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		<title>Comment on One Man, Two Guvnors – outsourcing and employment law by Chris Hadrill | Top reads this week</title>
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		<title>Comment on One Man, Two Guvnors – outsourcing and employment law by Employment Law Solicitors | Top employment law blogging this week 22.04.2013 to 28.04.2013</title>
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		<dc:creator>Employment Law Solicitors | Top employment law blogging this week 22.04.2013 to 28.04.2013</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;[...] another excellent update, Laurie Antsis examines the outsourcing of work and the employment law implications that this has for both the employer and [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Comment on Employee shareholders – from speech to legislation by Employment Law Solicitors | Top employment law blogging this week 22.04.2013 to 28.04.2013</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 08:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Employee shareholders – from speech to legislation by David Popple</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Popple</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;I shouldn&#039;t worry too much&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Firstly, these types of contract already exist in the real world, albeit they are more akin to people who are engaged on a &quot;contract for services&quot; basis, and have no employment rights anyway.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But the main point is I think employers will avoid this like the plague. As one big employer put it, this just makes it look like business wants to do bad things. Good employers like John Lewis give their employers a share in the business and the employees retain their employment rights. Result? John Lewis are particularly successful, and I would also like to see the amount of Employment Tribunal claims brought agauinst John Lewis. I&#039;d hazard an educated bet it&#039;s very  low - because everyone is happy and there is no need for any employee to exercise the minimum floor of employment rights.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And it&#039;s got more holes than your aunts crotched curtains. For instnace, what if the employer goes bust? What happens to your shares? There&#039;s no money, the employer can&#039;t pay (in fact they have probably ceased to exist) - where does the money come from? You can&#039;t claim to the state - you have no employment rights. It&#039;s a half-baked, half thought out idea which by the sounds of it employers and employees alike will ignore anyway.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A severe waste of time and public resources.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I shouldn&#8217;t worry too much</p>

<p>Firstly, these types of contract already exist in the real world, albeit they are more akin to people who are engaged on a &#8220;contract for services&#8221; basis, and have no employment rights anyway.</p>

<p>But the main point is I think employers will avoid this like the plague. As one big employer put it, this just makes it look like business wants to do bad things. Good employers like John Lewis give their employers a share in the business and the employees retain their employment rights. Result? John Lewis are particularly successful, and I would also like to see the amount of Employment Tribunal claims brought agauinst John Lewis. I&#8217;d hazard an educated bet it&#8217;s very  low &#8211; because everyone is happy and there is no need for any employee to exercise the minimum floor of employment rights.</p>

<p>And it&#8217;s got more holes than your aunts crotched curtains. For instnace, what if the employer goes bust? What happens to your shares? There&#8217;s no money, the employer can&#8217;t pay (in fact they have probably ceased to exist) &#8211; where does the money come from? You can&#8217;t claim to the state &#8211; you have no employment rights. It&#8217;s a half-baked, half thought out idea which by the sounds of it employers and employees alike will ignore anyway.</p>

<p>A severe waste of time and public resources.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Employee shareholders – from speech to legislation by Veronica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Agree with Craig above. Disgusting. The employee already &#039;gives to the company&#039; by working for it according to his contract. Giving up his rights not to be unfairly (not just dismissed but unfairly dismissed) or treated unfairly/wrongfully/unlawfully, by selling them for a future option in a company which may or may not succeed, subject to its owners and managers, is not &#039;being in&quot; it&quot; together&#039;. Whatever &#039;it&#039; is, it certainly isn&#039;t equality. The employee will not get his shares back if he gets sacked so there is no incentive for the employer to retain him. In any case, the Tories changed the law to make the qualifying period 2 years, so why should the empoyee have to sell his protective rights by law when he has not yet acquired them? this is exploitation by the company. The employee should always have the right not to be unfairly dismissed regardless of the company. Once the employee has left, the disputes arising in regard to obtaining the share value will cause more problems than the simple rights the Tories have so voraciously dissolved.
The Lords should have stuck to their beliefs and stopped it again.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with Craig above. Disgusting. The employee already &#8216;gives to the company&#8217; by working for it according to his contract. Giving up his rights not to be unfairly (not just dismissed but unfairly dismissed) or treated unfairly/wrongfully/unlawfully, by selling them for a future option in a company which may or may not succeed, subject to its owners and managers, is not &#8216;being in&#8221; it&#8221; together&#8217;. Whatever &#8216;it&#8217; is, it certainly isn&#8217;t equality. The employee will not get his shares back if he gets sacked so there is no incentive for the employer to retain him. In any case, the Tories changed the law to make the qualifying period 2 years, so why should the empoyee have to sell his protective rights by law when he has not yet acquired them? this is exploitation by the company. The employee should always have the right not to be unfairly dismissed regardless of the company. Once the employee has left, the disputes arising in regard to obtaining the share value will cause more problems than the simple rights the Tories have so voraciously dissolved.
The Lords should have stuck to their beliefs and stopped it again.</p>
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