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		<title>Comment on Climate change. Work to elect or get in the streets? by Nina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>protests schmotests, all the supporters in the world can't stop the main problem of corruption in politics which is where the key to accomplishing anything is, the only thing the suits care about is their popularity, power, and the dollar, and since it is likely it took a lot of those things already to get them into that position, they will only ever do what is in accord with those interests, and "to hell with the next generation as long as i have a comfortable life".  No matter how well-intentioned a protest is, it can be either be misinterpreted, or twisted by the media to show them as a dangerous mob (and sometimes they do get out of hand). The protesters may not have the answers themselves, but they are expecting those in power to find the solutions, not gonna happen, a smarter way would be to put their energies into something constructive, and get involved with finding solutions among themselves, then, they have something that will get noticed and if it is is beneficial for the whole of society then they will have a better chance of accomplishing what they want. If Environmental Technology is the next big thing like they say it is, we'll need all the ideas humanity has before we're screwed, personally I think it is too late, but I am not known to be an optimist but a realist. However it is better to try and fail than to not try, and in this age of the internet it is easy to get your ideas out there and be noticed, an online wave of following is far more effective than a small rally or protest, that's the key I believe. having said all that, the main barrier is that the whole world has to adapt, and I see no way to get them to, when many places aren't even aware theres a problem, so even a local government could be doing their best in one country, while in another, millions are undoing all the effort. and that's with all the other affairs going on that will be considered more important (currently at least). You would need an incorruptible worldwide government to solve this, and the rest of the mess we've gotten ourselves in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>protests schmotests, all the supporters in the world can&#8217;t stop the main problem of corruption in politics which is where the key to accomplishing anything is, the only thing the suits care about is their popularity, power, and the dollar, and since it is likely it took a lot of those things already to get them into that position, they will only ever do what is in accord with those interests, and &#8220;to hell with the next generation as long as i have a comfortable life&#8221;.  No matter how well-intentioned a protest is, it can be either be misinterpreted, or twisted by the media to show them as a dangerous mob (and sometimes they do get out of hand). The protesters may not have the answers themselves, but they are expecting those in power to find the solutions, not gonna happen, a smarter way would be to put their energies into something constructive, and get involved with finding solutions among themselves, then, they have something that will get noticed and if it is is beneficial for the whole of society then they will have a better chance of accomplishing what they want. If Environmental Technology is the next big thing like they say it is, we&#8217;ll need all the ideas humanity has before we&#8217;re screwed, personally I think it is too late, but I am not known to be an optimist but a realist. However it is better to try and fail than to not try, and in this age of the internet it is easy to get your ideas out there and be noticed, an online wave of following is far more effective than a small rally or protest, that&#8217;s the key I believe. having said all that, the main barrier is that the whole world has to adapt, and I see no way to get them to, when many places aren&#8217;t even aware theres a problem, so even a local government could be doing their best in one country, while in another, millions are undoing all the effort. and that&#8217;s with all the other affairs going on that will be considered more important (currently at least). You would need an incorruptible worldwide government to solve this, and the rest of the mess we&#8217;ve gotten ourselves in.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arizona anarchists to outside Marxists. Stay away by EnCee</title>
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		<dc:creator>EnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 05:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, the article is about them appearing in Arizona. That is where the term carpet bagging comes from. That is why people say they "appeared overnight" because they are not based in Arizona nor have been. I think the whole thing needs more dissection but trying to back off the condescending and dismissive tone of your initial reply seems futile. It's right there. Your lack of knowledge only shows how out of touch you are and is blatantly hypocritical when you criticize this site's posting. 

The idea that ANSWER put major organizational effort into June 1 is also patently absurd. Maybe it was "major" for them but it's not like they had anything to do with organizing things in Phoenix. Trying to associate them with the hard work of the people who actually organized things Phoenix, is plainly opportunistic and typical of the ANSWER and PSL formation. This is pretty illustrative of the things people find wrong with the ANSWER and PSL formations. They try to glob on and take credit for things they didn't do and beat their chest about how big and important they are. On June 1 ANSWER and PSL were in Phoenix with a pushcart for sound and some banners. Big whoop. Guess what, a whole bunch of other people were there and no one seems to be writing articles about them coming into town. Once again, the question is why?

See you in Arizona.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, the article is about them appearing in Arizona. That is where the term carpet bagging comes from. That is why people say they &#8220;appeared overnight&#8221; because they are not based in Arizona nor have been. I think the whole thing needs more dissection but trying to back off the condescending and dismissive tone of your initial reply seems futile. It&#8217;s right there. Your lack of knowledge only shows how out of touch you are and is blatantly hypocritical when you criticize this site&#8217;s posting. </p>
<p>The idea that ANSWER put major organizational effort into June 1 is also patently absurd. Maybe it was &#8220;major&#8221; for them but it&#8217;s not like they had anything to do with organizing things in Phoenix. Trying to associate them with the hard work of the people who actually organized things Phoenix, is plainly opportunistic and typical of the ANSWER and PSL formation. This is pretty illustrative of the things people find wrong with the ANSWER and PSL formations. They try to glob on and take credit for things they didn&#8217;t do and beat their chest about how big and important they are. On June 1 ANSWER and PSL were in Phoenix with a pushcart for sound and some banners. Big whoop. Guess what, a whole bunch of other people were there and no one seems to be writing articles about them coming into town. Once again, the question is why?</p>
<p>See you in Arizona.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arizona anarchists to outside Marxists. Stay away by Eli Stephens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eli Stephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 02:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, you ignore the actual facts. Here's what I wrote above "The ANSWER coalition has been working/demonstrating for immigrant rights for years, and helped organize and organized buses from all over the Southwest to get to the previous anti-SB1070 rally." I didn't say "ANSWER has some extraordinary status in the movement," I merely said they have been active in the movement for years, which was meant to rebut the absurd contention that they "appeared overnight." Now either that's true or it's not true. I say it's complete nonsense, and I offer the simple fact that ANSWER put major organizational efforts into the rally that occurred on June 1 in Phoenix. I didn't say they were the only ones to do so, which would be absurd. I merely offered one piece of evidence that they did not "appear overnight,” even in Arizona.

And as far as the nationwide scene, and not just Arizona, the work of ANSWER, and MANY groups on the left, on behalf of immigrant rights, goes back years. The slogan "A world without borders" has been a slogan on the left for decades. And the recent upsurge in activity around the issue hardly started in Arizona, but in Los Angeles, in 2006. ANSWER and PSL have been an integral part of organizing May Day rallies that day and ever since. Whether they have "extraordinary status" in the movement you can decide for yourself, I wouldn't particularly contend that, but it is a fact that, for example, this year in Los Angeles, where the biggest May Day rally by far was held, two of the speakers were from ANSWER and PSL (http://www.pslweb.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&amp;id=13969). These are simple facts. Do you deny them? It seems clear to me that the author of the article quoted in this post is either ignorant of those facts, or chose to willfully ignore them. Since I don't know who the author is, I won't attempt to choose between those alternatives. In either case, the assertion of "appearing overnight" is, as I claimed in my first remarks, utter nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, you ignore the actual facts. Here&#8217;s what I wrote above &#8220;The ANSWER coalition has been working/demonstrating for immigrant rights for years, and helped organize and organized buses from all over the Southwest to get to the previous anti-SB1070 rally.&#8221; I didn&#8217;t say &#8220;ANSWER has some extraordinary status in the movement,&#8221; I merely said they have been active in the movement for years, which was meant to rebut the absurd contention that they &#8220;appeared overnight.&#8221; Now either that&#8217;s true or it&#8217;s not true. I say it&#8217;s complete nonsense, and I offer the simple fact that ANSWER put major organizational efforts into the rally that occurred on June 1 in Phoenix. I didn&#8217;t say they were the only ones to do so, which would be absurd. I merely offered one piece of evidence that they did not &#8220;appear overnight,” even in Arizona.</p>
<p>And as far as the nationwide scene, and not just Arizona, the work of ANSWER, and MANY groups on the left, on behalf of immigrant rights, goes back years. The slogan &#8220;A world without borders&#8221; has been a slogan on the left for decades. And the recent upsurge in activity around the issue hardly started in Arizona, but in Los Angeles, in 2006. ANSWER and PSL have been an integral part of organizing May Day rallies that day and ever since. Whether they have &#8220;extraordinary status&#8221; in the movement you can decide for yourself, I wouldn&#8217;t particularly contend that, but it is a fact that, for example, this year in Los Angeles, where the biggest May Day rally by far was held, two of the speakers were from ANSWER and PSL (<a href="http://www.pslweb.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&amp;id=13969" rel="nofollow">http://www.pslweb.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&amp;id=13969</a>). These are simple facts. Do you deny them? It seems clear to me that the author of the article quoted in this post is either ignorant of those facts, or chose to willfully ignore them. Since I don&#8217;t know who the author is, I won&#8217;t attempt to choose between those alternatives. In either case, the assertion of &#8220;appearing overnight&#8221; is, as I claimed in my first remarks, utter nonsense.</p>
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		<dc:creator>EnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 00:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, I know you enough from the many times I have seen you talking with Richard Becker and Jon Britton and sitting down self-content at meetings and forums. So yes, I know you do a lot of arm chair revolutionizing. So your talk about being "divorced from the struggle" is still a complete joke. No amount of money you donate to the PSL will ever change that. You can't buy your way into being revolutionary.

Also, learn to read. I said I wasn't going into the issue too much because I only saw it in passing and it deserves more talk. Seriously, you could write pages on the issues raised here. But, I'm not sure I have time for that as I am preparing to go to Arizona tonight. The only reason I commented on this was because of the enormity of the joke of you, Stephen, talking about being "divorced from the struggle" given your own detached, smug and aloof criticism.

It's hypocritical for you to attack the post for raising what may be valid criticisms.

For the record I do lot's of work in the immigrant rights movement so the manager of this site has intimate knowledge of the various goings on in the immigrant rights movement from me and just in general from other people he associates with. He knows at least a little about what he's talking about. Acting as if ANSWER has some extraordinary status in the movement deserving of special attention when they are barely a blip on anyone's radar just feeds into this self-aggrandizement I mentioned previously. See, what you don't get is that many other groups have organized buses, yet for some reason you want to afford ANSWER some special status. No one else is beating their chest about how many buses they organized. Thing is if so many other groups have organized buses to support the cause in Arizona then why is ANSWER or PSL one of the few being criticized?

These are simple questions, nothing too mind boggling. In light of your initial reply it's something you should consider when you post things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, I know you enough from the many times I have seen you talking with Richard Becker and Jon Britton and sitting down self-content at meetings and forums. So yes, I know you do a lot of arm chair revolutionizing. So your talk about being &#8220;divorced from the struggle&#8221; is still a complete joke. No amount of money you donate to the PSL will ever change that. You can&#8217;t buy your way into being revolutionary.</p>
<p>Also, learn to read. I said I wasn&#8217;t going into the issue too much because I only saw it in passing and it deserves more talk. Seriously, you could write pages on the issues raised here. But, I&#8217;m not sure I have time for that as I am preparing to go to Arizona tonight. The only reason I commented on this was because of the enormity of the joke of you, Stephen, talking about being &#8220;divorced from the struggle&#8221; given your own detached, smug and aloof criticism.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hypocritical for you to attack the post for raising what may be valid criticisms.</p>
<p>For the record I do lot&#8217;s of work in the immigrant rights movement so the manager of this site has intimate knowledge of the various goings on in the immigrant rights movement from me and just in general from other people he associates with. He knows at least a little about what he&#8217;s talking about. Acting as if ANSWER has some extraordinary status in the movement deserving of special attention when they are barely a blip on anyone&#8217;s radar just feeds into this self-aggrandizement I mentioned previously. See, what you don&#8217;t get is that many other groups have organized buses, yet for some reason you want to afford ANSWER some special status. No one else is beating their chest about how many buses they organized. Thing is if so many other groups have organized buses to support the cause in Arizona then why is ANSWER or PSL one of the few being criticized?</p>
<p>These are simple questions, nothing too mind boggling. In light of your initial reply it&#8217;s something you should consider when you post things.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Meet Josie, 9: No secret she’s transgender by Bob Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I found fascinating was the mother saying Josie threw fits at age three when the mom tried to take her shopping in the boys department for clothes. She wanted to be dressed in girls clothes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I found fascinating was the mother saying Josie threw fits at age three when the mom tried to take her shopping in the boys department for clothes. She wanted to be dressed in girls clothes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ustream. Live video streaming from a smart phone by Bob Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly. Plus it can stream live video and then post it to Twitter, YouTube and Facebook too.

Johannes Mehserle would not have been convicted had not several BART riders video'ed him shooting Oscar Grant in the back. Now imagine if the videos were on UStream within seconds after the shooting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. Plus it can stream live video and then post it to Twitter, YouTube and Facebook too.</p>
<p>Johannes Mehserle would not have been convicted had not several BART riders video&#8217;ed him shooting Oscar Grant in the back. Now imagine if the videos were on UStream within seconds after the shooting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arizona anarchists to outside Marxists. Stay away by Eli Stephens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eli Stephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A, you don't know me so you have absolutely no idea how much "actual revolutionizing" rather than 'arm-chair revolutionizing" that I do (nor do I have any idea who you are or where you fit on that scale), and

B, I notice with all your blathering you didn't bother to refute what I actually said in my comment. Of course that's because you can't, because what I said is the simple truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A, you don&#8217;t know me so you have absolutely no idea how much &#8220;actual revolutionizing&#8221; rather than &#8216;arm-chair revolutionizing&#8221; that I do (nor do I have any idea who you are or where you fit on that scale), and</p>
<p>B, I notice with all your blathering you didn&#8217;t bother to refute what I actually said in my comment. Of course that&#8217;s because you can&#8217;t, because what I said is the simple truth.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arizona anarchists to outside Marxists. Stay away by EnCee</title>
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		<dc:creator>EnCee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I am not going to get into this too much because I only saw it in passing and some of the issues, especially regarding opportunism and these groups self serving aggrandizement, deserve more talk. However, the idea of Eli Stephens talking about being "divorced from the struggle" is a total and complete joke. This guy already does too much arm-chair revolutionizing as it is. Eli should get out and interact with people, he might learn a few things instead of mouthing off through some website about radical optometrics. Oh yeah, and given all the quotes he has about telling the truth he sure seems to have a problem with other groups calling out people on their questionable behavior and practices. 
If there are critiques then answer them, don't just throw out some simplistic excuse or try to ignore people's concerns. You don't get to decide whose concerns are legitimate or not and just shrug it off like it doesn't matter. This smarmy, arrogant attitude is typical of the ANSWER and PSL formations and explains why Eli likes to associate with them so much. Maybe if they stroke your ego enough you can give them some more money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I am not going to get into this too much because I only saw it in passing and some of the issues, especially regarding opportunism and these groups self serving aggrandizement, deserve more talk. However, the idea of Eli Stephens talking about being &#8220;divorced from the struggle&#8221; is a total and complete joke. This guy already does too much arm-chair revolutionizing as it is. Eli should get out and interact with people, he might learn a few things instead of mouthing off through some website about radical optometrics. Oh yeah, and given all the quotes he has about telling the truth he sure seems to have a problem with other groups calling out people on their questionable behavior and practices.<br />
If there are critiques then answer them, don&#8217;t just throw out some simplistic excuse or try to ignore people&#8217;s concerns. You don&#8217;t get to decide whose concerns are legitimate or not and just shrug it off like it doesn&#8217;t matter. This smarmy, arrogant attitude is typical of the ANSWER and PSL formations and explains why Eli likes to associate with them so much. Maybe if they stroke your ego enough you can give them some more money.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ustream. Live video streaming from a smart phone by woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see a huge use in this if you have an off-site stream recorder to use this with.  It would give you an instant recording/backup, as well as a way to stream live events.  Having that if officials decided to illegally confiscate or destroy your phone, etc, could prove invaluable.  How many times have officials gotten away with things because they could seize the recordings of things by getting the devices?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a huge use in this if you have an off-site stream recorder to use this with.  It would give you an instant recording/backup, as well as a way to stream live events.  Having that if officials decided to illegally confiscate or destroy your phone, etc, could prove invaluable.  How many times have officials gotten away with things because they could seize the recordings of things by getting the devices?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Meet Josie, 9: No secret she’s transgender by woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a gay man, I knew I was far more attracted to other boys (in a very sexual way) when I was in 2nd grade,  which put me at 6, as I started school early.  I didn't know the word for it, or much at all about it, except that it was not something to talk about with adults.  (Anything sexual really was "taboo" to talk about.)  I  was a virgin (in all aspects of the word) until I was 19, and didn't "come out" until I was in my 20s.

That said, I "knew" when I was 6, and also knew it would not be received well by my family (who disowned me when I did finally come out).  "Knowing" from the age of 3 seems a bit of a fetch to me, but not impossible.  But what would one propose as an alternative?   "Encouraging" a biological boy to be more "masculine"?  How would you do that?  Buying him masculine toys? Social taunting?  Some other form of punishment for being "effeminate"?  Spankings?  Beatings?

Kids will be kids.  Some kids don't notice sex, gender, or attractions until later in life, some notice it earlier.   It sounds like these parents are encouraging their child to be a kid and live as they see fit.  They're not considering reassignment surgery until they're an adult, but are affirming their support if/when that time comes.  It may just be a phase, or it could be real, but in any case they love their child and will support them.  If more parents showed such unconditional love for their children this world would be a much better place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a gay man, I knew I was far more attracted to other boys (in a very sexual way) when I was in 2nd grade,  which put me at 6, as I started school early.  I didn&#8217;t know the word for it, or much at all about it, except that it was not something to talk about with adults.  (Anything sexual really was &#8220;taboo&#8221; to talk about.)  I  was a virgin (in all aspects of the word) until I was 19, and didn&#8217;t &#8220;come out&#8221; until I was in my 20s.</p>
<p>That said, I &#8220;knew&#8221; when I was 6, and also knew it would not be received well by my family (who disowned me when I did finally come out).  &#8220;Knowing&#8221; from the age of 3 seems a bit of a fetch to me, but not impossible.  But what would one propose as an alternative?   &#8220;Encouraging&#8221; a biological boy to be more &#8220;masculine&#8221;?  How would you do that?  Buying him masculine toys? Social taunting?  Some other form of punishment for being &#8220;effeminate&#8221;?  Spankings?  Beatings?</p>
<p>Kids will be kids.  Some kids don&#8217;t notice sex, gender, or attractions until later in life, some notice it earlier.   It sounds like these parents are encouraging their child to be a kid and live as they see fit.  They&#8217;re not considering reassignment surgery until they&#8217;re an adult, but are affirming their support if/when that time comes.  It may just be a phase, or it could be real, but in any case they love their child and will support them.  If more parents showed such unconditional love for their children this world would be a much better place.</p>
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