Comments for Science in the open http://blog.openwetware.org/scienceintheopen An openwetware blog on the challenges of open and connected science Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:20:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Comment on Reflections on Science 2.0 from a distance - Part II by Cameron Neylon http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CommentsForScienceInTheOpen/~3/v5W_Pw_jEdw/ Cameron Neylon Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:59:46 +0000 http://blog.openwetware.org/scienceintheopen/2009/11/06/reflections-on-science-20-from-a-distance-part-ii/#comment-288789 I think I would give two answers to that question. One is whether there is a risk that describing things in terms of functional modules means we will find them. There is always a place for looking at things from multiple angles. The other is that I think what you are talking about is communicating knowledge and models, whereas I was focussed more on the capture. But over all I think most of this remains at an early stage. We should describe what we can with precisions, effectively capture what we are actually doing, but retain an open mind about the bigger picture. Although that's just really describing good science practice anyway I suppose. I think I would give two answers to that question. One is whether there is a risk that describing things in terms of functional modules means we will find them. There is always a place for looking at things from multiple angles.

The other is that I think what you are talking about is communicating knowledge and models, whereas I was focussed more on the capture. But over all I think most of this remains at an early stage. We should describe what we can with precisions, effectively capture what we are actually doing, but retain an open mind about the bigger picture. Although that’s just really describing good science practice anyway I suppose.

]]> http://blog.openwetware.org/scienceintheopen/2009/11/06/reflections-on-science-20-from-a-distance-part-ii/#comment-288789 Comment on Reflections on Science 2.0 from a distance - Part II by Rick Smith http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CommentsForScienceInTheOpen/~3/7l4UrlJyqzY/ Rick Smith Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:33:37 +0000 http://blog.openwetware.org/scienceintheopen/2009/11/06/reflections-on-science-20-from-a-distance-part-ii/#comment-288788 Given the nature of systems biology/complex systems with emergent behaviors, is it more instructive to build ontologies ad hoc, or to establish ontologies for known functional modules and then find them in unexplored systems? The latter idea was developed to a great extent in Miller's Living Systems, though they often feel less intuitive than they were probably meant to be Given the nature of systems biology/complex systems with emergent behaviors, is it more instructive to build ontologies ad hoc, or to establish ontologies for known functional modules and then find them in unexplored systems? The latter idea was developed to a great extent in Miller’s Living Systems, though they often feel less intuitive than they were probably meant to be

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]]> http://blog.openwetware.org/scienceintheopen/2009/11/06/reflections-on-science-20-from-a-distance-part-ii/#comment-288784 Comment on Reflections on Science 2.0 from a distance - Part I by Keith http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CommentsForScienceInTheOpen/~3/_Xxc8uUgGng/ Keith Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:59:53 +0000 http://blog.openwetware.org/scienceintheopen/2009/11/05/reflections-on-science-20-from-a-distance-part-i/#comment-288783 "The second key aspect of a blog post is that it natively comes with a unique URL" One problem that comes to mind would be the lack of permanence for web content. If a researcher decides to take down his or her blog, or even simply move the blog, then the URL's are no longer valid. Perhaps something between a blog and an online open-access journal with Wikipedia-like history tracking would fix the problem? “The second key aspect of a blog post is that it natively comes with a unique URL”

One problem that comes to mind would be the lack of permanence for web content. If a researcher decides to take down his or her blog, or even simply move the blog, then the URL’s are no longer valid. Perhaps something between a blog and an online open-access journal with Wikipedia-like history tracking would fix the problem?

]]> http://blog.openwetware.org/scienceintheopen/2009/11/05/reflections-on-science-20-from-a-distance-part-i/#comment-288783 Comment on Reflections on Science 2.0 from a distance - Part I by Cameron Neylon http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CommentsForScienceInTheOpen/~3/jG9takVy06w/ Cameron Neylon Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:07:46 +0000 http://blog.openwetware.org/scienceintheopen/2009/11/05/reflections-on-science-20-from-a-distance-part-i/#comment-288780 Rick I don't disagree. I'm more focussed on the volume of the minimal unit and the way that blogs seem to map nicely on the human part of record keeping. I agree that single measurements can easily be tweeted but single measurements have a fixed context so its not just the tweet. For example, we could regularly tweet the temperature of some probe but you have to know where that probe is, what it is measuring, and how time and temperature are measured for it to be be useful - which is more than just the single tweet. I am very much in favour of using the right tool for the right job. Rick I don’t disagree. I’m more focussed on the volume of the minimal unit and the way that blogs seem to map nicely on the human part of record keeping. I agree that single measurements can easily be tweeted but single measurements have a fixed context so its not just the tweet.

For example, we could regularly tweet the temperature of some probe but you have to know where that probe is, what it is measuring, and how time and temperature are measured for it to be be useful - which is more than just the single tweet. I am very much in favour of using the right tool for the right job.

]]> http://blog.openwetware.org/scienceintheopen/2009/11/05/reflections-on-science-20-from-a-distance-part-i/#comment-288780 Comment on Reflections on Science 2.0 from a distance - Part I by Rick Smith http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CommentsForScienceInTheOpen/~3/NoxwHMLvolk/ Rick Smith Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:53:47 +0000 http://blog.openwetware.org/scienceintheopen/2009/11/05/reflections-on-science-20-from-a-distance-part-i/#comment-288779 Although a blog post is a highly amenable tool, smaller chunks of data are also highly useful. A researcher could use twitter to rapidly post data, a blog to organize related tweets into a unified theme, and some form of wiki to organize the metadata so that knowledge can be more easily distributed. Twitter: @h2oindio Although a blog post is a highly amenable tool, smaller chunks of data are also highly useful.

A researcher could use twitter to rapidly post data, a blog to organize related tweets into a unified theme, and some form of wiki to organize the metadata so that knowledge can be more easily distributed.

Twitter: @h2oindio

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]]> http://blog.openwetware.org/scienceintheopen/2009/11/05/reflections-on-science-20-from-a-distance-part-i/#comment-288773 Comment on Policy for Open Science - reflections on the workshop by Cameron Neylon http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CommentsForScienceInTheOpen/~3/A8fpg0Oz7Z8/ Cameron Neylon Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:13:23 +0000 http://blog.openwetware.org/scienceintheopen/2008/07/18/policy-for-open-science-reflections-on-the-workshop/#comment-288772 Rick, I don't have any simple answers. I wrote this, what a year or so ago, and in many ways I'm no more positive today about where we are than I was then. There are lots of signs that open approaches are making a difference, but little actual funding to make that happen quicker. Like you say, when the rubber hits the road, people's real priorities come out, and most people just want to cover the rent and have a decent life. And taking these kinds of risks doesn't fit with that. As a grad student there are limited opportunities, even if you can get your own money, going the hardcore open route is a high risk strategy - but then so is shooting for a research career. At the moment my feeling is the best strategy is to spread the ideas where there is fertile ground, let them incubate, and be ready to strike when the opportunity arises. At least, that's the approach I'm taking anyway :-) Rick, I don’t have any simple answers. I wrote this, what a year or so ago, and in many ways I’m no more positive today about where we are than I was then. There are lots of signs that open approaches are making a difference, but little actual funding to make that happen quicker.

Like you say, when the rubber hits the road, people’s real priorities come out, and most people just want to cover the rent and have a decent life. And taking these kinds of risks doesn’t fit with that. As a grad student there are limited opportunities, even if you can get your own money, going the hardcore open route is a high risk strategy - but then so is shooting for a research career.

At the moment my feeling is the best strategy is to spread the ideas where there is fertile ground, let them incubate, and be ready to strike when the opportunity arises. At least, that’s the approach I’m taking anyway :-)

]]> http://blog.openwetware.org/scienceintheopen/2008/07/18/policy-for-open-science-reflections-on-the-workshop/#comment-288772 Comment on Policy for Open Science - reflections on the workshop by Rick Smith http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CommentsForScienceInTheOpen/~3/v--IyLIouws/ Rick Smith Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:07:05 +0000 http://blog.openwetware.org/scienceintheopen/2008/07/18/policy-for-open-science-reflections-on-the-workshop/#comment-288771 As a graduate student, and an "older" member of the internet generation, I see so much opportunity in the Open market. My biggest disconnect is that I want to make a change in my own institution - where I am *now*- and begin practicing Open within the course of my dissertation research. What can I do here and now? There are some PI's in my department willing to shoot the breeze and talk lofty ideas, but when rubber meets the road, there's just no money for this kind of research. How can I be a catalyst for change - where can I find funding for this kind of project? Twitter: @h2oindio As a graduate student, and an “older” member of the internet generation, I see so much opportunity in the Open market. My biggest disconnect is that I want to make a change in my own institution - where I am *now*- and begin practicing Open within the course of my dissertation research.

What can I do here and now?

There are some PI’s in my department willing to shoot the breeze and talk lofty ideas, but when rubber meets the road, there’s just no money for this kind of research.

How can I be a catalyst for change - where can I find funding for this kind of project?

Twitter: @h2oindio

]]> http://blog.openwetware.org/scienceintheopen/2008/07/18/policy-for-open-science-reflections-on-the-workshop/#comment-288771 Comment on Open Research: The personal, the social, and the political by Sindy http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CommentsForScienceInTheOpen/~3/6yRh32YvmFc/ Sindy Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:38:59 +0000 http://blog.openwetware.org/scienceintheopen/2009/10/10/open-research-the-personal-the-social-and-the-political/#comment-288720 Hi Eve, I met you at the Liasa conference in Bloemfontein, you gave us a good lecture about copyright,copyleft. I am trying to go through the delicious site as i have told you that i want to try to do that by myself. I am always feel overwhelmed to see what you are writing and your thoughts. I am so proud about you, Sindy Hi Eve, I met you at the Liasa conference in Bloemfontein, you gave us a good lecture about copyright,copyleft. I am trying to go through the delicious site as i have told you that i want to try to do that by myself. I am always feel overwhelmed to see what you are writing and your thoughts. I am so proud about you, Sindy

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