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		<title>Comment on An Open Letter to the “Real” Occupy Wall Streeters from a Libertarian by Ron P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also your comment about "perverse results" of regulation is key. If only we practiced true capitalism the 1% that ran their banks into the ground would have gone bankrupt and potentially have done perp walks. would have been harsh but more efficient organizations would have bought up the assets and the market would have been Free to recover.  Also this would satisfy the green envy crowd in that any bonuses would potentially clawed back in the case of a bankruptcy filing.  So who's the real crypto-corporatist here?  Looks like President Hope &amp; Change. But isn't that always the way.  Make way for the new boss.  Same as the old boss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also your comment about &#8220;perverse results&#8221; of regulation is key. If only we practiced true capitalism the 1% that ran their banks into the ground would have gone bankrupt and potentially have done perp walks. would have been harsh but more efficient organizations would have bought up the assets and the market would have been Free to recover.  Also this would satisfy the green envy crowd in that any bonuses would potentially clawed back in the case of a bankruptcy filing.  So who&#8217;s the real crypto-corporatist here?  Looks like President Hope &amp; Change. But isn&#8217;t that always the way.  Make way for the new boss.  Same as the old boss.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Open Letter to the “Real” Occupy Wall Streeters from a Libertarian by Ron P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>unfortunately it has been impossible to glean what the protestors want other than they want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unfortunately it has been impossible to glean what the protestors want other than they want.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Open Letter to the “Real” Occupy Wall Streeters from a Libertarian by Ron P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great piece but unfortunately it will be lost on the audience you are addressing.  You are dealing with a group of people that literally believe in magic which is always expressed via emotion, hope and wishes.  A friend of mine terms it the "magic bean" theory of economics - that a certain number of magic beans exist in the world and are distributed unevenly by some force (typically referred to as them or they) and that the fortunate plant the magic beans which yields more magic beans using the soil and tools that the workers "own" - cue Elizabeth Warren.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great piece but unfortunately it will be lost on the audience you are addressing.  You are dealing with a group of people that literally believe in magic which is always expressed via emotion, hope and wishes.  A friend of mine terms it the &#8220;magic bean&#8221; theory of economics &#8211; that a certain number of magic beans exist in the world and are distributed unevenly by some force (typically referred to as them or they) and that the fortunate plant the magic beans which yields more magic beans using the soil and tools that the workers &#8220;own&#8221; &#8211; cue Elizabeth Warren.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Open Letter to the “Real” Occupy Wall Streeters from a Libertarian by Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, so someone actually gets the point, thanks! I refuse to talk down to them - they want to be taken seriously, then they should listen to reasoned criticism of their views. Thanks Kelly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, so someone actually gets the point, thanks! I refuse to talk down to them &#8211; they want to be taken seriously, then they should listen to reasoned criticism of their views. Thanks Kelly!</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Open Letter to the “Real” Occupy Wall Streeters from a Libertarian by KellySp</title>
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		<dc:creator>KellySp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These OWS members you're writing to aren't that bright. You're gonna have to dumb it down a bit if you want them to read it and understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These OWS members you&#8217;re writing to aren&#8217;t that bright. You&#8217;re gonna have to dumb it down a bit if you want them to read it and understand.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Open Letter to the “Real” Occupy Wall Streeters from a Libertarian by Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 02:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir, it is you who is incorrect. Apparently you don't know that the movement was started by Ad Busters, an anarcho-communist activist organization? Or that they are organizing the Occupy movement behind the scenes? Or perhaps you don't know what anarcho-communism is? They are the one's who gave it the "Occupy" title, fyi. They believe that the entire idea of property is immoral hence all the protesters claim that the part was their's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir, it is you who is incorrect. Apparently you don&#8217;t know that the movement was started by Ad Busters, an anarcho-communist activist organization? Or that they are organizing the Occupy movement behind the scenes? Or perhaps you don&#8217;t know what anarcho-communism is? They are the one&#8217;s who gave it the &#8220;Occupy&#8221; title, fyi. They believe that the entire idea of property is immoral hence all the protesters claim that the part was their&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Open Letter to the “Real” Occupy Wall Streeters from a Libertarian by John</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a ridiculous generalization of the ideologies of the Occupy movement. This shabby "analysis" betrays a gross misunderstanding of protesters' intentions as well. Having been to the Occupy Wall St. encampment myself before it was demolished, I can assure you that almost none of the protesters label themselves as anarchists, and don't aim to overthrow the American brand of Capitalism which you hold so dear to your heart. What most want, rather, is real and legitimate campaign finance reform as well as lobbying reform; speaking in generalities, some sort of mechanism to prevent most of our country's decisions being determined by a tiny but influential minority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a ridiculous generalization of the ideologies of the Occupy movement. This shabby &#8220;analysis&#8221; betrays a gross misunderstanding of protesters&#8217; intentions as well. Having been to the Occupy Wall St. encampment myself before it was demolished, I can assure you that almost none of the protesters label themselves as anarchists, and don&#8217;t aim to overthrow the American brand of Capitalism which you hold so dear to your heart. What most want, rather, is real and legitimate campaign finance reform as well as lobbying reform; speaking in generalities, some sort of mechanism to prevent most of our country&#8217;s decisions being determined by a tiny but influential minority.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What does the Tuscon massacre tell us? by Glenn Donovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 13:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, no factual refutation of the actual points I made though, correct? I mean, you still don't understand Keynes or the liberty you enjoy every day, but instead scoff at me for style points. Typical, and useless. And you wonder why i treat you with such derision? The arrogance that lies just below the surface of the points you made is apparent to me and I really enjoy showing up educated fools like you, cuz you often get away with rhetorical murder. Not on this site, pal. 

One more chance to show you actually know something useful, same question back at you:

Do you know how jobs are created in a free market economy? Hint, it's a consequence of wealth creation. Wealth is created via voluntary exchanges based on comparative advantage. For you to suggest that creating jobs via borrowing money and spraying it out through government programs tells me that you don't have a grasp on even the basic economic concepts at issue in a discussion of this type, but that doesn't stop you from making comments about the topic. It's like you don't understand quantum physics, but want to build a nuclear reactor anyway. 

As for the one substantial point you tried to make, what is it again? That Arizona gun laws caused the killing? Again, your STUPIDITY is showing. There is statutory authority aplenty to deal with the likes of Loughner on the books already in AZ. He could have been referred by campus security to the police for a mental health evaluation when he as thrown out for his disruptive behavior - anyone can do it in Arizona. Loughner was out of control and clearly very threatening for years before he shot Gifford. Students in classes complained they were afraid he would come in with a gun one day. As well, he was handled a couple of times by the Sherrifs dept but let go without a psych evaluation. He was rejected for military service too because of mental health issues - in other words, plenty of warnings. Why didn't that big mouth sheriff act on all this information? That's where the failure is here. It's a failure of execution, not statute, but hey, that doesn't fit into a neat little sound-bite on Rachel Maddow, right? 

The only possible legitimate argument - and it's the one you've borrowed from Laurence O'Donnell (a self-professed socialist) - is based on the sale of high capacity magazines being legal in Arizona. This of course rests on the assumption that he couldn't have reloaded another clip - something that can be done very quickly anyway, and we'll never be able to know conclusively whether this is so. He didn't buy the gun at a gun show, so that argument is out the window. And he was refused for an ammo purchase that morning at Walmart, due to his demeanor - without any laws at all, amazing yes? 

So your thin argument is reduced to whether a law restricting high capacity magazines in the state was killed by right wingers, and there is no evidence of that. Look at the legislative record in AZ - there was no such battle. In fact, Giffords has been a staunch supporter of 2nd amendment rights as are many democrats in the south and west, you know that right? She might have opposed such a law, lol. There has been talk of the feds doing this for years, but it turns out there are real limitations on what can be done because of our pesky constitution. 

So, yes, I'm nasty to you, but it's because your arguments are so vacuous. Apparently, you are used to being an arrogant ponce without folks calling you out on it. Sorry if it hurts your feelings to have your "thoughts" shown for the empty bag of progressive nonsense that they are, but there it is.

So, if you are actually educated and committed to being governed by reason, respond to my arguments about wealth/job creation (one in the same, buddy) with a different model of how our economy actually works. Or recognize that the feds can't create meaningful economic growth with stimulus money. Also, try to come up with some facts to support your contention that right wingers actually caused the sale of high capacity magazines in AZ, Or else, admit that you are just spouting rhetoric mouthed by others that you don't even really understand. But please, don't waste your time commenting on my style - or is that all you've got?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, no factual refutation of the actual points I made though, correct? I mean, you still don&#8217;t understand Keynes or the liberty you enjoy every day, but instead scoff at me for style points. Typical, and useless. And you wonder why i treat you with such derision? The arrogance that lies just below the surface of the points you made is apparent to me and I really enjoy showing up educated fools like you, cuz you often get away with rhetorical murder. Not on this site, pal. </p>
<p>One more chance to show you actually know something useful, same question back at you:</p>
<p>Do you know how jobs are created in a free market economy? Hint, it&#8217;s a consequence of wealth creation. Wealth is created via voluntary exchanges based on comparative advantage. For you to suggest that creating jobs via borrowing money and spraying it out through government programs tells me that you don&#8217;t have a grasp on even the basic economic concepts at issue in a discussion of this type, but that doesn&#8217;t stop you from making comments about the topic. It&#8217;s like you don&#8217;t understand quantum physics, but want to build a nuclear reactor anyway. </p>
<p>As for the one substantial point you tried to make, what is it again? That Arizona gun laws caused the killing? Again, your STUPIDITY is showing. There is statutory authority aplenty to deal with the likes of Loughner on the books already in AZ. He could have been referred by campus security to the police for a mental health evaluation when he as thrown out for his disruptive behavior &#8211; anyone can do it in Arizona. Loughner was out of control and clearly very threatening for years before he shot Gifford. Students in classes complained they were afraid he would come in with a gun one day. As well, he was handled a couple of times by the Sherrifs dept but let go without a psych evaluation. He was rejected for military service too because of mental health issues &#8211; in other words, plenty of warnings. Why didn&#8217;t that big mouth sheriff act on all this information? That&#8217;s where the failure is here. It&#8217;s a failure of execution, not statute, but hey, that doesn&#8217;t fit into a neat little sound-bite on Rachel Maddow, right? </p>
<p>The only possible legitimate argument &#8211; and it&#8217;s the one you&#8217;ve borrowed from Laurence O&#8217;Donnell (a self-professed socialist) &#8211; is based on the sale of high capacity magazines being legal in Arizona. This of course rests on the assumption that he couldn&#8217;t have reloaded another clip &#8211; something that can be done very quickly anyway, and we&#8217;ll never be able to know conclusively whether this is so. He didn&#8217;t buy the gun at a gun show, so that argument is out the window. And he was refused for an ammo purchase that morning at Walmart, due to his demeanor &#8211; without any laws at all, amazing yes? </p>
<p>So your thin argument is reduced to whether a law restricting high capacity magazines in the state was killed by right wingers, and there is no evidence of that. Look at the legislative record in AZ &#8211; there was no such battle. In fact, Giffords has been a staunch supporter of 2nd amendment rights as are many democrats in the south and west, you know that right? She might have opposed such a law, lol. There has been talk of the feds doing this for years, but it turns out there are real limitations on what can be done because of our pesky constitution. </p>
<p>So, yes, I&#8217;m nasty to you, but it&#8217;s because your arguments are so vacuous. Apparently, you are used to being an arrogant ponce without folks calling you out on it. Sorry if it hurts your feelings to have your &#8220;thoughts&#8221; shown for the empty bag of progressive nonsense that they are, but there it is.</p>
<p>So, if you are actually educated and committed to being governed by reason, respond to my arguments about wealth/job creation (one in the same, buddy) with a different model of how our economy actually works. Or recognize that the feds can&#8217;t create meaningful economic growth with stimulus money. Also, try to come up with some facts to support your contention that right wingers actually caused the sale of high capacity magazines in AZ, Or else, admit that you are just spouting rhetoric mouthed by others that you don&#8217;t even really understand. But please, don&#8217;t waste your time commenting on my style &#8211; or is that all you&#8217;ve got?</p>
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		<title>Comment on What does the Tuscon massacre tell us? by Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 05:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For starters, I have a master's degree.  Before I got it, I scored in the 99th percentile on the entrance exam.  When people, particularly people who don't know me, question my intelligence, I begin to wonder about theirs.  You can understand that, right?

You posted on Daily Kos that you wanted to engage people.  I have a friend who is Libertarian and very sharp, so I tried to take you up on it with a couple of innocuous points.  You respond with "mushpot of a mind," What a fool," absurd little creature," "stupid."  WTF?  Are you two people?  Does good Gollum post at DKos and bad Gollum here?

You seem to have trouble understanding what I wrote.  For example, you seem to think that I said that right-wing rhetoric was responsible for the shooting in Arizona.  I don't believe that, so I did not.  For example, you seem to think i stated that liberal gun laws cause more violence, but my (accurate) statement was restricted to the incident in Arizona.  For example, on a different post you seem to think I am disagreeing with your contention that going into debt doesn't create wealth, but I wasn't.

In conclucion
1)  You have read some things that I have not read.  Congratulations!  Big deal.
2)  Your reading comprehension needs work.
3)  You don't express yourself well.
4)  You are not interested in exchanging ideas.
5)  You are a waste of time.  Have fun playing in your own sandbox.

A little advice:  Tell bad Gollum to go away and never come back.

p.s.  By "deny", in response to your other post, I meant "disagree with."  Must have been bad Gollum who interpreted that as a personal assault.

p.p.s.  On DKos, you called yourself a "Libetarian."  D'oh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For starters, I have a master&#8217;s degree.  Before I got it, I scored in the 99th percentile on the entrance exam.  When people, particularly people who don&#8217;t know me, question my intelligence, I begin to wonder about theirs.  You can understand that, right?</p>
<p>You posted on Daily Kos that you wanted to engage people.  I have a friend who is Libertarian and very sharp, so I tried to take you up on it with a couple of innocuous points.  You respond with &#8220;mushpot of a mind,&#8221; What a fool,&#8221; absurd little creature,&#8221; &#8220;stupid.&#8221;  WTF?  Are you two people?  Does good Gollum post at DKos and bad Gollum here?</p>
<p>You seem to have trouble understanding what I wrote.  For example, you seem to think that I said that right-wing rhetoric was responsible for the shooting in Arizona.  I don&#8217;t believe that, so I did not.  For example, you seem to think i stated that liberal gun laws cause more violence, but my (accurate) statement was restricted to the incident in Arizona.  For example, on a different post you seem to think I am disagreeing with your contention that going into debt doesn&#8217;t create wealth, but I wasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>In conclucion<br />
1)  You have read some things that I have not read.  Congratulations!  Big deal.<br />
2)  Your reading comprehension needs work.<br />
3)  You don&#8217;t express yourself well.<br />
4)  You are not interested in exchanging ideas.<br />
5)  You are a waste of time.  Have fun playing in your own sandbox.</p>
<p>A little advice:  Tell bad Gollum to go away and never come back.</p>
<p>p.s.  By &#8220;deny&#8221;, in response to your other post, I meant &#8220;disagree with.&#8221;  Must have been bad Gollum who interpreted that as a personal assault.</p>
<p>p.p.s.  On DKos, you called yourself a &#8220;Libetarian.&#8221;  D&#8217;oh!</p>
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		<title>Comment on What does the Tuscon massacre tell us? by Glenn Donovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing. On abortion doctors, you clearly don't know Tillman's case very well He committed late term abortions of babies that were viable. Do you get that? If you think that an unborn child obtains the right to life at some point before they exit the womb, than Tiller was a killer of human beings and the state was doing nothing to stop him. His killer worked for years with legal means to try and stop him but he would not. His killer felt that he had a moral duty to stop the killing of innocent lives. And, fyi, if you don't think a fetus of 25 wks or more is a life then you are scum in my book. Anyone who would kill a child in this way is beyond the pale.

His killer wasn't at all motivated by Bill O'Reilly or anyone else. Take a look at the court case in some detail and the public statements of the guy who killed Tiller and you will see, once again, how very ignorant and thoughtless you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing. On abortion doctors, you clearly don&#8217;t know Tillman&#8217;s case very well He committed late term abortions of babies that were viable. Do you get that? If you think that an unborn child obtains the right to life at some point before they exit the womb, than Tiller was a killer of human beings and the state was doing nothing to stop him. His killer worked for years with legal means to try and stop him but he would not. His killer felt that he had a moral duty to stop the killing of innocent lives. And, fyi, if you don&#8217;t think a fetus of 25 wks or more is a life then you are scum in my book. Anyone who would kill a child in this way is beyond the pale.</p>
<p>His killer wasn&#8217;t at all motivated by Bill O&#8217;Reilly or anyone else. Take a look at the court case in some detail and the public statements of the guy who killed Tiller and you will see, once again, how very ignorant and thoughtless you are.</p>
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