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		<title>Comment on Strained Geometries 2008-01-20 by GirlMaverick</title>
		<link>http://sg.starmind.org/2008/01/20/strained-geometries-2008-01-20/comment-page-1/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>GirlMaverick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really do like your comics.  They take a moment, but so far I think I've been able to figure them all out.  They have a tone to them that is sad, but also a bit amusing in an ironic way.  This one in particular inspired smoe wry laughter.  I'm pretty sure I've seen that discussion happen, possibly even been part of it.  What happens after depends on the people involved.  I saw in the comments of another comic that some people have trouble seeing the shapes as people.  I do not have this problem at all, but that may just be me.  I tend to personify a lot of things, why should shapes be any different?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really do like your comics.  They take a moment, but so far I think I&#8217;ve been able to figure them all out.  They have a tone to them that is sad, but also a bit amusing in an ironic way.  This one in particular inspired smoe wry laughter.  I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve seen that discussion happen, possibly even been part of it.  What happens after depends on the people involved.  I saw in the comments of another comic that some people have trouble seeing the shapes as people.  I do not have this problem at all, but that may just be me.  I tend to personify a lot of things, why should shapes be any different?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Strained Geometries 2008-01-20 by GirlMaverick</title>
		<link>http://sg.starmind.org/2008/01/20/strained-geometries-2008-01-20/comment-page-1/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>GirlMaverick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me, the blue one's teaching evolution, and the red one's teaching creation.  The yellow one asks how they know, they both tell him books.  The red one talks about how God created his scripture, and the blue one talks about how the archialogical record prompted scientific books.  The yellow one suggests that maybe God created the first organism, then evolution took over.  Both red and blu are surprised.  Am I close?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me, the blue one&#8217;s teaching evolution, and the red one&#8217;s teaching creation.  The yellow one asks how they know, they both tell him books.  The red one talks about how God created his scripture, and the blue one talks about how the archialogical record prompted scientific books.  The yellow one suggests that maybe God created the first organism, then evolution took over.  Both red and blu are surprised.  Am I close?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Strained Geometries 2008-01-20 by jmore</title>
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		<dc:creator>jmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BH,

Yes, it is somewhat of a puzzle.  This is because I'm attempting to tell a story without using any words at all.

What you read is close to how I intended it, but not exactly.  However, I thank you for your comment, as it gives me input into how I might communicate my ideas better.

Thanks,

-Josh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BH,</p>
<p>Yes, it is somewhat of a puzzle.  This is because I&#8217;m attempting to tell a story without using any words at all.</p>
<p>What you read is close to how I intended it, but not exactly.  However, I thank you for your comment, as it gives me input into how I might communicate my ideas better.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>-Josh</p>
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		<title>Comment on Strained Geometries 2008-01-20 by BH</title>
		<link>http://sg.starmind.org/2008/01/20/strained-geometries-2008-01-20/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>BH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting concept, Josh.  You are approaching basic human issues, but in some ways this is like a puzzle to anyone but the auther.  So... to me, this is about creation/God/Bible, yeah?  Red and Blue are man &amp; woman and believe God created the Bible, but yellow is different and has difference concepts which shock the Red/Blue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting concept, Josh.  You are approaching basic human issues, but in some ways this is like a puzzle to anyone but the auther.  So&#8230; to me, this is about creation/God/Bible, yeah?  Red and Blue are man &amp; woman and believe God created the Bible, but yellow is different and has difference concepts which shock the Red/Blue.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Strained Geometries 2007-12-30 by twilightbunny</title>
		<link>http://sg.starmind.org/2007/12/30/title/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>twilightbunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People argue over semantics all the time. It is their inability to step back and realize that it's all about seeing things from the other person's angle which makes us wonder whether to laugh or cry...the arbitrary nature of the argument is exactly what makes it both funny and tragic.

I choose to laugh because the alternative invites despair instead of resolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People argue over semantics all the time. It is their inability to step back and realize that it&#8217;s all about seeing things from the other person&#8217;s angle which makes us wonder whether to laugh or cry&#8230;the arbitrary nature of the argument is exactly what makes it both funny and tragic.</p>
<p>I choose to laugh because the alternative invites despair instead of resolution.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Strained Geometries 2008-01-06 by Josh More</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh More</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I am attempting to use the comic "language" without using English.  I decided early-on that I had to allow myself to use symbols, or it would be so abstract as to be meaningless.

Your thought about using silhouettes is interesting, and something that I had not considered.  I am using shapes mostly because it allows me to easily show groups and different characters.  I had never once considered that people wouldn't consider them as characters.  That may be a reflection as to how I think.

They are not intended to convey humor, but to explore an issue.  I am being deliberately vague as to the specific issue I am exploring, as these can be highly divisive issues, and I don't want the comments/discussion to become personal.  I'm more interested in an intellectual exploration of aspects of our culture.  That said, it's been interesting how some people find them hilarious and others find them poignant.

I would be VERY interested in comments about how others interpret the comics.  Once others have shared to a critical point, I would be comfortable sharing my original intent.  I just don't want my words to impact how others view the comic, so I want them to go first.

I have read Scott McCloud's "Making Comics", and it probably inspired some of what I am doing here.  The rest was inspired by the stupidly polarized political discussions that occurred here in Iowa prior to the primaries, and my resulting anger with the candidates for refusing to directly discuss the issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I am attempting to use the comic &#8220;language&#8221; without using English.  I decided early-on that I had to allow myself to use symbols, or it would be so abstract as to be meaningless.</p>
<p>Your thought about using silhouettes is interesting, and something that I had not considered.  I am using shapes mostly because it allows me to easily show groups and different characters.  I had never once considered that people wouldn&#8217;t consider them as characters.  That may be a reflection as to how I think.</p>
<p>They are not intended to convey humor, but to explore an issue.  I am being deliberately vague as to the specific issue I am exploring, as these can be highly divisive issues, and I don&#8217;t want the comments/discussion to become personal.  I&#8217;m more interested in an intellectual exploration of aspects of our culture.  That said, it&#8217;s been interesting how some people find them hilarious and others find them poignant.</p>
<p>I would be VERY interested in comments about how others interpret the comics.  Once others have shared to a critical point, I would be comfortable sharing my original intent.  I just don&#8217;t want my words to impact how others view the comic, so I want them to go first.</p>
<p>I have read Scott McCloud&#8217;s &#8220;Making Comics&#8221;, and it probably inspired some of what I am doing here.  The rest was inspired by the stupidly polarized political discussions that occurred here in Iowa prior to the primaries, and my resulting anger with the candidates for refusing to directly discuss the issues.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Strained Geometries 2008-01-06 by Nancy</title>
		<link>http://sg.starmind.org/2008/01/06/strained-geometries-2008-01-06/comment-page-1/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My initial response: I can only come up with a narrative for about half of them; in the others (including this one) I'm not sure what is happening. [ I arrived at this one as my starting point, then went back to First and stepped through them. ] My "failure" shouldn't surprise me, because I have the same trouble with graphic novels, even when there's dialog (and this on material that my friends all grok and love). It's a frustrating handicap for me, since designing infographics and icons is part of my profession. My work also makes me motivated to try to understand your work and respond to it!
 
So you may want to read my comments in the context of my handicap and my professional interest.

You've done a good job with your visual vocabulary. As I'd have predicted, it takes a few "episodes" to fully establish it. Since I started with this  Jan 6 episode, I wasn't sure whether all avatars would have cigarettes (I could hypothesize that you included them so I'd know those were people, not thiings). After looking at the other episodes, I now know this one is actually about smoking (the ashtray should've been a hint), but I still don't get its story. It would help if I was sure  what "!" meant.

I especially love the way you portrayed fighting in an earlier episode. It has just enough resonance with the emotional reality of fighting. 

By comparison, I don't emotionally identify with the geometric shapes, and I have to work at knowing they are people. At some vague level, I feel like their color and shape isn't arbitrary -- that I'm supposed to know something about their roles from those attributes. Am I too verbal... or too visual? This difficulty reminds me of a friend who said that in childhood he felt the digits (1, 2, ... 0)  all had color and personalities. It made it hard for him to learn basic arithmetic, because the answer to 3 + 7 involved the participants' motivations! It might have been a form of synesthesia.

Some of the other things that may be getting between me and the meaning:

 ** The use of typography symbols means, of course, that the images are language-dependent (maybe not English, but users of our alphabet).

 ** Some of the symbols are only meaningful to consumers of "comics." In particular, I noticed the speech balloons, the cloud above, even the fight. All of these probably depend on a specific visual vocabulary -- one that we acquire young (looking at the funny pages, etc). I'd be fascinated to show your "strips" to people from a non-Western culture. My experience with testing of web app usability: we'd start with some predictions about which UI aspects were obvious and which were obscure. We were only about 70% right on both fronts. Really interesting.

  ** I'm a lazy looker. In the episode that started with churches, there was too much going on in the first coupla frames.I wasn't yet used to the avatars, so I couldn't get the overall message of "church service" at a glance. I ended up moving on without full comprehension, and then going back. I probably would not have had this difficulty if either (a) I'd looked at many episodes and gotten used to the avatars, or (b) you used people silhouettes so that I could use visual pattern matching to recognize the scene, instead of having to analyze it, verbally, in chunks.
  
If your "strips" are supposed to relate to humor, I'm really at sea. The ones I thought I could narrate didn't seem funny. But if they're an experiment in visual communication, bring it on!

You should share your efforts with Scott McCloud (he has a web site). I assume you've read his "Understanding Comics" -- if not, you are in for a treat! I love what he has to say about abstracting concepts (very relevant to icon design). There's also Will Eisner's "Sequential Art." They are both insightful about the action that "happens" between the frames, and from that they can talk about pacing in the storytelling.

I'd like to see a link where we can "peek" and see if our interpretation of the story matches your intent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My initial response: I can only come up with a narrative for about half of them; in the others (including this one) I&#8217;m not sure what is happening. [ I arrived at this one as my starting point, then went back to First and stepped through them. ] My &#8220;failure&#8221; shouldn&#8217;t surprise me, because I have the same trouble with graphic novels, even when there&#8217;s dialog (and this on material that my friends all grok and love). It&#8217;s a frustrating handicap for me, since designing infographics and icons is part of my profession. My work also makes me motivated to try to understand your work and respond to it!</p>
<p>So you may want to read my comments in the context of my handicap and my professional interest.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve done a good job with your visual vocabulary. As I&#8217;d have predicted, it takes a few &#8220;episodes&#8221; to fully establish it. Since I started with this  Jan 6 episode, I wasn&#8217;t sure whether all avatars would have cigarettes (I could hypothesize that you included them so I&#8217;d know those were people, not thiings). After looking at the other episodes, I now know this one is actually about smoking (the ashtray should&#8217;ve been a hint), but I still don&#8217;t get its story. It would help if I was sure  what &#8220;!&#8221; meant.</p>
<p>I especially love the way you portrayed fighting in an earlier episode. It has just enough resonance with the emotional reality of fighting. </p>
<p>By comparison, I don&#8217;t emotionally identify with the geometric shapes, and I have to work at knowing they are people. At some vague level, I feel like their color and shape isn&#8217;t arbitrary &#8212; that I&#8217;m supposed to know something about their roles from those attributes. Am I too verbal&#8230; or too visual? This difficulty reminds me of a friend who said that in childhood he felt the digits (1, 2, &#8230; 0)  all had color and personalities. It made it hard for him to learn basic arithmetic, because the answer to 3 + 7 involved the participants&#8217; motivations! It might have been a form of synesthesia.</p>
<p>Some of the other things that may be getting between me and the meaning:</p>
<p> ** The use of typography symbols means, of course, that the images are language-dependent (maybe not English, but users of our alphabet).</p>
<p> ** Some of the symbols are only meaningful to consumers of &#8220;comics.&#8221; In particular, I noticed the speech balloons, the cloud above, even the fight. All of these probably depend on a specific visual vocabulary &#8212; one that we acquire young (looking at the funny pages, etc). I&#8217;d be fascinated to show your &#8220;strips&#8221; to people from a non-Western culture. My experience with testing of web app usability: we&#8217;d start with some predictions about which UI aspects were obvious and which were obscure. We were only about 70% right on both fronts. Really interesting.</p>
<p>  ** I&#8217;m a lazy looker. In the episode that started with churches, there was too much going on in the first coupla frames.I wasn&#8217;t yet used to the avatars, so I couldn&#8217;t get the overall message of &#8220;church service&#8221; at a glance. I ended up moving on without full comprehension, and then going back. I probably would not have had this difficulty if either (a) I&#8217;d looked at many episodes and gotten used to the avatars, or (b) you used people silhouettes so that I could use visual pattern matching to recognize the scene, instead of having to analyze it, verbally, in chunks.</p>
<p>If your &#8220;strips&#8221; are supposed to relate to humor, I&#8217;m really at sea. The ones I thought I could narrate didn&#8217;t seem funny. But if they&#8217;re an experiment in visual communication, bring it on!</p>
<p>You should share your efforts with Scott McCloud (he has a web site). I assume you&#8217;ve read his &#8220;Understanding Comics&#8221; &#8212; if not, you are in for a treat! I love what he has to say about abstracting concepts (very relevant to icon design). There&#8217;s also Will Eisner&#8217;s &#8220;Sequential Art.&#8221; They are both insightful about the action that &#8220;happens&#8221; between the frames, and from that they can talk about pacing in the storytelling.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see a link where we can &#8220;peek&#8221; and see if our interpretation of the story matches your intent.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Strained Geometries 2007-12-30 by jmore</title>
		<link>http://sg.starmind.org/2007/12/30/title/comment-page-1/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>jmore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 03:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, this is *exactly* the sort of discussion that I wished to occur.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Strained Geometries 2007-12-30 by nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder why this makes you guys laugh.  From where I sit, it looks like a schematic depiction of the grim and terrible pattern of in-group/out-group tribal violence that has plagued humanity throughout our history.  I am compelled to interpret this piece as poignant rather than funny.  This kind of violence and hatred happens all the time, and the issues at stake in the conflicts are often &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/12/the-robbers-cav.html"&gt;just as arbitrary&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder why this makes you guys laugh.  From where I sit, it looks like a schematic depiction of the grim and terrible pattern of in-group/out-group tribal violence that has plagued humanity throughout our history.  I am compelled to interpret this piece as poignant rather than funny.  This kind of violence and hatred happens all the time, and the issues at stake in the conflicts are often <b><a href="http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/12/the-robbers-cav.html">just as arbitrary</a></b>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Strained Geometries 2007-12-30 by admin</title>
		<link>http://sg.starmind.org/2007/12/30/title/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am using wordpress with two comment-related plugins:

http://www.raproject.com/wordpress/wp-ajax-edit-comments/ and http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/live-comment-preview/

I am also using some anti-spam plugins to (hopefully) keep things clean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am using wordpress with two comment-related plugins:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.raproject.com/wordpress/wp-ajax-edit-comments/" rel="nofollow">http://www.raproject.com/wordpress/wp-ajax-edit-comments/</a> and <a href="http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/live-comment-preview/" >http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/live-comment-preview/</a></p>
<p>I am also using some anti-spam plugins to (hopefully) keep things clean.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Strained Geometries 2007-12-30 by Ann Totusek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Totusek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent!  As a relatively regular churchgoer, I found this absolutely hysterical!  Have you read Greg Boyd's "The Myth of a Christian Nation"?  If not, and you'd be interested, let me know.  Looking forward to seeing more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent!  As a relatively regular churchgoer, I found this absolutely hysterical!  Have you read Greg Boyd&#8217;s &#8220;The Myth of a Christian Nation&#8221;?  If not, and you&#8217;d be interested, let me know.  Looking forward to seeing more!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Strained Geometries 2007-12-30 by nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I've never seen this fancy comment system anywhere before, and I quite like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I&#8217;ve never seen this fancy comment system anywhere before, and I quite like it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Strained Geometries 2007-12-30 by nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like these.  So far, though, every one of them has made me sad.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Strained Geometries 2007-12-30 by laffingbuddha</title>
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		<dc:creator>laffingbuddha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This one made me giggle. Keep it up!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Strained Geometries 2007-12-30 by Jenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this very much. Simple and well-done. I look forward to more. :)</description>
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