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		<description><![CDATA[Here are the (purposely vague) premises of all the novels my students wrote this semester. I have indicated the writer’s gender thusly: (Italics = Male writer, Regular = Female student), and I’ve grouped the descriptions to reflect the particular critique circles &#8230; <a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/05/07/what-they-wrote-about-this-novel-writing-teacher-reflects/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p>Here are the (purposely vague) premises of all the novels my students wrote this semester. I have indicated the writer’s gender thusly: <em>(Italics = Male writer</em>, Regular = Female student), and I’ve grouped the descriptions to reflect the particular critique circles I formed and placed them in. Meaning students in Class 1, Group 1 read each other’s manuscripts ONLY.</p>
<h3><span style="color: #800000"><span id="more-2143"></span>Class 1, Group 1</span></h3>
<ul>
<li><em>Sci-fi novel about revolution on Earth colony on Titan.</em></li>
<li><em>Sci-fi novel about man and android bromance. Huck Finn in space.</em></li>
<li>Fantasy novel. Squirrels, snakes, owls face civil war and obliteration of their peaceful land.</li>
</ul>
<h3><span style="color: #800000">Class 1, Group 2</span></h3>
<ul>
<li>Coming of age novel about two girls, childhood friends from different sides of the tracks.</li>
<li>Two college lovers reunite in their mid-20&#8242;s quite erotically. #20ShadesofGrey?</li>
<li>Mother-daughter story, mom wants to break the cycle, but the circle wants to be unbroken.</li>
</ul>
<h3><span style="color: #800000">Class 1, Group 3</span></h3>
<ul>
<li>Coming out in the 70&#8242;s, still feeling the effects in the here and now</li>
<li>Coming-of-age novel set in rural Indiana in the 70&#8242;s about a teenage girl whose parents abandon her. Survival story.</li>
<li>Female detective gets caught by the killer she pursues. Gritty, harrowing stuff.</li>
<li>Femme fatale snares men in her web, until one fights back. Thriller.</li>
</ul>
<h3><span style="color: #800000"> Class 1, Group 4</span></h3>
<ul>
<li><em>Best title: Completely Predictable Novel about Meaningless Experiences in Chicago (Actually the title is longer&#8230;)</em></li>
<li><em>House full of hipsters/recent college grads/artists/writers must face the future.</em></li>
<li>Epistolary novel, lifetime of letters written by a woman, a bit like <em>Fair and Tender Ladies.</em></li>
</ul>
<h3><span style="color: #800000">Class 2, Group 1</span></h3>
<ul>
<li><em>High-fantasy novel about a young man who learns he’s the true heir and the girl whose visions tell her she must help him.</em></li>
<li>In a small town shopping center, the lives (and fates) of a close-knit group of store employees become forever linked.</li>
<li>A half-elf/half-human boy and his other “half-breed” siblings leave on an epic journey and experience prejudice at every turn.</li>
</ul>
<h3><span style="color: #800000">Class 2, Group 2</span></h3>
<ul>
<li>A teenage girl discovers her scientist parents have turned her into something unimaginable, and she and her best friend must find a cure.</li>
<li>Young demon trapped in the human world, must go to work for “Men in Black” type organization.</li>
<li>Shadowhunters try to prevent the Apocalypse.</li>
</ul>
<h3><span style="color: #800000">Class 2, Group 3</span></h3>
<ul>
<li>Young love feels perfect but goes all wrong.</li>
<li>Girl travels across the country to attend Woodstock with the boy of her dreams. It’s perfect—until it all goes wrong.</li>
<li>Indiana girl takes care of everyone—her mother, her sister, her best friend—but finally learns how to take care of herself.</li>
</ul>
<h3><span style="color: #800000">Class 2, Group 4</span></h3>
<ul>
<li><em>Three-time lottery winner dies and leaves this in his will: Whoever builds me the best tomb gets all the money</em></li>
<li><em>Seven galactic criminals survive execution and come to terms with their crimes and pasts.</em></li>
<li><em>Occupy Movement as 1984-ish satire. 1% character + 99% character join forces.</em></li>
</ul>
<h3><span style="color: #800000">Class 2, Group 5</span></h3>
<ul>
<li><em>Gay man becomes politically active, loses his best female friend, hits bottom. Narrative + recipes + questionnaires</em></li>
<li><em>Elderly gay man is on his death bed. His husband gathers the family together. Told from 7 POVs as the clock ticks down.</em></li>
<li>High school girl struggles to survive her father’s violent nature—first all on her own, then with the help of friends.</li>
</ul>
<h3><span style="color: #800000">Some Observations </span></h3>
<p>I saw an uptick in the number of manuscripts with gay themes, subject matter, and/or characters.</p>
<p>I saw an uptick in the number of women students writing stories from a decidedly female perspective.</p>
<p>I saw an uptick in the number of novels that were largely commercial in premise, genre, and/or approach.</p>
<p>Remember: on the first day of class, I tell my students 1.) to write the book they want to write—no genre or subject matter restrictions, and 2.) they won&#8217;t have to show this manuscript to the whole class, just to me and a small group of sympathetic readers.</p>
<p><span style="color: #000000">This upticks + the removal of the &#8220;all-class workshop&#8221; indicates to me that my students took risks because they felt safe doing so.</span></p>
<p>Many of my female students say that they were “inspired” by the <em>Twilight </em>books. Only one or two meant this in a positive way. Most told me that the quality of the writing in <em>Twilight</em> convinced them that surely! they could write a novel as well or better.</p>
<p>The first time a female student told me this, I downloaded the <em>Twilight</em> saga to my Kindle. And realized that my student was almost right: she <em>did </em>write better, sentence for sentence. All she needed was a better grasp of plot and theme.</p>
<p>In their practice query letters, only a few of my students self-identified their novels as “literary.” Most said “commercial” or identified the specific genre in which they were writing.</p>
<p>In <a href="http://iamnoveling.blogspot.com/2012/04/response-8-genre-fiction-in-creative.html">one of our weekly online discussions</a>, my students expressed many opinions about the distinction between literary fiction and commercial fiction.</p>
<p>In some cases, they know the difference between literary and commercial, and they think such distinctions are bogus. But in other cases, they really don’t know the difference. Sometimes it’s because they haven’t read enough yet, haven’t been exposed to enough contemporary literary fiction that they LIKE.</p>
<p>I grew up in a small town in Indiana where the only place to buy a novel was the grocery store, which means that the only novels I really “saw” growing up were published, marketed, distributed as commercial fiction. Like many of my students, I didn’t know what literary fiction was until I went to college.</p>
<p><span style="color: #000000">I worry (perhaps too much) that the only reason my students don’t all self-identify as writers of literary fiction is that:</span></p>
<ol>
<li><span style="color: #000000">they believe they aren’t smart enough/good enough</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #000000">that people from places like Indiana don’t write the &#8220;great&#8221; books</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #000000">that to publicly declare their artistic aspirations would be to break the Cardinal Rule of the Midwest: <em>Thou shall not think too highly of oneself.</em></span></li>
<li>all of the above</li>
</ol>
<p>By teaching novel writing, I have realized that it’s not my job to turn my students into perfect replicas of me.</p>
<p>By teaching novel writing, I have learned much about my own long-standing, mostly unconscious prejudice toward commercial fiction. And I have come a long way in getting over it.</p>
<p><span style="color: #000000">To teach novel writing is to open the door to commercial fiction.</span></p>
<p>My students think too commercially too early. Some students came to me and said they wanted to change their premise because “my group said it was too YA” or “my group said this was too chick lit.”</p>
<ul>
<li><span style="color: #000000">These students were all women.</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #000000">No male students (that I know of) were told their novels were too YA or even too sci-fi.</span></li>
</ul>
<p>I purposely did not put the young women writing stories about love and relationships into the same group as the young men writing sci-fi and satire.</p>
<p>Many women were writing novels about young women whose primary goal was securing male love and affection. When I pointed this out to one young woman, she said, <strong>“Oh my God, my character is Bella! And I hate Bella!”</strong></p>
<p>If you teach novel writing and there are young women in the class, you must be familiar with these four names: <a href="http://thoughtcatalog.com/2012/an-imagined-girls-night-conversation-between-katniss-everdeen-hermione-granger-bella-swan-and-buffy-summers/">Buffy, Hermione, Bella, and Katniss</a>.</p>
<p>At least now, I understand the humor of the following exchange!</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Katniss:</strong> So, how was everyone’s week?</p>
<p><strong>Hermione:</strong> Oh, same old. Quidditch match, Ron being a whiny, emotional middle-child, a few random assassination attempts by the Dark Lord, saving Potter from certain doom. Y’know, the usual stuff.</p>
<p><strong>Buffy:</strong> I was saving the world.</p>
<p><strong>Katniss:</strong> I was also saving the world!</p>
<p><strong>Bella:</strong> I jumped off a cliff to get the attention of my ex-boyfriend.</p></blockquote>
<p>The two young men in Class 1, Group 4 are writing novels about love and relationships. But I did not describe their novels to you in that way to you, did I? All I said was:</p>
<ul>
<li><em>Best title: Completely Predictable Novel about Meaningless Experiences in Chicago (Actually the title is longer&#8230;)</em></li>
<li><em>House full of hipsters/recent college grads/artists/writers must face the future. </em></li>
</ul>
<p>Why didn&#8217;t I put these two men in the same group as the women writing novels about love and relationships? I don&#8217;t know the answer to these questions, <strong>but I definitely need to think about it. </strong></p>
<p>I showed a few students (male and female) this video of “<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLF6sAAMb4s">The Bechdel Test</a>,” which asks student to consider these questions:</p>
<ol>
<li><span style="color: #000000">Does your story contain at least TWO women?</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #000000">Do they talk to each other?</span></li>
<li><span style="color: #000000">Do they talk to each other about something other than men?</span></li>
</ol>
<p>This worked wonders.</p>
<p>I would separate my novel-writing students into three groups: 1.) those who are skilled at the story level but weak at the sentence level, 2.) those who are skilled at the sentence level but weak at the story level, and 3.) those who excelled at both.</p>
<p>My class focuses almost exclusively on the story level, but I make sure that those in Group 1 (the majority) know that they <em>must</em> work on their sentences if they want to be published.</p>
<p>The class is the hardest for those in Group 2, the kind of student who typically excels in a creative writing course, the kind who can write a great sentence but struggles with plot.</p>
<p><span style="color: #000000">I made sure that every single student in Group 3 knows they are special and talented.</span></p>
<p>When I described my class to a friend, she said, &#8220;Man, I feel sorry for you!&#8221; Seriously: you can&#8217;t read the first 50 pages of 28 still-raw novels with resentment or disdain. You&#8217;ve gotta find a way to be excited about them, or you&#8217;ll go insane.</p>
<p>I teach this course, Advanced Fiction, at Ball State pretty much every semester, sometimes multiple sections (capped at 15). I don&#8217;t know if I have it in me to teach it as &#8220;novel writing&#8221; every time, forever and ever anon. It&#8217;s incredibly difficult to hold that many novels in my head during the course of a semester.</p>
<p>However, I’ve spent <em>years</em> figuring out how to teach this course, and I feel like it’s finally working.</p>
<p><strong>Is there anything you&#8217;ve learned or observed? Please let me know. Thanks for reading, and have a great summer writing your Big Thing! </strong></p>
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		<title>My Students: Writing as Fast as They Can</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy Day</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want to introduce the two students who won the Total Word Count Challenge in my novel-writing classes: Sarah Chaney and Kayla Weiss. Each of these young women wrote over 42,000 words this semester, or about 3,500 words a week &#8230; <a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/05/02/my-students-writing-as-fast-as-they-can/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="a2a_dd a2a_target addtoany_share_save" href="http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http%3A%2F%2Fcathyday.com%2F2012%2F05%2F02%2Fmy-students-writing-as-fast-as-they-can%2F&amp;title=My%20Students%3A%20Writing%20as%20Fast%20as%20They%20Can" id="wpa2a_4"><img src="http://bigbigweb.com/cathyday/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/share_save_171_16.png" width="171" height="16" alt="Share"/></a></p><p>I want to introduce the two students who won the <strong>Total Word Count Challenge</strong> in my novel-writing classes: <strong>Sarah Chaney</strong> and <strong>Kayla Weiss</strong>. Each of these young women wrote over<strong> 42,000</strong> words this semester, or about 3,500 words a week for 12 weeks. What’s significant about this is that they were only required to turn in 2,250 words per week—an assignment called “Weekly Words” which <a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/02/12/weekly-words/">I talk about in detail here</a>—but they both exceeded that amount…and then some.</p>
<h2><span style="color: #800000">Observations</span></h2>
<p>I’d say that half of the students who took my class this semester walked in the door with a definite idea for a novel they very much wanted to write, and Sarah and Kayla were certainly in that group.</p>
<p><span id="more-2127"></span>I remember at the beginning of the term, Sarah came to my office and said how much she was looking forward to the course. For years, she’d been trying to figure it out on her own, and as much as she liked her writing classes, she hadn’t learned the one thing she thought she’d learn as a creative writing major: how to approach the writing of a novel.</p>
<p>Unlike past semesters, this term I broke the process of writing a novel down into its component parts (you can check out <a href="http://iamnoveling.blogspot.com/p/schedule.html">my syllabus here</a>), organized them into weekly units, and taught from a series of power point lectures.</p>
<p>I saw light bulbs going off over Sarah’s head quite often, but I noticed that Kayla hardly ever looked at me at all during my lectures. She just kept typing furiously. I asked her once, “Are you listening to me?” and she assured me yes, that she was taking notes. “The things you&#8217;re talking about help me understand what I need to do with my novel, and I want to write it all down while it’s in my head.” I believe her, but it would be hard to blame her for writing her novel during what I hoped were inspiring novel-writing lectures.</p>
<h2><span style="color: #800000">What were their novels about?  </span></h2>
<p>All my students had to write jacket copy and query letters for their works-in-progress, and this is what Sarah and Kayla’s novels are about.</p>
<div id="attachment_2128" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 250px"><a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/05/02/my-students-writing-as-fast-as-they-can/sarah-chaney/" rel="attachment wp-att-2128"><img class="size-medium wp-image-2128" src="http://cathyday.com/files/2012/05/Sarah-Chaney-240x320.jpg" alt="" width="240" height="320" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Sarah Chaney</p></div>
<p><strong>Sarah Chaney: 42,911 words</strong></p>
<p>Novel: <em>From My Perspective</em></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000">All Mati wants is to graduate from high school without doing the one thing her mother fears the most: getting pregnant. She wants to go to college, get married, start a life and then have a baby, which is the exact opposite of what her mother, Amy, did. </span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000"> Amy works three jobs to support Mati and struggles to find time to write, refusing to give up her dream to be a writer. Years ago, her family told her they&#8217;d cut her off if she had the baby, and as much as she loves her daughter, it&#8217;s hard sometimes to wonder if she did the right thing. All she wants is to save Mati from having to make the same hard decision. </span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000"> But when Mati is assaulted and becomes pregnant, all bets are off. Mati’s attempt to hide her pregnancy (and rape) is short-lived, and she finds her future and the future of her child dictated by her mother’s ultimatum. At the same time, Amy&#8217;s doctor delivers horrible news, which causes her to rethink the life she left behind and the dwindling possibility to live her own life. </span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000"> Now mother and daughter must untangle what it means to be a family in a world that emphasizes self-discovery and individuality. Can Mati figure out what she wants for herself, and will Amy be able to accept the unexpected ways in which life unfolds?</span></p>
<div id="attachment_2129" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 230px"><a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/05/02/my-students-writing-as-fast-as-they-can/wiess/" rel="attachment wp-att-2129"><img class="size-full wp-image-2129" src="http://cathyday.com/files/2012/05/Wiess.jpg" alt="" width="220" height="165" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Kayla Weiss</p></div>
<p>Kayla Weiss: 42,008 words</p>
<p>Novel: <em>Give Me A Sign</em></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000">James Warren is a father, a husband, a brother, and above all a Shadowhunter – a special breed of human descended from angels. Six years ago, James was leading a normal life with a normal job, completely unaware of the secret life he was meant to lead. </span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000"> The war between good and evil continues, with more and more Hunters falling in the line of duty. Alongside his brother, Will, his wife, Annie, and his guardian angel, Mel, James is the key to the Apocalypse. Now he must pick one side or the other. Good or evil.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000"> Now, after the death of a Hunter very near and dear to his heart, James slips into a dark depression, locking himself away from the rest of the Hunters in the farmhouse, plotting his own path in the Apocalypse. With one last swig from his bottle of whiskey, he walks out of the farmhouse, with no intention of returning, to face his destiny. Which side will James choose?</span></p>
<p>I&#8217;m proud of ALL my students this semester, but I thought I&#8217;d highlight these two for doing exactly what I asked them to do: start writing a novel as fast and as well as they could.</p>
<h2><span style="color: #800000">Runners up</span></h2>
<p>ENG 407-003</p>
<ul>
<li>Ryn Bailey: 35,630 words</li>
<li>Phoebe Blake: 35,244</li>
<li>Jordan Martich: 30,064</li>
<li>Maye Ralston: 29,433</li>
</ul>
<p>407-002</p>
<ul>
<li>Kellie Suttle: 37,634</li>
<li>Mo Smith: 35,118</li>
<li>Tyler Fields: 34,780</li>
<li>(so close! let&#8217;s call it a tie)</li>
<li>Erynn Ellsworth: 32,720 and Sarah Tadsen: 32,365</li>
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<p><span style="color: #800000">This is what I tell them.</span></p>
<p><span id="more-2112"></span>Relax. Nobody told me about any of this when I was an undergraduate. And very little of it when I was in graduate school, <a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/03/18/survey-results-2/">something I&#8217;ve discussed already here</a>.</p>
<p>The reason that undergraduate creative writing instruction is not focused on publishing is very simple: very few of you are ready for it right now. In my experience, a writing apprenticeship is about 5-10 years long. The timer starts the day you start taking writing seriously—meaning you stop thinking of writing as homework and start incorporating it into your daily life.</p>
<p>So, if very few of you are ready for it right now, why am I talking about it at all? Simple: because when you are ready, I won’t have time to explain this to you.</p>
<p>At least once a week, I get an email or message from someone I barely know who says, “I have written a book. How do I get it published?” I hate these messages. It’s like someone emailing a lawyer and saying, “I have decided to represent myself in a courtroom. Will you explain the legal profession to me now?”</p>
<p>“Publishing” isn’t something you can explain to anyone in an email, in 60 minutes or less, or in a blog post (<a href="http://janefriedman.com/2012/01/28/start-here-how-to-get-your-book-published/">although this one comes close!</a>). And it’s not the responsibility of your teachers to explain it all to you, to “teach you how to publish.” They are responsible for teaching you to write well. Nothing matters more than that. The presentations I give don’t teach you how to publish so much as they teach you how to begin thinking about it.</p>
<p>Why didn’t I talk about this sooner? My God, does your generation need even <em>more </em>reasons to obsess about the degree to which you “matter?”</p>
<p>You say things to me like:<span style="color: #800000"> “I just want to publish a book and hold it in my hand.”</span> Are you sure that’s all you want? Because these days, you can publish a book and hold it in your hands fairly easily. What I’m trying to talk about are all the different ways to publish. Only you can decide what it means to you to be <em>meaningfully</em> published.</p>
<p>Often, when you say <span style="color: #800000">“I just want to be published,”</span> what you mean is that you need the external validation of publishing. You need to be able to show others—your friends and family and your hometown enemies and your ex-partners—that you “made it.” This is a horrible reason to publish, and if publishing is all about proving something, then I predict you will rush things and make a mistake you’ll regret. And that you&#8217;ll have a nervous breakdown and/or become an alcoholic.</p>
<p>You say things to me like: <span style="color: #800000">“I need to find a job that relates to writing.”</span> When I ask you why, you say, <span style="color: #800000">“Because I want to be a writer.”</span> This is when I realize that you don’t know very much about how writers become writers. You don’t “become” a writer because of a particular degree or a particular kind of job, although, yes, being attached to a company or a school makes one feel legitimate more so than, say, selling cars or working in a law office or nannying or house painting or working as a geologist—which are all things that writers I know do (or have done) to pay the bills.</p>
<p>Let me emphasize this: the job you get after graduation has nothing to do with whether or not you are a writer.</p>
<p>Let me emphasize this: applying to (and being accepted into) a graduate writing program has nothing to do whether or not you are a writer.</p>
<p>You say things to me like: <span style="color: #800000">“But I just want to know if I can be a writer.”</span> And I want to say: First of all, why are you asking me? Nobody—no degree-granting institution, no teacher, no editor, no association—grants you the status of writer. You don’t need anyone’s permission to be a writer. You have to give yourself permission. It’s an almost completely internal “switch” that you have to turn on and (this is harder) keep on.</p>
<p>You say things to me like: <span style="color: #800000">“Show me how to succeed, how to build my platform, how to get an agent,”</span> and I want to say, “That is what I’ve been doing.” Because I’ve been teaching you to write well. All you control are the words on the page. Everything else is a crap shoot. Whether your work is ever published, where it gets published, if the book is reviewed, if anyone reads it or likes it, how your publisher will decide to represent and market it, what they put on the cover—none of that is in your control. The only thing you can do is sit down every day and give it your best. Some days resemble slow torture, but others will bring joy, what the writer Andre Dubus called “the occasional rush of excitement that empties oneself, so that the self is for minutes or longer in harmony with eternal astonishments and visions of truth.”</p>
<p>You say things to me like <span style="color: #800000">“How do I know if I am a writer?”</span> and I want you to watch the end of the other Capote movie, <em>Infamous.</em> Harper Lee’s character says:</p>
<blockquote><p>It’s true for writers too who hope to create something lasting. They die a little getting it right. And then the book comes out. And there’s a dinner, maybe they give you a prize and then comes the inevitable and very American question: ‘What’s next?’ But the next thing can be <strong>so hard</strong> because now you know what it demands.</p></blockquote>
<p>I’m 43 years old, and I thought that publishing a book meant I was a writer, but I was wrong. Convincing yourself each day to keep going, this means that you are a writer. The world will be sure to declare, “You matter, but you don’t. Wow, your work is exciting, but yours is old fashioned and dull.” What do you do when someone says, “Eh, you’re okay, I guess.” Do you stop? Or do you keep going? That’s the moment when you know whether or not you’re a writer.</p>
<p>You say things to me like, <span style="color: #800000">“Will you be disappointed in me if I stop writing,”</span> and I want to say, “No, of course not.” Coming to terms with whether or not you are a writer might take years, which will surely drive everyone who loves you crazy. Try to avoid this, if possible. If you keep going, you’re a writer. If you decide to stop, simply tell yourself, “Well, I guess that was something I needed to do,” and move on as peacefully as you can.</p>
<p>Don’t be a writer because you have something to prove. Don’t do it because you think writers are celebrities. They are not celebrities. Don’t do it because you think it will bring you a happy life. I’m sorry, but it won’t. You shouldn’t write because you want to create something lasting, although that probably surprises you, doesn’t it? What better reason could there be?  I’ve only found one good reason to sit on your ass for four months or four years, one good reason to give so much of yourself for so little in return, one good reason to create something that fewer and fewer people care about—and that’s simply because you want to.</p>
<p>You ask me, <span style="color: #800000">“Am I writer?”</span> and I say, “There’s only one way to find out. Write the book. And see what happens.”</p>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy Day</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[To my novel-writing classes, Next week, you’ll meet with your small group and talk about 25-50 pages of  your WIP (work-in-progress), the novels you’ve been working on this term. This is the moment when a lot of novels fizzle out, &#8230; <a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/04/03/how-to-talk-about-a-wip/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p>To my novel-writing classes,</p>
<p>Next week, you’ll meet with your small group and talk about 25-50 pages of  your WIP (work-in-progress), the novels you’ve been working on this term. This is the moment when a lot of novels fizzle out, but it’s also the moment when a lot of novels get a much-needed vote of confidence.</p>
<p>My book, <em>The Circus in Winter</em>, got that kind of boost back in 1993. <a href="http://cathyday.com/2010/10/20/maybe-its-not-a-bad-story-maybe-its-a-big-thing/">I describe that workshop in full here</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Forty-five minutes of productive discussion, and I walked out with pages of scribbled notes, stories crystallizing in my brain, and boom, I was off.</p>
<p>I was lucky.</p>
<p>Typically, students want <em>to prescribe</em>. They want to talk about <em>what’s not working</em>. It’s up to the instructor to create the default setting, to frame the workshop so that big things can be brought to the table and discussed meaningfully.</p></blockquote>
<p>That, my friends, is what I’m trying to do here: change the default setting, frame our small group discussions so that everyone walks out the door elated, not deflated.</p>
<p>In order to change the default setting, I’ve purposely placed you in groups of <strong>Potentially Sympathetic Readers.</strong> The people who like fantasy are reading each other’s stuff. The young women writing about relationships, they’re reading each other’s stuff. The sci-fi folks are reading each other’s stuff. Does it matter if the sci-fi folks would hate the novels about relationships, or vice versa? Not one little bit.</p>
<p>This week I asked you to share you fears about showing your partial to others. I’ve cut and pasted some of your comments, and provided my responses.</p>
<h2>What you&#8217;re worried about</h2>
<p><span style="color: #800000">“I&#8217;m worried about whether my story is good or not.&#8221; </span></p>
<p>It’s impossible to say whether a novel is “good” at this stage of the game. Readers might like the premise, the character, the idea, but there is no “good” or “bad” at this point. There are only possibilities.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000">“I have no qualms about showing my work in progress. The worst thing that can happen is you all hate it, right?”</span></p>
<p>Actually, you aren’t allowed to “hate” each other’s manuscripts. It’s too early to decide if you hate anything. The only reason you might is based on subject matter or genre, which is why I placed you in groups of Potentially Sympathetic Readers!</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000">“I feel like what I’m sharing with my group is the equivalent of the first scene/section of a short story.”</span></p>
<p>This is a wonderful analogy. It&#8217;s like being in a poetry workshop and getting the first stanza of a poem-in-progress.  Or being in a fiction workshop and getting the first page or two of a short story&#8230;dot dot dot.</p>
<p><strong>Typical Workshop Response</strong>: You’re mad at the writer for submitting something unfinished. What are you supposed to say? She didn’t even finish the darn story/poem! What a lazy bum! So you go off a little. The writer, who can’t say anything, takes her lumps, collects her critiques, and scurries out of the room.</p>
<p><strong>Small Group Response:</strong> You say, “Given what’s going on in this stanza/scene, here are three questions I have that I hope you will answer in this poem/story.” And the writer, who gets to speak, says, “Yeah, I’m going to do number 1 an 2, but where did you get the idea for number 3. I didn’t realize I was even talking about that…” etc.</p>
<h2>For people who write as scenes come to them</h2>
<p><span style="color: #800000">“I wrote a lot of good scenes I think. It&#8217;s just being able to string them all together that is throwing me off.”</span></p>
<p>If your manuscript is comprised of scenes without all the “connective tissue,” <em>simply tell your small group this</em>. Include a prefatory note at the top of the manuscript, or include a note between two scenes that says, “I need something to connect the last scene to this one. Any suggestions?”</p>
<p>Then the group can’t say to you, You have a lot of good scenes, but they don’t fit together. Because you have already admitted this. <em>Thus: pointing out this flaw is no longer the point. The point is: how might they be strung together?</em></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000">“I switched what I was writing at week 4, so I’m not entirely sure how much material I have to work with. I’m hoping that I have enough and I don’t have to use completely new material to make it to 25 pages. I think I have about 7 right now.”</span></p>
<p>I don’t know why this writer thinks he has just 7 pages, because I know I’ve read more than that each week. Maybe the writer has <em>the first 7 pages</em> and then various chunks from elsewhere in the book. Not necessarily sequential pages. This is fine. As long as we get something of an introduction or preface, <em>you can submit non-sequential pages, as long as you make sure you tell your group that you’re doing that, and you make sure that by the time of the final, you’ve got the first 25-50 pages nailed down as best you can.</em></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000">“I&#8217;m confused about what to include. We polish writing from the beginning of the novel, format it, and email it, but what if the writing that we have doesn&#8217;t follow a particular order? I have scenes from different areas of the novel that&#8217;s and now I have an ending, but they&#8217;re all rough drafts and scattered on a word document.”</span></p>
<p>Like I said above: it’s okay to show us disparate pieces as long as you try to have some kind of opening, and as long as you preface your manuscript with a note to the readers explaining that they are NOT reading sequential chapters.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000">“I think my biggest worry so far is the structure. I’m still unsure of how I want to break the novel up into chapters or sections, so I’m hoping for some feedback on that.”</span></p>
<p>Best way for a reader to help this writer is to say, “This what it was like for me to read this manuscript the way it’s currently structured,” and then describe it.</p>
<h2>For people who are writing a less-than-perfect &#8220;down&#8221; draft that they will fix &#8220;up&#8221; later</h2>
<p><span style="color: #800000">“I know the writing and language isn&#8217;t fancy &#8211; I haven&#8217;t taken the time to make it such, so I know that needs work. What I would really like to know is if my ideas are going in the right direction. Can you see this turning into something bigger and better with more work?”</span></p>
<p>To do a micro-editing job on this person’s manuscript would be a huge mistake. What this person wants and needs is some encouragement. To tell him that no, you can’t see this being a book would be—in my opinion—quite cruel. I’ve been teaching creative writing for 20 years, and I’ve read a lot of work, and I have never once said “No, this isn’t a good idea. Don’t tell this story.” It is not up to you or me to decide that for someone. It’s up to the writers themselves. There are those who DO think it’s their job to discourage writers, but I am not that person, and I don’t want you to be that person either.</p>
<p>I’ve had students who sat in my office and BEGGED me to tell them whether they had “it” or not, and I said, “It’s not up to me to tell you that. You have to figure that out for yourself.”</p>
<h2>For the masochists</h2>
<p><span style="color: #800000">“Often, I feel paranoid when people read something I do and don&#8217;t tell me what I did wrong, as it makes me feel like they are being too nice. By all means, rip my novel to shreds, if need be!&#8221;</span></p>
<p>Nobody&#8217;s ripping anybody&#8217;s anything. Readers, you’re not supposed to be “too positive” nor “too negative.” You’re supposed to be somewhere in the middle. How the writer interprets that approach is up to him.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000">“I&#8217;m looking for very critical feedback, the kind of stuff that you wouldn&#8217;t say to your closest friend. I&#8217;m not worried about feelings and pride, only honesty.”</span></p>
<p>I say it again: IT IS TOO SOON TO BE “HONEST” OR “HARSH” or &#8220;BRUTAL&#8221; WITH PEOPLE ABOUT THEIR NOVELS. I know that some of you are saying, “Rip me to shreds,” but what I’m saying is, according to all my research and experience, that is not the way a novel workshop works, esp. novels that have barely gotten started.</p>
<p><em>Note: If ever I am in a position to offer this course as a two-semester sequence, then I would step up the level of critique in the second class. </em></p>
<h2>For the fragile</h2>
<p><span style="color: #800000">&#8220;I&#8217;m terrified.&#8221; </span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000">&#8220;I&#8217;m not sure if I <em>ever</em> want to share my work publicly.&#8221; </span></p>
<p><span style="color: #800000">“I think it will be nice to have someone other than my good friends read it because I will get some writer’s advice instead of friendly advice. I need to know what to change, what works and what doesn’t.”</span></p>
<p>Readers, imagine that your job as a reader is to be both a writer AND a friend to the writer.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000">“I don’t typically share things that I am in the process of writing, except with a few select people. People I went to school with didn’t have the best attitudes toward my desire to write, and as a result I don’t tend to trust anyone with my writing. A professor is one thing – something I have become comfortable with &#8211; but students I’ve never met, never spoken to, and couldn’t pick out of a line-up is a totally different matter – something I am very uncomfortable with. If given the choice, I wouldn’t be sharing a partial with people I don’t know.”</span></p>
<p>Please know that the number one consideration I made when placing you in groups was that you’d get a sympathetic reading from that group of people. If I was wrong in how I made my selections, please let me know.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000">“I think that the feedback I will receive on it will greatly help me decide exactly what I want to do with the novel.”</span></p>
<p>This is a very good attitude to take.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000">“Since this is such a massive undertaking, I want someone to tell me what I need to change early on before it becomes to overwhelming to change.”</span></p>
<p>Ditto this.</p>
<h2>For those who are writing pages that are summaries or synopses of their novel, not real pages.</h2>
<p><span style="color: #800000">“My biggest worry about my story is that I am writing it in a compressed format. I know this can easily be changed through revision and expansion, but for me I feel it is easier to just get the story “down on paper” before worrying about expanding and lengthening.”</span></p>
<p><strong>It’s vital that you explain to your group what you are giving them!</strong> And if you’re the person reading this kind of manuscript, it’s vital that you be able to picture what they are synopsizing. Imagine that you are trying to decide if you want to watch a movie, and you read the synopsis of the plot off of IMDB or Wikipedia.</p>
<h2>For those who say they just don&#8217;t care</h2>
<p><span style="color: #800000">“I guess what it really comes down to is that I’m really pretty detached from my work. It’s still personal, and I still take pride in it, and I still get my feelings hurt a little when people say bad things about my writing, but I’m not totally emotionally invested in the work.”</span></p>
<p>A little detachment goes a long, long way. But don’t feel too detached!</p>
<h2>Remember that this class is about process, not product</h2>
<h2>Remember: we are not &#8220;workshopping&#8221; your WIP.</h2>
<p>The kind of “workshopping” you’ll be doing in your small group is fundamentally different. I talk about the difference between a typical workshop and a novel workshop <a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/03/11/david-haynes-producing-novelists-not-novels/">here</a>.</p>
<p><strong>In the typical workshop:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>You assume that you’re looking at a whole piece that has a beginning, middle, and end.</li>
<li>You read and “mark up” the manuscript on the sentence-level.</li>
<li>You assume that the manuscript is a “problem” and your job as the reader is to “fix” it.</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>But in a novel-writing group:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>You’re not looking at a whole piece.</li>
<li>You’re looking at something on the macro level, not the micro.</li>
<li>Your job is not to fix the manuscript.</li>
</ul>
<p>To be honest, the manuscripts you’re going to read will have many, many problems. So what? The whole point of writing a novel is that you have to flounder around quite a bit. So how can you fault someone for floundering? And how can you say, “Give it up, man,” when they’ve barely gotten started?</p>
<h2>In sum</h2>
<p><strong>Writers:</strong> Tell your readers how you need them to read what you’re giving them. It&#8217;s important to tell them in the manuscript itself, and during the discussion.</p>
<p><strong>Readers:</strong> Tell the writer what they want to know, and aim for a critical, but generous frame of mind.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[My plan was to release the survey results one question at a time via ruminative blog posts like this one on whether MFA programs are &#8220;anti-novel&#8221; or not and this one on the &#8220;professionalization&#8221; question. But I&#8217;ve changed my mind. Many people &#8230; <a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/03/22/novels-vs-stories-in-mfa-programs-survey-results/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="a2a_dd a2a_target addtoany_share_save" href="http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http%3A%2F%2Fcathyday.com%2F2012%2F03%2F22%2Fnovels-vs-stories-in-mfa-programs-survey-results%2F&amp;title=Novels%20vs.%20Stories%20in%20MFA%20Programs%20Survey%20Results" id="wpa2a_10"><img src="http://bigbigweb.com/cathyday/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/share_save_171_16.png" width="171" height="16" alt="Share"/></a></p><p><a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/03/22/novels-vs-stories-in-mfa-programs-survey-results/how-to-speak-like-a-data-scientist/" rel="attachment wp-att-2043"><img class="size-full wp-image-2043 alignleft" src="http://cathyday.com/files/2012/03/how-to-speak-like-a-data-scientist.gif" alt="" width="293" height="257" /></a>My plan was to release the survey results one question at a time via ruminative blog posts like <a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/03/06/survey-results-1/">this</a> one on whether MFA programs are &#8220;anti-novel&#8221; or not and <a href="http://cathyday.com//cathyday.com/2012/03/18/survey-results-2/">this one</a> on the &#8220;professionalization&#8221; question.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ve changed my mind. Many people wrote to me privately and said,<em> I want to see the results! I&#8217;m curious! </em></p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m going to be under the weather for the next few weeks.</p>
<p>So: here are the results of <a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/02/14/take-my-survey/">my Novel in MFA Programs survey</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14327516/AWP%202012/Faculty%20SurveySummary_02262012.pdf">The faculty results</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14327516/AWP%202012/Student%20SurveySummary_02262012.pdf">The student results</a>.</p>
<p>Tell me what you find interesting, surprising in these results, and when I&#8217;m back to my desk, I&#8217;ll talk about it!</p>
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		<title>Should we make it our business to teach the business of being a writer?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Writing as craft and writing as business Here&#8217;s the question I asked both MFA faculty and students on the survey. MFA programs should avoid &#8220;professionalization&#8221; and &#8220;business&#8221; issues related to the writing life, such as discussions of the market and &#8230; <a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/03/18/survey-results-2/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="a2a_dd a2a_target addtoany_share_save" href="http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http%3A%2F%2Fcathyday.com%2F2012%2F03%2F18%2Fsurvey-results-2%2F&amp;title=Should%20we%20make%20it%20our%20business%20to%20teach%20the%20business%20of%20being%20a%20writer%3F" id="wpa2a_12"><img src="http://bigbigweb.com/cathyday/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/share_save_171_16.png" width="171" height="16" alt="Share"/></a></p><h2><span style="color: #800000">Writing as craft <em>and</em> writing as business</span></h2>
<p>Here&#8217;s the question I asked both MFA faculty and students on the survey.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><span style="font-size: medium">MFA programs should avoid &#8220;professionalization&#8221; and &#8220;business&#8221; issues related to the writing life, such as discussions of the market and what sells.</span></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>And here are the results:</p>
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<p>No surprise there!</p>
<p>But check this out:<a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/03/18/survey-results-2/slide19/" rel="attachment wp-att-1993"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-1993" src="http://cathyday.com/files/2012/03/Slide19-600x450.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="450" /></a></p>
<p><strong>I was kind of blown away by how many faculty said false.</strong></p>
<p>This might surprise you: I selected TRUE. Let me explain that. And let&#8217;s talk about what we mean by &#8220;professionalization.&#8221;</p>
<h2><span style="color: #800000">Which business are we preparing them for: academia or publishing?</span></h2>
<p>I was trying to make a distinction between:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>academic</strong> professionalization of grad students <span style="line-height: 24px">(creating a CV, how to apply for academic positions, how to give a &#8220;job talk&#8221;)</span></li>
<li><strong>non-academic</strong> professionalization (creating a resume, how to write a query letter, synopsis, or book proposal, how to enter the publishing world).</li>
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<p>The former activity <em>almost</em> always happens in English departments, especially those with PhD programs. In my MFA program, the creative writers prepared themselves for the job market by going to meetings for PhD students on &#8220;How to enter the profession via the academic job search.&#8221; We creative writers translated for our own purposes (dissertation = book manuscript, etc.) and sought additional assistance from the CW faculty and writer friends a few years ahead of us. I got very little MFA-specific guidance in how to pursue academic employment, but I did get <em>something</em>, even if it was pitched to PhD&#8217;s, not creative writers.</p>
<p>The latter activity, non-academic professionalization, which we&#8217;ll call &#8220;How to get published,&#8221; or &#8220;What to do next,&#8221; sometimes happens in MFA programs, but not often in classes, per se. You&#8217;re more likely to find it happening in the co-curriculum (delivered via panels, visiting writers series, info sessions) or in one-on-one sessions between thesis advisee and adviser.</p>
<p>I got my MFA long ago in 1995, and back then, my program didn&#8217;t explicitly address any of these things:</p>
<ul>
<li>how to submit work to magazines</li>
<li>how to find an agent</li>
<li>how to pitch a nonfiction story to a national magazine</li>
<li>how to do a book proposal</li>
<li>how to apply for grants and fellowships</li>
<li>how going to writers&#8217; conferences might help me find new writing peers and possible blurbers</li>
<li>And I definitely didn&#8217;t learn anything about how to build and maintain a website or online presence. (It was 1995. We were barely using email then.)</li>
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<p>These days, I <em>do</em> talk about these things explicitly&#8211;at the end of my advanced undergraduate and graduate courses. If you check out the <a href="http://iamnoveling.blogspot.com/p/schedule.html">syllabus of my novel-writing class</a>, you&#8217;ll see that I teach them how to write a pitch, query, and synopsis. I show them how to format a book manuscript. I show them how to submit to literary magazines and how to learn from rejection. <span style="line-height: 24px"> </span></p>
<h2><span style="color: #800000">Dangling the Carrot</span></h2>
<p><span style="line-height: 24px"><a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/03/18/survey-results-2/carrot1/" rel="attachment wp-att-2057"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-2057" src="http://cathyday.com/files/2012/03/carrot1-150x111.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="111" /></a>If you encourage someone to embark on a big thing, dangle a carrot in front of them so they&#8217;ll finish it. </span>I tell my students, &#8220;If you keep writing this book and revise it and make it as perfect as you can, send it to me and I&#8217;ll see what I can do to help you.&#8221; A few weeks ago, one of my former undergrads got an agent who is going out with the novel my student started in my Senior Seminar. In this case, I was able to help a student directly, although most of the time, my help is more indirect, more like pointing former students in the right directions or encouraging them not to give up.</p>
<p>Why do so many apprentice writers give up writing? I think it&#8217;s because they don&#8217;t know what to do next. They don&#8217;t know what to do with the books we encourage them to write. They think publishing is a secret society, and they aren&#8217;t the right sort, they won&#8217;t get in. I say bullshit. I say <a href="http://janefriedman.com/2012/01/28/start-here-how-to-get-your-book-published/">read this</a>. I say let&#8217;s give them some agency, and I don&#8217;t mean a literary agent.</p>
<p>But I need to tell you this: I&#8217;m enormously conflicted about the fact that I do these things.</p>
<h2><span style="color: #800000">If writing is a business, should we teach marketing?</span></h2>
<p>Some people think that MFA programs should help students build an online presence. <a href="http://chronicle.com/blogs/profhacker/an-open-letter-to-new-graduate-students/26326">Last year in the <em>Chronicle</em>, Brian Croxall advised PhD students to do this</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium">&#8230;you want to start now in building an online profile so that you’ll like what they find. You can start by <a href="http://chronicle.com/blogPost/How-to-Google-Yourself-Effe/23035/">Googling yourself</a> to see what information is out there already. Then work to grab your own space on the web, whether it’s a blog, wiki, static website, or space on Twitter (or all four). In these spaces you should keep your updated CV, materials related to courses you’ve taught, first drafts of your work, or anything else to help colleagues and potential employers understand your research, teaching, and skill profiles. As <a href="http://chronicle.com/blogPost/WordPress-a-Better-LMS/23050/">guest ProfHacker</a> and friend Dave Parry wrote in a post on <a href="http://academhack.outsidethetext.com/home/2009/academic-branding-and-portfolio-control/">academic branding</a>, you want your profile to “demonstrate to the world what type of scholar you are, and what you do.” I personally recommend <a href="http://chronicle.com/blogPost/Being-Yourself-Online-of-u/22658/">using your real name</a>, as it will establish your online foothold that much more strongly.</span></p></blockquote>
<p>Do we really want to teach MFA fiction candidates how to create a website, how to understand the market they&#8217;re writing for, how to <em>brand themselves</em>? Do most MFA faculty even understand what that means?</p>
<p>Just thinking about this issue makes me itchy&#8211;because it&#8217;s a complete anathema to the way I became a writer, and yet, I know it&#8217;s incredibly important these days to be an &#8220;author-preneur.&#8221;</p>
<p>I work now with the <a href="http://www.midwestwriters.org">Midwest Writers Workshop</a>, a great conference in Muncie, Indiana. Last year, I was on the faculty and over a two-day period, I taught short sessions on craft, but because I was scheduled against sessions on HOW TO GET AN AGENT and HOW TO GET A MILLION TWITTER FOLLOWERS (I&#8217;m exaggerating a little), I spoke to a very small number of people. To address this problem, this summer, we created an entire block of nothing but craft sessions to emphasize how much the conferences values good writing AND learning the business.</p>
<p>The point is: Faced with the choice between an opportunity to learn how to be a successful, popular writer vs. an opportunity to learn how to be good, highly skilled writer, most people will choose the former. Do MFA programs really want to present even more opportunities for young writers to obsess about SEO or their Klout score?</p>
<h2><span style="color: #800000">If writing is a business, should we teach them how to stay in business?</span></h2>
<p>But on the other hand (can you tell how conflicted I am about this subject?!) given the state of the academic job market, how can we <strong>not</strong> offer some real-world survival skills to the hundreds of students we loose upon the world each year?</p>
<p>This is a very serious question.</p>
<p>And isn&#8217;t this at least part of the reason to offer instruction to fiction writers in how to write a novel?</p>
<p>And while we&#8217;re at it, how about teaching them how to adapt the novel into a screenplay or teleplay, as writers like Benjamin Percy and Dean Bakopoulos and many others have done?</p>
<p><a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/03/18/survey-results-2/publishing-e28090-or-how-to-get-out-of-grad-school-p1-3/" rel="attachment wp-att-2059"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-2059" src="http://cathyday.com/files/2012/03/publishing-e28090-or-how-to-get-out-of-grad-school-p12.gif" alt="" width="600" height="450" /></a>In a <em>Huffington Post</em> article last year, <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-joseph-davis/mfa-programs-_b_929183.html">Brian Joseph Davis suggested</a> &#8220;diversifying with more commercial applications of creative writing,&#8221; which would &#8220;balance practical skills with the no less important art of completely impractical, clever and beautifully unmarketable literary fiction writing.&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;d suggest including screenwriting, as some programs already do, or adding more new media courses. How about courses that prepare MFA grads for ghostwriting an unauthorized Hugh Laurie biography, one that earns them enough money to pay rent for a year so they can work on a novel?</p></blockquote>
<p>As a former MFA faculty member, I&#8217;m interested in anything that gives MFA students an opportunity to lead literary lives&#8211;however they choose to lead them. At the same time, I want to pose this question:<strong> Isn&#8217;t it hard enough to teach someone to read and write well in 2 or 3 years? Are MFA programs responsible for equipping graduates for all possible professional outcomes?</strong></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the answer to this question, mind you.</p>
<p>This will make me sound like a fuddy duddy, but I have to say it: as mentioned above, my MFA program didn&#8217;t professionalize me about the publishing world, and yet, here I am anyway. Everything I thought &#8220;being a writer&#8221; would mean in 1995 is completely different today, and I&#8217;ve adjusted.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that I think my students should &#8220;learn things the hard way&#8221; just because I did. Rather, I think the way is always hard, no matter what you do or how you prepare someone.</p>
<h2><span style="color: #800000">Meaningful anecdote</span></h2>
<p>Once, I was on a committee charged with reading alumni surveys. All undergrad English majors. One guy wrote to say he was very disappointed in his major because at his first high school teaching job, he was asked to teach <em>The Sun Also Rises</em>, &#8220;and you never made me read that book!&#8221; To which we responded, &#8220;Did you read any Hemingway? Did you read any Lost Generation writers? Did we teach you how to read a book critically, how to research things you don&#8217;t already know? Surely we did. Surely we can&#8217;t prepare you for the exact circumstance each graduate will face. We hope we taught you the most important thing: how to teach yourself.&#8221;</p>
<h2><span style="color: #800000">If writing is a business, so is creative writing instruction</span></h2>
<p>In the years ahead, MFA programs must decide whether or not to respond to these demands for more professionalization, more real-world, practical skills. Because they <em>will</em> start losing students: to the <a href="http://www.grubstreet.org/index.php?id=1285">Grub Street Novel Incubator,</a> to <a href="http://www.ashland.edu/graduate/mfa">low-res programs</a>, to courses (IRL and online) offered by<a href="https://lighthousewriters.org/workshop/index/page_id/20/"> independent centers</a> and <a href="http://www.barrelhousemag.com/?page_id=1060">literary magazines</a> and the <a href="https://continuingstudies.stanford.edu/courses/writersstudio.php">distance-education arms of major universities</a>, to the growing number of <a href="http://nebraskawriters.unl.edu/">writer conferences</a>, to <a href="http://www.deborahbogen.net/newsletter.htm">privately run writing groups,</a> to <a href="http://www.mcthebookmechanic.com/">critique sessions offered by writers.</a></p>
<p><strong>As creative-writing instruction goes, MFA programs used to be the only game in town. Now, they aren&#8217;t.</strong> If a young writer knows exactly what she wants and an MFA program can&#8217;t provide that, she will look elsewhere for those opportunities&#8211;and believe me, she will find someone ready to give her exactly what she wants.</p>
<p>What about you? What do you think? I&#8217;d really like to know, because as you can tell, I&#8217;m awfully conflicted on this issue. I&#8217;d also like to expand these thoughts and publish them. What other topics should I explore?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy Day</dc:creator>
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<p><a href="http://www.awpwriter.org/forms/confsurvey12/">Take the survey! You have until March 22. It&#8217;s important.</a> I filled it out the other day, and I found that I had so much to say in that little comment module I decided to cut and paste it into a document and share it with you. FYI: I also provided my email address on the survey, so I didn&#8217;t say all this stuff to them anonymously.</p>
<p><strong><span style="color: #800000">[Question 21. We welcome any additional comments, feedback, and suggestions you would like to share with us through this survey or at <a href="m&#x61;i&#108;&#x74;o&#58;&#x63;o&#x6e;&#x66;e&#x72;e&#110;&#x63;e&#64;&#x61;w&#x70;&#x77;r&#x69;&#x74;e&#x72;.&#111;&#x72;g"><span style="color: #800000">c&#111;&#x6e;&#x66;er&#x65;&#x6e;ce&#64;&#x61;&#x77;p&#119;&#x72;&#x69;te&#x72;&#x2e;or&#103;</span></a>.]</span></strong></p>
<p><span id="more-2004"></span>&#8211;YOU HAVE TO BOOK THIS CONFERENCE IN A SPACE THAT PROVIDES *FREE* WIRELESS INTERNET IN BOTH THE HOTEL ROOMS AND IN THE CONFERENCE PANEL ROOMS, BOOK FAIR, ETC. Seriously. You just have to. (I organized my panel thinking that the audience would have access to the web. They did not. And this sort of blows my mind a little.)</p>
<p>&#8211;Cancelling the Pedagogy Forum had the unfortunate result of putting some apprentice teachers who don’t have much to say yet in huge, largely empty ballrooms. Apprentice teachers need to meet and learn from other apprentice teachers. How can we better assist MFA students who are trying to professionalize themselves as teachers?</p>
<p>&#8211;The best panels I went to were comprised of people who’d prepared something to say, but kept it short enough so that a conversation could follow. I understand why AWP directs panelists NOT to prepare and read long papers, but I’d rather have that than off-the-cuff banter. I come to learn, not be entertained. I’m pleased to say that all the panels I went to were well-organized, and all but one was thoroughly engaging.</p>
<p>&#8211;Once upon a time, the acronym AWP stood for ASSOCIATION OF WRITING PROGRAMS, but at some point (I can&#8217;t find the year this happened), this was changed to include ASSOCIATION OF <strong>WRITERS AND</strong> WRITING PROGRAMS. This signaled an important (and positive) shift in the AWP&#8217;s focus and overall reach. While I&#8217;m REALLY happy that the independent publishing scene has a strong presence at the Book Fair, and I&#8217;m REALLY happy we offer top-notch, marquee-quality readings to the public, I often feel that the old &#8220;W&#8221; and &#8220;P&#8221; in AWP (WRITING PROGRAMS) gets short shrift in all the hoopla. Let me explain.</p>
<p>&#8211;AWP is the governing body of, the professional meeting of WRITERS IN ACADEMIA. I come to AWP in large part to recharge my batteries and engage with others <strong>in my profession.</strong> I go to other kinds of conferences and events to engage with <strong>writers in general.</strong> At AWP, I find that the panels devoted to pedagogy, program administrations, and other professionalization issues of importance to me are sparsely attended. This is not your fault, but by opening the door to WRITERS in general, which is a good thing, we also remove a lot of focus from the fact that WE ARE AN ACADEMIC DISCIPLINE.</p>
<p>&#8211;Seemingly, we want one foot in academia and one foot out, and there are benefits to this stance, but also some negative consequences, too.  To ameliorate those consequences, I suggest choosing two keynote speakers—a headliner, one who isn&#8217;t in academia (like Margaret Atwood) who can speak to the W=Writers crowd, and an opening act, one who IS in academia, who is publishing well AND <span style="text-decoration: underline">teaches well</span> AND who is or has run a program (like Charles Baxter, Michael Byers, Richard Bausch, Porter Shreve, Jesse Lee Kercheval, Lan Samantha Change, Sven Birkerts, Robin Hemley, A. Manette Ansay) who could speak to the WP=Writing Program crowd. You might say that the winner of the George Garrett Prize is this person, but that award is for “Community Service,” not for being a professional academic writer-teacher with things to say about that profession. <strong>If you&#8217;re worried that an address to the WP crowd will &#8220;alienate&#8221; the W crowd, I say, too bad.</strong> I truly believe that our discipline cannot gain better traction within academia unless we try harder to &#8220;discipline-ize&#8221; ourselves. The risk, yes, is that we become that which we hate, but we have chosen to ensconce ourselves in academia, and academia seems to be waiting for us to decide: <em>Are we in, or are we out?</em> How we orchestrate our conference demonstrates that commitment (or lack thereof).</p>
<p>&#8211;<strong>I believe in AWP</strong>. This conference, which I’ve been attending since 1998, has helped me grow as a writer and as a college professor. Thank you.</p>
<p>[Did you go to AWP? <a href="http://www.awpwriter.org/conference/survey.php">You should take the survey, too!</a>]</p>
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		<title>David Haynes: “My goal is to produce novelists, not novels.”</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 16:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is important: no matter what Chad Harbach and John Stazinski say, my little informal survey did NOT indicate that MFA programs concentrate solely on short stories. They are not &#8220;anti-novel.&#8221; At least not on purpose anyway. The perception that &#8230; <a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/03/11/david-haynes-producing-novelists-not-novels/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="a2a_dd a2a_target addtoany_share_save" href="http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http%3A%2F%2Fcathyday.com%2F2012%2F03%2F11%2Fdavid-haynes-producing-novelists-not-novels%2F&amp;title=David%20Haynes%3A%20%26%238220%3BMy%20goal%20is%20to%20produce%20novelists%2C%20not%20novels.%26%238221%3B" id="wpa2a_16"><img src="http://bigbigweb.com/cathyday/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/share_save_171_16.png" width="171" height="16" alt="Share"/></a></p><p><a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/03/11/david-haynes-producing-novelists-not-novels/haynes/" rel="attachment wp-att-1947"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-1947" src="http://cathyday.com/files/2012/03/haynes-132x150.jpg" alt="" width="132" height="150" /></a><span style="color: #800000">This is important: no matter what Chad Harbach and John Stazinski say, my little informal survey did NOT indicate that MFA programs concentrate solely on short stories. They are not &#8220;anti-novel.&#8221; At least not on purpose anyway. The perception that they are &#8220;against novels&#8221; (<a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/03/06/survey-results-1/"><span style="color: #800000">discussed here</span></a>) is a product of the fact that they try to fit novels into a workshop pedagogy that&#8217;s built to accommodate shorter forms.</span></p>
<p>A lot of people showed up for the panel &#8220;A Novel Problem&#8221; at AWP 2012. David Haynes told the packed room at the Chicago Hilton that it’s not just a question of whether or not individual instructors &#8220;allow&#8221; novel chapters to be brought to workshop. It’s this: <em>Do the primary pedagogies of workshop serve novel writing?</em></p>
<p>Exactly.</p>
<p><span id="more-1945"></span>Here is a summation of David’s excellent remarks, with a little elaboration by me.</p>
<h1><strong>The traditional workshop is predicated on:</strong></h1>
<p><strong>1.) The valorization of a “whole text.”</strong> Students are expected to submit a “complete draft” with a beginning, middle, and end. The only way we know to talk about the effectiveness of a workshop submission is for students to get those submissions as close to done as they can. If they don’t know how to end the story (which happens, oh, 90% of the time) they come up with <em>a provisional ending</em>. Even a provisional ending gives students something to discuss. Admit it: if a student turned in a piece that had a beginning, middle, and then…an ellipses, you&#8217;d probably be pissed. You&#8217;d think it was lazy, disrespectful. You&#8217;d think the writer expected you to end the story for them.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000">In a novel-writing class, you almost never submit a whole text. </span></p>
<p><strong>2.) A focus on sentences and line edits.</strong> In her essay “Shitty First Drafts,” writer Anne Lamott delineates between three different phases of the writing process: 1.) “the down draft” (get the ideas down), 2.) “the up draft” (take the shitty down draft and fix it up),  culminating in 3.) the “dental draft” (careful tweaking). In most workshops, we assume we’re reading something that’s gone through both the “down” and the “up” draft. Or we assume that students do “down” then “up” for each sentence or paragraph as they write. We read with pen in hand. We tweak and edit. We underline great images and sentences, bracket clumsy ones.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000">In a novel-writing class, too much focus on sentence-level concerns can detract from the larger concerns of scene and story. You might read 50 pages and never mark anything&#8211;even when you see things that could be marked. Students don’t always know how to respond to a manuscript in any other way except line editing. </span></p>
<p><strong>3.) The assumption that the text is a problem that must be solved, that something needs to be fixed.</strong> Students want to say, “I had a problem with…” They only see the problems. And often, there are <em>so many problems</em>. It’s hard for them to do this new kind of cognitive work—NOT fixing. Sometimes, students don’t know what else to say if it’s not to tell the writer WHAT’S WRONG.</p>
<p>David Haynes says it is more useful to consider these pedagogies instead.</p>
<h1><strong>A novel workshop is predicated on:</strong></h1>
<p><strong>1.) Focus on MACRO, not micro issues.</strong> Questions of structure, narrative design, pacing. Yes, by sacrificing time spent on the micro issues, some &#8220;bad writing&#8221; goes unaddressed. But &#8220;writing&#8221; isn&#8217;t just about what&#8217;s happening at the sentence level, but also what&#8217;s happening at the level of story. <strong>You must give that level primacy.</strong> Other courses in our curriculums focus on the micro. Novelists desperately need macro knowledge and skills.</p>
<p><strong>2.) Providing models that represent a range of forms</strong>. You must emphasize to students that the reading list isn&#8217;t about subject matter&#8211;it&#8217;s about forms and structure. Here’s a linear novel with a single first person narrator told in the present tense. Here’s a novel that employs multiple points of view. Here’s a novel that is non-chronological. Here&#8217;s an episodic plot, there a &#8220;mountain&#8221; plot.</p>
<p><strong>3.) Directive, not open-ended discussion</strong>. The instructor probably needs to control the conversation more than usual, Haynes said. Later that day, I heard the writer David Huddle talk about how easy it is to let a workshop have its way, to let “students learn from each other.” Students often balk at a more directed approach. I often get dinged for this in my evaluations. “She shouldn’t try to steer the conversation so much.” But when you&#8217;re trying to talk about a big thing, you have to keep the conversation purposeful, pointed, on target, or else it has a tendency to veer widely into unhelpful territory.</p>
<p><strong>4.) Predictive, not evaluative reading</strong>. You have to teach students how to do a “predictive” reading of the novel-in-progress. “What does this section suggest about what’s to come?” They often don’t know how to do this. If it’s not on the page, they don’t know how to talk about it. A great way to teach students how to read predictively: read the published novels a &#8220;half&#8221; at a time, focusing the first discussion on what students predict will happen in the second half. (Patricia Henley&#8217;s &#8220;Suspense&#8221; class does just that. <a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14327516/AWP%202012/Resources%20and%20Best%20Practices%20for%20Novel%20Class.pdf">Here&#8217;s the syllabus.</a>)</p>
<p><strong>5.) More focus on scene craft.</strong> You must focus on creating a vivid, continuous fictional dream. You must not focus on compression and summary, but rather expansion and dramatization. The first day of my novel-writing class, I gave my students a diagnostic exercise. I showed them a prose poem by Robert Hass, “A Story about the Body,” and asked them to write a dramatized scene (with dialogue) that featured the two characters meeting for the first time at the artists colony. About half of my students didn’t do this—they summarized the scene or wrote exposition. This is why the first unit in my class is on Scene, and I give them this mantra: <em>Think scene, not sentence</em>.</p>
<p><strong>6.) Instructor-selected (not student-selected) manuscripts</strong>. Typically, we let students decide what to show the workshop, but when dealing with a big thing, it might be a good idea to suggest particular parts to them rather than letting them choose. Especially fruitful are segments which contain major and minor turns in the novel.</p>
<p><span style="color: #800000">If any of these items strike you as somewhat blasphemous, then Haynes has made his point. Each of these pedagogies goes against some received and accepted notion about fiction workshop. Sometimes, you don&#8217;t realize the degree to which your workshop pedagogy is geared for short forms until you&#8217;re presented with pedagogies that favor long forms.</span></p>
<p>In five minutes, David articulated exactly what I’ve been trying to say for a year on this blog. [Sigh.]</p>
<p>Teaching novel-writing necessitates that we do more than simply “allow” novel chapters to be submitted to the story workshop. <em>We have to run the show in an entirely different way.</em></p>
<p>Today, in an email to me, David wrote: “My goal is not to produce novels but novelists, and this is where the complications come in related to the necessary ‘product’ at the end of the degree.”</p>
<p>Next time, I’ll share with you a summary of how Patricia Henley, Sheila O’Connor, and Elizabeth Stuckey-French have done just that. I’ll also share more results from the Survey Monkey survey!</p>
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		<title>Survey Results: 56% say MFA favors story over novel</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 01:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Cathy Day</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is possible to teach novel writing in MFA programs, and many do. My panelists (David Haynes, Patricia Henley, Sheila O’Connor, and Elizabeth Stuckey-French) prove it here, by sharing their syllabi with you. You&#8217;ve got everything you need to design your &#8230; <a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/03/06/survey-results-1/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="a2a_dd a2a_target addtoany_share_save" href="http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http%3A%2F%2Fcathyday.com%2F2012%2F03%2F06%2Fsurvey-results-1%2F&amp;title=Survey%20Results%3A%2056%25%20say%20MFA%20favors%20story%20over%20novel" id="wpa2a_18"><img src="http://bigbigweb.com/cathyday/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/share_save_171_16.png" width="171" height="16" alt="Share"/></a></p><p><strong>It is possible to teach novel writing in MFA programs, and many do</strong>. My panelists (David Haynes, Patricia Henley, Sheila O’Connor, and Elizabeth Stuckey-French) prove it here, by <a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14327516/AWP%202012/Resources%20and%20Best%20Practices%20for%20Novel%20Class.pdf">sharing their syllabi</a> with you. You&#8217;ve got everything you need to design your own novel-writing course. <span style="line-height: 24px">You’re welcome!</span></p>
<p><strong>Opening Remarks: &#8220;A Novel Problem: Moving from Story to Book in the MFA Program.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>About a year ago, I submitted an essay to <em>The Millions</em> titled, “The Big Thing: 10 Thoughts on Moving from Story to Book,” which the editors were kind enough to publish, but with a more provocative headline: “The Story Problem: 10 Thoughts on Academia’s Novel Crisis.”</p>
<p>The essay touched a nerve. I got a lot of reactions, from faculty and from students in both residential and low-res programs, and from people who opted not to pursue an MFA because they felt programs were “anti-novel.”</p>
<p>They are not alone in this opinion.<span id="more-1924"></span></p>
<p>In his essay “MFA vs. NYC,” writer Chad Harbach writes, “The MFA system also nudges the writer toward the writing of short stories; of all the ambient commonplaces about MFA programs, perhaps the only accurate one is that the programs are organized around the story form.”</p>
<p>In a recent <em>Poets &amp; Writers</em> article, writer John Stazinski featured Boston’s independent center for creative writing, Grub Street, and its new, year-long Novel Incubator. Stazinski writes that the program’s aim is to “fill a hole left by the near-exclusive concentration on the short story by traditional graduate workshops.”</p>
<p>I wondered, “Is it true? Are MFA programs “anti-novel?” I decided to find out <a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/02/14/take-my-survey/">via a survey</a> I sent to MFA faculty, students, and graduates. I got 36 responses from MFA faculty and 300 from MFA students past and present.</p>
<p>(Please remember that this was just an informal poll.)</p>
<p><strong>So: Do MFA programs discourage novel writing?</strong></p>
<p>Not surprisingly, the overwhelming majority of MFA faculty said, <em>No, I don’t discourage novel writing!</em></p>
<p style="text-align: left"><a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/03/06/survey-results-1/slide06/" rel="attachment wp-att-1925"><img class="aligncenter  wp-image-1925" src="http://cathyday.com/files/2012/03/Slide06-600x450.jpg" alt="" width="540" height="405" /></a>And—drum roll—the vast majority of students concurred. When asked, “Did anyone discourage you from workshop or working on a novel?” they said, “No.”<a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/03/06/survey-results-1/slide07/" rel="attachment wp-att-1926"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-1926" src="http://cathyday.com/files/2012/03/Slide07-600x450.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="450" /></a>But when presented with the Harbach quote and the question, “Is your program organized around the short story form?” the faculty (again) said, “No, it’s not,” and most students said, “Yes, it is.”<a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/03/06/survey-results-1/slide10/" rel="attachment wp-att-1931"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-1931" src="http://cathyday.com/files/2012/03/Slide10-600x450.jpg" alt="" width="600" height="450" /></a></p>
<p style="text-align: left"><a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/03/06/survey-results-1/screen-shot-2012-03-06-at-8-25-24-pm/" rel="attachment wp-att-1934"><img class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-1934" src="http://cathyday.com/files/2012/03/Screen-shot-2012-03-06-at-8.25.24-PM-600x470.png" alt="" width="600" height="470" /></a></p>
<p>So: what does this mean? Many students feel that their programs are organized around the short story&#8211;even when the faculty insist they don&#8217;t discourage novels, even when students themselves say, &#8220;I was not overtly discouraged.&#8221; Why the disconnect between what MFA programs THINK they are doing and what students PERCEIVE.</p>
<p>In my next post, I&#8217;ll summarize the comments of panelist David Haynes, who was not surprised by these findings. He told the audience that it’s not just a question of whether or not individual instructors &#8220;allow&#8221; novel chapters to be brought to workshop. It’s this: <em>Do the primary pedagogies of workshop serve novel writing?</em></p>
<p>More on that, the survey results, the comments of my other fine panelists, and notes from some of the other novel-writing/novel-workshopping panels I attended, in upcoming posts.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 12:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Cathy Day</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you&#8217;d like to teach a class in novel-writing but don&#8217;t know how, have no fear. My panel is here! David Haynes, Patricia Henley, Sheila O&#8217;Connor, Elizabeth Stuckey-French, and I have all taught the course, and we&#8217;ve compiled a Best &#8230; <a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/03/01/best-practices/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="a2a_dd a2a_target addtoany_share_save" href="http://www.addtoany.com/share_save#url=http%3A%2F%2Fcathyday.com%2F2012%2F03%2F01%2Fbest-practices%2F&amp;title=Novel-Writing%20Class%20Best%20Practices" id="wpa2a_20"><img src="http://bigbigweb.com/cathyday/wp-content/plugins/add-to-any/share_save_171_16.png" width="171" height="16" alt="Share"/></a></p><p style="text-align: left" align="center"><a href="http://cathyday.com/2012/03/01/best-practices/awp-association-of-writers-and-writing-programs-chicago2012/" rel="attachment wp-att-1865"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-1865" src="http://cathyday.com/files/2012/02/awp-association-of-writers-and-writing-programs-chicago2012-129x150.png" alt="" width="129" height="150" /></a><span style="font-size: medium">If you&#8217;d like to teach a class in novel-writing but don&#8217;t know how, have no fear. My panel is here!</span></p>
<p style="text-align: left" align="center"><span style="font-size: medium">David Haynes, Patricia Henley, Sheila O&#8217;Connor, Elizabeth Stuckey-French, and I have all taught the course, and <strong><a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14327516/AWP%202012/Resources%20and%20Best%20Practices%20for%20Novel%20Class.pdf">we&#8217;ve compiled a Best Practices handout</a>:</strong> syllabi, exercises, and other resources to guide you on your way.</span></p>
<p style="text-align: left" align="center"><span style="font-size: medium">Some of us focus on the early stages of writing a novel&#8211;generating ideas, writing a summary or treatment, studying published books as models, getting scenes on the page&#8211;while others focus on later stages and include all-group workshop of novels in progress. There&#8217;s 16 pages of material here, and we hope you find something that works for you.</span></p>
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