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		<title>Comment on Son of Hamas Founder Interview by bellizima</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for posting this!  I have a huge burden in my heart for Muslims worldwide.  I pray daily for God to lead them to Christ.  Check out this documentary on youtube, and to keep watching 10 minute segments of the documentary, keep clicking the "this is a video response to..."  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90ozM2DmkaQ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting this!  I have a huge burden in my heart for Muslims worldwide.  I pray daily for God to lead them to Christ.  Check out this documentary on youtube, and to keep watching 10 minute segments of the documentary, keep clicking the &#8220;this is a video response to&#8230;&#8221;  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90ozM2DmkaQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90ozM2DmkaQ</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Americans starting to implant RFID chips in humans by bellizima</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This not only reminds me of '1984', but it also reminds me of Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Logos: Father or Son? by poetmate</title>
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		<dc:creator>poetmate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 04:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is Jesus his own Father?  In the same way that the Logos and the imortal, invisible God have a father/son relationship is the same way that the Logos and Jesus have that relationship.  The limitless God formed himself into a God with limits in order to relate to us - the Logos.  Then the Logos formed into a human being in order to live with us and die for us.

Look up oneness a little.  I think you will find that they baptise in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, believing that Jesus is the Father, is the Son and is the Holy Spirit.  Thus Brother Branham counters - is Jesus his own father?  The truth is slightly different - Jesus is God in the role of the Son, not in the role of the Father or the Spirit.  

http://www.gospeloutreach.net/opgospel.html#unbi

Have a look at the upci link again, at questions 13 and 14.  This is where the differences start to creep in.  They are identifying the immortal, invisible God with the manifestation of God in the form of the Logos.  In one way this is true, but if you limit the infinite Father God to the form of the Logos, you are confusing things.  Jesus is not the Father - he is the Logos in the form of the Son (God amoung us).  Jehovah is not the immortal invisible God, he is the Logos in the form of God the Father.  

Remember now, when John saw the one on the Throne in heaven, he did not see Jesus Christ, for Jesus is the Lamb making intercession.  The upci is pointing you to believe that it was Jesus Christ on the throne.  (q22)  The difference to me is clear - if you make your focus on the man Jesus only, and do not see God in his different offices and roles, you will loose your place in scripture pretty quickly.

So when Brother Branham taught baptism, he taught that the one name includes the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.  This is the standing between the two trees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is Jesus his own Father?  In the same way that the Logos and the imortal, invisible God have a father/son relationship is the same way that the Logos and Jesus have that relationship.  The limitless God formed himself into a God with limits in order to relate to us &#8211; the Logos.  Then the Logos formed into a human being in order to live with us and die for us.</p>
<p>Look up oneness a little.  I think you will find that they baptise in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, believing that Jesus is the Father, is the Son and is the Holy Spirit.  Thus Brother Branham counters &#8211; is Jesus his own father?  The truth is slightly different &#8211; Jesus is God in the role of the Son, not in the role of the Father or the Spirit.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.gospeloutreach.net/opgospel.html#unbi" rel="nofollow">http://www.gospeloutreach.net/opgospel.html#unbi</a></p>
<p>Have a look at the upci link again, at questions 13 and 14.  This is where the differences start to creep in.  They are identifying the immortal, invisible God with the manifestation of God in the form of the Logos.  In one way this is true, but if you limit the infinite Father God to the form of the Logos, you are confusing things.  Jesus is not the Father &#8211; he is the Logos in the form of the Son (God amoung us).  Jehovah is not the immortal invisible God, he is the Logos in the form of God the Father.  </p>
<p>Remember now, when John saw the one on the Throne in heaven, he did not see Jesus Christ, for Jesus is the Lamb making intercession.  The upci is pointing you to believe that it was Jesus Christ on the throne.  (q22)  The difference to me is clear &#8211; if you make your focus on the man Jesus only, and do not see God in his different offices and roles, you will loose your place in scripture pretty quickly.</p>
<p>So when Brother Branham taught baptism, he taught that the one name includes the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.  This is the standing between the two trees.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Godhead Part 4 The Son of God and the Word by Biddle716</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Count yourself blessed Mr. Demars, very few understand this fact(Godhead-Part 4).Enjoyed the video,was nice to feel the likemind.Strange thing about the truth in this world,your a stranger in a foreign land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Count yourself blessed Mr. Demars, very few understand this fact(Godhead-Part 4).Enjoyed the video,was nice to feel the likemind.Strange thing about the truth in this world,your a stranger in a foreign land.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Logos: Father or Son? by Jason DeMars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason DeMars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you in part, only that there is more to the picture of the relationship between Father and Son than just that the Son is a mask that the Father put on. Truly that is the case, but there is a bit more than the Son being a mask. Certainly Jesus Christ is God, but not in a Jesus-only sense nor a Trinitarian sense. 
Bro. Branham said that he is not a oneness or trinitarian, but that he stands in between them. If the difference is merely that the Son is a role that God played out then that would mean to me that Jesus was his own Father. 
Where I am at with my understanding is because I need to answer the questions, "How is Jesus not his own Father?" and "How is this teaching different than the oneness teaching?" 
While I agree with many points that the United Pentecostal Church makes in its teaching I don't feel we can stop there. http://www.upci.org/doctrine/60Questions.asp
These are my feeble attempts at describing this difference. How do you describe the difference from the oneness teaching?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you in part, only that there is more to the picture of the relationship between Father and Son than just that the Son is a mask that the Father put on. Truly that is the case, but there is a bit more than the Son being a mask. Certainly Jesus Christ is God, but not in a Jesus-only sense nor a Trinitarian sense.<br />
Bro. Branham said that he is not a oneness or trinitarian, but that he stands in between them. If the difference is merely that the Son is a role that God played out then that would mean to me that Jesus was his own Father.<br />
Where I am at with my understanding is because I need to answer the questions, &#8220;How is Jesus not his own Father?&#8221; and &#8220;How is this teaching different than the oneness teaching?&#8221;<br />
While I agree with many points that the United Pentecostal Church makes in its teaching I don&#8217;t feel we can stop there. <a href="http://www.upci.org/doctrine/60Questions.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.upci.org/doctrine/60Questions.asp</a><br />
These are my feeble attempts at describing this difference. How do you describe the difference from the oneness teaching?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Logos: Father or Son? by poetmate</title>
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		<dc:creator>poetmate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 01:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is something that I think you should consider.  God has no limits.  But when God formed into the Logos in the beginning, he took on himself limits - now he is visible.

Now in the fulness of time, God himself takes on even more limits - limiting himself to be a member of the human race.  And when God takes on those limits he is not a different individual, he is the same individual, but with limits.

So when Jesus said - it is not I, but my Father that dwelleth in me, he is not saying that he is not God, but that in his present role he cannot do those things - only by his interaction with the spirit of God in a different role can he do these things.  See, if you say Jesus was an individual, then you are making him a seperate being from God.  And if Jesus is not God through and through then all our hopes are in vain.  Jesus is Jehovah.  

/quote
Then as I turned and started along a familiar little pathway by the side of a pasture that crossed over to an L-shape in the woods, and something strange took place. All my experiences, I've never had anything like that. I looked at the top of the hill to my left from where I was standing, and there, coming up out of like the top of the hill, came three rainbows. And they were running some thirty-foot high. First, I looked and seen the Light and I just turned back, because I thought it might be the sun raising. On the second thought, it wasn't towards the sun; it was towards the south. And another thing, it was smooth, cloudy, rain, raining all over. That was August the twenty-fifth, last Friday morning, and you know how it was raining. And it's smooth clouds everywhere.
  24    And I looked again, and there it was, growing taller and taller, three rainbows. I took off my hat. I set down my gun. I started walking towards it with my hands up. Something just seemed to tell me, "This is close enough." I was going to set down and take off my boots that I had on, to see if I could walk a little closer. But I got within a few yards of it, and I seen the color of it, misting like a fog moving around. I stood still for a few moments. It was coming right out of the top of the little mountain. And I watched, as the three (one to the right, one to the left, and one in the center) running down into one bowl like... Ever what it was, was alive. It was moving and making Its motions. And I stood there just as it was graying dawn.
I turned and looked again, and I screamed out, "O God, what would You have Your servant know?"
Just then the Spirit of the Lord came in and said, "Jesus of the New Testament is Jehovah of the Old, He only changed His mask from Spirit to man." That was confirming, of course, my message of Him, letting me know, assured that these thirty-one years hasn't been in vain.
/end quote</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is something that I think you should consider.  God has no limits.  But when God formed into the Logos in the beginning, he took on himself limits &#8211; now he is visible.</p>
<p>Now in the fulness of time, God himself takes on even more limits &#8211; limiting himself to be a member of the human race.  And when God takes on those limits he is not a different individual, he is the same individual, but with limits.</p>
<p>So when Jesus said &#8211; it is not I, but my Father that dwelleth in me, he is not saying that he is not God, but that in his present role he cannot do those things &#8211; only by his interaction with the spirit of God in a different role can he do these things.  See, if you say Jesus was an individual, then you are making him a seperate being from God.  And if Jesus is not God through and through then all our hopes are in vain.  Jesus is Jehovah.  </p>
<p>/quote<br />
Then as I turned and started along a familiar little pathway by the side of a pasture that crossed over to an L-shape in the woods, and something strange took place. All my experiences, I&#8217;ve never had anything like that. I looked at the top of the hill to my left from where I was standing, and there, coming up out of like the top of the hill, came three rainbows. And they were running some thirty-foot high. First, I looked and seen the Light and I just turned back, because I thought it might be the sun raising. On the second thought, it wasn&#8217;t towards the sun; it was towards the south. And another thing, it was smooth, cloudy, rain, raining all over. That was August the twenty-fifth, last Friday morning, and you know how it was raining. And it&#8217;s smooth clouds everywhere.<br />
  24    And I looked again, and there it was, growing taller and taller, three rainbows. I took off my hat. I set down my gun. I started walking towards it with my hands up. Something just seemed to tell me, &#8220;This is close enough.&#8221; I was going to set down and take off my boots that I had on, to see if I could walk a little closer. But I got within a few yards of it, and I seen the color of it, misting like a fog moving around. I stood still for a few moments. It was coming right out of the top of the little mountain. And I watched, as the three (one to the right, one to the left, and one in the center) running down into one bowl like&#8230; Ever what it was, was alive. It was moving and making Its motions. And I stood there just as it was graying dawn.<br />
I turned and looked again, and I screamed out, &#8220;O God, what would You have Your servant know?&#8221;<br />
Just then the Spirit of the Lord came in and said, &#8220;Jesus of the New Testament is Jehovah of the Old, He only changed His mask from Spirit to man.&#8221; That was confirming, of course, my message of Him, letting me know, assured that these thirty-one years hasn&#8217;t been in vain.<br />
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		<title>Comment on Forever Perfect? by kendbooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>kendbooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post! I decided to look up that verse in the King James version:

Hebrews 10:14 - For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

The Philipps version:  - For by virtue of that one offering he has perfected for all time every one whom he makes holy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post! I decided to look up that verse in the King James version:</p>
<p>Hebrews 10:14 &#8211; For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.</p>
<p>The Philipps version:  &#8211; For by virtue of that one offering he has perfected for all time every one whom he makes holy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Logos: Father or Son? by Jason DeMars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason DeMars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see some aspects of it. I do have a few questions, but first. 

 "If Jesus was only God when the Logos came on him, how then are we saved by Gods own blood?"

When God begets a Son that is the life of God in that Son. Genetically Jesus' had God's blood flowing through his veins. 

There is a balance to keep. Here are a few quotes I look at to balance those things out. 

"The man the body was not deity, but deity was in the body."

"Now, they was looking at that little body that was borned of Mary. See? That wasn't God; that was the Son of God, but God was in that body."

In what manner was Jesus not God? 

Why did Jesus speak of his Father as a separate individual? Just as bro. Branham said he was not able to do the works, but that the Lord God does the works. Jesus said, I can't do these works, its my Father that dwells in me. Its the same principle as with the prophets except the prophets are not virgin born and are not the full expression of God as Jesus was. 

"Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works." John 14:10 

QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.ON.THE.SEALS_  JEFF.IN  SUNDAY_  63-0324M
  520-5  {380}    It's not me could take a little boy here laying--the doctors laying him on his back, with heart trouble tonight, and say, "Thus saith William Branham..." No. "THUS SAITH THE LORD, it's finished." And bring him down to the doctor the next day and it's all gone.
A kid with leukemia, till its eyes were bulged out, and yellow all over, and its stomach... until they taken it to the hospital to give it blood and things to even get it here; and in five minutes time, cry for a hamburger, and take it back to the doctor the next day and can't even find a trace of it. That's Thus Saith William Branham? That's THUS SAITH THE LORD. Yet He is an individual different from me, but the only way He's expressed is through me. See?
That's how Jesus and the Father was. Jesus said, "It's not Me that doeth the works, it's My Father that dwelleth in Me." Now, the Son of man shall ascend from heaven, which now is in heaven. See? What was it? He was omnipresent because He was God.

Here he says they are the same person, yet Jesus was an individual different from the Father. So, these are the things that I'm looking at. 

So if he is God totally from his birth in what manner was he just a man prior to his baptism? 

A lot of different aspects to balance out, for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see some aspects of it. I do have a few questions, but first. </p>
<p> &#8220;If Jesus was only God when the Logos came on him, how then are we saved by Gods own blood?&#8221;</p>
<p>When God begets a Son that is the life of God in that Son. Genetically Jesus&#8217; had God&#8217;s blood flowing through his veins. </p>
<p>There is a balance to keep. Here are a few quotes I look at to balance those things out. </p>
<p>&#8220;The man the body was not deity, but deity was in the body.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Now, they was looking at that little body that was borned of Mary. See? That wasn&#8217;t God; that was the Son of God, but God was in that body.&#8221;</p>
<p>In what manner was Jesus not God? </p>
<p>Why did Jesus speak of his Father as a separate individual? Just as bro. Branham said he was not able to do the works, but that the Lord God does the works. Jesus said, I can&#8217;t do these works, its my Father that dwells in me. Its the same principle as with the prophets except the prophets are not virgin born and are not the full expression of God as Jesus was. </p>
<p>&#8220;Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.&#8221; John 14:10 </p>
<p>QUESTIONS.AND.ANSWERS.ON.THE.SEALS_  JEFF.IN  SUNDAY_  63-0324M<br />
  520-5  {380}    It&#8217;s not me could take a little boy here laying&#8211;the doctors laying him on his back, with heart trouble tonight, and say, &#8220;Thus saith William Branham&#8230;&#8221; No. &#8220;THUS SAITH THE LORD, it&#8217;s finished.&#8221; And bring him down to the doctor the next day and it&#8217;s all gone.<br />
A kid with leukemia, till its eyes were bulged out, and yellow all over, and its stomach&#8230; until they taken it to the hospital to give it blood and things to even get it here; and in five minutes time, cry for a hamburger, and take it back to the doctor the next day and can&#8217;t even find a trace of it. That&#8217;s Thus Saith William Branham? That&#8217;s THUS SAITH THE LORD. Yet He is an individual different from me, but the only way He&#8217;s expressed is through me. See?<br />
That&#8217;s how Jesus and the Father was. Jesus said, &#8220;It&#8217;s not Me that doeth the works, it&#8217;s My Father that dwelleth in Me.&#8221; Now, the Son of man shall ascend from heaven, which now is in heaven. See? What was it? He was omnipresent because He was God.</p>
<p>Here he says they are the same person, yet Jesus was an individual different from the Father. So, these are the things that I&#8217;m looking at. </p>
<p>So if he is God totally from his birth in what manner was he just a man prior to his baptism? </p>
<p>A lot of different aspects to balance out, for sure.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Logos: Father or Son? by poetmate</title>
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		<description>Well, Jason, I still think you are missing something.  If Jesus was only God when the Logos came on him, how then are we saved by Gods own blood?  For the Spirit left him in the Garden.  Have a look up one of my favorite quotes "Jehovah crying"  The Jews all sought to stone him because he made himself God - the Father!  He said before Abraham was, I AM.  One of the greatest revelations is that Jesus of the New is Jehovah of the old.  He not only said "when you see me, you see the Father" but also "My Father and I are one."  One person of God, expressing himself in different bodies, different forms, with Jesus being the fullness of the Godhead bodily.   I'm sure you know the scriptures.

Maybe you should consider this - that there may be more than one meaning to the phrase "Son of God".  If the Logos is the only visible attribute or expression of the Father, then that could be termed the Son of God.  So now, we have the invisible Father God, filling all time and space, forming himself into a Son God, by which he relates to those he created in this bubble called time.  So all that is in the Father God is poured into the Logos - the Son of God.  "Glorify thou me Father with the Glory we had before the earth was" - The Logos and the invisible father speaking together.  This is now the "us" that created the worlds.

So now, everything that is in God is now starting to be expressed in a work of art we call the creation.  And the beginning of the creation of God is the Logos - the Son.  In the Logos God places his desire to be a Father, to be a Healer, to be a Son, to be the Holy Spirit, The rose of Sharon, and so on, and so on.  So now we have the Logos in the Old Testiment acting out the desire of God to be a Father.  The desire of God to express the seven names of Jehovah.  To be a healer.  To do this, the Logos uses different Bodies - the Pillar of Fire, Melchesidic, the Wheel within a Wheel.  God changing his mask.  Remember now, the Father God has been seen by no man at any time - so any time someone sees God, they are seeing the Son of God - the visible attribute of God.

So, in the fulness of time, there comes the Fulness of the Godhead bodily.  Jesus is born into the human race, but he is totally God - even from his birth.  Totally God yet God as a man.  Not in a man, but as a man.  Tempted in all points as we are.  Who can tempt God to do evil?  But God allowed himself to be limited in human flesh so he could partake in our temptations.  So on the river Jordan, the Spirit of God descends on him as a Dove, and a voice is heard.  What is the Dove?  An expression of the Logos.  What is the voice?  An expression of the Logos.  What is the man Jesus?  An expression (but the most complete one) of the Logos.  So, the spirit Logos tabernacles in Jesus, the Human Logos.  Both are expression of the invisible God.  But one is acting the role of the Father, God above us, and one in the Son, God with us.  Neither are God the Father, who no man has seen at any time.  But they are both God the Father expressing himself to us.

Do you see what I mean?  I'll send you a diagram :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Jason, I still think you are missing something.  If Jesus was only God when the Logos came on him, how then are we saved by Gods own blood?  For the Spirit left him in the Garden.  Have a look up one of my favorite quotes &#8220;Jehovah crying&#8221;  The Jews all sought to stone him because he made himself God &#8211; the Father!  He said before Abraham was, I AM.  One of the greatest revelations is that Jesus of the New is Jehovah of the old.  He not only said &#8220;when you see me, you see the Father&#8221; but also &#8220;My Father and I are one.&#8221;  One person of God, expressing himself in different bodies, different forms, with Jesus being the fullness of the Godhead bodily.   I&#8217;m sure you know the scriptures.</p>
<p>Maybe you should consider this &#8211; that there may be more than one meaning to the phrase &#8220;Son of God&#8221;.  If the Logos is the only visible attribute or expression of the Father, then that could be termed the Son of God.  So now, we have the invisible Father God, filling all time and space, forming himself into a Son God, by which he relates to those he created in this bubble called time.  So all that is in the Father God is poured into the Logos &#8211; the Son of God.  &#8220;Glorify thou me Father with the Glory we had before the earth was&#8221; &#8211; The Logos and the invisible father speaking together.  This is now the &#8220;us&#8221; that created the worlds.</p>
<p>So now, everything that is in God is now starting to be expressed in a work of art we call the creation.  And the beginning of the creation of God is the Logos &#8211; the Son.  In the Logos God places his desire to be a Father, to be a Healer, to be a Son, to be the Holy Spirit, The rose of Sharon, and so on, and so on.  So now we have the Logos in the Old Testiment acting out the desire of God to be a Father.  The desire of God to express the seven names of Jehovah.  To be a healer.  To do this, the Logos uses different Bodies &#8211; the Pillar of Fire, Melchesidic, the Wheel within a Wheel.  God changing his mask.  Remember now, the Father God has been seen by no man at any time &#8211; so any time someone sees God, they are seeing the Son of God &#8211; the visible attribute of God.</p>
<p>So, in the fulness of time, there comes the Fulness of the Godhead bodily.  Jesus is born into the human race, but he is totally God &#8211; even from his birth.  Totally God yet God as a man.  Not in a man, but as a man.  Tempted in all points as we are.  Who can tempt God to do evil?  But God allowed himself to be limited in human flesh so he could partake in our temptations.  So on the river Jordan, the Spirit of God descends on him as a Dove, and a voice is heard.  What is the Dove?  An expression of the Logos.  What is the voice?  An expression of the Logos.  What is the man Jesus?  An expression (but the most complete one) of the Logos.  So, the spirit Logos tabernacles in Jesus, the Human Logos.  Both are expression of the invisible God.  But one is acting the role of the Father, God above us, and one in the Son, God with us.  Neither are God the Father, who no man has seen at any time.  But they are both God the Father expressing himself to us.</p>
<p>Do you see what I mean?  I&#8217;ll send you a diagram <img src='http://presenttruthmn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Logos: Father or Son? by Jason DeMars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason DeMars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 02:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey brother, The purpose is definitely not to complicate it, but to take what was taught in each aspect and understand it clearly, which of course, I realize is what all of us try to do, its definitely not unique to me. ;-) 
I guess one difference is that I would describe the difference between the Son who was born of Mary and the Logos that came upon him and was in him  - ie the Father, the invisible, eternal God. Jesus was anointed with the Spirit (Logos as bro. Branham put it in that quote) at his baptism. So, yes, you are speaking the truth in what you say and of course I agree with you, but would simply point out a little more of the difference between Father and Son. Of course, when you see the Son you see the Father, he is the visible expression of God. But still to understand the difference and yet the sameness. 

JESUS.CHRIST.THE.SAME.YESTERDAY.TODAY.AND.FOREVER_  CAMPBELLSVILLE.KY  SATURDAY_  55-0806

And with such a shifting condition as we're in today, how can faith rest itself? You got to come back to the Bible, back to the truth. And when Jesus, a carpenter's Son, physically speaking, when He come to the earth here that's all He was known of, and the day that when John baptized Him, God a vindicated Him. God spoke from the heavens. John saw Him coming in the form a dove, and said, "This is My beloved Son in Whom I'm pleased to dwell." The right translation there is, "In whom I am pleased to dwell in." &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Jesus immediately anointed with God, He was just a man till that time, but now He becomes the God-man.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;Someone telling me here not long ago, as I many times referred to it in this shiftless day, that He was just a prophet, He was a good man. He was more than that. He was the anointed God. The Bible said, "God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself." God in Christ. Amen.

WHAT.IS.THE.WORKS.OF.GOD_  LA.CA  SATURDAY_  59-0404
  E-20    Now, when Jesus made Hisself known to the Jew... Let's just look into the Scripture and see what He did to the Jew to make Himself known as the Messiah. I was reading out of the book of Saint John. Let's just take Saint John, the 1st chapter. And as we read, we find out after He was tempted in the wilderness, came out, He was anointed with the Holy Spirit, was in Him. "John bare record, seeing God descending out of heaven like a dove, a voice saying, 'This is My beloved Son in Whom I'm pleased to dwell in.'" And He dwelt in Christ. &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;God, Jehovah, the Father dwelt in His Son Jesus Christ, tabernacled there, manifesting Himself, showing the world what He was&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;.
That's the reason His disciples couldn't understand Him. They say, "You speak in riddles." It was sometime Jesus speaking, sometime the Father speaking.

1. He became the God-man when the Spirit came upon him at his baptism and 

2. God, Jehovah, the Father dwelt in his Son Jesus Christ at his baptism. 

So, of course, not at all trying to complicate it, just trying to understand each aspect properly. Hope that makes sense. 

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey brother, The purpose is definitely not to complicate it, but to take what was taught in each aspect and understand it clearly, which of course, I realize is what all of us try to do, its definitely not unique to me. <img src='http://presenttruthmn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I guess one difference is that I would describe the difference between the Son who was born of Mary and the Logos that came upon him and was in him  &#8211; ie the Father, the invisible, eternal God. Jesus was anointed with the Spirit (Logos as bro. Branham put it in that quote) at his baptism. So, yes, you are speaking the truth in what you say and of course I agree with you, but would simply point out a little more of the difference between Father and Son. Of course, when you see the Son you see the Father, he is the visible expression of God. But still to understand the difference and yet the sameness. </p>
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<p>And with such a shifting condition as we&#8217;re in today, how can faith rest itself? You got to come back to the Bible, back to the truth. And when Jesus, a carpenter&#8217;s Son, physically speaking, when He come to the earth here that&#8217;s all He was known of, and the day that when John baptized Him, God a vindicated Him. God spoke from the heavens. John saw Him coming in the form a dove, and said, &#8220;This is My beloved Son in Whom I&#8217;m pleased to dwell.&#8221; The right translation there is, &#8220;In whom I am pleased to dwell in.&#8221; <em><strong>Jesus immediately anointed with God, He was just a man till that time, but now He becomes the God-man.</strong></em>Someone telling me here not long ago, as I many times referred to it in this shiftless day, that He was just a prophet, He was a good man. He was more than that. He was the anointed God. The Bible said, &#8220;God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.&#8221; God in Christ. Amen.</p>
<p>WHAT.IS.THE.WORKS.OF.GOD_  LA.CA  SATURDAY_  59-0404<br />
  E-20    Now, when Jesus made Hisself known to the Jew&#8230; Let&#8217;s just look into the Scripture and see what He did to the Jew to make Himself known as the Messiah. I was reading out of the book of Saint John. Let&#8217;s just take Saint John, the 1st chapter. And as we read, we find out after He was tempted in the wilderness, came out, He was anointed with the Holy Spirit, was in Him. &#8220;John bare record, seeing God descending out of heaven like a dove, a voice saying, &#8216;This is My beloved Son in Whom I&#8217;m pleased to dwell in.&#8217;&#8221; And He dwelt in Christ. <em><strong>God, Jehovah, the Father dwelt in His Son Jesus Christ, tabernacled there, manifesting Himself, showing the world what He was</strong></em>.<br />
That&#8217;s the reason His disciples couldn&#8217;t understand Him. They say, &#8220;You speak in riddles.&#8221; It was sometime Jesus speaking, sometime the Father speaking.</p>
<p>1. He became the God-man when the Spirit came upon him at his baptism and </p>
<p>2. God, Jehovah, the Father dwelt in his Son Jesus Christ at his baptism. </p>
<p>So, of course, not at all trying to complicate it, just trying to understand each aspect properly. Hope that makes sense. </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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