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		<title>Comment on Surviving the Technological Future by Half Baked Idea: Delicious RSS Importer | Half-Baked Bits</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] have a confession, I’m an RSS junkie, I won’t even try to survive without it. As an RSS junkie, I read a lot, and would like to be able to catchup on my RSS feeds [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have a confession, I&#8217;m an RSS junkie, I won&#8217;t even try to survive without it. As an RSS junkie, I read a lot, and would like to be able to catchup on my RSS feeds [...]</p><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/CommentsForBPoint/~4/xt0_luC1sdo" height="1" width="1"/>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on PhotoWalk – Sept 21 by PhotoWalking - Metro Detroit - September 21 | BrettVeenstra.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhotoWalking - Metro Detroit - September 21 | BrettVeenstra.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 00:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] I’ve posted a central page with full details here. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Comment on How long would you last? by Surviving the Technological Future « B-Point</title>
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		<dc:creator>Surviving the Technological Future « B-Point</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] He also makes some resolutions about going “natural”, and finding a way to completely disconnect using nature. I wish him well in this endeavor, must past my estimated endurance of 3 days. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Comment on NAnt – really? by Nathan Bedford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Bedford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I throw in my 2 cents here...I had a chance to use Ant in a Java project a  couple years ago, and I'd say if nNant is anything like it (and I think it's pretty similar), I'd say its worth using a script-based build tool for even the smallish projects, regardless of whether you're going the CI route or not.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I found Ant very simply once I was familiar with the tool...once you have a working knowledge of the tool, you can whip up a new build project in no time.  Then, you can do nightly builds minimally (and you're ready for CI when the time comes).  Plus, if you have a tool/script to bake the SVN  version number into the assemblies being built (very helpful come debugging-time), you can easily add that to your build process. And once you've got a build process in place, you'll definitely think of things to add to the build (testing, documentation, installer...)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I'd say it's work it, just for the nightly builds :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I throw in my 2 cents here&#8230;I had a chance to use Ant in a Java project a  couple years ago, and I&#8217;d say if nNant is anything like it (and I think it&#8217;s pretty similar), I&#8217;d say its worth using a script-based build tool for even the smallish projects, regardless of whether you&#8217;re going the CI route or not.</p>

<p>I found Ant very simply once I was familiar with the tool&#8230;once you have a working knowledge of the tool, you can whip up a new build project in no time.  Then, you can do nightly builds minimally (and you&#8217;re ready for CI when the time comes).  Plus, if you have a tool/script to bake the SVN  version number into the assemblies being built (very helpful come debugging-time), you can easily add that to your build process. And once you&#8217;ve got a build process in place, you&#8217;ll definitely think of things to add to the build (testing, documentation, installer&#8230;)</p>

<p>I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s work it, just for the nightly builds <img src='http://brettveenstra.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/CommentsForBPoint/~4/Z81GtrdlHhw" height="1" width="1"/>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Understanding Exposure – Highly Recommended by Yousef Issa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yousef Issa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you think that you are nonprofessional photographer, or you just need to capture better photos, there are many things you can do to enhance your photos. Read these advices that can help you to improve your using to the digital camera.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Get Ready
All your photography tools must be always ready to use. Gather everything you'll need into one place. Make sure to get a camera bag it well make much easier to you, because in it you can keep every thing that you well need and carry it with you. Make sure that every thing in its place.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Get Ready
All your photography tools must be always ready to use. Gather everything you&#8217;ll need into one place. Make sure to get a camera bag it well make much easier to you, because in it you can keep every thing that you well need and carry it with you. Make sure that every thing in its place.</p><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/CommentsForBPoint/~4/bDH5r_sOhHA" height="1" width="1"/>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Utterances: Noah by Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can't help but love that Noah!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t help but love that Noah!</p><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/CommentsForBPoint/~4/GJtzAxLqTaU" height="1" width="1"/>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on PhotoWalk – Oct 28 by daleestes</title>
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		<dc:creator>daleestes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;oops..... just went to the main page and saw the comments on the photowalk. Will have to check frequently so I hear about the next one.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dale.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops&#8230;.. just went to the main page and saw the comments on the photowalk. Will have to check frequently so I hear about the next one.</p>

<p>Dale.</p><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/CommentsForBPoint/~4/8PfqUQ0LMp0" height="1" width="1"/>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on PhotoWalk – Oct 28 by daleestes</title>
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		<dc:creator>daleestes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;HI, Just saw this post, how did the photowalk go? Did you have many people show up? I live in Pinckney, probably could have made this had I seen it sooner.  Ann Arbor would be a nice photowalk also.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dale&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;daleestes.com&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI, Just saw this post, how did the photowalk go? Did you have many people show up? I live in Pinckney, probably could have made this had I seen it sooner.  Ann Arbor would be a nice photowalk also.</p>

<p>Dale</p>

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		<title>Comment on PhotoWalk – Oct 28 by PhotoWalking - Metro Detroit - October 28 « B-Point</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhotoWalking - Metro Detroit - October 28 « B-Point</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] nail down the meeting place by next weekend and I’ll post info here. Hope you can make [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Comment on PhotoWalk – Oct 28 by Upcoming Photo Events 26th - 31st Oct « Photografr.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Upcoming Photo Events 26th - 31st Oct « Photografr.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 21:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Oct: Northville Photowalk: Northville, Michigan, USA: Meeting downtown at the gravel parking lot just North of the track and [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Comment on PhotoWalking – Metro Detroit by Ed Scharrer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Scharrer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 01:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Brett:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Tory passed on your photoadventure info to me.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for this great idea.  Those dates, however, just don't work for me.  I'll watch for other sessions.
In fact, on the 19, 20, 21, I'll be with the Great Lakes Photo Tour at Glen Arbor.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ed&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brett:</p>

<p>Tory passed on your photoadventure info to me.</p>

<p>Thanks for this great idea.  Those dates, however, just don&#8217;t work for me.  I&#8217;ll watch for other sessions.
In fact, on the 19, 20, 21, I&#8217;ll be with the Great Lakes Photo Tour at Glen Arbor.</p>

<p>Ed</p><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/CommentsForBPoint/~4/JZLfpUYqEJo" height="1" width="1"/>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on PhotoWalking – Metro Detroit by Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the invite.  My time that's available for this is over the weekend of the 26-28th.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Since I just finished one month of Royal Oak, I am not interested to go there as much as I am Kensington or Plymouth, or Northville, even Mayberry Farms...that metro park off Beck Rd and is it 6 Mile?  Even the walking path that starts at Oakley Park and ends at Wixom is good I think.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for thinking to invite me.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let me know about the photo shoot.  Now to find my camera.  LOL  I had a listing appt. the other night.  couldn't find my camera although I'd made a point to bring it.. (!!)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With enough heads up I should be able to find the goofey thing before you do the walk.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the invite.  My time that&#8217;s available for this is over the weekend of the 26-28th.</p>

<p>Since I just finished one month of Royal Oak, I am not interested to go there as much as I am Kensington or Plymouth, or Northville, even Mayberry Farms&#8230;that metro park off Beck Rd and is it 6 Mile?  Even the walking path that starts at Oakley Park and ends at Wixom is good I think.</p>

<p>Thanks for thinking to invite me.</p>

<p>Let me know about the photo shoot.  Now to find my camera.  LOL  I had a listing appt. the other night.  couldn&#8217;t find my camera although I&#8217;d made a point to bring it.. (!!)</p>

<p>With enough heads up I should be able to find the goofey thing before you do the walk.</p><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/CommentsForBPoint/~4/kLsi09AZe2w" height="1" width="1"/>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on “Church” is broken by Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think what Bob is trying to say is that even though to you, true worship can't take place without conviction, a lot of people every Sunday do just that.  It may seem like a given to you, but without it being an obvious theme in a worship service, i think it can easily get overlooked.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For a short time we went to another church and you always knew that was the main theme.  How broken we were was made apparent every week, and by the end of the service we felt joy in the fact that He loves us still.  What an amazing heart journey that really needs to happen at each and every worship service.  Without that we are just 'choosing' our God.  We need to be reminded we desparately need Him and that He's already choosen us.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;OH and i love the celebration idea being brought back to church.  Where has that been?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what Bob is trying to say is that even though to you, true worship can&#8217;t take place without conviction, a lot of people every Sunday do just that.  It may seem like a given to you, but without it being an obvious theme in a worship service, i think it can easily get overlooked.</p>

<p>For a short time we went to another church and you always knew that was the main theme.  How broken we were was made apparent every week, and by the end of the service we felt joy in the fact that He loves us still.  What an amazing heart journey that really needs to happen at each and every worship service.  Without that we are just &#8216;choosing&#8217; our God.  We need to be reminded we desparately need Him and that He&#8217;s already choosen us.</p>

<p>OH and i love the celebration idea being brought back to church.  Where has that been?</p><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/CommentsForBPoint/~4/LMEYeXGSmM4" height="1" width="1"/>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on “Church” is broken by Brett Veenstra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Veenstra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 23:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Huh... I'm a little confused what "indirect" means.  Care to clarify?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My main point of this post was that "church" tends to try to please everyone during 1 hour per week and it is waste of time at worst and un-fulfilling to the different groups who attend at best.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh&#8230; I&#8217;m a little confused what &#8220;indirect&#8221; means.  Care to clarify?</p>

<p>My main point of this post was that &#8220;church&#8221; tends to try to please everyone during 1 hour per week and it is waste of time at worst and un-fulfilling to the different groups who attend at best.</p><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/CommentsForBPoint/~4/6XuEyAC_X1E" height="1" width="1"/>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on “Church” is broken by Bobby C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ahhh, i see.  I didn't realize you were talking about those three componoents as separate services...I just thought you were talking "functions of worship".&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But, I think you underestimate how many folks have found a way to get to Good News without any conviction.  Personally, I don't see enough conviction in our services....and I think it would put things in a better perspective if more was done.  I guess I'm talking about taking the 'indirect' conviction and making it more direct in approach.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh, i see.  I didn&#8217;t realize you were talking about those three componoents as separate services&#8230;I just thought you were talking &#8220;functions of worship&#8221;.</p>

<p>But, I think you underestimate how many folks have found a way to get to Good News without any conviction.  Personally, I don&#8217;t see enough conviction in our services&#8230;.and I think it would put things in a better perspective if more was done.  I guess I&#8217;m talking about taking the &#8216;indirect&#8217; conviction and making it more direct in approach.</p><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/CommentsForBPoint/~4/tSzI71gjbng" height="1" width="1"/>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on “Church” is broken by Brett Veenstra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Veenstra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 20:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the post.  I sketched this idea out in a few minutes, but my leaning would be your Conviction service would be sprinkled in both Edification and Salvation elements.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For a "member" of that church, they would attend all three services, whereas a guest or better yet, non-believer would just attend Salvation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I just cannot imagine a message of Good News without someone realizing they are broken!  (And I need to be reminded of this Grace continually it seems)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post.  I sketched this idea out in a few minutes, but my leaning would be your Conviction service would be sprinkled in both Edification and Salvation elements.</p>

<p>For a &#8220;member&#8221; of that church, they would attend all three services, whereas a guest or better yet, non-believer would just attend Salvation.</p>

<p>I just cannot imagine a message of Good News without someone realizing they are broken!  (And I need to be reminded of this Grace continually it seems)</p><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/CommentsForBPoint/~4/KPD9T0CAZGY" height="1" width="1"/>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on “Church” is broken by R. Dog</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;First of all...holy crap!  I agree with you!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Second of all...you're missing one HUGE component of what a church should be.  I agree with your list of Edification, Salvation, and Celebration...but you're missing &lt;strong&gt;Conviction&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;em&gt;(or something along these lines)&lt;/em&gt;  Church should be a place that people are convicted of our broken state each time we enter.  To me, this is the only way to move onto edification, salvation and celebration.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Finally, your last list of ideas on worship services is what alot of churches who are outreach oriented currently do.  Churches like Willow and Nothridge (although I don't advocate everything they do) do really well at this...their weekend services are totally seeker oriented.  Their "believer" services are Wednesday night, and are un-apolgetic for being totally believer focused.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Good post...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all&#8230;holy crap!  I agree with you!</p>

<p>Second of all&#8230;you&#8217;re missing one HUGE component of what a church should be.  I agree with your list of Edification, Salvation, and Celebration&#8230;but you&#8217;re missing <strong>Conviction</strong> <em>(or something along these lines)</em>  Church should be a place that people are convicted of our broken state each time we enter.  To me, this is the only way to move onto edification, salvation and celebration.</p>

<p>Finally, your last list of ideas on worship services is what alot of churches who are outreach oriented currently do.  Churches like Willow and Nothridge (although I don&#8217;t advocate everything they do) do really well at this&#8230;their weekend services are totally seeker oriented.  Their &#8220;believer&#8221; services are Wednesday night, and are un-apolgetic for being totally believer focused.</p>

<p>Good post&#8230;</p><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/CommentsForBPoint/~4/zey9_VIuszg" height="1" width="1"/>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Comment on Oh the joy… by dion</title>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;very nice...so you are the guy who taught liddy that smirk she sports... the mystery's been solved?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very nice&#8230;so you are the guy who taught liddy that smirk she sports&#8230; the mystery&#8217;s been solved?</p><img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/CommentsForBPoint/~4/PAUsOauuJ-A" height="1" width="1"/>]]></content:encoded>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 15:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on What does this look like? by The Answer: The End « B-Point</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Answer: The End « B-Point</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 05:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] The Answer: The End   So what is this? [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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