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version="7.00">Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>934</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-592320162515336115</id><published>2026-05-01T07:27:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2026-05-01T07:36:38.554-07:00</updated><title type="text">Two Ways to Build the Internet in Space -- China, Inc. vs Starlink et al</title><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;SpaceX has &lt;a href="https://www.compareinternet.com/blog/how-many-starlink-satellites-are-in-orbit-apr-2026/"&gt;over 10,000 working Starlink Internet satellites&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;in orbit today, and is far ahead of its&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/10/western-leo-satellite-internet-update.html"&gt;Western&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;and &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/09/chinese-leo-satellite-internet-update.html"&gt;Chinese&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;competitors, some of whom have not yet begun launching satellites. In my &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2026/03/how-many-internet-service-satellites.html"&gt;last
post&lt;/a&gt;, I estimated the number of satellites each constellation would have in
orbit at the end of the current Chinese five-year plan in 2030, and said one
could think of the three Chinese constellations as divisions of a
single enterprise, &lt;i&gt;China, Inc.&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;The Western approach of self-contained competitors has clear advantages. It
allows rapid deployment, tight control over performance, and independence from
other systems. The deployment of Starlink in Ukraine illustrates this point. On
February 26, 2022, &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/03/spacex-starlink-service-in-ukraine.html"&gt;Ukraine
requested Starlink service&lt;/a&gt;, and by the end of the day, service was activated, and terminals were en route. By March 19th,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/03/five-thousand-spacex-starlink-terminals.html"&gt;there
were over 5,000 terminals in the country&lt;/a&gt;, and there were 15,000 by June 9th.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;That’s the good news, but the bad news is that each provider
must build and operate its own full-stack constellation, leading to duplication and a lack of
global awareness. The Chinese approach to the Internet in space reflects their practice
of making decisions within the context of five-year plans; it is slower but
allows for a degree of optimization.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Rather than building multiple competing full-stack systems,
Chinese constellations implement a division of labor: Guowang (backbone and
sensitive government applications), Qianfan (general Internet service), and
Honghu-3 (direct-to-device, Earth observation, IoT, etc.). For example, in providing global airline or maritime
connectivity, Qianfan or Honghu-3 would both use Guowang for long-distance
traffic. In this emerging architecture, the Internet stack is distributed
across constellations. Instead of duplication, there is specialization and
coordination.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;The architectural difference becomes most visible in
routing. In the Western stand-alone systems, routing is internal in each. In the
Chinese layered systems, routing may span constellations, enabling system-level
coordination and optimization. This does not imply fragmentation of the
Internet, but it changes how traffic is managed and controlled.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;It also alters our interpretation of my estimates of how many satellites each constellation will have in orbit in 2030. My estimate was
that Starlink would have 16,083 satellites in orbit in 2030, far more than Western
and Chinese runners-up Amazon LEO with 2,729 and Qianfan with 5,217. However,
if we consider the Chinese constellations part of a unified, optimized collective
with 11,692 satellites, the gap is smaller.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg0AX-r7VWMIR1MyubJFNpfSV8dvDN5CiJ-8xuR_WQOCAXPw1MPNaneB7J3Y9wfkkh_cRAewT8lLVsO9A6i54Y-abTHbwUd246RTIygCYukC_hCYZc8E3o4fesFtbj6Aod6tGtRY0HZH6WhzCKgiu3YDjie3n6WpKlnLzTBWrSjTisZjCmwMTOcqw/s697/BRIvsStarlinkMarkets.png" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="571" data-original-width="697" height="273" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg0AX-r7VWMIR1MyubJFNpfSV8dvDN5CiJ-8xuR_WQOCAXPw1MPNaneB7J3Y9wfkkh_cRAewT8lLVsO9A6i54Y-abTHbwUd246RTIygCYukC_hCYZc8E3o4fesFtbj6Aod6tGtRY0HZH6WhzCKgiu3YDjie3n6WpKlnLzTBWrSjTisZjCmwMTOcqw/w333-h273/BRIvsStarlinkMarkets.png" width="333" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Note that&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: #121212;"&gt;&lt;span style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"&gt;, given today’s international political differences,&amp;nbsp;the potential &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/06/two-new-chinese-internet-service.html"&gt;markets for Western and Chinese connectivity differ&lt;/a&gt;, as shown in this Venn diagram of&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;the number and GDP of nations with Starlink connectivity, Chinese Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) projects, and both. The BRI projects tend to be in poorer nations, but there are more nations with BRI projects than with Starlink availability. The current&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://londondaily.com/tnrkrr-starlink-now-profitable-spacex-hits-major-milestone-with-11-8-billion-in-revenue" style="background-color: white; color: #336699;"&gt;success of Starlink&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: #121212;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;suggests that the market is large enough to support it and the Chinese constellations.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;Finally, in&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/24090454_The_Internet_in_India_and_China#fullTextFileContent" style="background-color: white;"&gt;a study of the Internet in India and&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/18164409/592320162515336115" target="_blank"&gt;China&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;in&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;the late 1990s, my colleagues and I observed that “China has been able to execute plans effectively by allocating resources to competing, government-owned enterprises.” That pattern is evident here. China’s earlier, now-discontinued, LEO broadband initiatives—&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2019/06/hongyun-project-chinas-low-earth-orbit.html" style="background-color: white;"&gt;Hongyun&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;, sponsored by the state-owned China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation, and&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2020/01/china-will-be-formidable-satellite.html" style="background-color: white;"&gt;Hongyan&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;, sponsored by the state-owned China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation—were initially conceived as competing systems.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The creation of the China Satellite Network Group and the subsequent prioritization of the Guowang constellation following &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2020/10/a-new-chinese-broadband-satellite.html"&gt;its initial announcement and ITU filing in 2020&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;marked a turning point. Experience gained from Hongyun and Hongyan must have informed this transition, with technology, personnel, and spectrum filings absorbed or redirected. Subsequently, Qianfan and Honghu-3 have emerged in more differentiated roles. The result is not simply the replacement of earlier projects, but a progression from competing proposals to a more coordinated, multi-layered architecture—one that reflects both accumulated experience and the broader organization of China’s space and telecommunications sectors.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; color: black; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration-color: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/592320162515336115/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2026/05/two-ways-to-build-internet-in-space.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/592320162515336115" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/592320162515336115" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2026/05/two-ways-to-build-internet-in-space.html" rel="alternate" title="Two Ways to Build the Internet in Space -- China, Inc. vs Starlink et al" type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" height="72" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg0AX-r7VWMIR1MyubJFNpfSV8dvDN5CiJ-8xuR_WQOCAXPw1MPNaneB7J3Y9wfkkh_cRAewT8lLVsO9A6i54Y-abTHbwUd246RTIygCYukC_hCYZc8E3o4fesFtbj6Aod6tGtRY0HZH6WhzCKgiu3YDjie3n6WpKlnLzTBWrSjTisZjCmwMTOcqw/s72-w333-h273-c/BRIvsStarlinkMarkets.png" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-632777438072574688</id><published>2026-03-26T11:44:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2026-03-26T14:46:37.200-07:00</updated><title type="text">How many Internet-service satellites will be in orbit at the end of China's five-year plan?</title><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;i&gt;One could think of the Chinese constellations as a little like "divisions" of a single enterprise with the Chinese government being the "chairman of the board of directors" which meets every five years.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Chinese five-year plans outline strategic goals
and initiatives to guide economic and social development. The first plan (1953-57) began the transition
from an agricultural to an industrial economy, and the 15th plan &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; letter-spacing: 0.5px;"&gt;(2026-30)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;, &lt;a href="https://www.news.cn/politics/20260313/085af5de5a4b4268aa7d87d90817df2f/c.html"&gt;which was outlined this month&lt;/a&gt;, aims to achieve&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;g&lt;a href="https://en.qstheory.cn/2025-10/27/c_1135369.htm"&gt;reater self-reliance and strength&lt;/a&gt; in science and technology, including &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span dir="auto" style="background-color: white; color: #333333; letter-spacing: 0.5px; vertical-align: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span dir="auto" style="vertical-align: inherit;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://news.qq.com/rain/a/20260316A07VPP00?suid=&amp;amp;media_id="&gt;coordinating the construction of&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;satellite communication, navigation, and remote sensing systems, and accelerating the development&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span dt-eid="em_huaci" dt-params="huaci_type=ai&amp;amp;huaci_name=低轨卫星互联网" style="background-color: white; color: #333333; letter-spacing: 0.5px;"&gt;&lt;span class="qnt-link" style="cursor: pointer; overflow-wrap: break-word;"&gt;&lt;span class="qnt-link-text" style="border-bottom: 1.06667px dashed rgb(51, 119, 255);"&gt;&lt;span dir="auto" style="vertical-align: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span dir="auto" style="vertical-align: inherit;"&gt;of low Earth orbit (LEO) satellite internet.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEg7CGZUu0WrNWtYoQ4MwcraUtXCj3bxeIaK74yd1sTJgMw3j1JzG4jr_QR6pzoemntIECPTo8doyGWhNkwykcUZQ_tiv0d-SvZJ0AdL3Q5apt3YhnGyDBvX41PvePA7f04l0D4CNuLkS5S0fSS_Bu56znv9D4Ba-JIIhqa0t_VlMT-RnLPFmmjClA" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img alt="" data-original-height="297" data-original-width="676" height="141" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEg7CGZUu0WrNWtYoQ4MwcraUtXCj3bxeIaK74yd1sTJgMw3j1JzG4jr_QR6pzoemntIECPTo8doyGWhNkwykcUZQ_tiv0d-SvZJ0AdL3Q5apt3YhnGyDBvX41PvePA7f04l0D4CNuLkS5S0fSS_Bu56znv9D4Ba-JIIhqa0t_VlMT-RnLPFmmjClA" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="text-align: left;"&gt;Estimated Chinese satellites in orbit, 2030&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;China is &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/06/two-new-chinese-internet-service.html"&gt;developing three LEO Internet service constellations&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;, Guowang, Qianfan, and Honghu-3, with plans for eventually having 12,992, 15,000, and 10,000 satellites, respectively. How many of of these satellites will be in service by the end of the newly announced five-year plan in 2030? To answer that question, I "interviewed" six AI chatbots, and the results are shown here.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;The chatbots disagree, which is to be expected because the estimates are based on assumptions about the rates of manufacturing of satellites and rockets, the development of high capacity reusable rockets, the availability of launch sites, progress so far, demand for service (Qianfan and Honghu-3 will be serving paying customers), available funding, etc.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjeyEyFeV5ZtzMAvNJqR52_vCpRtDTqBcgQpFEGJ35_jPoVnvqanTm9VkbaLZ0Ljl4UzXdYlctmwziCmH59OH1WcwBZlsoPiNqJ6rbPKhux27pbNqo1SNRrVPvz4AFS49bQhoNtkB6bFHSF_-v8ntBdfEcMEtU0-ime105tKBMcmu0p_01WqtAhQw" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img alt="" data-original-height="297" data-original-width="807" height="118" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEjeyEyFeV5ZtzMAvNJqR52_vCpRtDTqBcgQpFEGJ35_jPoVnvqanTm9VkbaLZ0Ljl4UzXdYlctmwziCmH59OH1WcwBZlsoPiNqJ6rbPKhux27pbNqo1SNRrVPvz4AFS49bQhoNtkB6bFHSF_-v8ntBdfEcMEtU0-ime105tKBMcmu0p_01WqtAhQw" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;Estimated Western satellites in orbit, 2030&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;China has competitors in the US and Europe, so I also asked the chatbots to estimate the number of satellites Starlink and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/10/western-leo-satellite-internet-update.html"&gt;the other Western competitors&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; would have in orbit at the end of 2030.&amp;nbsp; Starlink dominates this group, but by 2030 SpaceX will have been de-orbiting&amp;nbsp; as well as launching satellites for several years and the others will be expanding their constellations.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;The chatbots estimate that In 2030, Starlink will still have the largest number of satellites in orbit, but the three Chinese operators combined will have 72% of the number of satellites Starlink has. Since they &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/06/two-new-chinese-internet-service.html"&gt;will serve different markets&lt;/a&gt; -- government, enterprise, consumer, etc., one could think of the Chinese companies as a little like "divisions" of a single enterprise with the Chinese government being the "chairman of the board of directors" which meets every five years.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"&gt;In this case, I just asked the chatbots the same, simple question: "How many LEO satellites will &lt;i&gt;constellation x&lt;/i&gt; have in orbit by the end of 2030? I want your best estimate as a single number." One could get more insight into the causes of the variance by asking an open ended question, conversing with the chatbot, and reading and analyzing the transcripts of those conversations, but today's chatbots &lt;a href="https://x.com/compose/articles/edit/2009142324450705408"&gt;do not archive conversations&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;A final note on the estimation approach.&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;The variation among chatbots might be interpreted as invalidating this pooled-estimation approach, but I wonder if the same sort of variance might not be observed if six knowledgeable human experts were asked the same question, since they too might consider different factors, make different assumptions and refer to different sources.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"&gt;A final note on the estimates. Together they predict 31,876 LEO Internet service satellites by the end of the five year plan. During that time there will also be many new launches of smaller LEO satellites that do not have the ability to maneuver, direct-to-device satellites with big antennas, and maybe huge data center satellites. If our estimate is even close to accurate, this sounds like a recipe for collisions and debris, so technology and policies for collision avoidance and debris removal better be in place before 2030. SpaceX has the most to lose from collisions, but there is strong pressure for all of these companies to cooperate to mitigate collision risk.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium; letter-spacing: -0.4px; white-space-collapse: preserve-breaks;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium; letter-spacing: -0.4px; white-space-collapse: preserve-breaks;"&gt;It will be interesting to see which chatbot prediction is closest to accurate at the end of 2030.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;clear-link-container&gt;&lt;/clear-link-container&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/632777438072574688/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2026/03/how-many-internet-service-satellites.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/632777438072574688" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/632777438072574688" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2026/03/how-many-internet-service-satellites.html" rel="alternate" title="How many Internet-service satellites will be in orbit at the end of China's five-year plan?" type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" height="72" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEg7CGZUu0WrNWtYoQ4MwcraUtXCj3bxeIaK74yd1sTJgMw3j1JzG4jr_QR6pzoemntIECPTo8doyGWhNkwykcUZQ_tiv0d-SvZJ0AdL3Q5apt3YhnGyDBvX41PvePA7f04l0D4CNuLkS5S0fSS_Bu56znv9D4Ba-JIIhqa0t_VlMT-RnLPFmmjClA=s72-c" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-5342463399832226933</id><published>2026-01-24T10:46:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2026-01-24T11:04:53.735-08:00</updated><title type="text">Starlink's role in last year's Los Angeles fires</title><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgv1YLbF0MVOqwNUcdMQfhvaZnBZFtEiIEFqiTDsS6-Mv_zTuyxT3QfTs1laLXXO4zgReCCA2w83RXmagV6R0NhQ9jBcbno0fnfffwAkbJV94XS6yuUwnbqIkRzveRw3Wg4eOFOCLqRXZHc4zJhBuldlJRjlLHu3sE2wY3iBs42sspEmDd2-w3yLw/s3840/lafIRES.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="2160" data-original-width="3840" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgv1YLbF0MVOqwNUcdMQfhvaZnBZFtEiIEFqiTDsS6-Mv_zTuyxT3QfTs1laLXXO4zgReCCA2w83RXmagV6R0NhQ9jBcbno0fnfffwAkbJV94XS6yuUwnbqIkRzveRw3Wg4eOFOCLqRXZHc4zJhBuldlJRjlLHu3sE2wY3iBs42sspEmDd2-w3yLw/w640-h360/lafIRES.png" width="640" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;Los Angeles area fires, January 2025 (&lt;a href="https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000/a005500/a005568/Overview_UHD.png"&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;As shown above, the largest and most costly were the Palisades fire by the ocean and the Eaton fire, roughly 25 or 30 miles apart -- separated by the city of Los Angeles and surrounded by many smaller Los Angeles County cities.&amp;nbsp; Grok estimates that the fires covered around 57,529 acres.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;As power outages and fire-related damage knocked out cell service and terrestrial internet in many areas, Starlink, in conjunction with Tesla and T-Mobile, provided an alternative means of connectivity for residents, journalists, firefighters, and other emergency personnel.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiWw6e2AMyhEqk8QsTQHS6bSCqd-_vn3Z8RzF8v4mBOgxJb62kAQbMJyETObSNW7cxhu_emUUbBUjxi9FZr82CsCLlFuprfePUSI9Kd2qkBaS4MuKtaaC32dx_lNyPHwwj4-8NFbpN-7qWVMYVVTCf5Y7IhI-tetiH3hSgQe5nX1Qybu0GPRlS-LQ/s4000/MuskDeliversStarlinkKits.jpg" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="2489" data-original-width="4000" height="199" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiWw6e2AMyhEqk8QsTQHS6bSCqd-_vn3Z8RzF8v4mBOgxJb62kAQbMJyETObSNW7cxhu_emUUbBUjxi9FZr82CsCLlFuprfePUSI9Kd2qkBaS4MuKtaaC32dx_lNyPHwwj4-8NFbpN-7qWVMYVVTCf5Y7IhI-tetiH3hSgQe5nX1Qybu0GPRlS-LQ/s320/MuskDeliversStarlinkKits.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;Elon Musk delivering Starlink kits (&lt;a href="https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1880020434843795783?lang=en"&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;SpaceX&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1880020434843795783?lang=en"&gt;donated 1,350 standard and mini Starlink kits&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;to public safety agencies, disaster relief non-profits, and frontline emergency personnel. The front-line personnel received portable, backpack-sized mini kits while the standard kits were installed at fixed locations.&amp;nbsp; While these kits were donated, SpaceX&amp;nbsp;received publicity and goodwill, and Elon Musk was very visible.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;In addition to these kits, SpaceX&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20250110164637/https://www.starlink.com/support/article/6b54f490-bbb4-04ee-4ee7-3750d3d831fc"&gt;provided one month of free service&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;for customers in areas affected by the fires. (Note that the eligible region included areas like downtown Los Angeles and Santa Monica, which were only indirectly affected by the fire).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Tesla&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://katv.com/news/nation-world/elon-musk-donates-cybertrucks-to-provide-la-community-with-power-internet-amid-wildfire-devastation-tesla-ceo-southern-california-altadena-eaton-fire-battery-bank-starlink-power-home"&gt;lent eight Cybertrucks&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;that acted as mobile Starlink Wi-Fi hotspots with Internet connectivity for both residents and emergency operations where terrestrial networks had failed. They also &lt;a href="https://www.tesla.com/powershare"&gt;provided electrical power&lt;/a&gt; via their batteries for equipment at command posts and other locations suffering power loss. Some reportedly brought water, snacks, and supplies to support first responders and community members. Los Angeles Fire Department &lt;a href="https://www.firerescue1.com/technology/tesla-sends-cybertrucks-to-l-a-to-provide-starlink-internet-to-impacted-communities"&gt;Captain Adam Van Gerpen said the trucks were&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; “essential for our public information officers and our incident commanders, even for our strike teams who are out there trying to communicate. We have radio communications, but this will enable cell phone and wireless communication.”&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;T-Mobile&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="text-align: center;"&gt;offered temporary unlimited talk, text, and data to customers in affected areas and&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.t-mobile.com/news/network/t-mobile-stands-prepared-as-wildfires-impact-southern-california?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;activated Starlink direct-to-cellular (DTC) service&lt;/a&gt;, which had not yet been beta tested. This enabled SMS messaging, emergency alert receipt, and texting to 911 on compatible phones when cell towers were offline or power was out.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right; margin-left: 1em; text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgdtY690MinIAPFJ36H7fK6ccdPF4gPRwCEFGr-kbP_qu6QF8yJV8t42_FAVY1Nn2kJDUCIFMUmbPKvGJ_NvdiEpgRRVzyIBAyDPFNihMnQcIM8-vA3M2YmMrDfRSbptAgVmuzzTikyDxKhZdjMIrF6Nvd3ZdS69nMkn7LiChlyFlpf4c2wGZnBUg/s2052/StarlinkFireCoverage.png" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="1146" data-original-width="2052" height="212" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgdtY690MinIAPFJ36H7fK6ccdPF4gPRwCEFGr-kbP_qu6QF8yJV8t42_FAVY1Nn2kJDUCIFMUmbPKvGJ_NvdiEpgRRVzyIBAyDPFNihMnQcIM8-vA3M2YmMrDfRSbptAgVmuzzTikyDxKhZdjMIrF6Nvd3ZdS69nMkn7LiChlyFlpf4c2wGZnBUg/w377-h212/StarlinkFireCoverage.png" width="377" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;"The only reason you are able to see us right now is&lt;br /&gt;because of the Starlink connection we just got today."&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.foxla.com/news/elon-musk-spacex-starlink-terminals-la-wildfires"&gt;Source&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;Perhaps the most valuable role for Starlink was in providing news media connectivity, enabling journalists to report on the fire to the general public in and outside of threatened areas, was kept aware of the situation.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Satellite emergency response will improve&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;DTC has now rolled out, and it will improve. New Satellites will take advantage of the FCC allowing&amp;nbsp;&lt;span face="-apple-system, system-ui, BlinkMacSystemFont, &amp;quot;Segoe UI&amp;quot;, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, &amp;quot;Apple Color Emoji&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Segoe UI Emoji&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Segoe UI Symbol&amp;quot;" style="background-color: white; color: #222222; font-size: 17px;"&gt;Starlink’s DTC servic&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span face="-apple-system, system-ui, BlinkMacSystemFont, &amp;quot;Segoe UI&amp;quot;, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, &amp;quot;Apple Color Emoji&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Segoe UI Emoji&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Segoe UI Symbol&amp;quot;" style="background-color: white; color: #222222;"&gt;e &lt;a href="https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2025/03/fcc-allows-spacex-starlink-direct-to-cellphone-power-for-4g-5g-speeds.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;to operate at higher power&lt;/a&gt;, enabling faster, more reliable service.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;We can also look forward to &lt;a href="https://www.lightreading.com/satellite/at-t-teases-limited-voice-connectivity-from-satellites-in-late-2026"&gt;low-speed mobile data and voice&lt;/a&gt; communication in the future. This service will be ubiquitous and will enable firefighters and others to access fire-status maps, weather information, equipment, and personnel inventory and location, etc. Next-generation satellites with more power will also perform better in areas with trees and atmospheric humidity.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Industry initiatives (3GPP NTN standards) &lt;a href="https://www.satnow.com/community/what-is-non-terrestrial-network-ntn-satellite-communications#:~:text=a)%203GPP%20Release%2017:%203GPP,procedure%20tuning%20for%20spaceborne%20communications"&gt;are aligning satellite and cellular networks&lt;/a&gt; so that phones can seamlessly switch between terrestrial and satellite links — crucial for full voice and data over space networks.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The Ukraine war dramatically&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/04/the-unprecedented-role-of-internet-in.html"&gt;demonstrated the value of drones&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;using Starlink to surveil a battlefield and attack enemies. One can imagine Starlink-connected drones playing a similar role in fighting fires, with drones continuously streaming fire location and spread data and the locations of firefighters and fire-fighting assets to command centers who direct operations.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The response of SpaceX and Tesla to last year's California fires was ad hoc. For example, the eight Cybertrucks mentioned above were temporarily diverted from planned deliveries to customers. Establishing systems and relationships within Starlink (&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/11/starlink-and-seven-dwarfs.html"&gt;and its competitors&lt;/a&gt;) and between them and emergency-response organizations will be even more important than new technology. Stable bureaucratic procedure will replace ad hoc improvisation. (SpaceX&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://starlink.com/emergency-response?srsltid=AfmBOorc3FQcMxDgRSljYrm_OnQ17N0Mhi4lPMn0B-aC5iGrQtOhkgWN"&gt;has taken steps&lt;/a&gt; in this direction.) Also expect to see new equipment standards. For example, all fire trucks will have Starlink (or Amazon LEO, Qianfan, etc.) dishes.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This may sound expensive, but Grok estimates the Los Angeles fires cost $250 million to fight and $28-53.8 billion in property damage, and a Helsinki University study concluded that the wildfires &lt;a href="https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2837351?guestAccessKey=2af4fee4-50e8-43f8-aaab-50bd466ba444&amp;amp;utm_source=For_The_Media&amp;amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;amp;utm_campaign=ftm_links&amp;amp;utm_content=tfl&amp;amp;utm_term=080625"&gt;contributed to at least 440 deaths&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;clear-link-container&gt;&lt;/clear-link-container&gt;&lt;clear-link-container&gt;&lt;/clear-link-container&gt;&lt;clear-link-container&gt;&lt;/clear-link-container&gt;&lt;clear-link-container&gt;&lt;/clear-link-container&gt;</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/5342463399832226933/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2026/01/starlinks-role-in-last-years-los.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/5342463399832226933" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/5342463399832226933" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2026/01/starlinks-role-in-last-years-los.html" rel="alternate" title="Starlink's role in last year's Los Angeles fires" type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" height="72" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgv1YLbF0MVOqwNUcdMQfhvaZnBZFtEiIEFqiTDsS6-Mv_zTuyxT3QfTs1laLXXO4zgReCCA2w83RXmagV6R0NhQ9jBcbno0fnfffwAkbJV94XS6yuUwnbqIkRzveRw3Wg4eOFOCLqRXZHc4zJhBuldlJRjlLHu3sE2wY3iBs42sspEmDd2-w3yLw/s72-w640-h360-c/lafIRES.png" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-1880836682074368438</id><published>2026-01-05T10:43:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2026-01-07T14:19:20.751-08:00</updated><title type="text"> Starlink in Ukraine: What Three Years of Wartime Connectivity Taught Us</title><content type="html">&lt;table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgeu5waFNjOJ7zqLROa_IO56pyiMDlm_e4z7Sw8X_iY0sh2DR9I4RdDIPSZndjyzFixa0QARHKHJNFhiPP-ZCilJInje8p-sGjX_P4Bw-Aw-lbpbCIO3cSqy6U7BIlYFsgkmW_2zHGBoth6TDDC8TqjhmxRh_UlvIq9RYzfbqClkZRW9zPdooZgBA/s1920/SoldierStarlinkUkraine.webp" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="1247" data-original-width="1920" height="416" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgeu5waFNjOJ7zqLROa_IO56pyiMDlm_e4z7Sw8X_iY0sh2DR9I4RdDIPSZndjyzFixa0QARHKHJNFhiPP-ZCilJInje8p-sGjX_P4Bw-Aw-lbpbCIO3cSqy6U7BIlYFsgkmW_2zHGBoth6TDDC8TqjhmxRh_UlvIq9RYzfbqClkZRW9zPdooZgBA/w640-h416/SoldierStarlinkUkraine.webp" width="640" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span face="Roboto, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #777777; font-size: 13px; letter-spacing: 0.2px; text-align: start;"&gt;Ukrainian soldier with a Starlink dish near Kreminna, eastern Ukraine. Photo: &lt;a href="https://www.kathimerini.gr/world/562891753/oykrania-zita-apo-ton-mask-na-empodisei-ti-chrisi-toy-starlink-sta-katechomena-edafi/"&gt;Clodagh Kilcoyne&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022, few people
thought of satellite Internet as strategic, but what began as an emergency
request made on Twitter became one of the most consequential infrastructure
decisions of the war.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;At 4:04 a.m. on February 26, 2022, Ukraine’s Vice Prime
Minister and Minister of Digital Transformation, Mykhailo Fedorov, asked Elon Musk &lt;a href="https://x.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1497704284196155394"&gt;to activate SpaceX’s Starlink service&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;over Ukraine. That
same day, Musk replied that service was active, and within forty-eight hours, a
truckload of terminals arrived. Minutes after their arrival, Ukrainian engineer
Oleg Kutkov&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20220308-spacex-starlink-in-ukraine-a-week-later"&gt;posted a speed test from Kyiv&lt;/a&gt;. Starlink was live.&amp;nbsp;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;At the time, this looked like a dramatic but limited
response—an emergency patch to help a government under attack stay online. Over
the next three years, it became something much more consequential: a privately
owned satellite network evolved into a core layer of wartime infrastructure.
Today, there may be as many as &lt;a href="https://www.space.com/space-exploration/satellites/spacex-starlink-internet-isnt-fast-enough-for-ukraines-combat-robots"&gt;200,000 terminals in Ukraine&lt;/a&gt;, making it the biggest Starlink user in Europe.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;I have been writing about Starlink in Ukraine since those
first days of the invasion, beginning with early observations on connectivity,
coverage, and ground-station dependence, and following its rapid expansion into
government, military, energy, healthcare, and civilian use. Those earlier
pieces are collected here on CircleID (see links below). This post is
not another update. It is a synthesis of what the Starlink experience in Ukraine
tells us about Internet infrastructure in war and dependency.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;From novelty to infrastructure&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;In the earliest phase, the number of Starlink terminals in
Ukraine was small, but their value quickly became clear. A handful of portable
terminals in the hands of senior officials, military commanders, communications
staff, and journalists could preserve continuity of government if fiber lines
were cut, cellular towers destroyed, or local networks surveilled or jammed. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;By mid-March 2022, more than 5,000 Starlink terminals were operating in Ukraine. Terminals were
used by the armed forces, energy companies, emergency services, hospitals,
NGOs, journalists, and local governments. In some towns, a single terminal
provided backhaul connectivity for thousands of civilians. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Political and Army leaders used Starlink for military planning and decision-making. Starlink also facilitated propaganda and foreign relations. We saw videos of President Zelensky
at the front lines, meeting foreign leaders, and addressing foreign parliaments. We also saw daily evidence of Russian atrocities on Telegram and in the news.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Software-defined warfare&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Early Starlink terminals depended upon ground stations in
neighboring countries -- Poland, Lithuania, and Turkey. Coverage and
availability varied by geography, but performance was consistently good enough
for coordination and reporting. Reliability, not elegance, was the wartime
requirement.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Then the &amp;nbsp;Russian forces&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://spectrum.ieee.org/satellite-jamming"&gt;began jamming Starlink
terminals&lt;/a&gt;. SpaceX responded not by shipping new hardware, but by pushing
software updates. Roaming was enabled, allowing terminals to be used briefly,
powered down, moved, and used again. Power consumption was reduced so terminals
could operate from vehicle outlets. Jamming countermeasures were deployed over
the air. (These changes occur without the delay of traditional military procurement cycles).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;This was a glimpse of a new kind of infrastructure contest:
electronic warfare meeting software-defined networks. Ukraine has given us a clear example of how modern Internet systems blur the
boundary between civilian engineering and military operations, and shown us new skills that are needed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Starlink and drones -- over land and on sea&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Starlink’s military significance became clearest when paired
with drones.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Ukrainian reconnaissance units used Starlink to relay
imagery and targeting data from surveillance drones to artillery units,
shortening sensor-to-shooter loops. Drones equipped with thermal cameras hunted
at night. Others documented battlefield damage and war crimes. Starlink did not
make this possible on its own—but it made it scalable.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;At the same time, drone footage flooded social media and
news outlets. Open-source intelligence groups analyzed videos and satellite
imagery. Journalists verified claims. Governments responded. The Internet did
not merely report the war; it became one of its primary theaters.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Civilian support ecosystems&lt;/b&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;By 2023, tens of thousands of terminals were in Ukraine, and
distribution channels, training, repair, and modification were needed. Ukraine
built a distributed ecosystem of engineers, service centers, and informal
supply chains capable of repairing damaged terminals, adapting them for mobile
and battlefield use, and keeping them operational under harsh conditions. A
consumer product had become military infrastructure, often acquired, modified,
and maintained by civilians. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;This civilian technical mobilization—much of it
voluntary—was as important to Starlink’s effectiveness as the satellites
themselves. Without it, the system would have degraded quickly under
battlefield conditions.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;This was possible because the digital transformation in
Ukraine began years before the Russian invasion. A &lt;a href="https://www.sir.advancedleadership.harvard.edu/articles/digital-transformation-in-ukraine-before-during-after-war#:~:text=To%20achieve%20all%20of%20the,50%25%20of%20the%20country's%20population."&gt;Harvard study reports&lt;/a&gt; that before the war, Ukraine was arguably the number one country in the world regarding the pace and speed of digital
transformation. The mobilization of Ukraine's commercial and technical Internet community should be noted and serve as a warning to other nations that are not as well prepared.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Dependence&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;By 2024 and 2025, Starlink was no longer an emergency backup
but a routine part of military and civilian operations. That dependence carried
risks. Ukraine’s experience highlighted the strategic implications of relying
on privately owned, globally operated infrastructure whose technical evolution,
pricing, and policy decisions ultimately lie outside national control – with
Elon Musk in this case.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The lesson is not that Starlink is unreliable or that
commercial systems should be avoided. On the contrary, Ukraine’s experience
demonstrates the extraordinary value of Starlink. The lesson is that
connectivity has become a strategic asset that must be planned with redundancy,
diversification, and governance in mind—long before a crisis begins.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Today, OneWeb is Starlink's only operational commercial low-Earth orbit (LEO) competitor, and it is not close to being able &lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/oneweb-cant-come-close-to-replacing-starlink-in-ukraine-but-it-could-complement-it"&gt;to
provide the service Starlink does&lt;/a&gt;. I hope the war in Ukraine is over before
others, such as Amazon, Telesat, and IRIS^2, are ready to offer meaningful competition to Starlink, and I worry that, if Starship proves to be economically viable, the gap will grow significantly.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Three years on, it is clear that LEO satellite connectivity is strategic, and when strategic infrastructure depends on
privately owned networks, domestic competence, governance, redundancy, and accountability become
matters of national security—not afterthoughts.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Earlier posts in this series include:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20220301-spacex-starlink-service-in-ukraine-is-an-important-government-asset"&gt;SpaceXStarlink Service in Ukraine Is an Important Government Asset&lt;/a&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20220308-spacex-starlink-in-ukraine-a-week-later"&gt;SpaceXStarlink in Ukraine—A Week Later&lt;/a&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20220327-five-thousand-spacex-starlink-terminals-for-ukraine"&gt;FiveThousand SpaceX Starlink Terminals for Ukraine&lt;/a&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20220411-the-unprecedented-role-of-the-internet-in-the-war-in-ukraine"&gt;TheUnprecedented Role of the Internet in the War in Ukraine&lt;/a&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20240223-civilian-tech-mobilization-in-ukraine"&gt;CivilianTech Mobilization in Ukraine&lt;/a&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/starlink-is-critical-in-support-of-ukraine-and-it-will-continue"&gt;Starlink Is Critical in Support of Ukraine, and It Will Continue&lt;/a&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/1880836682074368438/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2026/01/starlink-in-ukraine-what-three-years-of.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/1880836682074368438" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/1880836682074368438" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2026/01/starlink-in-ukraine-what-three-years-of.html" rel="alternate" title=" Starlink in Ukraine: What Three Years of Wartime Connectivity Taught Us" type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" height="72" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgeu5waFNjOJ7zqLROa_IO56pyiMDlm_e4z7Sw8X_iY0sh2DR9I4RdDIPSZndjyzFixa0QARHKHJNFhiPP-ZCilJInje8p-sGjX_P4Bw-Aw-lbpbCIO3cSqy6U7BIlYFsgkmW_2zHGBoth6TDDC8TqjhmxRh_UlvIq9RYzfbqClkZRW9zPdooZgBA/s72-w640-h416-c/SoldierStarlinkUkraine.webp" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-794954746516270132</id><published>2025-12-20T15:48:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2025-12-26T13:31:09.721-08:00</updated><title type="text">AI chatbot conversations should be archived</title><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;To paraphrase Bill Clinton’s 1990 campaign slogan, “it’s the conversation, stupid”, and Alan Turing would agree.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;ChatGPT shareable links are to the end of the conversation, implying that the purpose of the conversation is to find a conclusion, like an answer to a question or a link to a relevant document. That makes sense for a search engine, but with AI chatbots, the conversation &lt;i&gt;itself &lt;/i&gt;is of interest. Much of the value lies in the dialogue, the back-and-forth in which assumptions are tested, errors corrected, alternatives explored, and ideas refined, not a final answer.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I subscribe to the ChatGPT service and find it well worth the monthly fee, but it treats our conversations as ephemeral interface entities rather than durable intellectual work products of interest in their own right. The user interface is misleading. It has a "history" feature, which I assumed meant that it permanently archived conversations, until a reader pointed out that a link to a conversation I had published was broken.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The &lt;i&gt;history &lt;/i&gt;feature allows users to view and continue past conversations for an unspecified time, but provides no native way to permanently archive an individual conversation in a standard document format like Word or PDF. There is no per-conversation export, no versioning, and no user-controlled guarantee of long-term retention. The only built-in alternative is an “export all data” function that produces raw HTML and JSON files, requiring additional processing before the material becomes usable.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This is not a minor usability issue. It reflects a deeper assumption: that the conversation is a disposable means to an end, rather than a work product with independent value. That assumption may be reasonable for customer-support chatbots (which I hate), but it is not reasonable when AI systems are used for writing, learning, decision-making, policy formulation, etc. In those contexts, the dialogue itself documents reasoning, uncertainty, correction, and collaboration. Often, it is precisely the conversational path—not just the destination—that one wishes to preserve.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Other software categories recognise this distinction. Word processors save drafts. Version control systems preserve history. Collaborative tools maintain change logs. AI chat services, by contrast, still behave as though conversations are transient means to an end. As a result, users who care about their work are pushed into awkward workarounds: manual copy-and-paste, browser extensions, or, in the case of ChatGPT, "export&amp;nbsp;all data," which mixes valuable conversations with trivial ones.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The solution does not require new breakthroughs in artificial intelligence, just adding a new feature to existing chatbots. (ChatGPT shared links should also offer the option of linking to the beginning or end of the conversation).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;AI systems are not mere search engines but tools for thinking and writing, and AI platforms should support per-conversation export in standard formats, user-controlled guarantees of retention or deletion, stable identifiers suitable for citation, and optional versioning to capture the evolution of a dialogue. I'd be happy to pay ChatGPT for storing my conversations or just adding a button that allowed me to save them on Google Drive or Microsoft OneDrive.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Finally, I asked ChatGPT if any of the well-known US and Chinese AI chatbots had an "archive-conversation" feature, and it said none did.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Alan Turing suggested a &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test" target="_blank"&gt;test for machine intelligence&lt;/a&gt;: a machine was intelligent if a human evaluator could not reliably tell whether the transcript of a conversation was with it or a person. In the early 1970s, I installed two public-access Teletypes with dial-up Internet access in the Venice, California Public Library, and, among other things, I saw users carry on lengthy conversations with &lt;a href="https://vintagecomputer.net/cisc367/Creative%20Computing%20Jul-Aug%201977%20Eliza%20BASIC%20listing.pdf" target="_blank"&gt;Eliza, a simple BASIC program&lt;/a&gt;, that fed their statements back to them in the manner of a non-directive therapist. Eliza passed the Turing test with those users as evaluators, and chatbot conversations should be archived.&lt;/p&gt;</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/794954746516270132/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/12/ai-chatbot-conversations-should-be.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/794954746516270132" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/794954746516270132" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/12/ai-chatbot-conversations-should-be.html" rel="alternate" title="AI chatbot conversations should be archived" type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-7455614301008926990</id><published>2025-11-18T11:00:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2026-03-02T20:01:20.196-08:00</updated><title type="text">Starlink and the Seven Dwarfs</title><content type="html">&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgSf0XA1cta7bCl1mG1Mv0SbhW2F2Y46kdVL5s-9V4hD9b3c000VMcN1jLe0k-ARi_0Nm-0Ib9ayjtgCf-MbfHbPmFRwQ04KpP2x6uuQUU6A3hLHwfGw_UGhZT7ESJL-HgT-m9-WC2oC2IWGklKvpQjw46lN1LLJM5-qxILSCW8FUYA4pxTr3xfbA/s2379/IBMMarketShare.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="1180" data-original-width="2379" height="318" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgSf0XA1cta7bCl1mG1Mv0SbhW2F2Y46kdVL5s-9V4hD9b3c000VMcN1jLe0k-ARi_0Nm-0Ib9ayjtgCf-MbfHbPmFRwQ04KpP2x6uuQUU6A3hLHwfGw_UGhZT7ESJL-HgT-m9-WC2oC2IWGklKvpQjw46lN1LLJM5-qxILSCW8FUYA4pxTr3xfbA/w640-h318/IBMMarketShare.png" width="640" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;In the 1960s, IBM dominated the computer market, which was often referred to as “IBM and the seven dwarfs.” IBM is prosperous today, but no longer dominant. The low-Earth orbit (LEO) satellite Internet service market today is reminiscent of that time, but it’s "SpaceX Starlink and the seven dwarfs."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;As was the case with IBM, Starlink has seven dwarfs, which I have described in two fairly recent posts. &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/09/chinese-leo-satellite-internet-update.html"&gt;Three are Chinese&lt;/a&gt;:&amp;nbsp;Guowang, Qianfan, and Honghu-3, and &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/10/western-leo-satellite-internet-update.html"&gt;four are from the west&lt;/a&gt; -- the US, Canada, and Europe -- Amazon LEO, OneWeb, Telesat, and&amp;nbsp;&lt;span face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #333333;"&gt;IRIS². (Russia &lt;a href="https://1440.space/en/#team"&gt;may emerge as the eighth dwarf&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Today, Apple's market cap is approximately $3.95 trillion, and IBM's is approximately $278 billion&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;. I do not expect Starlink to drop off that precipitously, but its lead will be significantly diminished. Five of IBM's dwarfs failed, and two merged to form Unisys. I expect Starlink and all the dwarfs will survive, and the gap between them to shrink, but not as dramatically as the gap between IBM and its dwarfs. Here are some of the factors that will shape the future LEO Internet market&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;(in no particular order):&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;A divided world market&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;After World War II, the relatively unscathed U.S. became the world’s leading power, shaping a liberal international order through its economic and military strength and promotion of democracy and free markets. Subsequent US actions like the wars in Vietnam and Iraq diminished our global stature, and Trump has accelerated that trend with isolationist policies, while China has been opening.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;This leaves us in a world where some nations will deal only with Starlink and the "western" dwarfs, others will deal only with the Chinese dwarfs, and others will be open to either. This shields the dwarfs and Starlink from total global competition.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEizMqiW3QUnuXsBkacBEA2-2wNTdPAZKQiymx6EQ4KalwfBXUK07Cek2HfrjK2Hmk7Vi0XhY3pVwmeBsDb-UBmADXFk1xDr7moMyqpE7PtZxGNGFxGb2aQjvwyxjfBVF6EqjNOgKcnKlS4rIqdvg0L7VgVkIURiRR0VcGzwk3ESkP96cqh0D9KFpA/s761/GDPChinaVwesrOwvt.png" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="169" data-original-width="761" height="71" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEizMqiW3QUnuXsBkacBEA2-2wNTdPAZKQiymx6EQ4KalwfBXUK07Cek2HfrjK2Hmk7Vi0XhY3pVwmeBsDb-UBmADXFk1xDr7moMyqpE7PtZxGNGFxGb2aQjvwyxjfBVF6EqjNOgKcnKlS4rIqdvg0L7VgVkIURiRR0VcGzwk3ESkP96cqh0D9KFpA/s320/GDPChinaVwesrOwvt.png" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Approximate GDP shares (&lt;a href="https://chatgpt.com/share/691a0bb1-9c34-8004-a2fe-dd1be45041bd"&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;We can get a very rough idea of market opportunities by considering the GDPs of three groups: nations that are members of the G7 and/or the&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;European Economic Area, those that are BRICS-plus nations and/or have Digital Silk Road projects, and the rest of the world. As we see here, the potential market for Chinese dwarfs is somewhat larger using GDP, and the difference would be even greater were we to consider global population percentages.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;China is open to private investment&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjkKQOGGWUknfotISUTf45iUIyb2DGm7swccdimSuQ2DaXiaRwhrvZktED1xSQ06PVS7NMhoPFzyZOygQfeTpfNUrDnM4sfmvcEBd5epCVCPEn41GcFKKOWhH3t5_QuWRt0KJGESlO8z41RvHw5BGzUsXDkbazwpY7CN4qSONom6Hw3fk0WEYwlvg/s1291/LandSpaceOwnership3.png" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="993" data-original-width="1291" height="246" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjkKQOGGWUknfotISUTf45iUIyb2DGm7swccdimSuQ2DaXiaRwhrvZktED1xSQ06PVS7NMhoPFzyZOygQfeTpfNUrDnM4sfmvcEBd5epCVCPEn41GcFKKOWhH3t5_QuWRt0KJGESlO8z41RvHw5BGzUsXDkbazwpY7CN4qSONom6Hw3fk0WEYwlvg/s320/LandSpaceOwnership3.png" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;Landspace ownership, mid-2025, (ChatGPT)&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;The stereotype of China as a Communist nation with an inefficient, corrupt government controlling everything is outdated.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Deng Xiaoping’s reforms transformed China from a centrally planned economy into a socialist market economy. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://chatgpt.com/c/68e43d7d-6080-832c-84b9-012bfd51ea2b"&gt;During 1978–1992&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;, GDP quadrupled, and productivity, trade, and foreign direct investment surged. Living standards rose sharply, though inequality and regional gaps widened. China transitioned from isolation to global integration, laying the groundwork for its rapid growth in the following decades.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;The trends set by Deng continued, and in 2014, China’s State Council &lt;a href="https://www.iiss.org/online-analysis/charting-china/2025/08/chinas-commercial-space-sector/#:~:text=China's%20commercial%20space%20sector%20has,and%20Industry%20Corporation%20(CASIC)."&gt;opened its space sector to private investment&lt;/a&gt;. In 2015, the launch company Landspace Technology,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/09/chinese-leo-satellite-internet-update.html"&gt;which owns 48% of&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;the developer of the Honghu-3 constellation and &lt;a href="https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/chinas-spacex-rival-landspace-eyes-ipo-shanghai-2025-07-30/#:~:text=A%20successful%20test%20of%20Zhuque,backed%20China%20SME%20Development%20Fund."&gt;is planning an IPO&lt;/a&gt;, was founded. As shown here, Landspace provides an example of the mixed&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;ownership structure possible in China today, and many Chinese space companies already have publicly traded stocks. Two other Chinese launch firms &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/chinese-launch-firms-space-pioneer-and-galactic-energy-move-toward-ipos/"&gt;are moving toward IPOs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;, and more &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://chinaspacemonitor.substack.com/p/chinese-space-financing-goes-mainstream"&gt;are in the works&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;. Many people and organizations, including national and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/chinese-provinces-are-fueling-the-countrys-commercial-space-expansion/"&gt;local governments&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;, have stakes in the game.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Government investment and planning&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjSHgZHMAmOLJRzK7ciMQaQ_CafsDYxMd-j3zf-jfumFy6nhJF5mPEW3-4KXD_UCBTxzdSKFH1DdJakArVQNkJ2PIlRW2mTwQmG07UG7dT8cPs3kSafmE8kGjagF_HWZzj7Avl6UVbZr4GFytZewWoVgUO-8nqgcD05sAEwSvMSEhBSs-UODccc_Q/s1510/USChinaGFCF.png" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="1000" data-original-width="1510" height="212" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjSHgZHMAmOLJRzK7ciMQaQ_CafsDYxMd-j3zf-jfumFy6nhJF5mPEW3-4KXD_UCBTxzdSKFH1DdJakArVQNkJ2PIlRW2mTwQmG07UG7dT8cPs3kSafmE8kGjagF_HWZzj7Avl6UVbZr4GFytZewWoVgUO-8nqgcD05sAEwSvMSEhBSs-UODccc_Q/s320/USChinaGFCF.png" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"&gt;US and China capital formation (&lt;a href="https://data.worldbank.org/indicator" target="_blank"&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;It's not government versus private&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;investment; it's the mix of the two. The United States government's planning and investment played a key role in advances in electronic data communication, from Morse's telegraph to Whirlwind, the SAGE early-warning system, the ARPAnet, CSnet, NSFnet, and the NSF Higher-Education and International Connection programs. However,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;government Internet ownership was phased out in the first half of the 1990s.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;After 1978, Chinese policy favored foreign and domestic investment over consumption —for example, investing in infrastructure and (over) investing in housing —while enacting measures like the one-child policy.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;The Chinese government also plays an active role in planning and setting goals. The&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.gov.cn/xinwen/2021-03/13/content_5592681.htm" style="background-color: white; color: #336699;"&gt;14th Five-Year Plan (2021-2025)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: #333333;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;called for building an integrated communications, Earth observation, and satellite navigation system with global coverage.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="line-height: 107%;"&gt;China’s 15th Five-Year Plan (2026–2030) is expected to promote
low-Earth-orbit (LEO) satellite Internet as part of its “new-type
infrastructure” strategy. A &lt;a href="https://www.gov.cn/zhengce/zhengceku/202508/content_7038032.htm?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;Ministry
of Industry and Information Technology directive&lt;/a&gt; calls for &amp;nbsp;“accelerated development of low-orbit
satellite Internet,” commercial trials, and global broadband coverage,
targeting over 10 million users, including direct-to-mobile handset service, by
2030. The &lt;a href="https://www.gov.cn/zhengce/202510/content_7046050.htm?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;Communist Party recommendations&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;include building “information-communication networks” and “aerospace
and low-altitude economies” as strategic sectors. Together, these indicate that LEO
satellite internet will be clearly encouraged within China’s
2026–2030 policy framework.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="line-height: 107%;"&gt;Note that the Landspace pie chart above refers to "State and Local Government Funds." Local governments&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/chinese-provinces-are-fueling-the-countrys-commercial-space-expansion/"&gt;play an important role&lt;/a&gt; in coordinating and financing space and other industries in China, and Landspace has several key facilities within the&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/06/two-new-chinese-internet-service.html"&gt;G60 Science and Technology Innovation Corridor&lt;/a&gt;. (This is reminiscent of Silicon Valley.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b style="background-color: transparent;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Elon Musk and Donald Trump&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Starlink will remain a major satellite ISP, but Elon Musk has tarnished the Starlink and Tesla brands, opening market space for the dwarfs. Many individuals and organizations view Musk's "chainsaw" cuts of federal regulators, watchdogs, experts, and agencies as detrimental and/or cruel. The most striking example of his political acts was dismantling USAID.&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(25)01186-9/fulltext"&gt;A recent study&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;published in The Lancet by researchers from Africa, South America, Europe, and the United States estimates that 91 million deaths were prevented by USAID between 2001 and 2021 and predicts more than 14 million additional deaths globally by 2030, including more than 4.5 million dead children under five. For a real-time update on deaths caused by our aid discontinuation, &lt;a href="https://www.impactcounter.com/dashboard?view=table&amp;amp;sort=interval_minutes&amp;amp;order=asc"&gt;click here&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;nbsp;and for a short documentary, &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj0PsaP2ZqQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj0PsaP2ZqQ"&gt;click here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Musk is&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2017/07/does-tesla-3-mark-inflection-point-or.html"&gt;reminiscent of Henry Ford&lt;/a&gt;. Both were manufacturing geniuses with strong political views that alienated many people. Ford was an antisemitic publisher of the Dearborn Independent, who was praised by Hitler and&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/henry-ford-grand-cross-1938/"&gt;given the Grand Cross of the German Eagle&lt;/a&gt;, the Nazi regime’s highest honor for foreigners in 1938. Hitler also &lt;a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1922/12/20/archives/berlin-hears-ford-is-backing-hitler-bavarian-antisemitic-chief-has.html#:~:text=Naturally%2C%20peaceful%20citizens%20ask%20who%20has%20paid,book%20written%20and%20published%20by%20Henry%20Ford."&gt;had a portrait of Ford&lt;/a&gt; in his office.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;The Trump presidency has diminished the United States' stature and soft power/influence in the world.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;In the first year of his second term, Trump withdrew from the World Health Organization, the Paris Climate Agreement, OECD Global Tax Deal, UNESCO, and the United Nations Human Rights Council. His arbitrary, possibly illegal, tariffs have alienated allies, provoked retaliatory trade measures, and signaled to many nations that the U.S. is an unreliable ally and economic partner. Trump's (and to a lesser extent, Musk's) waffling on Ukraine, where Starlink and, &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/06/oneweb-cant-come-close-to-replacing.html"&gt;to a small extent, OneWeb&lt;/a&gt; have been valuable assets, calls U.S. reliability as an ally into question, opening markets for the Chinese and European dwarfs.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;Starlink has&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/03/five-thousand-spacex-starlink-terminals.html"&gt;proven to be a valuable military asset&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;in Ukraine, but at one point, there was speculation that Musk would stop the service. He&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/03/starlink-is-critical-in-support-of.html"&gt;denied that&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;and indeed has not terminated the service, but no government, military, or other organization is comfortable with a sole supplier of a critical good or service, so Canada and European governments will not allow their dwarfs to fail, nor will the United States government, which has multi-billion dollar contracts for Starlink, Starshield, and NASA and DOD launch service. Amazon will compete for U.S. government contracts, and it is conceivable that in a post-Trump world, other western dwarfs might also. (Trump will favor Bezos now that he and Musk have had a falling out).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;In the far-far future, one can even imagine global collaboration with China. In May 1961, President Kennedy initiated the "space race" in a &lt;a href="https://www.nasa.gov/history/the-decision-to-go-to-the-moon/"&gt;joint presentation to Congress&lt;/a&gt; requesting funds to put a man on the moon and return him safely by the end of the decade, but by September 1963, he had changed to a call for&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.jfklibrary.org/asset-viewer/archives/jfkwha-218"&gt;collaboration in space with the Soviet Union&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; in an address before the UN General Assembly:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Why, therefore, should man's first flight to the moon be a matter of national competition? Why should the United States and the Soviet Union, in preparing for such expeditions, become involved in immense duplications of research, construction, and expenditure? Surely we should explore whether the scientists and astronauts of our two countries--indeed of all the world--cannot work together in the conquest of space, sending someday in this decade to the moon not the representatives of a single nation, but the representatives of all of our countries.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;div class="nH"&gt;&lt;div class="aHU hx" style="color: #222222; min-width: 592px; padding: 0px; position: relative;"&gt;&lt;div jslog="20686; u014N:xr6bB; 1:WyIjdGhyZWFkLWE6cjI5NTA5MDM2MzU5MzE5MjczNTEiXQ..; 4:W251bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsMSxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCwxXQ.." role="list"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;New technology, distribution channels, and regulations&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;IBM was dethroned by new technologies like time-sharing, networks, and personal computers. They knew about these technologies and tried new products, but those products failed. For example, Christopher Strachey's early&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://archive.org/details/large-fast-computers/"&gt;paper on time-sharing&lt;/a&gt; was widely read, and IBM had early online projects like the &lt;a href="https://www.ibm.com/history/sabre"&gt;SABRE airline reservation system&lt;/a&gt;, the&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-Automatic_Ground_Environment"&gt;SAGE early warning system&lt;/a&gt;, and later&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.ibm.com/history/time-sharing"&gt;general-purpose time-sharing systems&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;(While working for IBM, I first encountered time-sharing on a &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/7040/quiktran/C28-6800-2_7040_7044_QUIKTRAN_Users_Guide_196508.pdf"&gt;QUICKTRAN terminal&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; at IBM Research and later built my dissertation on the &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/FSQ-32"&gt;IBM AN/FSQ-32&lt;/a&gt;, a bespoke&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/1464122.1464163"&gt;IBM time-sharing system&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;They offered computer networking products like &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_Network_Architecture"&gt;System Networking Architecture&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Token_Ring"&gt;Token Ring&lt;/a&gt;, but they failed because of open networking standards like TCP/IP and Ethernet.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;IBM was also aware of personal computers from the time of the &lt;a href="https://www.historyofinformation.com/detail.php?id=786"&gt;LINC at Lincoln Labs&lt;/a&gt;, and sold personal computers from the early &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_610"&gt;IBM 610 Autopoint&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;in 1957 through the desktop &lt;a href="https://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/5100.html"&gt;IBM 5100&lt;/a&gt; in 1975, and finally the mass-market &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Personal_Computer"&gt;IBM PC&lt;/a&gt; in 1981.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;The problem was not ignorance or engineering, but the company culture, overhead, and customer base. IBM salespeople were well-paid men wearing blue suits and wingtip shoes, spending months on a sale of a large, expensive computer. IBM was not ready for computer stores and Walmart. SpaceX does not face as extreme a culture mismatch as IBM did, but workers may be unwilling to work the long hours SpaceX&amp;nbsp;is known for.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;As the global space industry grows, new technologies and applications will be developed worldwide, and SpaceX and Starlink may be slow or struggle to adopt them, given their commitment to vertical integration, unlike, for example, OneWeb, which has &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2015/06/satellite-internet-update-airbus-will.html"&gt;worked with partners&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; from the start. Furthermore, the battle between Trump and universities is hurting research in need of federal funding, while China is funding research and education.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;We will also see&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.politico.eu/article/us-slams-eus-proposed-space-law-as-unacceptable/"&gt;increasing pressure for global regulation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;as i&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;ncidents like the recent&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/three-chinese-astronauts-stranded-space-175858128.html?guccounter=1&amp;amp;guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&amp;amp;guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHYmC9_r99Bs-EP83LiJnWmncH2Bq2nuoWVlGrUSGE2Z_GfjSVGq5lIfUy5Szg3XCRKPlJDyhirdyT-dap1AHQ-aznsgdWfmwtwXuCW4vQ72emoeEUIsghr-QDB51k1frSrr-cHRISwRSZO-T0fhP_S7gMLCSTt5-RxtVNS5z4-9" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;span&gt;stranding of Chinese taikonauts&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;due to a debris strike occur, the world becomes increasingly dependent on&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;space, and LEO becomes increasingly crowded.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp;Those r&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #222222;"&gt;egulations &lt;a href="https://europeanspaceflight.com/us-government-calls-eu-space-act-regulations-unfair-and-unwarranted/"&gt;will constrain Starlink&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;since it already has over &lt;a href="https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellites.html"&gt;8,000 satellites&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;in orbit and over &lt;a href="https://www.advanced-television.com/2025/11/07/starlink-reports-8m-customers/"&gt;8 million customers in over 150 countries&lt;/a&gt;. In the US,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Jeff Bezos may have more influence over regulatory decisions than Musk, who has fallen out of favor with Trump.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;(R&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;egulators &lt;a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0265964625000554"&gt;face a dilemma&lt;/a&gt; in trying to achieve national autonomy and space sustainability.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;)&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Starship and launch capability&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;SpaceX's reusable Falcon 9 rocket gives Starlink a significant advantage, but others will master reusability.&amp;nbsp;Blue Origin has &lt;a href="https://www.space.com/space-exploration/launches-spacecraft/blue-origin-lands-huge-new-glenn-rocket-booster-for-1st-time-after-acing-mars-escapade-launch-for-nasa"&gt;recently&amp;nbsp;landed a New Glen booster&lt;/a&gt; with significantly greater capacity than the Falcon 9 on a drone ship, China's&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;LandSpace hopes to safely land a Zhuque-3 this year, and &lt;a href="https://chat.deepseek.com/a/chat/s/2dfc7802-a15a-498c-bfdf-a1683df632e7"&gt;many other companies&lt;/a&gt; are working on Falcon 9-class reusable rockets.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;While these companies will match SpaceX's current launch capability in a few years, catching up will take much longer if its next rocket, Starship, meets Elon Musk's projected cost, payload capacity, and launch cadence goals, but they have had several test launch failures and are behind schedule. Musk has done some amazing things, like achieving routine rocket reusability, but he has also failed to meet ambitious goals. For example, in 2016, he &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/19/musk-targeting-coast-to-coast-test-drive-of-fully-self-driving-tesla-by-late-2017/"&gt;predicted Tesla would complete a coast-to-coast autonomous drive&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span&gt; with no human intervention by the end of 2017.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Those are some reasons I expect Starlink's competitors, the dwarfs, to survive and cut into its immense lead. I'd welcome arguments pro and con on my belief that the gap between Starlink and the dwarfs will shrink significantly, but Starlink will continue to be an important player.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 11/21/2025&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;I stated above that no government, military, or other organization is comfortable with a sole supplier of a critical good or service, and that includes the U.S. &lt;a href="https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title10-section2273&amp;amp;num=0&amp;amp;edition=prelim"&gt;Section 2273 of Title 12&lt;/a&gt; of the US code calls on the President to act to ensure "the availability of at least two space launch vehicles (or families of space launch vehicles) capable of delivering into space any payload designated by the Secretary of Defense or the Director of National Intelligence as a national security payload".&amp;nbsp; Amazon's New Glen rocket will become the second such vehicle.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 12/4/2025&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;The China National Space Administration (CNSA)&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202511/29/WS692aa4a8a310d6866eb2c11f.html#:~:text=Alongside%20the%20new%20department%2C%20the,use%20of%20national%20space%20resources"&gt;recently formed the Commercial Space Department&lt;/a&gt; to serve as the specialized regulator for all commercial space activities. The CSNA also released a 22-point&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.china-in-space.com/p/china-releases-action-plan-for-promoting"&gt;Action Plan for Promoting the High-Quality and Safe Development of Commercial Space&lt;/a&gt; (2025–27). This is the kind of integrated planning and action that brought China out of poverty, as mentioned above. (Note the emphasis on safe development, indicating concern for the future. (It's reminiscent of the Chinese investment in electric vehicles and charging infrastructure).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;As shown above, state and local government funds 27.5% of Landspace, but that is just one example of&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/chinese-provinces-are-fueling-the-countrys-commercial-space-expansion/"&gt;Chinese provinces funding commercial space&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 12/9/2025&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;Spain and Poland &lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/how-spain-and-poland-pushed-europes-new-priorities-with-record-contributions/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&amp;amp;utm_medium=email&amp;amp;utm_content=A%20Soyuz%20spacecraft%20returns&amp;amp;utm_campaign=FIRST%20UP%20-%202025-12-09"&gt;pushed Europe's new priorities&lt;/a&gt; with record contributions to the European Space Agency (ESA).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;Spain is now the fourth-largest ESA contributor and is focused on developing its own space industry. “Spain will continue to work with ESA to develop its own industry,” said Diana Morant, Spain’s Minister of Science, Innovation, and Universities. “The agency should be the architect of the European spatial infrastructure with industry policy that takes into account all of the stakeholders, particularly SMEs, startups and medium-sized businesses.”&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;Poland, which shares a border with Ukraine and was the first nation Germany invaded in 1939, has a more immediate motive.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 3/2/2026&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;LandSpace wants to &lt;a href="https://www.china-in-space.com?utm_source=navbar&amp;amp;utm_medium=web "&gt;reuse Zhuque-3 boosters by year's end&lt;/a&gt;. They hope to land a booster during the second quarter of 2026 and hope to refly the booster during the fourth quarter. If they succeed in doing so and can ramp up manufacturing and launch cadence, they will have a rocket comparable to the workhorse SpaceX Falcon 9 and be capable of launching satellites for the Chinese LEO satellite "dwarfs."&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.3em; margin: 0px 0px 0.75em;"&gt;&lt;div class="nH"&gt;&lt;div class="aHU hx" style="color: #222222; min-width: 592px; padding: 0px; position: relative;"&gt;&lt;div jslog="20686; u014N:xr6bB; 1:WyIjdGhyZWFkLWE6cjI5NTA5MDM2MzU5MzE5MjczNTEiXQ..; 4:W251bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsMSxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsbnVsbCwxXQ.." role="list"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;clear-link-container&gt;&lt;/clear-link-container&gt;&lt;clear-link-container&gt;&lt;/clear-link-container&gt;&lt;clear-link-container&gt;&lt;/clear-link-container&gt;&lt;clear-link-container&gt;&lt;/clear-link-container&gt;</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/7455614301008926990/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/11/starlink-and-seven-dwarfs.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/7455614301008926990" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/7455614301008926990" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/11/starlink-and-seven-dwarfs.html" rel="alternate" title="Starlink and the Seven Dwarfs" type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" height="72" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgSf0XA1cta7bCl1mG1Mv0SbhW2F2Y46kdVL5s-9V4hD9b3c000VMcN1jLe0k-ARi_0Nm-0Ib9ayjtgCf-MbfHbPmFRwQ04KpP2x6uuQUU6A3hLHwfGw_UGhZT7ESJL-HgT-m9-WC2oC2IWGklKvpQjw46lN1LLJM5-qxILSCW8FUYA4pxTr3xfbA/s72-w640-h318-c/IBMMarketShare.png" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-1061008536962891942</id><published>2025-10-14T16:52:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2025-10-14T17:04:30.492-07:00</updated><title type="text">Western LEO Satellite Internet Update: OneWeb, Telesat, Amazon Project Kuiper and IRIS²</title><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;In an&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/09/chinese-leo-satellite-internet-update.html" target="_blank"&gt;earlier post&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;I updated the status of three Chinese low-Earth orbit (LEO) satellite Internet constellations. This one looks at four western competitors:&amp;nbsp;OneWeb, Telesat, Amazon Project Kuiper, and IRIS². While Starlink is far ahead of each of them and only OneWeb is in operation at this time, I expect each of these and the Chinese constellations to survive and eventually compete with Starlink (stay tuned for the next post).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;OneWeb&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Bill Gates and two partners&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2020/09/bill-gates-has-not-forgotten-teledesic.html"&gt;founded Teledesic&lt;/a&gt;, a would-be LEO satellite Internet service provider, in 1990, but the technology was not yet ready, and Teledesic declared bankruptcy in 2002.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The next&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"&gt;potential LEO Internet service provider, OneWeb,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2017/08/oneweb-satellite-internet-project.html" target="_blank"&gt;was founded by Greg Wyler&lt;/a&gt;, who had extensive experience with networking in developing nations, with the mission of “bridging the digital divide by 2027.” However,&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;it entered bankruptcy in 2020. The company was reorganized and emerged from bankruptcy, and in 2023, it merged with the established geo-stationary satellite (GEO) operator Eutelsat, creating the "Eutelsat Group" company, with subsidiaries "Eutelsat" and "Eutelsat OneWeb.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;In spite of that rocky start, OneWeb is the only company other than Starlink that is offering LEO satellite Internet service today. OneWeb LEO &lt;a href="https://www.theregister.com/2025/08/05/eutelsat_leo_revenue/?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;revenue was 187 million euros&lt;/a&gt; ($216 million) for the 12 months ending June 30,2025, representing around 15% of total Eutelsat Group sales.&amp;nbsp;Starlink&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.pcmag.com/news/how-much-does-starlink-make-this-document-offers-a-glimpse#:~:text=The%2029%2Dpage%20document%20says,from%20Starlink%20hardware%2Drelated%20sales."&gt;revenue for 2024 was $2.7 billion&lt;/a&gt;. OneWeb’s market share, and more importantly, global capacity,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.thestack.technology/sovereignty-bet-eutelsat-is-now-at-0-22-of-starlinks-capacity-and-falling/"&gt;are minuscule compared to those of Starlink&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;That sounds grim, but given Elon Musk’s political activity, Trump’s MAGA/isolationist policy, and the&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/04/the-unprecedented-role-of-internet-in.html"&gt;military value of LEO Internet&lt;/a&gt;, Europe will not let OneWeb fail unless there are viable alternatives to Starlink. This is evidenced by European support&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/06/oneweb-cant-come-close-to-replacing.html"&gt;of OneWeb in Ukraine&lt;/a&gt;, including&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.satellitetoday.com/connectivity/2025/04/04/reuters-reports-eutelsat-is-supplying-internet-in-ukraine-with-german-funding/"&gt;German funding of OneWeb&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;and a&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.satellitetoday.com/opinion/2025/08/07/british-investment-in-eutelsat-bodes-well-for-europes-goal-of-being-sovereign-in-space/?utm_source=Via+Satellite+Email&amp;amp;utm_medium=email&amp;amp;utm_campaign=DNF+Email&amp;amp;oly_enc_id=9418I9558289I8D"&gt;recent British investment&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Finally, note that the Eutelsat Group can offer&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2021/10/multi-orbit-broadband-internet-service.html"&gt;multi-orbit service&lt;/a&gt;, switching seamlessly between Eutelsat GEO and OneWeb LEO satellites or offering OneWeb service to other GEO providers. They&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/08/oneweb-and-intelsat-sign-first-multi.html"&gt;signed their first multi-orbit contract&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;three years ago and have added others since.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;While this gives them an in-house advantage, SES, which operates a middle-Earth orbit constellation, will partner with any LEO or GEO provider &lt;a href="Qianfan may be headed to orbit again at least once before the year ends."&gt;to provide multi-orbit service&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Telesat&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Telesat, an established Canadian GEO satellite operator, was&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2017/11/telesat-fourth-satellite-internet.html"&gt;the next LEO Internet company&lt;/a&gt;. Telesat recognized the trend to LEO, but decided&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2021/05/spacex-starlink-vs-telesat-lightspeed.html"&gt;not to offer consumer connectivity&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Telesat&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2023/09/will-telesat-survive.html"&gt;has been beset by delays&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;and has reduced its initially planned constellation size, but they have contracted (with SpaceX) to begin launching satellites next year. Trump’s immigration and tariff policies, along with talk of annexing Canada, assure us that the Canadian government, which, along with Quebec, has invested in Telesat, will not allow it to fail.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Its initial “Lightspeed” constellation&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/telesat-lightspeed-clears-early-design-review/"&gt;will consist of 198 satellites&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;with a mass of 750 kg, roughly that of Starlink V2 mini satellites.&amp;nbsp; SpaceX is slated to deploy them over the course of a year, starting in mid-2026. Telesat has been booking customers, and their&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/telesat-eyes-golden-dome-opportunity-for-lightspeed/"&gt;LEO backlog now exceeds their GEO backlog&lt;/a&gt;. They plan to provide global service with polar and inclined sub-constellations, are&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/telesat-seeks-partner-for-1bn-ground-station-network-build-out/?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;seeking a ground station partner&lt;/a&gt;, and have terrestrial deals with&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.telesat.com/press/press-releases/vocus-and-telesat-announce-multi-year-telesat-lightspeed-terrestrial-infrastructure-and-services-contract/?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;Vocus&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.mobileworldlive.com/orange/telesat-expands-orange-satellite-options/?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;Orange, and Space Norway&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;While Telesat will not bundle its own LEO and GEO services, they have tested a hybrid deployment between LEO and GEO&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.telesat.com/blog/seeing-is-believing-the-telesat-lightspeed-network-emulator/"&gt;using the Telesat Lightspeed emulator&lt;/a&gt;, showing seamless integration without any issues. Software like the emulator is part of their strategic decision to use&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/10/is-defense-innovation-units-hybrid.html"&gt;Aalyria Spacetime&lt;/a&gt;, a multi-layer, multi-orbit operating system for a temporospatial network, which&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/09/aalyria-space-internet-startup-with.html"&gt;they acquired from Google&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;when the Loon project was abandoned.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Amazon Project Kuiper&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Project Kuiper, which &lt;a href="https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/innovation-at-amazon/project-kuiper-satellite-rocket-launch-progress-updates"&gt;has launched 153 satellites&lt;/a&gt;, is far behind Starlink, which&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellites.html"&gt;has over 8,000&lt;/a&gt;, but Amazon&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/01/amazon-project-kuiper-vs-spacex-starlink.html"&gt;has many things going for it&lt;/a&gt;. From the time it was founded,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2019/04/amazons-orbiting-infrastructure.html"&gt;Amazon was an infrastructure company&lt;/a&gt;, and Project Kuiper is an orbiting infrastructure that&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2020/07/amazon-aerospace-and-satellite.html"&gt;will be strategically paired&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;with Amazon’s complementary terrestrial infrastructure, like fiber and datacenters. Amazon&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2019/07/latecomer-amazon-will-be-formidable.html"&gt;has vast experience in manufacturing and logistics&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;that will stand them in good stead with the manufacturing of terminals as well as satellites.&amp;nbsp;&lt;!--[if gte vml 1]&gt;&lt;v:shapetype
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&lt;/v:shape&gt;&lt;![endif]--&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Project Kuiper is a wholly-owned subsidiary and an initiative of Amazon, and Jeff Bezos is the founder of both Amazon and the Blue Origin launch company, which will launch some Project Kuiper satellites. Amazon itself will also be a significant Kuiper user, and Kuiper will use Amazon’s &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2019/06/amazons-aws-ground-station-service-is.html"&gt;ground station service&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;That’s the good news, but Amazon faces an FCC deadline to launch half the constellation by July 30, 2026, and the remainder by July 30, 2029. They say they will be&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/innovation-at-amazon/project-kuiper-florida-satellite-facility"&gt;able to receive, test, and pack&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;100+ Kuiper satellites per month into the appropriate fairing and claim to have secured 80 launches, but how fast can they manufacture them? They will apply for a waiver from the FCC if necessary, and, like Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos has a lot of money and attended Trump’s inauguration. Earlier, Musk might have stopped an Amazon waiver, but now Trump is&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-hell-deporting-musk-feud-reignites/story?id=123372908"&gt;looking into deporting him&lt;/a&gt;, and &amp;nbsp;Bezos has&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://theconversation.com/washington-posts-turnaround-on-its-opinion-pages-is-returning-journalism-to-its-partisan-roots-but-without-the-principles-251189"&gt;made editorial changes&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;at the Washington Post, which he owns. A political contribution might solve the FCC deadline.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;IRIS²&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.espi.or.at/briefs/iris%C2%B2-growing-up-from-strategic-roots-to-commercial-power-play/"&gt;IRIS² (Infrastructure for Resilience, Interconnectivity and Security by Satellite)&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;is a&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.ft.com/content/8e75ed31-0c72-4160-b406-1ca6aa36a84f?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;€10.6bn project&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;with 61 percent funded publicly and the balance coming from the&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.spacerise.eu/"&gt;SpaceRise industrial consortium&lt;/a&gt;, led by Eutelsat, Hispasat, and SES. SpaceRISE will design, deliver, and operate IRIS² for a period of 12 years.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;They have contracted for 274 satellites in LEO and 18 in MEO, with first launches anticipated for 2029 and completion in 2030.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20241216507993/en/Eutelsat-SpaceRISE-Consortium-Inks-Agreement-as-Concessionaire-for-the-European-Unions-Landmark-IRIS2-Constellation?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;Eutelsat&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;will act as prime contractor leading the design of the LEO segment and co-leading the development of common system elements.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.ses.com/newsroom/ses-led-spacerise-signs-concession-contract-ec-deliver-iris2"&gt;SES&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;will be responsible for procurement, integration, and operation of the MEO satellites, and&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.hispasat.com/en/press-room/press-releases/archivo-2024/479/spacerise-consortium-signs-agreement-with-the-european-commission-and-the-european-space-agency-to-launch-iris2?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;Hispasat&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;will lead the very-low orbital layer of the constellation and design, deliver, and operate the ground segment, manage operations, and interconnection with terrestrial networks. They also expect to&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.euspa.europa.eu/eu-space-programme/secure-satcom/iris2?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;eventually add a GEO sub-constellation&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;This is a unique and complex organization that will have to manage suppliers like Airbus, Thales, OHB, Deutsche Telekom, and &amp;nbsp;Orange. Bureaucracy might be a problem, but Europe&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/03/starlink-is-critical-in-support-of.html"&gt;can not rely on Starlink&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;as Ukraine has during the war with Russia.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;clear-link-container&gt;&lt;/clear-link-container&gt;</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/1061008536962891942/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/10/western-leo-satellite-internet-update.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/1061008536962891942" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/1061008536962891942" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/10/western-leo-satellite-internet-update.html" rel="alternate" title="Western LEO Satellite Internet Update: OneWeb, Telesat, Amazon Project Kuiper and IRIS²" type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-9134765065824862395</id><published>2025-09-17T16:21:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2025-09-22T22:34:07.580-07:00</updated><title type="text">SES's unique three-orbit satellite Internet strategy</title><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right; margin-left: 1em; text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEima-B_nrCyERFaGFlTkRQkWDR811ZxS4-oePQbimvTVJUSa-d-7Ws_kANJZN_aVDhT3wJ2hNGzsCE2PPG7YVI0bqgQXZJoGQCRWYnlQOhq_Z-IT9FbTa_ZZtSaF_9ejHvEIs4ILkLLffVzogqu6E3lr5Y-xgbS-NeZ7XoeLs02S_9PL3aBkROA8w/s1518/SES3OrbitStrategy2.png" style="clear: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="1518" data-original-width="1369" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEima-B_nrCyERFaGFlTkRQkWDR811ZxS4-oePQbimvTVJUSa-d-7Ws_kANJZN_aVDhT3wJ2hNGzsCE2PPG7YVI0bqgQXZJoGQCRWYnlQOhq_Z-IT9FbTa_ZZtSaF_9ejHvEIs4ILkLLffVzogqu6E3lr5Y-xgbS-NeZ7XoeLs02S_9PL3aBkROA8w/s320/SES3OrbitStrategy2.png" width="289" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;SES's three-orbit offering is unique.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;In 2021, OneWeb CEO &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2021/10/multi-orbit-broadband-internet-service.html"&gt;Neil Masterson said&lt;/a&gt;, "Interoperability with GEO satellites must happen -- it's common sense ... Customers don't care whether it's a LEO satellite or a GEO satellite -- all they want is connectivity," &lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;and ten months later, OneWeb and Intelsat &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/08/oneweb-and-intelsat-sign-first-multi.html"&gt;signed the first multi-orbit broadband agreement&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;SES, which was already a LEO-MEO operator in 2021, is now pursuing a three-orbit strategy, but they are not planning to launch a LEO constellation, but will&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #111111; font-family: inherit;"&gt;blend multiple partners’ constellations into a unified three-orbit offering.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="color: #111111; font-family: inherit;"&gt;SES's first multi-orbit partnership was &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.ses.com/press-release/ses-introduces-cruise-industrys-first-integrated-meo-leo-service-starlink"&gt;Cruise mPOWERED + Starlink&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="color: #111111;"&gt;,&amp;nbsp; providing a managed blend of SES MEO and Starlink LEO service for maritime operators,&amp;nbsp;and we can expect similar bundled services in aviation and enterprise markets.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;SES and Lynk Global&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.ses.com/press-release/ses-and-lynk-global-announce-strategic-partnership-direct-device-d2d-services"&gt;plan to provide&lt;/a&gt; direct-to-device (D2D) connectivity through Lynk's "cell towers in space" and SES's MEO backhaul and terrestrial infrastructure.&amp;nbsp;&lt;span&gt;(SES operates the largest fiber network among satellite providers, with global reach through 150 owned and partner teleports and 50 points of presence.)&amp;nbsp;Might SES also offer&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;AST SpaceMobile D2D service?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;SES recently completed its acquisition of GEO operator Intelsat, giving it 120 LEO and MEO satellites, but it also inherited Intelsat's &lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/intelsat-expands-oneweb-leo-partnership/"&gt;commitment to buy $250 million worth of LEO capacity&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;from OneWeb over six years, giving it access to an operating LEO constellation.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;SES and OndWeb's parent company Eutelsat are both members of the&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.ses.com/newsroom/ses-led-spacerise-signs-concession-contract-ec-deliver-iris2" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;SpaceRISE consortium&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;that is building the Iris^2 &lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;multi-orbit network.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/01/amazon-project-kuiper-vs-spacex-starlink.html"&gt;Amazon’s Project Kuiper&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;is ramping up launch campaigns and seeking distribution partners, and SES’s &lt;a href="https://extensia.tech/ses-unveils-new-brand-following-merger-with-intelsat-marking-bold-step-in-satellite-industry/"&gt;global ground infrastructure&lt;/a&gt; and government contracts make selective Kuiper integration plausible, especially for defense and enterprise deals. Project Kuiper &lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/project-kuiper-plots-broadband-services-in-five-countries-by-end-of-march/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&amp;amp;utm_medium=email&amp;amp;utm_content=A%20direct-to-device%20race%20takes%20shape&amp;amp;utm_campaign=FIRST%20UP%202025-09-17"&gt;expects to offer service&lt;/a&gt; in the US and four other countries by the end of March and approximately 26 countries by the end ot next year.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2023/09/will-telesat-survive.html"&gt;Telesat's&amp;nbsp; LEO constellation Light&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2023/09/will-telesat-survive.html" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;speed&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;targets enterprise and government -- markets SES knows well. If Lightspeed reaches orbit at scale, SES could combine its MEO and GEO coverage with Telesat’s polar-friendly LEO. Telesat also offers GEO connectivity, but instead of offering multi-orbit service, they will sell Lightspeed to other GEO providers.&amp;nbsp;For example, they have an agreement &lt;a href="https://www.telesat.com/press/press-releases/telesat-secures-substantial-multi-year-contract-with-viasat-for-telesat-lightspeed-services/"&gt;to provide LEO service to Viasat&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div&gt;These early and potential LEO partners are all US or European companies, and SES is in Luxembourg, which is now a member of NATO, but it was neutral before World War II and is relatively liberal. While it is inconceivable today, might SES&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/09/chinese-leo-satellite-internet-update.html"&gt;collaborate with a Chinese LEO constellation&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;one day? Perhaps starting with geo-fenced service in China or Belt and Road initiative nations.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This move makes SES unique. They will offer three-orbit service without the cost and delay of a new LEO constellation, and will be able to select the best LEO provider for a given application. They also plan to gradually grow their MEO constellation, &lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/ses-moves-to-iterative-meo-deployment-with-k2-space-partnership/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&amp;amp;utm_medium=email&amp;amp;utm_content=A%20direct-to-device%20race%20takes%20shape&amp;amp;utm_campaign=FIRST%20UP%202025-09-17"&gt;adding a satellite every year&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;That being said, they are facing stiff competition from Starlink today, and Amazon's Project Kuiper &lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/project-kuiper-plots-broadband-services-in-five-countries-by-end-of-march/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&amp;amp;utm_medium=email&amp;amp;utm_content=A%20direct-to-device%20race%20takes%20shape&amp;amp;utm_campaign=FIRST%20UP%202025-09-17"&gt;will be in service soon&lt;/a&gt;. They will be competing with their partners in some cases and sharing profits with them in all cases. It also remains to be seen how smoothly they can technically and operationally integrate heterogeneous LEO partners at a competitive cost. Stay tuned.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;clear-link-container&gt;&lt;/clear-link-container&gt;</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/9134765065824862395/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/09/sess-three-orbit-satellite-internet.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/9134765065824862395" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/9134765065824862395" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/09/sess-three-orbit-satellite-internet.html" rel="alternate" title="SES's unique three-orbit satellite Internet strategy" type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" height="72" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEima-B_nrCyERFaGFlTkRQkWDR811ZxS4-oePQbimvTVJUSa-d-7Ws_kANJZN_aVDhT3wJ2hNGzsCE2PPG7YVI0bqgQXZJoGQCRWYnlQOhq_Z-IT9FbTa_ZZtSaF_9ejHvEIs4ILkLLffVzogqu6E3lr5Y-xgbS-NeZ7XoeLs02S_9PL3aBkROA8w/s72-c/SES3OrbitStrategy2.png" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-3936428518047618729</id><published>2025-09-01T17:56:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2026-03-07T14:40:19.985-08:00</updated><title type="text">Chinese LEO satellite Internet update</title><content type="html">&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;China has pursued a strategy of&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/24090454_The_Internet_in_India_and_China#fullTextFileContent"&gt;competition among government-owned organizations&lt;/a&gt;, and it initiated two government-owned constellation projects,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2019/06/hongyun-project-chinas-low-earth-orbit.html"&gt;Hongyun&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;and&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2020/01/china-will-be-formidable-satellite.html"&gt;Hongyan&lt;/a&gt;, in 2018. In April 2020, China’s National Development and Reform Commission&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://satellitemarkets.com/constellation-watch-china-incubating-answer-starlink#:~:text=The%20most%20apparent%20policy%20decision,industries%20clustering%20in%20specific%20cities."&gt;included “satellite internet”&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;on its “new infrastructures” list, and China applied to the ITU for&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2020/10/a-new-chinese-broadband-satellite.html"&gt;a new constellation, called &amp;nbsp;GW&lt;/a&gt;. Hongyun and Hongyan were dropped, and GW, also called China Satnet or Guowang, emerged as&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2021/03/guowang-starlink-will-be-chinas-global.html"&gt;China’s global Internet service provider&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;and it was followed by two others,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/06/two-new-chinese-internet-service.html"&gt;Qianfan and Honghu-3&lt;/a&gt;. These are all far behind Starlink, but they will have protected markets and China is developing new launch vehicles and satellite manufacturing capacity.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Gwowang&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;China’s&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.gov.cn/xinwen/2021-03/13/content_5592681.htm"&gt;14th Five-Year Plan (2021-2025)&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;for National Economic and Social Development and Long-Range Objectives Through the Year 2035 called for building an integrated communications, Earth observation, and satellite navigation system with global coverage. Guowang &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2021/03/guowang-starlink-will-be-chinas-global.html"&gt;is the constellation they called for&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Guowang&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2020/10/a-new-chinese-broadband-satellite.html"&gt;consists of two sub-constellations&lt;/a&gt;, designated GW-A59 (6,080 satellites) and GW-2 (6,912 satellites). GW-2 will orbit at 1,145 km, and &amp;nbsp;GW-A59 will orbit around half that. The ITU filing was in September of 2020, and after a long delay, the first ten GW-2 satellites&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/01/guowang-finally-launches-ten-large.html"&gt;were launched at the end of 2024&lt;/a&gt;, and they now have 81 in orbit. The cadence has picked up recently -- China just&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/china-sends-10th-group-of-guowang-broadband-satellites-into-orbit-with-long-march-8a-launch/"&gt;launched another batch of Guowang satellites&lt;/a&gt;. This was the ninth Guowang launch this year and the sixth in the last 30 days. Even at this cadence,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/02/update-on-china-satnets-guowang.html"&gt;it is unclear&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;that they can manufacture and launch enough satellites to meet the ITU launch deadlines. Perhaps the Chinese have decided that, given launch and manufacturing resources, they would not be able to meet ITU deadlines for all of their constellations, so they are focusing on Guowang, which can be seen as most critical for the government.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Little technical information is available, but considering the capacities of the various rockets used to launch Guowang satellites and the number of satellites in each launch, it seems there are two sizes of satellite:&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/08/estimating-guowang-internet-service.html"&gt;large satellites of around 16,600 kg&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;and smaller satellites of around 889 kg. While these are imprecise estimates, they indicate two classes of satellite with different capabilities and functions. (Note that the relatively high altitude GW-2 sub-constellation has both large and small satellites).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Several&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.thespacereview.com/article/5004/1"&gt;Guowang test satellites&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;have also been launched, suggesting strategic government and military applications like&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://thespacereview.com/article/4831/1(see"&gt;Signals intelligence&lt;/a&gt;, positioning, navigation, and imaging applications in addition to Internet service.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Qianfan&lt;/b&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Shanghai Spacecom Satellite Technology (SSST), a private company backed by the Shanghai municipal government and the Chinese Academy of Sciences, is developing&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/06/two-new-chinese-internet-service.html"&gt;the Qianfan constellation&lt;/a&gt;. The planned satellites will orbit at 1,160 km, which is higher than the other announced LEO satellite competitors except Telesat. While this will increase latency, collision risk, satellite lifespan, handoff frequency, and coverage footprint should improve.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Their plan called for 648 satellites providing regional service by the end of 2025 and global service with a second 648 satellites by the end of 2027. By 2030, they planned to have 15,000 satellites in orbit and offer direct-to-mobile service, but it does not look like they will make these goals.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;It's been a year since&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.space.com/china-first-launch-internet-satellite-megaconstellation"&gt;the first Qianfan launch&lt;/a&gt;, but five months since the last on? Blae. Is the slowdown due to satellite or launch availability, or are they pausing for some redesign, or bothine Curcio reports that they are “&lt;a href="https://chinaspacemonitor.substack.com/p/51-rocket-production-sites"&gt;having a very hard time&lt;/a&gt;"&amp;nbsp;finding rockets to send full batches of 18 satellit&amp;nbsp;to orbit, but they have also had operational problems. The upper stage of the first launches&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/chinese-rocket-stage-breaks-up-into-cloud-of-more-than-700-pieces-of-space-debris/#:~:text=Posted%20inLaunch-,Chinese%20rocket%20stage%20breaks%20up%20into%20cloud%20of%20more%20than,to%20receive%20the%20first%20edition."&gt;fragmented&lt;/a&gt;, creating over 300 pieces of trackable debris, and ninety&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://planet4589.org/space/con/qf/stats.html"&gt;satellites are in orbit&lt;/a&gt;, but fourteen have not reached their operational altitude. Furthermore, the satellites are&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/brightness-of-first-chinese-broadband-constellation-satellites-alarms-astronomers/"&gt;interfering with astronomy&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;nbsp;and&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.07194"&gt;some are tumbling&lt;/a&gt;. Regardless of the cause for delays, Qianfan is unlikely to meet its ITU launch deadlines.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Qianfan is a more direct competitor to Starlink than Guowang, which is primarily focused on domestic telecommunications and national security. SSST has been actively marketing wholesale service through foreign telecom companies under the Sailspace brand name. They had MOUs with several nations in&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://chinaspacemonitor.substack.com/p/scenes-from-zhuhai"&gt;six initial target markets&lt;/a&gt;, as shown below, and they have subsequently been actively marketing in&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.wired.com/story/china-starlink-competitor-satellites/?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;Asia, Africa, and Latin America&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;!--[if gte vml 1]&gt;&lt;v:shape
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Landscape owns&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.newspace.im/constellations/hongqing-technology#:~:text=Hongqing%20Technology%2C%20founded%20in%202017,developing%20Hall%20thruster%20propulsion%20technology."&gt;48% of Hongqing Technology&lt;/a&gt;, which is developing the&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/chinese-firm-files-plans-for-10000-satellite-constellation/?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;10,000-satellite Honghu-3 constellation&lt;/a&gt;. Honghu-3 satellites will be&amp;nbsp;in six planes,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://planet4589.org/space/con/conlist.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;ranging from 340-550 km&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Landspace&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/chinas-spacex-rival-landspace-eyes-ipo-shanghai-2025-07-30/#:~:text=A%20successful%20test%20of%20Zhuque,backed%20China%20SME%20Development%20Fund."&gt;has a pending IPO&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;and is developing&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/china-is-about-to-start-trying-to-land-and-reuse-its-rockets/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&amp;amp;utm_medium=email&amp;amp;utm_content=Kicking%20off%20the%20Proliferated%20Warfighter%20Space%20Architecture%20era&amp;amp;utm_campaign=FIRST%20UP%202025-08-26"&gt;the Zhuque-3 rocket&lt;/a&gt;, which they plan to launch later this year. The Zhuque-3 will&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/china-to-debut-new-long-march-and-commercial-rockets-in-2025/#:~:text=The%20stainless%20steel%2C%20two%2Dstage,returning%20to%20the%20launch%20site"&gt;carry about 21,000 kg to LEO&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;in an expendable configuration – less than an expendable Falcon 9, but more than a reusable Falcon 9. This connection to a rocket manufacturer is reminiscent of SpaceX's relationship with Starlink and Project Kuiper's with Blue Origin. (Several other Chinese companies &lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/china-is-about-to-start-trying-to-land-and-reuse-its-rockets/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&amp;amp;utm_medium=email&amp;amp;utm_content=Kicking%20off%20the%20Proliferated%20Warfighter%20Space%20Architecture%20era&amp;amp;utm_campaign=FIRST%20UP%202025-08-26"&gt;are also working on reusable rockets&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Honghu-3 was announced after Guowang and Qianfan, and relatively little is known of their plans and technology, but Landspace has valuable experience as a private company. As you see in &lt;a href="https://chatgpt.com/share/68b4e42e-b840-8004-8d70-3e258831d092"&gt;this conversation with ChatGPT&lt;/a&gt;, Landscape has a complex mix of private, state, and local government investors dating back to its founding, and it estimates the ownership breakdown as roughly 60% private, national government 15-20%, and provincial/municipal around 20%.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 9/14/2025&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;The Hong Kong Office of the Communications Authority has released &lt;a href=" https://www.ofca.gov.hk/filemanager/ofca/en/content_669/tr202509_02.pdf"&gt;a report on a Qianfan test&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;using both the standard and high-performance terminals conducted on a cruise ship in Victoria Harbour, Hong Kong. The ship had an unobstructed view of eight satellites orbiting in a plane over Hong Kong.&amp;nbsp; They tested Web page loading, HD video playback, WeChat video calls, and large online games.&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;The tester accessed the Baidu hot search page using a mobile browser, and images and text loaded quickly; video playback was also smooth.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;There was no lag or abnormal playback when streaming 4K high-definition video from the CCTV website.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The WeChat video communication quality was comparable to that of terrestrial 4G/5G networks. The video remained stable during the test, with no noticeable lag.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The user experience while playing League of Legends was good, and the network delay was kept at 60 to 70 milliseconds.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The report also lists the technical specifications of both the standard and high-performance terminals, and speed tests for both terminals are shown below.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg4_NF1X8QQPwmmXr2I57dhSfDs9DvAMxSlmWvhfIc9KACoBjfN0vYEWNy4A-gFQiuenxEjboMuXiOoLxExmRXmNN_gjXekHF6mfq7WIlUsic7FVB7LLE-ZeRWzhsWQ6RLDcKYiwK4qU6hdntaajpR14JLWm6_rzkpwQFFph2vTD5D-FJaF0CB4-A/s2816/QianfanSpeedTestEnglish.png" style="clear: left; display: inline; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="1264" data-original-width="2816" height="144" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg4_NF1X8QQPwmmXr2I57dhSfDs9DvAMxSlmWvhfIc9KACoBjfN0vYEWNy4A-gFQiuenxEjboMuXiOoLxExmRXmNN_gjXekHF6mfq7WIlUsic7FVB7LLE-ZeRWzhsWQ6RLDcKYiwK4qU6hdntaajpR14JLWm6_rzkpwQFFph2vTD5D-FJaF0CB4-A/s320/QianfanSpeedTestEnglish.png" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 10/23/2025&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Quinfan resumed launches with a batch of 18 satellites after a six-month delay, presumably to correct for the problems of an exploding first stage, tumbling satellites, and interference with astronomy. They &lt;a href="https://planet4589.org/space/con/qf/stats.html#:~:text=Total%20working:%20Total%20of%20satellites,orbit%20raising%20towards%20operational%20altitude"&gt;have now launched 108 satellites&lt;/a&gt;, and 14 have failed and are decaying, 94 are working, and 67 are in their operational orbit.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;As mentioned above, Blaine Curcio noted that they were also “having a very hard time" finding rockets to send full batches of 18 satellites to orbit, but Andrew Jones reports that they&amp;nbsp;have expanded launch procurement beyond state provider CASC, awarding $187 million in contracts to Landspace, Space Pioneer, and CAS Space. Still, there is no way they will meet the original goals of 648 satellites providing regional service by the end of 2025 and global service with a second 648 satellites by the end of 2027.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 1/9/2026&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;After the December 26 &lt;a href="https://www.china-in-space.com/p/long-march-8a-completes-debut-year?utm_campaign=post&amp;amp;utm_medium=email&amp;amp;triedRedirect=true"&gt;launch of nine satellites&lt;/a&gt;, there are now 136 Guowang spacecraft in space, functioning in and heading up to their operational orbit. They were launched by a Long March 8A rocket, so they were probably &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/01/guowang-finally-launches-ten-large.html"&gt;the smaller Guowang satellites&lt;/a&gt;. Guowang plans to launch 310 satellites in 2026, 900 in 2027, and 3,600 every year beginning in 2028.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;A Chinese fisherman was able to retrieve the fairing from the launch -- a cool souvenir.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh6G7PNUCS1fnLzP00bZMgy6RGNdIAHfbqWzWqgwMbP0q9fuoT0JcjYyONFOKAsZEzmQ5yCor8pM-H0vbMIXVOOVeZ_BSghA9Z32cwAlMP-kTTHTfUQqB-HVXMIlPlkjiDCuGuw5Nq87yNDIGLGHqg6vI8qsVaSIzvt7JOCgdrZYZwee-2aud808A/s1139/ChineseFairing.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="853" data-original-width="1139" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh6G7PNUCS1fnLzP00bZMgy6RGNdIAHfbqWzWqgwMbP0q9fuoT0JcjYyONFOKAsZEzmQ5yCor8pM-H0vbMIXVOOVeZ_BSghA9Z32cwAlMP-kTTHTfUQqB-HVXMIlPlkjiDCuGuw5Nq87yNDIGLGHqg6vI8qsVaSIzvt7JOCgdrZYZwee-2aud808A/s320/ChineseFairing.png" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 3/7/2026&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgr4G6-Q440tryNIUGOiGE6vF2UVZrh7VJFtpES_an7vSm5CAK5bEXqbLZ83uRbqL7FnnjtlF2iXK0h6bswwZgzWoxXkgfmEDqlhpYmzoPaDaVEYCbwYk0a74wk7TvVM0oGcEEkWm2jtsr3gLYZGwNAGhW3eEVv0VxzE_tyE8-h9SRpQmBVil3SPg/s1080/LandSpacePezDispenser.webp" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="726" data-original-width="1080" height="215" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgr4G6-Q440tryNIUGOiGE6vF2UVZrh7VJFtpES_an7vSm5CAK5bEXqbLZ83uRbqL7FnnjtlF2iXK0h6bswwZgzWoxXkgfmEDqlhpYmzoPaDaVEYCbwYk0a74wk7TvVM0oGcEEkWm2jtsr3gLYZGwNAGhW3eEVv0VxzE_tyE8-h9SRpQmBVil3SPg/s320/LandSpacePezDispenser.webp" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Zhuque-3’s next booster landing attempt is &lt;a href=" https://www.china-in-space.com/p/landspace-wants-to-reuse-zhuque-3 "&gt;set for the second quarter of this year&lt;/a&gt;, and they hope to begin re-flying boosters during the fourth quarter. https://www.china-in-space.com/p/landspace-wants-to-reuse-zhuque-3&amp;nbsp;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;They have also successfully &lt;a href=" https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/_qdctzuFMyWDToq5Xb9tpw?poc_token=HIZorGmjmGFU1rKe3FbY8lYmahdWNCzzfGAsZ9pP"&gt;tested their version of a “Pez dispenser”&lt;/a&gt; for satellite stacking and release, so they may be ready for full-scale satellite deployment later this year, serving the Chinese LEO satellite Internet service providers.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/3936428518047618729/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/09/chinese-leo-satellite-internet-update.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/3936428518047618729" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/3936428518047618729" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/09/chinese-leo-satellite-internet-update.html" rel="alternate" title="Chinese LEO satellite Internet update" type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" height="72" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEgEN9gDNW8-BHldeu3_XQT-fDQNCqTVd37hEJK2OFet4w7nt_55UKAbZ1MnO_9Fsj14nxX42XiZQ5PrmoDUcF6otie3wuAFXXgBNAVXWPjiRnQAo4efH7z1Bme8gKAPzEC0kOlrzj9KcHWhVoePc3E3b-M80cG4cLgtgIy-_S4tuSrSq9gGNDC4KQ=s72-c" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-4135094975804439939</id><published>2025-08-27T01:57:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2025-11-20T11:06:41.747-08:00</updated><title type="text"> Starlink and the seven dwarfs</title><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: medium;"&gt;This post has been superseded, see:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: medium;"&gt;https://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/11/starlink-and-seven-dwarfs.html&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgUpKV_xGn9s7SV7pqWxe2rxZEz7L4fchFKHXM98VITJjVujdZMNs0Pgzjh6O5-78WUUgbd8oSJ3XB0f8Rc9XHVkeX1QxSWtAAKs6LVSsGLoX81zoNM5_ryWH7__K3WL2CCO-ejAFw-lSgeHZT0fyAQBTsL1LFvKJ-G73b-Vg0VSsylW90-YCH4eg/s2379/IBMMarketShare.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="1180" data-original-width="2379" height="318" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgUpKV_xGn9s7SV7pqWxe2rxZEz7L4fchFKHXM98VITJjVujdZMNs0Pgzjh6O5-78WUUgbd8oSJ3XB0f8Rc9XHVkeX1QxSWtAAKs6LVSsGLoX81zoNM5_ryWH7__K3WL2CCO-ejAFw-lSgeHZT0fyAQBTsL1LFvKJ-G73b-Vg0VSsylW90-YCH4eg/w640-h318/IBMMarketShare.png" width="640" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;Source: ChatGPT&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the 1960s, IBM dominated the computer market,
which was often referred to as “IBM and the seven dwarfs.” IBM is prosperous today,
but no longer dominant. The low-Earth orbit (LEO) satellite Internet service market today
is reminiscent of that time, but it’s "SpaceX Starlink and the seven dwarfs."&amp;nbsp;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;As of August 2025, Apple's market cap is approximately $3.363 trillion, while IBM's is around $223.03 billion. I do not expect Starlink to drop off that precipitously, but its lead will be significantly diminished. Five of IBM's dwarfs failed, and two merged to form Unisys, which has a market capitalization of $280.18 million; however, I expect all of Starlink's dwarfs to survive.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Let's look at today's dwarfs.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;OneWeb&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Bill Gates and two partners &lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20200917-bill-gates-has-not-forgotten-teledesic"&gt;founded
Teledesic&lt;/a&gt;, a would-be LEO satellite Internet service
provider, in 1990, but the technology was not yet ready, and Teledesic declared
bankruptcy in 2002. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The next would-be LEO Internet service provider, OneWeb, &lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20170824_oneweb_satellite_internet_project_status_update"&gt;was
founded by Greg Wyler&lt;/a&gt;, who had extensive experience with networking in
developing nations, with the mission of “bridging the digital divide by 2027”,
but it entered bankruptcy in 2020. The company was reorganized and emerged from
bankruptcy, and in 2023 merged with established geo-stationary satellite (GEO) operator
Eutelsat, creating the "Eutelsat Group" company, with subsidiaries
"Eutelsat" and "Eutelsat OneWeb.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;In spite of that rocky start, OneWeb is the only company
other than Starlink that is offering LEO satellite Internet service today. OneWeb
LEO revenue was 187 million euros ($216 million) for the 12 months ending June
30,2025, representing around 15% of total Eutelsat Group sales.&amp;nbsp;Starlink &lt;a href="https://www.pcmag.com/news/how-much-does-starlink-make-this-document-offers-a-glimpse#:~:text=The%2029%2Dpage%20document%20says,from%20Starlink%20hardware%2Drelated%20sales."&gt;revenue
for 2024 was $2.7 billion&lt;/a&gt;. OneWeb’s market share, and more importantly,
global capacity,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.thestack.technology/sovereignty-bet-eutelsat-is-now-at-0-22-of-starlinks-capacity-and-falling/"&gt;are
minuscule compared to those of Starlink&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;That sounds grim, but given Elon Musk’s political activity,
Trump’s MAGA/isolationist policy, and the &lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20220411-the-unprecedented-role-of-the-internet-in-the-war-in-ukraine"&gt;military value of LEO Internet&lt;/a&gt;, Europe will not let OneWeb fail unless there are
viable alternatives to Starlink. This is evidenced by European support&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/oneweb-cant-come-close-to-replacing-starlink-in-ukraine-but-it-could-complement-it"&gt;of OneWeb in Ukraine&lt;/a&gt;, including &lt;a href="https://www.satellitetoday.com/connectivity/2025/04/04/reuters-reports-eutelsat-is-supplying-internet-in-ukraine-with-german-funding/"&gt;German
funding of OneWeb&lt;/a&gt; and a &lt;a href="https://www.satellitetoday.com/opinion/2025/08/07/british-investment-in-eutelsat-bodes-well-for-europes-goal-of-being-sovereign-in-space/?utm_source=Via+Satellite+Email&amp;amp;utm_medium=email&amp;amp;utm_campaign=DNF+Email&amp;amp;oly_enc_id=9418I9558289I8D"&gt;recent
British investment&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Finally, note that the Eutelsat Group can offer &lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20211020-multi-orbit-broadband-internet-service"&gt;multi-orbit
service&lt;/a&gt;, switching seamlessly between Eutelsat GEO and OneWeb LEO satellites
or offering OneWeb service to other GEO providers. They &lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20220818-oneweb-and-intelsat-sign-the-first-multi-orbit-broadband-agreement-more-to-come"&gt;signed
their first multi-orbit contract&lt;/a&gt; three years ago and have added others
since.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Telesat&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Telesat, an established Canadian GEO satellite operator, was
&lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20171113_telesat_a_fourth_satellite_internet_competitor"&gt;the
next LEO Internet company&lt;/a&gt;. Telesat recognized
the trend to LEO, but decided &lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20210519-spacex-starlink-vs-telesat-lightspeed"&gt;not
to offer consumer connectivity&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Telesat &lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20230919-will-telesat-survive"&gt;has been beset
by delays&lt;/a&gt; and has reduced its initially planned constellation size, but
they have contracted (with SpaceX) to begin launching satellites next year.
Trump’s immigration and tariff policies, along with talk of annexing Canada,
assure us that the Canadian government, which, along with Quebec, has invested
in Telesat, will not allow it to fail.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The initial “Lightspeed” constellation &lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/telesat-lightspeed-clears-early-design-review/"&gt;will
consist of 198 satellites&lt;/a&gt; with a mass of 750 kg, roughly that of Starlink
V2 mini satellites.&amp;nbsp; SpaceX is slated to
deploy them over the course of a year, starting in mid-2026. Telesat has been
booking customers, and their &lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/telesat-eyes-golden-dome-opportunity-for-lightspeed/"&gt;LEO
backlog now exceeds their GEO backlog&lt;/a&gt;. They plan to provide global service
with polar and inclined sub-constellations, are &lt;a href="https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/telesat-seeks-partner-for-1bn-ground-station-network-build-out/?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;seeking
a ground station partner&lt;/a&gt;, and have terrestrial deals with &lt;a href="https://www.telesat.com/press/press-releases/vocus-and-telesat-announce-multi-year-telesat-lightspeed-terrestrial-infrastructure-and-services-contract/?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;Vocus&lt;/a&gt;,
&lt;a href="https://www.mobileworldlive.com/orange/telesat-expands-orange-satellite-options/?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;Orange,
and Space Norway&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;While Telesat will not bundle its own LEO and GEO
services, they have tested a hybrid deployment between LEO and GEO &lt;a href="https://www.telesat.com/blog/seeing-is-believing-the-telesat-lightspeed-network-emulator/"&gt;using
the Telesat Lightspeed emulator&lt;/a&gt;, showing seamless integration without any
issues. Software like the emulator is part of their strategic decision to use &lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20221028-is-defense-innovation-units-hybrid-space-architecture-arpanet-of-space-and-will-it-run-on-aalyria-spacetime"&gt;Aalyria
Spacetime&lt;/a&gt;, a multi-layer, multi-orbit operating system for a
temporospatial network, which &lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20220927-aalyria-a-space-internet-startup-with-nearly-a-decades-worth-of-intellectual-property-from-alphabet"&gt;they
acquired from Google&lt;/a&gt; when the Loon project was abandoned.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Amazon Project Kuiper&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Project Kuiper, which has only&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://planet4589.org/space/con/conlist.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;101
operational satellites in orbit today&lt;/a&gt;, is far behind Starlink, which&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-satellites.html"&gt;has over 8,000&lt;/a&gt;,
but Amazon &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/01/amazon-project-kuiper-vs-spacex-starlink.html"&gt;has
many things going for it&lt;/a&gt;. From the time it was founded, &lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20190411_amazons_orbiting_infrastructure"&gt;Amazonwas an infrastructure company&lt;/a&gt;, and Project Kuiper is an orbiting infrastructure that &lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20200707-amazon-aerospace-and-satellite-solutions-integrating"&gt;willbe strategically paired&lt;/a&gt; with Amazon’s complementary terrestrial
infrastructure, like fiber and datacenters. Amazon &lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20190719_latecomer_amazon_will_be_a_formidable_satellite_isp_competitor"&gt;hasvast experience in manufacturing and logistics&lt;/a&gt; that will stand them in good
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also be a significant Kuiper user, and Kuiper will use Amazon’s ground station
service.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;That’s the good news, but Amazon faces an FCC deadline to
launch half the constellation by July 30, 2026, and the remainder by July 30,
2029. They say they will be &lt;a href="https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/innovation-at-amazon/project-kuiper-florida-satellite-facility"&gt;able
to receive, test, and pack&lt;/a&gt; 100+ Kuiper satellites per month into the
appropriate fairing and claim to have secured 80 launches, but how fast can
they manufacture them? They will apply for a waiver from the FCC, if necessary, and. like Elon
Musk, Jeff Bezos has a lot of money and attended Trump’s inauguration. Earlier, Musk
might have stopped an Amazon waiver, but now Trump is &lt;a href="https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-hell-deporting-musk-feud-reignites/story?id=123372908"&gt;looking
into deporting him&lt;/a&gt;, and &amp;nbsp;Bezos has &lt;a href="https://theconversation.com/washington-posts-turnaround-on-its-opinion-pages-is-returning-journalism-to-its-partisan-roots-but-without-the-principles-251189"&gt;made
editorial changes&lt;/a&gt; at the Washington Post, which he owns. A political contribution might solve
the FCC deadline.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;IRIS²&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.espi.or.at/briefs/iris%C2%B2-growing-up-from-strategic-roots-to-commercial-power-play/"&gt;IRIS²
(Infrastructure for Resilience, Interconnectivity and Security by Satellite)&lt;/a&gt;
is a &lt;a href="https://www.ft.com/content/8e75ed31-0c72-4160-b406-1ca6aa36a84f?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;€10.6bn
project&lt;/a&gt; with 61 per cent funded publicly and the balance coming from the &lt;a href="https://www.spacerise.eu/"&gt;SpaceRise industrial consortium&lt;/a&gt;, led by
Eutelsat, Hispasat, and SES. SpaceRISE will design, deliver, and operate IRIS² for a period
of 12 years. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;They have contracted for 274 satellites in LEO and 18 in
MEO, with first launches anticipated for 2029 and completion in 2030. &lt;a href="https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20241216507993/en/Eutelsat-SpaceRISE-Consortium-Inks-Agreement-as-Concessionaire-for-the-European-Unions-Landmark-IRIS2-Constellation?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;Eutelsat&lt;/a&gt;
will act as prime contractor leading the design of the LEO segment and
co-leading the development of common system elements. &lt;a href="https://www.ses.com/newsroom/ses-led-spacerise-signs-concession-contract-ec-deliver-iris2"&gt;SES&lt;/a&gt;
will be responsible for procurement, integration, and operation of the MEO satellites,
and &lt;a href="https://www.hispasat.com/en/press-room/press-releases/archivo-2024/479/spacerise-consortium-signs-agreement-with-the-european-commission-and-the-european-space-agency-to-launch-iris2?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;Hispasat&lt;/a&gt;
will lead the very low orbital layer (Low LEO) of the constellation and design,
deliver, and operate the ground segment, manage operations, and interconnection
with terrestrial networks. They also expect to &lt;a href="https://www.euspa.europa.eu/eu-space-programme/secure-satcom/iris2?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;eventually
add a GEO sub-constellation&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;This is a unique and complex organization that will have to
manage suppliers like Airbus, Thales, OHB, Deutsche Telekom, and &amp;nbsp;Orange. Bureaucracy might be a problem, but Europe &lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/starlink-is-critical-in-support-of-ukraine-and-it-will-continue"&gt;can not rely on Starlink&lt;/a&gt; as Ukraine has during the war with Russia.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Three Chinese Dwarfs&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;China has pursued a strategy of &lt;a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/24090454_The_Internet_in_India_and_China#fullTextFileContent"&gt;competition
among government-owned organizations&lt;/a&gt;, and it initiated two government-owned constellation projects, &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2019/06/hongyun-project-chinas-low-earth-orbit.html"&gt;Hongyun&lt;/a&gt;
and &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2020/01/china-will-be-formidable-satellite.html"&gt;Hongyan&lt;/a&gt;,
in 2016. In April 2020, China’s National
Development and Reform Commission &lt;a href="https://satellitemarkets.com/constellation-watch-china-incubating-answer-starlink#:~:text=The%20most%20apparent%20policy%20decision,industries%20clustering%20in%20specific%20cities."&gt;included
“satellite internet”&lt;/a&gt; on its “new infrastructures” list, and China applied to
the ITU for &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2020/10/a-new-chinese-broadband-satellite.html"&gt;a
new constellation, called &amp;nbsp;GW&lt;/a&gt;. Hongyun
and Hongyan were dropped, and GW, also called China Satnet or Guowang, emerged
as &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2021/03/guowang-starlink-will-be-chinas-global.html"&gt;China’s
global Internet service provider&lt;/a&gt; and it was followed by two others, &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/06/two-new-chinese-internet-service.html"&gt;Qianfan
and Honghu&lt;/a&gt;. These are all far behind Starlink, but they will have protected
markets &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Gwowang&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;China’s &lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20210329-guowang-starlink-will-be-chinas-global-broadband-provider"&gt;14th
Five-Year Plan (2021-2025)&lt;/a&gt; for National Economic and Social Development and
Long-Range Objectives Through the Year 2035 called for building an integrated
communications, Earth observation, and satellite navigation system with global
coverage. Guowang is the constellation they called for. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Guowang &lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20201002-a-new-chinese-broadband-satellite-constellation"&gt;consists
of two sub-constellations&lt;/a&gt;, designated GW-A59 (6,080 satellites) and GW-2 (6,912
satellites). GW-2 will orbit at 1,145 km, and &amp;nbsp;GW-A59 will orbit around half that. The ITU filing
was in September of 2020, and after a long delay, the first ten GW-2 satellites &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/01/guowang-finally-launches-ten-large.html"&gt;were
launched at the end of 2024&lt;/a&gt;, and they now have 81 in orbit. The cadence has
picked up recently -- China has&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/china-sends-10th-group-of-guowang-broadband-satellites-into-orbit-with-long-march-8a-launch/"&gt;launched another batch of Guowang satellites&lt;/a&gt;. This was the ninth Guowang launch this year and the sixth in the last 30 days. Even at this cadence, &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/02/update-on-china-satnets-guowang.html"&gt;it is unclear&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;that they can manufacture and launch enough satellites to meet the ITU launch deadlines. Perhaps the Chinese have decided that, given launch and manufacturing resources, they would not be able to meet ITU deadlines for all of their constellations, so they are focusing on Guowang, which can be seen as most critical for the government&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Little technical information is available, but considering the capacities
of the various rockets used to launch Guowang satellites and the number of
satellites in each launch, it seems there are two sizes of satellite: &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/08/estimating-guowang-internet-service.html"&gt;large
satellites of around 16,600 kg&lt;/a&gt; and smaller satellites of around 889
kg. While these are imprecise estimates, they indicate two classes of satellite
with different capabilities and functions. (Note that the relatively high
altitude GW-2 sub-constellation has both large and small satellites).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Several &lt;a href="https://www.thespacereview.com/article/5004/1"&gt;Guowang test satellites&lt;/a&gt;
have also been launched, suggesting strategic government and military applications
like &lt;a href="https://thespacereview.com/article/4831/1(see"&gt;Signals intelligence&lt;/a&gt;,
positioning, navigation, and imaging applications in addition to Internet service.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Qianfan&lt;/b&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Shanghai Spacecom Satellite Technology (SSST), a private company
backed by the Shanghai municipal government and the Chinese Academy of Sciences, is developing&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20240605-two-new-chinese-internet-service-constellations-and-their-market"&gt;the
Qianfan constellation&lt;/a&gt;. The planned satellites will orbit at 1,160 km, which is
higher than the other announced LEO satellite competitors except Telesat. While
this will increase latency, collision risk, satellite lifespan, handoff
frequency, and coverage footprint should improve.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Their plan called for 648 satellites providing regional
service by the end of 2025 and global service with a second 648 satellites by
the end of 2027. By 2030, they planned to have 15,000 satellites in orbit and
offer direct-to-mobile service, but it does not look like they will make these
goals. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;It's been a year since &lt;a href="https://www.space.com/china-first-launch-internet-satellite-megaconstellation"&gt;the
first Qianfan launch&lt;/a&gt;, but five months since the last one. Is the slowdown
due to satellite or launch availability, or are they pausing for some redesign, or both? Blaine Curcio reports that they are “&lt;a href="https://d.docs.live.net/0ADA1FC728725202/TRANFERSTUFF/SpaceSail%20is%20having%20a%20very%20hard%20time%20finding%20rockets%20to%20send%20full%20batches%20of%2018%20satellites%20to%20orbit"&gt;having a very hard time&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;finding rockets to send full batches of 18 satellites to orbit, but they have also had operational problems. The upper stage of the first
launch&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/chinese-rocket-stage-breaks-up-into-cloud-of-more-than-700-pieces-of-space-debris/#:~:text=Posted%20inLaunch-,Chinese%20rocket%20stage%20breaks%20up%20into%20cloud%20of%20more%20than,to%20receive%20the%20first%20edition."&gt;fragmented&lt;/a&gt;,
creating over 300 pieces of trackable debris, and ninety&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://planet4589.org/space/con/qf/stats.html"&gt;satellites are in orbit&lt;/a&gt;,
but fourteen have not reached their operational altitude. Furthermore, the
satellites are&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/brightness-of-first-chinese-broadband-constellation-satellites-alarms-astronomers/"&gt;interfering
with astronomy&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;nbsp;and&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.07194"&gt;some
are tumbling&lt;/a&gt;. Regardless of the cause for delays, Qianfan is unlikely to
meet its ITU launch deadlines.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Qianfan is a more direct competitor to Starlink than Guowang, which is
primarily focused on domestic telecommunications and national security. SSST
has been actively marketing wholesale service through foreign telecom companies under the Sailspace brand name.
They had MOUs with several nations in &lt;a href="https://chinaspacemonitor.substack.com/p/scenes-from-zhuhai"&gt;six initial
target markets&lt;/a&gt;, as shown below, and they have subsequently been actively &lt;a href="https://www.wired.com/story/china-starlink-competitor-satellites/?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;marketing
in Africa&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Honghu-3 &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Landspace Technology Corporation&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/chinese-space-launch-firm-landspace-raises-71-million/"&gt;was
founded in 2015&lt;/a&gt;, following a 2014 central government policy shift that
opened the launch and small satellite sectors to private capital. Landscape owns&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.newspace.im/constellations/hongqing-technology#:~:text=Hongqing%20Technology%2C%20founded%20in%202017,developing%20Hall%20thruster%20propulsion%20technology."&gt;48% of Hongqing Technology&lt;/a&gt;, which is developing the &lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/chinese-firm-files-plans-for-10000-satellite-constellation/?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;10,000-satellite
Honghu-3 constellation&lt;/a&gt;. Honghu-3 satellites will be&amp;nbsp;in six planes,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://planet4589.org/space/con/conlist.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;ranging
from 340-550 km&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Landspace &lt;a href="https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/chinas-spacex-rival-landspace-eyes-ipo-shanghai-2025-07-30/#:~:text=A%20successful%20test%20of%20Zhuque,backed%20China%20SME%20Development%20Fund."&gt;has
a pending IPO&lt;/a&gt; and is developing &lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/china-is-about-to-start-trying-to-land-and-reuse-its-rockets/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&amp;amp;utm_medium=email&amp;amp;utm_content=Kicking%20off%20the%20Proliferated%20Warfighter%20Space%20Architecture%20era&amp;amp;utm_campaign=FIRST%20UP%202025-08-26"&gt;the Zhuque-3rocket&lt;/a&gt;, which they plan to launch later this year. The Zhuque-3 will &lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/china-to-debut-new-long-march-and-commercial-rockets-in-2025/#:~:text=The%20stainless%20steel%2C%20two%2Dstage,returning%20to%20the%20launch%20site"&gt;carry
about 21,000 kg to LEO&lt;/a&gt; in an expendable configuration – less than an expendable
Falcon 9, but more than a reusable Falcon 9. This connection to a rocket manufacturer is reminiscent of SpaceX's relationship with Starlink and Project Kuiper's with Blue Origin.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Honghu-3 was announced after Guowang and Qianfan, and
relatively little is known of their plans and technology, but Landspace has experience as a private company. (I asked the ChatGPT,
Gemini, and Copilot chatbots how much state and private capital Landspace had received since it was founded, and the answers and explanations varied
so much as to make them worthless, but they all agreed that the private investment was
greater than the public.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/4135094975804439939/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/08/starlink-and-seven-dwarfs.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/4135094975804439939" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/4135094975804439939" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/08/starlink-and-seven-dwarfs.html" rel="alternate" title=" Starlink and the seven dwarfs" type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" height="72" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgUpKV_xGn9s7SV7pqWxe2rxZEz7L4fchFKHXM98VITJjVujdZMNs0Pgzjh6O5-78WUUgbd8oSJ3XB0f8Rc9XHVkeX1QxSWtAAKs6LVSsGLoX81zoNM5_ryWH7__K3WL2CCO-ejAFw-lSgeHZT0fyAQBTsL1LFvKJ-G73b-Vg0VSsylW90-YCH4eg/s72-w640-h318-c/IBMMarketShare.png" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-7120881274295136988</id><published>2025-08-13T09:08:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2025-11-20T11:07:55.423-08:00</updated><title type="text">Estimating Guowang Internet service satellite mass with ChatGPT</title><content type="html">After searching for the mass of China's Guowang Internet-service larger satellites and finding nothing, I estimated it using ChatGPT. &lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/guowang-finally-launches-ten-large-production-satellites"&gt;Since I knew&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;the number of satellites (10) and the rocket used&amp;nbsp;(Long March 5B) in two launches, the mass of a single satellite could be estimated if I knew the carrying capacity of the rocket.&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh9k3-rpB1dCi2qx4_73FLct14Bu25nvF9GfzAHYVcquGk1pkV-5W9FxOs24g3gD1V1iDd6R9mjnsO_IEJPUs_AlBkuRyYywpfktLB-nwKv_vLYv3JnqtfmkVwBojO8v-9RM5UXRGFo6hTXR489fCUhdYkzP3Or4klwSCnXC_MApOu3E8eqn4_ylA/s913/ChatGPTSatellitMassEstimates3.png" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="476" data-original-width="913" height="167" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh9k3-rpB1dCi2qx4_73FLct14Bu25nvF9GfzAHYVcquGk1pkV-5W9FxOs24g3gD1V1iDd6R9mjnsO_IEJPUs_AlBkuRyYywpfktLB-nwKv_vLYv3JnqtfmkVwBojO8v-9RM5UXRGFo6hTXR489fCUhdYkzP3Or4klwSCnXC_MApOu3E8eqn4_ylA/s320/ChatGPTSatellitMassEstimates3.png" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;I asked ChatGPT this question five times: How much mass could a Long March 5B rocket with a Yuanzheng-2 (YZ-2) upper stage carry to 1,100 kilometers with an inclination of 86.5 degrees? The average answer was 16.6 tonnes or 16,600 kg.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;ChatGPT's five answers and the "reasoning" that led to them&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1npyUiVKA-5-F6V_7er23BEqKDs13matX/view?usp=drive_link"&gt;can be found here&lt;/a&gt;. Each is different --&amp;nbsp; ChatGPT does not remember prior submissions of the same question. I am not a rocket scientist and can only average the five results in estimating the satellite masses. I'd like to know what experts think of the results and the reasoning leading them.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;There have been four launches of smaller satellites, and so far, 889 kg is a rough estimate of their average mass.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/7120881274295136988/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/08/estimating-guowang-internet-service.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/7120881274295136988" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/7120881274295136988" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/08/estimating-guowang-internet-service.html" rel="alternate" title="Estimating Guowang Internet service satellite mass with ChatGPT" type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" height="72" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh9k3-rpB1dCi2qx4_73FLct14Bu25nvF9GfzAHYVcquGk1pkV-5W9FxOs24g3gD1V1iDd6R9mjnsO_IEJPUs_AlBkuRyYywpfktLB-nwKv_vLYv3JnqtfmkVwBojO8v-9RM5UXRGFo6hTXR489fCUhdYkzP3Or4klwSCnXC_MApOu3E8eqn4_ylA/s72-c/ChatGPTSatellitMassEstimates3.png" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-1515554518316121082</id><published>2025-06-16T14:38:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2025-07-18T15:46:55.340-07:00</updated><title type="text"> OneWeb can’t come close to replacing Starlink in Ukraine, but it could complement it.</title><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;Elon Musk assured us that &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/03/starlink-is-critical-in-support-of.html"&gt;he
would not stop the Starlink service in Ukraine&lt;/a&gt;. But, given his&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/06/07/trump-musk-spacex-nasa-national-security/"&gt;feud
with Trump&lt;/a&gt;, his&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/03/musk-zelenskyy-ukraine-russia-00208981"&gt;criticism
of President Zelensky&lt;/a&gt;, and his rash actions with DOGE, can he be trusted?
(His termination of USAID is estimated to have resulted in&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.ncronline.org/news/impact-trumps-cuts-humanitarian-aid-numbers?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;340,000
deaths&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;so far.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;When&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.theguardian.com/science/2025/apr/28/europe-must-boost-space-investment-to-secure-autonomy-from-us-says-esa-boss"&gt;asked about Musk’s influence,&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;Josef Aschbacher, director general of the
European Space Agency, said he declined to comment on “the internal politics of
the United States and who should influence these decisions” but added “If
changes happen and if our US partners and friends are changing their plans, of
course we will be ready for plan B.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The US has decided to &lt;a href="https://kyivindependent.com/us-to-cut-military-aid-to-ukraine-hegseth-says/"&gt;reduce
aid to Ukraine&lt;/a&gt;, and Plan B is being considered. Eutelsat &lt;a href="https://kyivindependent.com/eutelsat-in-talks-with-eu-to-possibly-replace-starlink-in-ukraine-ceo-confirms/"&gt;is
in talks with the EU&lt;/a&gt; about the possibility of replacing Starlink in Ukraine&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Eutelsat OneWeb is currently the only low-earth orbit (LEO)
alternative to Starlink. Germany has paid for “&lt;a href="https://kyivindependent.com/germany-finances-ukraines-use-of-starlink-alternative-eutelsat-reuters-reports/?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;fewer
than 1,000&lt;/a&gt;” OneWeb terminals in Ukraine, but Eutelsat CEO Eva
Berneke says the company aims to increase this to between 5,000 and 10,000
"relatively fast."&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;That is admirable, but I don’t see how OneWeb could come
close to replacing Starlink in Ukraine.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;For a start, there are limitations of the OneWeb satellites and
terminals:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-size-adjust: none; font-size: 7pt; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: normal;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Oleg Kutkov, a leading Ukrainian Starlink expert,
estimates that there are around 130,000 Starlink terminals in Ukraine. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;SpaceX has over 7,500 LEO satellites compared to OneWeb’s
630. (Eutelsat also has 35 geostationary (GEO) satellites).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Kyivstar, the largest mobile operator in
Ukraine, &lt;a href="https://www.satellitetoday.com/connectivity/2025/01/02/starlink-direct-to-cell-connectivity-coming-to-ukraine-in-2025-with-kyivstar/"&gt;plansdirect-to-device&lt;/a&gt; Starlink connectivity later this year.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-size-adjust: none; font-size: 7pt; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: normal;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Kyivstar has determined that &amp;nbsp;OneWeb currently &lt;a href="https://dev.ua/en/news/oneweb-1742223796"&gt;lacks sufficient capacity&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;to move forward on &lt;a href="https://dev.ua/news/kyivstar-stane-ofitsiinym-predstavnykom-suputnykovoho-internetu-oneweb-v-ukraini-1712759438"&gt;their
partnership MOU&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;at this time.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;OneWeb satellites orbit at around 1,200 km, while
Starlink satellites are between 336 and 570 km, which gives them a latency
advantage for real-time battlefield applications.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;OneWeb’s fixed beams enable it to provide
guaranteed service levels in specific locations, but Starlink’s dynamic-beam
architecture makes better use of available capacity in densely populated areas
and in tracking mobile users.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;OneWeb’s fixed terminals are more expensive than
Starlink’s, and the portable terminals are heavier and more expensive.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;There are &lt;a href="https://x.com/olegkutkov/status/1932577128748405023?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet"&gt;ten
different Starlink terminal models/revisions&lt;/a&gt; – they have had time to iterate
designs and mature and refine manufacturing processes for both terminals and satellites.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Similarly, Starlink satellite designs have evolved
– throughput has increased, intersatellite links were introduced, etc.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;!--[if !supportLists]--&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

















&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;More importantly, Starlink is embedded in Ukraine. Systems, supply
chains, distribution channels, organizations, and applications have been
developed around it, and users, engineers, repair people, etc., have been
trained. The first Starlink terminals &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/03/spacex-starlink-service-in-ukraine.html"&gt;arrived
in Ukraine&lt;/a&gt; over three years ago. A week later,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/03/spacex-starlink-in-ukraine-week-later.html"&gt;they
were in the field&lt;/a&gt; and providing nationwide connectivity through ground
stations in three nearby countries, and within a month, there were &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/03/five-thousand-spacex-starlink-terminals.html"&gt;5,000
Starlink terminals in Ukraine&lt;/a&gt;. Starlink has &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/04/the-unprecedented-role-of-internet-in.html"&gt;played
an unprecedented, critical role&lt;/a&gt; in the management of the war, international
relations, and on the battlefield field and it has enabled &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/02/civilian-tech-mobilization-in-ukraine.html"&gt;significant
civilian tech mobilization&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;One more factor – Starlink &lt;a href="https://news.satnews.com/2025/06/11/eutelsats-efforts-to-obtain-funding-to-save-oneweb/"&gt;is
financially stronger&lt;/a&gt; than Eutelsat. &lt;a href="https://www.eutelsat.com/en/investors/etl-share-price.html?#share-price-info"&gt;Eutelsat
stock&lt;/a&gt; was €28.06 per share in April 2015. When &lt;a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/02/28/trump-zelensky-oval-office-ukraine-russia/"&gt;Trump berated Zelensky&lt;/a&gt; at the White House on February 28, 2025, it
was down to €1.20. As a result of that meeting, it jumped to €7.84 on March 3,
but it’s now back down to €2.31. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;While OneWeb cannot replace Starlink in Ukraine, it can
complement it. For example, OneWeb could provide connectivity and resilient backup for
fixed locations like government offices and hospitals, and since Eutelsat operates
both GEO and&amp;nbsp; LEO satellites, latency-tolerant applications like
streaming video could be offloaded onto their GEO satellites.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;clear-link-container&gt;&lt;/clear-link-container&gt;</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/1515554518316121082/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/06/oneweb-cant-come-close-to-replacing.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/1515554518316121082" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/1515554518316121082" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/06/oneweb-cant-come-close-to-replacing.html" rel="alternate" title=" OneWeb can’t come close to replacing Starlink in Ukraine, but it could complement it." type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-2555999283466217850</id><published>2025-04-17T08:17:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2025-05-01T08:34:50.429-07:00</updated><title type="text">Remembering Dave Taht</title><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgZS-6WAgX_hfR30Z7qmfmasXjZ3XA9a9IqXh3OlyUIRkxArpGCquOQfBdyBUgh9vZ-zfmY08AwssdzZZRh13cfwHKKqXpIgisE1o2cLTIKtQCkiu_eUENqB7O-_Q6_yh9OOrtJ63fLtDWhjCUhdlHJgkyp0t_oyWmh1ZgliFP3Pvst2FcOnoCcgw/s1741/DaveTaht.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="1205" data-original-width="1741" height="442" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgZS-6WAgX_hfR30Z7qmfmasXjZ3XA9a9IqXh3OlyUIRkxArpGCquOQfBdyBUgh9vZ-zfmY08AwssdzZZRh13cfwHKKqXpIgisE1o2cLTIKtQCkiu_eUENqB7O-_Q6_yh9OOrtJ63fLtDWhjCUhdlHJgkyp0t_oyWmh1ZgliFP3Pvst2FcOnoCcgw/w640-h442/DaveTaht.png" width="640" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;“Elon, let me inside this thing, and I can fix it for you” (Image
&lt;a href="https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/638"&gt;from this podcast&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;i&gt;In my own mind, I like to think of him as the person who added the most effective capacity to the Internet&lt;/i&gt;, Karl Auerbach&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Dave Taht died on April 1st. I met him only recently, and
never in person, but his passing saddens me. His technical work and
evangelism have improved the Internet, and I will give some examples of his
contributions to the Internet community and users, but I am sad because he was
a good person — idealistic, unselfish, open, and funny. I'll miss him. First, his contributions, then his values.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Contributions&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Taht was best known for his work on buffer bloat and its
impact on Internet performance. As packets hop across the Internet, they are queued
in buffers while waiting to be forwarded.&amp;nbsp;
Long queues, “buffer bloat,” means increased latency, transit time
between a source and its destination, and jitter, transit time variance.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Internet service providers &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2023/12/its-latency-fcc.html"&gt;typically advertise and price&lt;/a&gt; based on service speed, but&amp;nbsp;latency is
critical to interactive applications like gaming, teleconferencing, and Web
surfing. (For a deep dive on buffer bloat, &lt;a href="https://gettys.wordpress.com/2018/02/11/the-blind-men-and-the-elephant/"&gt;see
this post&lt;/a&gt; by Jim Gettys, who &lt;a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/k0dwon/starlink_and_bufferbloat_testing/"&gt;coined the term&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;buffer bloat.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;With Jim Gettys, &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_T%C3%A4ht"&gt;Taht co-founded&lt;/a&gt; the &lt;a href="https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/"&gt;buffer bloat Project&lt;/a&gt;, where he implemented,
tested, and integrated active queue management (AQM) algorithms CoDel, FQ-CoDel, and CAKE, and led the &lt;a href="https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt/wiki/"&gt;CeroWRT&lt;/a&gt; (Customer Edge Router Wireless Router) project that focused on home, office, and other
edge networks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Gettys&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2071893"&gt;shared Taht's focus on the edge&lt;/a&gt;, writing “Surprising to most, AQM is essential for
broad band service, home routers, and even operating systems: it isn't just for
big Internet routers” in 2011 and &lt;a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/k0dwon/starlink_and_bufferbloat_testing/?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;more
recently he said&lt;/a&gt; “Buffer bloat can happen anywhere in a network, though by
far the most common locations are before/after the WiFi hop in the router, and
then the hop from the home router back to the ISP”&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Given his interests in
space and edge networks, Starlink was a natural focus for Taht, and&amp;nbsp;he talked about Starlink in &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9gLo6Xrwgw"&gt;this 8-minute podcast
excerpt&lt;/a&gt;. Taht had known Elon Musk since he had worked on an ill-fated satellite that was on a Falcon 1 rocket when it blew up, so he emailed Musk in
2013 and offered to help, but Musk was not interested. The plan for &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2014/11/elon-musk-and-greg-wylers-plans-for.html"&gt;Starlink
was announced&lt;/a&gt; in January 2015, and when it eventually &lt;a href="https://www.satellitetoday.com/connectivity/2020/10/28/spacex-launches-better-than-nothing-public-starlink-beta-with-99-month-service/"&gt;entered
beta in 2020&lt;/a&gt;, Taht learned of the latency problem and emailed Vint Cerf, who
arranged a meeting with Starlink engineers on Taht’s boat, but he did no work for them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;In January 2024,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xLmBLWDSHo&amp;amp;t=1750s"&gt;Elon Musk announced&lt;/a&gt;
that “the biggest single goal for Starlink from a technical standpoint is to
get the mean latency below 20 ms&lt;span style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"&gt;." By March,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/03/starlink-has-begun-delivering-promised.html" target="_blank"&gt;they were delivering results&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;and listing latency as well as upload and download speed on their availability map.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;Unfortunately, Musk and his engineers did not listen to Taht in 2013 and 2020.&lt;/p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgr1vURmGXaisyy0fxUkSq-x-RuG_R1M-fHM_V_Z-zkTTXKLLFxWYIOJlPp_rmB-5TJUeL7aWTVaxy6J8fH0DlDA6pEN-b2Dm61V9n-Q5mmCTiQE0UnoX1Fb1GXfpZe7bIDgyWu41q5Yk4l_vbG0m9yqZ_DQkhKdbO2GOT9f2mgWVEGb5gWC7jPaw/s1344/StarlinkLatencyimprovement.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="668" data-original-width="1344" height="318" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgr1vURmGXaisyy0fxUkSq-x-RuG_R1M-fHM_V_Z-zkTTXKLLFxWYIOJlPp_rmB-5TJUeL7aWTVaxy6J8fH0DlDA6pEN-b2Dm61V9n-Q5mmCTiQE0UnoX1Fb1GXfpZe7bIDgyWu41q5Yk4l_vbG0m9yqZ_DQkhKdbO2GOT9f2mgWVEGb5gWC7jPaw/w640-h318/StarlinkLatencyimprovement.png" width="640" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="text-align: left;"&gt;Starlink latency improvement after January 2024 (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.starlink.com/public-files/StarlinkLatency.pdf" style="text-align: left;"&gt;Source&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="text-align: left;"&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Values&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The National Science Foundation backbone network (NSFNET) &lt;a href="http://som.csudh.edu/fac/lpress/471/hout/nsfnet.htm"&gt;was created in 1986&lt;/a&gt;
to serve research and education in the US. The network grew rapidly, and in 1988,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ghchomCkRx1t_qfcC-ACS8e4yewoZDqz/view?usp=sharing"&gt;access was expanded&lt;/a&gt; to include
international research and education organizations. By 1996, 28 nations were
connected. (Fun fact – &lt;a href="https://laredcubana.blogspot.com/2011/02/cubas-first-internet-connection.html"&gt;Cuba’s
first link was to NSFNET&lt;/a&gt;.) &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Taht was 30 years old when NSFNET was decommissioned and the
Internet transitioned to fully commercial operation, but his values were
established by then. With his skill and experience, he could have found
lucrative work or built a large company, but he was committed to open-source
software and universal connectivity. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Everything he wrote was open-source, including his songs. He
is surely the only&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"&gt;composer/musician to write geeky songs about the Internet, for example,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gx_r5ohYaA" target="_blank"&gt;this little ditty&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;about the GNU Public License, Richard Stallman, Linus Torvalds, and Eric Raymond. He also spent years in Nicaragua, trying to find ways to bring the Internet (and power, lighting, food, medicine,&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;and books) there as an
outgrowth of Nicholas Negroponte’s &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Laptop_per_Child"&gt;One Laptop Per Child
project&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;He understood J. C. R. Licklider’s &lt;a href="http://memex.org/licklider.pdf"&gt;conception of the Internet&lt;/a&gt; as a means
of creating communities of common interest&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"&gt;rather than common location. He created a&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink" target="_blank"&gt;Starlink list,&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;which
is where I met him. The caliber of
conversation on the list is an implicit tribute to Taht.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The photo of Taht at the top of this post was taken from the
podcast in which he offered to fix the Starlink router, which was in beta at the
time, for free (though he wouldn’t mind a thank-you tweet, a new motor for his
boat, or even a Christmas card). The photo illustrates his values. He could have
lived in a mansion, but he chose to live on a boat with a guitar nearby. To know Dave Taht better, &lt;a href="https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/638"&gt;watch
the entire video&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Appendix&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;I met Dave recently and only knew him online, so I asked Perpleity, Gemini, Grok, and ChatGPT to list memorials. They returned several broken links, and Claude and Deepspeak were not current. I found these:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;b style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;Author&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-size: 13px;"&gt;: Doc Searls&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;Title&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-size: 13px;"&gt;: Remembering Dave Taht&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://doc.searls.com/2025/04/01/remembering-dave-taht/" style="color: #336699;"&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;Author&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-size: 13px;"&gt;: Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://doc.searls.com/2025/04/01/remembering-dave-taht/" style="color: #336699;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;Title&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-size: 13px;"&gt;: Dave Taht, Who Sped Up Networks More Than You’ll Ever Know, Has Died&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://thenewstack.io/dave-taht-who-sped-up-networks-more-than-youll-ever-know-has-died/" style="color: #336699;"&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif" style="color: #333333;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;Author&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-size: 13px;"&gt;: Tom Stricx&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;Title&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-size: 13px;"&gt;: Honoring Dave Täht and his contributions to a better Internet (video calls included)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cj5JtjqOzU" style="color: #336699;"&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;Authors&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-size: 13px;"&gt;: Robert, Herbert, and Frank LibreQoS&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;Title&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-size: 13px;"&gt;: In loving memory of Dave Taht&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/" style="color: #336699;"&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;Author&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-size: 13px;"&gt;: Hacker News Community&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;Title&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-size: 13px;"&gt;: Thread collecting memories, technical anecdotes, and condolences from the networking and open source community&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43550098" style="color: #336699;"&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span face="Verdana, Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-size: 13px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b style="background-color: white; 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margin-right: auto; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjaEJd4K4pLke1RG-ZLsKeam5mCyvi2J4ykNR6AQMrEY-TFhFXfIqdW-L0PIxu9ToaEsc8ZrDoEPLsbCLkC2acq9PMjJ1EZxFgurzPmwFHDS82NOww5mmZC5JG81Gu9WZXT1Pd6Z8JdxTUlxQsNEBdLxuvma1hgRTTmXp_FeRgcpyEaPmxOIfna2g/s1600/UkraineDroneShip.png" style="clear: right; display: inline; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="900" data-original-width="1600" height="363" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjaEJd4K4pLke1RG-ZLsKeam5mCyvi2J4ykNR6AQMrEY-TFhFXfIqdW-L0PIxu9ToaEsc8ZrDoEPLsbCLkC2acq9PMjJ1EZxFgurzPmwFHDS82NOww5mmZC5JG81Gu9WZXT1Pd6Z8JdxTUlxQsNEBdLxuvma1hgRTTmXp_FeRgcpyEaPmxOIfna2g/w640-h363/UkraineDroneShip.png" width="640" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption"&gt;Ukrainian drone boat with two Starlink terminals (source Oleg Kutkov)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;At 4:04 AM on February 26 Mykhailo Fedorov, Vice Prime
Minister and Minister of Digital Transformation of Ukraine,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://x.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1497543633293266944?lang=en"&gt;requested Starlink service&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;from Elon Musk, and at 2:45 PM on the 26th,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1497704284196155394"&gt;Elon Musk
tweeted&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;"Starlink service is now active in Ukraine. More
terminals en route." On February 28 at 12:29 PM Fedorov&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/FedorAovMykhailo/status/1498392515262746630"&gt;posted a
photo&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;of a truckload of terminals. (Kyiv is 10 hours ahead of
California) and an engineer, Oleg Kutkov, &lt;a href="https://x.com/olegkutkov/status/1498398598442192904"&gt;posted the first
tweet from Ukraine&lt;/a&gt;, showing a download speed of 136.76 Mb/s and an upload speed of 23.93 Mb/s.&amp;nbsp; (Kutkov was among the "people embodying the
spirit of Ukraine,"&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://time.com/person-of-the-year-2022-volodymyr-zelensky/"&gt;chosen by Time Magazine as Person of the Year for 2022&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;On March 19&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/03/five-thousand-spacex-starlink-terminals.html"&gt;there
were 5,000 terminals in Ukraine&lt;/a&gt; and it was clear that Starlink would &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/04/the-unprecedented-role-of-internet-in.html"&gt;play
an unprecedented, critical role in the war&lt;/a&gt;. President Zelenskyy was using social
media and teleconferencing in his roles as Commander in Chief of the armed
forces, a global diplomat, and a leader of the Ukrainian people. Starlink was
being used to compensate for Russian destruction of Ukrainian infrastructure,
by civilians and on the battlefield, often in conjunction with drones. Starlink has also enabled important&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/02/civilian-tech-mobilization-in-ukraine.html"&gt;&amp;nbsp;civilian volunteer contributions&lt;/a&gt; to the war effort, reminiscent
of the working women and the victory gardens
during World War 2 &amp;nbsp;in the US.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Starlink’s value is now well established. Kutkov estimates that there are &lt;a href="https://x.com/olegkutkov/status/1893255990952210896"&gt;around 170,000 Starlink terminals in Ukraine&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"&gt;&lt;a href="" target="_blank"&gt;,&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;which&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;is constantly increasing. For example:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;The armed forces have around 100,000 terminals provided by various ministries.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;It is common for soldiers to purchase their own terminals.
(One retailer has sold almost 2,000 terminals to soldiers so far this year).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;There are thousands of terminals on drone aircraft and
boats built by local companies. (One local vendor bought 10,000 terminals for
drones).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Symbol; text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: normal;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;Charity foundations like &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://prytulafoundation.org/en" style="text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;Serhiy Prytula&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;contribute
terminals. (The retail price of a roaming terminal in Ukraine is $613).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;Private donors (including Kutkov) contribute
drones and terminals.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;One &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/02/civilian-tech-mobilization-in-ukraine.html" style="text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt;service
center&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="text-indent: -0.25in;"&gt; reported that 90% of the military terminals coming for repairs are
privately owned.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Musk’s Grok AI chatbot estimates Starlink’s revenue for
Ukraine support is &lt;a href="https://x.com/i/grok/share/QVsgu8ElMKBwL9EQKEOnWw5Ze"&gt;“likely in the
ballpark of $150-250 million per year&lt;/a&gt; as of now”, a relatively unimportant amount, and &lt;a href="https://x.com/sikorskiradek/status/1898700362460070080"&gt;about $50 million
of that is paid by Poland&lt;/a&gt;, which shares a border with Ukraine, has&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.politico.eu/article/poland-is-ready-to-seek-starlink-alternatives-if-musk-proves-unreliable/"&gt;expressed
a willingness to seek alternatives to Starlink&lt;/a&gt; if necessary and was invaded
by Hitler 1939.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;, serif; line-height: 107%;"&gt;Because of recent statements and actions by Donald
Trump and Elon Musk, Ukraine and its allies became concerned that Starlink
service might possibly be cut off. &lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;As enumerated in &lt;a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/09/trump-ukraine-russia-explainer"&gt;this
timeline&lt;/a&gt;, Trump has upended the US approach to Ukraine and treated Moscow
more as an ally since he became President, culminating in his recent suspension
of military aid to and intelligence
sharing with Ukraine after he and Vice President Vance berated Zelenskyy in a
televised meeting, &lt;a href="https://x.com/i/grok/share/TlnEoHIpSqiY5eVoXYFbsSt64"&gt;overstating the
amount of US support&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://x.com/i/grok/share/dwHiz0lR8Maa0kHZp5vqIfOD9"&gt;falsely claiming that Ukraine had not thanked the US&lt;/a&gt; for it’s
support and insisting on a “deal” with no security guarantee.&amp;nbsp;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;(Recall that in September 1938, English, French, and Italian
leaders signed the Munich Agreement, giving Hitler control of Czechoslovakia in
exchange for his promise not to take more land in Europe, and Ukrainians are
dying in this war).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Elon Musk has also urged Ukraine to accept peace without a security guarantee to stop the bloodshed. His statement that without Starlink&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898612062533956047" target="_blank"&gt;the entire front line would collapse&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;caused concern that he might cut Starlink service off.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Thankfully, Musk has since &lt;a href="https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1898779023234236437"&gt;clarified his position&lt;/a&gt;,
stating:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;"To be extremely clear, no matter how much I disagree
with the Ukraine policy, Starlink will never turn off its terminals. Without
Starlink, the Ukrainian lines would collapse, as the Russians can jam all other
communications! We would never do such a thing or use it as a bargaining
chip." &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Taking Musk at his word, Starlink service will remain
available.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 2/5/2026&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Russian forces have been increasingly using Starlink satellite systems to extend the range of BM-35 strike drones to conduct mid-range strikes against the Ukrainian rear:&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;https://x.com/TheStudyofWar/status/2016013301436526765&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;SpaceX has now compiled a white list of authorized Starlink terminals, and terminals used by Russian troops in Ukraine have been deactivated&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/starlink-used-by-russian-forces-deactivated-battlefield-ukraine-says-2026-02-05/&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/472220953446533843/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/03/starlink-is-critical-in-support-of.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/472220953446533843" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/472220953446533843" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/03/starlink-is-critical-in-support-of.html" rel="alternate" title=" Starlink is critical in support of Ukraine, and it will continue" type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" height="72" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjaEJd4K4pLke1RG-ZLsKeam5mCyvi2J4ykNR6AQMrEY-TFhFXfIqdW-L0PIxu9ToaEsc8ZrDoEPLsbCLkC2acq9PMjJ1EZxFgurzPmwFHDS82NOww5mmZC5JG81Gu9WZXT1Pd6Z8JdxTUlxQsNEBdLxuvma1hgRTTmXp_FeRgcpyEaPmxOIfna2g/s72-w640-h363-c/UkraineDroneShip.png" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-4752222173666072103</id><published>2025-01-04T15:11:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2025-09-27T15:34:27.811-07:00</updated><title type="text">  Guowang finally launches ten large production satellites</title><content type="html">&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiTsINBdPqDya9HBT6-IooUZhCHaHpusKuF1X_gj9ZVSNAbKlIIgOrfQXuuSiMfC3YSI303QIob86KmPch5HqP5K3Y61Ao0TXKGSg8J_37Npkw5e-XGV1vipT52jRyuGQnpRq1sctnt7Fa35BFM8HS85UbpXeXeDnj8RPOcypKqkDIwGPL8lVMXU-PcKyFn/s2508/GuoWangTLETable.png" style="clear: left; display: inline; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="1232" data-original-width="2508" height="196" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiTsINBdPqDya9HBT6-IooUZhCHaHpusKuF1X_gj9ZVSNAbKlIIgOrfQXuuSiMfC3YSI303QIob86KmPch5HqP5K3Y61Ao0TXKGSg8J_37Npkw5e-XGV1vipT52jRyuGQnpRq1sctnt7Fa35BFM8HS85UbpXeXeDnj8RPOcypKqkDIwGPL8lVMXU-PcKyFn/w400-h196/GuoWangTLETable.png" width="400" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both;"&gt;The first ten Guowang production satellites (&lt;a href="https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/table.php?INTDES=2024-240&amp;amp;SHOW-OPS"&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;In April 2020, The Chinese State Council's executive meeting declared information technology,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.gov.cn/zhengce/2020-04/29/content_5507396.htm?utm_source=substack&amp;amp;utm_medium=email"&gt;including satellite Internet&lt;/a&gt;, &amp;nbsp;an important part of the “new technology” and in October, China&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2020/10/a-new-chinese-broadband-satellite.html"&gt;applied for Guowang&lt;/a&gt;, a &amp;nbsp;12,992-satellite Internet service constellation. Subsequently, a few Guowang test satellites were launched and&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/06/two-new-chinese-internet-service.html"&gt;two other large Chinese constellations&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;were announced, and one, Thousand Sails, &amp;nbsp;already has 54 satellites in orbit. (Thousand Sails launches have had&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3273977/chinas-initial-launch-ambitious-internet-satellite-network-creates-space-debris"&gt;problems with debris&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;and&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://chinaspacemonitor.substack.com/p/a-year-of-successes-ends-with-setbacks?utm_source=publication-search"&gt;orbit raising,&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;which attests to the immaturity of the Chinese space industry).&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;Finally&lt;/i&gt;, Guowang has&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3290994/china-launches-first-satellites-guowang-project-rival-spacexs-starlink"&gt;launched its first production satellites&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;As shown above, ten satellites were launched into orbits about 1&lt;span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 14.2667px;"&gt;,&lt;/span&gt;100 kilometers above the Earth, with an inclination of 86.5 degrees. The satellites were &lt;a href="https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2024/12/record-breaking-2024/"&gt;launched on a Long March 5B rocket&lt;/a&gt; which can&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_lau_det/cz-5b.htm"&gt;carry 23,000 Kg to low-Earth orbit&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="MsoHyperlink"&gt;&amp;nbsp;(LEO) and they&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;were&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3291650/how-launch-chinas-guowang-satellites-differs-its-us-starlink-rival"&gt;stacked in a manner that optimized&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;“the use of vertical and radial space within the payload fairing.” If the rocket was fully loaded, they would be quite large – over 2,000 kg each.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;For comparison, Starlink’s current V2-mini satellites&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2023/03/starlink-6-1-2-7/" target="_blank"&gt;are 750-800 kg,&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;and the V3 satellites, which will not begin launching until SpaceX's Starship rockets are in service, are expected to be&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cordcuttersnews.com/spacexs-new-satellites-that-will-improve-starlinks-internet-speeds-by-offering-1-terabyte-downlink-bandwidth/"&gt;around 1,900 kg&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Thousand Sail's satellites are smaller than either. They recently launched 18 satellites using a Long March 6A rocket which can carry&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_lau_det/cz-6a.htm"&gt;4,000 kg to sun-synchronous orbit&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span class="MsoHyperlink"&gt;&amp;nbsp;(SSO)&lt;/span&gt;. I could not find a mass to LEO for the Long March 6A so I asked four AI services to estimate what a rocket capable of launching 4,000 kg to SSO would be able to launch to LEO. The average estimate was 5,700 kg total or only 317 kg per satellite.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhHwO01fNSJmyG2Oo_jP6wMZLpGJgfoOk_ddJFTwiYTDvgm9j4pL2hs5ORRks_hZ2epzBpFWD1Jkw7g-bfkq2QVHFDejmOhUYRnUvOIRaOinIMuzP86XGd43SODWWKdFrZr7FBZfjJ-BrskwwRiXNG1aTvXdHyXj95fMA_KQS_WPAWQwkXgmWshruPwTHfQ" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;img alt="" data-original-height="267" data-original-width="545" height="139" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhHwO01fNSJmyG2Oo_jP6wMZLpGJgfoOk_ddJFTwiYTDvgm9j4pL2hs5ORRks_hZ2epzBpFWD1Jkw7g-bfkq2QVHFDejmOhUYRnUvOIRaOinIMuzP86XGd43SODWWKdFrZr7FBZfjJ-BrskwwRiXNG1aTvXdHyXj95fMA_KQS_WPAWQwkXgmWshruPwTHfQ=w283-h139" width="283" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Assuming capability is a function of mass, Guowang satellites will be significantly more powerful than Thousand Sails or Starlink's current satellites. I don't know what those functional differences will be – greater capacity, faster data rates, more power, improved inter-satellite capability, connectivity to 6G devices, etc. For speculation on the features of Starlink's forthcoming V3 satellites&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://starlink-stories.cdn.prismic.io/starlink-stories/Z3QOWJbqstJ986KD_StarlinkProgress-V11_Low-Res-compressed.pdf"&gt;see slide 62 in this presentation&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;and&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cordcuttersnews.com/spacexs-new-satellites-that-will-improve-starlinks-internet-speeds-by-offering-1-terabyte-downlink-bandwidth/"&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The Guowang constellation will also orbit at a relatively high altitude. The first ten are&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"&gt;at 1,100 km and over half the planned constellation&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2020/10/a-new-chinese-broadband-satellite.html"&gt;will be roughly the same altitude&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Similarly, Thousand Sails'&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;initial 1.296 satellites&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/06/two-new-chinese-internet-service.html"&gt;are orbiting at 1,160 km&lt;/a&gt;. While Starlink initially applied to have some 1,100 km satellites,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-19-342A1.pdf"&gt;they later lowered their planned orbits&lt;/a&gt;. Guowang's relatively high altitude will help compensate for a lack of ground stations.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;In&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/02/update-on-china-satnets-guowang.html"&gt;an earlier post&lt;/a&gt;, I asked whether Guowang could manufacture and launch satellites fast enough to meet Its ITU commitment of launching 10% of the constellation within two years after the bring-into-use (BIU) date 50% by year 5 and all by year 7. Now that production satellites are in orbit and working, I assume the BIU clock has started or will start soon. Given the mass and orbit altitudes of the satellites and Chinese satellite manufacturing and launch capability, they will have a difficult time meeting the ITU deadlines despite&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/china-to-debut-new-long-march-and-commercial-rockets-in-2025/"&gt;new rockets&lt;/a&gt;, but in our politically divided world, some nations may ignore those deadlines or Guowang might simply reapply. (It’s even conceivable that Starlink could launch some Guowang satellites since Elon Musk has to please the Chinese government to protect Tesla’s sales and manufacturing in China).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Guowang is late, but the government is committed and the satellites may be comparable to Starlink's V3 satellites. If they can launch the constellation, there&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/06/two-new-chinese-internet-service.html"&gt;will still be a market&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;in serving BRICS and other politically-allied or neutral nations as well as sensitive government and military organizations that are increasingly concerned with Elon Musk’s political ties and mercurial nature. The large mass of their satellites may also result in features that increase their appeal in some applications like&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/11/internet-communities-at-sea-come-ashore.html"&gt;backhaul from remote locations&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;that are not reached by fiber. It will be interesting to see what happens when Guowang ITU deadlines expire.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 3/8/2025&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;GuoWang has&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/first-launch-of-long-march-8a-sends-second-group-of-guowang-megaconstellation-satellites-into-orbit/"&gt;launched another batch of satellites&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;on a Long March 8A rocket.&amp;nbsp;Space Force cataloged nine objects in orbit, suggesting eight payloads in 862 by 870-kilometer orbits inclined by 50.0 degrees. While I could not find any definitive data online, Grok estimates that a Long March 8A &lt;a href="https://x.com/i/grok/share/CdLBw7uBqv7l4rBYsyLKuRNVH"&gt;could likely launch 7,200 kg&lt;/a&gt; to that orbit, which would imply about 800 kg per satellite, around the mass of the current V2 Starlink satellites and more than double the mass of the Thousand Sails satellites.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 5/5/2025&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Guowang has launched another batch of satellites on a high-capacity Long March 5B rocket, implying that these &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2020/10/a-new-chinese-broadband-satellite.html"&gt;are the larger GW2 satellites&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="MsoNormalTable" style="border-collapse: collapse; mso-padding-alt: 0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-yfti-tbllook: 1184; width: 223px;"&gt;
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&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 6/18/2925&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="https://chinaspacemonitor.substack.com/p/breadth-over-depth-in-chinas-space"&gt;Five more Guowang satellites&lt;/a&gt; were launched on a Long March 6, with a capacity to orbit of 8,500 kg, implying a very large mass or a lot of empty space.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="https://1drv.ms/x/c/0ada1fc728725202/EWTj2kxKAhVIvRl8vBCXdacBKjtmSZpcUuoUcBt6j5CDOw?e=pYborK"&gt;Guowang launches&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 7/14/2025&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;In&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/peHh87UQ8UiKi-vQ44pVsQ"&gt;a speech on June 6&lt;/a&gt;, Yuan Jungan, chief designer of internet satellites, said more than 400 Guowang satellites will be deployed to form the network by 2027, and&amp;nbsp; "China plans to deploy more than&amp;nbsp; 20,000&amp;nbsp; satellites, expand more industry-enabled application scenarios, and actively explore the international cooperation market" by 2035.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Sources vary, but there are at least &lt;a href="https://x.com/i/grok?conversation=1944838468745748875"&gt;10 full BRICS members and 10 BRICS Partner Countries&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;nbsp;and others have attended international meetings. China is pursuing international cooperation while the US seeks to cut it.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;H/T Twitter&amp;nbsp;&lt;a class="css-175oi2r r-1wbh5a2 r-dnmrzs r-1ny4l3l r-1loqt21" href="https://x.com/insomniacai163" role="link" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: hsl(var(--colors-blue-500) / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; align-items: stretch; background-color: white; border: 0px solid black; box-sizing: border-box; cursor: pointer; display: inline; flex-basis: auto; flex-direction: column; flex-shrink: 1; font-family: TwitterChirp, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &amp;quot;Segoe UI&amp;quot;, Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 18px; list-style: none; margin: 0px; max-width: 100%; min-height: 0px; min-width: 0px; outline-style: none; padding: 0px; position: relative; text-decoration-line: none; z-index: 0;" tabindex="-1"&gt;&lt;div class="css-146c3p1 r-dnmrzs r-1udh08x r-1udbk01 r-3s2u2q r-bcqeeo r-1ttztb7 r-qvutc0 r-37j5jr r-1i10wst r-135wba7 r-16dba41 r-18u37iz r-1wvb978" dir="ltr" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: hsl(var(--colors-blue-500) / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border: 0px solid black; box-sizing: border-box; color: #536471; display: inline; flex-direction: row; font-feature-settings: &amp;quot;ss01&amp;quot;; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-emoji: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: 24px; list-style: none; margin: 0px; max-width: 100%; min-width: 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; overflow: hidden; padding: 0px; position: relative; text-align: inherit; text-overflow: ellipsis; text-wrap-mode: nowrap;"&gt;&lt;span class="css-1jxf684 r-bcqeeo r-1ttztb7 r-qvutc0 r-poiln3" color="inherit" style="--tw-border-spacing-x: 0; --tw-border-spacing-y: 0; --tw-ring-color: hsl(var(--colors-blue-500) / 0.5); --tw-ring-offset-color: #fff; --tw-ring-offset-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-ring-offset-width: 0px; --tw-ring-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-rotate: 0; --tw-scale-x: 1; --tw-scale-y: 1; --tw-scroll-snap-strictness: proximity; --tw-shadow-colored: 0 0 #0000; --tw-shadow: 0 0 #0000; --tw-skew-x: 0; --tw-skew-y: 0; --tw-translate-x: 0; --tw-translate-y: 0; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border: 0px solid black; box-sizing: border-box; display: inline; font: inherit; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-width: 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; padding: 0px; position: relative; text-align: inherit; white-space: inherit;"&gt;@insomniacai163&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 8/3/2025&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEisMN-NhjnI7ve6vlbSpcQZ1oJXUb0jtwmSZHZQrHc99PL7ZJrWcZQ7MAMacLx1DVTwt5-kyW6AaMIeaYhLRTqRfcUMN9nueEnZJHVN0zi1Eti_w7Kuu99h0jkiVZhSZMmoffz51hGEo2sUH_XdVFhrccw4F-U9r7PdUN83zwiCqDSboVECLq90tw/s1612/GuoWangUpdate.png" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="688" data-original-width="1612" height="137" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEisMN-NhjnI7ve6vlbSpcQZ1oJXUb0jtwmSZHZQrHc99PL7ZJrWcZQ7MAMacLx1DVTwt5-kyW6AaMIeaYhLRTqRfcUMN9nueEnZJHVN0zi1Eti_w7Kuu99h0jkiVZhSZMmoffz51hGEo2sUH_XdVFhrccw4F-U9r7PdUN83zwiCqDSboVECLq90tw/s320/GuoWangUpdate.png" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;China launched two more batches of Guowang satellites in three days, bringing the total number in orbit to 48. The cadence has sped up, and the goal of 400 satellites by 2027 appears to be feasible.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Note that the Long March 5B had a Yuanzheng-2 orbit-transfer stage enabling it to carry satellites to precise orbits. (The mass of the Yuanzheng-2 rocket and its fuel would have reduced the overall carrying capacity somewhat.)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;ChatGPT reports that the orbit altitudes range from 1,067 to 1,149 km. If correct, that would&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2020/10/a-new-chinese-broadband-satellite.html"&gt;put them in the high-altitude GW-2 sub-constellation&lt;/a&gt; even though their masses, and therefore capabilities, vary considerably.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 8/13/2025&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;China launched yet another batch of satellites on a Long March 5B rocket with a Yuanzheng-2 upper stage, indicating that these are probably large satellites, although, as far as I know, no details have been released.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I have also&amp;nbsp;revised the estimated mass per satellite shown above based on the average of five ChatGPT queries that take the upper stage mass and fuel into account. The new estimate is 16,600 kg, and you can see the ChatGPT &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/08/estimating-guowang-internet-service.html"&gt;"reasoning" and conclusions here&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Regardless of this reduced estimate, they are definitely larger than the satellites launched on less powerful rockets and must have more capacity or other features and function as a "backbone" in some sense.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 8/26/2025&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;China has &lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/china-sends-10th-group-of-guowang-broadband-satellites-into-orbit-with-long-march-8a-launch/"&gt;launched another batch of Guowang satellites&lt;/a&gt;. This was the ninth Guowang launch this year but the sixth in the last 30 days. It was the third flight of the Long March 8A, bringing the total number of satellites in orbit to 81.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I wonder why the cadence has suddenly picked up. Might the Chinese have decided that, given launch and manufacturing resources, they would not be able to meet ITU deadlines for all of their constellations, so they are focusing on Guowang, which can be seen as most critical for the government?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 9/27/2025&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;A batch of five GuoWang satellites &lt;a href="https://www.china-in-space.com/p/guowang-grows-with-latest-taiyuan?utm_campaign=email-half-post&amp;amp;r=2wewz&amp;amp;utm_source=substack&amp;amp;utm_medium=email"&gt;was launched on a Long March 6A rocket&lt;/a&gt;. This, their eleventh launch, brings them up to 86 satellites in orbit, nearly as many as Qianfan, which has 90, but has slowed its launch cadence in order to correct &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/09/chinese-leo-satellite-internet-update.html"&gt;problems with previous launches&lt;/a&gt;. These are the smaller GuoWang satellites, and they are in &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2020/10/a-new-chinese-broadband-satellite.html"&gt;the GW-2 sub-constellation&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;nbsp;which orbits at a relatively high 1,150 km. The satellites probably have electric propulsion systems since they would be the most efficient means of deorbiting them at 1,100 km at the end of their operational lives.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/4752222173666072103/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/01/guowang-finally-launches-ten-large.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/4752222173666072103" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/4752222173666072103" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2025/01/guowang-finally-launches-ten-large.html" rel="alternate" title="  Guowang finally launches ten large production satellites" type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" height="72" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiTsINBdPqDya9HBT6-IooUZhCHaHpusKuF1X_gj9ZVSNAbKlIIgOrfQXuuSiMfC3YSI303QIob86KmPch5HqP5K3Y61Ao0TXKGSg8J_37Npkw5e-XGV1vipT52jRyuGQnpRq1sctnt7Fa35BFM8HS85UbpXeXeDnj8RPOcypKqkDIwGPL8lVMXU-PcKyFn/s72-w400-h196-c/GuoWangTLETable.png" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-1659088485361269755</id><published>2024-11-25T08:40:00.018-08:00</published><updated>2025-01-18T21:21:09.189-08:00</updated><title type="text">Starlink connectivity for rural communities</title><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;WELCOME community WiFi service is now available in Kenya and it might be a game changer like public access telecenters and WiFi hotspots were in the past.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Starlink&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://starlinkinsider.com/starlink-maritime/"&gt;launched maritime service in July 2022&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;nbsp;and by January 2023 Elcome International LLC, a maritime technology solution provider since 1970,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://elcome.com/news/elcome-brings-starlink-high-speed-low-latency-internet-to-the-global-maritime-industries/"&gt;had installed multi-antenna Starlink Maritime arrays&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;on two super yachts with more than 100 passengers and crew.&amp;nbsp;&lt;span face="&amp;quot;system-ui&amp;quot;, serif" style="line-height: 107%;"&gt;Elcome
launched its&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://elcome.com/news/elcome-international-launches-welcome-a-revolutionary-maritime-internet-service-powered-by-starlink/?utm_source=chatgpt.com"&gt;&lt;span face="&amp;quot;system-ui&amp;quot;,serif" style="line-height: 107%; mso-bidi-font-family: system-ui; mso-fareast-font-family: system-ui;"&gt;Starlink
maritime service&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span face="&amp;quot;system-ui&amp;quot;, serif" style="line-height: 107%;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;in May 2024 and now&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://x.com/jimmyg/status/1845125095918010653"&gt;&lt;span face="&amp;quot;system-ui&amp;quot;,serif" style="line-height: 107%; mso-bidi-font-family: system-ui; mso-fareast-font-family: system-ui;"&gt;has over
3,000 terminals under management&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span face="&amp;quot;system-ui&amp;quot;, serif" style="line-height: 107%;"&gt;,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;In May, I had a positive&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20240501-starlink-service-is-great-on-some-cruise-ships"&gt;experience using Starlink on a cruise ship&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;off the Northwest coast of Africa. The ship had 264 passengers and a crew of 120. We were a small, floating community. Elcomm is now transferring its experience with maritime communities to communities on land.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Elcome Managing Director Jimmy Grewal&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/jimmyg/status/1820884432448053529"&gt;set a goal&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;of "creating a Wi-Fi hotspot service that I would be happy to use daily, and be proud to show my friends"&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="color: #0f1419;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; white-space-collapse: preserve;"&gt;and is &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;“very passionate” about their WELCOME&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/jimmyg/status/1845732766337454432"&gt;Community WiFi service for rural areas.&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;WELCOME in Kenya is offered as&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://karibuconnect.com/"&gt;Karibu Connect&lt;/a&gt;. (Karibu means welcome in Swahili).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiVPgJ1oAkfcWCeHaxmzKrOA1AjIRCv3YjuAQAlGhgZhHHXYDU4tOJl2a8l8EZqgBe4rjqH32UlahIBaCd_IuraQKs8GmncmSZ1i943EZPCJf26yvk5xBja4aGvc8hWfL8f707HuMydBv_sdF8jpsW9Pwgq7-tzh83hHYGVnjJt0YXW6VXpEY7RUPnrR2I/s1561/karibuconnect3.png" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="1552" data-original-width="1561" height="349" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiVPgJ1oAkfcWCeHaxmzKrOA1AjIRCv3YjuAQAlGhgZhHHXYDU4tOJl2a8l8EZqgBe4rjqH32UlahIBaCd_IuraQKs8GmncmSZ1i943EZPCJf26yvk5xBja4aGvc8hWfL8f707HuMydBv_sdF8jpsW9Pwgq7-tzh83hHYGVnjJt0YXW6VXpEY7RUPnrR2I/w351-h349/karibuconnect3.png" width="351" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;WELCOME community gateway (&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/jimmyg/status/1845732766337454432"&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;The solar-powered gateway shown here provides over&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/jimmyg/status/1845732766337454432"&gt;400 Mbps to roughly a square kilometer&lt;/a&gt;. They offer&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://welcome.online/pricing/"&gt;two configurations&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;WELCOME PRO&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Up to 50 users&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Starlink Enterprise Terminal&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;8-Port Switch&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Two Wi-Fi Access Points&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Ksh,106,999 ($826.31)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;WELCOME MAX&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;More than 50 users&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Starlink Flat High-Performance Terminal&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;8-Port Switch&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Four Wi-Fi Access Points&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Ksh.377,000 377,000 ($2,911.42)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;They offer several data plans and say some customers will qualify for free hardware. They do not specify the requirements for free hardware, but it may be a function of the data plan or other factors like whether or not it is a non-profit organization. This is the pricing model pioneered by Gillette—give them the razors and sell them the blades and whatever the price of the "razors" is, the prices of the "blades" will decline as competition comes online and constellation capacities increase&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Starlink has a huge first-mover advantage over its would-be LEO ISP competitors, but OneWeb offers service-level agreements (SLAs) that will be attractive for organizations like schools, clinics, government offices, and businesses as well as public access telecenters and WiFi hotspots.&amp;nbsp; &lt;a href="https://www.spaceintelreport.com/starlink-to-offer-slas-in-2025-removing-competitors-sales-argument-speedcast-starlink-sales-surpass-10000-starlink-units/"&gt;It has been reported&lt;/a&gt; that Starlink plans&amp;nbsp;to offer SLAs&amp;nbsp;to maritime customers and perhaps other markets in early 2025. This makes sense since there is relatively little contention for capacity at sea. The same is true for rural areas in developing nations, so they may also offer SLAs in Kenya and elsewhere. (Note that Intelsat &lt;a href="https://www.satellitetoday.com/content-collection/digital-transformation-in-maritime-shipping-dependent-on-high-speed-low-latency-always-available-satellite-connectivity/?utm_source=omeda&amp;amp;utm_medium=levlab-email&amp;amp;utm_content=AICD241121022&amp;amp;utm_campaign=SAT-3P-Partners&amp;amp;om_id=1154380728&amp;amp;om_eid=9418I9558289I8D&amp;amp;oly_enc_id=9418I9558289I8D"&gt;has strengthened its maritime partnership&lt;/a&gt; with OneWeb).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;OneWeb may also have a political advantage in India due to the influence of the Bharti family and concern over&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://nagalandpage.com/musks-starlink-seeking-to-offer-satellite-broadband-internet-service-in-india-is-a-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing-thinktank/#google_vignette"&gt;Elon Musk's political activity&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;Political concerns may deter reliance on Starlink in other nations as well. Might WELCOME offer a OneWeb-based terminal or even a&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/06/two-new-chinese-internet-service.html"&gt;Chinese&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: #1a1a1a;"&gt;Qianfan-based&lt;/span&gt;&amp;nbsp;terminal&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;one day?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgmvhDtKhyQr3_kGKGgLRc3VqzySqbDKoxNicGFIVgx4TqJbQ8td6GttMGEyBoFv5QkdvMjobE98xWSbDbdkPTyxoXJQHXWwtVv7kzje3xLdoAjp85wUmWq-AA2z9a3BoYeBod9VOI2luwSxFrnjijT_ROxw_7qjivMJSrZgtE6_xnb0jOZR2hyphenhyphensfANa6c/s1200/Cabina'.jpg" style="clear: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="675" data-original-width="1200" height="180" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgmvhDtKhyQr3_kGKGgLRc3VqzySqbDKoxNicGFIVgx4TqJbQ8td6GttMGEyBoFv5QkdvMjobE98xWSbDbdkPTyxoXJQHXWwtVv7kzje3xLdoAjp85wUmWq-AA2z9a3BoYeBod9VOI2luwSxFrnjijT_ROxw_7qjivMJSrZgtE6_xnb0jOZR2hyphenhyphensfANa6c/s320/Cabina'.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;The first&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://rpp.pe/tecnologia/mas-tecnologia/asi-era-la-primera-cabina-de-internet-del-peru-noticia-1051281?ref=rpp"&gt;cabina de Internet&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;in Lima Perú.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Public-access telecenters and later WiFi hotspots played a significant role in the early diffusion of the Internet in developing nations. The first telecenters I knew of were the &lt;a href="https://www.iadb.org/en/news/internet-people"&gt;public-access Internet "cabins"&lt;/a&gt; established by&amp;nbsp;Jose Soriano of the Scientific Network of Peru, starting in 1994, and Andy Carvin&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://interoperable-europe.ec.europa.eu/sites/default/files/document/2014-12/media2257.pdf"&gt;documented many other early telecenters&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;By 2002, &lt;a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/220536739_Latin_American_Community_Telecenters_It's_a_long_way_to_TICperary"&gt;there were 6,446 telecenters&lt;/a&gt; in Latin America and commitments for another 4,187 and they still play a role. For example,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://chatgpt.com/share/673e70be-ab58-8004-9d54-c8081de7cc1b"&gt;ChatGPT says &lt;/a&gt;Cuba has over 600 public "navigation" rooms and 2,000 public WiFi hotspots as of 2024.&amp;nbsp;&lt;span class="TextRun SCXW219418298 BCX0" data-contrast="auto" face="&amp;quot;system-ui&amp;quot;, system-ui_EmbeddedFont, system-ui_MSFontService, sans-serif" lang="EN-US" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; -webkit-user-drag: none; background-color: white; font-variant-ligatures: none; line-height: 20.5042px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; white-space-collapse: preserve;" xml:lang="EN-US"&gt;&lt;span class="NormalTextRun SCXW219418298 BCX0" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; -webkit-user-drag: none; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; user-select: text;"&gt;(I could not access &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="NormalTextRun SCXW219418298 BCX0" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; -webkit-user-drag: none; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; user-select: text;"&gt;the&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="NormalTextRun SCXW219418298 BCX0" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; -webkit-user-drag: none; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; user-select: text;"&gt; websites of Cuba&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="NormalTextRun SCXW219418298 BCX0" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; -webkit-user-drag: none; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; user-select: text;"&gt;’&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="NormalTextRun SCXW219418298 BCX0" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; -webkit-user-drag: none; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; user-select: text;"&gt;s government-run ISP or the&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="NormalTextRun SCXW219418298 BCX0" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; -webkit-user-drag: none; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; user-select: text;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="NormalTextRun SCXW219418298 BCX0" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; -webkit-user-drag: none; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; user-select: text;"&gt;National Statistics Office to verify that claim).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="EOP SCXW219418298 BCX0" data-ccp-props="{}" face="&amp;quot;system-ui&amp;quot;, system-ui_EmbeddedFont, system-ui_MSFontService, sans-serif" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; -webkit-user-drag: none; background-color: white; line-height: 20.5042px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; white-space-collapse: preserve;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="EOP SCXW219418298 BCX0" data-ccp-props="{}" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; -webkit-user-drag: none; background-color: white; font-family: inherit; line-height: 20.5042px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; white-space-collapse: preserve;"&gt;Starlink and other LEO satellite Internet service providers may bring connectivity to many rural communities that can not be reached economically with terrestrial infrastructure. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class="EOP SCXW219418298 BCX0" data-ccp-props="{}" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; -webkit-user-drag: none; background-color: white; font-family: inherit; line-height: 20.5042px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; white-space-collapse: preserve;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 12/14/2024&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span class="EOP SCXW219418298 BCX0" data-ccp-props="{}" face="&amp;quot;system-ui&amp;quot;, system-ui_EmbeddedFont, system-ui_MSFontService, sans-serif" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent; -webkit-user-drag: none; background-color: white; line-height: 20.5042px; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; user-select: text; white-space-collapse: preserve;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;It is too soon to tell whether Welcome community wifi will catch on at today's Starlink &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; white-space-collapse: preserve;"&gt;speed and price, but we can be sure that price-performance will improve in the future. SpaceX recently &lt;a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M1-L0nhCFzXwb0fxzYmNFn85HdHqU4Vu/view"&gt;requested a modification&lt;/a&gt; of the Starlink V2 constellation lowering orbits and elevation angles slightly and claiming they would provide "gigabit speeds," Elon Musk &lt;a href="https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1845884681050276333"&gt;predicted a 10X speed increase&lt;/a&gt; and SpaceX&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"&gt; President and COO Gwynne Shotwell &lt;a href="https://www.pcmag.com/news/spacex-eyes-2-gigabit-speeds-for-starlink-with-capacity-upgrades"&gt;predicts 2 Gbps speed&lt;/a&gt;. Speeds will vary depending on your location, but the next-generation satellites will offer a substantial improvement, making the case for satellite vs terrestrial backhaul from rural locations stronger.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 1/16/2025&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiFGENzcnVbj7Sonkk3tqmDxt323oo_gzFFND_6yz2UGhNkHPEvXhz1p_xUkk6tYPNoVoBzmYELXdhBlse72Q5ExsuM1VuIXnBPjpX0WNsZjUT-KFLuMaA-mTDH33a4pGD96s-fQIf3qe1ATZlrcw3iF2xIYaZlacoRuNPGt0c4bt_guV_5njKtJA/s1080/KenyanSchool.jpg" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="1080" data-original-width="1080" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiFGENzcnVbj7Sonkk3tqmDxt323oo_gzFFND_6yz2UGhNkHPEvXhz1p_xUkk6tYPNoVoBzmYELXdhBlse72Q5ExsuM1VuIXnBPjpX0WNsZjUT-KFLuMaA-mTDH33a4pGD96s-fQIf3qe1ATZlrcw3iF2xIYaZlacoRuNPGt0c4bt_guV_5njKtJA/s320/KenyanSchool.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Karibu Connect reports that the Kenyan &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;T&lt;/span&gt;echnical&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"&gt; and Vocational Education and Training (&lt;a href="https://www.tveta.go.ke/"&gt;TVET&lt;/a&gt;) has funded connectivity for &lt;a href="https://karibuconnect.com/2025/01/16/karibu-connect-powers-education-in-rural-kenya-with-starlink/"&gt;four rural TVET schools&lt;/a&gt; to the Internet. They report that &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"&gt;enrollment rates increased by over 70% at some institutions demonstrating how access to technology has sparked renewed interest in education. F&lt;/span&gt;or example&lt;span style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #3a4f66;"&gt;, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #3a4f66; font-family: Poppins, poppins;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.nachutechnical.ac.ke/"&gt;Nachu TVC&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;launched the&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="color: #3a4f66; font-family: Poppins, poppins;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://jitume.konza.go.ke/#/home/index"&gt;Jitume Program&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"&gt;a youth-focused initiative offering access to digital services, skills, and job creation opportunities through technology.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"&gt;Karibu Connect is just getting underway and is looking for support from nonprofits, government organizations, or philanthropists, so it is too soon to draw conclusions about its impact on rural education, but it certainly bears watching.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="white-space-collapse: preserve;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/1659088485361269755/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/11/internet-communities-at-sea-come-ashore.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/1659088485361269755" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/1659088485361269755" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/11/internet-communities-at-sea-come-ashore.html" rel="alternate" title="Starlink connectivity for rural communities" type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" height="72" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiVPgJ1oAkfcWCeHaxmzKrOA1AjIRCv3YjuAQAlGhgZhHHXYDU4tOJl2a8l8EZqgBe4rjqH32UlahIBaCd_IuraQKs8GmncmSZ1i943EZPCJf26yvk5xBja4aGvc8hWfL8f707HuMydBv_sdF8jpsW9Pwgq7-tzh83hHYGVnjJt0YXW6VXpEY7RUPnrR2I/s72-w351-h349-c/karibuconnect3.png" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-7963970871705658296</id><published>2024-09-12T10:38:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2024-10-26T12:15:32.197-07:00</updated><title type="text">Affordable Starlink Prices Coming to Low and Middle-Income Countries</title><content type="html">&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;SpaceX first departed from its uniform Starlink pricing policy when it&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/08/spacex-starlinks-variable-pricing-pilot.html" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;offered a reduced price for throttled service&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;in France two years ago. Since then, many new, higher-capacity satellites have been launched, enabling SpaceX to reduce prices in low and middle-income countries, like Kenya.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9alHZ-MKWz9cQ6oKOgq0PKlDcUWtRYf_w-W5HngbGDje-VFqdA8XxMVTbAN835KrNDTTy7034OzzO04HidmMWwmW5I_HFQs3qG04-6zktx7OKk67iGBwIzEzw-EYXRqxurCNZBWuIciWsVvmft0AZJYbzkDveJ3vmNdpnApR-2vrUZ24QW3ErrA/s1900/KenyStarlinkAdoption.png" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="1100" data-original-width="1900" height="185" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9alHZ-MKWz9cQ6oKOgq0PKlDcUWtRYf_w-W5HngbGDje-VFqdA8XxMVTbAN835KrNDTTy7034OzzO04HidmMWwmW5I_HFQs3qG04-6zktx7OKk67iGBwIzEzw-EYXRqxurCNZBWuIciWsVvmft0AZJYbzkDveJ3vmNdpnApR-2vrUZ24QW3ErrA/s320/KenyStarlinkAdoption.png" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Starlink (≥ 100 Mbps) satellite Internet growth (&lt;a href="https://techcabal.com/2024/06/25/starlink-grows-kenya-satellite-internet-users-10x-in-a-year/"&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Kenya&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://techcabal.com/2024/06/25/starlink-grows-kenya-satellite-internet-users-10x-in-a-year/"&gt;had 405 geostationary satellite internet subscribers&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;when Starlink became available in July 2023. B&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: #0f172a;"&gt;y March 2024 there were 4,808 satellite Internet users, according to data from Kenya’s Communications Authority.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: #0f172a; font-family: inherit;"&gt;The price and offering have changed. &lt;a href="https://tech-ish.com/2023/07/18/starlink-kenya-cost-competition/"&gt;Initially&lt;/a&gt;, the hardware, including shipping and handling, was KES92,100 ($715) and the monthly service was KES6,500 ($50).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: #0f172a;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://Starlink.com"&gt;Today&lt;/a&gt;, the service price is the same for uncapped access today, but the hardware cost is down to&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: #0f172a;"&gt;KES45,500 ($353) a&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: #0f172a;"&gt;nd they offer a hardware rental plan for&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #0f172a;"&gt;KES1,950&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #0f172a;"&gt;($15)/&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #0f172a; font-family: inherit;"&gt;month.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Starlink's unlimited data plan will appeal to affluent consumers and organizations like schools and businesses. It might also appeal to people who live close enough to each other to share a single account although that must be a violation of Starlink's contract.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #0f172a;"&gt;Starlink also has a new affordable plan with 50GB of data for&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #0f172a;"&gt;KES1,300 ($10) plus&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #0f172a;"&gt;KES20/GB ($0.16) for overage data.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;The affordable plan&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.msn.com/en-xl/africa/top-stories/elon-musk-s-starlink-cheaper-data-plan-for-kenya-jolts-safaricom-airtel/ar-BB1oUHzc"&gt;is a strong competitor for Airtel and Safaricom&lt;/a&gt;, which combined have 95.2 % of the Kenyan mobile broadband market and offer fixed connectivity in limited areas. (I wonder how much "mobile" data is consumed by users on computers connected to mobile hotspots at home).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Starlink has a speed advantage over Airtel and Safaricom and serves areas with low population density they do not reach. (As of this writing, Starlink is at full capacity in Nairobi). Despite reduced prices, Starlink's equipment cost is too high for many Kenyans, hence the hardware rental plan.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://poa.co.ke/"&gt;Poa! Internet&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;is another competitor. Poa! offers unlimited 5 Mb/s fixed connectivity for only KES1,575 ($12) /month with an installation fee of KES2,500 ($19.40). At 5 Mb/s it is slower than the others, but &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2023/03/connecting-every-home-in-africa.html"&gt;fast enough for most Internet applications&lt;/a&gt;. For example,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://help.netflix.com/en/node/306#:~:text=To%20watch%20TV%20shows%20and,amount%20of%20data%20Netflix%20uses. "&gt;Netflix says it is sufficient to stream 1080p HD video&lt;/a&gt;. (For many applications, &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2023/12/its-latency-fcc.html"&gt;latency is more important than speed&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Poa! Internet customers &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2023/03/connecting-every-home-in-africa.html"&gt;average about 200 GB/month&lt;/a&gt; but unlimited Starlink customers consume much more than that since they can support multiple users online simultaneously. (I have&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/04/starlink-service-is-great-on-some.html"&gt;streamed four Netflix videos simultaneously&lt;/a&gt; on a ship off the coast of North Africa). A Starlink user in Kenya told me he had been using "multiple terabytes a month" and market tests at a large Kenyan ISP estimated the Starlink consumption would be over 2 TB/month.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Steve Song has pointed out ways &lt;a href="https://manypossibilities.net/2023/11/starlink-and-inequality/"&gt;Starlink contributes to inequality&lt;/a&gt; in Africa. Still, it is also bringing the&amp;nbsp; Internet to users and organizations that did not have access previously and putting pressure on legacy ISPs to compete. (Starlink is partially responsible for recent expansion by existing companies like&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.airtelkenya.com/Airtel-Kenya-Home-Data-Plans-Launch"&gt;Airtel&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;and&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://hapakenya.com/2024/08/12/safaricom-5g-is-now-available-across-all-47-counties-in-kenya/"&gt;Safaricom&lt;/a&gt;).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Starlink has demonstrated a willingness to adapt in Kenya as they did in France two years ago and we can look forward to ongoing improvement as new, higher capacity satellites are launched on improved rockets and the African ground infrastructure improves. We can also look forward to competition from other satellite ISPs like Amazon and&amp;nbsp;Quianfan. It will be interesting to see the Kenyan Internet in ten years.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Update 9/16/2024&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhpa9lXvMJI6S7VVmmm6ms0R_NbNCnqrekka68ceci7w-2aor8m-zSAvWfhdd6OzQYz-OWKSX-gawpQwYfvWrWzlLadKogwYEk6_Zh7Qay0L60blesBitHtYqI377wTdXo5K2YUGORHYA6flKkQIqB_Gn7tQoZC5IQZaQAOpzW3uiD2pNUY_LH6Ag/s1200/KenyaGateway.webp" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="680" data-original-width="1200" height="168" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhpa9lXvMJI6S7VVmmm6ms0R_NbNCnqrekka68ceci7w-2aor8m-zSAvWfhdd6OzQYz-OWKSX-gawpQwYfvWrWzlLadKogwYEk6_Zh7Qay0L60blesBitHtYqI377wTdXo5K2YUGORHYA6flKkQIqB_Gn7tQoZC5IQZaQAOpzW3uiD2pNUY_LH6Ag/w297-h168/KenyaGateway.webp" width="297" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;Suspected Kenyan Starlink gateways (&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/Megaconstellati/status/1835276848160223454"&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;I've been told that Starlink latency from Nairobi to a Netflix node in Lagos is about 50ms because there is a gateway in Nigeria, but latency to a Kenyan banking site is 400ms or more because it requires transit over Africa's terrestrial infrastructure.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Since Starlink's only African gateway &lt;a href="https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=6.045789930760673%2C4.6439507847792285&amp;amp;z=7&amp;amp;mid=1805q6rlePY4WZd8QMOaNe2BqAgFkYBY"&gt;is in Nigeria&lt;/a&gt;, my guess is that latency to Europe or even the US is somewhere between those two because undersea cables land in Nigeria.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;A gateway in Nairobi would improve latency in Kenya and the East in general.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 10/23/2024&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjmb3XTu-q-qgSXXUrsDfg3oI2VhwhyphenhyphenHhRJqvvaOI-8Y1LDwtxre5ze6qaXaX-O7L59VLu19n0in1AZdN6lASBpbvTovJ9GyHEH9VZdxf-AmhnFsk67aUSBuY8LISDqrKvIbfw3vRnKcNtevOD-97VQ9YXhOc-VPoS9enDAzePwTRSdBKHF9uXgkA/s1408/KenyaMarketShare.png" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="1138" data-original-width="1408" height="225" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjmb3XTu-q-qgSXXUrsDfg3oI2VhwhyphenhyphenHhRJqvvaOI-8Y1LDwtxre5ze6qaXaX-O7L59VLu19n0in1AZdN6lASBpbvTovJ9GyHEH9VZdxf-AmhnFsk67aUSBuY8LISDqrKvIbfw3vRnKcNtevOD-97VQ9YXhOc-VPoS9enDAzePwTRSdBKHF9uXgkA/w278-h225/KenyaMarketShare.png" width="278" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;In the three months between March and June, the number of &lt;a href="https://spaceinafrica.com/2024/10/14/starlink-kenya-records-nearly-2000-increase-in-subscriptions-within-one-year/"&gt;Starlink subscriptions in Kenya grew from 4,808 to 8,324 (73%)&lt;/a&gt;. While the number of subscribers is still small, there is certainly a market for LEO satellite connectivity in Kenya.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Starlink is growing rapidly but only accounts for only .5% of the market; but as Peter Ndegwa, CEO of Kenya's largest phone company has said “From a satellite perspective, we have to partner with Starlink or other satellite providers to ensure that technology plays right through” and &lt;a href="https://finance.yahoo.com/news/-biggest-wireless-firm-talks-110151391.html"&gt;they are in talks with Starlink and other satellite providers&lt;/a&gt; on potential future partnerships,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/7963970871705658296/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/09/affordable-starlink-prices-coming-to.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/7963970871705658296" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/7963970871705658296" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/09/affordable-starlink-prices-coming-to.html" rel="alternate" title="Affordable Starlink Prices Coming to Low and Middle-Income Countries" type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" height="72" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9alHZ-MKWz9cQ6oKOgq0PKlDcUWtRYf_w-W5HngbGDje-VFqdA8XxMVTbAN835KrNDTTy7034OzzO04HidmMWwmW5I_HFQs3qG04-6zktx7OKk67iGBwIzEzw-EYXRqxurCNZBWuIciWsVvmft0AZJYbzkDveJ3vmNdpnApR-2vrUZ24QW3ErrA/s72-c/KenyStarlinkAdoption.png" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-2712656013506164015</id><published>2024-08-21T09:53:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2025-10-10T12:19:35.483-07:00</updated><title type="text">Russian Internet pioneer sentenced to two years in prison</title><content type="html">&lt;table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhf1KSUMfxue-M_jMo6UoSVWwUhg1RQi4zXrUxgHwQESO_ExRHPmxx1tDMSaCMiFs20aOITuZhTORafMLXV0uaVER-O9pOJ5Blz3Nyd1vCKgmnczZGX8qs-bG6v09LX8pRECxvZrD43PlN1vR1Y9zjvbuEkXApfXTVsUH4EBKRZ550OaL-cmwdVDQ/s1271/kremvaxmachineroom2.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="847" data-original-width="1271" height="426" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhf1KSUMfxue-M_jMo6UoSVWwUhg1RQi4zXrUxgHwQESO_ExRHPmxx1tDMSaCMiFs20aOITuZhTORafMLXV0uaVER-O9pOJ5Blz3Nyd1vCKgmnczZGX8qs-bG6v09LX8pRECxvZrD43PlN1vR1Y9zjvbuEkXApfXTVsUH4EBKRZ550OaL-cmwdVDQ/w640-h426/kremvaxmachineroom2.png" width="640" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;table align="left" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Relcom machine room. Kremvax, the micro-VAX shown here, linked Relcom to Finland and the outside world and the modems communicated within&lt;br /&gt;The Soviet Union.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Last month, Russian Internet pioneer Alexey Soldatov&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://apnews.com/article/russia-crackdown-soldatov-1515f320ea6e332574f38d0320a69b5f"&gt;was sentenced to two years in a labor colony&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;on charges of “abuse of power.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Soldatov, the co-founder of Russia's first&amp;nbsp; Internet service provider, Relcom, was convicted for his role as a co-founder and director of the Russian Institute for Development of Public Networks (RIPN). RIPN was founded in 1992 to support research and education networking. &lt;a href="http://old.ripn.su/about/en/"&gt;One of its functions was&lt;/a&gt; the “r&lt;/span&gt;egistration of IP numbers for the customers from the blocks delegated RIPN by the Europe coordination body &lt;a href="https://www.ripe.net/"&gt;RIPE&lt;/a&gt;".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="https://meduza.io/en/feature/2019/12/31/soviet-internet-sovereignty" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;As Russia’s first local Internet registry&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt; (LIR), RIPN was allocated a block of IP addresses to distribute to customers for a fee. By early 2019, RIPN had assigned about 490,000 IPv4 addresses to more than 700 clients, mostly scientific and educational organizations.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;In December 2018, the RIPN board decided to dissolve the organization since it was no longer commercially sustainable and its role as an operator of scientific and educational networks was no longer necessary. In April 2019, RIPN informed its clients that it was terminating its work as an LIR and re-registering their IP addresses in the RIPE database under a Czech company called Reliable Communications, which Alexey Soldatov and Alexey Shkittin owned. Shkittin was also a director of RIPN at the time. When the government learned of the dissolution plan, they stopped it and RIPN reclaimed the IP addresses. (Today there are &lt;a href="https://www.ripe.net/about-us/"&gt;over&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.ripe.net/about-us/"&gt;20,000 RIPE LIRs in 76 countries&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Defenders of the aborted transfer say the addresses had to go somewhere if RIPN was being dissolved and they were neither property nor worth the 500 million rubles ($8.1 million) as charged. They also point out that the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.intellinews.com/russian-internet-pioneer-sentenced-to-two-years-behind-bars-after-transferring-ip-addresses-abroad-335171/" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;charges were initiated by Andrey Lipov&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;, a prominent figure in the Russian Presidential Administration and the head of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roskomnadzor" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Roskomnadzor&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;. the Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology, and Mass Media.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Still, the transfer to a Czech company owned by Soldatov and Shkittin when they were RIPN directors looks fishy.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Was this a case of embezzlement or political retribution by a government that wants to surveil and censor the Internet?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I don't know the facts in this case, Russian law, or, with certainty, what motivated Soldatov to attempt to transfer those IP addresses, but I do know something about the character of the people involved.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span face="Aptos, sans-serif"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;I have first-hand knowledge of Alexey Soldatov. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Relcom&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RELCOM" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;was launched on August 1, 1990&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;in the Kurchatov Institute of Atomic Research in collaboration with the DEMOS cooperative. (Soldatov is a physicist). DEMOS was a&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEMOS" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;UNIX-like operating&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;system derived from BSD Unix which Relcom developed and distributed to research and education organizations.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;They used UUCP links to communicate with their Russian customers and soon connected to Europe (&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EUnet"&gt;EUnet&lt;/a&gt;) through Tampere University of Technology in Finland. The ability to make regular, long international calls needed for data transfer was unheard of at that time in Russia -- The Kurchatov Institute was an important research center.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;My colleague Juri Gornostaev and I used that UUCP link to organize the&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.interaction-design.org/literature/conference/first-moscow-international-hci91-workshop-proceedings"&gt;First East-West International Conference on Human-Computer Interaction&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;in Moscow. After the conference, I stayed in Moscow to meet and hang out with the Relcom staff. They were friendly, smart, idealistic, and anti-communist. They were members of the international Internet community as imagined by visionaries like &lt;a href="https://cdn.theatlantic.com/media/archives/1945/07/176-1/132407932.pdf"&gt;Vannevar Bush&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://internetat50.com/references/Licklider_Taylor_The-Computer-As-A-Communications-Device.pdf"&gt;J. C. R. Licklider&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjQIGpvVE8JzvCKVn_Tm4p1yJ1QqssqROmjJ0zWR3x8yegXAw2_43fNCYEzRaS3L_KADjN8Hv7pR4DUlXvP_jqp5w3Sfc2Nyp5mcgcPco_geQ2V0XmvTrFxAKljudxN_Iog7RSfUYtSPAt2of5Y9iBQCD8Xm7HAVJSrYYuSjj4_LkSKsuriUvlbrA/s2000/YeltsinOnTank.webp" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="1299" data-original-width="2000" height="208" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjQIGpvVE8JzvCKVn_Tm4p1yJ1QqssqROmjJ0zWR3x8yegXAw2_43fNCYEzRaS3L_KADjN8Hv7pR4DUlXvP_jqp5w3Sfc2Nyp5mcgcPco_geQ2V0XmvTrFxAKljudxN_Iog7RSfUYtSPAt2of5Y9iBQCD8Xm7HAVJSrYYuSjj4_LkSKsuriUvlbrA/s320/YeltsinOnTank.webp" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;Relcom sent Boris Yeltsin's &lt;a href="https://web.viu.ca/davies/H102/Yelstin.speech.1991.htm"&gt;speech on a tank&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;to The West.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;A few days after I returned home, a group of Russian officials&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Soviet_coup_attempt"&gt;attempted a coup&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;against the relatively progressive Gorbachev government. Mass media were shut down or broadcast old movies and operas, but&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Relcom stayed online, relaying news within Russia and between Russia and the rest of the world.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;As Relcom staff member Polina Anatova &lt;a href="https://www.cs.oswego.edu/~dab/coup/PAPERS/BozakPress.txt"&gt;said at the time&lt;/a&gt;, "Thank Heaven, these cretins don't consider us mass media!"&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span face="Aptos, sans-serif"&gt;I also know the character of Vladimir Putin and the Russian government. Russia&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span face="Aptos, sans-serif"&gt;commits daily war crimes in Ukraine and p&lt;/span&gt;olitical opponents who are not imprisoned tend to fall from the windows of tall buildings. Furthermore, Freedom House assessed Internet freedom in 70 nations last year and the only nations&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-net/scores"&gt;judged to have less Internet freedom than Russia&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;were China, Myanmar, Iran, and Cuba.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Given the uncertainties mentioned above, the government's track record, Soldatov's contributions to society, and the fact that the IP address transfer never took place, he has been under house arrest awaiting trial and is in ill health, this prison sentence is politically motivated and morally unjustified.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;For more on Relcom's early days and the role it played at the time of the Soviet coup attempt, see:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://demos.ru/upload/soviet_coup_1991.pdf"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Relom, an appropriate technology network&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2011/01/before-twitter-revolutions-there-was.htm"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Before the Twitter revolution, there was the Usenet revolution&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/125319.125403"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Wide Area Collaboration&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2017/01/history-is-written-and-revised-by.html"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;History is written and revised by the winners -- can the Internet Archive change that?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.cs.oswego.edu/~dab/coup/"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Soviet Coup Archive, including Usenet traffic&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.cs.oswego.edu/~dab/coup/PAPERS/BozakPress.txt"&gt;The Internet as an information resource&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 8/29/2024&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;MK reported that Alexey Soldatov &lt;a href="https://www.mk.ru/social/2024/08/01/72letnego-sozdatelya-runeta-osuzhdennogo-za-zloupotrebleniya-pomestili-v-zhutkie-usloviya.html"&gt;spent his first night in pretrial detention center No. 4 in terrible conditions&lt;/a&gt; -- sleeping on the floor without a mattress in a cell for 40 people. The article also points out that he was sentenced to two years in prison even though the prosecutor’s office requested a more lenient sentence.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The Board of the Internet Society (ISOC) of Bulgaria &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/veni/status/1828853152579277231"&gt;has called upon Russia to release Soldatov&lt;/a&gt;. They cite his critical medical condition. In recent years he has had two cancer-related surgeries and&amp;nbsp;has chronic cardiovascular and other health-related issues. A news article published on August 26 reported that he has a fever, problems breathing and his left lung is practically not working.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;ISOC Bulgaria points out that suspended sentences are not unusual for people who have not committed crimes before and calls for Soldatov's immediate release while his conviction is being appealed. Other organizations should do the same.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 10/10/2025&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Alexey Soldatov was released from prison. His son Andrei posted:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Good personal news: My father, Alexey Soldatov, has been released from jail, his prison sentence was replaced with a fine. He’s already home and doing well, all things considered. Thank you all for your support during this difficult year!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;https://x.com/AndreiSoldatov/status/1956409900177006776&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/2712656013506164015/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/08/russian-internet-pioneer-sentenced-to.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/2712656013506164015" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/2712656013506164015" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/08/russian-internet-pioneer-sentenced-to.html" rel="alternate" title="Russian Internet pioneer sentenced to two years in prison" type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" height="72" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhf1KSUMfxue-M_jMo6UoSVWwUhg1RQi4zXrUxgHwQESO_ExRHPmxx1tDMSaCMiFs20aOITuZhTORafMLXV0uaVER-O9pOJ5Blz3Nyd1vCKgmnczZGX8qs-bG6v09LX8pRECxvZrD43PlN1vR1Y9zjvbuEkXApfXTVsUH4EBKRZ550OaL-cmwdVDQ/s72-w640-h426-c/kremvaxmachineroom2.png" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-3604770338846799916</id><published>2024-08-12T22:43:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2024-08-21T11:25:21.008-07:00</updated><title type="text">Is the "father or the Russian Internet" a criminal?</title><content type="html">Post revised -- see&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20240821-russian-internet-pioneer-sentenced-to-two-years-in-prison"&gt;https://circleid.com/posts/20240821-russian-internet-pioneer-sentenced-to-two-years-in-prison&lt;/a&gt;.</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/3604770338846799916/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/08/is-father-or-russian-internet-criminal.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/3604770338846799916" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/3604770338846799916" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/08/is-father-or-russian-internet-criminal.html" rel="alternate" title="Is the &quot;father or the Russian Internet&quot; a criminal?" type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-2273929925633309567</id><published>2024-07-13T14:37:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2024-07-13T15:05:01.479-07:00</updated><title type="text">Geely Geespace update -- global centimeter-level positioning services</title><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhXtMFqWC3k1AM3hYJqqUYpvU0cpKBGPAWwjO4C1mKRf53ScB4tLkt2OfDTMTR12Z8ItMVYolW9mIuvH1iChieccoMI23Ef9yTaUbc9T8Slxh3gH6ZHq8VIoackJNME3OG330ck9wcXzGvevKnyRggf1jgYWoGA0-xk4_3PCL3_SkycSwaGY3r4KQ/s3000/GeesatApplications.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="1500" data-original-width="3000" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhXtMFqWC3k1AM3hYJqqUYpvU0cpKBGPAWwjO4C1mKRf53ScB4tLkt2OfDTMTR12Z8ItMVYolW9mIuvH1iChieccoMI23Ef9yTaUbc9T8Slxh3gH6ZHq8VIoackJNME3OG330ck9wcXzGvevKnyRggf1jgYWoGA0-xk4_3PCL3_SkycSwaGY3r4KQ/w640-h320/GeesatApplications.png" width="640" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Potential Geesat applications (&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS1dl2KYheg"&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Chinese automobile conglomerate &lt;a href="https://global.geely.com/"&gt;Geely&lt;/a&gt; has made significant strides since I last wrote about their Geesat&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20200305_geelys_leo_constellation_for_mobile_vehicle_connectivity"&gt;LEO constellation for mobile vehicle connectivity&lt;/a&gt;, They &lt;a href="https://zgh.com/media-center/news/2022-06-02/?lang=en"&gt;launched the first nine&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;satellites in June 2022 and a second&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://zgh.com/media-center/news/2024-09-03/?lang=en"&gt;batch of eleven satellites&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;in February 2024. The mass of the first nine satellites was 100 kg and the mass of the second eleven was 130 kg so they are not identical.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Today, they have twenty satellites&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.planet4589.org/space/gcat/data/cat/satcat.html"&gt;orbiting at 600 km with a 50-degree inclination&lt;/a&gt;, and the recently launched eleven are equipped with "artificial intelligence"&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.gpsworld.com/geely-expands-satellite-network-for-autonomous-vehicles/"&gt;remote sensing capabilities&lt;/a&gt;, allowing them to capture clear high-resolution images with a resolution ranging from 3.2 ft to 16.4 ft. These satellites can provide data and imagery for multiple applications, including surveillance, urban planning, and infrastructure management.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;These satellites are the first of a 72-satellite first-phase constellation.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://chinaspacemonitor.substack.com/p/the-story-of-geespace"&gt;The company plans to provide&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;“global real-time data communication services” once the 72-satellite first-phase constellation is completed next year and “global centimeter-level positioning services” when the 168 second-phase satellites are in orbit at an unspecified time.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgjf8roYvBWxH6qEGE7QJs58y9bZEeMNC0PxeXXULacsdn0L1JkI5Yj3MqJVhLbzOHo-AUGLBZH01U9PBffDDiaV2HBlk5A4X9qcSViVjK3iZdNGUqSh-1gBFbj497ZmOZYxYI2lVlB_iPIP2n0XUQR_nYvfd9NlnTV03m6DHyVOXhX9Txz7szd7Q/s1192/RTK-PPP.png" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="648" data-original-width="1192" height="174" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgjf8roYvBWxH6qEGE7QJs58y9bZEeMNC0PxeXXULacsdn0L1JkI5Yj3MqJVhLbzOHo-AUGLBZH01U9PBffDDiaV2HBlk5A4X9qcSViVjK3iZdNGUqSh-1gBFbj497ZmOZYxYI2lVlB_iPIP2n0XUQR_nYvfd9NlnTV03m6DHyVOXhX9Txz7szd7Q/s320/RTK-PPP.png" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;RTK-PPP (&lt;a href="https://www.mwrf.com/markets/automotive/article/21275884/point-one-understanding-gnss-correction-methods"&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Centimeter-level positioning would be impossible using only GPS (or BeiDou) satellites that orbit at around 20,000 kilometers, but Geely is planning to use&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.mwrf.com/markets/automotive/article/21275884/point-one-understanding-gnss-correction-methods"&gt;RTK-PPP&lt;/a&gt; (Real-Time Kinematic and Precise Point Positioning) to provide centimeter-level positioning accuracy for GPS satellites.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;As shown here, RTK-PPP augments location data from multiple satellites with the rover's position relative to a terrestrial base station. (The rover could be an autonomous car, truck, crop harvester, etc.).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;One can imagine base stations along highways, freeways, and even in cities, but that would require investments by governments at all levels, auto producers, and other private companies. It would also need standards that are compatible with all GNSS systems. This will not happen overnight, but I am not surprised to see Geely leading the way because:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Geely founder and Chairman &lt;a href="https://zgh.com/media-center/story/introducing-geely-holding-employee-number-one-eric-li/?lang=en"&gt;Li Shufu&lt;/a&gt; is a risk taker in the mold of Elon Musk and &lt;a href="https://chinaspacemonitor.substack.com/p/the-story-of-geespace"&gt;Geespace was initiated&lt;/a&gt; about six years ago when he “floated his idea of using hundreds of proprietary mini, low-orbit satellites as a more accurate global positioning system for self-driving cars.”&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;China has built the &lt;a href="https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202406/1314382.shtml"&gt;world's biggest EV charging network&lt;/a&gt;, in stark contrast to US failure. This indicates a will to invest in mobility infrastructure.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Geely is aware of and perhaps collaborating with Chinese GNSS operator BeiDou which is &lt;a href="https://satellite-navigation.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s43020-024-00143-8"&gt;working toward global centimeter-accurate positioning&lt;/a&gt; utilizing LEO, MEO, and GEO satellites augmented by terrestrial ground stations.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;Geely brands&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://global.geely.com/en/news/2024/geely-holding-annual-sales-2023"&gt;sold&amp;nbsp;2.79 million units in 2023&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;and China space expert &lt;a href="https://chinaspacemonitor.substack.com/p/the-story-of-geespace"&gt;Blaine Curcio concludes&lt;/a&gt; that "Within 5-10 years, Geespace could conceivably have a constellation of satellites connecting all Geely cars in a very interesting example of vertical integration (actual use cases pending)."&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;ChatGPT reports that BeiDou currently offers a Ground-Based Augmentation System (GBAS) coverage in much of China and plans to cover the entire nation, which is true, but mistakenly claimed there were GBAS instances outside of China at this time. (However, BeiDou's standard satellite navigation service&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://govt.chinadaily.com.cn/s/202307/06/WS64ab7077498ea274927c4684/chinas-bds-serves-over-200-countries-regions.html"&gt;is used in many nations&lt;/a&gt;, which must have confused ChatGPT).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;A final note -- several of the references in this post are to Blaine Curcio's &lt;a href="https://chinaspacemonitor.substack.com/"&gt;China Space Monitor&lt;/a&gt;. Check it out if you are interested in what China is doing in space. I also used but took with a grain of salt, conversations with ChanGPT:&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://chatgpt.com/share/93d62c0a-e9cc-455f-a22e-60f122c3be7a"&gt;chat1&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://chatgpt.com/share/d9a35d64-ed6f-4b63-b152-aeff19f73667"&gt;chat2&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/2273929925633309567/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/07/geely-geespace-update-global-centimeter.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/2273929925633309567" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/2273929925633309567" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/07/geely-geespace-update-global-centimeter.html" rel="alternate" title="Geely Geespace update -- global centimeter-level positioning services" type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" height="72" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhXtMFqWC3k1AM3hYJqqUYpvU0cpKBGPAWwjO4C1mKRf53ScB4tLkt2OfDTMTR12Z8ItMVYolW9mIuvH1iChieccoMI23Ef9yTaUbc9T8Slxh3gH6ZHq8VIoackJNME3OG330ck9wcXzGvevKnyRggf1jgYWoGA0-xk4_3PCL3_SkycSwaGY3r4KQ/s72-w640-h320-c/GeesatApplications.png" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-1430971901069090920</id><published>2024-06-04T14:16:00.012-07:00</published><updated>2026-04-27T13:49:58.325-07:00</updated><title type="text">Two New Chinese Internet Service Constellations and Their Market</title><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEisaA8WhAxblipo-Isc6nF2R8hwl6hgm0sjOPDLcazulEx-Z1EAoRrCAbgk3jDjK1iWYuuXUjfuKH2cxBxhCwCRqrhBHePL5K4eFj-VnIw3G79-4wGpDkFV8ti2BSYoxNwgvj8eZnt4FLf5f7XB6YG0lHe9b1GsFFdG9dKE9pMa-wZyCsymUprhQg/s1412/SandTInnovationCorridor2.png" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="863" data-original-width="1412" height="392" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEisaA8WhAxblipo-Isc6nF2R8hwl6hgm0sjOPDLcazulEx-Z1EAoRrCAbgk3jDjK1iWYuuXUjfuKH2cxBxhCwCRqrhBHePL5K4eFj-VnIw3G79-4wGpDkFV8ti2BSYoxNwgvj8eZnt4FLf5f7XB6YG0lHe9b1GsFFdG9dKE9pMa-wZyCsymUprhQg/w640-h392/SandTInnovationCorridor2.png" width="640" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;China's G60 Science and Technology Innovation Corridor, the home of two new Internet-service mega-constellations&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Chinese plans for low-Earth orbit Internet service constellations began with two projects,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2019/06/hongyun-project-chinas-low-earth-orbit.html"&gt;Hongyun&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; (156 satellites) and&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2020/01/china-will-be-formidable-satellite.html"&gt;Hongyan&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;(864 satellites). These were eventually sidelined for&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2020/10/a-new-chinese-broadband-satellite.html"&gt;Guowang&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;nbsp;an ambitious, 12,992 satellite constellation that is expected to begin launching satellites this year. But, that is old news.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;China's five-year plan &lt;a href="https://spacewatch.global/2021/03/spacewatchgl-column-dongfang-hour-china-aerospace-news-roundup-8-14-march-2021"&gt;designates satellite Internet as a strategic emerging&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="https://spacewatch.global/2021/03/spacewatchgl-column-dongfang-hour-china-aerospace-news-roundup-8-14-march-2021"&gt;&amp;nbsp;industry&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;and two new constellations have emerged, G60 (12,000 satellites) and Honghu-3 (10,000 satellites).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Shanghai Spacecom Satellite Technology (SSST), aka&amp;nbsp;Yuanxin Satellite, located in Shanghai's Songjiang district, &lt;a href="https://m.21jingji.com/article/20240203/b99aac127426362df5598aabfae8910b_zaker.html"&gt;was founded in 2018&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;and launched two test satellites in 2019. SSST recently &lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/shanghai-firm-behind-g60-megaconstellation-raises-943-million/"&gt;raised 6.7 billion yuan ($943 million)&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;from several sources for its 12,000-satellite G60 (aka Qianfan) low Earth orbit (LEO) Internet service constellation. (Also see&amp;nbsp;this excellent&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfunZdm14IE"&gt;context video&lt;/a&gt;).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Their first phase constellation, called Spacesail,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.itu.int/ITU-R/space/asreceived/Publication/DisplayPublication/49732"&gt;will consist of 1,296 satellites&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;a href="https://finance.eastmoney.com/a/202405183080599651.html"&gt;Regional service&lt;/a&gt; will be provided by 648 satellites by the end of 2025, and global service will be provided by 648 additional satellites by the end of 2027. By 2030, they hope to have 15,000 satellites in orbit and offer direct-to-mobile service. Shanghai Gesi Aerospace has&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/first-satellite-for-chinese-g60-megaconstellation-rolls-off-assembly-line/"&gt;begun production of the G60 satellites&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;and expects to produce 300/year. (&lt;a href="https://www.jfdaily.com/sgh/detail?id=1217546"&gt;Also see&lt;/a&gt;). I've not heard any news about Guowang lately -- it feels like G60 has taken the lead. (&lt;a href="https://spaceref.com/newspace-and-tech/g60-china-planning-ngso/"&gt;Also see&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The satellites will orbit at 1,160 km, which is higher than all the other announced LEO satellite competitors except Telesat. While this will increase latency, collision risk, satellite lifespan, handoff frequency, and coverage footprint should improve.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Like SSST, Shanghai Landspace Hongqing Technology Co, Ltd. (aka Hongqing Technology) is located in the Songjian District and is planning a&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://tlpnetwork.com/news/asia/china-firm-files-plans-for-10000-satellite-constellation"&gt;third Internet service constellation&lt;/a&gt;. The&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.itu.int/ITU-R/space/asreceived/Publication/DisplayPublication/56565"&gt;May 24th ITU filing&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;lists the satellite name as "HONGHU-3," but specifies a constellation of 10,000 satellites in 160 orbital planes. Since they have launched two satellites previously, the constellation may simply be called "Honghu." They are constructing a satellite manufacturing facility in Wuxi City near Shanghai. The Chinese launch company Landspace owns 48%, so, like SpaceX, they may launch their own satellites.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;It is not a coincidence that both Honghu and G60 are being developed in the&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.shine.cn/feature/district/2307119874/"&gt;G60 Science and Technology Innovation Corridor&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;between Highway G60 and a high-speed railway line in the Yangtze River Delta (&lt;a href="https://www.stcn.com/article/detail/1214566.html"&gt;Also see&lt;/a&gt;). Local governments play a major role in funding and developing Chinese industry. Shanghai&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.shanghai.gov.cn/nw12344/20231120/5e53f1fe1b1543f38a49153eb563cfbb.html"&gt;has published&lt;/a&gt; "The Shanghai Action Plan to Promote Commercial Space Development and Create a Space Information Industry Highland (2023-2025)".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Can China support three Internet service constellations?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjHNuMNQEJraFPDI6pNwbX0NMbbZwT6mj0KyanCJpQJsZaXuTmbO8mOjK4rFxTuIUI5QG9MzUrL0jEyiyabrjFx88e4i-Z26xXnQG9Zhn6vuA85Z4ZpXbBIuj-SmVAGu2zUf_D3W6TTif6HqcnASlZwgQnpd7fNr-YNRgnteNoucerGn9dSoBIiFw/s2877/Starships2and3.png" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="1850" data-original-width="2877" height="206" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjHNuMNQEJraFPDI6pNwbX0NMbbZwT6mj0KyanCJpQJsZaXuTmbO8mOjK4rFxTuIUI5QG9MzUrL0jEyiyabrjFx88e4i-Z26xXnQG9Zhn6vuA85Z4ZpXbBIuj-SmVAGu2zUf_D3W6TTif6HqcnASlZwgQnpd7fNr-YNRgnteNoucerGn9dSoBIiFw/s320/Starships2and3.png" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;Planned Starships (&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGXZKUSYxgc"&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;These companies are commonly touted as China's answer to Starlink, but &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/02/update-on-china-satnets-guowang.html"&gt;they are &lt;i&gt;far &lt;/i&gt;behind Starlink&lt;/a&gt; in launch cost and rate, rocket and engine manufacturing, international licensing, marketing, etc. The gap will widen when SpaceX's&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.spacex.com/vehicles/starship/"&gt;Starship&lt;/a&gt; is in production, increasing the ability to launch &lt;a href="https://spaceflightnow.com/2023/02/26/spacex-unveils-first-batch-of-larger-upgraded-starlink-satellites/#:~:text=The%20Starlink%20V2%20satellites%20will,E%2Dband%20for%20backhaul%20capacity."&gt;full and mini v2 satellites&lt;/a&gt; and whatever comes after that.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;However, the success of these companies will not depend solely on catching or competing with Starlink because of global politics. The Chinese companies will not compete with Starlink or any of its Western competitors for Chinese government and military business. (The Ukraine war has demonstrated both the &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/03/spacex-starlink-in-ukraine-week-later.html"&gt;military value of satellite Internet&lt;/a&gt; and the drawback of &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2023/04/china-and-taiwan-recognize-starlinks.html"&gt;being dependent on a private company&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Starlink will not offer service in countries like China, Russia, Cuba, North Korea, or Iran. Similarly, the Chinese companies will be prohibited from operating in countries like the US and European nations, which currently&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.reuters.com/technology/european-countries-who-put-curbs-huawei-5g-equipment-2023-09-28/"&gt;ban or restrict Huawei equipment&lt;/a&gt;. Whether motivated by a desire to encourage domestic industry, promote security, or achieve and maintain technological self-reliance, market separation is increasing,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right; margin-left: 1em; text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjbfqhyYPm4AxzY3HA2Ry4CBGDZvdyS0pCZ-9OWwiD6kqRz3N0TFR_evFFf5d4eKOPY6WvEUPkIpONaq7xBy84YRwzPuK4Jzkz3riCAXp_7OAi5VIjgQ8ti2H33cWCeP5KiOKEwm_5glBd1cjeqEKnwOqo-SDdGaP6bn5sBaB7O4vzz0eM8HSUGlw/s2048/2048px-Belt_and_Road_Initiative_participant_map.svg" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="1040" data-original-width="2048" height="163" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjbfqhyYPm4AxzY3HA2Ry4CBGDZvdyS0pCZ-9OWwiD6kqRz3N0TFR_evFFf5d4eKOPY6WvEUPkIpONaq7xBy84YRwzPuK4Jzkz3riCAXp_7OAi5VIjgQ8ti2H33cWCeP5KiOKEwm_5glBd1cjeqEKnwOqo-SDdGaP6bn5sBaB7O4vzz0eM8HSUGlw/s320/2048px-Belt_and_Road_Initiative_participant_map.svg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;Belt and Road participant nations (&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative#"&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;However, there are many nations where these Chinese companies will compete with Starlink and its Western competitors. The Chinese companies will have an advantage in nations participating in the &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belt_and_Road_Initiative#"&gt;Belt and Road Initiative&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;--&amp;nbsp;home to &lt;a href="https://chatgpt.com/c/bc1a3993-a9fe-4fdd-acc2-420390db3372"&gt;about 70% of the world population and 40% of global GDP&lt;/a&gt;. The Chinese advantage is even greater in the 26 &lt;a href="https://www.cfr.org/china-digital-silk-road/"&gt;Digital Silk Road nations&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 6/27/2024&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;China &lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/china-to-launch-first-satellites-for-megaconstellation-in-august/"&gt;is expected to launch the first 18 G60 satellites in early August&lt;/a&gt;. The launch vehicle was not specified, but "the Long March 6A would be the most capable option from Taiyuan in terms of capacity to low Earth orbit and payload fairing."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The Long March 6A &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_March_6A"&gt;has a carrying capacity to orbit of 4,500 kg&lt;/a&gt;, which could accommodate 18 250 kg satellites, around the mass of the first-generation SpaceX Starlink satellites, but significantly less than the V2-mini satellites Starlink is currently launching. SpaceX is currently testing its forthcoming Starship rocket, which will launch full V2 satellites.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;While China lags far behind SpaceX, &lt;a href="https://chinaspacemonitor.substack.com/p/the-dark-horse-for-building-chinas"&gt;G60 seems to be moving faster than Honghu and Gwowang&lt;/a&gt; and will launch satellites sooner than &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/01/amazon-project-kuiper-vs-spacex-starlink.html"&gt;Project Kuiper&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2023/09/will-telesat-survive.html"&gt;Telesat&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 8/5/2024&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div class="css-146c3p1 r-8akbws r-krxsd3 r-dnmrzs r-1udh08x r-bcqeeo r-1ttztb7 r-qvutc0 r-37j5jr r-a023e6 r-rjixqe r-16dba41 r-bnwqim" data-testid="tweetText" dir="auto" id="id__08ygzj3g5wuo" lang="en" style="-webkit-box-orient: vertical; -webkit-line-clamp: 10; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.03); border: 0px solid black; box-sizing: border-box; color: #0f1419; display: -webkit-box; font-family: TwitterChirp, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &amp;quot;Segoe UI&amp;quot;, Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-size-adjust: none; font-size: 15px; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: 20px; list-style: none; margin: 0px; max-width: 100%; min-width: 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; overflow: hidden; padding: 0px; position: relative; text-overflow: unset; white-space-collapse: preserve;"&gt;&lt;span class="css-1jxf684 r-bcqeeo r-1ttztb7 r-qvutc0 r-poiln3" color="inherit" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border: 0px solid black; box-sizing: border-box; display: inline; font: inherit; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-width: 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; padding: 0px; position: relative; text-align: inherit; text-overflow: unset; white-space: inherit;"&gt;China has&lt;a href="https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3273446/china-begins-work-setting-vast-network-internet-satellites?campaign=3273446&amp;amp;module=perpetual_scroll_0&amp;amp;pgtype=article"&gt; launched the first 18 Qianfan (aka G60) Internet service satellites&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a class="css-1jxf684 r-bcqeeo r-1ttztb7 r-qvutc0 r-poiln3 r-1loqt21" dir="ltr" href="https://t.co/lRSzEAnOZH" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow" role="link" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border: 0px solid black; box-sizing: border-box; color: #1d9bf0; cursor: pointer; display: inline; font: inherit; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-width: 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; padding: 0px; position: relative; text-align: inherit; text-decoration-line: none; text-overflow: unset; white-space: inherit;" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="css-146c3p1 r-8akbws r-krxsd3 r-dnmrzs r-1udh08x r-bcqeeo r-1ttztb7 r-qvutc0 r-37j5jr r-a023e6 r-rjixqe r-16dba41 r-bnwqim" data-testid="tweetText" dir="auto" id="id__08ygzj3g5wuo" lang="en" style="-webkit-box-orient: vertical; -webkit-line-clamp: 10; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.03); border: 0px solid black; box-sizing: border-box; color: #0f1419; display: -webkit-box; font-family: TwitterChirp, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &amp;quot;Segoe UI&amp;quot;, Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-size-adjust: none; font-size: 15px; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: 20px; list-style: none; margin: 0px; max-width: 100%; min-width: 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; overflow: hidden; padding: 0px; position: relative; text-overflow: unset; white-space-collapse: preserve;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="css-146c3p1 r-8akbws r-krxsd3 r-dnmrzs r-1udh08x r-bcqeeo r-1ttztb7 r-qvutc0 r-37j5jr r-a023e6 r-rjixqe r-16dba41 r-bnwqim" data-testid="tweetText" dir="auto" id="id__08ygzj3g5wuo" lang="en" style="-webkit-box-orient: vertical; -webkit-line-clamp: 10; background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.03); border: 0px solid black; box-sizing: border-box; color: #0f1419; display: -webkit-box; font-family: TwitterChirp, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &amp;quot;Segoe UI&amp;quot;, Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-size-adjust: none; font-size: 15px; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: 20px; list-style: none; margin: 0px; max-width: 100%; min-width: 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; overflow: hidden; padding: 0px; position: relative; text-overflow: unset; white-space-collapse: preserve;"&gt;&lt;span class="css-1jxf684 r-bcqeeo r-1ttztb7 r-qvutc0 r-poiln3" color="inherit" style="background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); border: 0px solid black; box-sizing: border-box; display: inline; font: inherit; list-style: none; margin: 0px; min-width: 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word; padding: 0px; position: relative; text-align: inherit; text-overflow: unset; white-space: inherit;"&gt;The satellites launched were produced by Shanghai Gesi Aerospace Technology (Genesat) in Shanghai and In an interview with the Shanghai Securities News in June, an executive from GeneSat revealed plans to “explore launching configurations of 36 and 54 satellites per rocket to accelerate the pace of launches”.
&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;What launch vehicles are they considering? Non-Chinese perhaps?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 8/29/2024&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjZ3T7lHl8Yel2NHWE3_YyuLH5ZfZv9QiX5dlgCPIEgdBHwIKKcCBvnkmru_GE7r009iRM8gbEUh6BCW_bxOPx05qR4iAIj4E5UBM7F2GqXGrAz1Njrl0lLzRiu-KB7vTLFPXu5d8e9AXFSMeBkE-OXBMJKIdbCYKm3lZp7U_B7AieWUowFqlv6zw/s800/GSTLSatFactory.webp" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="600" data-original-width="800" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjZ3T7lHl8Yel2NHWE3_YyuLH5ZfZv9QiX5dlgCPIEgdBHwIKKcCBvnkmru_GE7r009iRM8gbEUh6BCW_bxOPx05qR4iAIj4E5UBM7F2GqXGrAz1Njrl0lLzRiu-KB7vTLFPXu5d8e9AXFSMeBkE-OXBMJKIdbCYKm3lZp7U_B7AieWUowFqlv6zw/s320/GSTLSatFactory.webp" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;CGSTL satellite factory&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;Ace China space watcher Blaine Curcio has spotted a possible&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://chinaspacemonitor.substack.com/p/the-dark-horse-for-building-chinas"&gt;dark-horse Chinese communication satellite provider&lt;/a&gt;. CGSTL, China’s leading remote sensing satellite manufacturer, has built and launched ~100 satellites in 2 years and has been &lt;a href="https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/gETzC-K3uDz37-Js5AOahw"&gt;working on space-ground optical communication&lt;/a&gt; since 2022.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;CGSTL aims to have 1,200 employees and a manufacturing capacity of 1,000 satellites per year by the end of 2025. They plan to launch 28 remote-sensing satellites in 2025 and 100 in 2026. How will they use the 1,000 satellites per year manufacturing capacity? Will they launch their own communication satellite constellation or perhaps manufacture satellites for one of the service providers mentioned above? Something else?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 10/31/2024&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgsgVGENKS42qwp67DZ9cfYeimi904QdwbMl1UMAhvCc2Iz9n6GYymndH0bkmwMBoD-E3o1eEwSotvPJQt8W0gIuR_6RtOToMuKCdZ01CPLLM_eSvU74TKm5gLus0ZCtANacO940TfVG55c2OaSv_q5_ftplGfgI5IZc0O5L8zeGpbh8d4_fQ9_Fw/s931/SpaceSailLogo.png" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="931" data-original-width="778" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgsgVGENKS42qwp67DZ9cfYeimi904QdwbMl1UMAhvCc2Iz9n6GYymndH0bkmwMBoD-E3o1eEwSotvPJQt8W0gIuR_6RtOToMuKCdZ01CPLLM_eSvU74TKm5gLus0ZCtANacO940TfVG55c2OaSv_q5_ftplGfgI5IZc0O5L8zeGpbh8d4_fQ9_Fw/s320/SpaceSailLogo.png" width="267" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;The second &lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/china-launches-second-batch-of-18-satellites-for-thousand-sails-megaconstellation/"&gt;batch of 18 G60 satellites was launched into polar orbit&lt;/a&gt; on a Long March 6A rocket. (&lt;a href="https://outlook.office.com/mail/deeplink?exvsurl=1&amp;amp;ItemID=AAMkADliOGRmYmIxLTlkNDEtNDk1Ny04OWRiLWM2ODNmOTgxNThkMgBGAAAAAACXhFvCGWgEQL8m%2BJM%2BD319BwDEaod8VARrTIWsJ4a%2FU%2FzqAAAAkuLwAAAUQ0yJehLcS5MOVxHHW3weAAQkeE16AAA%3D"&gt;They plan to have 108 in orbit&lt;/a&gt; by the end of the year, 648 by 2025, 1,296 by 2027, and 15,000 by 2030.).&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/O7uWbOGviiTRQphfw0g75Q"&gt;This image&lt;/a&gt; shows workers racing to protect a Long March 8 fairing at Hainan commercial spaceport from an approaching typhoon. The lettering says "Spacesail," another name for the G60 constellation.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This is noteworthy because the&amp;nbsp;&lt;span style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://chatgpt.com/share/6723f321-88f8-8004-9eee-b0ee17391f92"&gt;Long March 8's carrying capacity&lt;/a&gt; is greater than that of the Long March 6A,&amp;nbsp;and Starlink's launch capacity and cadence &lt;a href="https://circleid.com/posts/20220203-update-on-china-satnets-guowang-broadband-constellation-can-they-do-it"&gt;are much greater than those of the Chinese&lt;/a&gt;. (While the Long March 8 is not reusable, several &lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/china-to-debut-large-reusable-rockets-in-2025-and-2026/"&gt;Chinese companies are working toward reusability&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;G60 and the Long March 6A have also had other problems. The upper stage of the rocket that carried the first 18 satellites to orbit broke up,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/chinese-rocket-stage-breaks-up-into-cloud-of-more-than-700-pieces-of-space-debris/"&gt;creating a cloud of roughly 700 pieces of debris&lt;/a&gt;, and astronomers are &lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/brightness-of-first-chinese-broadband-constellation-satellites-alarms-astronomers/"&gt;concerned by the brightness of the first 18 satellites&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 12/5/2024&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Thousand Sails constellation operator SpaceSail &lt;a href="https://chinaspacemonitor.substack.com/p/weekly-brain-droppings-17-23-november"&gt;has signed an MoU&lt;/a&gt; with Brazil's TELEBRAS for its Internet service starting in 2026. This is their first commercial agreement, and they &lt;a href="https://chinaspacemonitor.substack.com/p/weekly-brain-droppings-17-23-november"&gt;have initiated business negotiations&lt;/a&gt; with more than 30 countries. Brazil is one of the &lt;a href="https://www.cfr.org/councilofcouncils/global-memos/brics-summit-2024-expanding-alternative#:~:text=The%20sixteenth%20annual%20BRICS%20(whose,2024."&gt;nine BRICS countries&lt;/a&gt;, which are economically tied to China.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 12/9/2024&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh2bLpb-XAIa5EV16KMHU-ecsh9m6MeGSW8jk-ZOIJOSIMlW5fnVvZf0fAlNVqrAHusn5ulU_TQVxFmGJ29t69XTyvZ5d9jLoLYiC3hLTp90B2040JDBrvmnOyq7mx9kBcK5XArYOOqLZ32BFCVrwUX7mUd7b3t_lmRpBm6mTsm3tTlzd_gCGN-3A/s986/FthousalSailNatoons.png" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="326" data-original-width="986" height="106" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh2bLpb-XAIa5EV16KMHU-ecsh9m6MeGSW8jk-ZOIJOSIMlW5fnVvZf0fAlNVqrAHusn5ulU_TQVxFmGJ29t69XTyvZ5d9jLoLYiC3hLTp90B2040JDBrvmnOyq7mx9kBcK5XArYOOqLZ32BFCVrwUX7mUd7b3t_lmRpBm6mTsm3tTlzd_gCGN-3A/s320/FthousalSailNatoons.png" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://chinaspacemonitor.substack.com/p/scenes-from-zhuhai"&gt;Source&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;Eighteen Thousand Sails satellites, weighing about 267 kg, &lt;a href="https://www.newspace.im/constellations/g60-starlink"&gt;have been launched&lt;/a&gt;, bringing the constellation up to 54 satellites. While they have had problems with debris, no issues were reported with this launch.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The dark blue nations on this map are &lt;a href="https://chinaspacemonitor.substack.com/p/scenes-from-zhuhai"&gt;targeted for marketing&lt;/a&gt; in 2025, and the light blue for 2026. As reported above, they already have a memorandum of understanding with Brazil.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 1/8/2025&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span face="Segoe UI, Segoe UI Web (West European), -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif" style="color: #363737;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;In his&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://chinaspacemonitor.substack.com/p/china-space-in-2024-a-review?utm_campaign=email-post&amp;amp;r=asblv&amp;amp;utm_source=substack&amp;amp;utm_medium=emailhttps://chinaspacemonitor.substack.com/p/china-space-in-2024-a-review?utm_campaign=email-post&amp;amp;r=asblv&amp;amp;utm_source=substack&amp;amp;utm_medium=email"&gt;2024 Year in Review&lt;/a&gt;, Blaine Curcio reports&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #363737;"&gt;that Chinese "commercial space continues to grow by leaps and bounds, buffetted by government support and renewed investor interest in the sector" and as&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #363737;"&gt;major constellations like &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2020/03/the-geely-holding-group-ghg-is-private.html"&gt;GeeSpace&lt;/a&gt; and Thousand Sails pick up momentum they "create real demand for launchers, satellite systems manufacturers, and other suppliers."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="color: #363737;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="color: #363737;"&gt;The biggest 2024 funding round "by far" was for&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #363737;"&gt;Sailspace's Thousand Sails constellation. T&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #363737;"&gt;he&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #363737;"&gt;¥6.7B&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #363737;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;funding round mentioned above ended up being "the world’s largest" and, in December, Sailspace's manufacturer, Gensat,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #363737;"&gt;announced a ¥1B funding round to ramp up production. Curcio did not report the exact amount of GeeSpace financing. I queried four AI chatbots, and none knew of any 2024 financing -- Geely is probably able to fund satellite manufacturing and launch on its own.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 3/12/2025&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="color: #121212; font-family: Merriweather;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; font-size: 18px;"&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgOklev4ul7_JgeRQvF99EnUdZT84W-2KATZLQeSsO6o6-j859sHjUOD1ufvJ64ecDMNANmyYTt7tw7LJ9pG09zaP4msBeN8ERUQ3E7nhMVw9bQq0SjZraNcBOM20uJvhRqfXokg2_-I-QAhMT601gMMxi2ZX6EI5APwozKlb0eJVXCfPJo7eTxJg/s2999/QuianfanLaunch2.png" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="1687" data-original-width="2999" height="180" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgOklev4ul7_JgeRQvF99EnUdZT84W-2KATZLQeSsO6o6-j859sHjUOD1ufvJ64ecDMNANmyYTt7tw7LJ9pG09zaP4msBeN8ERUQ3E7nhMVw9bQq0SjZraNcBOM20uJvhRqfXokg2_-I-QAhMT601gMMxi2ZX6EI5APwozKlb0eJVXCfPJo7eTxJg/s320/QuianfanLaunch2.png" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;Long March 8 with 18 Quinfan satellites (&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo_AFIz5LF0&amp;amp;t=21s"&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;SpaceSail &lt;a href="https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202503/1329950.shtml "&gt;has launched 18 new satellites&lt;/a&gt;, bringing the Qianfan Constellation's total to 90 in orbit. They are in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: #121212; font-family: Merriweather; font-size: 18px;"&gt;near-Polar orbits ranging in altitude from 800 to 1,070 kilometers.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="color: #121212; font-family: Merriweather;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; font-size: 18px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="color: #121212; font-family: Merriweather;"&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; font-size: 18px;"&gt;The launch was at China's first commercial launch site, the&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 18px;"&gt;Hainan International Commercial Aerospace Launch Center.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: #121212; font-family: Merriweather; font-size: 18px;"&gt;This launch went smoothly, without the kinds of problems they have had in previous launches. It was also streamed on the Internet, and you can see a portion of the video and some still photos &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo_AFIz5LF0&amp;amp;t=21s"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: #121212; font-family: Merriweather; font-size: 18px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: #121212; font-family: Merriweather; font-size: 18px;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 6/9/2025&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: #121212; font-family: Merriweather; font-size: 18px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: #121212; font-family: Merriweather; font-size: 18px;"&gt;Thousand Sails manufacturer Genesat (aka CGSTL)&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://substack.com/home/post/p-160164928"&gt;plans to invest 1.2 billion yuan&lt;/a&gt; in its second factory project. It will have a pulsation production line capacity of 150 ton-level satellites per year or a batch production capacity of 300 satellites under 500 kg per year. Note that both are larger than the 267 kg first-generation satellites, and their production capacities are consistent with &lt;a href="https://www.newspace.im/constellations/g60-starlink"&gt;Blaine Curcio's mass estimates&lt;/a&gt; of 400-500 kg and 1.5 tons for the second and third generation satellites.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; font-size: 18px;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #121212; font-family: Merriweather;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; font-size: 18px;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: #121212; font-family: Merriweather;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 8/17/2025&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;It's been a year since the first Qianfan launch, but five months since the last one. Is the slowdown due to satellite or launch availability, or are they pausing for some redesign, or both? The upper stage of the first launch &lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/chinese-rocket-stage-breaks-up-into-cloud-of-more-than-700-pieces-of-space-debris/#:~:text=Posted%20inLaunch-,Chinese%20rocket%20stage%20breaks%20up%20into%20cloud%20of%20more%20than,to%20receive%20the%20first%20edition."&gt;fragmented&lt;/a&gt;, creating over 300 pieces of trackable debris. Ninety &lt;a href="https://planet4589.org/space/con/qf/stats.html"&gt;satellites are in orbit&lt;/a&gt;, but fourteen have not reached their operational altitude. Furthermore, the satellites are &lt;a href="https://spacenews.com/brightness-of-first-chinese-broadband-constellation-satellites-alarms-astronomers/"&gt;interfering with astronomy&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.07194"&gt;some are tumbling&lt;/a&gt;. Regardless of the cause for delays, Qianfan is unlikely to meet its ITU launch deadlines.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b style="background-color: white; color: #121212; font-family: Merriweather; font-size: 18px;"&gt;Update 4/27/2026&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b style="background-color: white; color: #121212; font-family: Merriweather; font-size: 18px;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white;"&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="color: #121212; font-family: Merriweather;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 18px;"&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjuazBgcmBXScKFvmdsflBEACsC-Rzzwr_nTkF-6TstCr3LHj61-SQXqNvi11IB49sUdwUv9MuNUjShLFUpR6KLn9AG18kxznlbzMWDbs8KBLTbTv9nrT-fbyjVqVp5rx7wOi5wfAJztkDJnePXbjUaL2tZq-y6p5ZGJMjx1Ns17qwU33Axnm3pyQ/s697/BRIvsStarlinkMarkets.png" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="571" data-original-width="697" height="262" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjuazBgcmBXScKFvmdsflBEACsC-Rzzwr_nTkF-6TstCr3LHj61-SQXqNvi11IB49sUdwUv9MuNUjShLFUpR6KLn9AG18kxznlbzMWDbs8KBLTbTv9nrT-fbyjVqVp5rx7wOi5wfAJztkDJnePXbjUaL2tZq-y6p5ZGJMjx1Ns17qwU33Axnm3pyQ/s320/BRIvsStarlinkMarkets.png" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;The potential markets for Western and Chinese connectivity differ, as shown in this Venn diagram, which shows the number and GDP of nations with Starlink connectivity, Chinese BRI projects, or both. The BRI projects tend to be in poorer nations, but there are more nations with BRI projects than with Starlink availability. The current &lt;a href="https://londondaily.com/tnrkrr-starlink-now-profitable-spacex-hits-major-milestone-with-11-8-billion-in-revenue"&gt;success of Starlink&lt;/a&gt; suggests that the market is large enough to support it and the Chinese constellations.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;clear-link-container&gt;&lt;/clear-link-container&gt;</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/1430971901069090920/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/06/two-new-chinese-internet-service.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/1430971901069090920" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/1430971901069090920" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/06/two-new-chinese-internet-service.html" rel="alternate" title="Two New Chinese Internet Service Constellations and Their Market" type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" height="72" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEisaA8WhAxblipo-Isc6nF2R8hwl6hgm0sjOPDLcazulEx-Z1EAoRrCAbgk3jDjK1iWYuuXUjfuKH2cxBxhCwCRqrhBHePL5K4eFj-VnIw3G79-4wGpDkFV8ti2BSYoxNwgvj8eZnt4FLf5f7XB6YG0lHe9b1GsFFdG9dKE9pMa-wZyCsymUprhQg/s72-w640-h392-c/SandTInnovationCorridor2.png" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-161198883687231802</id><published>2024-05-21T13:30:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2024-05-21T15:08:50.749-07:00</updated><title type="text">How to submit a "complaint of judicial misconduct" on Judge Cannon’s handling of Trump’s classified documents case</title><content type="html">&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 2pt; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"&gt;You must submit a simple form and a brief "statement of facts" supporting your complaint.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="line-height: 107%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 2pt; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="line-height: 107%;"&gt;The Form&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 2pt; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="line-height: 107%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="line-height: 107%;"&gt;Click&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.uscourts.gov/forms/other-forms/complaint-judicial-misconduct-or-disability"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;to download the editable submission form.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;The form asks six questions -- complete it with the answer shown in red below.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;Judicial Council of the &lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;Eleventh
&lt;/span&gt;Circuit&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Name of Judge: &lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;Aileen Cannon&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span&gt;Does this complaint concern the behavior of the
judge(s) in a particular lawsuit or lawsuits? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;Yes&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="line-height: 107%;"&gt;Court: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; line-height: 107%;"&gt;U. S. District Court for the District of Florida&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="line-height: 107%;"&gt;Case number:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: red; line-height: 107%;"&gt; 23-80101-CR-Cannon&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span&gt;Are (were) you a party or lawyer in the lawsuit? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;Neither&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;The form also requires your name, address, and phone number.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="line-height: 107%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 2pt; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="line-height: 107%;"&gt;The statement of
facts&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="line-height: 107%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 2pt; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;span style="line-height: 107%;"&gt;You should state the facts as you see them., but as an example, you can see the statement of facts I submitted &lt;a href="https://1drv.ms/w/s!AgJScijHH9oKiJR3dRc5iJ9TOAioXw?e=8HyWp6"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="line-height: 107%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 2pt; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;span style="line-height: 107%;"&gt;You can also use ChatGPT or other "AI" programs for ideas. For example, I asked ChatGPT to "give me reasons for filing a complaint of judicial misconduct in Judge Cannon's handling of the Trump documents trial." It generated&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://1drv.ms/w/s!AgJScijHH9oKiJcqHBd3raW46QOxGg?e=IOQX5V"&gt;this answer&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="line-height: 107%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 2pt; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;span style="line-height: 107%;"&gt;Mail the form and statement of facts&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;span style="line-height: 107%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 2pt; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium; line-height: 107%;"&gt;Print the submission form and your statement and mail them in an envelope marked "COMPLAINT OF MISCONDUCT" to:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 2pt; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;span style="line-height: 107%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Office of the Clerk&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Elbert P. Tuttle courthouse&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;56 Forsyth Street N.W,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;Atlanta, GA 30303&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 2pt; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 2pt; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium;"&gt;(Do not put the judge's name on the envelope).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="line-height: 107%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 2pt; text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit; font-size: medium; line-height: 107%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;For a talk on why you should do this, see this&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MXVfiTa3KM&amp;amp;t=1s"&gt;presentation by Glen Kirshner&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

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&lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 2pt;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/161198883687231802/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/05/how-to-submit-complaint-of-judicial.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/161198883687231802" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/161198883687231802" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/05/how-to-submit-complaint-of-judicial.html" rel="alternate" title="How to submit a &quot;complaint of judicial misconduct&quot; on Judge Cannon’s handling of Trump’s classified documents case" type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-6452747181529637054</id><published>2024-04-26T17:14:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2024-04-30T16:13:48.872-07:00</updated><title type="text"> Starlink service is great on (some) cruise ships.</title><content type="html">&lt;table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhq_FklXT9eZozFXfq9ofXgpx2bStgVVhbOXcQueXO0vsUhVZR1h9laP1w9Q1LcrjOn-0ev3-h3KoS8XzHFPTSYxRur17mwnHnkmVlUdWR5IyCj1JUxGFeds3I2vEo4-osthdQkUBMpKcdBvO92AwqJzGm1MGTsjtnCYqesxb1cQhOExMsOk4XH7g/s4032/StarlinAntennas.jpg" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="1797" data-original-width="4032" height="286" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhq_FklXT9eZozFXfq9ofXgpx2bStgVVhbOXcQueXO0vsUhVZR1h9laP1w9Q1LcrjOn-0ev3-h3KoS8XzHFPTSYxRur17mwnHnkmVlUdWR5IyCj1JUxGFeds3I2vEo4-osthdQkUBMpKcdBvO92AwqJzGm1MGTsjtnCYqesxb1cQhOExMsOk4XH7g/w640-h286/StarlinAntennas.jpg" width="640" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;The Seabourn Venture has six Starlink terminals with three antennas on each side of the top deck.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;p&gt;I recently used Starlink on a cruise along the coast of Northwest Africa and I'll summarize my experience below, but first let me explain why I put &lt;i&gt;some &lt;/i&gt;in the title of this post. I posted the following request on the Reddit Cruise group: "&lt;span face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, &amp;quot;Segoe UI&amp;quot;, Roboto, &amp;quot;Helvetica Neue&amp;quot;, Arial, &amp;quot;Apple Color Emoji&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Segoe UI Emoji&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Segoe UI Symbol&amp;quot;, sans-serif" style="background-color: #fafafb; color: #32363b; font-size: 14px;"&gt;What has been your experience of Starlink Internet service on Seabourn or other cruise lines? How was latency? Do video chats work smoothly? Games? etc." Here are some of the replies:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul style="text-align: left;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, sans-serif" style="color: #32363b;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;It was amazing. Streamed video on two devices at once, I was able to log in through my VPN and work remotely across the world, and WiFi calling was seamless. I had no idea cruise Internet could be that great.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, sans-serif" style="color: #32363b;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;The Internet was great, even in Antarctica.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, sans-serif" style="color: #32363b;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;It was FAST.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, sans-serif" style="color: #32363b;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;Zoom was fine. WhatsApp calls crystal clear too.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, sans-serif" style="color: #32363b;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;Latency was a bit high for something like live multiplayer gaming, but good enough for video chats or video streaming.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, sans-serif" style="color: #32363b;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;Very good mb/s. Variable latency.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, sans-serif" style="color: #32363b;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;It's usually still on the slower side of things.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, sans-serif" style="color: #32363b;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;It's better than without Starlink, but still pretty terrible.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, sans-serif" style="color: #32363b;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;It still Sucks.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Helvetica Neue, Arial, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, sans-serif" style="color: #32363b;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 14px;"&gt;It's slow hot garbage.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div&gt;My experience was positive. I was on the Seabourn Venture for a two-week cruise which went as far south as The Gambia in northwest Africa then followed the coast north to the Mediterranean finally stopping in&amp;nbsp;Málaga, Spain.&amp;nbsp; The ship had six Starlink antennas and two geostationary (GEO) satellite antennas. The GEO satellites were used for ship navigation, weather tracking, etc. The crew on the bridge said their work was not affected by Starlink.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Seabourn offers two Internet packages,&amp;nbsp;&lt;i&gt;surfing &lt;/i&gt;and &lt;i&gt;streaming&lt;/i&gt;. The surfing package is free for passengers and the faster streaming package is free for the crew. Passengers pay about $20 per day for the streaming package. As the name implies, streaming sites like YouTube and Netflix were blocked for surfing accounts.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;According to the ship's Computer Systems Officer (CSO), streaming users always had Starlink access and surfing passengers used the GEO satellites unless there was excess Starlink capacity. He could not say what the criteria for excess capacity were, but their goal is to always keep the streaming customers happy. (Company policy prohibits crew members from playing games).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;My Starlink experience was positive. I tested streaming in my cabin by watching four Netflix videos simultaneously on Android and Apple phones, an iPad, and a laptop. The screens were small and Netflix would have reduced video quality, but it worked smoothly. Video chats using WhatsApp and Zoom also worked well despite latency being consistently over 100 ms unloaded and considerably higher while up and downloading files.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Latency on the ship was much higher than &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/03/starlink-has-begun-delivering-promised.html"&gt;Elon Musk's stated goal of 20 ms&lt;/a&gt; -- what are the sources of that latency?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;First is the WiFi network configuration and your location within the ship. Demand also varies during the day and between port and sea days. The size of the ship and the provisioned Starlink capacity are also factors in determining latency.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Carnival Corporation owns Seabourn and 8 other cruise lines. I was on Carnival's smallest ship, which has six Starlink terminals and can accommodate up to 264 passengers with a crew of 120. Carnival's largest ship, the Mardi Gras, can accommodate approximately 6,500&amp;nbsp; passengers with approximately 1,745 crew members. I wonder how many Starlink terminals the Mardi Gras has and how satisfied the users are. (I got these passenger and crew counts from ChatGPT-4, but it doesn't know how many terminals the Mardi Gras has).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Since &lt;a href="https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?hl=en&amp;amp;ll=0.885238740455122%2C0&amp;amp;z=3&amp;amp;mid=1805q6rlePY4WZd8QMOaNe2BqAgFkYBY"&gt;the only ground stations in Africa are in Nigeria&lt;/a&gt;, our traffic traversed inter-satellite links for most of the trip. Once on the ground, traffic was tunneled through the Carnival VPN to a public Internet point of presence (POP) in an English-speaking location like London, Sydney, or Miami.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;When Starlink was first installed, traffic sometimes went through Hong Kong and users got Chinese replies. The POP location can also affect copyright restrictions. When &lt;i&gt;Max.com&lt;/i&gt; became unavailable during the cruise, the CSO explained that they had been switching back and forth between the London and Miami POPs for maintenance purposes and that &lt;i&gt;Max.com&lt;/i&gt; was not available in the UK.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This complexity explains the varied results I reported at the start of this post and no doubt Carnival and other cruise lines monitor and tune their networks constantly. If they are doing well they should advertise performance statistics and customer-satisfaction survey results.&lt;/div&gt;</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/6452747181529637054/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/04/starlink-service-is-great-on-some.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/6452747181529637054" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/6452747181529637054" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/04/starlink-service-is-great-on-some.html" rel="alternate" title=" Starlink service is great on (some) cruise ships." type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" height="72" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhq_FklXT9eZozFXfq9ofXgpx2bStgVVhbOXcQueXO0vsUhVZR1h9laP1w9Q1LcrjOn-0ev3-h3KoS8XzHFPTSYxRur17mwnHnkmVlUdWR5IyCj1JUxGFeds3I2vEo4-osthdQkUBMpKcdBvO92AwqJzGm1MGTsjtnCYqesxb1cQhOExMsOk4XH7g/s72-w640-h286-c/StarlinAntennas.jpg" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-7032831500228783882</id><published>2024-03-11T09:40:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2024-03-11T09:43:20.447-07:00</updated><title type="text">Starlink has begun delivering promised latency cuts</title><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="gs" style="background-color: white; margin: 0px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 20px; width: initial;"&gt;&lt;div class="gs" style="margin: 0px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 20px; width: initial;"&gt;&lt;p&gt;In his January 12th&amp;nbsp; SpaceX update, Elon Musk said the biggest goal for Starlink from a technical standpoint&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xLmBLWDSHo&amp;amp;t=1750s"&gt;is to get the mean latency below 20 ms&lt;/a&gt;. He expanded by saying that given the speed of light, 8 ms is the absolute minimum latency for a satellite at 550 km. He believes they can optimize terrestrial and inter-satellite links, and minimize queueing delays and dropped packets, to recude the the rest of the time to below 10 ms. He predicted that eventually"Starlink will be more responsive than ground Intenet in most cases."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjX2UWM5ylzrAleKR2_C8WW6KVjT4kzwEKj8FinOQxOeGTEuv803nfJ-pygjsomM9MmB8VNLVmuRAkRG1WP50D7k2Gbd7jy2fd6kohQZ0t3CN7V-U4z0KaPWiGmK3jykB0qMg8pfrGLqw6QFtux8qPUx6frhfafRN51C3GqbKAM9TVi5OGKBz1RxQ/s1076/OlegTestRev3.png" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="632" data-original-width="1076" height="188" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjX2UWM5ylzrAleKR2_C8WW6KVjT4kzwEKj8FinOQxOeGTEuv803nfJ-pygjsomM9MmB8VNLVmuRAkRG1WP50D7k2Gbd7jy2fd6kohQZ0t3CN7V-U4z0KaPWiGmK3jykB0qMg8pfrGLqw6QFtux8qPUx6frhfafRN51C3GqbKAM9TVi5OGKBz1RxQ/s320/OlegTestRev3.png" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;A month later, we saw early results of the latency-reduction effort. On February 12, Oleg Kutkov &lt;a href="https://olegkutkov.me/2024/02/12/starlink-terminal-revision-4-overview-and-tests/"&gt;tested Starlink's Rev 3 and Rev 4 terminals&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;and, as shown here, he found no latency inflation as background upload and download speeds increased simultaneously when using the Rev 3 terminal. He compared the Rev 3 and 4 terminals and found that Rev 4 upload and download speeds were about 50% faster than Rev3. Average ping times were somewhat improved for Rev 4 (88 vs 93 ms), but jitter was significantly lower (9.2 vs 111.9 ms).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="gs" style="margin: 0px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 20px; width: initial;"&gt;You should also check out&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0Tmvv5jJKs&amp;amp;t=2045s"&gt;Dave Taht's take on Oleg's results&lt;/a&gt;. He concedes that Starlink has improved dramatically, and outlines steps they could take to further reduce latency.&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Last week, SpaceX released &lt;a href="https://api.starlink.com/public-files/StarlinkLatency.pdf"&gt;news of progress toward the 20 ms latency goal&lt;/a&gt;. They have worked to reduce latency throughout the Starlink system. Since the begining of the year, they have deployed and tested 193 different satellite software builds, 75 gateway software builds, 222 Starlink software builds, and 57 WiFi software builds.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjd8-XPsoQRJQKmcK2hb6fiApLFr8AB0AYwAoj-AZ8sep_AxHscuG1TYQWsf5vubKzts3K2HAHRACGls1i1tF9azU4hqH1W9uwCsi8aiG61obXjOd6kWZ69Xi4N_1u0jH13AwxuSTDfMRaLolN1MKYRkTA4JgbS7VnUryAPicjEVgjA4Eu61CBeNA/s1679/StarlinkLatencyMap.png" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="1133" data-original-width="1679" height="216" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjd8-XPsoQRJQKmcK2hb6fiApLFr8AB0AYwAoj-AZ8sep_AxHscuG1TYQWsf5vubKzts3K2HAHRACGls1i1tF9azU4hqH1W9uwCsi8aiG61obXjOd6kWZ69Xi4N_1u0jH13AwxuSTDfMRaLolN1MKYRkTA4JgbS7VnUryAPicjEVgjA4Eu61CBeNA/s320/StarlinkLatencyMap.png" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;This is the latency view of the interactive map.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;For a month preceding March 7, SpaceX collected data every 15 seconds from millions of Starlink routers. In analyzing the data, they defined worst-case latency is the point at which 99% of times are shorter and peak hours as 6-9 PM local time.&amp;nbsp;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In the United States, they found that median latency was reduced by more than 30%, from 48.5ms to 33ms during peak usage hours, and worst-case peak hour latency had dropped by over 60%, from over 150ms to less than 65ms. Outside the United States median latency was reduced by up to 25% and worst-case latencies by up to 35%. &lt;a href="https://www.starlink.com/map?view=latency"&gt;The map shown here&lt;/a&gt; is interactive and shows availability and upload and download speeds in addition to latency.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="gs" style="margin: 0px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 20px; width: initial;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://api.starlink.com/public-files/StarlinkLatency.pdf"&gt;SpaceX says&lt;/a&gt; it has “tuned our algorithms to prefer paths with lower latency, no matter how small the difference, and to remove any and all sources of unnecessary and non-physical latency." Dave Taht and his colleagues at&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;span face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" style="color: #222222; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://libreqos.io/"&gt;LibreQoS&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;might disagree, but latency will improve over time regardless.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="gs" style="margin: 0px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 20px; width: initial;"&gt;&lt;div class="gs" style="margin: 0px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 20px; width: initial;"&gt;Latency will improve as SpaceX launches more satellites with more capacity and inter-satellite laser links and the launch rate will increase when Starship becomes available. Adding ground stations will also improve latency.&amp;nbsp; (Note that the only African light-colored areas in the above latency map are within reach of&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=4.340532163536529%2C10.12350431805357&amp;amp;z=6&amp;amp;mid=1805q6rlePY4WZd8QMOaNe2BqAgFkYBY"&gt;the only ground stations on the continent&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="gs" style="margin: 0px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 20px; width: initial;"&gt;I hope Musk achieves the 20 ms goal for Starlink. Doing so would not only benefit Starlink customers, it would call the attention of the &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2023/12/its-latency-fcc.html"&gt;FCC and terrestrial Internet service providers&lt;/a&gt; to the importance of latency as a performance and marketing metric.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/feeds/7032831500228783882/comments/default" rel="replies" title="Post Comments" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/03/starlink-has-begun-delivering-promised.html#comment-form" rel="replies" title="0 Comments" type="text/html"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/7032831500228783882" rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/18164409/posts/default/7032831500228783882" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml"/><link href="http://cis471.blogspot.com/2024/03/starlink-has-begun-delivering-promised.html" rel="alternate" title="Starlink has begun delivering promised latency cuts" type="text/html"/><author><name>Larry Press</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14903269871983592883</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image height="32" rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" src="//blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgfxNieDDHWTkpBMHqdiEWMab9psSPnCkassK5nJuoSQi9iZ4FkF69TnvAUKIvmqwdHun7wpsoiWnAAznig78TMz6wmekSr8hotdIISu2b5nU-TLivy4Y6-C9_DOmHvSQ/s113/lpsquare.jpg" width="32"/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" height="72" url="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjX2UWM5ylzrAleKR2_C8WW6KVjT4kzwEKj8FinOQxOeGTEuv803nfJ-pygjsomM9MmB8VNLVmuRAkRG1WP50D7k2Gbd7jy2fd6kohQZ0t3CN7V-U4z0KaPWiGmK3jykB0qMg8pfrGLqw6QFtux8qPUx6frhfafRN51C3GqbKAM9TVi5OGKBz1RxQ/s72-c/OlegTestRev3.png" width="72"/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18164409.post-2547205712111962340</id><published>2024-02-22T14:22:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2025-02-06T14:18:10.460-08:00</updated><title type="text">Civilian Tech Mobilization in Ukraine</title><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhjy1PIl1f21JacwKzdzBVN55CV7q55GRhuL-d6z1A8CXtDOWIn-uX2E352mRbgdazZ8oisnLvZrlncHTb2URhxLioTDcIAJ3hQDASCI75Lzn2SrzJYfsXem-8PcQK7sb-OWK80AkGLESGMveTrzEs74jnBLoFgrBvnAxz5yOYQD-kW0kYNMRvT0w" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img alt="" data-original-height="320" data-original-width="248" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEhjy1PIl1f21JacwKzdzBVN55CV7q55GRhuL-d6z1A8CXtDOWIn-uX2E352mRbgdazZ8oisnLvZrlncHTb2URhxLioTDcIAJ3hQDASCI75Lzn2SrzJYfsXem-8PcQK7sb-OWK80AkGLESGMveTrzEs74jnBLoFgrBvnAxz5yOYQD-kW0kYNMRvT0w=w310-h400" width="310" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;Rosie the Riveter, US World War II poster (&lt;a href="https://www.loc.gov/item/2021669753"&gt;source&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;div&gt;As was the case in the US during World War II, civilian volunteers are making important contributions to the Ukrainian war effort.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;On February 8, 2022, the first truck load load of Starlink terminals &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/03/spacex-starlink-service-in-ukraine.html"&gt;arrived in Kyiv&lt;/a&gt;. A week later &lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/03/spacex-starlink-in-ukraine-week-later.html"&gt;they were being used&lt;/a&gt;. By April 2022,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://cis471.blogspot.com/2022/04/the-unprecedented-role-of-internet-in.html"&gt;there were 5,000 terminals&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;in Ukraine, and&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.ukrinform.ua/rubric-technology/3700941-mihajlo-fedorov-vicepremerministr-z-innovacij-rozvitku-osviti-nauki-ta-tehnologij-ministr-cifrovoi-transformacii.html#:~:text=%2D%20Everything%20works%20stably,them%20for%20this!https://www"&gt;42,000&lt;/a&gt; as of April 2023. (At this point, SpaceX and Ukraine have gone silent. Neither ChatGPT4, Gemini, Copilot, Perplexity, nor I could not find a current terminal count).&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Whatever the number of terminals in the country, they require support. They were purchased, delivered, and set up. Users were trained and they require real-time access for troubleshooting and assistance. Broken terminals have to be repaired and some terminals have been modified. Civilian tech volunteers are doing much of this work.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;There are several Starlink support centers throughout Ukraine. For obvious reasons, they are secretive about their work, but one large one is&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://nebogray.com/"&gt;Nebogray&lt;/a&gt; in Lviv. Neborgray has repaired 5,976 Starlink terminals and converted 516 for portable use mounted on vehicle roofs. In addition to the service centers, there are many individual craftsmen and small services throughout the country.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The work at Nebogry is performed by highly qualified volunteers. For example, &lt;a href="https://www.facebook.com/olegkutkov.me"&gt;Oleg Kutkov&lt;/a&gt;. is a senior engineer at &lt;a href="https://www.facebook.com/UIeverywhere"&gt;Ubiquiti&lt;/a&gt;, and he devotes his spare time to Starlink research. He bought what may have been the first Starlink terminal in Ukraine on eBay before the war and does teardowns and research studies like this recent&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://olegkutkov.me/2024/02/12/starlink-terminal-revision-4-overview-and-tests/"&gt;unboxing and review of the Version 4 Starlink terminal&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;on his blog. Oleg is an active participant in the &lt;a href="https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink"&gt;Starlink mailing list&lt;/a&gt; and the 15,700-member &lt;a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/starlinkforukraine"&gt;People's Starlink Facebook group&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Facebook group was created by &lt;a href="https://www.thesign.media/blog/was-starlink-hacked-in-ukraine-interview-with-volodymyr-stepanets-founder-of-the-initiative-narodnyi-starlink-ukraine"&gt;The People's Starlink project&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;nbsp;which&amp;nbsp;is involved in refurbishing, adapting, repairing, and providing technical support, as well as procuring and upgrading satellite communication terminals from SpaceX's Starlink for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and other defenders of Ukraine.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;With the help of many contributors, including Oleg, People's Starlink founder &lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/vstepanets/"&gt;Vladimir Stepanets&lt;/a&gt; has written a 246-page&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FPABd398YRWhwPFR1kPbCCsH6KGofP-H/view"&gt;Starlink Handbook for Military Users&lt;/a&gt;, which begins with a message from the author “Greetings defenders of Ukraine!”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh9hKCgwNMj84G_5nNu5hB40Ei6Lm4fyDofDo6W4He7WFd7K38fLPw4WvK85GykP8ZuHpkNOUVA1IY6YnqVcmHbyyZYc4iiMiSEO0VxPEiaLVvScS6Q6-DNJpyZNgLurpSHkv-57IflU1zdrZHj676xTeECrP5E84XVHk7TKZp92VYsU1k8YuLB3g/s1284/UkrainianTTTCourse.png" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="720" data-original-width="1284" height="179" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh9hKCgwNMj84G_5nNu5hB40Ei6Lm4fyDofDo6W4He7WFd7K38fLPw4WvK85GykP8ZuHpkNOUVA1IY6YnqVcmHbyyZYc4iiMiSEO0VxPEiaLVvScS6Q6-DNJpyZNgLurpSHkv-57IflU1zdrZHj676xTeECrP5E84XVHk7TKZp92VYsU1k8YuLB3g/s320/UkrainianTTTCourse.png" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;Starlink Handbook for Military Users&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;The handbook is divided into eight, richly illustrated modules:&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;What is Starlink?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Starlink Terminals&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Powering Starlink terminals&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Expanding and collapsing Starlink terminals&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Terminal management and settings&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Safety of using Starlink terminals&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Diagnostics and problem-solving&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Starlink in network infrastructures&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This is the second (and first public) edition of the handbook and it will continue evolving. It is currently available in Ukrainian, but Stepanets is discussing translations into several other languages and plans to publish it as a book.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhzhfxvLXyVjbbYf_vyii1_NUjXA76x3susvwDETvADF00jQGfvXgl4YG65BnB_GxgpSrqKtyXbC4lfsAPGWBF1qr4iFuQ2BsTqNSvfV8r5Xocp_SkwGkSDjpysxjjTIfErr4pv2g1jFYvmr6xcdRFomCzPmjEgOIxjgPwn7UMtDkWx-4z9EXgV2g/s780/PointOfInvincibity.webp" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="520" data-original-width="780" height="213" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhzhfxvLXyVjbbYf_vyii1_NUjXA76x3susvwDETvADF00jQGfvXgl4YG65BnB_GxgpSrqKtyXbC4lfsAPGWBF1qr4iFuQ2BsTqNSvfV8r5Xocp_SkwGkSDjpysxjjTIfErr4pv2g1jFYvmr6xcdRFomCzPmjEgOIxjgPwn7UMtDkWx-4z9EXgV2g/s320/PointOfInvincibity.webp" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;Point of invincibility in Bucha, Ukraine&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;In response to Russian attacks on critical infrastructure, Ukraine has established thousands of&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://nezlamnist.gov.ua/"&gt;Points of Invincibility&lt;/a&gt;, tent structures equipped with generators. The government is&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.kmu.gov.ua/en/news/pracyuyemo-abi-kozhen-punkt-nezlamnosti-zabezpechiti-starlinkom-premyer-ministr"&gt;working to provide a Starlink terminal&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;for each of them in addition to heat, water, lighting, and more.&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;The&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://itarmy.com.ua/?lang=en#"&gt;IT Army of Ukraine&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;is an international, loosely connected organization of Ukrainian and foreign ethical hackers. They have created an online service that Ukrainian allies can use to generate denial-of-service attacks. Of course, one man's "ethical hacker" is another man's "terrorist," and Ukraine has petitioned The International Criminal Court&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/11/war-ukraine-tests-how-cyberattacks-fit-into-rules-war-crimes/"&gt;to investigate Russian cyberattacks as war crimes&lt;/a&gt;. The International Committee of the Red Cross&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-66998064"&gt;has published rules of engagement for civilian hackers&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;involved in conflicts and the IT Army will make a best effort to follow the rules.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;It was obvious from the early days of the war that two technologies -- Starlink and drones -- were going to play major roles. Model airplane hobbyists &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerorozvidka" style="font-family: inherit;"&gt;created an a&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: inherit;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerorozvidka"&gt;ir reconnaissance unit&lt;/a&gt; within the army when fighting began in 2014 and Starlink &lt;a href="https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-is-using-elon-musks-starlink-for-drone-strikes/a-61270528"&gt;enabled surveillance drones&lt;/a&gt; to relay target coordinates to artillery units.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: inherit;"&gt;Today, non-technical people like&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="color: #333333;"&gt;Violetta Oliynyk, an artist and jeweler, &lt;a href="https://www.rferl.org/a/ukrainian-jeweler-builds-drones/32798439.html"&gt;are assembling drones&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;in their spare time. She learned drone assembly by &lt;a href="https://prometheus.org.ua/course/course-v1:Prometheus+FPV101+2024_T1?fbclid=IwAR0oBWPnZUk8bhvVQiBzKeeCQeyl3CD9hBNcQ5evJoHr9fQ0NWJc989uPBw"&gt;taking an online course&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;from &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="https://prometheus.org.ua/"&gt;Prometheus&lt;/a&gt;, a nine-year-old education site with over 400 courses online. (The course was developed for the &lt;a href="https://en.victory-drones.com/"&gt;Victory Drones&lt;/a&gt; project).&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.socialdrone.com.ua/"&gt;Social Drones UA&lt;/a&gt; is another volunteer drone assembly project. They vet then train and support potential assemblers with a how-to video and online support.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ukrainians are also &lt;a href="https://vaping360.com/vape-news/115884/ukraine-disposable-vape-batteries-help-fight-the-war-with-russia/"&gt;assembling battery packs&lt;/a&gt; from batteries in discarded vapes, which is reminiscent of Americans &lt;a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/04/reluctantly-turning-bacon-into-bombs-during-world-war-ii/360298/"&gt;saving and turning in excess cooking fat&lt;/a&gt; to be used in explosives during World War II.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Civilian volunteers and Ukrainian tech companies&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://youtu.be/voPCPhzmL10?si=Yh2J72Dn_6q450Hj"&gt;have pivoted to military innovation and production&lt;/a&gt;. Ukraine was technologically advanced before the war and has been forced to innovate and improvise. If Ukraine survives, the tech sector will thrive when peace comes.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="gs" style="background-color: white; margin: 0px; min-width: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 20px; width: initial;"&gt;&lt;div class="ii gt" id=":1j8" jslog="20277; u014N:xr6bB; 1:WyIjdGhyZWFkLWE6cjQ4MTY4MTYwNTc3MTUwODIwMjkiXQ..; 4:WyIjbXNnLWE6ci0yMzg0MDE4MDY5NzkyNDk2NzEyIl0." style="direction: ltr; margin: 8px 0px 0px; overflow-x: hidden; padding: 0px; position: relative;"&gt;&lt;div class="a3s aiL" id=":1j9" style="direction: initial; font-feature-settings: normal; font-kerning: auto; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-stretch: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variation-settings: normal; line-height: 1.5; overflow: auto hidden; position: relative;"&gt;&lt;div dir="auto" style="color: #222222; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;span face="&amp;quot;Google Sans&amp;quot;, Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="font-size: 0.875rem;"&gt;I've presented a few examples of civilian tech support for the Ukrainian resistance to the Russian invasion. There are many others, and if you are so inclined, the Internet makes it possible for you to contribute to them. Many project Websites have contribution links and you can also consult Reddit's list of&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/wiki/charities/"&gt;vetted Ukrainen charities&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div dir="auto" style="color: #222222; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;span face="&amp;quot;Google Sans&amp;quot;, Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="font-size: 0.875rem;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div dir="auto" style="color: #222222; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;span face="&amp;quot;Google Sans&amp;quot;, Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" style="font-size: 0.875rem;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 3/8/2024&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div dir="auto" style="color: #222222; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div dir="auto" style="color: #222222; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: right;"&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhIH-VxB5-TVUaKnIDUg-nrmKOohxhSK0kWSTulmFXgzoQ_uf6mJ46HchpTozx5hQN12WKPI1SS9HKSyn_Tg429cKB_2NFMdVjRUhFi18R-zuCQHoymgPjJOK_Fxrgs1moSXQUPDU-QC79cXqHVCl4jV8RdD8f24_ju6aCNyC0BWtzInXK5EpaSWA/s2132/OlegPersonOfTheYear.png" style="clear: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" data-original-height="2132" data-original-width="1600" height="320" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhIH-VxB5-TVUaKnIDUg-nrmKOohxhSK0kWSTulmFXgzoQ_uf6mJ46HchpTozx5hQN12WKPI1SS9HKSyn_Tg429cKB_2NFMdVjRUhFi18R-zuCQHoymgPjJOK_Fxrgs1moSXQUPDU-QC79cXqHVCl4jV8RdD8f24_ju6aCNyC0BWtzInXK5EpaSWA/w240-h320/OlegPersonOfTheYear.png" width="240" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: left;"&gt;I believe Oleg is by Volodymyr Zelenskyy's ear.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;Oleg Kutkov was among the "people embodying the spirit of Ukraine,"&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://time.com/spirit-of-ukraine-person-of-the-year-2022/"&gt;chosen by Time Magazine as Person of the Year for 2022&lt;/a&gt;. Time wrote:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div dir="auto" style="color: #222222; font-size: small;"&gt;&lt;div dir="auto"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Ukraine first came back online when Elon Musk activated his low-­altitude Starlink satellite internet, as he would later do in Iran. The net was crucial to Ukrainian forces, who were issued the compact, portable Starlink antennas. But in Kyiv, self-­described “tech and space nerd” Oleg Kutkov reconstructed a Starlink dish from eBay, and after contacting SpaceX support, caught a signal. “I was the first civilian user of Starlink here in Ukraine,” says Kutkov, 34, who began a Face­book group that has grown to 8,700 people. “They read about me in the news, and they were all worrying about connectivity because the internet is really important here to get all the news, to get notifications and so on.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div dir="auto"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update 2/6/2025&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div dir="auto"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div dir="auto"&gt;Oleg Kutkov reports that there are now &lt;a href="https://x.com/olegkutkov/status/1886906618958184756"&gt;dozens of Starlink service centers in Ukraine&lt;/a&gt;. He says his friend runs the first and biggest service center specializing in Starlink in Ukraine (and most likely worldwide). 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