You’ve … removed yourself from salvation by the gospel of grace. Not a good move, Mr. Kirk.

That is a statement that a named person, me, is not saved. And that is what I will not allow.

Kate and Robert, this discussion has now gone a long way from the original subject of the post. So please can we stop it here. If you want to continue to discuss legalistic niceties between the two of you, please do it elsewhere.

Where did I say named individuals were not saved? Nowhere.

What about married gay and lesbian couples with children? Is it completely evil and repulsive to the Word of God for them to dissolve their ungodly marriages? Not at all. But it is blasphemous for you to suggest that anyone other than demons rejoice at these evil unions, with or without children. And it’s the angels in heaven and the saints on earth who rejoice when they repent, just as they do when couples in adulterous marriages repent, whether they have children or not. It brings glory to God to put an end to the evil wickedness of adultery.

“When there’s something in the Bible that churches don’t like, they call it ‘legalism.’” (Leonard Ravenhill)

We don’t change the Bible; the Bible changes us. No matter how hard false teachers try, the eternal words and truth of the Lord Jesus Christ on marriage cannot be changed to fit into their perverse definition.

Repentance from habitual sexual sin (or any sin) is not merely feeling sorry, it’s not simply a change in mind or attitude, but it’s wholeheartedly agreeing with God on exactly what sexual sin is and then departing from that sin. Repentance is a radical change in behavior. God’s definition of adultery and homosexuality must be received into one’s mind and heart, with a total rejection of the false definitions of those sins (according to the world and the apostate church), and then changing one’s behavior accordingly.

John Piper has said, “The wonder of marriage is woven into the wonder of the gospel of the cross of Christ, and the message of the cross is foolishness to the natural man, and so the meaning of marriage is foolishness to the natural man” (1 Cor. 2:14).

So true! This is why both adultery and homosexually have been embraced in both the world and the apostate church: God’s definition of marriage as lifelong is foolishness to them.

I do just want to say one thing, that I find your call for people who are happily married (even for the second time), perhaps with young children, to abandon their spouses and families to be completely evil and repulsive to the word of God. It is blasphemous for you to suggest that anyone other than demons rejoice at this. Fortunately in Christ there is forgiveness for this sin, so I am not suggesting that you are not saved.

I know those who’ve been in unfortunate marriages and they soft hearts of flesh, continuing to love and forgive their spouses, regardless of fault. That’s what Jesus and His forgiveness does in the heart if a genuine believer – we’re able to forgive others, especially our spouses, because we have been forgiven by Him. Jesus said unless we forgive those who have sinned against us, we won’t be forgiven.

Jesus said *whosoever* marries the so-called innocent party – the virtuous Proverbs 31 wife who has done nothing wrong but is divorced by a man who wants to marry his much younger secretary – is guilty of adultery. You will have to argue with the Son of God on that one, because He said it, not me. And we all will be judged by all of His words, John 12:44-50.

There is no forgiveness of sin without biblical repentance, without completely forsaking the habitual sin. If you get drunk every day, you must stop drinking. If you shoot heroin daily, you must buying and injecting dope. If you steal money from your neighbor, you don’t just say “I’m sorry,” but you return the money you stole. If a man is living in adultery with his neighbor’s wife, he must end the adulterous marriage with the woman that isn’t his. And this has been happening worldwide for decades – couples living in adulterous marriages are repenting, ending the sinful unions.

So, repentance is not only possible, but the angels in heaven are rejoicing as His sheep are repenting of adultery. Hallelujah!

I am not arguing with Jesus about anything. I am simply disagreeing with Robert’s interpretation of Jesus’ words, and perhaps also with your interpretation. I hope you are not blasphemously considering your fallible interpretation to be the word of God.

As a Christian I don’t want to be on the side of the legalistic, graceless, hardhearted so-called Christians who deny the possibility of repentance and a new start to those who have been in an unfortunate marriage, which has come to an end very often through no fault of their own. These false Christians don’t know God. They have hearts of stone. They are dishing out leaven. And they are still promoting their poisonous teaching on marriage, divorce and remarriage. On this issue I would prefer to have the compassion shown by the Pharisees, which of course was taken from the words which God spoke through Moses.

I don’t mean to offend or insult you in any way, but, although you may not realize it, your confusion on what Jesus taught on MDR and your unscriptural ideas about law and grace are quite apparent in your exchange with Mr. Kan.

Jesus defined adultery in three ways, which can be seen as a progression: (1) the lustful look in Mat 5:27-29 (and we should pluck out our eyes if we are guilty of this), (2) the act itself (John 8:4) and (3) remarriage, the fruit of coveting another man’s wife (Mat 5:32, 19:9; Mark 10:11-12, Luke 16:18).

Anyone who argues with Jesus on His holy definition of adultery has been holden with the cords of his sins, Prov 5:22, and only the truth can set him free.

Divorces only happen when the stubborn wills of men and women take preeminence over the will of God. It’s unforgiving self-seeking, which is against everything Jesus taught.

As Christians, we don’t want to be on the side of the legalistic, graceless, hardhearted Pharisees who thought it was okay to divorce and remarry. Not if we’ve been born again. They didn’t know God. They had hearts of stone. They were dishing out leaven. Their poisonous teaching on marriage, divorce and remarriage is alive and well in the 21st century.

If you’ve been influenced by the pharisaical false doctrine of David Instone-Brewer, please prayerfully restudy the Bible with fasting, and read Dr. McFall’s critique on “Divorce and Remarriage in the Church: Biblical Solutions for Pastoral Realities,” asking God to open your eyes. Also google “Why I Repented of a Marriage that God Called Adulterous” and read all of the e-books and articles on the website:

http://www.marriagedivorce.com/