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		<title>Comment on Registering disbelief by Math Campbell</title>
		<link>http://www.tomharris.org.uk/2010/03/11/registering-disbelief/comment-page-2/#comment-38635</link>
		<dc:creator>Math Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 09:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm possibly a little outspoken on the need for people to vote.
If we don't enforce the actual vote (with a box marked "none of the above, which if more than 50% of the voters tick the election must be held again), then certainly getting everyone to at least register to vote would be a good start (although I can't remember if by default you're entered on the commercially-avilable electors register, or if you have to opt-in; it should be opt-in)…

I think I know how to do it as well.
Make the job of collecting the fines the responsibility of the local authority.  Allow them to keep the money.

I predict a &gt;95% registration rate after 5 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m possibly a little outspoken on the need for people to vote.<br />
If we don&#8217;t enforce the actual vote (with a box marked &#8220;none of the above, which if more than 50% of the voters tick the election must be held again), then certainly getting everyone to at least register to vote would be a good start (although I can&#8217;t remember if by default you&#8217;re entered on the commercially-avilable electors register, or if you have to opt-in; it should be opt-in)…</p>
<p>I think I know how to do it as well.<br />
Make the job of collecting the fines the responsibility of the local authority.  Allow them to keep the money.</p>
<p>I predict a >95% registration rate after 5 years.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New LibDem slogan’s a winner! by Hamish D</title>
		<link>http://www.tomharris.org.uk/2010/03/12/new-libdem-slogans-a-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-38634</link>
		<dc:creator>Hamish D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 01:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's something not quite right about the new portrait of our genial host which features at the top of this blog.

Is it the tie? Nope that is credibly Tom's taste.
Is it the belt? Nope that is probably functional.
It's the Labour rosette.  The wearer has clearly been photo-shopped into the picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s something not quite right about the new portrait of our genial host which features at the top of this blog.</p>
<p>Is it the tie? Nope that is credibly Tom&#8217;s taste.<br />
Is it the belt? Nope that is probably functional.<br />
It&#8217;s the Labour rosette.  The wearer has clearly been photo-shopped into the picture.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Another day, another boycott in the blogosphere by Tim Ireland</title>
		<link>http://www.tomharris.org.uk/2010/03/11/another-day-another-boycott-in-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-38633</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ireland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sergeant Plodder: My question was actually directed to Tom Harris, but if he wishes to say nothing and instead let your comment speak for him, then so be it.

John77: What I do on my blog is beside the point. It's not me who has contradicted himself on platforms and legitimacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergeant Plodder: My question was actually directed to Tom Harris, but if he wishes to say nothing and instead let your comment speak for him, then so be it.</p>
<p>John77: What I do on my blog is beside the point. It&#8217;s not me who has contradicted himself on platforms and legitimacy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New LibDem slogan’s a winner! by Cathy</title>
		<link>http://www.tomharris.org.uk/2010/03/12/new-libdem-slogans-a-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-38632</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the tune of Land of Hope And Glory - sung by LibDems everywhere

Building A Fairer Prosperous Britain
In a future thats working for
Equality for all and
With really nice weather, innit.

Oh and did we mention
Proportional representation

 

Somebody once gave me a copy of Bill Clinton's impeachment testimonies turned into poetry.  It was better than it sounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the tune of Land of Hope And Glory &#8211; sung by LibDems everywhere</p>
<p>Building A Fairer Prosperous Britain<br />
In a future thats working for<br />
Equality for all and<br />
With really nice weather, innit.</p>
<p>Oh and did we mention<br />
Proportional representation</p>
<p>Somebody once gave me a copy of Bill Clinton&#8217;s impeachment testimonies turned into poetry.  It was better than it sounds.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New LibDem slogan’s a winner! by anarchyintheuk</title>
		<link>http://www.tomharris.org.uk/2010/03/12/new-libdem-slogans-a-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-38630</link>
		<dc:creator>anarchyintheuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do politicians think the population are too thick to take on board detail?

I guess the spin doctors got there first. Be snappy, be hip, be horizontal, be smart.

No we don't want it, we want some honesty, not soundbites, that is you pandering to the Media. What about the rest of the 60 odd million in the country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do politicians think the population are too thick to take on board detail?</p>
<p>I guess the spin doctors got there first. Be snappy, be hip, be horizontal, be smart.</p>
<p>No we don&#8217;t want it, we want some honesty, not soundbites, that is you pandering to the Media. What about the rest of the 60 odd million in the country?</p>
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		<title>Comment on New LibDem slogan’s a winner! by Stewart Cowan</title>
		<link>http://www.tomharris.org.uk/2010/03/12/new-libdem-slogans-a-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-38626</link>
		<dc:creator>Stewart Cowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I reckon the three divisions of the LibLabCon Party could have this as a slogan:

&lt;b&gt;VOTE LIB/LAB/CON. WE HAVE BEEN MESSING UP YOUR LIFE FOR DECADES AT NATIONAL &amp; LOCAL LEVEL, SO KEEP RETURNING US. THANKS.&lt;/b&gt;

And you would still get 90% of the votes between you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I reckon the three divisions of the LibLabCon Party could have this as a slogan:</p>
<p><b>VOTE LIB/LAB/CON. WE HAVE BEEN MESSING UP YOUR LIFE FOR DECADES AT NATIONAL &amp; LOCAL LEVEL, SO KEEP RETURNING US. THANKS.</b></p>
<p>And you would still get 90% of the votes between you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Registering disbelief by Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.tomharris.org.uk/2010/03/11/registering-disbelief/comment-page-2/#comment-38625</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

If you think it's bad now, just wait to see what happens next year when it becomes necessary for all members of the household to sign the form individually.

I'd consider it a conspiracy if it weren't for the fact that the Party that passed it were the one that's likely to suffer most!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>If you think it&#8217;s bad now, just wait to see what happens next year when it becomes necessary for all members of the household to sign the form individually.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d consider it a conspiracy if it weren&#8217;t for the fact that the Party that passed it were the one that&#8217;s likely to suffer most!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Another day, another boycott in the blogosphere by John77</title>
		<link>http://www.tomharris.org.uk/2010/03/11/another-day-another-boycott-in-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-38624</link>
		<dc:creator>John77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Organising a boycott of something in order to bring pressure on someone to do change how they behave in relation to something unconnected can be expressed much more succintly: "bullying"
1) When I was young I swiftly found out that the best way to deal with bullies was to stand up to them. (Tom, you may be pleased to know that I learned to fight in Lanarkshire but didn't run into bullying until my family moved to England)
2) Paul says that he didn't try it on the BBC because he couldn't have won - it is a truism that most (not all) bullies are cowards 
3)To condemn BNP for bullying and indulge in (slightly more subtle) bullying is hypocritical
4) Iain stated on his blog before the interview that he believed his treating Griffin as human was a better way of dealing with him than giving him an excuse to cry "victim" - why did none of the boycotters give him a reasoned case (as distinct from a rant) why they thought this was wrong. At least one left-wing blogger did offer ID a good question that would expose some of NG's hypocrisy
5) A boycott of TP awards by the best left-wing blogs will merely mean that the winners will be second-raters and some of those who enter the blogosphere next year seeking a wide range of views will be offered a list comprising the best right-wing blogs and second-rate left-wing blogs
@Tim Ireland - Iain has the right to choose to whose blogs he will establish links: do you provide links to all the BNP or Socialist Worker blogs? So why should he provide a link to yours? 
@Dave Semple - you say "Fifth, it’s not always the Left that calls for boycotts, and even if it was, why are a range of tactics not appropriate? Argument, protests and boycotts go hand in hand." Can you remind me of a few right-wing boycotts? Libertarians tell me they don't believe in boycotts. Arguments and boycotts do NOT go hand-in-hand - a boycott is usually called for when the argument has been lost (or not been tried)
As you know, I don't always agree with you but this time you have my support</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Organising a boycott of something in order to bring pressure on someone to do change how they behave in relation to something unconnected can be expressed much more succintly: &#8220;bullying&#8221;<br />
1) When I was young I swiftly found out that the best way to deal with bullies was to stand up to them. (Tom, you may be pleased to know that I learned to fight in Lanarkshire but didn&#8217;t run into bullying until my family moved to England)<br />
2) Paul says that he didn&#8217;t try it on the BBC because he couldn&#8217;t have won &#8211; it is a truism that most (not all) bullies are cowards<br />
3)To condemn BNP for bullying and indulge in (slightly more subtle) bullying is hypocritical<br />
4) Iain stated on his blog before the interview that he believed his treating Griffin as human was a better way of dealing with him than giving him an excuse to cry &#8220;victim&#8221; &#8211; why did none of the boycotters give him a reasoned case (as distinct from a rant) why they thought this was wrong. At least one left-wing blogger did offer ID a good question that would expose some of NG&#8217;s hypocrisy<br />
5) A boycott of TP awards by the best left-wing blogs will merely mean that the winners will be second-raters and some of those who enter the blogosphere next year seeking a wide range of views will be offered a list comprising the best right-wing blogs and second-rate left-wing blogs<br />
@Tim Ireland &#8211; Iain has the right to choose to whose blogs he will establish links: do you provide links to all the BNP or Socialist Worker blogs? So why should he provide a link to yours?<br />
@Dave Semple &#8211; you say &#8220;Fifth, it’s not always the Left that calls for boycotts, and even if it was, why are a range of tactics not appropriate? Argument, protests and boycotts go hand in hand.&#8221; Can you remind me of a few right-wing boycotts? Libertarians tell me they don&#8217;t believe in boycotts. Arguments and boycotts do NOT go hand-in-hand &#8211; a boycott is usually called for when the argument has been lost (or not been tried)<br />
As you know, I don&#8217;t always agree with you but this time you have my support</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cross-posting on asylum by Liam</title>
		<link>http://www.tomharris.org.uk/2010/03/09/cross-posting-on-asylum/comment-page-1/#comment-38623</link>
		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John77

“Jewish refugees in the 1930s” / “Huguenots” / “Jews fleeing from earlier pogroms” / “Karl Marx”.... 

Let’s bring asylum up-to-date, let’s compare the above asylum and refugees with the claims of todays asylum and refugees .... 

The Habamenshi family who didn’t want to be deported and pleaded, don’t send us back, my ten year old son wants to play for Rangers. The Alhiatly family who didn’t want to be deported and pleaded, don’t send us back, my son has a dream of swimming for Scotland at the Commonwealth Games. And the women from Pakistan who come all the way from Pakistan claiming asylum - reason - they’ve had a domestic fall-out with their husbands.

How do you know how many economic migrants there are in Glasgow? An estimated 1,000 - 3,000 Roma (Glasgow City Council don’t know how many Roma or others are in Glasgow and neither do you nor I - so how do you find your assessment of not many.

Some of our pensioners are on income benefit and don’t pay council tax and have their rent paid for them - difference is, most of them have spent a working lifetime paying into the system, asylum seekers have contributed zero. And these same pensioners together with millions of us will have to take their place in the NHS queues, either in front, beside or behind asylum seekers and refugees.

Rules for utility bills - 
Asylum seekers and refugees are given £40 a week for their gas and electricity bills. In general, asylum seekers are allocated £20 per week for gas and £20 per week for electricity with a provision for additional funds if necessary. 

Asylum seekers on half of income benefit - 
My info:  Asylum adults receive equivalent to 70% of basic income support. Asylum children (16 or younger) are 100% of childs basic income support. (Perhaps Mr Harris would oblige and supply us with the correct rates). 

You may think the not allowed to work rule for asylum seekers is “extremely stupid” - I most certainly do not - I think it’s an absolute necessity. Work? Haven’t you heard? Britain is in a recession. Scots are looking for work. For those outside of Britain who wish to seek employment here, there is a procedure which they can use. Jumping the employment queues by claiming asylum is not part of that procedure. And Scots shouldn’t have to compete compete with asylum seekers for British jobs.

These are recent headlines from Scottish local newspapers concerning Scottish people ....

Jobless toll in Scotland rockets by 67% in year

Scottish unemployment soars by more than 20,000

Scottish firms shedding jobs at record pace

Up to 44 people for every job

Recession forecast to cost 100,000 Scots their jobs

Unemployment in Scotland jumps 75,000 in a year

Economists warn 50,000 people to lose jobs in Scotland

One in five Scots households jobless

1500 people call jobs hotline in fight for just 40 store posts

200,000 Scots are out of work

Scots job loss rate fastest in western Europe

The proven or not proven decision .... there has to be a decision made on whether any applicant is a genuine refugee from oppression or merely an economic migrant  wishing to enter without the legal permission of our country and circumvent our laws by fraudulent means.

Once our courts make that legal decision they should either be made welcome as refugees or deported as illegal economic migrants. If they are judged to have made no case to stay in this country and they have gone through all the legal steps open to them, then they must be asked to leave. Should they refuse to leave then the state has a right and a duty to eject them forcibly.

The law must be enforced or it is no law at all, if you disagree with it then use the democratic process to change the law via the ballot box. Until then we must enforce the laws we make.

Emotive language such as “send innocent victims back to the Congo where they can expect to be murdered and their wives and small daughters raped” / “Kurds who fled because the Turkish army wiped out whole villages, terrorising the villagers” ....  reference to the “Hugenots” / “BNP” / “ICI “/ “Karl Marx” / “Marks &amp; Sparks” is silly and convinces very few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John77</p>
<p>“Jewish refugees in the 1930s” / “Huguenots” / “Jews fleeing from earlier pogroms” / “Karl Marx”&#8230;. </p>
<p>Let’s bring asylum up-to-date, let’s compare the above asylum and refugees with the claims of todays asylum and refugees &#8230;. </p>
<p>The Habamenshi family who didn’t want to be deported and pleaded, don’t send us back, my ten year old son wants to play for Rangers. The Alhiatly family who didn’t want to be deported and pleaded, don’t send us back, my son has a dream of swimming for Scotland at the Commonwealth Games. And the women from Pakistan who come all the way from Pakistan claiming asylum &#8211; reason &#8211; they’ve had a domestic fall-out with their husbands.</p>
<p>How do you know how many economic migrants there are in Glasgow? An estimated 1,000 &#8211; 3,000 Roma (Glasgow City Council don’t know how many Roma or others are in Glasgow and neither do you nor I &#8211; so how do you find your assessment of not many.</p>
<p>Some of our pensioners are on income benefit and don’t pay council tax and have their rent paid for them &#8211; difference is, most of them have spent a working lifetime paying into the system, asylum seekers have contributed zero. And these same pensioners together with millions of us will have to take their place in the NHS queues, either in front, beside or behind asylum seekers and refugees.</p>
<p>Rules for utility bills &#8211;<br />
Asylum seekers and refugees are given £40 a week for their gas and electricity bills. In general, asylum seekers are allocated £20 per week for gas and £20 per week for electricity with a provision for additional funds if necessary. </p>
<p>Asylum seekers on half of income benefit &#8211;<br />
My info:  Asylum adults receive equivalent to 70% of basic income support. Asylum children (16 or younger) are 100% of childs basic income support. (Perhaps Mr Harris would oblige and supply us with the correct rates). </p>
<p>You may think the not allowed to work rule for asylum seekers is “extremely stupid” &#8211; I most certainly do not &#8211; I think it’s an absolute necessity. Work? Haven’t you heard? Britain is in a recession. Scots are looking for work. For those outside of Britain who wish to seek employment here, there is a procedure which they can use. Jumping the employment queues by claiming asylum is not part of that procedure. And Scots shouldn’t have to compete compete with asylum seekers for British jobs.</p>
<p>These are recent headlines from Scottish local newspapers concerning Scottish people &#8230;.</p>
<p>Jobless toll in Scotland rockets by 67% in year</p>
<p>Scottish unemployment soars by more than 20,000</p>
<p>Scottish firms shedding jobs at record pace</p>
<p>Up to 44 people for every job</p>
<p>Recession forecast to cost 100,000 Scots their jobs</p>
<p>Unemployment in Scotland jumps 75,000 in a year</p>
<p>Economists warn 50,000 people to lose jobs in Scotland</p>
<p>One in five Scots households jobless</p>
<p>1500 people call jobs hotline in fight for just 40 store posts</p>
<p>200,000 Scots are out of work</p>
<p>Scots job loss rate fastest in western Europe</p>
<p>The proven or not proven decision &#8230;. there has to be a decision made on whether any applicant is a genuine refugee from oppression or merely an economic migrant  wishing to enter without the legal permission of our country and circumvent our laws by fraudulent means.</p>
<p>Once our courts make that legal decision they should either be made welcome as refugees or deported as illegal economic migrants. If they are judged to have made no case to stay in this country and they have gone through all the legal steps open to them, then they must be asked to leave. Should they refuse to leave then the state has a right and a duty to eject them forcibly.</p>
<p>The law must be enforced or it is no law at all, if you disagree with it then use the democratic process to change the law via the ballot box. Until then we must enforce the laws we make.</p>
<p>Emotive language such as “send innocent victims back to the Congo where they can expect to be murdered and their wives and small daughters raped” / “Kurds who fled because the Turkish army wiped out whole villages, terrorising the villagers” &#8230;.  reference to the “Hugenots” / “BNP” / “ICI “/ “Karl Marx” / “Marks &amp; Sparks” is silly and convinces very few.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New LibDem slogan’s a winner! by Rapunzel</title>
		<link>http://www.tomharris.org.uk/2010/03/12/new-libdem-slogans-a-winner/comment-page-1/#comment-38622</link>
		<dc:creator>Rapunzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No change? I mean, it's only fair.

@Nicky
I would have thought the LibDems’ new girl, saucy baggage Anna Ashworth, would have been quite good at thinking up a neat slogan. She’s got form in dreaming up titles for her films. 

Apparently, she made one called; "Hug a Hoodie!"

Now, where did she get that idea from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No change? I mean, it&#8217;s only fair.</p>
<p>@Nicky<br />
I would have thought the LibDems’ new girl, saucy baggage Anna Ashworth, would have been quite good at thinking up a neat slogan. She’s got form in dreaming up titles for her films. </p>
<p>Apparently, she made one called; &#8220;Hug a Hoodie!&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, where did she get that idea from?</p>
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		<title>Comment on New LibDem slogan’s a winner! by Nicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have thought the LibDems' new girl, saucy baggage Anna Ashworth, would have been quite good at thinking up a neat slogan.  She's got form in dreaming up titles for her films. They're usually quite snappy and based around puns aren't they?  Not that I know anything about &lt;i&gt;that sort of thing&lt;/i&gt;, obviously</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have thought the LibDems&#8217; new girl, saucy baggage Anna Ashworth, would have been quite good at thinking up a neat slogan.  She&#8217;s got form in dreaming up titles for her films. They&#8217;re usually quite snappy and based around puns aren&#8217;t they?  Not that I know anything about <i>that sort of thing</i>, obviously</p>
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		<title>Comment on New LibDem slogan’s a winner! by Nicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:) I've actually forgotten already what the real one is.  Fairer, blah change, blah something.  

Ah, I see what they did there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://www.tomharris.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;ve actually forgotten already what the real one is.  Fairer, blah change, blah something.  </p>
<p>Ah, I see what they did there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New LibDem slogan’s a winner! by Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought "equality for all" was a Labour policy?

Or was that Old Labour?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Another day, another boycott in the blogosphere by Dave H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with every beautifully constructed sentence in this post, Mr Harris.

(One of us ought to be really worried by that)

"Because our protest is about what he represents, not what he says to an interviewer. He will lie"

Then why not conduct the interview and point out the lies? Simples. We don't like liars.

For example, he now publicly accepts the Holocaust happened. Point out he once compared believing in it to believing that the Earth was flat. And that's a matter of record because he said it &lt;i&gt;in court.&lt;/i&gt;

Nor, evidently, do the vast majoriy of us like Holocaust-Deniers either, otherwise why would Griffin be forced into implausibly denying he is one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with every beautifully constructed sentence in this post, Mr Harris.</p>
<p>(One of us ought to be really worried by that)</p>
<p>&#8220;Because our protest is about what he represents, not what he says to an interviewer. He will lie&#8221;</p>
<p>Then why not conduct the interview and point out the lies? Simples. We don&#8217;t like liars.</p>
<p>For example, he now publicly accepts the Holocaust happened. Point out he once compared believing in it to believing that the Earth was flat. And that&#8217;s a matter of record because he said it <i>in court.</i></p>
<p>Nor, evidently, do the vast majoriy of us like Holocaust-Deniers either, otherwise why would Griffin be forced into implausibly denying he is one?</p>
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		<title>Comment on New LibDem slogan’s a winner! by Tigas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tigas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, You got to be INNIT to win it!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Another day, another boycott in the blogosphere by Liz Barber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz Barber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be stating the bleedin' obvious, but isn't there a clue in the name... TOTAL Politics ??

Like it or not Ng and his bunch were voted in by the electorate. If you don't like his views, debate and defeat them with the better argument and alternative - no good sticking your fingers in your ears and going nah nah nah na na</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be stating the bleedin&#8217; obvious, but isn&#8217;t there a clue in the name&#8230; TOTAL Politics ??</p>
<p>Like it or not Ng and his bunch were voted in by the electorate. If you don&#8217;t like his views, debate and defeat them with the better argument and alternative &#8211; no good sticking your fingers in your ears and going nah nah nah na na</p>
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		<title>Comment on That mask just keeps on slipping by Sergeant Plodder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergeant Plodder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Niel Wednesday 10 March 2010 at 3:42 pm

It’s just extraordinary that these candidates have been trained by people who don’t believe in global warming,
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Oh. I didn't realise you had to believe in AGW to be appointed to any jobs. When did that happen? 

I heard that someone people don't believe in God, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Niel Wednesday 10 March 2010 at 3:42 pm</p>
<p>It’s just extraordinary that these candidates have been trained by people who don’t believe in global warming,<br />
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<p>Oh. I didn&#8217;t realise you had to believe in AGW to be appointed to any jobs. When did that happen? </p>
<p>I heard that someone people don&#8217;t believe in God, either.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Registering disbelief by Indy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If those who don’t want to vote today change their minds just before polling day that's tough.

You have to expect a certain level of intelligence and foresight from people, though you don’t always get it.

I recall hearing the broadcaster John Humphries fulminating about not getting to vote in the last election.  According to him it was all down to the incompetence of the authorities.  However what actually happened was this.

He went into a polling station only to be informed that he could not vote there , as it did not cover the area he lives in – strike one against the authorities as he appeared to think you should be able to vote at any polling station you happen to come across.

The staff at that polling station told him where he should go and he duly went only to be told that he could not cast his vote in person as he was registered as a postal voter – strike two against the authorities as he couldn’t remember being a postal voter though he did remember sending back a form about something or other to do with voting. 

He was then advised that he could hand his postal vote into the polling station.  However he had lost it or thrown it away so he was effectively disenfranchised as at that time you could not be issued with a postal vote form on the day of the election.  All the fault of the authorities of course.

In this election you will, if you are a complete idiot, apply for a postal vote without knowing what you are applying for and then throw your ballot paper away,  be able to get a new postal vote form issued to you up until close of poll.  I believe this is one of the reasons that returning officers are a bit wary about conducting overnight counts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If those who don’t want to vote today change their minds just before polling day that&#8217;s tough.</p>
<p>You have to expect a certain level of intelligence and foresight from people, though you don’t always get it.</p>
<p>I recall hearing the broadcaster John Humphries fulminating about not getting to vote in the last election.  According to him it was all down to the incompetence of the authorities.  However what actually happened was this.</p>
<p>He went into a polling station only to be informed that he could not vote there , as it did not cover the area he lives in – strike one against the authorities as he appeared to think you should be able to vote at any polling station you happen to come across.</p>
<p>The staff at that polling station told him where he should go and he duly went only to be told that he could not cast his vote in person as he was registered as a postal voter – strike two against the authorities as he couldn’t remember being a postal voter though he did remember sending back a form about something or other to do with voting. </p>
<p>He was then advised that he could hand his postal vote into the polling station.  However he had lost it or thrown it away so he was effectively disenfranchised as at that time you could not be issued with a postal vote form on the day of the election.  All the fault of the authorities of course.</p>
<p>In this election you will, if you are a complete idiot, apply for a postal vote without knowing what you are applying for and then throw your ballot paper away,  be able to get a new postal vote form issued to you up until close of poll.  I believe this is one of the reasons that returning officers are a bit wary about conducting overnight counts.</p>
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		<link>http://www.tomharris.org.uk/2010/03/11/another-day-another-boycott-in-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-38613</link>
		<dc:creator>Sergeant Plodder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tim Ireland Friday 12 March 2010 at 9:59 am

What of Iain Dale’s clearly stated (and quite notorious) policy of not linking to blogs/bloggers that are critical of him? He has stated quite clearly in the past that he refuses to do so because he does not want to legitimise them.

How is this in keeping with his current postion that granting Griffin this exposure doesn’t legitimise him?
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1. Why don't you ask Dale? 

2. It's Dale's blog - he can do what the hell he wants on it, and is certainly not answerable to the likes of you, Ireland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tim Ireland Friday 12 March 2010 at 9:59 am</p>
<p>What of Iain Dale’s clearly stated (and quite notorious) policy of not linking to blogs/bloggers that are critical of him? He has stated quite clearly in the past that he refuses to do so because he does not want to legitimise them.</p>
<p>How is this in keeping with his current postion that granting Griffin this exposure doesn’t legitimise him?<br />
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<p>1. Why don&#8217;t you ask Dale? </p>
<p>2. It&#8217;s Dale&#8217;s blog &#8211; he can do what the hell he wants on it, and is certainly not answerable to the likes of you, Ireland.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Kampfner’s got form by John Doole</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Doole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Robert, if you're not so racist then the BNP don't best represent your issues, as that's pretty much all they stand for, so what's are you talking about?

I certainly will not be voting Labour or Tory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Robert, if you&#8217;re not so racist then the BNP don&#8217;t best represent your issues, as that&#8217;s pretty much all they stand for, so what&#8217;s are you talking about?</p>
<p>I certainly will not be voting Labour or Tory.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Memoirs are made of this by Paul Flynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Flynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was the Shropshire Star that told that Daniel had complained to the Speaker about me. Sadly he did not observe the usual courtesy of informing me first. Shame really, I could have stopped him making a fool of himself again.

The Speaker has confirmed in writing today that this is another Tall Story from Shropshire. MPs and former Mps  have always been allowed to use Commons facilities launched book written by them. It is my fourth launch.  

It is a bit hurtful after I had included Daniel in my gallery of parliamentary Icons and Knaves in my book 'The Unusual Suspect'. The ingrate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was the Shropshire Star that told that Daniel had complained to the Speaker about me. Sadly he did not observe the usual courtesy of informing me first. Shame really, I could have stopped him making a fool of himself again.</p>
<p>The Speaker has confirmed in writing today that this is another Tall Story from Shropshire. MPs and former Mps  have always been allowed to use Commons facilities launched book written by them. It is my fourth launch.  </p>
<p>It is a bit hurtful after I had included Daniel in my gallery of parliamentary Icons and Knaves in my book &#8216;The Unusual Suspect&#8217;. The ingrate.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Registering disbelief by Tom Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if those who don't want to vote today change their minds just before polling day?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Registering disbelief by Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone who wants to vote cannot that is shocking.  If those who don't want to vote cannot then who cares?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Registering disbelief by Indy</title>
		<link>http://www.tomharris.org.uk/2010/03/11/registering-disbelief/comment-page-2/#comment-38607</link>
		<dc:creator>Indy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry the Council has struck a number of landlords off the register - but it's not a simple process keeping track of the number of buy to let properties and HMOs. They rely on people reporting bad landlords but my experience is that they are very willing to act when people do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry the Council has struck a number of landlords off the register &#8211; but it&#8217;s not a simple process keeping track of the number of buy to let properties and HMOs. They rely on people reporting bad landlords but my experience is that they are very willing to act when people do that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Memoirs are made of this by Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel Kawczynski overeacting? Again? Shocker! It's not like he doesn't have form...</description>
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		<title>Comment on Memoirs are made of this by davidc</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one for pedants corner- although in possession of a royal charter the correct title is 'the institution of mechanical engineers'
and not 'the royal institute---'!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one for pedants corner- although in possession of a royal charter the correct title is &#8216;the institution of mechanical engineers&#8217;<br />
and not &#8216;the royal institute&#8212;&#8217;!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Memoirs are made of this by Gerard Charmley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerard Charmley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I consider it the height of bad taste for Paul Flynn to release his autobiography now. Had he done so two months earlier, I would have been able to use it for something I was writing, the deadline for which was the start of March. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I consider it the height of bad taste for Paul Flynn to release his autobiography now. Had he done so two months earlier, I would have been able to use it for something I was writing, the deadline for which was the start of March. <img src='http://www.tomharris.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Another day, another boycott in the blogosphere by Tim Ireland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Ireland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What of Iain Dale's clearly stated (and quite notorious) policy of not linking to blogs/bloggers that are critical of him? He has stated quite clearly in the past that he refuses to do so because he does not want to legitimise them.

How is this in keeping with his current postion that granting Griffin this exposure doesn't legitimise him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What of Iain Dale&#8217;s clearly stated (and quite notorious) policy of not linking to blogs/bloggers that are critical of him? He has stated quite clearly in the past that he refuses to do so because he does not want to legitimise them.</p>
<p>How is this in keeping with his current postion that granting Griffin this exposure doesn&#8217;t legitimise him?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Another day, another boycott in the blogosphere by Chris' Wills</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris' Wills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;@Paul
.....He will lie.&lt;/i&gt;

Perhaps he will, many politicians lie.

It is revealing any lies that shows what the true character or the politician is.

If the true character of Griffin is anathema to the electorate then he and his party should find it harder to be re-elected.

You don't paint the turd yellow and call it gold nor should you brush it under the carpet or into a dark corner, it will just fester and make a stink.

Find, reveal and disinfect, is the appropriate response to a turd.

Reveal the truth of politicians and their parties and then leave it upto the electorate.

&lt;i&gt;Freedom of speech must include the freedom to speak collectively.&lt;/i&gt;

True, but that isn't the same as claiming to speak on behalf of others.

A common failing amongst politicians and union leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>@Paul<br />
&#8230;..He will lie.</i></p>
<p>Perhaps he will, many politicians lie.</p>
<p>It is revealing any lies that shows what the true character or the politician is.</p>
<p>If the true character of Griffin is anathema to the electorate then he and his party should find it harder to be re-elected.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t paint the turd yellow and call it gold nor should you brush it under the carpet or into a dark corner, it will just fester and make a stink.</p>
<p>Find, reveal and disinfect, is the appropriate response to a turd.</p>
<p>Reveal the truth of politicians and their parties and then leave it upto the electorate.</p>
<p><i>Freedom of speech must include the freedom to speak collectively.</i></p>
<p>True, but that isn&#8217;t the same as claiming to speak on behalf of others.</p>
<p>A common failing amongst politicians and union leaders.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Another day, another boycott in the blogosphere by Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post, Tom.

Small point about democracy: at the next election UKIP will get about 5 or 6 times the number of votes as the SNP but will have no say in the UK Parliament whereas the SNP will have at least 1% say (6 seats).  The Libs will have almost as many votes as Labour, but about a fifth as many seats.  And the BNP will probably have as many votes as Plaid Cwymru but no seats compared to 3 (hopefully).

If we want a true democracy do we not need to allow the views of those voting for the BNP and UKIP to be heard and addressed?  Not that UKIP have similar views to the BNP, just that they're similarly marginalised parties with a level of support that is unlikely to materialise into seats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post, Tom.</p>
<p>Small point about democracy: at the next election UKIP will get about 5 or 6 times the number of votes as the SNP but will have no say in the UK Parliament whereas the SNP will have at least 1% say (6 seats).  The Libs will have almost as many votes as Labour, but about a fifth as many seats.  And the BNP will probably have as many votes as Plaid Cwymru but no seats compared to 3 (hopefully).</p>
<p>If we want a true democracy do we not need to allow the views of those voting for the BNP and UKIP to be heard and addressed?  Not that UKIP have similar views to the BNP, just that they&#8217;re similarly marginalised parties with a level of support that is unlikely to materialise into seats.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Memoirs are made of this by Johnny Norfolk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny Norfolk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good and propper MPs should not need 'rules'. If an MP cannot do the right thing, act in an honest and ethical way without 'rules' They should not be an MP.

I would not think it is the right thing to do to launch a book for personal gain from a room in the Commons no matter what the rules say.
 
Are MPs unable to think for themselves.

The general attitude of most MPs falls far short of what should be expected.

" I will go and ask if I am allowed to do this" attitude reminds me of small naughty school children. Can we have some adult MPs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good and propper MPs should not need &#8216;rules&#8217;. If an MP cannot do the right thing, act in an honest and ethical way without &#8216;rules&#8217; They should not be an MP.</p>
<p>I would not think it is the right thing to do to launch a book for personal gain from a room in the Commons no matter what the rules say.</p>
<p>Are MPs unable to think for themselves.</p>
<p>The general attitude of most MPs falls far short of what should be expected.</p>
<p>&#8221; I will go and ask if I am allowed to do this&#8221; attitude reminds me of small naughty school children. Can we have some adult MPs.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This type thing just makes me go nuclear!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Registering disbelief by Chris' Wills</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris' Wills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Calum,

They probably know the stats as well as you, but in this case I think you are talking apples while they're talking oranges.

If we think of it as sampling a production line it makes sense.

Check every 100th product; does it pass or fail the test. The 77% seems to be saying that only 77%, of those tested, pass the test of being accurate.

A very low pass rate for most products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Calum,</p>
<p>They probably know the stats as well as you, but in this case I think you are talking apples while they&#8217;re talking oranges.</p>
<p>If we think of it as sampling a production line it makes sense.</p>
<p>Check every 100th product; does it pass or fail the test. The 77% seems to be saying that only 77%, of those tested, pass the test of being accurate.</p>
<p>A very low pass rate for most products.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cross-posting on asylum by John77</title>
		<link>http://www.tomharris.org.uk/2010/03/09/cross-posting-on-asylum/comment-page-1/#comment-38594</link>
		<dc:creator>John77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liam, 
"I don’t want Glaswegians to live in hellish property" - nor do I and I don't want Glasgow to sink any further economically. 
My initial post was about asylum seekers and not about native Glaswegians because they were the focus of the topic that Tom was debating and "Johnny Norfolk" was implying that they should all be expelled. Should we have expelled Jewish refugees in the 1930s? or Huguenots when they were being massacred? Or Jews fleeing from earlier pogroms? Each group has provided great benefits both economically and culturally. 
"whose claims of the “unendurable” have been found to be not proven". No its not that they have been found to be "not proven" it is that the Foreign Office has a list of countries considered "safe" and another considered "unsafe" based on whom it wants to favour for realpolitik rather than on reality so it ignores reality and wants the Hiome Office to send innocent victims back to the Congo where they can expect to be murdered and their wives and small daughters raped because their families voted for the party that is now in opposition so as not to disturb its negotiations with the brutal regime. Kurds who fled because the Turkish army wiped out whole villages because the PKK came over the border from Syria and used them as a base, terrorising the villagers, to attacks Turks and the army are expected to suffer because Turkey is "strategically important" and the FO wants to support the left-wing secularist army against the centre-right parties who espouse moderate Islam (I regard this as an error because it is fanning the flames of Islamic extremism). I could go on. Karl Marx was never as badly threatened as these but the Victorians granted him refuge.
There are plenty of economic migrants but you won't find many in Glasgow - they skip out of the Border Control's clutches and find jobs below NMW but above the wages they got at home in the soft South-East.
Your comparison may reflect the position of pensioners but not those on income benefit who don't pay council tax and have their rent paid for them. I don't know the rules about utility bills but since they don't make up anything like half income benefit that can't make much difference. 
Down here, unlike Glasgow, people can get jobs without a work record and I was told last night of the brother-in-law of a friend who got a job last week without having to provide references etc. (as he is an accountant that should have been more unlikely rather than less but ...) When I was young almost everybody got their first job without a work background and many without a checkable character
"Asylum seekers are not allowed to work?, That’s the rule, " But I think it is an extremely stupid rule that could have been designed by the BNP's PR guy. The first asylum seeker (but we didn't call them such when I was a child) I met was a Pole who had fought for us in WW2 and could not go back so he worked for the Forestry Commission in the Highlands, the second was a Christian of Jewish descent, the third another Pole who had flown for the RAF and of course could not go back (remember Katin?) and was a senior scientist for ICI. They all contributed far more to this country than they took out of it. This rule would have stopped Michael Marks founding M&amp;S. 
I am not trying to do down Glaswegians by asking you to treat genuine asylum seekers as human beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liam,<br />
&#8220;I don’t want Glaswegians to live in hellish property&#8221; &#8211; nor do I and I don&#8217;t want Glasgow to sink any further economically.<br />
My initial post was about asylum seekers and not about native Glaswegians because they were the focus of the topic that Tom was debating and &#8220;Johnny Norfolk&#8221; was implying that they should all be expelled. Should we have expelled Jewish refugees in the 1930s? or Huguenots when they were being massacred? Or Jews fleeing from earlier pogroms? Each group has provided great benefits both economically and culturally.<br />
&#8220;whose claims of the “unendurable” have been found to be not proven&#8221;. No its not that they have been found to be &#8220;not proven&#8221; it is that the Foreign Office has a list of countries considered &#8220;safe&#8221; and another considered &#8220;unsafe&#8221; based on whom it wants to favour for realpolitik rather than on reality so it ignores reality and wants the Hiome Office to send innocent victims back to the Congo where they can expect to be murdered and their wives and small daughters raped because their families voted for the party that is now in opposition so as not to disturb its negotiations with the brutal regime. Kurds who fled because the Turkish army wiped out whole villages because the PKK came over the border from Syria and used them as a base, terrorising the villagers, to attacks Turks and the army are expected to suffer because Turkey is &#8220;strategically important&#8221; and the FO wants to support the left-wing secularist army against the centre-right parties who espouse moderate Islam (I regard this as an error because it is fanning the flames of Islamic extremism). I could go on. Karl Marx was never as badly threatened as these but the Victorians granted him refuge.<br />
There are plenty of economic migrants but you won&#8217;t find many in Glasgow &#8211; they skip out of the Border Control&#8217;s clutches and find jobs below NMW but above the wages they got at home in the soft South-East.<br />
Your comparison may reflect the position of pensioners but not those on income benefit who don&#8217;t pay council tax and have their rent paid for them. I don&#8217;t know the rules about utility bills but since they don&#8217;t make up anything like half income benefit that can&#8217;t make much difference.<br />
Down here, unlike Glasgow, people can get jobs without a work record and I was told last night of the brother-in-law of a friend who got a job last week without having to provide references etc. (as he is an accountant that should have been more unlikely rather than less but &#8230;) When I was young almost everybody got their first job without a work background and many without a checkable character<br />
&#8220;Asylum seekers are not allowed to work?, That’s the rule, &#8221; But I think it is an extremely stupid rule that could have been designed by the BNP&#8217;s PR guy. The first asylum seeker (but we didn&#8217;t call them such when I was a child) I met was a Pole who had fought for us in WW2 and could not go back so he worked for the Forestry Commission in the Highlands, the second was a Christian of Jewish descent, the third another Pole who had flown for the RAF and of course could not go back (remember Katin?) and was a senior scientist for ICI. They all contributed far more to this country than they took out of it. This rule would have stopped Michael Marks founding M&amp;S.<br />
I am not trying to do down Glaswegians by asking you to treat genuine asylum seekers as human beings.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Memoirs are made of this by Agfa Gevaert</title>
		<link>http://www.tomharris.org.uk/2010/03/11/memoirs-are-made-of-this/comment-page-1/#comment-38592</link>
		<dc:creator>Agfa Gevaert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a synthetic argument generated by Mr Dale, knowing that a punch-up between two MPs would provide much needed publicity. Or maybe I am being to cynical ?? Or maybe Mr Dale is actually not that devious, but just a lucky bastard?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a synthetic argument generated by Mr Dale, knowing that a punch-up between two MPs would provide much needed publicity. Or maybe I am being to cynical ?? Or maybe Mr Dale is actually not that devious, but just a lucky bastard?</p>
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