Comments for ClobberBlog http://www.clobberblog.com Mormonism, Evangelical Christianity & More Sat, 04 May 2013 15:55:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 Comment on Am I attending a hard complementarian church? by Ms. Jack http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=1798&cpage=1#comment-27224 Ms. Jack Sat, 04 May 2013 15:55:17 +0000 http://clobbergirl.wordpress.com/?p=1798#comment-27224 <strong>Kathy</strong> ~ Yup, this post is 4 years old. Been a member of CBE for years and written two articles for them now. Kathy ~ Yup, this post is 4 years old. Been a member of CBE for years and written two articles for them now.

]]> Comment on Am I attending a hard complementarian church? by kathy http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=1798&cpage=1#comment-27207 kathy Sun, 28 Apr 2013 03:33:25 +0000 http://clobbergirl.wordpress.com/?p=1798#comment-27207 re. new frontiers They are hard complimentarians. I know this because I personally know the pastor of the new frontiers church in tacoma, very nice guy, but draws a big, clear line in the sand re women in the church. They don't allow women to be elders or to teach men. at all. The whole 'church family' is like that. If you are looking for a really great resource on egalitarian voices, resources, networks and free scholarly papers on the subject, check out the website "christians for biblical equality". It's an amazing, articulate, and bible based site that explores our role as 'equal heirs to the kingdom" (and none of this 'separate but equal stuff that complimentarians throw our way - or as they word it, 'equal in essence, but not in role) re. new frontiers
They are hard complimentarians. I know this because I personally know the pastor of the new frontiers church in tacoma, very nice guy, but draws a big, clear line in the sand re women in the church. They don’t allow women to be elders or to teach men. at all. The whole ‘church family’ is like that.
If you are looking for a really great resource on egalitarian voices, resources, networks and free scholarly papers on the subject, check out the website “christians for biblical equality”. It’s an amazing, articulate, and bible based site that explores our role as ‘equal heirs to the kingdom” (and none of this ‘separate but equal stuff that complimentarians throw our way – or as they word it, ‘equal in essence, but not in role)

]]> Comment on How to Witness to Mormon Missionaries by Ms. Jack http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=3033&cpage=3#comment-27200 Ms. Jack Sat, 20 Apr 2013 11:31:56 +0000 http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=3033#comment-27200 That's kind of overstating things, Dennis. <em>Some</em> of the people and places in the Bible have been proven to exist. Others have just as little evidence for them as the peoples in the Book of Mormon and are just as disregarded by non-Christian and non-Jewish scholars as the people of the Book of Mormon (Abraham, the Exodus, etc.). However, the complete lack of evidence for Book of Mormon peoples in the New World is a big problem for believers in the historicity of the book. I know of many Mormons who are rational enough to acknowledge these things without calling anyone "hater." (BTW, if your comment was directed at Kullervo, he's an ex-Mormon and a Christian, not a Mormon.) That’s kind of overstating things, Dennis. Some of the people and places in the Bible have been proven to exist. Others have just as little evidence for them as the peoples in the Book of Mormon and are just as disregarded by non-Christian and non-Jewish scholars as the people of the Book of Mormon (Abraham, the Exodus, etc.).

However, the complete lack of evidence for Book of Mormon peoples in the New World is a big problem for believers in the historicity of the book. I know of many Mormons who are rational enough to acknowledge these things without calling anyone “hater.”

(BTW, if your comment was directed at Kullervo, he’s an ex-Mormon and a Christian, not a Mormon.)

]]> Comment on How to Witness to Mormon Missionaries by Dennis Thompson http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=3033&cpage=3#comment-27199 Dennis Thompson Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:45:37 +0000 http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=3033#comment-27199 You know, you cant have a rational conversation with a Mormon. You tell them well, the places and people of the Bible have long been proven to exist. How come the people and places of the Book of Mormon have never been proven to exist? Then you are called a hater etc etc.... You know, you cant have a rational conversation with a Mormon. You tell them well, the places and people of the Bible have long been proven to exist. How come the people and places of the Book of Mormon have never been proven to exist? Then you are called a hater etc etc….

]]> Comment on You’re welcome, Mormon women! by Eric http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=4822&cpage=1#comment-27191 Eric Sat, 13 Apr 2013 05:44:06 +0000 http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=4822#comment-27191 In one of the sessions Sunday (I think the second one), a woman did the opening prayer. You should also be pleased with this talk, which promoted as egalitarian of a view of marriage as has ever been heard in General Conference: <a href="http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2013/04/marriage-watch-and-learn?lang=eng" rel="nofollow">Marriage: Watch and Learn</a>. I'll try to keep you in a good mood and not mention some of the other talks. In one of the sessions Sunday (I think the second one), a woman did the opening prayer.

You should also be pleased with this talk, which promoted as egalitarian of a view of marriage as has ever been heard in General Conference: Marriage: Watch and Learn.

I’ll try to keep you in a good mood and not mention some of the other talks.

]]> Comment on You’re welcome, Mormon women! by Jessica http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=4822&cpage=1#comment-27178 Jessica Sun, 07 Apr 2013 02:49:02 +0000 http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=4822#comment-27178 As long as you are on a roll, ya wanna blog about a few more? As long as you are on a roll, ya wanna blog about a few more?

]]> Comment on “Our Marriage Works Because We Have a Mutual Respect for Each Other” by chanson http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=4812&cpage=1#comment-27113 chanson Tue, 19 Mar 2013 18:44:20 +0000 http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=4812#comment-27113 That's cool to see some support from the CoJCoL-dS for inter-faith families. There was also an Ensign article about valuing a non-believing spouse. It's the only Ensign article that ever <a href="http://mainstreetplaza.com/2013/02/06/congratulations-2012-brodie-winners/" rel="nofollow">won a Brodie award</a>. ;) That’s cool to see some support from the CoJCoL-dS for inter-faith families. There was also an Ensign article about valuing a non-believing spouse. It’s the only Ensign article that ever won a Brodie award. ;)

]]> Comment on Amen, Robert Kirby by Cheri http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=4784&cpage=1#comment-27108 Cheri Mon, 18 Mar 2013 05:07:00 +0000 http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=4784#comment-27108 *sigh* so true *sigh* so true

]]> Comment on An emerging choice by Cheri http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=4786&cpage=1#comment-27093 Cheri Thu, 07 Mar 2013 22:30:32 +0000 http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=4786#comment-27093 Interdenominational family mom here. My kids' father and I have agreed that until the age of 16, when each of them are legal to drive, they attend my church and his church on alternating Sundays. After that, they are free to choose which church to attend, join/be baptized in, or to avoid church altogether. I think by the time you are responsible enough to drive yourself from point A to point B, you should be allowed the freedom to pursue your faith (or to abstain from it). Interdenominational family mom here. My kids’ father and I have agreed that until the age of 16, when each of them are legal to drive, they attend my church and his church on alternating Sundays. After that, they are free to choose which church to attend, join/be baptized in, or to avoid church altogether. I think by the time you are responsible enough to drive yourself from point A to point B, you should be allowed the freedom to pursue your faith (or to abstain from it).

]]> Comment on An emerging choice by Ms. Jack http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=4786&cpage=1#comment-27088 Ms. Jack Tue, 05 Mar 2013 00:40:05 +0000 http://www.clobberblog.com/?p=4786#comment-27088 Good to see you again, Blake. I hope you've been well. If I frame things as a matter of "I win" and "you lose," it's probably because I've always tried to keep a sense of humor about serious situations. Maybe even to an inappropriate extent. I don't think I'm being manipulative though. I've done everything in my power to stand back and let her make these choices for herself. Good to see you again, Blake. I hope you’ve been well.

If I frame things as a matter of “I win” and “you lose,” it’s probably because I’ve always tried to keep a sense of humor about serious situations. Maybe even to an inappropriate extent.

I don’t think I’m being manipulative though. I’ve done everything in my power to stand back and let her make these choices for herself.

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