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Comment on BRMS at a Crossroads #brf by Jean-Jacques Dubray

Jean-Jacques Dubray — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:48:17 +0000

So, Sandy, do you finally understand how all these concepts relate? Did you get a chance to reflect on this sentence?

He puts all of this together into a core state machine, with links to an event server for receiving inbound events and a process server for initiating actions based on decisions, blending together an event, decision and process architecture.

Maybe it’s time to overhaul your understanding of BPM >> A good look forward, and some sound recommendations.

If you get a chance, you could reread my 2007 : http://www.infoq.com/articles/seven-fallacies-of-bpm and get a sense how frustrating it is not being able to initiate a (non-monetized) dialog on how these concepts relate.

Comment on BRF Day 2: How Business Rules Re(Define) Business Processes: A Service Oriented View by #BRF How business rules and processes fit together | Primatek Consulting Blog by Eric Charpentier

Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:43:56 +0000

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Comment on Smart Enough Systems by Smarter Systems for Uncertain Times #brf

Smarter Systems for Uncertain Times #brf — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:12:03 +0000

[...] I facilitated a breakfast session this morning discussing BPM in the cloud, which was a lot of fun, and now I’m in the keynote listening to James Taylor on the role of decision management in agile, smarter systems. Much of this is based on his book, Smart (Enough) Systems, which I reviewed shortly after its release. [...]

Comment on Business Rules Governance and Management #brf by links for 2009-11-05 « steinarcarlsen

links for 2009-11-05 « steinarcarlsen — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:07:04 +0000

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Comment on BPM, Collaboration and Social Networking #brf by links for 2009-11-05 « steinarcarlsen

links for 2009-11-05 « steinarcarlsen — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:06:46 +0000

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Comment on Smarter Systems for Uncertain Times #brf by Smarter systems for uncertain times – #brf keynote — JT on EDM

Smarter systems for uncertain times – #brf keynote — JT on EDM — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:01:06 +0000

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Column 2 : Smarter Systems for Uncertain Times #brf — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:00:30 +0000

[...] Smarter Systems for Uncertain Times #brf I facilitated a breakfast session this morning discussing BPM in the cloud, which was a lot of fun, and now I’m in the keynote listening to James Taylor on the role of decision management in agile, smarter systems. Much of this is based on his book, Smart (Enough) Systems, which I reviewed shortly after its release. [...]

Comment on Business Rules and Business Events: Where CEP Helps Decisions #brf by Paul Vincent

Paul Vincent — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:20:06 +0000

Thanks Sandy! Good to meet you at the conference, and hopefully it was an interesting session. A few responses:

“In fact, there’s a fine line between business processes and event processing if you consider how an event might impact an in-flight event-triggered process, and Paul declared that BPM is really just a constrained case of CEP.”
You could argue that this simply means that the definition of CEP (aggregating events) is too broad. But I prefer the view that BPM (usually meaning process orchestration via BPMN) is simply, so far, the most used pattern for CEP…

“Having taken over the world of BPM, he moved on to BRM, and showed how CEP systems are better for managing automated rules”
I probably meant to say how CEP are better for automating managed rules. But rule (and process) management is of course a workflow which is usually a type of simple event processing. For example, what events lead you to change a process diagram? Is process change itself a managed process based on events? etc etc.

“This allows historic patterns to be detected in real time (which sounds like a contradiction)”
You are right – it does sound funny. Historic patterns may be discovered via traditional data-based analytics, then mapped to a CEP (or BRE) for pattern detection. Of course, real-time pattern discovery (finding new patterns on the fly) is the domain of real-time analytics (via metarules, for example, in TIBCO)- a pretty new field.

“business users (or at least business analysts) need to be able to understand and model events independent of any particular infrastructure. I completely agree with this…” A rule consultant I once worked with stopped me after the presentation and made this point exactly – analysing rules from an event perspective can be very clarifying (regardless of using CEP, BRE, or BPM).

Cheers

Comment on BPM Think Tank: On-Demand BPM Vendor Panel by Avi Wasser

Avi Wasser — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:37:24 +0000

Saw some interesting BPM papers at the EIwN 2009 workshop. Coopis BTW, is a high quality event that presents innovative BPM ideas each year.
Liked the papers that discussed Architectures for Enterprise Integration through BPM Applications.

http://www.onthemove-conferences.org/index.php/program/ei2n

Comment on Business Rules and Business Events: Where CEP Helps Decisions #brf by Business Rules Forum 2009 – Day 2 #brf — JT on EDM

Business Rules Forum 2009 – Day 2 #brf — JT on EDM — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:45:17 +0000

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