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Comment on Home Building a Carbon Moth by Bruce

Bruce — Thu, 13 Oct 2011 00:51:40 +0000

There aren’t really any plans available as the boats are all built commercally. You might want to look into the hungry beaver design by Bill Beaver as you should be able to get the lines for that hull.

Comment on Home Building a Carbon Moth by Johan

Johan — Sun, 02 Oct 2011 15:37:00 +0000

Hello Guys
Love the article. Same question as Antoine. Where can I find plans for the moth?? Down in South Africa and we still dont have any down here, so would love to build one and try and grow a class down here

Johan

Comment on Foiling moth setup guides and resources by Bruce

Bruce — Mon, 19 Sep 2011 21:39:25 +0000

Hi Pete, as none of the documents are available online anymore, I am now hosting copies of all of them from this page myself.

Comment on Foiling moth setup guides and resources by Pete Cadmus

Pete Cadmus — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 04:36:04 +0000

your site has great info. thanks.
I am wondering if you have a copy or a link to the “foiling guide.” It appears the web site linked on your page no longer hosting that file.

Comment on the monster by Karl

Karl — Sun, 03 Apr 2011 00:52:19 +0000

What ever happened to this project anyway?

Comment on Memory lane by Don

Don — Wed, 02 Feb 2011 08:52:35 +0000

and you still have your moth down in the stern

Comment on Memory lane by andrew

andrew — Mon, 31 Jan 2011 23:51:33 +0000

those glory paint job days are soon to be revived…!

Comment on Welcome to wing camp by Richard

Richard — Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:55:19 +0000

Very nice write up Bruce. To me still not really enough data to go on to make any sort of judgement yet. We should be allowing (encouraging?) further development then see where we get to

Comment on Welcome to wing camp by Karl

Karl — Sat, 22 Jan 2011 07:47:39 +0000

Point taken Mike but you are still out less than an a-cat and still easier to pack and ship. so not unprecedented in singlehanded boats. of course not as tidy as the current rig, but thats progress. i should think you would be way out in front on this between Ellway and your model stuff-build a scale model for the tri!

Comment on Welcome to wing camp by Cookie

Cookie — Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:50:23 +0000

Tim, my beermat calcs have a Hyde at £800, mast at £700, boom at 300, prodder at 150. All rounded up. That gives me £2050 in change.

Comment on Welcome to wing camp by Brownie

Brownie — Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:30:41 +0000

I have to learn to sai a moth properly before I need to worry about a wing, great all the talk going on but rather than talking about all this; I might learn to sail the moth well first…The AC 45 wing is cool, and cooler still that the helm has a guy to pull the strings for him…Personally I think people will still find more speed advantages in foil development than wing development anyway…
Rob nice fairings!!!

Comment on International 14 rule 17 by joe

joe — Fri, 21 Jan 2011 05:26:17 +0000

when are you buying my boat bruce?

just got a brand new front foil too!!!

Comment on International 14 rule 17 by Bruce

Bruce — Fri, 21 Jan 2011 05:05:16 +0000

@Joe A combination of Nathan’s interview and the expectation that cutting 6cm will kill light air takeoff so people will swap back.

Comment on Welcome to wing camp by RobG

RobG — Fri, 21 Jan 2011 02:33:22 +0000

Bruce, great article.

Of course different people will form different opinions given the same facts. You might think that the robustness issues will be solved, but others don’t. The transportation issue is big, particularly for national and international events. It’s already a limiting factor, increasing shipping costs by perhaps 100% might be a show stopper.

I like wings, they might be a great improvement for Moths. But the idea of 100 wings at Belmont, all individually transported by boat owners, raises some concerns that haven’t been addressed. No one seems to be thinking outside the box on some of these issues yet, so the best way forward for me is to allow wings to compete and see where it goes.

Comment on International 14 rule 17 by joe

joe — Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:59:11 +0000

Not sure where your getting your info from Brucey. He did cut the tips off, but the little foil did really well down range. His spare full size foil only made an appearance once in the nationals and he thought the little one was better in all conditions. There was no differences in the flap, appart from has sanded through the flap into the foam on the little one, so had to hollow it out and fill it with epoxy.
talking to simon, i think they are now making some smaller front foils……

Seems the evolution of foils is to go smaller….and smaller…and smaller. if i had my way i would changeg lots to the foils…

Comment on Welcome to wing camp by Tim

Tim — Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:28:12 +0000

4K sounds like a good deal to me. How much is a new KA sail, mast, boom and prodder?
You wouldn’t get much change from 4K…..

Comment on Welcome to wing camp by Doug

Doug — Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:34:48 +0000

I have started a thread to try and consolidate this discussion. Please use it.

http://www.moth-sailing.org/imca/faces/posts/list/26.page

Thanks,

Doug

Comment on Welcome to wing camp by Ncik

Ncik — Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:15:28 +0000

Now we just need a Hitler reference and we have a true internet discussion.

Comment on Welcome to wing camp by Mike

Mike — Thu, 20 Jan 2011 06:41:36 +0000

Hi Bruce, Good to meet you in Belmont and put a face to the name.

Whilst its true HISC does have a huge amount of under cover storage which would be available for any wing coming to a HISC worlds. The a fore mentioned space is used by the Hayling staff to do rib and committee boat maintenance amongst other things. So 20 odd wings hanging around in there on a permanent basis would not be at all popular. It could be another revenue spinner for the club however, if they could afford the space and charge for undercover wing storage.

When I hear all the stories on how all the practical issues of the wing will be solved in future I am reminded of the Nuclear story. When the UK government went ahead with the first generation of power plants back in the 50s, the then PM was told when he asked what will we do the toxic deadly waste, “don’t worry we will have a solution by the time we decommission”, his chief scientific adviser told him.

The neat and clever solution still in use to this day is to dig a big hole chuck all the nasty stuff in and cover it in concrete, having first pumped some of the slightly less nasty stuff into the ocean.

Comment on Welcome to wing camp by Doug

Doug — Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:27:13 +0000

I have decided that I would like to build a wing one day but not for the next year at least. There is a lot of R+D to be done that I would like to copy once it is successful. However although I am a big fan of others doing this and of the idea of building one I just do not want to have the hassle of ownership or going sailing with it. So I really have mixed feelings about it.

I think that it needs to be competitive under the same rule as soft sails which means one element. If someone can make a one element wing competitive practical and fun to own then they are a true development hero that I can not wait to copy.

Doug