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		<description>[...] Sunday, overcast with the temperatures in the high 60′s, I head out to Boulder Creek by Eben G. Fine park to do a little fly fishing. I quickly started picking off a number [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Women’s Fly Fishing Gear; Not Quite an Adventure in Entrepreneurship by Dan Corbett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Corbett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Judith,

There definitely is a market; as a group women spend ~$20 million USD on fly fishing soft goods alone. That said I suspect a large portion of that spend is on equipment designed for men. It is very difficult for a retail store to stock an equal amount of gear for women when women are making up only 10-15% of customers and without the stores being willing to stock it, manufacturers are reluctant to develop more gear. 

There is actually a decent amount of gear available for women, it is just hard to find in one place. Without having a readily available and better fitting alternative the manufacturer will not see the drop in sales that would force them to innovate. As of today I think the best option would be an online store that offers a selection of women's gear from a variety of manufacturers, not just the one item found in many fly shops.   

All this considered I suspect that fly fishing will see a surge similar to women's mountain biking; 5-10 years ago you could barely find any gear (bikes or clothes) specifically for female riders. Today, while still not 1:1 men's to women's, there is an excellent selection from an array of manufacturers at local bike shops. Keep telling people about your needs, specifically at the fly shop level. Once they see the increased demand (and lost sales) the shops will be asking for more options from the manufacturers.

-Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Judith,</p>
<p>There definitely is a market; as a group women spend ~$20 million USD on fly fishing soft goods alone. That said I suspect a large portion of that spend is on equipment designed for men. It is very difficult for a retail store to stock an equal amount of gear for women when women are making up only 10-15% of customers and without the stores being willing to stock it, manufacturers are reluctant to develop more gear. </p>
<p>There is actually a decent amount of gear available for women, it is just hard to find in one place. Without having a readily available and better fitting alternative the manufacturer will not see the drop in sales that would force them to innovate. As of today I think the best option would be an online store that offers a selection of women&#8217;s gear from a variety of manufacturers, not just the one item found in many fly shops.   </p>
<p>All this considered I suspect that fly fishing will see a surge similar to women&#8217;s mountain biking; 5-10 years ago you could barely find any gear (bikes or clothes) specifically for female riders. Today, while still not 1:1 men&#8217;s to women&#8217;s, there is an excellent selection from an array of manufacturers at local bike shops. Keep telling people about your needs, specifically at the fly shop level. Once they see the increased demand (and lost sales) the shops will be asking for more options from the manufacturers.</p>
<p>-Dan</p>
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		<title>Comment on Women’s Fly Fishing Gear; Not Quite an Adventure in Entrepreneurship by judith</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just stumbled across this-I have been on about this for about 5yrs now and the the answer is always there is no market.....There is a market and I will certainly purchase.
Great comment about accurate sizing as well. Wright and McGill make good waders for womens with a variety of sizing for different shapes.   
Nothing fits -a major gripe is boots-the women's are just flimsey versions WHY? ,I klutz around in men's sizes .
Shirts the pockets disappear WHY ?
We just want the same gear but modified to fit. 
The corks on rods especially the saltwater large weight-not easy, I am sure Joan had hers modified and made for her. 
If you think women have a hard time in the USA try Australia-impossible!! there is nothing.
Please help us
Judith</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just stumbled across this-I have been on about this for about 5yrs now and the the answer is always there is no market&#8230;..There is a market and I will certainly purchase.<br />
Great comment about accurate sizing as well. Wright and McGill make good waders for womens with a variety of sizing for different shapes.<br />
Nothing fits -a major gripe is boots-the women&#8217;s are just flimsey versions WHY? ,I klutz around in men&#8217;s sizes .<br />
Shirts the pockets disappear WHY ?<br />
We just want the same gear but modified to fit.<br />
The corks on rods especially the saltwater large weight-not easy, I am sure Joan had hers modified and made for her.<br />
If you think women have a hard time in the USA try Australia-impossible!! there is nothing.<br />
Please help us<br />
Judith</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 21:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw your post on Field and Stream and had to thank you for at least looking into the need for better women's gear.  By the way, my so-called women's-sized Orvis waders with the huge feet and long legs were purchased on line, because of the two closest fly shops, plus Cabela's and Bass Pro which are also nearby, none had waders even close to my size in stock.  Ordering online has its hazards, at least for gear that needs to fit well.  I found a much better-fitting pair thru Dick's sporting goods that were an attractive aqua color, but now I've outgrown them:  alas.

The needs I see are:  

fishing shirts of the quality of good men's shirts (I'd buy men's small sizes, but stores rarely carry small in men's).  I've bought women's fishing shirts from Bass Pro and Cabela's, and they look like crap after a few washings--even if you take care to wash them in a cold, gentle cycle.   

Packs that don't pile up junk on the bosum --the pack I'm designing would work for men or women, by the way, but it is inspired by the desire not to have stuff all over my chest. Sling packs and waist packs are a great option when you're not wading to your waist, but just won't do in many wading situations. And keep in mind that when someone who is 5'2" is in waist-deep water, six-footers are standing only thigh-deep at the same depth. That's also why I find vests to be unsatisfactory--they are too big to begin with, then end up being soggy and wet around the bottoms.  They're also hot in warm weather.  

ACCURATE sizing and descriptions are needed in all women's clothing, not just sporting goods.  And as others have noted, descriptions need to point out whether boots are sized to allow for a thick pair of socks under the neoprene socks, or whether you need to order a size or two larger.  Does a wader described as fitting a 40" pair of hips have enough room for a heavy insulative layer, or is it a very roomy size that will leave the wearer wallowing in excess fabric?  The lack of useful information like this makes mail 
ordering gear very aggravating.

I haven't found a problem with rods and reels, although I find fishing with my 8 wt to be tiring and prefer my lighter rods.    That's more of a lack of fitness problem than an equipment problem--I just don't do much in my life that prepares me to cast an 8 wt for 8 hours without feeling fatigued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw your post on Field and Stream and had to thank you for at least looking into the need for better women&#8217;s gear.  By the way, my so-called women&#8217;s-sized Orvis waders with the huge feet and long legs were purchased on line, because of the two closest fly shops, plus Cabela&#8217;s and Bass Pro which are also nearby, none had waders even close to my size in stock.  Ordering online has its hazards, at least for gear that needs to fit well.  I found a much better-fitting pair thru Dick&#8217;s sporting goods that were an attractive aqua color, but now I&#8217;ve outgrown them:  alas.</p>
<p>The needs I see are:  </p>
<p>fishing shirts of the quality of good men&#8217;s shirts (I&#8217;d buy men&#8217;s small sizes, but stores rarely carry small in men&#8217;s).  I&#8217;ve bought women&#8217;s fishing shirts from Bass Pro and Cabela&#8217;s, and they look like crap after a few washings&#8211;even if you take care to wash them in a cold, gentle cycle.   </p>
<p>Packs that don&#8217;t pile up junk on the bosum &#8211;the pack I&#8217;m designing would work for men or women, by the way, but it is inspired by the desire not to have stuff all over my chest. Sling packs and waist packs are a great option when you&#8217;re not wading to your waist, but just won&#8217;t do in many wading situations. And keep in mind that when someone who is 5&#8217;2&#8243; is in waist-deep water, six-footers are standing only thigh-deep at the same depth. That&#8217;s also why I find vests to be unsatisfactory&#8211;they are too big to begin with, then end up being soggy and wet around the bottoms.  They&#8217;re also hot in warm weather.  </p>
<p>ACCURATE sizing and descriptions are needed in all women&#8217;s clothing, not just sporting goods.  And as others have noted, descriptions need to point out whether boots are sized to allow for a thick pair of socks under the neoprene socks, or whether you need to order a size or two larger.  Does a wader described as fitting a 40&#8243; pair of hips have enough room for a heavy insulative layer, or is it a very roomy size that will leave the wearer wallowing in excess fabric?  The lack of useful information like this makes mail<br />
ordering gear very aggravating.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t found a problem with rods and reels, although I find fishing with my 8 wt to be tiring and prefer my lighter rods.    That&#8217;s more of a lack of fitness problem than an equipment problem&#8211;I just don&#8217;t do much in my life that prepares me to cast an 8 wt for 8 hours without feeling fatigued.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 02:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jen and welcome to the sport!  While I do not see the distribution channel (yet) being interested enough in another line of female specific gear I am still debating the opportunity for an online store focused exclusively on gear for women.  I suspect that fly fishing would be a bit too niche, but the concept might work if expanded to the general fishing and possibly hunting categories. Have a single outlet for the various manufacturers with a Zappos-esque customer return policy would be interesting. Try to leave a few trout for me on the front range!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jen and welcome to the sport!  While I do not see the distribution channel (yet) being interested enough in another line of female specific gear I am still debating the opportunity for an online store focused exclusively on gear for women.  I suspect that fly fishing would be a bit too niche, but the concept might work if expanded to the general fishing and possibly hunting categories. Have a single outlet for the various manufacturers with a Zappos-esque customer return policy would be interesting. Try to leave a few trout for me on the front range!</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 02:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Erin!

Indeed the women specific gear is less than exciting; for example a lot of the wading boots do not bother adjust for the "generally" narrower foot size of women.  There are plenty of areas for improvement.  That said, I am happy to hear that you have had any problems using the existing gear on the market.  Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Erin!</p>
<p>Indeed the women specific gear is less than exciting; for example a lot of the wading boots do not bother adjust for the &#8220;generally&#8221; narrower foot size of women.  There are plenty of areas for improvement.  That said, I am happy to hear that you have had any problems using the existing gear on the market.  Cheers!</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice box review. I think I'm going to have to check one of these out myself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice box review. I think I&#8217;m going to have to check one of these out myself!</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 21:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw your post linked back from Project Fly Fish today and I wanted to leave my comment here as well: I would like to say that I'm one of those women who would like more women specific gear. While I don't agree with 'shrink it and pink it', and prefer neutral colors myself, I would like gear that is more fitting for curves and breasts, and is comfortable and functional for the purposes of fly fishing. I don't want to just settle for men's gear as I find it mostly uncomfortable and unflattering. For some women this is a non-factor, but for me, being new to the sport and having to spend money to gear up, I would like to spend my money on things I'm going to love and be happy with. I have also come across men's gear that I've wanted to try and would be happy with stylewise, but it's just not small enough for me, which has been frustrating as well. My two cents :) Interesting survey for sure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw your post linked back from Project Fly Fish today and I wanted to leave my comment here as well: I would like to say that I&#8217;m one of those women who would like more women specific gear. While I don&#8217;t agree with &#8216;shrink it and pink it&#8217;, and prefer neutral colors myself, I would like gear that is more fitting for curves and breasts, and is comfortable and functional for the purposes of fly fishing. I don&#8217;t want to just settle for men&#8217;s gear as I find it mostly uncomfortable and unflattering. For some women this is a non-factor, but for me, being new to the sport and having to spend money to gear up, I would like to spend my money on things I&#8217;m going to love and be happy with. I have also come across men&#8217;s gear that I&#8217;ve wanted to try and would be happy with stylewise, but it&#8217;s just not small enough for me, which has been frustrating as well. My two cents <img src='http://www.climbtrees.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Interesting survey for sure!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Erin Block</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very good friend of mine runs a shop here in Boulder Colorado, and feels very much the same as the shops you talked to. Namely, that carrying women specific gear loses the shop money. There isn't enough of a customer base to make it worth his while and make business sense (for him or the manufacturers). From what I've seen, most of the "women specific" gear is simply a "shrink and pink" version of the male. As a woman, I fish with all male-gear (waders, etc.) as a result. And it doesn't bother me a bit. Very interesting study and survey here....thanks for doing it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very good friend of mine runs a shop here in Boulder Colorado, and feels very much the same as the shops you talked to. Namely, that carrying women specific gear loses the shop money. There isn&#8217;t enough of a customer base to make it worth his while and make business sense (for him or the manufacturers). From what I&#8217;ve seen, most of the &#8220;women specific&#8221; gear is simply a &#8220;shrink and pink&#8221; version of the male. As a woman, I fish with all male-gear (waders, etc.) as a result. And it doesn&#8217;t bother me a bit. Very interesting study and survey here&#8230;.thanks for doing it!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Erin Block</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a few of the UPG Daytrippers (used for many high country lakes and streams this past season)...and a streamer box too. A great line of products! Nice review!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a few of the UPG Daytrippers (used for many high country lakes and streams this past season)&#8230;and a streamer box too. A great line of products! Nice review!</p>
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