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		<title>Comment on Moments of Excess by My Top Ten Political Books of 2011 | Book Reviews and Ideas</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Top Ten Political Books of 2011 | Book Reviews and Ideas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2011 16:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Moments of Excess, The Free Association, 2011. This book brings together a series of energetic and illuminating essays written over the course of the authors’ involvement in the alter-globalisation movement. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Moments of Excess, The Free Association, 2011. This book brings together a series of energetic and illuminating essays written over the course of the authors’ involvement in the alter-globalisation movement. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on London Anarchist Bookfair meeting by Cek magdurlari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cek magdurlari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 13:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desiring to be the leader of Muslim countries in the middle east region , Turkish Prime Minister tries to show to the islamic World that he is not indifferent to the “Muslim Somalian People”. He stands up to Israel in order to gain sympathy of Muslim countries.

However, he ignores a part of his citizens who trie to continue their lives under very difficult conditions in Turkey!

Because of the economic crises that have been experienced in Turkey,“bankrupt businessmen live under very difficult conditions”, and they are sought by the courts and police because of their debts.

When these businessmen are caught by the police, they are put into prison for five years. They do not have a prominent address and they constantly change the place they live in order not to be caught by the police. They are unable to receive treatment when they get ill, because in hospitals, the police check whether the person is sought or not by the courts. And if they have a job, they can in no way benefit from social rights since they are unable to make the social security registration.

And the most terrifying result is that “they can not send their children to school”, so the children can not take education. Because the legal residence address information is required for registration to the school. When the address information is given to the school, these information get saved in the address information system and the police comes to catch the wanted person because of his debts.

It is claimed that there are 400 thousand people in Turkey who are sought by the police and other military security forces because of their debts and that 70 thousand businessmen are still being kept in prison for their debts. When these numbers are commented together with the families of the businessmen, it means that there are 1,5 million people living under difficult conditions!

For giving treatment in hospitals, the hospitals sought for the condition that the person has a Social Security Organization registration. And if there is no registration in these security organizations, none of the family members can benefit from the treatment services. Because when a person makes such a registration, his residence address is detected by the police and the person can be caught.

These data means that 20 percent of the population live without social security.

These people are unable to receive treatment in the hospitals, and those of them who find a job work without social security in their work place and they can not send their children to school.

&lt;a href="http://www.cekmagdurlari.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Çek Ma?durlar?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desiring to be the leader of Muslim countries in the middle east region , Turkish Prime Minister tries to show to the islamic World that he is not indifferent to the “Muslim Somalian People”. He stands up to Israel in order to gain sympathy of Muslim countries.</p>
<p>However, he ignores a part of his citizens who trie to continue their lives under very difficult conditions in Turkey!</p>
<p>Because of the economic crises that have been experienced in Turkey,“bankrupt businessmen live under very difficult conditions”, and they are sought by the courts and police because of their debts.</p>
<p>When these businessmen are caught by the police, they are put into prison for five years. They do not have a prominent address and they constantly change the place they live in order not to be caught by the police. They are unable to receive treatment when they get ill, because in hospitals, the police check whether the person is sought or not by the courts. And if they have a job, they can in no way benefit from social rights since they are unable to make the social security registration.</p>
<p>And the most terrifying result is that “they can not send their children to school”, so the children can not take education. Because the legal residence address information is required for registration to the school. When the address information is given to the school, these information get saved in the address information system and the police comes to catch the wanted person because of his debts.</p>
<p>It is claimed that there are 400 thousand people in Turkey who are sought by the police and other military security forces because of their debts and that 70 thousand businessmen are still being kept in prison for their debts. When these numbers are commented together with the families of the businessmen, it means that there are 1,5 million people living under difficult conditions!</p>
<p>For giving treatment in hospitals, the hospitals sought for the condition that the person has a Social Security Organization registration. And if there is no registration in these security organizations, none of the family members can benefit from the treatment services. Because when a person makes such a registration, his residence address is detected by the police and the person can be caught.</p>
<p>These data means that 20 percent of the population live without social security.</p>
<p>These people are unable to receive treatment in the hospitals, and those of them who find a job work without social security in their work place and they can not send their children to school.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cekmagdurlari.com/" rel="nofollow">Çek Ma?durlar?</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Moments of Excess by Magic Moments | freely associating</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magic Moments | freely associating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 20:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] MOMENTS OF EXCESS [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Reading (on) the riot act by Cek Kanunu</title>
		<link>http://freelyassociating.org/2011/08/reading-on-the-riot-act/comment-page-1/#comment-1787</link>
		<dc:creator>Cek Kanunu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is garbage. It blames the wrong people. The High Street today is a battleground. Retailers:

(1) use soft systems such as advertising to persuade us to want things, and
(2) use hard systems such as police to prevent us having things without paying.

The soft systems are very nasty, and include undemining our freedom of thought and choice by for example persuading us that certain things are necessary in order to be socially accepted by our peers. The battleground created by the retailers stops serving them when one of its two parts fails:

if the system of persuasion fails, we don’t want
if the system of prevention fails, we don’t pay

All that happened was that the second event occurred – the police in Tottenham made a mistake – so people were left with the desires created by the retailers without the restraints the retailers relied on. And now the courts – a component of the retailer’s hard systems – are handing out ridiculously severe punishments, and handing them out to the wrong people – to the victims of the retailer’s systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is garbage. It blames the wrong people. The High Street today is a battleground. Retailers:</p>
<p>(1) use soft systems such as advertising to persuade us to want things, and<br />
(2) use hard systems such as police to prevent us having things without paying.</p>
<p>The soft systems are very nasty, and include undemining our freedom of thought and choice by for example persuading us that certain things are necessary in order to be socially accepted by our peers. The battleground created by the retailers stops serving them when one of its two parts fails:</p>
<p>if the system of persuasion fails, we don’t want<br />
if the system of prevention fails, we don’t pay</p>
<p>All that happened was that the second event occurred – the police in Tottenham made a mistake – so people were left with the desires created by the retailers without the restraints the retailers relied on. And now the courts – a component of the retailer’s hard systems – are handing out ridiculously severe punishments, and handing them out to the wrong people – to the victims of the retailer’s systems.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Generation Occupy by keir</title>
		<link>http://freelyassociating.org/2011/11/generation-occupy/comment-page-1/#comment-1773</link>
		<dc:creator>keir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The recent book &lt;a href="http://www.akpress.org/2011/items/opposeandpropose" rel="nofollow"&gt;Oppose and Propose&lt;/a&gt; contains some very useful reflections on the limitations of consensus. The book is a history of the 1970s and 80s US group the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_for_a_New_Society" rel="nofollow"&gt;‘Movement for a New Society’&lt;/a&gt; and what gives these reflections weight is that this group probably did more than any other to spread consensus decision making practice amongst US social movements. The group dissolved itself in 1988 and one of the reasons they gave for dissolution was their inability to develop strategy within their consensus process. All this merely reinforces the experience of the counter-globalisation movement and if we are to avoid the short-circuiting of this problem with lazy reassertions of the party then we would do well to re-call some of the &lt;a href="http://www.openspaceforum.net/twiki/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=266" rel="nofollow"&gt;internal critiques&lt;/a&gt; developed within the horizontal wing of the previous movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The recent book <a href="http://www.akpress.org/2011/items/opposeandpropose" rel="nofollow">Oppose and Propose</a> contains some very useful reflections on the limitations of consensus. The book is a history of the 1970s and 80s US group the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_for_a_New_Society" rel="nofollow">‘Movement for a New Society’</a> and what gives these reflections weight is that this group probably did more than any other to spread consensus decision making practice amongst US social movements. The group dissolved itself in 1988 and one of the reasons they gave for dissolution was their inability to develop strategy within their consensus process. All this merely reinforces the experience of the counter-globalisation movement and if we are to avoid the short-circuiting of this problem with lazy reassertions of the party then we would do well to re-call some of the <a href="http://www.openspaceforum.net/twiki/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=266" rel="nofollow">internal critiques</a> developed within the horizontal wing of the previous movement.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to generate a generation. by Generation Occupy | freely associating</title>
		<link>http://freelyassociating.org/2010/10/how-to-generate-a-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-1772</link>
		<dc:creator>Generation Occupy | freely associating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] air. For us this really became apparent during the period of our article’s incubation. The first draft was written from within the stagnant state of limbo that had reigned since the start of the crisis. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] air. For us this really became apparent during the period of our article&#8217;s incubation. The first draft was written from within the stagnant state of limbo that had reigned since the start of the crisis. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Re:generation by Generation Occupy | freely associating</title>
		<link>http://freelyassociating.org/regeneration/comment-page-1/#comment-1771</link>
		<dc:creator>Generation Occupy | freely associating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Re:generation [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Re:generation [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Clock time and life-time saving by keir</title>
		<link>http://freelyassociating.org/2011/11/clock-time-and-life-time-saving/comment-page-1/#comment-1761</link>
		<dc:creator>keir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 20:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our friend Raph has just pointed us to this new sci-fi film as the logical extention of the structuring of our lives by clock time.



&lt;blockquote&gt;In a not-too-distant future when the aging gene has been switched off, people must pay to stay alive. To avoid overpopulation, time has become the currency and the way people pay for luxuries and necessities. The rich can live forever, while the rest try to negotiate for their immortality.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



&lt;iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/efNzhEKm3w4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our friend Raph has just pointed us to this new sci-fi film as the logical extention of the structuring of our lives by clock time.</p>
<blockquote><p>In a not-too-distant future when the aging gene has been switched off, people must pay to stay alive. To avoid overpopulation, time has become the currency and the way people pay for luxuries and necessities. The rich can live forever, while the rest try to negotiate for their immortality.</p></blockquote>
<p><iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/efNzhEKm3w4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe></p>
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		<title>Comment on Moments of Excess by the nexus of november | sfurbanwanderer</title>
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		<dc:creator>the nexus of november | sfurbanwanderer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 23:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more from the free association, from the piece Re:generation in their book published this year, moments of excess: movements, protest and everyday life. it’s an attempt to explain how we got here, and why we are suddenly taking notice. oh, and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] more from the free association, from the piece Re:generation in their book published this year, moments of excess: movements, protest and everyday life. it&#8217;s an attempt to explain how we got here, and why we are suddenly taking notice. oh, and [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on London Anarchist Bookfair meeting by James Walsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 07:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I half followed that above and the link. And I can't say I more than half agreed with it.

Because I have a whole list of demands.

1. Not to be treated or be expected to become a biological robot. 
2. Not to be treated as a unit of production or consumption.
3. Not be expected to be dull.
4. Not be expected to take my thinking off a shelf. 
5. I'm not looking for a new conformity. That seems to be the hallmark of so called alternative politics.
6. Androids are dreaming of electric sheep- let everyone have a cow or a hose.
7. Children to be taught to think not just taught to learn.
8. No more 'managers'
9. No more being expected to become city rats.  
10.stop trying to replace the people with a more compliant people- as far as I can see capitalism and most so called socialists seem to be on the same page on that one.

I could go on.

As far as I see it- Me and my friends are the ones who live under occuption- and 99% is shit. Campaign to be better treated slaves- but it better not be at mines expense. Because as far as I can see the occupy this and that campaign is a campaign of managers- not a campaign to make us free of being slaves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I half followed that above and the link. And I can&#8217;t say I more than half agreed with it.</p>
<p>Because I have a whole list of demands.</p>
<p>1. Not to be treated or be expected to become a biological robot.<br />
2. Not to be treated as a unit of production or consumption.<br />
3. Not be expected to be dull.<br />
4. Not be expected to take my thinking off a shelf.<br />
5. I&#8217;m not looking for a new conformity. That seems to be the hallmark of so called alternative politics.<br />
6. Androids are dreaming of electric sheep- let everyone have a cow or a hose.<br />
7. Children to be taught to think not just taught to learn.<br />
8. No more &#8216;managers&#8217;<br />
9. No more being expected to become city rats.<br />
10.stop trying to replace the people with a more compliant people- as far as I can see capitalism and most so called socialists seem to be on the same page on that one.</p>
<p>I could go on.</p>
<p>As far as I see it- Me and my friends are the ones who live under occuption- and 99% is shit. Campaign to be better treated slaves- but it better not be at mines expense. Because as far as I can see the occupy this and that campaign is a campaign of managers- not a campaign to make us free of being slaves.</p>
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