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		Comment on Bugs Find A Way: A Tester’s Appreciation of Jurassic Park by Jeremy Wenisch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy Wenisch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2022 15:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://testersnotebook.jeremywenisch.com/2015/02/26/bugs-find-a-way-a-testers-appreciation-of-jurassic-park/#comment-1629&quot;&gt;Darren McMillan&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for reading, glad you enjoyed it!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://testersnotebook.jeremywenisch.com/2015/02/26/bugs-find-a-way-a-testers-appreciation-of-jurassic-park/#comment-1629">Darren McMillan</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for reading, glad you enjoyed it!</p>
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		Comment on Bugs Find A Way: A Tester’s Appreciation of Jurassic Park by Darren McMillan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Darren McMillan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2022 22:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve honestly never liked blog posts that take something that isn&#039;t testing and relate it to testing, but this might very well be the exception, great job, I wholeheartedly agree with the points you&#039;ve made]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve honestly never liked blog posts that take something that isn&#8217;t testing and relate it to testing, but this might very well be the exception, great job, I wholeheartedly agree with the points you&#8217;ve made</p>
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		Comment on A Very Edgy Sequel: Testing on the Edge II by Five Blogs – 23 Augustus 2017 &#8211; 5blogs		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Five Blogs – 23 Augustus 2017 &#8211; 5blogs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2017 05:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] A Very Edgy Sequel: Testing on the Edge II Written by: Jeremy Wenisch [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] A Very Edgy Sequel: Testing on the Edge II Written by: Jeremy Wenisch [&#8230;]</p>
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		Comment on Anthropomorphic Intelligence by Robert Day		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Day]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2017 09:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Users have anthropomorphised their complex tools since time immemorial - think of ships, cars and steam engines. I&#039;m surprised that we so often ignore this effect for software. I suppose the difference is that whereas in the past, it was the engineer who worked on the steam engine or the ship who did the anthropomorphising, whereas as knowledge-based professionals working with something as abstract as code, we&#039;re all supposed to be above that and the expectation of human reactions is restricted to &quot;mere&quot;, untutored users.

We may be deluding ourselves. Who is to say that we can&#039;t be effective developers or testers until we START anthropomorphising our systems a bit? After all, they are designed (ultimately) to work with humans. Even an API has to produce data flows that will eventually feature in some machine/human interaction.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Users have anthropomorphised their complex tools since time immemorial &#8211; think of ships, cars and steam engines. I&#8217;m surprised that we so often ignore this effect for software. I suppose the difference is that whereas in the past, it was the engineer who worked on the steam engine or the ship who did the anthropomorphising, whereas as knowledge-based professionals working with something as abstract as code, we&#8217;re all supposed to be above that and the expectation of human reactions is restricted to &#8220;mere&#8221;, untutored users.</p>
<p>We may be deluding ourselves. Who is to say that we can&#8217;t be effective developers or testers until we START anthropomorphising our systems a bit? After all, they are designed (ultimately) to work with humans. Even an API has to produce data flows that will eventually feature in some machine/human interaction.</p>
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		Comment on A Very Edgy Sequel: Testing on the Edge II by Robert Day		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Day]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2017 09:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Overreporting vs. Underreporting: I take the view (and I think all my colleagues agree) is that the tester should report all bugs they find. (Hopefully, the bug tracking system you use allows assessments of scale of impact and importance.) It is a business decision as to whether the bug demands fixing, i.e. demands resources being deployed to make the fix. That business decision has to take the likely impact on users into account as well as reputational damage - but for us (a specialist software vendor), that is specifically a BUSINESS decision.

Analysis vs. evidence: I do not have a background in coding; so if I ever speculate on what is causing a bug, I am usually pretty circumspect on pointing the finger in case I&#039;m laying a false trail for the developer to follow. I will say &quot;This looks as if..&quot;, &quot;This looks similar to...&quot;, or I will even phrase it as a question: &quot;Is this related to...?&quot; or &quot;Is this because...?&quot;. I don&#039;t want a bug to go unfixed because a developer follows a false trail that I may have laid due to my lack of knowledge, but at the same time I want to be as helpful to the developer as possible.

&quot;No user would ever do that&quot;: Oh yes they would. And worse. No-one ever predicts exactly how users will mistreat your product.  And they will often find ways of misusing or breaking the product that no-one has ever thought of. But we, as testers, should always try to anticipate ways users will interact with the application.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overreporting vs. Underreporting: I take the view (and I think all my colleagues agree) is that the tester should report all bugs they find. (Hopefully, the bug tracking system you use allows assessments of scale of impact and importance.) It is a business decision as to whether the bug demands fixing, i.e. demands resources being deployed to make the fix. That business decision has to take the likely impact on users into account as well as reputational damage &#8211; but for us (a specialist software vendor), that is specifically a BUSINESS decision.</p>
<p>Analysis vs. evidence: I do not have a background in coding; so if I ever speculate on what is causing a bug, I am usually pretty circumspect on pointing the finger in case I&#8217;m laying a false trail for the developer to follow. I will say &#8220;This looks as if..&#8221;, &#8220;This looks similar to&#8230;&#8221;, or I will even phrase it as a question: &#8220;Is this related to&#8230;?&#8221; or &#8220;Is this because&#8230;?&#8221;. I don&#8217;t want a bug to go unfixed because a developer follows a false trail that I may have laid due to my lack of knowledge, but at the same time I want to be as helpful to the developer as possible.</p>
<p>&#8220;No user would ever do that&#8221;: Oh yes they would. And worse. No-one ever predicts exactly how users will mistreat your product.  And they will often find ways of misusing or breaking the product that no-one has ever thought of. But we, as testers, should always try to anticipate ways users will interact with the application.</p>
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		Comment on Testing on the Edge by Jeremy Wenisch		</title>
		<link>https://testersnotebook.jeremywenisch.com/2016/06/06/testing-on-the-edge/#comment-712</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy Wenisch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2016 11:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://testersnotebook.jeremywenisch.com/2016/06/06/testing-on-the-edge/#comment-711&quot;&gt;Gem&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for your comment, Gem! I really appreciate it.

I love your suggestion of the different knowledge axes we teeter on as testers - I feel that way too. We need to know a lot of different things to test well; I&#039;ve also found I can know juuust enough about something to start seeing bugs where there aren&#039;t any.

This idea also makes me think of how I sometimes teeter between testing for different interests. For example, between testing on behalf of the designer&#039;s and development&#039;s specific vision of how something should work, and testing on behalf of my imagined user&#039;s expectations and desires.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://testersnotebook.jeremywenisch.com/2016/06/06/testing-on-the-edge/#comment-711">Gem</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for your comment, Gem! I really appreciate it.</p>
<p>I love your suggestion of the different knowledge axes we teeter on as testers &#8211; I feel that way too. We need to know a lot of different things to test well; I&#8217;ve also found I can know juuust enough about something to start seeing bugs where there aren&#8217;t any.</p>
<p>This idea also makes me think of how I sometimes teeter between testing for different interests. For example, between testing on behalf of the designer&#8217;s and development&#8217;s specific vision of how something should work, and testing on behalf of my imagined user&#8217;s expectations and desires.</p>
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		Comment on Testing on the Edge by Gem		</title>
		<link>https://testersnotebook.jeremywenisch.com/2016/06/06/testing-on-the-edge/#comment-711</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2016 18:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Had this in my to-read list for a long time, and I&#039;m glad I finally picked this up. These descriptions of balance, especially flow vs. note taking, and confidence vs. self-doubt, are ones I identify with strongly, and you&#039;ve written them far more eloquently than I could&#039;ve. 

I think as testers we have different buckets of knowledge and so teeter on multiple axes? We balance things like client knowledge, domain and system knowledge, and context/project-dependant knowledge and have all that running through our heads when we test, which can be both useful when finding bugs, and a hindrance when it comes to the more chaotic nature of testing?

Thank you again for this post!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had this in my to-read list for a long time, and I&#8217;m glad I finally picked this up. These descriptions of balance, especially flow vs. note taking, and confidence vs. self-doubt, are ones I identify with strongly, and you&#8217;ve written them far more eloquently than I could&#8217;ve. </p>
<p>I think as testers we have different buckets of knowledge and so teeter on multiple axes? We balance things like client knowledge, domain and system knowledge, and context/project-dependant knowledge and have all that running through our heads when we test, which can be both useful when finding bugs, and a hindrance when it comes to the more chaotic nature of testing?</p>
<p>Thank you again for this post!</p>
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		Comment on Testing on the Edge by Jeremy Wenisch		</title>
		<link>https://testersnotebook.jeremywenisch.com/2016/06/06/testing-on-the-edge/#comment-702</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy Wenisch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2016 11:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://testersnotebook.jeremywenisch.com/2016/06/06/testing-on-the-edge/#comment-701&quot;&gt;Patrick Prill&lt;/a&gt;.

Patrick, thanks so much for your comment. I&#039;m glad to hear it struck a chord!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://testersnotebook.jeremywenisch.com/2016/06/06/testing-on-the-edge/#comment-701">Patrick Prill</a>.</p>
<p>Patrick, thanks so much for your comment. I&#8217;m glad to hear it struck a chord!</p>
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		Comment on Testing on the Edge by Patrick Prill		</title>
		<link>https://testersnotebook.jeremywenisch.com/2016/06/06/testing-on-the-edge/#comment-701</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick Prill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2016 06:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This post is amazing. The behavior you describe is exactly how I work. I  wasn&#039;t able yet to find the right words for it, but these are. 
Thanks for this post, I will quote that in the future.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is amazing. The behavior you describe is exactly how I work. I  wasn&#8217;t able yet to find the right words for it, but these are.<br />
Thanks for this post, I will quote that in the future.</p>
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		Comment on Testing on the Edge by Jeremy Wenisch		</title>
		<link>https://testersnotebook.jeremywenisch.com/2016/06/06/testing-on-the-edge/#comment-700</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy Wenisch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2016 00:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://testersnotebook.jeremywenisch.com/2016/06/06/testing-on-the-edge/#comment-699&quot;&gt;Colby&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, Colby. I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve cracked an ancient philosophy text since college, but your comment has certainly renewed my interest!

[furiously scribbling down concepts to look up later...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://testersnotebook.jeremywenisch.com/2016/06/06/testing-on-the-edge/#comment-699">Colby</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks, Colby. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve cracked an ancient philosophy text since college, but your comment has certainly renewed my interest!</p>
<p>[furiously scribbling down concepts to look up later&#8230;]</p>
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