Creative Twilight - Latest Comments

Re: You Like Me, You Really Like Me!

VENNgeance — Fri, 03 Sep 2010 15:10:39 -0000

Haha!! Have a good weekend dude, and I totally appreciate how time consuming running a blog is, I've only just finished the layout of my own blog, and have yet to get around to posting stuff. I also find that I spend too much time on other peoples blogs than my own, and in some cases it is time wasted not well spent especially when they are vainglorious-seeking know-it-alls, but I am learning how to divide my time appropriately now, and I do find this blog to be entertaining and worth popping by.

The only real downfall is that I spend so much time watching other peoples WiP's that I have seriously neglected my own painting to the point where the most progress I've made in the last 3weeks is to test-run some Army Painter Dragon Red, which I might add is the greatest red since sliced bread!! Those boys have the priming game seriously worked out, no more the days of just Chaos Black or Skull White undercoats, now we have REAL choice.. But that's a post for another time, and a topic for my own blog when I can drag myself away from all the beautifully painted mini's on others...

Again, have a great weekend and thanks for taking time to share your hobbying.

Re: Mission Idea #4: Attack and Defend

eriochrome — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 11:26:39 -0000

Happy to assist. The growing point values come from GW through Apoc Reloaded as a modification of cumulitive points to make the end of the game still exciting and prevent one side from getting such a lead by the end of turn 3 that the game is not worth playing more regardless of the states of the armies.

Re: Mission Idea #4: Attack and Defend

Thor_DoH — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 11:11:30 -0000

I'm really liking the idea of growing point values. It's simple but really adds a nice dynamic to the mission.

I appreciate you taking the time to help me out with these missions.

Re: Mission Idea #1: The Long Haul

Thor_DoH — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 11:02:30 -0000

Thanks for the link. Interesting...I may have to borrow your outflank concept if you don't mind.

Re: Mission Idea #4: Attack and Defend

eriochrome — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 10:58:07 -0000

A way to do it is the point are scored in the half turn for your deployment zone so at the end of any player turn if there are no enemy troops in his zone he gets a point but if there are the opponent gets the point. You then have points awarded after the last turn worth twice the in game turns.

Another option is the growing points like zero after turn 1, 1 after turn 2, 2 after turn 3, etc. Makes the last turns more important like a real battle and helps with balance between fast and slow armies.

I have a similar mission written here:

http://twilight40k.blogspot.com/2009/07/new-warhammer-40k-mission-accumulation.html

Re: Mission Idea #1: The Long Haul

eriochrome — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 10:50:34 -0000

I wrote up something similar about a year ago:

http://twilight40k.blogspot.com/2009/08/40k-new-mission-deployment-type-narrow.html

It is just a general deployment type to be used in standard missions it uses only a 12 inch nomans land in the center since shooty armies can take advantage of the extra depth and it modifies all movement from reserves for outflank and similar codex special rules (wolf scouts, ork commandos with special character).

Re: Mission Idea #1: The Long Haul

Thor_DoH — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 10:08:12 -0000

This is something I've been considering. I think 24" deployment would work well.

I like the idea of keeping outflank but a change may be in order the more I think about it. What about changing outflank to use the table corners for arrival? So, 1-2 would be left corner in the enemy deployment zone, 3-4 right corner in their zone, and 5-6 you pick. It would still give you a reason to outflank but not as powerful as the original idea above. With the objectives being in the center board area, outflanking wouldn't let you jump right to an objective but instead be used to try and unseat your enemy's back lines.

Re: Mission Idea #4: Attack and Defend

Thor_DoH — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 10:01:02 -0000

Valid points.

I do like the idea of cumulative scoring, it just works easier with the scoring system we use. If I went more like the original Recon mission then it all comes down to the last turn, where things are at when the game ends. Going the route of the original mission is possible but would require changing it so you aren't scoring at the end of each game turn but instead game end. So, something like:

+1 for each Troop unit in the enemy deployment zone at game end
+1 if no enemy Troops are in your deployment zone at game end

What concerns me with something like that is there's a greater chance for a tie. What about instead I change up the deployment so foot sloggers aren't crossing 24" to reach the enemy's deployment zone? Spearhead would put the enemy closer together and probably make for a more strategic scenario as well.

Re: Mission Idea #1: The Long Haul

eriochrome — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 09:55:10 -0000

This mission should not use outflank as the narrow board gives those units to large of a threat range. Deployment should also be larger perhaps 24 to 30 inches so the farthest someone to go is not so much larger than in the normal pitched battle (36 inches from deployment to opponent baseline). At 18 inches a unit might have to travel 54 inches to get to the opponents base.

Re: Mission Idea #4: Attack and Defend

eriochrome — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 09:49:47 -0000

This mission will just crush a foot based army. 24 inches to cross plus terrain issues means that you could easily be down 6-0 by the fourth turn when you finally get that unit that has only been running into the opponents half. Also one of the problems with the cumuliative scoring is that it messes the balance between going first and second. It allows the player going second to essentially do objective grab tactics every turn.

Does Mech really need more help?

Re: Mission Idea #4: Attack and Defend

Thor_DoH — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 09:13:45 -0000

The one thing I'm unsure of, and probably going to come down to play testing, is the margin of victory scores. In running some basic scenarios of how games 'typically' play out, the margin of 3 seemed appropriate for a massacre.

Re: Mission Idea #4: Attack and Defend

sonsoftaurus — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 09:06:03 -0000

I like it. Basically a broader version of Capture and Control that doesn't result in nearly as many ties. Would be a good C&C substitute for tourneys.

Re: Making Your Own Foam Trays

Thor_DoH — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 07:24:11 -0000

Thanks and I'll definitely check that out. Vehicles can be a chore.

Re: Finding My Voice

Thor_DoH — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 07:07:20 -0000

My Army Record is the programmer nerd in me. I can't help but database things like that and so I started that as soon as I got into 40K. I may be the only person I've met who has a history of every single game they've played, heh.

As far as direction, it's not so much changing it as refining it I think. I'll still post up the same stuff I do now but I just feel more like I have a direction now instead of whatever suits me on a given day. So, when struggling to find something worth posting I at least have an objective I'm trying to fill.

No big deal on the program. I have a friend at the shop trying it out also. Between the three of us using it as we have time, though I use it weekly, I'm sure we'll find whatever bugs I have left in there.

Re: Making Your Own Foam Trays

dethtron — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 02:25:38 -0000

awesome stuff. those look pretty much as good as sabol or gw's stuff.

you might want to check out lauby's take on custom fit trays for vehicles and such

http://lauby.blogspot.com/2010/08/wednesdays-in-progress-eldar-and-some.html

Re: Finding My Voice

Papa JJ — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 00:49:01 -0000

I've been looking around your blog for a while now and am still finding lots more cool content. For example, just last week I started looking through the impressive records of all your games over the past several years. It's very fascinating to see the story of your 40k experience in such a unique way. And the Gauntlet series has been really great, I just wish I'd had the opportunity to participate in it sooner.

I look forward to seeing the direction you decide to take Creative Twilight. Any thoughts on what more you'd might like to do?

By the way, I haven't gotten much time yet to try out your army list program. I did get to try out some basic stuff on it and have encountered no problems. First impression is that it's an excellent tool, just what I'd hoped it would be. Thanks for letting me try it out, I should be able to give you more feedback soon.

Re: Finding My Voice

Thor_DoH — Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:28:54 -0000

Glad you enjoy the blog and I can't say how much of what you find here are 'goodies' but there certainly is a lot of rambling to be found :)

I also appreciate the link from your blog. I've returned the favor in kind. Now I'll remember to visit it. I think that's really what my blogroll is, reminders for me!

Re: Finding My Voice

loquacious — Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:07:59 -0000

It's always rewarding to see growth and change. I enjoy your blog (haven't read even a quarter of the goodies yet) and can't wait to see what you have to bring in this new installment.

Re: My Change of View on Army Composition

Thor_DoH — Sun, 29 Aug 2010 08:17:41 -0000

I think that's really the only fair way to do it. Have an impartial panel of judges score the armies.

Re: My Change of View on Army Composition

aurenian — Sun, 29 Aug 2010 06:39:04 -0000

I agree. If you have a comp scoring system. On the other hand I played in a tournament that had panel comp that was pretty good.

They had about six judges from all over the country who were sent the lists before the tournament. They all marked each list individually and the scores were averaged.

Re: My Change of View on Army Composition

abusepuppy — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:15:30 -0000

>Not because I want to field some obscenely cheesy list, but because I want to field my list the way I design it.

This is essentially the problem with comp. In the name of making more lists playable, it removes lists from playability.

And, as sonsoftaurus notes, comp merely changes what units/builds are powerful. If the comp system penalizes special characters, other things take their place. If it punishes mechanized, foot builds (SW and 'Nids) become overwhelming. If it rewards troops, non-5E codices become largely unplayable. None of these things "balances" the game, they just change the balance.

Re: My Change of View on Army Composition

Thor_DoH — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:02:54 -0000

Very true, as I've come to realize. Good players can still work within the confines of a comp system, sometimes even taking hits and scoring lower than others on it, but still end up taking it all anyway. I feel it's really hurting the newer players more than anything else. Plus, if you tried to keep evolving comp scoring to try and completely eliminate all power builds then the games would just become dull and predictable.

Re: My Change of View on Army Composition

sonsoftaurus — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:48:05 -0000

All most comp systems do is change what some of the power builds are, not eliminate them.

Re: August Tournament Results

Thor_DoH — Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:01:54 -0000

Damn it. I really need to hit reply to people instead of typing a reply to the post. Bah!

Re: August Tournament Results

Thor_DoH — Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:01:26 -0000

Thanks.

The other player who wrote a mission liked mine, and I his. After the tournament we chatted about them, working out ways to improve them and such. The two newer players didn't have anything to say, which wasn't surprising.