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		<title>Comment on What have we done to Christianity.. by Ellopos Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To build upon your merry feelings, I think that in any case we can not speak about Catholics needing conversion to Orthodoxy or the opposite - not even of Protestants needing conversion. Conversion means an abandonment of something and a complete change - while Christianity needs, I think, &lt;b&gt;enrichment&lt;/b&gt;, an enrichment that is not anything exotic, just a simple (and in the West forgotten more or less) demand to not have a faith of words and in words, but a living faith, a getting nearer to God, a meeting with Christ right here right now - or, at least, to not feel comfortable as long as this meeting is not happening. But we, on the contrary, have so many things to do, so many jobs, so many projects, so many ambitions and wishes - we don't have time or desire for Him. Is it then strange that He remains away from us, as if He did not exist?

Thanks for your interesting comments and your kind remarks for the Blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To build upon your merry feelings, I think that in any case we can not speak about Catholics needing conversion to Orthodoxy or the opposite - not even of Protestants needing conversion. Conversion means an abandonment of something and a complete change - while Christianity needs, I think, <b>enrichment</b>, an enrichment that is not anything exotic, just a simple (and in the West forgotten more or less) demand to not have a faith of words and in words, but a living faith, a getting nearer to God, a meeting with Christ right here right now - or, at least, to not feel comfortable as long as this meeting is not happening. But we, on the contrary, have so many things to do, so many jobs, so many projects, so many ambitions and wishes - we don&#8217;t have time or desire for Him. Is it then strange that He remains away from us, as if He did not exist?</p>
<p>Thanks for your interesting comments and your kind remarks for the Blog.</p>

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		<title>Comment on What is the problem with the Trinity? by david lee parker</title>
		<link>http://www.ellopos.com/blog/?p=380&amp;cpage=1#comment-16432</link>
		<dc:creator>david lee parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 15:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"But all of these things are closed in a darkness, away from impious people."  --My last comment of the day, promise.  I love this sentence.  If God could be proven by, say, a logical proof, He would be God only of logicians.  God however is equally accessible to the normal, the autistic (like me), the mentally retarded (hope that's not too un-PC); the last words Alzheimer's victims often remember are the words of the Our Father: no human is as democratic as God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But all of these things are closed in a darkness, away from impious people.&#8221;  &#8211;My last comment of the day, promise.  I love this sentence.  If God could be proven by, say, a logical proof, He would be God only of logicians.  God however is equally accessible to the normal, the autistic (like me), the mentally retarded (hope that&#8217;s not too un-PC); the last words Alzheimer&#8217;s victims often remember are the words of the Our Father: no human is as democratic as God.</p>

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		<title>Comment on What have we done to Christianity.. by david lee parker</title>
		<link>http://www.ellopos.com/blog/?p=383&amp;cpage=1#comment-16431</link>
		<dc:creator>david lee parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 15:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The earliest example of this feeling in the West that I know of is Adolf von Harnack (1851–1930), Lutheran theologian.  He believed the Church had shipwrecked on the rocks of Hellenism quite early: with the opening verses of the Gospel of John.  Before that in his view Christianity had been pure and true to its Hebraic roots, for what? ... 50-70 years?  Lutheranism, of course, under his guidance, would effect a correction (I haven't seen it).  Cardinal John Henry Newman wrote about the development of doctrine, which is just a phrase for the ongoing revelation by the Holy Spirit to His people of their own and His Sacred Tradition.  It can look from the outside like syncretism, and I'm sorry to say that Harnack and your blogger you link to are, largely, outside the fold.  In a similar vein to Newman, Justin Martyr thought highly of his fellow philosophers, judging them to have their share of God's revelation which was becoming perfect in the Church.  His comtemporary Tatian held what would become Harnack's view, and became a heretic.  Tertullian would later gloat over the prospect of philosophers burning in the Judgment; he also died out of the Church to become a Montanist.  Without any genetic relationship, bad ideas will recur.  Our human repertoire seems sadly limited.

I know you dislike the Catholic overreliance on Reason (I, Catholic, deplore it too, and am grateful I need only believe the dogmas, the body of which is quite small).  But that overreliance is simply the healthy attitude of Justin Martyr hypertrophied.  A far more traditional and numerous Catholic Church is doing very well in Africa and Asia; our future lies there, not in North America or Europe.  The Catholic Church: always going wrong, always effecting some very good course correction (with help from above).

Lest you think you smell a fish, I have no wish to convert you.  You have the Sacraments, the Apostolic succession.  I love John Paul II, but he had a complex.  I think the Orthodox Churches, the Church of the East also, the Thomasine Church in Kerala and probably others are doing quite well.  Thank you for your work on the web.  It's the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The earliest example of this feeling in the West that I know of is Adolf von Harnack (1851–1930), Lutheran theologian.  He believed the Church had shipwrecked on the rocks of Hellenism quite early: with the opening verses of the Gospel of John.  Before that in his view Christianity had been pure and true to its Hebraic roots, for what? &#8230; 50-70 years?  Lutheranism, of course, under his guidance, would effect a correction (I haven&#8217;t seen it).  Cardinal John Henry Newman wrote about the development of doctrine, which is just a phrase for the ongoing revelation by the Holy Spirit to His people of their own and His Sacred Tradition.  It can look from the outside like syncretism, and I&#8217;m sorry to say that Harnack and your blogger you link to are, largely, outside the fold.  In a similar vein to Newman, Justin Martyr thought highly of his fellow philosophers, judging them to have their share of God&#8217;s revelation which was becoming perfect in the Church.  His comtemporary Tatian held what would become Harnack&#8217;s view, and became a heretic.  Tertullian would later gloat over the prospect of philosophers burning in the Judgment; he also died out of the Church to become a Montanist.  Without any genetic relationship, bad ideas will recur.  Our human repertoire seems sadly limited.</p>
<p>I know you dislike the Catholic overreliance on Reason (I, Catholic, deplore it too, and am grateful I need only believe the dogmas, the body of which is quite small).  But that overreliance is simply the healthy attitude of Justin Martyr hypertrophied.  A far more traditional and numerous Catholic Church is doing very well in Africa and Asia; our future lies there, not in North America or Europe.  The Catholic Church: always going wrong, always effecting some very good course correction (with help from above).</p>
<p>Lest you think you smell a fish, I have no wish to convert you.  You have the Sacraments, the Apostolic succession.  I love John Paul II, but he had a complex.  I think the Orthodox Churches, the Church of the East also, the Thomasine Church in Kerala and probably others are doing quite well.  Thank you for your work on the web.  It&#8217;s the best.</p>

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		<dc:creator>david lee parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The american dream means that public life will be the life of a company, while anyone enclosed in one’s own home can believe whatever, do and be whatever, etc."  --Right on!  I grew up in the mountains of North Carolina, rural Appalachia, neither "America" in the way the Northeast or Midwest are nor is it the "South."  Very much a, now lost and dead, ethos and ethnos there (I'm only beginning my Greek, hope those words were the right choices).  But I remember it and it was not like today, where all life can be like work, where everywhere you look is the ugliness of the real estate developer.  Thanks for your blog, your website and your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The american dream means that public life will be the life of a company, while anyone enclosed in one’s own home can believe whatever, do and be whatever, etc.&#8221;  &#8211;Right on!  I grew up in the mountains of North Carolina, rural Appalachia, neither &#8220;America&#8221; in the way the Northeast or Midwest are nor is it the &#8220;South.&#8221;  Very much a, now lost and dead, ethos and ethnos there (I&#8217;m only beginning my Greek, hope those words were the right choices).  But I remember it and it was not like today, where all life can be like work, where everywhere you look is the ugliness of the real estate developer.  Thanks for your blog, your website and your comment.</p>

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		<title>Comment on Multiculturalism is ignorance and ugliness by Ellopos Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellopos Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Adin, there is no question of open mindedness; perhaps I did not make myself clear enough. Is Christ just a prophet (and a stupid prophet at that!, since He considered Himself not a prophet, but the Son of God?) You need to accept (even the possibility of) these beliefs in order to have an open mind? What is it exactly that you mean by open-mindedness? 

Again, there is no question of loving people who think not only differently, but even those who are in error. It is another thing to love them, and a completely different thing to follow their error or let our societies be formed after errors. The example of Christ and the Samaritan as a multicultural attitude is inaccurate, since Christ did not endorse the Samaritan culture but a personal character. On the contrary, He said about the Old Testament that not even a word of it will be abolished. What are you going to think for Muslims who made a joke out of both the Old and the New Testaments? Are you open-minded if you baptize their 'adaptation' of Christianity as just "different customs"?

Multiculturalism is not to discern possible partial truths in different beliefs and religions. Multiculturalism is to deny that there exist hierarchies between cultures, multiculturalism is to deny that there exist superior and inferior cultures, multiculturalism is to deny that a culture can be closer to truth than other cultures. Thus, a multicultural state or policy, since it lacks a measure of truth, will be in the society a force of relativism. Relativism is not tolerance, nor open-mindedness. Relativism is stopping searching for truth, is to accept that truth exists everywhere and nowhere - an absurd condition that prepares indifference and nihilism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Adin, there is no question of open mindedness; perhaps I did not make myself clear enough. Is Christ just a prophet (and a stupid prophet at that!, since He considered Himself not a prophet, but the Son of God?) You need to accept (even the possibility of) these beliefs in order to have an open mind? What is it exactly that you mean by open-mindedness? </p>
<p>Again, there is no question of loving people who think not only differently, but even those who are in error. It is another thing to love them, and a completely different thing to follow their error or let our societies be formed after errors. The example of Christ and the Samaritan as a multicultural attitude is inaccurate, since Christ did not endorse the Samaritan culture but a personal character. On the contrary, He said about the Old Testament that not even a word of it will be abolished. What are you going to think for Muslims who made a joke out of both the Old and the New Testaments? Are you open-minded if you baptize their &#8216;adaptation&#8217; of Christianity as just &#8220;different customs&#8221;?</p>
<p>Multiculturalism is not to discern possible partial truths in different beliefs and religions. Multiculturalism is to deny that there exist hierarchies between cultures, multiculturalism is to deny that there exist superior and inferior cultures, multiculturalism is to deny that a culture can be closer to truth than other cultures. Thus, a multicultural state or policy, since it lacks a measure of truth, will be in the society a force of relativism. Relativism is not tolerance, nor open-mindedness. Relativism is stopping searching for truth, is to accept that truth exists everywhere and nowhere - an absurd condition that prepares indifference and nihilism.</p>

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		<title>Comment on Multiculturalism is ignorance and ugliness by Adin Eichler</title>
		<link>http://www.ellopos.com/blog/?p=932&amp;cpage=1#comment-16428</link>
		<dc:creator>Adin Eichler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very much admire Hellenic culture as well as the early Christian Church that sprouted in Greek-speaking lands. Their axioms underlie our Western view of what it means to be human. Out of that view grew notions of tolerance and multiculturalism. For example, consider how our Lord Jesus in the parable of the Good Samaritan taught that even someone from a despised people with whom we disagree even on fundamental theological issues still harbors within himself a goodness that we would do well to imitate. He did not thereby say that everyone should subscribe to Samaritan beliefs, but He did set a tone of tolerance: a hallmark of theosis. 

The great Aristotle once said, "For though we love both the truth and our friends, piety requires us to honor the truth first." I hold dear our Western civilization and our Christian faith, yet an essential part of that tradition behooves us to be open-minded and loving of those who think differently and cherish other customs. Our tolerant of others' ways does not at all undermine us but rather makes us even stronger; again I cite Aristotle: "Character may almost be called the most effective means of persuasion."

Just my humble opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much admire Hellenic culture as well as the early Christian Church that sprouted in Greek-speaking lands. Their axioms underlie our Western view of what it means to be human. Out of that view grew notions of tolerance and multiculturalism. For example, consider how our Lord Jesus in the parable of the Good Samaritan taught that even someone from a despised people with whom we disagree even on fundamental theological issues still harbors within himself a goodness that we would do well to imitate. He did not thereby say that everyone should subscribe to Samaritan beliefs, but He did set a tone of tolerance: a hallmark of theosis. </p>
<p>The great Aristotle once said, &#8220;For though we love both the truth and our friends, piety requires us to honor the truth first.&#8221; I hold dear our Western civilization and our Christian faith, yet an essential part of that tradition behooves us to be open-minded and loving of those who think differently and cherish other customs. Our tolerant of others&#8217; ways does not at all undermine us but rather makes us even stronger; again I cite Aristotle: &#8220;Character may almost be called the most effective means of persuasion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just my humble opinion.</p>

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		<title>Comment on A culture can not be complete without real faith by Ellopos Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.ellopos.com/blog/?p=894&amp;cpage=1#comment-16426</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellopos Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 19:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sylvain, you are right if 'spiritual vacuum' is absolute. If we recall the European history, it is full of artists that were almost martyrs, creating in the margin of an indifferent society. Remember even the prophets in old Israel, even murdered sometimes. Yet artists (or the prophets) were not "absolutely" alone. There must be a degree of interaction of the creators with the society for spiritual creation to occur. This degree can be so low, that creativity seems a pure miracle - but some degree of course is necessary. We can not expect a Rilke in Afganistan, nor would Rilke exist in the German speaking culture if this culture was identical with the history of nazism. The same with Papacy; we wouldn't spend our time writing about Papacy, if it was identical with burning people, selling absolution, etc. It is precisely because the Catholic world has an important culture that we emphasize the problems and try to contribute in its becoming even better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sylvain, you are right if &#8217;spiritual vacuum&#8217; is absolute. If we recall the European history, it is full of artists that were almost martyrs, creating in the margin of an indifferent society. Remember even the prophets in old Israel, even murdered sometimes. Yet artists (or the prophets) were not &#8220;absolutely&#8221; alone. There must be a degree of interaction of the creators with the society for spiritual creation to occur. This degree can be so low, that creativity seems a pure miracle - but some degree of course is necessary. We can not expect a Rilke in Afganistan, nor would Rilke exist in the German speaking culture if this culture was identical with the history of nazism. The same with Papacy; we wouldn&#8217;t spend our time writing about Papacy, if it was identical with burning people, selling absolution, etc. It is precisely because the Catholic world has an important culture that we emphasize the problems and try to contribute in its becoming even better.</p>

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		<title>Comment on A culture can not be complete without real faith by Sylvain</title>
		<link>http://www.ellopos.com/blog/?p=894&amp;cpage=1#comment-16425</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylvain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 17:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I re-read your post, I cannot find much to say or add, because I think you are essentially right. This remainds me of Plato's words: "For in this way God would seem to indicate to us and not allow us to doubt that these beautiful poems are not human, or the work of man, but divine and the work of God; and that the poets are only the interpeters of the Gods by whom they severally possessed." These interpreters in turn communicate to their public, who is swayed in a similar way. The question is, Can such artists truly exist if society in general does not care for them or their creation? Can artistic and cultural production live and exist in a 'spiritual vacuum' where they have little or no effect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I re-read your post, I cannot find much to say or add, because I think you are essentially right. This remainds me of Plato&#8217;s words: &#8220;For in this way God would seem to indicate to us and not allow us to doubt that these beautiful poems are not human, or the work of man, but divine and the work of God; and that the poets are only the interpeters of the Gods by whom they severally possessed.&#8221; These interpreters in turn communicate to their public, who is swayed in a similar way. The question is, Can such artists truly exist if society in general does not care for them or their creation? Can artistic and cultural production live and exist in a &#8217;spiritual vacuum&#8217; where they have little or no effect?</p>

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		<title>Comment on Learning Greek without reason! by Vasiliki Didaskalou</title>
		<link>http://www.ellopos.com/blog/?p=883&amp;cpage=1#comment-16422</link>
		<dc:creator>Vasiliki Didaskalou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 03:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least you didnt have to go into a discussion about the translation of "adelfos" into the English (not so generous) word of "brother" ... then you really would have had some fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least you didnt have to go into a discussion about the translation of &#8220;adelfos&#8221; into the English (not so generous) word of &#8220;brother&#8221; &#8230; then you really would have had some fun!</p>

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		<title>Comment on Koran – the invention of an artificial religion by Ellopos Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.ellopos.com/blog/?p=107&amp;cpage=3#comment-16421</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellopos Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 07:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all I'd like again to congratulate you on your will to communicate. On these matters I receive many letters, especially from Turks, even cursing me to burn in hell for all eternity!, etc, letters, of course, that are not published, - and then I'm accused for censorship. Regular visitors of Ellopos sites know very well that I don't do censorship, that I just don't confuse discussion with shouting and curses. Therefore, thanks for your letters, and let's see your last one.

You don't offer "plenty of proof" of muslim contributions to culture. On the contrary. Averroes and in general the muslim commentators of Aristotle offered to culture whatever they offered, &lt;i&gt;not as muslims but as commentators of Aristotle&lt;/i&gt;. Do you see the difference? You can not even say that this proves the muslim's openness to learning, since their example had no continuation, and later muslim generations until today have a little, insignificant, or none at all interest in Greek philosophy, especially as regards the theological side of it. Averroes etc are not even necessary to a student of Greek philosophy; their contribution, even considered not as a muslim one, but just as a side of the influences of Greek culture, is not significant. Perhaps you hold them in a greater esteem, - however, no matter how valuable we agree they were, you still can not use them as symbols of muslim culture, since their attitude does not characterize Islam as such. It was temporary and marginal.

As for Ibn Khaldun, it was him that said, “Watch how all the countries of the world, when conquered by Arabs, saw their civilization being destroyed, their population scattered, even the earth of their ground being transformed obviously!”

We agree somehow on the difference that you see between Turks and other muslims, yet, if our criteria become more demanding, this difference does not remain that great.

What you say about muslim tolerance can be proved in various times and places, but it is not valid at other times and places. It is important also to notice the reason of this tolerance, most often being the profit from special taxes imposed to "non-believers", and also is important to see the limits of the tolerance, most often, if not always, excluding "non-believers" from political power, prohibiting their education, impeding their economical growth..., even practically treating them as complete slaves. 

When the Byzantines said that occupation by Turks would be better than occupation by Catholics they did not mean that Turks had a superior culture to that of the Catholics. On the contrary, they preferred the Turks precisely because of the difference and inferiority of their muslim culture, this way avoiding the danger of the Orthodox being to any degree seduced by the similarity of the Catholic to the Orthodox culture, and, under the difficulties of an occupation, forced to become Catholics. They knew also about the religious tolerance they were going to have, so long as the Ottoman state was interested more in money than in conversion of the "infidels" to Islam.

As for the sub-saharan Africa, I never said that *all the underdeveloped and inhuman regimes are muslim. But don't forget that Islam is very active even there. Perhaps you don't have accurate information. Senegal, Gambia and Niger have 75 to 90% of the population muslim. Mali, Sierra Leone, Chad, Sudan, from 50 to 75%. Guinea, Burkina Faso, Nigeria and Tanzania 25 to 50%. But the traditional African religions of course are no better than Islam. Yet, even them, at least are religions, no matter how false or inferior - not fabricated ideologies. I emphasize that, because you failed to answer to the main point of this blog post, that Koran is an invented ideological product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all I&#8217;d like again to congratulate you on your will to communicate. On these matters I receive many letters, especially from Turks, even cursing me to burn in hell for all eternity!, etc, letters, of course, that are not published, - and then I&#8217;m accused for censorship. Regular visitors of Ellopos sites know very well that I don&#8217;t do censorship, that I just don&#8217;t confuse discussion with shouting and curses. Therefore, thanks for your letters, and let&#8217;s see your last one.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t offer &#8220;plenty of proof&#8221; of muslim contributions to culture. On the contrary. Averroes and in general the muslim commentators of Aristotle offered to culture whatever they offered, <i>not as muslims but as commentators of Aristotle</i>. Do you see the difference? You can not even say that this proves the muslim&#8217;s openness to learning, since their example had no continuation, and later muslim generations until today have a little, insignificant, or none at all interest in Greek philosophy, especially as regards the theological side of it. Averroes etc are not even necessary to a student of Greek philosophy; their contribution, even considered not as a muslim one, but just as a side of the influences of Greek culture, is not significant. Perhaps you hold them in a greater esteem, - however, no matter how valuable we agree they were, you still can not use them as symbols of muslim culture, since their attitude does not characterize Islam as such. It was temporary and marginal.</p>
<p>As for Ibn Khaldun, it was him that said, “Watch how all the countries of the world, when conquered by Arabs, saw their civilization being destroyed, their population scattered, even the earth of their ground being transformed obviously!”</p>
<p>We agree somehow on the difference that you see between Turks and other muslims, yet, if our criteria become more demanding, this difference does not remain that great.</p>
<p>What you say about muslim tolerance can be proved in various times and places, but it is not valid at other times and places. It is important also to notice the reason of this tolerance, most often being the profit from special taxes imposed to &#8220;non-believers&#8221;, and also is important to see the limits of the tolerance, most often, if not always, excluding &#8220;non-believers&#8221; from political power, prohibiting their education, impeding their economical growth&#8230;, even practically treating them as complete slaves. </p>
<p>When the Byzantines said that occupation by Turks would be better than occupation by Catholics they did not mean that Turks had a superior culture to that of the Catholics. On the contrary, they preferred the Turks precisely because of the difference and inferiority of their muslim culture, this way avoiding the danger of the Orthodox being to any degree seduced by the similarity of the Catholic to the Orthodox culture, and, under the difficulties of an occupation, forced to become Catholics. They knew also about the religious tolerance they were going to have, so long as the Ottoman state was interested more in money than in conversion of the &#8220;infidels&#8221; to Islam.</p>
<p>As for the sub-saharan Africa, I never said that *all the underdeveloped and inhuman regimes are muslim. But don&#8217;t forget that Islam is very active even there. Perhaps you don&#8217;t have accurate information. Senegal, Gambia and Niger have 75 to 90% of the population muslim. Mali, Sierra Leone, Chad, Sudan, from 50 to 75%. Guinea, Burkina Faso, Nigeria and Tanzania 25 to 50%. But the traditional African religions of course are no better than Islam. Yet, even them, at least are religions, no matter how false or inferior - not fabricated ideologies. I emphasize that, because you failed to answer to the main point of this blog post, that Koran is an invented ideological product.</p>

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