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		<title>Comment on Another Customer Story by gary</title>
		<link>http://theleanthinker.com/2012/05/12/another-customer-story/comment-page-1/#comment-36753</link>
		<dc:creator>gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 16:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see these types of customer service issues ALL the time. I recently spoke directly with a CEO of a very large anti-virus company about frustrations that I had with their web site and the relationship between their service model and actual business model of the product.  I ended up sending him directly a multi slide powerpoint with screen shots highlighting how ridiculous it seemed from the customers perspective. It was as if not one single person at his company, including himself, had ever tried to use their own site as a customer.  After he saw the slides he totally understood what I was saying. I was shocked to hear directly from the CEO and it was refreshing to see that he genuinely cared and planned to fix it. I just wish the leaders would act like the customer once in a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see these types of customer service issues ALL the time. I recently spoke directly with a CEO of a very large anti-virus company about frustrations that I had with their web site and the relationship between their service model and actual business model of the product.  I ended up sending him directly a multi slide powerpoint with screen shots highlighting how ridiculous it seemed from the customers perspective. It was as if not one single person at his company, including himself, had ever tried to use their own site as a customer.  After he saw the slides he totally understood what I was saying. I was shocked to hear directly from the CEO and it was refreshing to see that he genuinely cared and planned to fix it. I just wish the leaders would act like the customer once in a while.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Another Customer Story by pc2</title>
		<link>http://theleanthinker.com/2012/05/12/another-customer-story/comment-page-1/#comment-36751</link>
		<dc:creator>pc2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 17:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think anybody has difficulty understanding the mechanics of the event.

Does that make it any less stupid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think anybody has difficulty understanding the mechanics of the event.</p>
<p>Does that make it any less stupid?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Another Customer Story by ec</title>
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		<dc:creator>ec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 14:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I emailed customer service and asked if they would match the in-store price for the item.

In a few minutes I got a reply, with an “Incident Number” that said they would, but I would have to call in the order to the 800 number."

The "Incident Number" was probably just an internal tracking number for the email responding customer service department- not any of the company sales functions. 

Remember that "sales" functions do not typically equal "customer service."

 You probably would also gotten an "incident number" if you had emailed to complain about the store's parking lot having too much litter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I emailed customer service and asked if they would match the in-store price for the item.</p>
<p>In a few minutes I got a reply, with an “Incident Number” that said they would, but I would have to call in the order to the 800 number.&#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8220;Incident Number&#8221; was probably just an internal tracking number for the email responding customer service department- not any of the company sales functions. </p>
<p>Remember that &#8220;sales&#8221; functions do not typically equal &#8220;customer service.&#8221;</p>
<p> You probably would also gotten an &#8220;incident number&#8221; if you had emailed to complain about the store&#8217;s parking lot having too much litter.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Another Customer Story by Phil Mendelowitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Mendelowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 00:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have a very similar experience with a cable company that we upgraded service with.  They couldn't make the internal connections within the time frame we requested so they canceled the workorder and our current phone service and internet with it.  Took 4 calls over 24 hours to get it sorted out and was one of the most frustrating experiences I've ever had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have a very similar experience with a cable company that we upgraded service with.  They couldn&#8217;t make the internal connections within the time frame we requested so they canceled the workorder and our current phone service and internet with it.  Took 4 calls over 24 hours to get it sorted out and was one of the most frustrating experiences I&#8217;ve ever had.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Another Customer Story by Joe Dager</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Dager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 20:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am amazed how up to date we try to be to the public when many of our internal systems are antiquated. I see external Facebook pages, Chat Rooms, etc while internally organizations are still communicating through email. Your story is not surprising, in fact it is common if not the norm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am amazed how up to date we try to be to the public when many of our internal systems are antiquated. I see external Facebook pages, Chat Rooms, etc while internally organizations are still communicating through email. Your story is not surprising, in fact it is common if not the norm.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Scrap Bin Kaizen by ec</title>
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		<dc:creator>ec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 18:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scrap versus offall versus trimmings (in metal stamping lingo).
Scrap are defective blanks,parts, etc.
Offall is a piece large enough to be reused in a different part / stamping operation.
Trimmings are pieces from around the part/blank unable to be reused.

A silly company at which I worked had a vacuum form process to make a component part that went into but was unrelated to the final end product manufacturing processes.

The vacuum form  area took up vital production floor space plus had a plastic re-grinder for the trimmings. The  component part was simple enough for any outside vacuum form shop to make, it was made from standard black sheet, and the part didn't even have to be stored inside or delicately handled.  

When I recommended to outsource the vacuum form part and process, I was told that the real profits were made in reselling the totes of black regrind to the plastics industry since each tote was 500lbs plus of virgin black material.   

In other words, there was such great profit in the reground trimmings that no one in management wanted to let it go.  However when I suggested the same idea in regards to recovering corrugated cardboard for resale and not landfilling the cardboard, management said that this was too difficult - ie: not enough profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scrap versus offall versus trimmings (in metal stamping lingo).<br />
Scrap are defective blanks,parts, etc.<br />
Offall is a piece large enough to be reused in a different part / stamping operation.<br />
Trimmings are pieces from around the part/blank unable to be reused.</p>
<p>A silly company at which I worked had a vacuum form process to make a component part that went into but was unrelated to the final end product manufacturing processes.</p>
<p>The vacuum form  area took up vital production floor space plus had a plastic re-grinder for the trimmings. The  component part was simple enough for any outside vacuum form shop to make, it was made from standard black sheet, and the part didn&#8217;t even have to be stored inside or delicately handled.  </p>
<p>When I recommended to outsource the vacuum form part and process, I was told that the real profits were made in reselling the totes of black regrind to the plastics industry since each tote was 500lbs plus of virgin black material.   </p>
<p>In other words, there was such great profit in the reground trimmings that no one in management wanted to let it go.  However when I suggested the same idea in regards to recovering corrugated cardboard for resale and not landfilling the cardboard, management said that this was too difficult &#8211; ie: not enough profit.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Walking the Gemba by Shahrul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shahrul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 04:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article. The Gemba walk believe will be strongly related to the method called Genchi Genbutsu. Gemba means place and Genchi Genbutsu is going to Gemba to check on the genbutsu (object). Another interesting  method is Management by Walking About which is to some degree similar to Genchi Genbutsu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article. The Gemba walk believe will be strongly related to the method called Genchi Genbutsu. Gemba means place and Genchi Genbutsu is going to Gemba to check on the genbutsu (object). Another interesting  method is Management by Walking About which is to some degree similar to Genchi Genbutsu.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Struggling to Learn by Mark Rosenthal</title>
		<link>http://theleanthinker.com/2012/05/08/struggling-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-36741</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Rosenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 16:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key is to keep the cycles of learning very short and experimental in nature.
If successful, then you have steady and visible progress toward the goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key is to keep the cycles of learning very short and experimental in nature.<br />
If successful, then you have steady and visible progress toward the goal.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Takt Time – Cycle Time by Mark Rosenthal</title>
		<link>http://theleanthinker.com/2010/04/28/takt-time-cycle-time/comment-page-1/#comment-36740</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Rosenthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 16:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, he does not have a different approach.
However, there ARE breakdowns, there ARE breakdowns, there ARE problems of various times.
Those issues can, and do, cause line stops.
Toyota's andon system makes sure of that, for example.

The question is "When are you going to make up the lost production?"
You have two choices.
1) Overtime.
2) During the regular shift.

If you choose (2) then you have to run some over speed so you have some time before the shift ends.

The ratio of the "pure" takt time vs. your effective takt gives you a metric of how effectively you have dealt with variation in work cycles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, he does not have a different approach.<br />
However, there ARE breakdowns, there ARE breakdowns, there ARE problems of various times.<br />
Those issues can, and do, cause line stops.<br />
Toyota&#8217;s andon system makes sure of that, for example.</p>
<p>The question is &#8220;When are you going to make up the lost production?&#8221;<br />
You have two choices.<br />
1) Overtime.<br />
2) During the regular shift.</p>
<p>If you choose (2) then you have to run some over speed so you have some time before the shift ends.</p>
<p>The ratio of the &#8220;pure&#8221; takt time vs. your effective takt gives you a metric of how effectively you have dealt with variation in work cycles.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Struggling to Learn by Tom Warda</title>
		<link>http://theleanthinker.com/2012/05/08/struggling-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-36739</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Warda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 12:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

I absolutely agree with the “fail small” thing and you’ve heard (and read) my thoughts on it many times. I think there’s one rather big thing in the way though – the “instant gratification / home run / failure is not an option” syndrome that haunts most companies. In support of it, everybody loves a home run or a huge win. They just feel good now don’t they? 

On the flip side, this is a habit that gets pretty tough to kick – for all of the reasons I just mentioned. And as we all know, folks that are addicted to something generally have a pretty tough time kicking the habit. Just look at the trouble Europe is going though trying to kick years of easy fix / deficit spending. And most companies are in a pretty similar situation. 

So many of us are under the gun to produce huge and instant savings (with no failures allowed) because many before us somehow managed to do just that. The sad truth is that many of those efforts didn’t fail in the short term, but are failing big time in the long term. 

BTW, some folks say that I’m cynical when I suggest things like this. I’d prefer to instead think that I’m just annoyingly realistic. 

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>I absolutely agree with the “fail small” thing and you’ve heard (and read) my thoughts on it many times. I think there’s one rather big thing in the way though – the “instant gratification / home run / failure is not an option” syndrome that haunts most companies. In support of it, everybody loves a home run or a huge win. They just feel good now don’t they? </p>
<p>On the flip side, this is a habit that gets pretty tough to kick – for all of the reasons I just mentioned. And as we all know, folks that are addicted to something generally have a pretty tough time kicking the habit. Just look at the trouble Europe is going though trying to kick years of easy fix / deficit spending. And most companies are in a pretty similar situation. </p>
<p>So many of us are under the gun to produce huge and instant savings (with no failures allowed) because many before us somehow managed to do just that. The sad truth is that many of those efforts didn’t fail in the short term, but are failing big time in the long term. </p>
<p>BTW, some folks say that I’m cynical when I suggest things like this. I’d prefer to instead think that I’m just annoyingly realistic. </p>
<p>Tom</p>
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