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		<title>Comment on Coming to a City Near You? by Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn't a precedent, but it's a bad idea because it indicates a mistaken belief that terrorists who wage war against the United States should be treated as common criminals instead of the enemy combatants they really are.  It's also a bad idea because it has the potential to attract more terrorists to NYC, some of the evidence against the defendants may be excluded for technical legal reasons, it will give them a stage on which to perform, and their defense will attract the usual crowd of unprincipled lawyers seeking fame and publicity.  The AG has indicated that they will seek the death penalty.  Fine, if the scumbags are convicted and executed, but an acquital of any of them will be a disaster.

This also undermines the military's role in dealing with enemy combatants.  That may be the Obama Administration's intention, which might be understandable given the Bush Administration's poor performance in dealing with the Guantanamo prisoners.  This is a poor substitute for fixing the problem.

Just as an aside, the use of "military evidence" in a civilian trial isn't a problem --- in fact, I'm not sure what you mean by that term.  The problem here might be the use of enhanced interrogation to get some of the evidence, and that wasn't done by the military, for the most part.

Timothy McVeigh was a violent criminal guilty of murdering a lot of people, and he got what he deserved.  But he can't be compared to the Islamic extremists who have been waging war against the U.S. for years.  The biggest difference is that he wasn't influenced by a primitive religion with a modern history of violence and murder, his mother didn't encourage him to go out and kill innocent people for religious reasons, and his actions weren't applauded by millions and millions of people who shared his religious beliefs (whatever they may have been).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t a precedent, but it&#8217;s a bad idea because it indicates a mistaken belief that terrorists who wage war against the United States should be treated as common criminals instead of the enemy combatants they really are.  It&#8217;s also a bad idea because it has the potential to attract more terrorists to NYC, some of the evidence against the defendants may be excluded for technical legal reasons, it will give them a stage on which to perform, and their defense will attract the usual crowd of unprincipled lawyers seeking fame and publicity.  The AG has indicated that they will seek the death penalty.  Fine, if the scumbags are convicted and executed, but an acquital of any of them will be a disaster.</p>
<p>This also undermines the military&#8217;s role in dealing with enemy combatants.  That may be the Obama Administration&#8217;s intention, which might be understandable given the Bush Administration&#8217;s poor performance in dealing with the Guantanamo prisoners.  This is a poor substitute for fixing the problem.</p>
<p>Just as an aside, the use of &#8220;military evidence&#8221; in a civilian trial isn&#8217;t a problem &#8212; in fact, I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by that term.  The problem here might be the use of enhanced interrogation to get some of the evidence, and that wasn&#8217;t done by the military, for the most part.</p>
<p>Timothy McVeigh was a violent criminal guilty of murdering a lot of people, and he got what he deserved.  But he can&#8217;t be compared to the Islamic extremists who have been waging war against the U.S. for years.  The biggest difference is that he wasn&#8217;t influenced by a primitive religion with a modern history of violence and murder, his mother didn&#8217;t encourage him to go out and kill innocent people for religious reasons, and his actions weren&#8217;t applauded by millions and millions of people who shared his religious beliefs (whatever they may have been).</p>
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		<title>Comment on President Obama Bows Again by Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the traditions and standards of foreign affairs and diplomacy, heads of state are equals (as ridiculous as that may sometimes seem) and they do not show deference and subordination to each other, particular formally and in public.  That's true for the president and everyone who represents him.  No U.S. ambassador would bow to a foreign sovereign, and the president certainly shouldn't do it.

Anonymous, if you read enough on Opinion Forum, you'd know that I'm not anti-Obama and I'm not looking for reasons to complain about him.  But this business of bowing to foreign monarchs is wrong, and it's particularly wrong for an American president, given our history and traditions.  Simply put, he ought to know better.

And look at the ones he's bowed and shown deference to:  the King of Saudi Arabia --- enough said.  The Emperor of Japan --- whose very existence is a sign of our tolerance and charity following World War II.

And whom did he &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; bow to (as far as I know)?  The Queen of England, the one monarch that he should respect most among them all (although he still shouldn't bow).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the traditions and standards of foreign affairs and diplomacy, heads of state are equals (as ridiculous as that may sometimes seem) and they do not show deference and subordination to each other, particular formally and in public.  That&#8217;s true for the president and everyone who represents him.  No U.S. ambassador would bow to a foreign sovereign, and the president certainly shouldn&#8217;t do it.</p>
<p>Anonymous, if you read enough on Opinion Forum, you&#8217;d know that I&#8217;m not anti-Obama and I&#8217;m not looking for reasons to complain about him.  But this business of bowing to foreign monarchs is wrong, and it&#8217;s particularly wrong for an American president, given our history and traditions.  Simply put, he ought to know better.</p>
<p>And look at the ones he&#8217;s bowed and shown deference to:  the King of Saudi Arabia &#8212; enough said.  The Emperor of Japan &#8212; whose very existence is a sign of our tolerance and charity following World War II.</p>
<p>And whom did he <em>not</em> bow to (as far as I know)?  The Queen of England, the one monarch that he should respect most among them all (although he still shouldn&#8217;t bow).</p>
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		<title>Comment on President Obama Bows Again by Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry and Brian, you guys are right on target.  This president has no clue.  He's going to wreck our country and the way others view it....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry and Brian, you guys are right on target.  This president has no clue.  He&#8217;s going to wreck our country and the way others view it&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on President Obama Bows Again by larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A simple handsake is all that is required to greet the Emperor unless your Japanese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A simple handsake is all that is required to greet the Emperor unless your Japanese.</p>
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		<title>Comment on President Obama Bows Again by Brian Bagent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Bagent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous, it is American tradition to not formally recognize royalty.  We are to be cordial, but it ends there.  Two friends meeting each other on the street in Japan, bowing, is a sign of respect.  Even an American would not be out of line bowing &lt;i&gt;simulateously&lt;/i&gt; with his Japanese business counterpart.  For American heads of state or their representatives, it is utterly out of line.

The issue is that we are born sovereign.  As sovereigns, we have no superiors or inferiors, only equals.  As a replacement for a handshake, no problem.  As a symbol of inferiors, huge problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous, it is American tradition to not formally recognize royalty.  We are to be cordial, but it ends there.  Two friends meeting each other on the street in Japan, bowing, is a sign of respect.  Even an American would not be out of line bowing <i>simulateously</i> with his Japanese business counterpart.  For American heads of state or their representatives, it is utterly out of line.</p>
<p>The issue is that we are born sovereign.  As sovereigns, we have no superiors or inferiors, only equals.  As a replacement for a handshake, no problem.  As a symbol of inferiors, huge problem.</p>
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		<title>Comment on End the Fed by Teach Children to Save Money?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teach Children to Save Money?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn’t agree more, the Fed is not doin' so good. As a single parent that was *less* than good with money throughout my youth, teaching children about money is CRUCIAL, in my mind. I’m not going to blame parents, schools, etc, but quite simply, I clearly “didn’t get it”, and I am still paying for those mistakes a decade later! And quite frankly, I hate the position I got myself in, everytime I pay off my past debts… I could have used my time/money sooooo much better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn’t agree more, the Fed is not doin&#8217; so good. As a single parent that was *less* than good with money throughout my youth, teaching children about money is CRUCIAL, in my mind. I’m not going to blame parents, schools, etc, but quite simply, I clearly “didn’t get it”, and I am still paying for those mistakes a decade later! And quite frankly, I hate the position I got myself in, everytime I pay off my past debts… I could have used my time/money sooooo much better.</p>
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		<title>Comment on President Obama Bows Again by Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 06:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm bowing in Japan is a courtesy its meant to show respect when you greet someone can't remember it ever having anything to do with superiority. But I guess that doesnt matter when your looking for a reason to complain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm bowing in Japan is a courtesy its meant to show respect when you greet someone can&#8217;t remember it ever having anything to do with superiority. But I guess that doesnt matter when your looking for a reason to complain.</p>
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		<title>Comment on End the Fed by Brianna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brianna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"We certainly couldn’t function in the international economy by returning to arrangements in existence before the Fed was created."

I don't see why.  It was less than 100 years ago that we created the Fed, and only 40 since we ditched the gold standard altogether.  Why is it impossible to go back to a commodity/representative standard (a representative currency is paper backed by some sort of commodity) with the number of dollars to a troy ounce of gold/silver regulated by Congress?  I know people have said that there isn't enough gold in the world to represent wealth anymore, but really, according to whom?  The amount of money something costs isn't assigned arbitrarily; it depends on that item's value relative to other items and the amount of money in the market.  If there was less money in the market, prices would just go down to reflect it.  Wages would go down too, but as long as purchasing power remained equivalent, why would that be an issue?  If you're making $100 and it costs you $50 to live, what's the difference between that and making 80$ when it costs you $40 to live?  If private banks were allowed to issue notes based on their specie reserves, it would break the power of the Fed and the monopoly on our money.  And if there were no monopoly on the money supply, then the collapse of one bank or even a set of banks would not bring down the system (it'd kinda suck, but then so does this recession).  And as long as Congress set the standard of how many dollars one could issue per amount of gold/silver, it would keep the bankers from running off into the clouds with the money supply.  You wouldn't even have to use only gold/silver if you didn't want to; the Weimar Republic backed the Rentenmark in real estate, and it would be perfectly possible to issue a currency backed in some other commodity.  The main requirement would be that any piece of paper would have to be backed by some solid, tangible asset so that people couldn't lie about the money supply.  

The only power the Fed has that private banks don't and can't without government support is the power to make money out of thin air via printing press without backing it with anything.  Banks like that because it allows them to make more loans whether they can afford to do it or not.  Government likes that because it allows them to embark on massive spending whether they can afford to do it or not.  The people just get screwed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We certainly couldn’t function in the international economy by returning to arrangements in existence before the Fed was created.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see why.  It was less than 100 years ago that we created the Fed, and only 40 since we ditched the gold standard altogether.  Why is it impossible to go back to a commodity/representative standard (a representative currency is paper backed by some sort of commodity) with the number of dollars to a troy ounce of gold/silver regulated by Congress?  I know people have said that there isn&#8217;t enough gold in the world to represent wealth anymore, but really, according to whom?  The amount of money something costs isn&#8217;t assigned arbitrarily; it depends on that item&#8217;s value relative to other items and the amount of money in the market.  If there was less money in the market, prices would just go down to reflect it.  Wages would go down too, but as long as purchasing power remained equivalent, why would that be an issue?  If you&#8217;re making $100 and it costs you $50 to live, what&#8217;s the difference between that and making 80$ when it costs you $40 to live?  If private banks were allowed to issue notes based on their specie reserves, it would break the power of the Fed and the monopoly on our money.  And if there were no monopoly on the money supply, then the collapse of one bank or even a set of banks would not bring down the system (it&#8217;d kinda suck, but then so does this recession).  And as long as Congress set the standard of how many dollars one could issue per amount of gold/silver, it would keep the bankers from running off into the clouds with the money supply.  You wouldn&#8217;t even have to use only gold/silver if you didn&#8217;t want to; the Weimar Republic backed the Rentenmark in real estate, and it would be perfectly possible to issue a currency backed in some other commodity.  The main requirement would be that any piece of paper would have to be backed by some solid, tangible asset so that people couldn&#8217;t lie about the money supply.  </p>
<p>The only power the Fed has that private banks don&#8217;t and can&#8217;t without government support is the power to make money out of thin air via printing press without backing it with anything.  Banks like that because it allows them to make more loans whether they can afford to do it or not.  Government likes that because it allows them to embark on massive spending whether they can afford to do it or not.  The people just get screwed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on End the Fed by Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Brianna, apparently we were writing comments at the same time, and you were quicker than me!  You covered everything I said in much more detail, and quite nicely.  I still have one question --- once the Fed is gone, what will you replace it with?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Brianna, apparently we were writing comments at the same time, and you were quicker than me!  You covered everything I said in much more detail, and quite nicely.  I still have one question &#8212; once the Fed is gone, what will you replace it with?</p>
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		<title>Comment on End the Fed by Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting and informative, Brianna.  I understand the problems you point to, but I don't understand what you would replace the Fed with.  We certainly couldn't function in the international economy by returning to arrangements in existence before the Fed was created.  In fact, if we threw out the Federal Reserve System and started all over again, we'd have to create something that would look a lot like it.  Congress could amend the Federal Reserve Act to require the Fed to operate in different ways, given that it's an &lt;a href="http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/faq/faqfrs.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;institution within the government&lt;/a&gt; and functions at the will of the government.  That's why you see Bernanke testifying on the Hill so often.  But the Fed is independent for a reason --- can you imagine Congress getting involved in the routine business of the Fed?

Elizabeth, I'm afraid there's a problem of reality in dreaming of the "sustainable economy" you referred to.  Economies, and economic systems, can only grow or not grow.  Not growing means collapse in fairly short order.  There simply can be no such thing as a completely stable, non-volatile economy.  In order to even think about such a model, you have to hold every variable you can think of constant, and there will still be variables you've missed.  Unfortunately, the variables are all dynamic. 

John, you're way off the mark on all counts.  The Federal Reserve System is, in fact, a creation of the government, through the Federal Reserve Act.  Everything about the Fed can be changed by Congress (and the President), to include abolishing it.  The Fed most certainly does not "own" the &lt;a href="http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/EXTSITETOOLS/0,,contentMDK:20147466~menuPK:344189~pagePK:98400~piPK:98424~theSitePK:95474,00.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;World Bank&lt;/a&gt; and the &lt;a href="http://www.imf.org/external/about/govern.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;International Monetary Fund&lt;/a&gt;.  The idea that the Fed owns everything and could get away with shooting the Pope is, if you'll pardon my bluntness, one of the silliest conspiracy theories I've heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting and informative, Brianna.  I understand the problems you point to, but I don&#8217;t understand what you would replace the Fed with.  We certainly couldn&#8217;t function in the international economy by returning to arrangements in existence before the Fed was created.  In fact, if we threw out the Federal Reserve System and started all over again, we&#8217;d have to create something that would look a lot like it.  Congress could amend the Federal Reserve Act to require the Fed to operate in different ways, given that it&#8217;s an <a href="http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/faq/faqfrs.htm" rel="nofollow">institution within the government</a> and functions at the will of the government.  That&#8217;s why you see Bernanke testifying on the Hill so often.  But the Fed is independent for a reason &#8212; can you imagine Congress getting involved in the routine business of the Fed?</p>
<p>Elizabeth, I&#8217;m afraid there&#8217;s a problem of reality in dreaming of the &#8220;sustainable economy&#8221; you referred to.  Economies, and economic systems, can only grow or not grow.  Not growing means collapse in fairly short order.  There simply can be no such thing as a completely stable, non-volatile economy.  In order to even think about such a model, you have to hold every variable you can think of constant, and there will still be variables you&#8217;ve missed.  Unfortunately, the variables are all dynamic. </p>
<p>John, you&#8217;re way off the mark on all counts.  The Federal Reserve System is, in fact, a creation of the government, through the Federal Reserve Act.  Everything about the Fed can be changed by Congress (and the President), to include abolishing it.  The Fed most certainly does not &#8220;own&#8221; the <a href="http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/EXTSITETOOLS/0,,contentMDK:20147466~menuPK:344189~pagePK:98400~piPK:98424~theSitePK:95474,00.html" rel="nofollow">World Bank</a> and the <a href="http://www.imf.org/external/about/govern.htm" rel="nofollow">International Monetary Fund</a>.  The idea that the Fed owns everything and could get away with shooting the Pope is, if you&#8217;ll pardon my bluntness, one of the silliest conspiracy theories I&#8217;ve heard.</p>
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