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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" media="screen" href="/~d/styles/rss2full.xsl"?><?xml-stylesheet type="text/css" media="screen" href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~d/styles/itemcontent.css"?><rss xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" version="2.0"> <channel><title>Comments for Tester Thoughts</title> <link>http://testerthoughts.com</link> <description>On Testing, Psychology, and Other Interesting Things</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 16:10:44 -0600</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator> <atom10:link xmlns:atom10="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/CommentsForTesterThoughts" /><feedburner:info xmlns:feedburner="http://rssnamespace.org/feedburner/ext/1.0" uri="commentsfortesterthoughts" /><atom10:link xmlns:atom10="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/" /><item><title>Comment on Guest Post: .Net Headless browser options by Web Mining via Phantom.js and SharpKit at DevTalk.net</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2011/05/17/guest-post-net-headless-browser-options/#comment-957</link> <dc:creator>Web Mining via Phantom.js and SharpKit at DevTalk.net</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 16:10:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://testerthoughts.com/?p=347#comment-957</guid> <description>[...] there is no headless WebKit library for .Net and current approaches all either have Java or JavaScript bindings or, alternatively, suggest that you use IKVM. However, [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] there is no headless WebKit library for .Net and current approaches all either have Java or JavaScript bindings or, alternatively, suggest that you use IKVM. However, [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Advice on starting browser-based automation by A Smattering of Selenium #52 « Official Selenium Blog</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2011/06/14/advice-on-starting-browser-based-automation/#comment-122</link> <dc:creator>A Smattering of Selenium #52 « Official Selenium Blog</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 21:13:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://testerthoughts.com/?p=352#comment-122</guid> <description>[...] Advice on starting browser-based automation is a pretty decent list — even if it does need to breaks between points. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Advice on starting browser-based automation is a pretty decent list &#8212; even if it does need to breaks between points. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Guest Post: .Net Headless browser options by Sean McLellan</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2011/05/17/guest-post-net-headless-browser-options/#comment-109</link> <dc:creator>Sean McLellan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 05:45:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://testerthoughts.com/?p=347#comment-109</guid> <description>For a chromium only headless browser solution that doesn't require a java install (but does rely on signed dlls) check out awesomium.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a chromium only headless browser solution that doesn&#8217;t require a java install (but does rely on signed dlls) check out awesomium.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Guest Post: .Net Headless browser options by A Smattering of Selenium #50 « Official Selenium Blog</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2011/05/17/guest-post-net-headless-browser-options/#comment-104</link> <dc:creator>A Smattering of Selenium #50 « Official Selenium Blog</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 10:15:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://testerthoughts.com/?p=347#comment-104</guid> <description>[...] .NET Headless browser options looks at various options that might be available to you if you want something like HTMLUnit but for .NET. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] .NET Headless browser options looks at various options that might be available to you if you want something like HTMLUnit but for .NET. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Welcome to the new testerthoughts.com! by Andy</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2011/04/25/welcome-to-the-new-testerthoughts-com/#comment-43</link> <dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:06:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://testerthoughts.com/2011/04/25/welcome-to-the-new-testerthoughts-com/#comment-43</guid> <description>I agree - Wordpress.com did a great job. I didn't know about it supporting syntax highlighting, so I guess I didn't explore it well enough, but I didn't move just for that though - I've had several people asking me of late about the idea of running a self-hosted blog. It may or may not be the right decision for them, depending on what they're looking for, but now I can at least speak to the effort involved. I also needed hosting anyhow for some other ideas floating around in my head, and wordpress.com would not have worked for that. Since my blog was dormant for so long, it seemed like a good canary to try out the hosting. Finally, the move prompted me to do some long overdue cleanup on the old posts (mostly adding tags and cleaning up the categories, plus deleting some chaff and updating long dead links). It's a minor thing, but some of those posts still get hits, and I feel better having spruced up. I probably would never have gotten to it without moving the blog.
Thanks for the comment, Alister! I'm excited to see how this works out too.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8211; WordPress.com did a great job. I didn&#8217;t know about it supporting syntax highlighting, so I guess I didn&#8217;t explore it well enough, but I didn&#8217;t move just for that though &#8211; I&#8217;ve had several people asking me of late about the idea of running a self-hosted blog. It may or may not be the right decision for them, depending on what they&#8217;re looking for, but now I can at least speak to the effort involved. I also needed hosting anyhow for some other ideas floating around in my head, and wordpress.com would not have worked for that. Since my blog was dormant for so long, it seemed like a good canary to try out the hosting. Finally, the move prompted me to do some long overdue cleanup on the old posts (mostly adding tags and cleaning up the categories, plus deleting some chaff and updating long dead links). It&#8217;s a minor thing, but some of those posts still get hits, and I feel better having spruced up. I probably would never have gotten to it without moving the blog.</p><p>Thanks for the comment, Alister! I&#8217;m excited to see how this works out too.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Welcome to the new testerthoughts.com! by Alister Scott</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2011/04/25/welcome-to-the-new-testerthoughts-com/#comment-42</link> <dc:creator>Alister Scott</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 06:26:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://testerthoughts.com/2011/04/25/welcome-to-the-new-testerthoughts-com/#comment-42</guid> <description>I have personally found wordpress.com offers everything you mentioned and more, plus it's free. I often embed ruby or C# code with syntax highlighting (see: http://watirmelon.com/2011/04/05/tryselenium-org-in-watir-webdriver/), you can add any many of those pesky 'share' buttons to your heart's content (I choose not to), and we have multiple bloggers (about 8 I think) on Watir.com.
Plus I don't need to worry about it going down or running out of RAM. Wordpress.com know what they're doing performance wise when they host some of the biggest blogs on the planet (CNN, Flickr, RedHat, Time, BBC) on the same infrastructure.
They automatically add things like iPad and iPhone specific versions without me needing to do anything, which I think is great (view http://watirmelon.com on your iPad to see what I mean).
You can choose not to have advertisements on your self hosted wordpress blog, but that's a paid option anyway on wordpress.com, and I personally find them so unobtrusive I don't mind having them around.
Just my opinion obviously, I'll be keen to see how you find self hosting.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have personally found wordpress.com offers everything you mentioned and more, plus it&#8217;s free. I often embed ruby or C# code with syntax highlighting (see: <a
href="http://watirmelon.com/2011/04/05/tryselenium-org-in-watir-webdriver/">http://watirmelon.com/2011/04/05/tryselenium-org-in-watir-webdriver/</a>), you can add any many of those pesky &#8216;share&#8217; buttons to your heart&#8217;s content (I choose not to), and we have multiple bloggers (about 8 I think) on Watir.com.</p><p>Plus I don&#8217;t need to worry about it going down or running out of RAM. WordPress.com know what they&#8217;re doing performance wise when they host some of the biggest blogs on the planet (CNN, Flickr, RedHat, Time, BBC) on the same infrastructure.</p><p>They automatically add things like iPad and iPhone specific versions without me needing to do anything, which I think is great (view <a
href="http://watirmelon.com">http://watirmelon.com</a> on your iPad to see what I mean).</p><p>You can choose not to have advertisements on your self hosted wordpress blog, but that&#8217;s a paid option anyway on wordpress.com, and I personally find them so unobtrusive I don&#8217;t mind having them around.</p><p>Just my opinion obviously, I&#8217;ll be keen to see how you find self hosting.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Mind mapping the Selenium Conference 2011 by A Smattering of Selenium #46 « Official Selenium Blog</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2011/04/08/mind-mapping-the-selenium-conference-2011/#comment-41</link> <dc:creator>A Smattering of Selenium #46 « Official Selenium Blog</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 11:28:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://andytinkham.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/mind-mapping-the-selenium-conference-2011/#comment-41</guid> <description>[...] Andy Tinkham mindmapped it [...] </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Andy Tinkham mindmapped it [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Context-free Questions by Pete TerMaat</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2003/07/16/context-free-questions/#comment-30</link> <dc:creator>Pete TerMaat</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2003 02:35:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://andytinkham.wordpress.com/2003/07/16/context-free-questions/#comment-30</guid> <description>Hi Laurent, to respond to your comments ...
Yes, your link points to the Phoenix checklist Andy and I were discussing.
Thanks for pointing out _About Face_.  I'm a fan of the book and in other situations have lobbied for error handling policies such as the ones he advocates.
A little more context may help here though.  The application in question is software to program a pacemaker.  A cardiologist is allowed to enter conflicting parameter values into the GUI.  The fields and values are not constrained, because sometimes a handful of parameters interact and we don't want the user to have to worry about the order in which he/she sets the values.  At the same time, we want to warn the user of a "bad" input, because a life is at stake here.
Basically, when a field is changed to a "bad" value, we don't know whether:
a) The cardiologist accidentally chose an incorrect value.
b) The field change is part of a larger plan.  After the cardiologist changes a few more fields, the conflicts may be resolved.
In (a) we want to alert the cardiologist right away while the action is still fresh in his/her mind, whereas in (b) we don't.
What is constrained is the "Send these values to the device" operation.  That button is not enabled until the user sets all parameters to non-conflicting values. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Laurent, to respond to your comments &#8230;</p><p>Yes, your link points to the Phoenix checklist Andy and I were discussing.</p><p>Thanks for pointing out _About Face_.  I&#8217;m a fan of the book and in other situations have lobbied for error handling policies such as the ones he advocates.</p><p>A little more context may help here though.  The application in question is software to program a pacemaker.  A cardiologist is allowed to enter conflicting parameter values into the GUI.  The fields and values are not constrained, because sometimes a handful of parameters interact and we don&#8217;t want the user to have to worry about the order in which he/she sets the values.  At the same time, we want to warn the user of a &#8220;bad&#8221; input, because a life is at stake here.</p><p>Basically, when a field is changed to a &#8220;bad&#8221; value, we don&#8217;t know whether:</p><p>a) The cardiologist accidentally chose an incorrect value.</p><p>b) The field change is part of a larger plan.  After the cardiologist changes a few more fields, the conflicts may be resolved.</p><p>In (a) we want to alert the cardiologist right away while the action is still fresh in his/her mind, whereas in (b) we don&#8217;t.</p><p>What is constrained is the &#8220;Send these values to the device&#8221; operation.  That button is not enabled until the user sets all parameters to non-conflicting values.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Agile Fusion Day 1 by Christian Sepulveda's Blog</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2003/06/11/agile-fusion-day-1/#comment-10</link> <dc:creator>Christian Sepulveda's Blog</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2003 06:27:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://andytinkham.wordpress.com/2003/06/11/agile-fusion-day-1/#comment-10</guid> <description>&lt;strong&gt;Nothing is Ever Obvious&lt;/strong&gt;
While a freshman in college, I took an introductory physics class where one of the professors, though a really nice person, insisted on using the adjective "obvious" to describe most concepts. Every now and then, something was "more or less clear" or "... </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Nothing is Ever Obvious</strong></p><p>While a freshman in college, I took an introductory physics class where one of the professors, though a really nice person, insisted on using the adjective &#8220;obvious&#8221; to describe most concepts. Every now and then, something was &#8220;more or less clear&#8221; or &#8220;&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Disproportionate amount of introverts in software testing by Nancy R. Fenn</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2003/07/27/disproportionate-amount-of-introverts-in-software-testing/#comment-40</link> <dc:creator>Nancy R. Fenn</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:11:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://andytinkham.wordpress.com/2003/07/27/disproportionate-amount-of-introverts-in-software-testing/#comment-40</guid> <description>I have a website full of resources and support for introverts and have discovered, among other things, that introverts love the Internet and predominate there.  The normal proportions of introvert to extrovert (30:70) reverse themselves in higher education and on the Internet to 70% introverts and 30% extroverts) so your conclusion doesn't surprise me.  Introversion is a legitimate personality type and it seems the Internet was made just for us! </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a website full of resources and support for introverts and have discovered, among other things, that introverts love the Internet and predominate there.  The normal proportions of introvert to extrovert (30:70) reverse themselves in higher education and on the Internet to 70% introverts and 30% extroverts) so your conclusion doesn&#8217;t surprise me.  Introversion is a legitimate personality type and it seems the Internet was made just for us!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Learning Styles Culture-based? by Thoughts On Pragmatic Software Quality</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2003/06/03/learning-styles-culture-based/#comment-9</link> <dc:creator>Thoughts On Pragmatic Software Quality</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:20:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://andytinkham.wordpress.com/2003/06/03/learning-styles-culture-based/#comment-9</guid> <description>&lt;strong&gt;Teaching collaboration - overview&lt;/strong&gt;
There are quite a few aspects to this that I think are important. As I considered the comments posted here and other verbal comments that I have received, it has become clearer that I think the factors fall in to at least two main groups: &lt;b&gt;classroom ...&lt;/b&gt; </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Teaching collaboration &#8211; overview</strong></p><p>There are quite a few aspects to this that I think are important. As I considered the comments posted here and other verbal comments that I have received, it has become clearer that I think the factors fall in to at least two main groups: <b>classroom &#8230;</b></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Disproportionate amount of introverts in software testing by Melissa</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2003/07/27/disproportionate-amount-of-introverts-in-software-testing/#comment-39</link> <dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:35:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://andytinkham.wordpress.com/2003/07/27/disproportionate-amount-of-introverts-in-software-testing/#comment-39</guid> <description>Celia hit the nail on the head with her definition of introvert vs. extrovert. There is quite a bit of stigma attached to these labels that may or may not have any factual (or predictive) basis. Although I would tend to agree that introverts are probably more comfortable in areas of software development that require a high level of solitude, this could be changing with more emphasis being placed on extreme programming ideas like pair programming. I will be interested to see if this type of human interaction for testers/developers in the industry as well as the classroom will attract and retain more extroverts in the field. (I know this is an old discussion Andy but just wanted to throw the idea out there in case you come across any literature.)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Celia hit the nail on the head with her definition of introvert vs. extrovert. There is quite a bit of stigma attached to these labels that may or may not have any factual (or predictive) basis. Although I would tend to agree that introverts are probably more comfortable in areas of software development that require a high level of solitude, this could be changing with more emphasis being placed on extreme programming ideas like pair programming. I will be interested to see if this type of human interaction for testers/developers in the industry as well as the classroom will attract and retain more extroverts in the field. (I know this is an old discussion Andy but just wanted to throw the idea out there in case you come across any literature.)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Disproportionate amount of introverts in software testing by Celia Redmore</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2003/07/27/disproportionate-amount-of-introverts-in-software-testing/#comment-38</link> <dc:creator>Celia Redmore</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:33:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://andytinkham.wordpress.com/2003/07/27/disproportionate-amount-of-introverts-in-software-testing/#comment-38</guid> <description>An introvert, by definition, is someone who gains energy by being alone. An extrovert finds solitude debilitating. Therefore, it's no surprise that jobs which require long periods of solitary concentration disproportionately attract and retain introverts.
That doesn't mean to say that extroverts can never succeed in the field -- obviously. It just means that extroverts prefer a routine that gives them more opportunity to interact with people.
This might be a good time to clear up some myths. Extroversion does not imply disorganisation and introversion does not imply an inability to stand up for oneself. They are purely measures of gregriousness.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An introvert, by definition, is someone who gains energy by being alone. An extrovert finds solitude debilitating. Therefore, it&#8217;s no surprise that jobs which require long periods of solitary concentration disproportionately attract and retain introverts.</p><p>That doesn&#8217;t mean to say that extroverts can never succeed in the field &#8212; obviously. It just means that extroverts prefer a routine that gives them more opportunity to interact with people.</p><p>This might be a good time to clear up some myths. Extroversion does not imply disorganisation and introversion does not imply an inability to stand up for oneself. They are purely measures of gregriousness.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Disproportionate amount of introverts in software testing by Paul Harris</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2003/07/27/disproportionate-amount-of-introverts-in-software-testing/#comment-37</link> <dc:creator>Paul Harris</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2003 11:03:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://andytinkham.wordpress.com/2003/07/27/disproportionate-amount-of-introverts-in-software-testing/#comment-37</guid> <description>Johanna,
You're absolutely right of course - these are generalizations, and I'm very happy for any candidate to show me that they don't belong in this generalization (in fact the first two people I hired did just that!).  And equally I've rejected perfectly good candidates because they were too introverted, and couldn't stand up for themselves in the kind of lively debate you suggest.
In the face of so many potential candidates, however, there are tendencies that I look for, and this is one of them.  It would be a problem if it were part of a pass/fail checklist (hires here must have a degree, which to me should be a 'good to have'), but as an indicator I think it works out fine.
Cheers, Paul</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johanna,</p><p>You&#8217;re absolutely right of course &#8211; these are generalizations, and I&#8217;m very happy for any candidate to show me that they don&#8217;t belong in this generalization (in fact the first two people I hired did just that!).  And equally I&#8217;ve rejected perfectly good candidates because they were too introverted, and couldn&#8217;t stand up for themselves in the kind of lively debate you suggest.</p><p>In the face of so many potential candidates, however, there are tendencies that I look for, and this is one of them.  It would be a problem if it were part of a pass/fail checklist (hires here must have a degree, which to me should be a &#8216;good to have&#8217;), but as an indicator I think it works out fine.</p><p>Cheers, Paul</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Disproportionate amount of introverts in software testing by Johanna Rothman</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2003/07/27/disproportionate-amount-of-introverts-in-software-testing/#comment-36</link> <dc:creator>Johanna Rothman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2003 05:49:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://andytinkham.wordpress.com/2003/07/27/disproportionate-amount-of-introverts-in-software-testing/#comment-36</guid> <description>Paul, I'm an extrovert, and extremely organized at work. I have several techniques I use to stay organized in the face of chaos, which is what happens to a lot of testers. Hiring a lot of introverted testers will certainly bring you a quiet group. But will it work when you have a cross-functional team, and the marketing people (more often extroverts) start screaming and shouting? It's useful to have someone else who likes to think out loud when others are also. I'll blog about this too.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, I&#8217;m an extrovert, and extremely organized at work. I have several techniques I use to stay organized in the face of chaos, which is what happens to a lot of testers. Hiring a lot of introverted testers will certainly bring you a quiet group. But will it work when you have a cross-functional team, and the marketing people (more often extroverts) start screaming and shouting? It&#8217;s useful to have someone else who likes to think out loud when others are also. I&#8217;ll blog about this too.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Disproportionate amount of introverts in software testing by Paul Harris</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2003/07/27/disproportionate-amount-of-introverts-in-software-testing/#comment-35</link> <dc:creator>Paul Harris</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2003 08:31:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://andytinkham.wordpress.com/2003/07/27/disproportionate-amount-of-introverts-in-software-testing/#comment-35</guid> <description>Hi Andy,
I've been doing some interviewing on potential hires recently, and a certain amount of introversion is something I actually look for.  I associate extroverts with a certain lack of organization and attention (a generalization of course), which are not characteristics conducive to spending many hours doing the same kind of things in a systematic way.
There are definitely limits to this, and I think testers are more outgoing than developers as a whole (but less than the next step 'up', business analysts!).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andy,</p><p>I&#8217;ve been doing some interviewing on potential hires recently, and a certain amount of introversion is something I actually look for.  I associate extroverts with a certain lack of organization and attention (a generalization of course), which are not characteristics conducive to spending many hours doing the same kind of things in a systematic way.</p><p>There are definitely limits to this, and I think testers are more outgoing than developers as a whole (but less than the next step &#8216;up&#8217;, business analysts!).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Disproportionate amount of introverts in software testing by Esther Derby</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2003/07/27/disproportionate-amount-of-introverts-in-software-testing/#comment-34</link> <dc:creator>Esther Derby</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2003 05:05:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://andytinkham.wordpress.com/2003/07/27/disproportionate-amount-of-introverts-in-software-testing/#comment-34</guid> <description>Hi, Andy --
I've also seen statistics that point to self-selection of introverts into software related fields.  As I recall, the dominant type is INTJ across software disciplines.  Introverts are definitely the minority in the general population.
Esther</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Andy &#8211;</p><p>I&#8217;ve also seen statistics that point to self-selection of introverts into software related fields.  As I recall, the dominant type is INTJ across software disciplines.  Introverts are definitely the minority in the general population.</p><p>Esther</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Disproportionate amount of introverts in software testing by Heather Tinkham</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2003/07/27/disproportionate-amount-of-introverts-in-software-testing/#comment-33</link> <dc:creator>Heather Tinkham</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:36:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://andytinkham.wordpress.com/2003/07/27/disproportionate-amount-of-introverts-in-software-testing/#comment-33</guid> <description>The discussion was triggered in the first place by yet another explanation. A senior QA person mentioned that it felt like her time in the field of QA has pushed her more toward introversion than she naturally was. Her implied thought was that there may be something about the nature of the work that nurtures a more introverted perspective, regardless of where we begin on the scale.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The discussion was triggered in the first place by yet another explanation. A senior QA person mentioned that it felt like her time in the field of QA has pushed her more toward introversion than she naturally was. Her implied thought was that there may be something about the nature of the work that nurtures a more introverted perspective, regardless of where we begin on the scale.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Disproportionate amount of introverts in software testing by Andy Tinkham</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2003/07/27/disproportionate-amount-of-introverts-in-software-testing/#comment-32</link> <dc:creator>Andy Tinkham</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:54:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://andytinkham.wordpress.com/2003/07/27/disproportionate-amount-of-introverts-in-software-testing/#comment-32</guid> <description>Thank you, Bob! I'll see if I can track it down!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Bob! I&#8217;ll see if I can track it down!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Disproportionate amount of introverts in software testing by Bob Lee</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2003/07/27/disproportionate-amount-of-introverts-in-software-testing/#comment-31</link> <dc:creator>Bob Lee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2003 02:20:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://andytinkham.wordpress.com/2003/07/27/disproportionate-amount-of-introverts-in-software-testing/#comment-31</guid> <description>I believe that Bruce Tognazzini commented on this in the Apple Developer publications back in the late 1980s. I think he had some statistics in his article.  I believe I recall the article being reprinted in his book "Tog On Interface"
You might check his web site, http://www.asktog.com/ for leads.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Bruce Tognazzini commented on this in the Apple Developer publications back in the late 1980s. I think he had some statistics in his article.  I believe I recall the article being reprinted in his book &#8220;Tog On Interface&#8221;</p><p>You might check his web site, <a
href="http://www.asktog.com/">http://www.asktog.com/</a> for leads.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Context-free Questions by Laurent Bossavit</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2003/07/16/context-free-questions/#comment-29</link> <dc:creator>Laurent Bossavit</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:21:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://andytinkham.wordpress.com/2003/07/16/context-free-questions/#comment-29</guid> <description>Andy, here's one online reference for the "Phoenix Checklist". I'm not sure it really is what you're talking about in your entry, since I haven't read "ThinkerToys", but I did read "Exploring Requirements" and these sound like context-free questions.
http://www.bo.uiowa.edu/~TrainersNetwork/handouts/Handout_1.pdf
It's missing at least one key question, "Whose problem is it".
I find Pete's example interesting, after reading Cooper and Reimann's "About Face". Error messages are at best annoying to end users, at worst (if you believe Cooper, and I think I do) a constant low-grade humiliation. Cooper makes a strong and convincing case that much effort should go into eliminating error messages. The application should either constrain input (e.g. by the use of controls such as the "spinner"); or accept unbounded input without validation, but prevent the "incorrect" input from doing damage, and provide unobtrusive feedback about the possible consequences of such "incorrect" input.
Also see an older blog entry of mine about error messages from the tester's viewpoint (http://bossavit.com/thoughts/archives/000029.html).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, here&#8217;s one online reference for the &#8220;Phoenix Checklist&#8221;. I&#8217;m not sure it really is what you&#8217;re talking about in your entry, since I haven&#8217;t read &#8220;ThinkerToys&#8221;, but I did read &#8220;Exploring Requirements&#8221; and these sound like context-free questions.</p><p><a
href="http://www.bo.uiowa.edu/~TrainersNetwork/handouts/Handout_1.pdf">http://www.bo.uiowa.edu/~TrainersNetwork/handouts/Handout_1.pdf</a></p><p>It&#8217;s missing at least one key question, &#8220;Whose problem is it&#8221;.</p><p>I find Pete&#8217;s example interesting, after reading Cooper and Reimann&#8217;s &#8220;About Face&#8221;. Error messages are at best annoying to end users, at worst (if you believe Cooper, and I think I do) a constant low-grade humiliation. Cooper makes a strong and convincing case that much effort should go into eliminating error messages. The application should either constrain input (e.g. by the use of controls such as the &#8220;spinner&#8221;); or accept unbounded input without validation, but prevent the &#8220;incorrect&#8221; input from doing damage, and provide unobtrusive feedback about the possible consequences of such &#8220;incorrect&#8221; input.</p><p>Also see an older blog entry of mine about error messages from the tester&#8217;s viewpoint (<a
href="http://bossavit.com/thoughts/archives/000029.html">http://bossavit.com/thoughts/archives/000029.html</a>).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on And so it (temporarily) ends by Ward Cunningham</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2003/06/18/and-so-it-temporarily-ends/#comment-26</link> <dc:creator>Ward Cunningham</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:54:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://andytinkham.wordpress.com/2003/06/18/and-so-it-temporarily-ends/#comment-26</guid> <description>Thank you Andy for allowing me this glimps of what I am sure will be the most important week of et/xp this year. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Andy for allowing me this glimps of what I am sure will be the most important week of et/xp this year.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on And so it (temporarily) ends by Erik Petersen</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2003/06/18/and-so-it-temporarily-ends/#comment-25</link> <dc:creator>Erik Petersen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:01:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://andytinkham.wordpress.com/2003/06/18/and-so-it-temporarily-ends/#comment-25</guid> <description>Thanks Andy for the verbal feed.  Given the time zone differences between Australia and Front Royal (its 10am on Fri 20th here now), all the activity happened in the night time here, so I only saw some out of hours activity on the video feed, and the audio was trashed in the trans pacific cable.  So thanks again for your efforts.  Now get back to that thesis! ;)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Andy for the verbal feed.  Given the time zone differences between Australia and Front Royal (its 10am on Fri 20th here now), all the activity happened in the night time here, so I only saw some out of hours activity on the video feed, and the audio was trashed in the trans pacific cable.  So thanks again for your efforts.  Now get back to that thesis! <img
src='http://testerthoughts.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Day 6 by Andy</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2003/06/17/day-6/#comment-21</link> <dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:58:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://andytinkham.wordpress.com/2003/06/17/day-6/#comment-21</guid> <description>I want to stress that the list was simply the books that I found on the table towards the end of the workshop.  I did not mean to imply &lt;b&gt;anything&lt;/b&gt; that I did not explicitly state in the post. I do have your book, Lisa, and it is on my reading list. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to stress that the list was simply the books that I found on the table towards the end of the workshop.  I did not mean to imply <b>anything</b> that I did not explicitly state in the post. I do have your book, Lisa, and it is on my reading list.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>Comment on Day 6 by Lisa Crispin</title><link>http://testerthoughts.com/2003/06/17/day-6/#comment-20</link> <dc:creator>Lisa Crispin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:49:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://andytinkham.wordpress.com/2003/06/17/day-6/#comment-20</guid> <description>Well, nobody at the workshop seems to have been impressed with it, but I will still mention "Testing Extreme Programming" by myself and Tip House, also available on Amazon.com.  I think agile testing has continued to grow and change since we wrote the book last year, but I think it provides a good foundation to anyone doing testing on an agile team.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, nobody at the workshop seems to have been impressed with it, but I will still mention &#8220;Testing Extreme Programming&#8221; by myself and Tip House, also available on Amazon.com.  I think agile testing has continued to grow and change since we wrote the book last year, but I think it provides a good foundation to anyone doing testing on an agile team.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss><!-- Dynamic page generated in 0.528 seconds. --><!-- Cached page generated by WP-Super-Cache on 2011-12-02 19:14:34 -->

