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		<title>Comment on ‘Diggers’ are to archaeology as pro-wrestling is to sports: fake by Carl Feagans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Feagans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 18:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Invented? Really? I suppose it is "invented" though not through the origin you ignorantly claim. All professions are "inventions" in that they are social constructs designed by humans to achieve a social purpose of one sort or another. But if you think archaeology was invented so that someone could merely obtain a salary, you could not be further from reality. Certainly it would be nice to be paid to do what you enjoy, and there are many who earn their salaries, but many archaeologists (if not most!) retire in a position that is far from wealthy. Sure there are other professions one can go into that make more money (construction, real estate, computer repair/IT, ... hell there are probably fry cooks that make more than some archaeologists!).

Your comment is clearly one of hate and disrespect and not one of academic merit or discourse in reality. Congratulations. You made a fool of yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Invented? Really? I suppose it is &#8220;invented&#8221; though not through the origin you ignorantly claim. All professions are &#8220;inventions&#8221; in that they are social constructs designed by humans to achieve a social purpose of one sort or another. But if you think archaeology was invented so that someone could merely obtain a salary, you could not be further from reality. Certainly it would be nice to be paid to do what you enjoy, and there are many who earn their salaries, but many archaeologists (if not most!) retire in a position that is far from wealthy. Sure there are other professions one can go into that make more money (construction, real estate, computer repair/IT, &#8230; hell there are probably fry cooks that make more than some archaeologists!).</p>
<p>Your comment is clearly one of hate and disrespect and not one of academic merit or discourse in reality. Congratulations. You made a fool of yourself.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ‘Diggers’ are to archaeology as pro-wrestling is to sports: fake by Allen</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 18:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the show is a fake and an embarrassment.  Then again the "profession" of archeology is also a fake.  It is an "invented" profession for the purpose of making a salary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the show is a fake and an embarrassment.  Then again the &#8220;profession&#8221; of archeology is also a fake.  It is an &#8220;invented&#8221; profession for the purpose of making a salary.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Three cool things about archaeologist Larry Zimmerman by dash dash dash.......</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 10:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gonna "HAVE" you "ARCHAEOLOGISM...". ILL not leave u!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gonna &#8220;HAVE&#8221; you &#8220;ARCHAEOLOGISM&#8230;&#8221;. ILL not leave u!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on ‘Diggers’ are to archaeology as pro-wrestling is to sports: fake by salted finds</title>
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		<description>my problem is that the show is FAKED.

Finding a crusader cross from the 13th century inside of a chevrolet aircleaner housing convieniently underneath a concrete slab.. Oh, and random spanish pieces of eight and silver coins
along with it, NONE of which would remotely be in the correct time frame or global region to end up inside a chevrolet air cleaner assembly on a factory site-
This is complete nonsense.. 

The show is SALTED. They are CLEARLY SALTING these finds in most cases and I would be interested in tracking down some of these "buyers" shown eagerly parting with 5 grand to possess some rocks pulled out of a creek. I doubt anyone is going to easily find a buyer for those alleged 'artifacts' without a LOT of effort, and the price range would be in the scale of 50 bucks, not thousands for a stone with a ground down center purported to be a corn grinding mortar.

These fraudsters are clearly planting or bringing with them some 'sweeteners' to pad out their finds of a wrench, and a beat up old auto grill, and anyone who has done any metal detecting knows that there is a lot of days you find NOTHING of note and certainly nothing of value.

Unless you are raiding historical sites with known payloads of artifacts, you are not going to be able to make a living doing this, and to suggest they are pulling in 15k each trip is nonsensical.

They could not find enough, without the TV sponsorship, to pay for gas, hotels and their bills, using this method.
My guess is, they are SALTING virtually all the more desireable finds, and then using the payments to homeowners of 2k or under as a cheap means to gain traction for the show to stay in production.

Anyone who sees the show knows they are guaranteed 1200-2000 grand for letting their property be used in production, and this salting of a couple items and 2 grand to the homeowner is simply the cost of doing business for the shows producers..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my problem is that the show is FAKED.</p>
<p>Finding a crusader cross from the 13th century inside of a chevrolet aircleaner housing convieniently underneath a concrete slab.. Oh, and random spanish pieces of eight and silver coins<br />
along with it, NONE of which would remotely be in the correct time frame or global region to end up inside a chevrolet air cleaner assembly on a factory site-<br />
This is complete nonsense.. </p>
<p>The show is SALTED. They are CLEARLY SALTING these finds in most cases and I would be interested in tracking down some of these &#8220;buyers&#8221; shown eagerly parting with 5 grand to possess some rocks pulled out of a creek. I doubt anyone is going to easily find a buyer for those alleged &#8216;artifacts&#8217; without a LOT of effort, and the price range would be in the scale of 50 bucks, not thousands for a stone with a ground down center purported to be a corn grinding mortar.</p>
<p>These fraudsters are clearly planting or bringing with them some &#8216;sweeteners&#8217; to pad out their finds of a wrench, and a beat up old auto grill, and anyone who has done any metal detecting knows that there is a lot of days you find NOTHING of note and certainly nothing of value.</p>
<p>Unless you are raiding historical sites with known payloads of artifacts, you are not going to be able to make a living doing this, and to suggest they are pulling in 15k each trip is nonsensical.</p>
<p>They could not find enough, without the TV sponsorship, to pay for gas, hotels and their bills, using this method.<br />
My guess is, they are SALTING virtually all the more desireable finds, and then using the payments to homeowners of 2k or under as a cheap means to gain traction for the show to stay in production.</p>
<p>Anyone who sees the show knows they are guaranteed 1200-2000 grand for letting their property be used in production, and this salting of a couple items and 2 grand to the homeowner is simply the cost of doing business for the shows producers..</p>
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		<title>Comment on ‘Diggers’ are to archaeology as pro-wrestling is to sports: fake by GregT</title>
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		<description>Carl - I've gotta say that you have an incredible amount of patience. Far more than I have. Thanks for trying to inform folks about what archaeology is...whether or not people get it.

Far, far more patience than I have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl &#8211; I&#8217;ve gotta say that you have an incredible amount of patience. Far more than I have. Thanks for trying to inform folks about what archaeology is&#8230;whether or not people get it.</p>
<p>Far, far more patience than I have.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ‘Diggers’ are to archaeology as pro-wrestling is to sports: fake by Anthony</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 14:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Show is fake.  I am a megladon collector.  They had a show about digging in Virginia and found a poor tooth they valued at $2500.  Value was max of $200.  Totally made up!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Show is fake.  I am a megladon collector.  They had a show about digging in Virginia and found a poor tooth they valued at $2500.  Value was max of $200.  Totally made up!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on ‘Diggers’ are to archaeology as pro-wrestling is to sports: fake by Marc</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing I can speak to being BS on this show are the ridiculous prices they show that they get a megaladon shark tooth that goes for 250 bucks anywhere on the web and a rusted barrel of a Kentucky rifle that is about 5 inches under ground goes for 3500 come on oh and while I am on un realistic things they hit a water line made of pvc about 6 inches deep in Detroit this show is just fake on too many levels</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing I can speak to being BS on this show are the ridiculous prices they show that they get a megaladon shark tooth that goes for 250 bucks anywhere on the web and a rusted barrel of a Kentucky rifle that is about 5 inches under ground goes for 3500 come on oh and while I am on un realistic things they hit a water line made of pvc about 6 inches deep in Detroit this show is just fake on too many levels</p>
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		<title>Comment on ‘Diggers’ are to archaeology as pro-wrestling is to sports: fake by Carl Feagans</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 00:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;back to the facts we get from archaeologist ..are they not same as doctors, mechanics, appraisers ect. Put 5 on same site and all will have a different theory …most of it is theory anyway and thats been proven &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don't think you know the definition of theory as a scientist might use it. The lay-person will say "theory" when what they really mean is hypothesis or guess. For an archaeologist, theory is the conceptual framework by which he or she goes about obtaining data. In general, however, the data retrieved are not different -its the interpretations of these data which can differ. Marxists will interpret the data with a eye toward how societies develop modes of production; processualists will rely heavily on hypotheses and testing with an expectation of arriving at a close approximation of the truth as a result of the evidence; post-processualists treat data as though all hypothesis testing is automatically biased by the researcher/archaeologist; and so on.

None are necessarily wrong or right and, indeed, there is much to be gained from an understanding of these and other theoretical frameworks. But the data are the data. My own interpretation is subject to peer review and, if I've reported all the data, anyone can apply a different theoretical framework and, perhaps, a different interpretation will result. 

But I've been at more than one archaeological site where there were more than 5 archaeologists on hand. And you know what? We didn't disagree on the basic facts of the site. It's hard to interpret most things differently when it comes to raw data. A discolored level of matrix (dirt) has a given Munsel value that can be agreed on. A potsherd has characteristics that can likewise be objectively established (shape, color, slip style, material, etc.). A hearth can be objectively placed in space and time using a total station and radiocarbon dating the level its found at. These are not things that are so theoretical that "5 [archaeologists] on the same site [...] will have a different theory." 

I'm very sorry to say it, but the average hobbyist and the average metal detectorist simply doesn't have the expertise to do more than shoot coins and surface collect arrowheads. But I do not dispute that it is perfectly legal for them to do so on private lands where they have permission. Indeed, it is completely legal for them to scrape the land with a backhoe and sift it through a series of screens if they so choose if they're on private lands with permission.

What I am also saying, however, is that this legality doesn't make it right or ethical. But I recognize that these are ethical considerations that I can't expect the hobbyist or even many "diggers" to understand if they aren't aware of all the angles. Part of me would like to see legislation in place that prohibits even private landowners from abusing cultural resources on their property. Except this would probably not be Constitutional. Instead, it might be preferable to raise the public consciousness on the issue of cultural heritage and how important it is to protect even the smallest sites for proper evaluation -an evaluation that may or may not include excavation.

Entire cultures have probably been lost to us because of our inattention. We scrape the land away and install buildings and freeways. We inundate valleys with water by damming rivers. We put value on "relics" and the only thing left of a culture is on Ebay or a museum of "art" where provenance reads, "from the private collection of Mr. Big Donor." Had we the opportunity to see the artifacts (not "relics," but material remains -artifacts) in the place, position, and condition they were last deposited, we stand a better chance of piecing together the culture in much the same way forensic anthropologists do on shows like CSI. 

I didn't get, however, your statement that "archaeologists are not the same as doctors, mechanics, appraisers, etc." I'm not sure what you mean by that. Of course they aren't. They're archaeologists. Indeed these occupations are all very different from each other. But I suspect you had a different meaning. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>back to the facts we get from archaeologist ..are they not same as doctors, mechanics, appraisers ect. Put 5 on same site and all will have a different theory …most of it is theory anyway and thats been proven </p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you know the definition of theory as a scientist might use it. The lay-person will say &#8220;theory&#8221; when what they really mean is hypothesis or guess. For an archaeologist, theory is the conceptual framework by which he or she goes about obtaining data. In general, however, the data retrieved are not different -its the interpretations of these data which can differ. Marxists will interpret the data with a eye toward how societies develop modes of production; processualists will rely heavily on hypotheses and testing with an expectation of arriving at a close approximation of the truth as a result of the evidence; post-processualists treat data as though all hypothesis testing is automatically biased by the researcher/archaeologist; and so on.</p>
<p>None are necessarily wrong or right and, indeed, there is much to be gained from an understanding of these and other theoretical frameworks. But the data are the data. My own interpretation is subject to peer review and, if I&#8217;ve reported all the data, anyone can apply a different theoretical framework and, perhaps, a different interpretation will result. </p>
<p>But I&#8217;ve been at more than one archaeological site where there were more than 5 archaeologists on hand. And you know what? We didn&#8217;t disagree on the basic facts of the site. It&#8217;s hard to interpret most things differently when it comes to raw data. A discolored level of matrix (dirt) has a given Munsel value that can be agreed on. A potsherd has characteristics that can likewise be objectively established (shape, color, slip style, material, etc.). A hearth can be objectively placed in space and time using a total station and radiocarbon dating the level its found at. These are not things that are so theoretical that &#8220;5 [archaeologists] on the same site [...] will have a different theory.&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;m very sorry to say it, but the average hobbyist and the average metal detectorist simply doesn&#8217;t have the expertise to do more than shoot coins and surface collect arrowheads. But I do not dispute that it is perfectly legal for them to do so on private lands where they have permission. Indeed, it is completely legal for them to scrape the land with a backhoe and sift it through a series of screens if they so choose if they&#8217;re on private lands with permission.</p>
<p>What I am also saying, however, is that this legality doesn&#8217;t make it right or ethical. But I recognize that these are ethical considerations that I can&#8217;t expect the hobbyist or even many &#8220;diggers&#8221; to understand if they aren&#8217;t aware of all the angles. Part of me would like to see legislation in place that prohibits even private landowners from abusing cultural resources on their property. Except this would probably not be Constitutional. Instead, it might be preferable to raise the public consciousness on the issue of cultural heritage and how important it is to protect even the smallest sites for proper evaluation -an evaluation that may or may not include excavation.</p>
<p>Entire cultures have probably been lost to us because of our inattention. We scrape the land away and install buildings and freeways. We inundate valleys with water by damming rivers. We put value on &#8220;relics&#8221; and the only thing left of a culture is on Ebay or a museum of &#8220;art&#8221; where provenance reads, &#8220;from the private collection of Mr. Big Donor.&#8221; Had we the opportunity to see the artifacts (not &#8220;relics,&#8221; but material remains -artifacts) in the place, position, and condition they were last deposited, we stand a better chance of piecing together the culture in much the same way forensic anthropologists do on shows like CSI. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t get, however, your statement that &#8220;archaeologists are not the same as doctors, mechanics, appraisers, etc.&#8221; I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by that. Of course they aren&#8217;t. They&#8217;re archaeologists. Indeed these occupations are all very different from each other. But I suspect you had a different meaning. </p>
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		<description>Interesting addition: http://www2.scnow.com/news/pee-dee/2012/mar/23/relic-hunter-given-year-federal-prison-pillaging-p-ar-3466101/
As far as about me, all that type of diggers may get the bill for what they ruined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting addition: <a href="http://www2.scnow.com/news/pee-dee/2012/mar/23/relic-hunter-given-year-federal-prison-pillaging-p-ar-3466101/" rel="nofollow">http://www2.scnow.com/news/pee-dee/2012/mar/23/relic-hunter-given-year-federal-prison-pillaging-p-ar-3466101/</a><br />
As far as about me, all that type of diggers may get the bill for what they ruined.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ‘Diggers’ are to archaeology as pro-wrestling is to sports: fake by Ron</title>
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		<description>Archaeologist alway say its disturbing the ground ..yes i believe looters as i call them too, raiding indian burial mounds, going on federal and state protected sites and destroying documented ground and sites should be arrested ...but back to the facts we get from archaeologist ..are they not same as doctors, mechanics, appraisers ect. Put 5 on same site and all will have a different theory ...most of it is theory anyway and thats been proven ...again all archeologist should not be considered bad nor should the relic hunters or detectorist......






s, appraisers,ect.???   Put 5 on same job and all going to report different theorie s about. the
 site they sre on ...and</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Archaeologist alway say its disturbing the ground ..yes i believe looters as i call them too, raiding indian burial mounds, going on federal and state protected sites and destroying documented ground and sites should be arrested &#8230;but back to the facts we get from archaeologist ..are they not same as doctors, mechanics, appraisers ect. Put 5 on same site and all will have a different theory &#8230;most of it is theory anyway and thats been proven &#8230;again all archeologist should not be considered bad nor should the relic hunters or detectorist&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>s, appraisers,ect.???   Put 5 on same job and all going to report different theorie s about. the<br />
 site they sre on &#8230;and</p>
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