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		<title>Comment on Speak the word only by Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2012 04:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The younger children get hand-me-downs anyway.  We told our younger to enjoy the older's college visits since they would serve as the majority of his visits, too.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Speak the word only by marly youmans</title>
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		<dc:creator>marly youmans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only I had discovered this method when college-hunting with the first two. No. 3 will be doing a lot of gargling of names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only I had discovered this method when college-hunting with the first two. No. 3 will be doing a lot of gargling of names.</p>
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		<title>Comment on tion by Dale Favier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale Favier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(o)</description>
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		<title>Comment on John field notes 2c: Never said by Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, thanks. I'd love for this to turn into stew.  (Maybe chili. I'm in the mood for chili.)

I love where metaphor slams into the literal minded.  I slow down metaphor so my ninth graders can watch themselves experience it.  I teach three stages of experiencing metaphor: confusion, realization (that we're dealing with a metaphor), and greater understanding.

I use &lt;a href="http://www.visit4ads.com/advert/Tango-Clear-Metaphor-Tango-Range/28826" rel="nofollow"&gt;this Tango Clear ad&lt;/a&gt; in which the viewer goes through the three stages: 1. Confusion (the appearance of the fireman, the islander, the Eskimo, etc.), 2. Realization ("It's just a metaphor"), and 3. Greater understanding (Tango Clear is refreshing).

Then we experience &lt;a href="http://www.poemhunter.com/best-poems/sylvia-plath/metaphors" rel="nofollow"&gt;Sylvia Plath's poem "Metaphors"&lt;/a&gt;  together, realizing that we're going through the same three stages.

I think this text in John slows down and examines the same three stages. It's like the Tango Clear ad because each character is at a different stage of experiencing metaphor.  The Jews never learn that "temple" is a metaphor for body. The disciples are like the slow-to-understand boss in the ad. And Mary and Nathanael in the surrounding stories who get Jesus' unclear referents are like the Tango Clear coworker: "Nice metaphor."

I think the ad shares one effective attribute with John's gospel: the viewer isn't exactly represented by any of the characters. We're not a clueless as the boss or as tuned in as the coworker. Similarly, we're not as clueless as the Jews, but we don't grapple with the text over years like the disciples.  It all comes so easily for the viewer and the reader.  Or does it? That's what haunts me about John.  It never speaks to me directly. The text itself hides the truth as fast as it purports to testify to it. East meets West.

And I don't know enough about Essene thought to contribute anything, but I'm glad to learn about it.

Anyway, if grammar is a reflection of morality, as I was implicitly taught growing up, then maybe metaphor is a matter of spiritual insight.

Because I agree with you that the misapprehension here doesn't reflect a simple mistake. Instead, it's like a quick brushstroke that suggests a more deep-seated spiritual problem. I just love the way it all turns on a word's meaning, just as other quick portraits in John turn on an allusion to a fig tree (Nathanael) or on a Hebrew idiom (Jesus' mother at the wedding).

Though I guess the Jews in this passage would have understood the reference to the body as a temple. I guess they didn't connect the old with the new, didn't connect their understanding of the body as a temple as applicable here. And maybe that says something about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, thanks. I&#8217;d love for this to turn into stew.  (Maybe chili. I&#8217;m in the mood for chili.)</p>
<p>I love where metaphor slams into the literal minded.  I slow down metaphor so my ninth graders can watch themselves experience it.  I teach three stages of experiencing metaphor: confusion, realization (that we&#8217;re dealing with a metaphor), and greater understanding.</p>
<p>I use <a href="http://www.visit4ads.com/advert/Tango-Clear-Metaphor-Tango-Range/28826" rel="nofollow">this Tango Clear ad</a> in which the viewer goes through the three stages: 1. Confusion (the appearance of the fireman, the islander, the Eskimo, etc.), 2. Realization (&#8220;It&#8217;s just a metaphor&#8221;), and 3. Greater understanding (Tango Clear is refreshing).</p>
<p>Then we experience <a href="http://www.poemhunter.com/best-poems/sylvia-plath/metaphors" rel="nofollow">Sylvia Plath&#8217;s poem &#8220;Metaphors&#8221;</a>  together, realizing that we&#8217;re going through the same three stages.</p>
<p>I think this text in John slows down and examines the same three stages. It&#8217;s like the Tango Clear ad because each character is at a different stage of experiencing metaphor.  The Jews never learn that &#8220;temple&#8221; is a metaphor for body. The disciples are like the slow-to-understand boss in the ad. And Mary and Nathanael in the surrounding stories who get Jesus&#8217; unclear referents are like the Tango Clear coworker: &#8220;Nice metaphor.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the ad shares one effective attribute with John&#8217;s gospel: the viewer isn&#8217;t exactly represented by any of the characters. We&#8217;re not a clueless as the boss or as tuned in as the coworker. Similarly, we&#8217;re not as clueless as the Jews, but we don&#8217;t grapple with the text over years like the disciples.  It all comes so easily for the viewer and the reader.  Or does it? That&#8217;s what haunts me about John.  It never speaks to me directly. The text itself hides the truth as fast as it purports to testify to it. East meets West.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t know enough about Essene thought to contribute anything, but I&#8217;m glad to learn about it.</p>
<p>Anyway, if grammar is a reflection of morality, as I was implicitly taught growing up, then maybe metaphor is a matter of spiritual insight.</p>
<p>Because I agree with you that the misapprehension here doesn&#8217;t reflect a simple mistake. Instead, it&#8217;s like a quick brushstroke that suggests a more deep-seated spiritual problem. I just love the way it all turns on a word&#8217;s meaning, just as other quick portraits in John turn on an allusion to a fig tree (Nathanael) or on a Hebrew idiom (Jesus&#8217; mother at the wedding).</p>
<p>Though I guess the Jews in this passage would have understood the reference to the body as a temple. I guess they didn&#8217;t connect the old with the new, didn&#8217;t connect their understanding of the body as a temple as applicable here. And maybe that says something about them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Jacob by Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucy, you're right! It's the strong mood or tone the dream leaves me with that matters more than the dream's events (or even the dream's "meaning"). To relate that strong emotion, I often write the dream's events in my journal. Months later I might reread an account.  The rare successful one will conjure up the mood or tone that motivated me to write it in the first place.

I guess I write the narrative down in the belief that the narrative causes the tone and could also recreate it.  Writing now, I'm not so sure. Good writers turn narrative to tone, but I'm not sure dreams do. Maybe the narrative and the feeling have an uneasy relationship in dreams.

I think my journal entries are my efforts to keep hold of it, as you put it, before I rise to the waking world.

I wasn't being fair to you in my earlier comment. You expressed yourself well, and I thought I might be coming across as petulant. Forgive me! I do find it hard to listen to others' dreams, though, perhaps because most accounts focus exclusively on the dream's narrative.

I am jealous of other people's dreams, too.  Victoria wakes up with such vivid ones! She'll talk of them as if she were returning from the cinema. Mine usually expose -- the best ones even clarify -- some real-life struggle. I also don't remember all the detail others seem to.  Every now and then, quite rarely, I get one I think is creative -- a hint of something unclear that I need to pay attention to. The creativity isn't usually just in the dream's narrative but also in the tone.  Those dreams I write down, too, more out of wonder than to practice getting across mood in narrative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucy, you&#8217;re right! It&#8217;s the strong mood or tone the dream leaves me with that matters more than the dream&#8217;s events (or even the dream&#8217;s &#8220;meaning&#8221;). To relate that strong emotion, I often write the dream&#8217;s events in my journal. Months later I might reread an account.  The rare successful one will conjure up the mood or tone that motivated me to write it in the first place.</p>
<p>I guess I write the narrative down in the belief that the narrative causes the tone and could also recreate it.  Writing now, I&#8217;m not so sure. Good writers turn narrative to tone, but I&#8217;m not sure dreams do. Maybe the narrative and the feeling have an uneasy relationship in dreams.</p>
<p>I think my journal entries are my efforts to keep hold of it, as you put it, before I rise to the waking world.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t being fair to you in my earlier comment. You expressed yourself well, and I thought I might be coming across as petulant. Forgive me! I do find it hard to listen to others&#8217; dreams, though, perhaps because most accounts focus exclusively on the dream&#8217;s narrative.</p>
<p>I am jealous of other people&#8217;s dreams, too.  Victoria wakes up with such vivid ones! She&#8217;ll talk of them as if she were returning from the cinema. Mine usually expose &#8212; the best ones even clarify &#8212; some real-life struggle. I also don&#8217;t remember all the detail others seem to.  Every now and then, quite rarely, I get one I think is creative &#8212; a hint of something unclear that I need to pay attention to. The creativity isn&#8217;t usually just in the dream&#8217;s narrative but also in the tone.  Those dreams I write down, too, more out of wonder than to practice getting across mood in narrative.</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Jacob by Lucy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I didn't mean it like that!  I often enjoy hearing about other people's dreams, especially those who I envy for having much clearer, more interesting ones with more and better narrative than mine!  I simply meant that the events of the dream are only a part of it, that there is often a feeling and an atmosphere within it which carry a clearer and more important meaning than it is possible to quite convey.  As I say, these often disappear to oneself as well, as daylight logic and order take possession again, and you have to make an effort to keep hold of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I didn&#8217;t mean it like that!  I often enjoy hearing about other people&#8217;s dreams, especially those who I envy for having much clearer, more interesting ones with more and better narrative than mine!  I simply meant that the events of the dream are only a part of it, that there is often a feeling and an atmosphere within it which carry a clearer and more important meaning than it is possible to quite convey.  As I say, these often disappear to oneself as well, as daylight logic and order take possession again, and you have to make an effort to keep hold of it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on John field notes 2c: Never said by Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I throw a few thoughts into the pot, to see what might emerge after a little simmering?  This article is specifically looking at the rather lovely St. John's Gospel which is, of course, about the ministry of one particular man, Jesus.
          To take a broader look at those times, Jesus would not have been unique in his background and form of teaching.  Whether or not he was an Essene is a point I will not debate here, but undoubtedly he seems to have been in contact with and affected by that particular teaching.  Also, as a Jew who was well versed in Jewish theology, well enough to debate serious issues with the priests in the temple, he clearly knew his Kabalah.  In short, he was a product of the mystery religion tradition, which often sought to hide the truth and let a person find out that truth for themselves, rather than having it handed to them on a plate.  "Seek, and you shall find."  That is seek within yourself.
          I do not think the quoted note actually reveals a simple, honest mistake, a misapprehension.  Rather, it seems to reveal a lack of knowledge and understanding.  Were the religious leaders of those days any different from those of today?  I think perhaps not.  Like moderns, they sought to explain inner truths by inappropriately projecting them on to the outside world.  Like moderns, they may have failed to give thought or maybe credence to the esoteric nature of Jesus' teachings.
          Just a few thoughts...........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I throw a few thoughts into the pot, to see what might emerge after a little simmering?  This article is specifically looking at the rather lovely St. John&#8217;s Gospel which is, of course, about the ministry of one particular man, Jesus.<br />
          To take a broader look at those times, Jesus would not have been unique in his background and form of teaching.  Whether or not he was an Essene is a point I will not debate here, but undoubtedly he seems to have been in contact with and affected by that particular teaching.  Also, as a Jew who was well versed in Jewish theology, well enough to debate serious issues with the priests in the temple, he clearly knew his Kabalah.  In short, he was a product of the mystery religion tradition, which often sought to hide the truth and let a person find out that truth for themselves, rather than having it handed to them on a plate.  &#8220;Seek, and you shall find.&#8221;  That is seek within yourself.<br />
          I do not think the quoted note actually reveals a simple, honest mistake, a misapprehension.  Rather, it seems to reveal a lack of knowledge and understanding.  Were the religious leaders of those days any different from those of today?  I think perhaps not.  Like moderns, they sought to explain inner truths by inappropriately projecting them on to the outside world.  Like moderns, they may have failed to give thought or maybe credence to the esoteric nature of Jesus&#8217; teachings.<br />
          Just a few thoughts&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>Comment on My Jacob by Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucy, I can't stand reading about others' dreams.  Thanks for you kind thoughts (and for reading)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucy, I can&#8217;t stand reading about others&#8217; dreams.  Thanks for you kind thoughts (and for reading)!</p>
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