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		<title>Comment on Scared of Men by Rachel R. White</title>
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		<description>Comment monster-- not even sure where to start. I like your self-assuredness and the gall that comment took but I have a sinking feeling some commenters might disagree with you-- seriously ALL men? What about Asexual men? What about our dear commenter, BK for that matter? BK, thoughts? Back me up? Disagree? 

QRG, yay for invoking Freud! He is so unpopular these days, but I actually think he has a lot to offer and that we culturally have not learned all that much from his theories...and could stand to! Why do I end up always liking the thinkers that are unpopular with current intellectuals-- hemingway also, paglia. Perhaps I just veer toward the anti pic in this very pc environment of the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment monster&#8211; not even sure where to start. I like your self-assuredness and the gall that comment took but I have a sinking feeling some commenters might disagree with you&#8211; seriously ALL men? What about Asexual men? What about our dear commenter, BK for that matter? BK, thoughts? Back me up? Disagree? </p>
<p>QRG, yay for invoking Freud! He is so unpopular these days, but I actually think he has a lot to offer and that we culturally have not learned all that much from his theories&#8230;and could stand to! Why do I end up always liking the thinkers that are unpopular with current intellectuals&#8211; hemingway also, paglia. Perhaps I just veer toward the anti pic in this very pc environment of the internet.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Scared of Men by quiet riot girl</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think my fear of intimate encounters with professionals is gendered.

And when it comes to teachers, I have tended to get on better with men teachers than women.

As for Gay men I don't feel threatened by them but I have had some horrendous experiences with them and don't feel they are 'safe' in the way many women seem to.

I have only had long term counseling/therapy with a woman though. I think there, gender would affect things, as Freud has written about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think my fear of intimate encounters with professionals is gendered.</p>
<p>And when it comes to teachers, I have tended to get on better with men teachers than women.</p>
<p>As for Gay men I don&#8217;t feel threatened by them but I have had some horrendous experiences with them and don&#8217;t feel they are &#8216;safe&#8217; in the way many women seem to.</p>
<p>I have only had long term counseling/therapy with a woman though. I think there, gender would affect things, as Freud has written about.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Can Men and Women Just be Friends? or the Line of Being “Just Friends” &amp; Hating that Question by Comment Monster</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 03:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This won't be PC or even SC (sexually correct). I'm a 50-something deliriously-married male, 8 years coming up, second marriage, third relationship where I considered marriage.

I've had lots of female friends. I've wanted to fuck every one of them. The only female friends I haven't wanted to fuck are those mediated through my wife, and I still think about fucking about half of them. 

When I've been single, I've seriously wanted to fuck all my female friends. Until reading the comments above, I'd never thought about it, but I've never had a close female friend who wasn't at least kinda hot. I've never gotten one of them into bed. I can't decide if that's ethics or ineptitude. I'm going with ethics.

As married as I am, my female friends are still idle morning shower daydream fodder. Mostly when my wife is being bitchy. Otherwise, her doing things I haven't yet been able to talk her into keeps me occupied as I lather up and get off.

As Jimi Hendrix sang, Excuse me for being a guy!

I'm thinking right now about one past woman in particular, ok, maybe two or three. She knew goddamn well that I was head over heels for her. Long story short, I couldn't get over the unconsummated hump, and then we booked a European trip together with a single bedroom and single bed and she went whaaat? how did you ever get the idea...? Well, you get the idea. A few other women after that paid for her sins.

Ok, enough reminiscing. Ladies:

Unless you met a guy through a woman he was with, if he's still talking to you, he thinks about fucking you. Like, he tisssue-thinks. If you're grossed out by the idea of him jerking off to you, pull the plug. You're just being mean and selfish. Let him go and let him jerk off thinking about revenge-sex with you. Costs you nothing unless he's crazy, and contrary to popular belief, few men are.

Unless a guy friend that you made on your very own is in a very happy relationship, he seriously would like to fuck you. Bask in the glow of  meditating on him occasionally tissue-thinking about you whenever you get invited over to their house for dinner. But make no mistake--if they break up, he wants to fuck you.

All straight men think about fucking all women who aren't hideous. More or less seriously, depending on circumstances, morals, opportunity, finances, household income, whatever.

If you are a woman with a male friend who you are sure isn't into you....welll....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This won&#8217;t be PC or even SC (sexually correct). I&#8217;m a 50-something deliriously-married male, 8 years coming up, second marriage, third relationship where I considered marriage.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had lots of female friends. I&#8217;ve wanted to fuck every one of them. The only female friends I haven&#8217;t wanted to fuck are those mediated through my wife, and I still think about fucking about half of them. </p>
<p>When I&#8217;ve been single, I&#8217;ve seriously wanted to fuck all my female friends. Until reading the comments above, I&#8217;d never thought about it, but I&#8217;ve never had a close female friend who wasn&#8217;t at least kinda hot. I&#8217;ve never gotten one of them into bed. I can&#8217;t decide if that&#8217;s ethics or ineptitude. I&#8217;m going with ethics.</p>
<p>As married as I am, my female friends are still idle morning shower daydream fodder. Mostly when my wife is being bitchy. Otherwise, her doing things I haven&#8217;t yet been able to talk her into keeps me occupied as I lather up and get off.</p>
<p>As Jimi Hendrix sang, Excuse me for being a guy!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking right now about one past woman in particular, ok, maybe two or three. She knew goddamn well that I was head over heels for her. Long story short, I couldn&#8217;t get over the unconsummated hump, and then we booked a European trip together with a single bedroom and single bed and she went whaaat? how did you ever get the idea&#8230;? Well, you get the idea. A few other women after that paid for her sins.</p>
<p>Ok, enough reminiscing. Ladies:</p>
<p>Unless you met a guy through a woman he was with, if he&#8217;s still talking to you, he thinks about fucking you. Like, he tisssue-thinks. If you&#8217;re grossed out by the idea of him jerking off to you, pull the plug. You&#8217;re just being mean and selfish. Let him go and let him jerk off thinking about revenge-sex with you. Costs you nothing unless he&#8217;s crazy, and contrary to popular belief, few men are.</p>
<p>Unless a guy friend that you made on your very own is in a very happy relationship, he seriously would like to fuck you. Bask in the glow of  meditating on him occasionally tissue-thinking about you whenever you get invited over to their house for dinner. But make no mistake&#8211;if they break up, he wants to fuck you.</p>
<p>All straight men think about fucking all women who aren&#8217;t hideous. More or less seriously, depending on circumstances, morals, opportunity, finances, household income, whatever.</p>
<p>If you are a woman with a male friend who you are sure isn&#8217;t into you&#8230;.welll&#8230;.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm glad you made this post because I can relate to it, and I've often wondered WHY I have this reaction to men. I think a lot of it has to do with the things my mom told me when I was growing up. She was a very relaxed parent (I don't mean this negatively -- she just believed in letting my brothers and me explore the world and make mistakes and grow from them) yet when it came to letting me go spend the night at my friend's house, she was always concerned about me being around my friend's father, and she sent me off with many warnings. Nothing ever happened to me, but I'm still super wary about these kinds of things. I have these ideas in my head that every older man potentially wants to sexually molest me. It's annoying, since it is mostly irrational. In any case, I always try to find female doctors and counselors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you made this post because I can relate to it, and I&#8217;ve often wondered WHY I have this reaction to men. I think a lot of it has to do with the things my mom told me when I was growing up. She was a very relaxed parent (I don&#8217;t mean this negatively &#8212; she just believed in letting my brothers and me explore the world and make mistakes and grow from them) yet when it came to letting me go spend the night at my friend&#8217;s house, she was always concerned about me being around my friend&#8217;s father, and she sent me off with many warnings. Nothing ever happened to me, but I&#8217;m still super wary about these kinds of things. I have these ideas in my head that every older man potentially wants to sexually molest me. It&#8217;s annoying, since it is mostly irrational. In any case, I always try to find female doctors and counselors.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Scared of Men by Cathrine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 21:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! but why?! Why is it scarier that way???</description>
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		<title>Comment on Scared of Men by Ayesha</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really interesting-- because I'm the total opposite! I actually am more comfortable with male doctors as opposed to female doctors, especially when it comes to my gynecologist. I've tried both female and male gynecologists and I definitely prefer male-- I don't really think it has to do with anything sexual on my part, it's more that I've found women to be judgmental and accusatory when I'm having an issue, and men tend to be more matter of fact and able to listen without me feeling like I am being judged. I've also found male gynecologists to be more respectful of my body, privacy, and more gentle too. This is just my experience, but I thought I'd share.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really interesting&#8211; because I&#8217;m the total opposite! I actually am more comfortable with male doctors as opposed to female doctors, especially when it comes to my gynecologist. I&#8217;ve tried both female and male gynecologists and I definitely prefer male&#8211; I don&#8217;t really think it has to do with anything sexual on my part, it&#8217;s more that I&#8217;ve found women to be judgmental and accusatory when I&#8217;m having an issue, and men tend to be more matter of fact and able to listen without me feeling like I am being judged. I&#8217;ve also found male gynecologists to be more respectful of my body, privacy, and more gentle too. This is just my experience, but I thought I&#8217;d share.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel R. White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catherine, so funny to me to that in my case that scenario that I will want to do something more is somehow more scary! In a way. Y'know? :)

Dani, I mean I guess it does make sense to want to see a doctor of the same sex. But so much of gender is an illusion as well. What about non gender identifying people? People who are a-gender, inter-gender, gender-queer-- I am curious how they feel!!

Alan, Yes of course I highly doubt any doctor goes into gynecology for a sexual reason but thanks for the bit of reality and reminder! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine, so funny to me to that in my case that scenario that I will want to do something more is somehow more scary! In a way. Y&#8217;know? <img src='http://rachelrabbitwhite.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Dani, I mean I guess it does make sense to want to see a doctor of the same sex. But so much of gender is an illusion as well. What about non gender identifying people? People who are a-gender, inter-gender, gender-queer&#8211; I am curious how they feel!!</p>
<p>Alan, Yes of course I highly doubt any doctor goes into gynecology for a sexual reason but thanks for the bit of reality and reminder! <img src='http://rachelrabbitwhite.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rachel,
I had to weigh in on this topic because my father, an extremely gentle man, and a gentleman, was a gynecologist who became of of the first infertility specialists. Working in his lab the summer after I graduated high school, I found out he had heating pads under the speculums (specula?) to keep them from being icy. Nice touch.  I was told by friends that saw him for infertility workups that he was a kind and respectful doctor. 
My dad wanted to go into the new fields of cardiac surgery or neurology when he finished his internship, but was told point blank that the WASP medical establishment in Chicago in 1941 wouldn't give referrals to non WASP doctors--they wanted those new fields for themselves. The only speciality a Jewish doctor could go into if he (or she) wanted to not be a GP was internal medicine, pediatrics or OB/GYN. He realized he didn't want to watch people die at the end of life, so he went into OB, where life began,  and landed with a doctor who was very interested in the causes of infertility. He didn't go into OB/GNY for any sexual reason.

 I'm sure glad there are more female OB/GYN docs now. I would be comfortable using a female internist, or even a female urologist if I needed one. My only criteria would be competence and a good exam table-side manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rachel,<br />
I had to weigh in on this topic because my father, an extremely gentle man, and a gentleman, was a gynecologist who became of of the first infertility specialists. Working in his lab the summer after I graduated high school, I found out he had heating pads under the speculums (specula?) to keep them from being icy. Nice touch.  I was told by friends that saw him for infertility workups that he was a kind and respectful doctor.<br />
My dad wanted to go into the new fields of cardiac surgery or neurology when he finished his internship, but was told point blank that the WASP medical establishment in Chicago in 1941 wouldn&#8217;t give referrals to non WASP doctors&#8211;they wanted those new fields for themselves. The only speciality a Jewish doctor could go into if he (or she) wanted to not be a GP was internal medicine, pediatrics or OB/GYN. He realized he didn&#8217;t want to watch people die at the end of life, so he went into OB, where life began,  and landed with a doctor who was very interested in the causes of infertility. He didn&#8217;t go into OB/GNY for any sexual reason.</p>
<p> I&#8217;m sure glad there are more female OB/GYN docs now. I would be comfortable using a female internist, or even a female urologist if I needed one. My only criteria would be competence and a good exam table-side manner.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 19:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I relate to this so much! Growing up my idea of men was always on the negative side, probably due to my family problems and the way my mum always talked about men. She didn't mean to be teaching me this specific way of thinking about men but regardless it kind of stuck with me up to now. I think a lot of women have these assumptions and stereotypes that society and peers feed us; we know they aren't true across the board but they stay in our mind anyways. As for appointments and such, I think it's natural to want a doctor of the same sex especially if it involves physical exams etc. 
Interesting post as usual :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I relate to this so much! Growing up my idea of men was always on the negative side, probably due to my family problems and the way my mum always talked about men. She didn&#8217;t mean to be teaching me this specific way of thinking about men but regardless it kind of stuck with me up to now. I think a lot of women have these assumptions and stereotypes that society and peers feed us; we know they aren&#8217;t true across the board but they stay in our mind anyways. As for appointments and such, I think it&#8217;s natural to want a doctor of the same sex especially if it involves physical exams etc.<br />
Interesting post as usual <img src='http://rachelrabbitwhite.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was about 22, I fell out of romance with my boyfriend of four years. He had been my first serious boyfriend, and he provided exactly the kind of love that helped me heal and grow after years of being unkind to myself and having bad and abusive relationships with other people. I had needed a true friend and he had become exactly that. We broke up but stayed in touch, casually losing track of each other and catching up again. It didn't feel sore.

A few years later, I moved to a new town for a fresh start with a new job and a couple of months into paying a rent I couldn't really afford, he got kicked out of his place when his landlord decided to sell. So we moved in together with another friend. 
During the following two years, we wove been the "friends with benefits" posts (which ultimately confused things, but felt right at the time). Then I went away to work for a few months, which gave us time to clarify. When I came back I knew that the foggy comfortable place we'd made for ourselves wasn't going to end up where either of us wanted to be and we had a good talk about it and decided "not to keep doing what we're doing" - that nameless otherthing that wasn't boyfriend/girlfriend and wasn't brother/sister. Clean break.

We each moved out and within six months, he was married and I had a new boyfriend. It was painful, because in this true separation we lost much of the intimacy and support that felt so integral to our friendship. It was a period of grieving that we probably both needed and hadn't really had when we broke up those years earlier.

At least a year before we really hung out together, but when we did we clicked back onto the rails as if we hadn't had such a gap between conversations.

There isn't a romantic-relationship in our future. Neither of us want that, but we both acknowledge that our friendship is something valuable to both of us - even if we're not in each other's pockets. We relish the catch ups and there isn't any awkwardness in our being casual around each other. 

So, I suppose I can say that in my experience; Men and Women CAN be just/good/best friends, but you both need to be in the right place with yourselves before you can be in that same right place together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was about 22, I fell out of romance with my boyfriend of four years. He had been my first serious boyfriend, and he provided exactly the kind of love that helped me heal and grow after years of being unkind to myself and having bad and abusive relationships with other people. I had needed a true friend and he had become exactly that. We broke up but stayed in touch, casually losing track of each other and catching up again. It didn&#8217;t feel sore.</p>
<p>A few years later, I moved to a new town for a fresh start with a new job and a couple of months into paying a rent I couldn&#8217;t really afford, he got kicked out of his place when his landlord decided to sell. So we moved in together with another friend.<br />
During the following two years, we wove been the &#8220;friends with benefits&#8221; posts (which ultimately confused things, but felt right at the time). Then I went away to work for a few months, which gave us time to clarify. When I came back I knew that the foggy comfortable place we&#8217;d made for ourselves wasn&#8217;t going to end up where either of us wanted to be and we had a good talk about it and decided &#8220;not to keep doing what we&#8217;re doing&#8221; &#8211; that nameless otherthing that wasn&#8217;t boyfriend/girlfriend and wasn&#8217;t brother/sister. Clean break.</p>
<p>We each moved out and within six months, he was married and I had a new boyfriend. It was painful, because in this true separation we lost much of the intimacy and support that felt so integral to our friendship. It was a period of grieving that we probably both needed and hadn&#8217;t really had when we broke up those years earlier.</p>
<p>At least a year before we really hung out together, but when we did we clicked back onto the rails as if we hadn&#8217;t had such a gap between conversations.</p>
<p>There isn&#8217;t a romantic-relationship in our future. Neither of us want that, but we both acknowledge that our friendship is something valuable to both of us &#8211; even if we&#8217;re not in each other&#8217;s pockets. We relish the catch ups and there isn&#8217;t any awkwardness in our being casual around each other. </p>
<p>So, I suppose I can say that in my experience; Men and Women CAN be just/good/best friends, but you both need to be in the right place with yourselves before you can be in that same right place together.</p>
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