon. That the BCO rightly places the diaconate under the authority of the elders is undisputed. BCO 9-2. However, deacons, though subject to the rule of elders, do not serve at the pleasure of elders. The primacy of the elders’ authority no more establishes that the office of deacon is unnecessary or subject to the prerogative of the elders than Christ’s plenary rule disestablishes his plenipotentiaries. The authority of office establishes those offices under its influence. Additionally, as stated in BCO 24-7, “[o]rdination to the offices of ruling elder or deacon is perpetual; nor can such offices be laid aside at pleasure; nor can any person be degraded from either office but by deposition after regular trial.” As one who holds the office of deacon holds a perpetual office, his office, though initially derived through a local church, has a distinct existence apart from any particular local church or the office of elder. </p><p>Creating within a church an unordained body of men and women given the titles “deacon” and “deaconess,” respectively, (or referring to both men and women as “deacons”) while ordaining no one to the office of deacon, is a de facto establishment of an unauthorized diaconate. Further, such a practice vests ecclesiastical power in a class of persons—women—not authorized to hold office or exercise ecclesiastical power. BCO 1-4 (“The officers of the Church, by whom all its powers are administered, are, according to the Scriptures, teaching and ruling elders and deacons.”); BCO 3-2 (“The officers exercise [ecclesiastical power] sometimes severally, as in preaching the Gospel, administering the Sacraments, reproving the erring, visiting the sick, and comforting the afflicted, which is the power of order . . . .”); BCO 7-2 (“In accord with Scripture, these offices [elder and deacon] are open to men only.”). Additionally, refusing the ordination of men to the office of deacon nullifies one of the two offices Christ generously gave His bride for the growth of His Kingdom. BCO 1-4; 3-5 (“The Church, with its ordinances, officers and courts, is the agency which Christ has ordained for the edification and government of His people, for the propagation of the faith, and for the evangelization of the world.”). Therefore, such practices functionally either abolish the office of deacon or seat women in the office of deacon. In either case, there is a substantial and continuing violation of the Constitution of the PCA. </p><p>The BCO, in diverse sections, unequivocally states that only men are qualified to hold the office/title of deacon. BCO 7-2 (“In accord with Scripture, these offices [elder and deacon] are open to men only”); BCO 9-3 (“To the office of deacon, which is spiritual in nature, shall be chosen men of spiritual character….”); BCO 24-1 (“[E]ach prospective officer should be an active male member who meets the qualifications set forth in 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1”). The provisions of these sections, far from being advisory in nature, set forth a view of the diaconate that is based on Scripture. In BCO 7-2, the male-only restriction of the office of deacon is said to be “in accord with scripture” and BCO 24-1 states such restriction alongside those qualifications set forth in Scripture. As stated in BCO 29-1, the Constitution of the PCA, of which the BCO is a part, is “accepted by the PCA as the standard expositions of the teachings of Scripture in relation to both faith and practice.” Whatever binding authority the BCO may have on this issue solely by virtue of its constitutional nature is only further established by references to Scripture in the very texts that principally relate to the matter under consideration. Further, the BCO is based on a system of Biblical interpretation shared by the PCA’s ecclesiastical communion in connection with which each presbyter submits to his brothers in accord with his ordination vows. BCO 24-6. The merits of diaconal practice must be evaluated, therefore, in light of such vows and in accordance with the BCO’s clarity and scriptural emphases in the areas of women officers and diaconal authority. </p><p>In a similar manner, statements to the effect that men ordained as deacons and women commissioned as deaconesses serve as “equal partners” in diaconal ministry serve to blur the distinction between the office of deacon and those assisting the diaconate and are therefore improper. The phrase “equal partners” conveys that the distinction between an officer of the church and those serving as non-officers is purely formal and serves no substantive purpose. It thereby undermines the office of deacon established by the BCO and makes it of no import. Emphasizing that non-ordained persons serving the diaconate are “equal partners” with the diaconate implies that there is no difference in the service rendered by the diaconate from that offered by others assisting in the diaconal work. This practice contravenes the BCO insofar as it treats the office of deacon and ordination thereto as having little or no value. The BCO, in contrast, states that “[t]he ordinances established by Christ, the Head, in His Church [include] . . . the ordination to sacred office.” BCO 4-4. </p><p>Additionally, failure to ordain qualified men to the diaconate prevents those men from exercising the calling and authority of their biblically-constituted and BCO-defined office. According to the BCO, the office of deacon is an office for which men are recognized as duly called and set apart by taking vows, the laying on of hands and prayer and by which men may be recognized as holding the office of deacon by other churches within the denomination. </p><p>The Constitution is binding on the churches within the PCA. Though the Constitution is not Scripture, much of the Constitution explicitly claims to derive from biblical teaching. Moreover, the PCA has bound itself together by means of these documents (including the BCO), believing that its Constitution represents “the form of government founded upon and agreeable to the Word of God.” BCO Preface—II. Preliminary Principles. Careful attention must therefore be taken to avoid diminishing the BCO’s dependence on Scripture. In the realm of judicial process, careful attention is given to single words of the BCO. If this degree of attention is paid to sections of the BCO which are in many cases tangential to the provisions of Scripture, no less attention is required of sections of the BCO which are explicitly said to derive from Scripture itself. If churches within the Presbytery believe that the BCO is overly restrictive or not in accord with Scripture, the BCO itself provides the remedy: an amendment to the Constitution. BCO 26-2. By permitting the continued practices described in the resolution, the Presbytery has, in effect, allowed a functional amendment to the BCO. Such action marginalizes those members of Presbytery whose affiliation with the PCA is predicated, in part, on the system of government agreed upon in the Constitution and forgoes deliberative denominational discussion on the matter for which very purpose the amendment process was designed. </p><p>For the reasons set forth above, the Presbytery is instructed to consider the complaint again in light of the impermissible unconstitutionality of the practices of (i) abstaining from ordaining deacons while permitting men and women described as deacons or deaconesses to “serve as equal partners in diaconal ministry” and (ii) commissioning deaconesses to serve alongside ordained male deacons as “equal partners in diaconal ministry.” </p><p>Complainants ask that this complaint be sustained. </p><p><br />TE Mark Robinson</p><p><br />RE James Macbeth</p></div>
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<div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p><em>(Tim)</em> I have a close friend who hated <a href="http://www.baylyblog.com/2009/06/making-all-things-ready-for-the-coming-days.html">what I recently wrote</a> concerning music and Christian worship--and particularly <a href="http://www.myspace.com/thegoodshepherdband">some of the anthems written</a>, but more generally the leadership of our hymn singing, by our Good Shepherd Band. His name is Robert Patterson and there are few men I enjoy pursuing truth with more than Bob. This means we argue. Rarely in person, but often by e-mail and ocassionally, when things need to get really heated, by phone. Sometimes we put aside arguments and switch to name-calling. Bob's appellation of choice for me is something along the lines of "pietistic new-schooler;" other times, it's "pragmatic, tasteless baby-boomer." Happy to reciprocate, depending upon my mood I call Bob an "aesthete" or a "prig." Of course, neither of us has ever doubted the other's respect and love.</p><p>With that context, I'm promoting here as a main blog entry several of the comments responding to an argument Bob valiantly started under my recent post, <a href="http://www.baylyblog.com/2009/06/making-all-things-ready-for-the-coming-days.html">"Preparing for persecution: two concrete steps to take</a>." This particular argument was one of the most helpful I've ever been privileged to see developing on this blog... 
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<p>If you're able, don't miss each contribution to that discussion. But if you're not, I've cut and pasted some of the best comments made there.</p><p>So, with that introduction, here are a few of Bob's salvos, along with a couple excellent responses.</p><p>Whatever else you read, don't miss the end of this post where you'll find Josh Congrove's essay. Josh is a doctoral candidate in classics here at Church of the Good Shepherd. Mary Lee and I love him for many reasons, not the least of which is that he used to come over to our house of an evening and play hymns on our piano for Aunt Elaine. During Lord's Day worship Josh has been known to accompany both the amplified band and the unamplified grand piano on flutes and a recorder he made himself out of PVC pipe from Lowes.</p><p>The other contributor--new dad Philip Moyer--will be introduced later. First, then, Bob's opening salvo...
</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">The
equation of contemporary music--which is designed root and branch for
performance rather than congregational singing--with the Reformer's
insistence on worship in one's tongue strains all logic. For starters,
the mass-mediated camp songs of the boomer generation reflect all the
cultural disorder that Church of the Good Shepherd seeks to avoid. Its
rejection of the musical heritage of the church, particularly the
Protestant hymnody of Isaac Watts and Charles Wesley, robs believers of
a critical resource for living in difficult times.</p>

<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Insistence on quality music and good hymnody is not elitist any more
than insistence on trained ministers who can rightly preach and
adjudicate the Word of God. Ironically, the very choice of commercially
driven music like CCM has little to do with a Christian understanding
of culture or forms, but a utilitarian calculus that evaluates music
for pragmatic reasons--because it allegedly draws a crowd, not because
it is inherently better. If Church of the Good Shepherd really valued
good congregational singing, it would never replace organ and piano
with electric guitars and drums. If we take public worship as something
that is really important (as we do for weddings, funerals, and
Christmas Eve), the latter forms simply do not work. What young bride
wants to walk down the aisle to a Top-40 tune?</p>

<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">As Ken Myers has argued cultural forms are not neutral: You change
the music, you change the theology. A congregation that has been
nurtured on vibrant congregational signing and the Trinity Hymnal would
never be satisfied anything less.</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Bob Patterson</p>

<p>Bob got some excellent rejoinders to this initial comment, so he followed up with another:</p><div class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">

Re words:<span style="font-style: italic;" /><br /><span style="font-style: italic;" /><br /><span style="font-style: italic;" />Almost any selection of the Trinity Hymnal, like "The King of
Love My Shepherd Is" to the tune of St. Columba, is far superior to
anything penned by the British heart throb, Stuart Townendy. I could go
on and on: nothing on the chorus scene compares lyrically to hymns like
Our God Our Help in Ages Past, Glorious Things of Thee Are Spoken,
Praise My Soul the King of Heaven, I Greet Thee Who My Sure Redeemer
Art, or Thine Be the Glory. I'll even include the more recent hymn by
Margaret Clarkson, We Come O Christ to Thee.<br /><br />Not only is conventional hymnody better when it comes to words, it
is better structurally and musically. The structure of hymnody
separates the words (the hymn) from the music (hymn tune) in such a way
that the music submits to the words. Contemporary music, which our dear
friend Paul Lusher considers "feminine" in attributes, has no such
flexibility. The music tends to dominate and the words become
secondary.<br /><br />Conventional hymnody, which Paul says is masculine in attributes, is
also superior aesthetically. Of course, the PC dogma of
multiculturalism cringes at such a thought. But doesn't common sense
and what the Westminster divines call "the light of nature" cringe at
the idea of adopting the genre of American Idol for the public worship
of the Living God? Have we lost our minds?<br /><br />God's people deserve something better that what pop culture feeds
them. They need cultural forms that reflect the beauty, form, and order
of God's creation. Aesthetics and doctrine are not as easily separated
as you presume. You sound almost gnostic in suggesting that musical
forms do not really matter. We are embodied creatures. Likewise,
doctrine is embodied in form, structures, and ritual. To deny that some
forms are more suitable than others for public worship seems to me more
an expression of the 1960s counterculture that holds established norms
and formality as autocratic and artificial. Tom Howard is exactly right.<br /><br />Tim, as much as I appreciate your theological and social
convictions, I fear your music works against everything you are trying
to do.<br /><br />Bob Patterson<br /></div><p>Then, Philip Moyer entered the discussion. Phil formerly served on the music staff of Tenth Presbyterian Church (PCA) in Philly. Now, while pursuing his doctorate in choral conducting, Phil serves as our choir director and the drummer in our Good Shepherd Band. Phil responded to Bob as follows:</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Dear Bob Patterson,</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">I very much appreciate your argument and I agree with many of the
things you are saying. But I believe many of your assumptions about the
music we are doing at CGS are wrong.</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">There is seldom a song, chorus, or hymn in the CCM evangelical world
that Jody (the music director) or I (choir director and assistant to
Jody) are favorable to. We cringe at the very same things as you are
referring too. But to the statements you made above I have to ask, what
is “quality music and good hymnody”?</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Certainly at CGS we INSIST on quality music and good hymnody and it
is not elitist to insist on these things. But it is elitist to think
that “good congregational singing” cannot come of out of worship music
led by “electric guitars and drums.” I suffered from this kind of
pride. I was proud that I went to Tenth Pres. and worked on the music
staff along with my great friend and mentor Paul Jones. And I mocked
anyone’s music that was not traditional. I’m not sure if you have been
to Tenth, but if you have, you know how wonderfully their congregation
sings and how much gusto they have when they sing. The same is true of
our congregation here in Bloomington even with our second service being
a third the size of theirs. And additionally at CGS we are becoming
less and less ashamed of using our bodies in worship through clapping
our hands, raising our arms, and shouting “Amen.”</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Three years back when I visited CGS for the first time I witnessed
“contemporary” worship music different than any other I had ever
experienced. And I thought, “It can be done.” It was doctrinally sound
and had lyrical melodies that could be sung even with contemporary
musical idioms. Forms both musical and poetic are not lost in our
worship, but expanded. We don’t only use the strophic form that hymns
almost exclusively use. There is so much more freedom in Christ than
this. We use modern song forms, binary, ternary, da capo, etc. “Vibrant
congregational signing and the Trinity Hymnal” is exactly what we do.
The congregation may not know they are singing the Trinity Hymnal but
they are. It sounds to me judging by the list of hymns you mentioned
above that you are not opposed to the content of the music sung at CGS
but are opposed to our choice of instrumentation.</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">&gt;Tim, as much as I appreciate your theological and social
convictions, I fear your music works against everything you are trying
to do.</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Actually it is quite the opposite.</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">In Christ,</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Philip Moyer</p><p>Anything but a shrinking pansy, Bob redoubled his efforts:</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;"><span style="font-family: Arial;">I <a href="http://www.myspace.com/thegoodshepherdband">have listened to the CGS band</a></span> and I am not impressed. Unless I am missing
something, you take lyrics of great hymns and attempt to graft them
onto modern melodies. The two do not fit. It is like mixing oil and
vinegar. Or more aptly, it is like trading our Protestant birthright of
excellent hymn tunes for a mess of pottage of mass-mediated show tunes.
No wonder we are losing people to Roman Catholicism.

</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">My recommendation is that you visit Tenth Presbyterian Church of
Philadelphia on a Sunday morning or evening and you will be blown away
by the congregational singing. Tenth, not music that you find at a
Young Life rally, embodies the Reformed tradition at worship. Tenth has
seen no need to change her worship or music for decades. So I honestly
do not understand why Baby Boomers in many other places think they need
to radically alter the music and ethos of Protestant worship. But of
course, it's all about them. Rather than allowing the church to shape
them, they want to shape the church into their liking.</p>

<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Does anyone at CGS listen to Ken Myers's Mars Hill Audio Journal? Or
have you read John McWhorter's insightful book, "Doing Our Own Thing:
The Degradation of Language and Music and Why We Should, Like, Care"?
Both Myers and McWhorter might suggest that when it comes to music, CGS
seems to be no longer functioning as a normative institution--as a
church that sets the standard--but has accommodated itself to the
disorder of our age.</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Bob Patterson</p><p>Then, this masterstroke from Josh Congrove. I do hope readers have persevered thus far. If so, don't peter out now. This stuff is gold.</p><p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Dear Mr. Patterson,</p>

<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">The following lengthy comment I prepared before your last comment,
but I only now had a connection to submit it, so excuse any
misapprehensions. Thank you for your intelligent, straightforward, and
respectful exchange with us. I do look forward to meeting you in person
and discussing further sometime.</p>

<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Warmly,</p>

<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Josh</p>

<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">********<br />

Dear Mr. Patterson,</p>

<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">I don't believe we've ever met, so please forgive me in advance if I
make presumptions about you by these comments. I, too, appreciate much
of your argument and your concern and commitment to God-honoring church
music. Yet, as others have pointed out here, you have made a number of
presumptions in your argument that are ill-founded, both about the
music employed at CGS (Church of the Good Shepherd), and about the
constituent elements of church music in general.</p>

<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">As a preliminary, it will be helpful for you to know that I am far
from serving as a "yes-man" for the band here at CGS. My background
contains little sympathy for CCM music, and even far, far less for rock
music, which my family regarded as more or less inherently immoral,
rebellious, and God-dishonoring. And in fact, in our postmodern,
distinction-hating world, I do not despise, and indeed still have a
measure of respect for this position, though I no longer accept it in
its entirety (but that's another discussion). I have little love for
electric guitar, and great dislike for distorted electric guitar, which
I find obnoxious and caustic. I know by heart the four-part
harmonizations to hundreds of hymns, and I like little better than a
4-part hymn-sing accompanied with piano, organ, or a capella. I dearly
love each of the members of our band here, but I will just as readily
offer (hopefully constructive) criticism as I will commendation of a
particular musical arrangement that I find objectionable.</p>

<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">I say all these things not to boast, but to show that I have no
natural reason to defend contemporary music in any context here. And
yet, having said all that, I do accept and defend the philosophy that
guides the music here at Church of the Good Shepherd. I understand and
agree with the musical principles that undergird our worship, even if
occasionally I disagree with the implementation of those principles. In
an area such as music that so wonderfully bridges our hearts, spirits,
and minds, but whose affective power we struggle to trace or explain,
it is inevitable that we will disagree on musical decisions. Yet it is
the principles that govern worship that we most want to get right, and
we leave it to Christian charity to cover the disagreements that come
with their implementation. And so with this backdrop I must say that
charity demands that you argue with the principles that actually guide
worship music at CGS. Parts of your argument here reflect neither the
actual nature of the music employed here at CGS, nor the Scriptural
principles that inform it.</p>

<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">First, it is likely that very few of those who attend CGS would have
much sympathy with the majority of the CCM scene, and also likely that
fewer still would find the music played in our worship services to bear
much resemblance to that of the CCM scene. Indeed, were you to attend a
worship service here, it would be a fairly rare occurrence for you to
find a popular CCM song used in our congregational singing, and far
more likely that you would find a hymn of Watts and Wesley sung
(rarely) to a new tune, (often) to a new arrangement, or (occasionally)
to even a traditional arrangement. Seriously, to identify the music at
CGS with that of CCM because (for example) both incorporate guitars is
something akin to conflating an anthem by Henry Purcell with one by the
Gaither vocal band because both are in English and rely heavily on
tenors. </p>

<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Second, you assume that the musical approach taken here at CGS comes
out of a desire on our part to "draw a crowd" by appealing to the
commercially-driven tastes of those we wish to attract. I assure you,
this is far from the truth. Musical decisions, and particularly as they
relate to lyrical integrity, are not made from a "utilitarian calculus
that evaluates music for pragmatic reasons," but rather from a desire
to glorify God by leading His people pastorally into worship that
honors the true God, not the false one that much of CCM has imagined.
Honestly, if our goal is to draw the biggest crowds, we have failed
utterly, for often the music sung here drives more people away than it
draws. There is little that is commercially utilitarian about it.</p>

<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Third, while I agree with you about the need for doctrine to be
expressed in "form, structures, and ritual," your arguments imply that
communicating doctrine in a contemporary style inherently demolishes
form and structure. On the contrary, consider the elements of both form
and structure that remain in our contemporary music: melody, often
contained in a standard 8-bar pattern; harmonies, generally triadic and
simple in nature, and a homophonic structure that incorporates simple
chord progressions with a long pedigree in Western music. Indeed,
though it's true one can make the argument that contemporary music is
at times slavish in conforming to regular patterns, it's difficult to
claim that it represents a hatred of form and structure.</p>

<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Fourth—and this is the nub of the matter—though you seem to hold
that contemporary music militates against established norms, I believe
your larger point actually grants implicitly that contemporary music
conforms to standards—but to standards that you consider artistically
inferior to those of traditional forms. Indeed, much of your argument
here turns on the notion that church music should incorporate
structural elements that are better than what the pop culture offers.
Thus your contention that we may be "trading our Protestant birthright
of excellent hymn tunes for a mess of pottage of mass-mediated show
tunes." I point out, in passing, that your opposition of excellence and
show tunes is hardly self-evident. Are there no excellent show-tunes?
Some of the composers of our "excellent hymn tunes" were hardly opposed
to writing the equivalent of "show tunes" in their time (Handel,
Mozart, and Haydn come to mind...).</p>

<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Having said this, I have no quibble with making and applying value
judgments to art in general, or music in particular. I do believe that
certain music is "better" (however we wish to define this) than other
music. Yet even if we grant your contention that the musical forms in
which hymns are traditionally sung are better than those of
contemporary music, it is one thing to admit this, and quite another to
declare that church music should only incorporate those elements that
are artistically superior. Such a contention owes more to Western
cultural aesthetics than it does to Scripture. The Bible says little
about the need for music to be artistically superior, and says much
about the need for God's people to worship from hearts that are humble
and joyful. God has been pleased through the centuries to inspire art
that ranks high on the aesthetic scale (St. Matthew's Passion) as well
as creations that never touch the sublime, never boggle our minds, and
yet express their devotion to God in humble, heartfelt ways ("What
Wondrous Love is This," "Were You There," etc.).</p>

<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">From a linguistic angle, had God been most concerned about artistic
value, Classical Greek, with its wondrous flexibility and elegant
structures, would have seemed the superior tool to use in communicating
Holy Scripture; instead, however, we find the NT written in Koine
Greek, a language of inferior aspirations and impoverished forms. But
is it not God's practice to show His incomparable excellence by using
lowly earthly vessels? Has He not chosen the foolish things of this
world to confound the wise? I am not denying a place for high or
superior art, whether in music or in literature, and indeed the NT does
contain passages that at times reach for sublimity. But to insist that
church music only be of the highest aesthetic caliber is to force a
straitjacket on worship that is foreign to the NT. God has created
elegant roses, to be sure, but He's also created common thistles, and
our gardens need room for both. Can we work in a pop genre without
buying into, as you say, the notions it embodies? Perfectly, no, since
living in the City of Man means all our work will be tainted with sin.
And yet this work, as difficult and peril-ridden as it is, is
necessary, so pray for us in this endeavor.</p>

<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">So, am I now a devoteé of contemporary rock music? By no means. Will
there be a rockin' recessional someday in my wedding? Categorically,
absolutely not—unless you think the Mendelssohn march rocks (as I
really do)! Will I ever enjoy singing hymns to drums and electric
guitars the way I used to love singing to a piano or organ? No, as I've
come to see, with a little sorrow. Am I saddened that four-part hymn
singing as we once knew it will soon become a thing of the past? Yes,
very much. But do I accept that traditional hymnody can be played with
guitars and retain its integrity, its power, and its conviction, all
the while doing so in a contemporary vulgar tongue? Yes, I do, and I
count it a joy to be able to follow (and work with, when I can) godly,
humble men who are so concerned for the purity of worship music, as
Jody, Phil, and the other men leading worship here are. But I echo the
thoughts of many others here: don't simply take my word for it; come
and see. Good things can come out of Nazareth!</p>

<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">And so our goal for the music here is to prepare men to live humbly
and rightly with their God in the face of persecution, and to do the
will of God in a world that is quickly passing away. It was nearly 300
years ago that Watts penned that immortal line that I'm sure you love
as I do, and that sums up so many of my thoughts on this passing world:
"Time, like an ever-rolling stream, bears all his sons away; they fly,
forgotten, as a dream dies at the op'ning day." We at CGS strive to
proclaim the glory of the God who is both our Help in Ages Past and our
Hope for Years to Come, and to communicate the riches of His glory in a
tongue that is accurate, humble, and concerned more with communicating
His Gospel than with achieving artistic excellence.</p>

<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Very sincerely,</p>

<p class="blockquote" style="margin-left: 40px;">Josh Congrove</p></div>
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