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		<title>Comment on Dharun Ravi Sentenced to 30 Days in Jail by Donny D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donny D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 09:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Andrew has a good point about Ravi's felony for a bias crime, but any felony is a serious weight to have around one's neck.  Just about every job application I've ever seen asks if the applicant has been convicted of a felony.  So he'll be having trouble getting jobs for the rest of his life, and I'm sure other problems in important areas in his life, too.

Still, I think 30 days is a bit light.  I think he needs a larger portion of a year in jail, with a year as a maximum.  I don't see the point of more than a year in this case.

He's also getting three years probation.  I don't know what probation entails, but depending the terms of probation, that could be a significant thing also.

If Tyler Clementi's parents' description of Dharun Ravi's bigoted behavior toward Clementi are representative of Ravi's thinking, then the judge worked hard to ignore the evidence to be able to claim Ravi didn't hate Clementi but acted out of "insensitivity".  And I don't accept the judge's implicit false dilemma that lets Ravi substantially off the hook if he doesn't feel hatred.  Contempt and callousness are each probably more common among anti-gay bigots than is hatred.  Either emotion could motivate someone to commit worse crimes than Ravi's in this case.

I'm against deportation for Ravi, too, but for a different reason than anyone here has stated so far:  India doesn't deserve this little creep either, and since he commit his crimes here, he's our problem to deal with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Andrew has a good point about Ravi&#8217;s felony for a bias crime, but any felony is a serious weight to have around one&#8217;s neck.  Just about every job application I&#8217;ve ever seen asks if the applicant has been convicted of a felony.  So he&#8217;ll be having trouble getting jobs for the rest of his life, and I&#8217;m sure other problems in important areas in his life, too.</p>
<p>Still, I think 30 days is a bit light.  I think he needs a larger portion of a year in jail, with a year as a maximum.  I don&#8217;t see the point of more than a year in this case.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s also getting three years probation.  I don&#8217;t know what probation entails, but depending the terms of probation, that could be a significant thing also.</p>
<p>If Tyler Clementi&#8217;s parents&#8217; description of Dharun Ravi&#8217;s bigoted behavior toward Clementi are representative of Ravi&#8217;s thinking, then the judge worked hard to ignore the evidence to be able to claim Ravi didn&#8217;t hate Clementi but acted out of &#8220;insensitivity&#8221;.  And I don&#8217;t accept the judge&#8217;s implicit false dilemma that lets Ravi substantially off the hook if he doesn&#8217;t feel hatred.  Contempt and callousness are each probably more common among anti-gay bigots than is hatred.  Either emotion could motivate someone to commit worse crimes than Ravi&#8217;s in this case.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m against deportation for Ravi, too, but for a different reason than anyone here has stated so far:  India doesn&#8217;t deserve this little creep either, and since he commit his crimes here, he&#8217;s our problem to deal with.</p>

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		<title>Comment on Dharun Ravi Sentenced to 30 Days in Jail by Lord_Byron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lord_Byron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 04:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"But at the heart of this is, I think, what Ravi viewed as a prank."

So what? He considered it a harmless prank and that makes it ok? So you would be perfectly ok with your roommate hooking up a webcamera and twice broadcast the fact that you are going to have sex to whoever wants to watch? Invasion of privacy is a crime and that is what he was prosecuted for. He was not charged in the suicide, but 30 days is just plain BS. 

It may be vindictive, and yes i wasn't personally effected by this, but I hope he suffers for the rest of his life because of what he did. It doesn't even sound like he has any remorse for what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But at the heart of this is, I think, what Ravi viewed as a prank.&#8221;</p>
<p>So what? He considered it a harmless prank and that makes it ok? So you would be perfectly ok with your roommate hooking up a webcamera and twice broadcast the fact that you are going to have sex to whoever wants to watch? Invasion of privacy is a crime and that is what he was prosecuted for. He was not charged in the suicide, but 30 days is just plain BS. </p>
<p>It may be vindictive, and yes i wasn&#8217;t personally effected by this, but I hope he suffers for the rest of his life because of what he did. It doesn&#8217;t even sound like he has any remorse for what he did.</p>

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		<title>Comment on Dharun Ravi Sentenced to 30 Days in Jail by Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 04:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Timothy. That's exactly how I feel about it. I couldn't add a word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Timothy. That&#8217;s exactly how I feel about it. I couldn&#8217;t add a word.</p>

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		<title>Comment on Dharun Ravi Sentenced to 30 Days in Jail by Leonard</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/05/21/44732/comment-page-1#comment-124104</link>
		<dc:creator>Leonard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 02:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am frankly disturbed by this sentence. In Arizona, a 30-day jail sentence is the penalty for a class 3 misdemeanor. That is the lowest class misdemeanor crime in this state (except for a petty offense, which does not carry any incarceration). I do not believe engaging in any behavior leading -- neglegently, recklessly, or carelessly -- to the death of another, even if that death at that third person's own hand, should not be punished as a misdemeanor.

And then for crimes of tampering with evidence, witness tampering, and hindering prosecution -- acts which occured after Tyler Clementi's death? 30 days? DAYS? Puh-leeze? This is a MISDEMEANOR-LEVEL term to jail!

Under N.J. Stat. § 2C:43-6(a)(2), a Crime in the Second Degree is punishable by a term between five and ten years in prison. Those letters and pleas to the court must have been REAL good to get the sentence down from five years to 30 days. Damn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am frankly disturbed by this sentence. In Arizona, a 30-day jail sentence is the penalty for a class 3 misdemeanor. That is the lowest class misdemeanor crime in this state (except for a petty offense, which does not carry any incarceration). I do not believe engaging in any behavior leading &#8212; neglegently, recklessly, or carelessly &#8212; to the death of another, even if that death at that third person&#8217;s own hand, should not be punished as a misdemeanor.</p>
<p>And then for crimes of tampering with evidence, witness tampering, and hindering prosecution &#8212; acts which occured after Tyler Clementi&#8217;s death? 30 days? DAYS? Puh-leeze? This is a MISDEMEANOR-LEVEL term to jail!</p>
<p>Under N.J. Stat. § 2C:43-6(a)(2), a Crime in the Second Degree is punishable by a term between five and ten years in prison. Those letters and pleas to the court must have been REAL good to get the sentence down from five years to 30 days. Damn!</p>

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		<title>Comment on Robert Spitzer in NY Times, NPR by Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/05/21/44745/comment-page-1#comment-124103</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 02:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTB:  Where you go to read next month's news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTB:  Where you go to read next month&#8217;s news.</p>

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		<title>Comment on Dharun Ravi Sentenced to 30 Days in Jail by Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 00:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think justice was served. I don't like Ravi's attitude and refusal to take responsibility for what he did wrong, but ultimately, it's not his fault Tyler killed himself. His punishment for evidence tampering and spying is appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think justice was served. I don&#8217;t like Ravi&#8217;s attitude and refusal to take responsibility for what he did wrong, but ultimately, it&#8217;s not his fault Tyler killed himself. His punishment for evidence tampering and spying is appropriate.</p>

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		<title>Comment on Dharun Ravi Sentenced to 30 Days in Jail by Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 23:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that everyone has their own ideas about what the proper sentence for Ravi should be.  Frankly, I think the judge got it about right.  

What we need to work toward is letting gay teenagers know that they are just as normal as straight teenagers, and to stand proud of who they are. And, to get them a support system while they are teenagers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that everyone has their own ideas about what the proper sentence for Ravi should be.  Frankly, I think the judge got it about right.  </p>
<p>What we need to work toward is letting gay teenagers know that they are just as normal as straight teenagers, and to stand proud of who they are. And, to get them a support system while they are teenagers.</p>

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		<title>Comment on Dharun Ravi Sentenced to 30 Days in Jail by tavdy79</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/05/21/44732/comment-page-1#comment-124098</link>
		<dc:creator>tavdy79</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 23:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd have thought thirty days would be short in the UK, and British sentencing is ordinarily far less punitive than American sentencing. This side of the Atlantic, a sentence this light could potentially place Ravi at risk of retaliation from people who thought he should have received a heavier sentence.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes Tyler felt perhaps more violated than might a jock who scored with any cheap drunk girl he could get his paws on. And most of that is related to society’s base level of homophobia. But I don’t think that Ravi should be jailed for the culture’s bias.

 -- Timothy Kincaid&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Part of the reason the situation was sensationalised by Ravi was the fact that Clementi was with a guy, not a girl. That makes homophobic tittilation, and therefore society's endemic homophobia, central to Ravi's motivation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have thought thirty days would be short in the UK, and British sentencing is ordinarily far less punitive than American sentencing. This side of the Atlantic, a sentence this light could potentially place Ravi at risk of retaliation from people who thought he should have received a heavier sentence.</p>
<blockquote><p>Yes Tyler felt perhaps more violated than might a jock who scored with any cheap drunk girl he could get his paws on. And most of that is related to society’s base level of homophobia. But I don’t think that Ravi should be jailed for the culture’s bias.</p>
<p> &#8212; Timothy Kincaid</p></blockquote>
<p>Part of the reason the situation was sensationalised by Ravi was the fact that Clementi was with a guy, not a girl. That makes homophobic tittilation, and therefore society&#8217;s endemic homophobia, central to Ravi&#8217;s motivation.</p>

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		<title>Comment on Dharun Ravi Sentenced to 30 Days in Jail by StraightGrandmother</title>
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		<dc:creator>StraightGrandmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 22:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really liked Andrews closing paragraph. Where he talked about redemption. 

I have an opinion about most things, but I don't about this. As a mother I think for a few minutes what if Tyler was my son, then I think a few minutes more and think what if Ravi was my son. I'll have to leave it to the rest of you to talk about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really liked Andrews closing paragraph. Where he talked about redemption. </p>
<p>I have an opinion about most things, but I don&#8217;t about this. As a mother I think for a few minutes what if Tyler was my son, then I think a few minutes more and think what if Ravi was my son. I&#8217;ll have to leave it to the rest of you to talk about this.</p>

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		<title>Comment on Dharun Ravi Sentenced to 30 Days in Jail by TampaZeke</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2012/05/21/44732/comment-page-1#comment-124095</link>
		<dc:creator>TampaZeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 22:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy, you really don't see the difference between spying on a straight date and a gay date between gay men who are not completely out?  REALLY?

The difference in ramifications between the two are enormous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy, you really don&#8217;t see the difference between spying on a straight date and a gay date between gay men who are not completely out?  REALLY?</p>
<p>The difference in ramifications between the two are enormous.</p>

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