It is ever present clear awareness to our sense of perception, when we do feel the sight of our soul.

The soul is like an unborn self, we “grow on top” of it.

A Root grows upward and yields a beautiful flower. How does a flower know itself? It thinks it will always be there,
its only concern is the flower.

In the winter, the flower is gone. The root will grow again another beautiful flower.

We are the root that never dies as an unborn self is never born so it can not die. We grow on the outside like bacteria.

We can all experience the truth of this.
Relax and look inside, what do you see?
What do you feel? Now after that what is the color or sound of or shape of the soul.

pure clear awareness and the body connected to the unborn self.

I guess the topic is worthy, I had my say before on this and still believe that we have a completely wrong attitude concerning aggression. Although being one of the utmost preoccupation of our times, sort of an obsession.

What I am actually concerned (a little) here are the authoritative voices deified through the media, thus by the masses. And the receptivity towards those persistently propagated ideas. It is like the TV tells us not to let kids watch TV, but you have to keep watching it to know what to do. Wonder what “The Cable Guy” would say here…

i would also do it several times, of course, if the first buyer does not want to pay me enough.

any offers welcome

cheers guys

al

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sarcasmo e come un cane mordace che, oltre a mordere, ha imparato a ridere. f.n.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuGK9JnZAAw

Awareness is good in the context. Being aware is preceded by getting aware. It can be a state of mind, but it can be more.

Consider the last paragraph of the post. It is on the contrary. The identity is altering, varying, may be talking about several “I”s. Getting into the inner time and space is orienting towards the subject, but from the existential perspective it is towards more objective realities. As you put it, the ever not-changing self is more objective.

Recognizing an awakened I say it is simply impossible. I don’t see partial awakening as a possibility. Maybe moments, but that is still not partial awakening. Can we then say it is also partial sleeping? Sort of a daydreaming? There is no linearity here. There is no certain finality. Instead there is a paradox to be solved.

I don’t get it how or why it leads to frustration, indifference, hostility. Please explain.

Oh yes, many people say they want to wake up. But when it comes to making an effort - and a superhumanly great effort is required here - they step back. Or maybe ask for that “faster, easier, more effective or why not - cheaper way”. Just consider how ‘The Secret’ turned into a big BS. (Or it was from the start) I hear of attracting even enlightenment trough this “method”. OMG

Whether those people deserve guidance or not is their wish. But from the awakened perspective it is still irrelevant what they wish for. As long as they are in the sleeping state, they don’t have a true will. Their aspiration towards a higher good is very much pure from the ethical perspective. It is good, it is the right thing to do. Dreaming of the sun.

“while asleep, how can you recognize the awakened”.”

How can a blind man recognize color? In the only possible way…

…once he can see…

You can’t recognize an “awakened”, unless you have a common point-of-reference, with them.

If you are partially awake yourself, then you will recognize them. And if you are fully asleep then you will either not care about the issue - or if you do care, then you will have to take it all on faith.

It’s very much of a case of ‘being on the outside and looking in’. Perhaps it leads to a degree of frustration or sometimes even indifference and hostility, I really don’t know. But it is always possible to recognize the people that want to wake up and haven’t done so yet, because they express a certain degree of effort which leads them towards (intellectual) confusion. So in those cases I entirely agree that such people should be given all the guidance possible. And personally I believe they are very deserving of being given that guidance.

As for the higher-faculties emerging. From my own personal experience I can say to you without any form of doubt that these higher-senses only emerge during the moments the ego disappears, or starts breaking down. The ego effectively suppresses these abilities. They don’t emerge because of the Ego, they emerge when the Ego is removed even if only momentarily. At least that is how it has happened for me - so I can talk about that from experience, rather than as an abstract intellectual concept.

However I think I would be very arrogant to say that is how it works for everyone else, after all – who am I to say how these things function for everyone?! Especially without more experience. Part of the process of all forms of development is the realization that at some point we have to leave intellectual concepts at the door. Certain things simply have to be experienced in order to be understood. Now watch how the Ego will fight against that notion – because it likes to believe it can understand everything in the form of concepts! That is how the Ego grabs you, and it won’t let go until you see it for what it is. It simply doesn’t like hearing this sort of thing and generates all sorts of arguments and notions.

Also, the Ego causes problems with these higher-senses - because it tries to ‘interpret’ them in the BS superficial level. They simply won’t work through the Ego. At least that is my experience of them.

That said - I do agree that when you can use them at will - it would be a true sign of an ‘awakened’ mind.

I don’t quite get what you mean with ‘my interpretation of the Tao.’

The Tao isn’t an intellectual concept. It can’t be understood on an intellectual level. That is all a part of the illusion, and the Tao says that itself many times over. Unless I mis-understand what you are saying?

I wrote a bit about Awareness Development a while ago. Or another way of saying that – I wrote about one way to start the process that will eventually lead to spiritual development.

http://www.thethoughts.co.uk/thoughts/awareness-development/

I don’t know if you read that before. But a large part of our development (all forms of development) is finding a balance between authority and personal experience.

Here’s a question for you that is a bit out of the box. On my Spiritual Development, I have found that my ‘higher faculties’ have developed. These ‘higher-senses’ are things like increased intuition, and symbolical understanding of my life etc. I have also experienced premonitions. These things I can validate from my own personal-experience, I am my own authority on these matters because no-one else possibly can be.

As kulcsi says; how can another person provide me with any form of authority on those things? I can discuss the experiences with another person, but that person is not inside my head. That person did not experience what I experienced - therefore that person cannot be an authority. Let’s be clear. If we are talking about spiritual development – which leads to higher awareness, then we are not talking about something that is observable from a third-person perspective. How would you explain ‘green’ to a blind-man?

At best all another person can do with regards to inner development and higher-senses, is to be an impartial observer and share their opinion with me. But even if their words helped me, the fact remains that their opinion would be little more than mere opinion.

For example if I have a dream. I can tell you about it. You could perhaps give me your own ‘interpretation’ on that dream. But the only authority on my dreams is me. Simply because there is no way another person can experience the dream I had. They can give me their opinion, but that opinion can in no way be authoritative. How do you ‘share’ a dream with another person? How would you explain sound to a deaf man?

You speak of oriental ways of approach. Then you will have heard this; “The Tao that can be shown, is not the true Tao”.

“The Tao that can be spoken is not the true Tao.”

In our conversation we could say; “The Tao that is an authority, is not the true Tao.”

I didn’t understand those words until I let go off my intellectual view on the subject. Spiritual development really isn’t an intellectual matter at all…

I agree on getting support in the presence of a guru. Going further, I would say that if that is the only time/place to get closer to a higher state, then it is a sort of a vampirism. If this is the case, some gurus might beat you up But on the more serious side, this Witness concept is not very clear to me the way you use it. The Witness seems to me like a silent entity, thus without judgments, impartial. How it becomes an authority then?

The only “authority” on this question is the inner Witness, and noone else. The presence of a realized guru helps You to be in a higher state of mind which is a firm support on personal/spiritual development. But without judgment one can not make distinction between this authentic support, and the fake, egocentric thoughts. And judgment it cannot be “injected” with a third party person… Every personal and spiritual path is ultimatelly an auto-didactism.