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		<title>Comment on Worksheet labs aren’t that great: Hooke’s Law by The spring constant of Winston Churchill’s belly « Re:thinking</title>
		<link>http://blog.benwildeboer.com/2012/worksheet-labs-arent-that-great-hookes-law/#comment-1879</link>
		<dc:creator>The spring constant of Winston Churchill’s belly « Re:thinking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 18:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Worksheet labs aren’t that great: Hooke’s Law by Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&lt;strong&gt;Micah&lt;/strong&gt;: I think your suggestion for how to introduce the investigation is pretty good. It's a different entry point into the content- I was starting with trying to establish the linear relationship between force &amp; displacement and then focus on how the spring constant manifests itself in real life. I think if you started with your suggestion (which I like), I'd throw in some investigation where they had maybe three different springs and three 20g masses and had to work out what the spring constant tells you about a spring. Either way I think students would get the relationships down, which to me is the most important part. I'm not sure that even a brief lecture about Hooke's Law would be necessary- other than a quick class discussion on the fact that this F=kx thing they just figured out &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; Hooke's Law. But maybe that's what you meant anyway.

As for the oscillation frequency section- I agree it's a separate concept, and I thought about either leaving it out entirely or doing a separate post about it. In the end I included it because it was included in the "traditional" lab I used as a jumping off point for this post. In the classroom I think I'd give it some separation from the first part of the activity- though I do think you could flow fairly smoothly from the first investigation (Hooke's Law) to the second (simple harmonic motion).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<strong>Micah</strong>: I think your suggestion for how to introduce the investigation is pretty good. It&#8217;s a different entry point into the content- I was starting with trying to establish the linear relationship between force &#038; displacement and then focus on how the spring constant manifests itself in real life. I think if you started with your suggestion (which I like), I&#8217;d throw in some investigation where they had maybe three different springs and three 20g masses and had to work out what the spring constant tells you about a spring. Either way I think students would get the relationships down, which to me is the most important part. I&#8217;m not sure that even a brief lecture about Hooke&#8217;s Law would be necessary- other than a quick class discussion on the fact that this F=kx thing they just figured out <em>is</em> Hooke&#8217;s Law. But maybe that&#8217;s what you meant anyway.</p>
<p>As for the oscillation frequency section- I agree it&#8217;s a separate concept, and I thought about either leaving it out entirely or doing a separate post about it. In the end I included it because it was included in the &#8220;traditional&#8221; lab I used as a jumping off point for this post. In the classroom I think I&#8217;d give it some separation from the first part of the activity- though I do think you could flow fairly smoothly from the first investigation (Hooke&#8217;s Law) to the second (simple harmonic motion).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Worksheet labs aren’t that great: Hooke’s Law by Micah S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micah S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or better yet, make it something strange like 32g the first time, and 124g the second time. Don't let students get away with simple averages!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or better yet, make it something strange like 32g the first time, and 124g the second time. Don&#8217;t let students get away with simple averages!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Worksheet labs aren’t that great: Hooke’s Law by Micah S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micah S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doh, for the first exploration activity it should be "when a mass of *30g* is hung". Otherwise it would be extrapolation too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doh, for the first exploration activity it should be &#8220;when a mass of *30g* is hung&#8221;. Otherwise it would be extrapolation too!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Worksheet labs aren’t that great: Hooke’s Law by Micah S</title>
		<link>http://blog.benwildeboer.com/2012/worksheet-labs-arent-that-great-hookes-law/#comment-1860</link>
		<dc:creator>Micah S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!

While I was reading over your post, I thought of this one:

* Given a spring, ruler and three 20g masses, predict the length x that the spring will stretch when a mass of 15g is hung from it. Justify your answer using a careful analysis of data that you collect, including graphs and equations.

This covers 1 and 2 of what you'd like them to understand, because they're going to have to verify that the relationship between force/mass and the displacement is linear, model that line as a best fit line/equation with a specific slope for that spring, and then interpolate to find the desired length.

If you have time, you could give them little guidance on how to do the analysis and then follow this exploration with a short lecture on Hooke's law then have them repeat the lab but with a slightly different question:

* Given a spring, ruler and three 20g masses, predict the length x that the spring will stretch when a mass of 120g is hung from it. Justify your answer using a careful analysis of data that you collect, including graphs and equations.

Same procedure, so students who didn't do a deep enough analysis can improve their write-up, but advanced students can also explore the difference between interpolation and extrapolation, and start to intuit the idea of an elastic limit.

The oscillation frequency/period of the spring seems like such a separate concept, I'd leave it out of that first activity. I like the way you have it in "Fifth", but I think the leap to drawing a force diagram for the spring might be too big for most students; I'd want them to notice it's not just a systematic error in the period vs mass relationship, it's an error of *missing mass* (observed periods are longer than calculated/predicted periods, therefore either k is wrong -- unlikely -- or the oscillating mass is bigger than what we're using to calculate period).  What mass could be missing from our calculation? What else in the system that is oscillating has mass? And then go on from there as you describe.

What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!</p>
<p>While I was reading over your post, I thought of this one:</p>
<p>* Given a spring, ruler and three 20g masses, predict the length x that the spring will stretch when a mass of 15g is hung from it. Justify your answer using a careful analysis of data that you collect, including graphs and equations.</p>
<p>This covers 1 and 2 of what you&#8217;d like them to understand, because they&#8217;re going to have to verify that the relationship between force/mass and the displacement is linear, model that line as a best fit line/equation with a specific slope for that spring, and then interpolate to find the desired length.</p>
<p>If you have time, you could give them little guidance on how to do the analysis and then follow this exploration with a short lecture on Hooke&#8217;s law then have them repeat the lab but with a slightly different question:</p>
<p>* Given a spring, ruler and three 20g masses, predict the length x that the spring will stretch when a mass of 120g is hung from it. Justify your answer using a careful analysis of data that you collect, including graphs and equations.</p>
<p>Same procedure, so students who didn&#8217;t do a deep enough analysis can improve their write-up, but advanced students can also explore the difference between interpolation and extrapolation, and start to intuit the idea of an elastic limit.</p>
<p>The oscillation frequency/period of the spring seems like such a separate concept, I&#8217;d leave it out of that first activity. I like the way you have it in &#8220;Fifth&#8221;, but I think the leap to drawing a force diagram for the spring might be too big for most students; I&#8217;d want them to notice it&#8217;s not just a systematic error in the period vs mass relationship, it&#8217;s an error of *missing mass* (observed periods are longer than calculated/predicted periods, therefore either k is wrong &#8212; unlikely &#8212; or the oscillating mass is bigger than what we&#8217;re using to calculate period).  What mass could be missing from our calculation? What else in the system that is oscillating has mass? And then go on from there as you describe.</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The New Endeavor by 3+ Quick- Birthday, (grading) scale matters, exposing climate fraud, debunking handbook « Re:thinking</title>
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		<dc:creator>3+ Quick- Birthday, (grading) scale matters, exposing climate fraud, debunking handbook « Re:thinking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In addition, I realized that the anniversary of this blog just passed. My first post was published January 12, 2008. As I look back at my first posts, it’s clear that I’ve come a long way (hopefully for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In addition, I realized that the anniversary of this blog just passed. My first post was published January 12, 2008. As I look back at my first posts, it&#8217;s clear that I&#8217;ve come a long way (hopefully for [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is the purpose of Physics class? by Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! Here's to hoping the job market for Physics teachers is full of openings and low on applicants. 

BTW, you wouldn't be the first person I've met through the Twitter to mistakenly refer to me as Will or Willy. Guess that's what I get for  having a long last name and not thinking too hard about creating a shortened version of it. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! Here&#8217;s to hoping the job market for Physics teachers is full of openings and low on applicants. </p>
<p>BTW, you wouldn&#8217;t be the first person I&#8217;ve met through the Twitter to mistakenly refer to me as Will or Willy. Guess that&#8217;s what I get for  having a long last name and not thinking too hard about creating a shortened version of it. <img src='http://blog.benwildeboer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on What is the purpose of Physics class? by Frank Noschese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Noschese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

I meant Ben! (I was thinking about your Twitter handle, @WillyB.) Sorry, bud.

Frank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>I meant Ben! (I was thinking about your Twitter handle, @WillyB.) Sorry, bud.</p>
<p>Frank</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is the purpose of Physics class? by Frank Noschese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Noschese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 20:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Will,

Sounds like you'll do just fine next year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Will,</p>
<p>Sounds like you&#8217;ll do just fine next year!<br />
<span class="cluv">Frank Noschese&#180;s last [type] ..<a class="d9e2091f80 1848" rel="nofollow" href="http://fnoschese.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/my-vision-for-a-physics-ibook/">My Vision for a Physics iBook</a></span></p>
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		<title>Comment on Pipe Insulation Roller Coaster Assessment by Ben</title>
		<link>http://blog.benwildeboer.com/2011/pipe-insulation-roller-coaster-assessment/#comment-1846</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not exactly quick on the responses here...sorry about that.

Thanks for the kind words. I've seen via Twitter that you've started the project- I'm glad you found the pipe insulation posts helpful. I've been meaning to write them up for a looong time. Let me know how you managed your space issues- in all likelihood if I run this project in the future I'll have space issues as well.

My advice for you (or any relatively new teachers) is to not be afraid to try new projects and activities. I think often projects get nixed early on by teachers who are afraid they'll take too much time for too little value. On the face of it these roller coasters could fit that category. Try out a new project or two each year. Some &lt;em&gt;will&lt;/em&gt; have too little value for their time, but as you progress you'll get better and better and figuring out how to improve projects and you'll find most projects will succeed. After a few years you'll have plenty of great activities and projects to choose from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not exactly quick on the responses here&#8230;sorry about that.</p>
<p>Thanks for the kind words. I&#8217;ve seen via Twitter that you&#8217;ve started the project- I&#8217;m glad you found the pipe insulation posts helpful. I&#8217;ve been meaning to write them up for a looong time. Let me know how you managed your space issues- in all likelihood if I run this project in the future I&#8217;ll have space issues as well.</p>
<p>My advice for you (or any relatively new teachers) is to not be afraid to try new projects and activities. I think often projects get nixed early on by teachers who are afraid they&#8217;ll take too much time for too little value. On the face of it these roller coasters could fit that category. Try out a new project or two each year. Some <em>will</em> have too little value for their time, but as you progress you&#8217;ll get better and better and figuring out how to improve projects and you&#8217;ll find most projects will succeed. After a few years you&#8217;ll have plenty of great activities and projects to choose from.</p>
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