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					<description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e969/" title="Who Smarted? Why Human-Made Kids&#8217; Media Still Beats the Bots" rel="nofollow"><img width="1024" height="576" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/969-jerry-kolbert-whosmarted-1024x576.png" class="webfeedsFeaturedVisual wp-post-image" alt="" style="display: block; margin: auto; margin-bottom: 5px;max-width: 100%;" link_thumbnail="1" decoding="async" fetchpriority="high" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/969-jerry-kolbert-whosmarted-1024x576.png 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/969-jerry-kolbert-whosmarted-300x169.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/969-jerry-kolbert-whosmarted-768x432.png 768w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/969-jerry-kolbert-whosmarted-1170x658.png 1170w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/969-jerry-kolbert-whosmarted-585x329.png 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/969-jerry-kolbert-whosmarted.png 1280w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a><p>From the Cool Cat Teacher Blog by Vicki Davis <P>Subscribe to the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast and Cool Cat Teacher Talk anywhere you listen to podcasts.</p>
<p>Jerry Kolber built Nat Geo's Brain Games and Netflix's Brainchild, then moved his team off screens entirely. How teachers use kids' podcasts for transition time, how to get the free ad-free classroom version, and why human accountability still beats AI-generated content.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">&#8220;Who Smarted?&#8221; OK, the name would make middle schoolers laugh. Yes, the topics might be gross to some of us adults. (Like who wants to talk about digestion even though probiotics seem to be the rage right now?) And yet, they cover topics that kids are learning, and if you&#8217;re a classroom teacher, you can sign up to listen ad-free. (And if you&#8217;re going to use this in the classroom, you need to take the ads off.)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In this show, we talk about the growth of the show, why human-created content is more important than ever, and how teachers are using podcasts to promote listening skills and screen-free learning and fun. Of course, as a podcaster, I think podcasts are great for transition time (so many people listen to this show in the car!). But transition time in the classroom is great for students. Also, search back episodes of the podcasts you love. When you have shows with a lot of content, there are great nuggets in the back catalog. I hope you enjoy Jerry Kolber talking about Who Smarted? Let&#8217;s learn!</p>



<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>…the AI demos I&#8217;ve seen are so cold. I mean, they are filled with misinformation, but they just also sound like a machine…</p><cite>Jerry Kolber, creator of Brain Games (Nat Geo) and Brainchild (Netflix)</cite></blockquote></figure>



<div class="wp-block-yoast-seo-table-of-contents yoast-table-of-contents"><h2>Table of contents</h2><ul><li><a href="#h-listen-to-the-show" data-level="2">Listen to the Show</a></li><li><a href="#h-key-takeaways-for-teachers-from-jerry-kolber" data-level="2">Key Takeaways for Teachers from Jerry Kolber</a><ul><li><a href="#h-resources-for-building-listening-skills" data-level="3">Resources for Building Listening Skills</a></li></ul></li></ul></div>



<h2 id="h-listen-to-the-show" class="wp-block-heading">Listen to the Show</h2>


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<h2 id="h-key-takeaways-for-teachers-from-jerry-kolber" class="wp-block-heading">Key Takeaways for Teachers from Jerry Kolber</h2>



<p class="cct-target wp-block-paragraph">Elementary students and middle schoolers. Get the <a href="https://whosmarted.com/educator/">ad-free classroom version</a>.</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Building listening skills is important and screen-free is a great way to do this. Jerry says that teachers tell him they like to play episodes after they return from lunch or recess, or as the class shifts to the next subject.</li>



<li><strong>Question breaks.</strong> In the podcast, they run mini quizzes every three or four minutes. You can pause there and have students answer out loud. This builds listening, comprehension and brings teachable moments to the forefront as students ask questions. I love to encourage students to ask &#8220;good questions&#8221; (and every question is a good question except the one that was just answered &#8211; because if you repeat the one that was answered, you guessed it, you weren&#8217;t listening!)</li>



<li><strong>Co-listening is a great activity. </strong>Common Sense Media recommends this podcast as a great one for co-listening. </li>



<li><strong>Giving feedback.</strong> When a human makes a podcast, then you can offer feedback. If a bot creates a podcast, who fixes it? Right. But if a human makes one and you disagree or have another point, you can reach out and contact them. Even this point encourages students to understand the difference between bot-created and human-created content. There is a place and need for both, but humans have values and you can learn what to expect from them.</li>
</ul>



<p class="cct-try wp-block-paragraph">Pick one 15-minute episode (I&#8217;ve given you five great choices below to select from) and play it Monday as students come back from lunch. Don&#8217;t introduce it, don&#8217;t assign anything — just press play. When the show asks its multiple-choice question (it will, every three or four minutes), pause and have students hold up one, two, or three fingers for A, B, or C before you play the answer. Search back episodes to find one that is about current topics in your classroom.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Resources Mentioned in This Episode</h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong><a href="https://whosmarted.com/educator/">Who Smarted?+ free subscription for educators</a></strong> — The one to do first. Classroom educators get the ad-free version of the show free. Go to whosmarted.com, click Educators, and enter your school email (.edu, .k12, .org, .gov, or .schools). If your address doesn&#8217;t qualify, email WhoSmarted@WhoSmarted.com and they&#8217;ll help you sort it out.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://whosmarted.com/">Who Smarted?</a></strong> — The main show. Short episodes on history, the human body, space, and whatever else kids are asking about, hosted by the Trusty Narrator.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://whosmarted.com/all-episodes/">The Who Smarted? episode archive</a></strong> — Browse the back catalog by topic and find something that matches what you&#8217;re teaching this week.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/who-smarted-educational-podcast-for-kids/id1533462141">Who Smarted? on Apple Podcasts</a></strong> — Or search &#8220;Who Smarted?&#8221; in any podcast app. No subscription and no special app required.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.atomicentertainment.com/">Atomic Entertainment</a></strong> — Jerry&#8217;s company, and home of <em>Mysteries About True Histories</em> (M.A.T.H.), the scripted series where two kids solve mysteries in their hometown using math, logic, and history. Worth a look if you teach math or social studies.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Anxious-Generation-Rewiring-Childhood-Epidemic/dp/0593655036?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20">The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness</a></strong> by Jonathan Haidt (Penguin Press, 2024) — The book Jerry references on screen time, anxiety, and depression in kids.</li>
</ul>



<p class="cct-research wp-block-paragraph">Clinicians at the Charlotte Speech and Hearing Center, a nonprofit that runs more than 2,000 screenings a year, now identify communication delays in about <strong>38% of the preschoolers they screen</strong> — nearly double the pre-pandemic rate of 20–22%. Staff point to missed face-to-face interaction during the pandemic years, more screen time, and fewer chances for back-and-forth conversation. This is one organization&#8217;s regional screening data, not a national study — but it matches what a lot of teachers are describing. <a href="https://www.wcnc.com/article/entertainment/television/charlotte-today/why-more-kids-are-struggling-to-communicate/275-b8bcec9d-cf04-4f24-a56a-f2845d524975">WCNC Charlotte, August 2026</a></p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">About Jerry Kolber</h2>


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<figure ><img decoding="async" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Jerry-Kolber-headshot.jpeg" alt="Jerry Kolber, creator of the Who Smarted? kids podcast and of Brain Games and Brainchild, on screen-free learning for classrooms" style="width:300px"/></figure>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Jerry is the creator of educational TV shows including Brain Games (Nat Geo) and Brainchild (Netflix). He and his company focus on making learning fun and accessible for everyone. His podcasts <a href="https://whosmarted.com/">Who Smarted?</a> and Mysteries About True Histories are used by families, teachers, and homeschoolers around the world to get kids engaged and excited about math, history, science, and more.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Connect with Jerry:</strong> <a href="https://www.atomicentertainment.com/">AtomicEntertainment.com</a> | <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jerry-kolber/">LinkedIn</a> | <a href="https://www.facebook.com/WhoSmarted/">Facebook</a></p>



<p class="cct-takeaway wp-block-paragraph">Before you put any content in front of students, ask who you would email if it were wrong. If there&#8217;s a name on the other end, you have a correction path. If there isn&#8217;t, you&#8217;re the only quality check in the room — and you should read or listen all the way through before you press play. That test works on podcasts, on AI-generated worksheets, and on whatever comes next.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Kids Podcast and Listening Resources for Teachers and Administrators</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As always, follow your district&#8217;s policy on what you play in class.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">STEP 1: Get the Ad-Free Classroom Version First</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Do this before you play anything for students. The public feed is free but ad-supported, and the ads are not aimed at children (more on that in the safety notes below). The educator version removes them.</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Go to <a href="https://whosmarted.com/educator/">whosmarted.com/educator</a></li>



<li>Enter your school email — <strong>.edu, .k12, .org, .gov,</strong> or <strong>.schools</strong> addresses qualify</li>



<li>You get a promo code back within seconds for <strong>Who Smarted?+</strong>, which is the ad-free tier plus bonus episodes, at no charge</li>



<li>If your school email doesn&#8217;t end in one of those, email <strong>WhoSmarted@WhoSmarted.com</strong> and ask — they say they&#8217;ll try to sort it out for working educators</li>
</ul>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">STEP 2: Pick Your First Five Episodes</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There is no published &#8220;most popular&#8221; list, so I built this from what Jerry actually named on the show — food and human-body episodes are the runaway favorites — plus one the show itself labels its most requested. Every link opens the full episode with a transcript on the page, which is useful if you have readers who need to follow along.</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong><a href="https://whosmarted.com/episode/where-was-the-first-school/">Where was the first School?</a></strong> — Start here in August. Compulsory education, one-room schoolhouses, a boat school in Bangladesh, a kindergarten in Germany shaped like a giant cat. Perfect for the first week when you&#8217;re building routines anyway.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://whosmarted.com/episode/how-are-pickles-made/">How are Pickles made?</a></strong> — The food category Jerry says always wins. Fermentation, food preservation before refrigeration, and a real pickling recipe kids can do at home with an adult.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://whosmarted.com/episode/what-causes-a-geyser/">What causes a Geyser?</a></strong> — Earth science with pressure, steam, and tectonic plates, wrapped around a true story about 1877 tourists washing their laundry in Old Faithful.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://whosmarted.com/episode/what-events-were-in-the-very-first-olympics/">What events were in the very first Olympics?</a></strong> — Ancient Greece, the city-state truce, and where the Olympic rings actually come from. Good social studies tie-in.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/why-is-roblox-our-most-requested-episode/id1533462141?i=1000615919547">Why is Roblox our most requested episode?</a></strong> — The show&#8217;s own title tells you how often kids asked for this one. Hand it to the student who says podcasts are boring.</li>
</ul>



<p class="ccty-try wp-block-paragraph">Browse the rest at <a href="https://whosmarted.com/all-episodes/">the full episode archive</a>. That back-catalog point is the one I&#8217;d underline from this episode — with a library this size, there is almost certainly something that lines up with your current unit.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">STEP 3: Build the Listening Routine</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">An episode playing is not the same thing as students listening. Here are some tips to encourage listening skills:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong>Use it at a transition, not as a lesson.</strong> Coming back from lunch or recess, or the shift from one subject to the next. You are replacing noise, not adding a block.</li>



<li><strong>Stop at the question breaks.</strong> The show asks a multiple-choice or true/false question every three or four minutes. Pause it. Make students answer out loud or show fingers for A, B, or C before you press play. That is the whole intervention.</li>



<li><strong>Let them hear it more than once.</strong> Replaying an episode later in the week costs you nothing and might be something to do for your more popular episodes or if a lot of students didn&#8217;t catch something.</li>
</ul>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">Tool Safety Notes</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here&#8217;s what you&#8217;ll want to know about this podcast from resources you trust.</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong>Common Sense Media rates Who Smarted? age 6 and up</strong> and gave it a <strong>Common Sense Selection</strong> award. Their reviewer flags exactly one content item: mild potty humor. Violence, language, sexual content, and consumerism are all marked not present. They also call it &#8220;co-listening at its best,&#8221; which is the same thing Jerry says he designed for. <a href="https://www.commonsensemedia.org/podcast-reviews/who-smarted">Read the full review</a>.</li>



<li><strong>⚠️ The free public feed carries advertising, and it is not kid-targeted.</strong> In several current episodes, the ad breaks included a children&#8217;s debit card and money app, a language-learning subscription, a website builder, a tutoring subscription, and a personal-finance podcast about couples arguing over money. None of that is inappropriate, exactly — but it is adult marketing, some of it financial, playing to a room of eight-year-olds who cannot opt out. <strong>This is the practical reason to get the educator version before you play anything in class.</strong></li>



<li><strong>Episodes run about 16 minutes</strong> according to Common Sense Media&#8217;s listing, so plan for a little more than the fifteen minutes. I&#8217;m not going to criticize on that one (ahem, someone paying attention will get why I say that.) Their short &#8220;Trusty Trivia&#8221; episodes run closer to six or seven if you need a smaller block.</li>



<li><strong>No account is required for students.</strong> Kids never sign in and never enter anything. You play it; they listen. That keeps this well clear of most student-data questions.</li>
</ul>



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<h3 id="h-resources-for-building-listening-skills" class="wp-block-heading">Resources for Building Listening Skills</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Listening is the one language domain we test and almost never teach directly. A few other places you can wbuild listening skills worth knowing about:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong><a href="https://listenwise.com/">Listenwise</a></strong> — Podcast and video lessons for grades 2–12 built specifically around listening comprehension, with auto-scored quizzes, interactive transcripts, and standards alignment. Strong for multilingual learners. It&#8217;s a paid platform with a free trial, and it carries <strong>ESSA Level IV</strong> evidence validation — worth knowing if you&#8217;re the person who has to justify a purchase.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.asha.org/public/speech/development/">ASHA: Typical Speech and Language Development</a></strong> — From the American Speech-Language-Hearing Association. The <strong>Communication Development: Kindergarten–5th Grade</strong> page is the one to bookmark; it tells you what listening and comprehension should look like at each grade, which is what you need before you decide a student is &#8220;not paying attention.&#8221;</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.commonsensemedia.org/podcast-reviews">Common Sense Media podcast reviews</a></strong> — Age ratings and content notes for hundreds of kids&#8217; podcasts. Check here before you queue anything new for a class.</li>
</ul>
</div></div>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading">Other free kids&#8217; podcasts worth a listen</h5>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If Who Smarted? lands with your students, Common Sense Media rates these in the same neighborhood: <strong>Brains On!</strong> (science, age 8+), <strong>But Why: A Podcast for Curious Kids</strong> (age 6+), <strong>Tumble Science Podcast for Kids</strong> (age 7+), <strong>Forever Ago</strong> (history, age 5+), and <strong>NASA&#8217;s Curious Universe</strong> (age 7+). Rotate them so listening time doesn&#8217;t become one more thing that feels the same every day.</p>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading">Go deeper on screens and young learners</h5>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Anxious-Generation-Rewiring-Childhood-Epidemic/dp/0593655036?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20">The Anxious Generation</a></strong> by Jonathan Haidt (Penguin Press, 2024) — the book Jerry names on the show.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.wcnc.com/article/entertainment/television/charlotte-today/why-more-kids-are-struggling-to-communicate/275-b8bcec9d-cf04-4f24-a56a-f2845d524975">Why more kids are struggling to communicate</a></strong> — Clinicians at the Charlotte Speech and Hearing Center, a nonprofit running more than 2,000 screenings a year, now identify communication delays in about <strong>38% of the preschoolers they screen</strong>, up from a pre-pandemic 20–22%. One organization&#8217;s regional screening data rather than a national study — but it matches what a lot of us are seeing walk through the door.</li>
</ul>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Other Shows for Elementary and Middle School Teachers</h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/smart2025/">Smart Ideas for Teacher Prep, Reading, Writing, and Screen-Free Fun</a> — Cool Cat Teacher Talk Season 3, Episode 9. Jerry&#8217;s original conversation aired here alongside Dr. Jacob Kirksey, Malia Hollowell, and Nancy McCabe.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e929/">Brain Friendly Reading Strategies That Actually Work</a> — Malia Hollowell on science-based reading strategies for young learners.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/cool-cat-teacher-talk/">Cool Cat Teacher Talk</a> — My radio and TV show, on YouTube and stations across the country.</li>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Listen and Subscribe</h2>



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<p>For twenty-five years we sent the struggling kid to the back of the room with headphones on. Todd Brekhus of Renaissance explains why that broke personalized learning, and how teacher-facing AI hands the room back to you.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Personalizing teaching and learning is tough. As teachers, it requires so much work and effort to level texts, adapt how we teach to each child, and do everything we can to manage the classroom at the same time. As a teacher, I&#8217;ve wanted to customize learning for each student easily and have wished that AI could do that for me more easily. It is great to see companies like the one represented in today&#8217;s Thought Leader Thursday, Renaissance Intelligence, who are working to do that. I sat down with Todd Brekhus, who leads Nearpod and is the Chief Product Officer at Renaissance, to talk about their thoughts behind how they designed Renaissance Intelligence.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I like the idea of teacher-facing AI tools that make managing the complexity of personalized teaching and learning simpler. I saw it demoed on the floor at ISTE and recommend checking it out for yourself. Now, I will admit, we did have a fun trip through the 1990&#8217;s and 2000&#8217;s to discuss what we learned in that time in history and how the lessons we learned about teaching and learning apply to today. (Oh, and Todd worked with Vint Cerf; that is just cool.) Let&#8217;s learn! </p>



<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>…put the teaching back into personalized learning.</p><cite>Todd Brekhus, Chief Product Officer at Renaissance</cite></blockquote></figure>



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<li><strong>Wrapper</strong> — a tool built on top of someone else’s large language model rather than its own. Todd’s words in this episode: some AI apps are “built on the wrappers of ChatGPT.” It’s a fair question to ask any vendor — is this your model, or a wrapper around someone else’s?</li>



<li><strong>Teacher-facing AI</strong> — AI that is for the teacher to use. It reads the student data, suggests the groupings, drafts the materials. The teacher may use it to create personalized content for students, but the generative AI use is with the teacher.</li>



<li><strong>Student-facing AI</strong> — AI that works directly with the student. When students are using AI, guardrails become especially important to keep students safe, as does monitoring. Additionally, often when used for tutoring, AI can give students the answer without respecting the productive struggle required to learn.<br /><em><br />None of these three are in my AI vocabulary list yet. I will add them as soon as I hit publish on this post. You can grab the whole list in <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zq6EQOwaqLglcxL8mxs_npLg1E2KbROztWX2yijsxqM/edit?usp=sharing">my AI Vocabulary List</a>, and let students review the terms with <a href="https://spy-the-ai-game-coolcatteacher.netlify.app/">Spy the AI</a> (a free AI vocabulary game I vibe-coded from that same list.)</em></li>
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<li><strong>Personalized Teaching AND Learning. </strong>Todd made the point that we should say &#8220;personalized teaching and learning&#8221; instead of &#8220;personalized learning.&#8221; I think this is important as well. He mentioned that &#8220;personalized learning&#8221; might imply a kid alone with a device. That is precisely what we know DID NOT WORK during the pandemic, right? So, instead, he suggests we think about ourselves as teachers managing our classroom, personalizing teaching (and thus learning) with better information from the tools we&#8217;re already using.</li>



<li><strong>Moving from isolation to connection. </strong>The isolating impact of sending a kid back to the room with headphones. Now, I haven&#8217;t done this in my classroom, but I don&#8217;t teach math or reading, where we often turn to tools and send a student alone to &#8220;catch up&#8221; on where they are struggling. This not only has a stigma, but if that child is struggling, I would argue the child needs more attention, not less. I really think our tools need to be different than &#8211; hey, go &#8220;play a game&#8221; that isn&#8217;t really fun and may or may not be teaching &#8211; but really should be embedded in what we do every day. </li>



<li><strong>Data in the moment. </strong>We talk about data driven instruction but so often the data is delayed and then it is too late to do anything about it. I know in online adult education we&#8217;ve often talked about Just in Time learning &#8211;  learning in the moment when we need it. But in keeping what we discussed, I would argue we need &#8220;Just in Time teaching&#8221; to happen. That moment is when we know there is an issue not months later when the student may or may not need it. </li>



<li><strong>Not shipping.</strong> I thought it was great that they decided not to ship something. The biggest issue with student-facing AI today is that it interrupts productive struggle by giving answers too fast. I do, however, think that teacher-facing AI is a great way for companies to go and I hope more are doing this instead of rushing to invent the next tutor. We need to support teachers and support learning, not make it harder to learn and easier to cheat yourself out of an education by interrupting productive struggle. Fast answers to problems are not the answer for actually teaching children.</li>
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<p class="cct-activity wp-block-paragraph">After listening to the episode, discuss how long it takes from data to reteaching for one lesson. Look at the lesson, the assessment data you&#8217;re gathering, and how long it takes to reteach and help students with that content from when you collect the data to when you reteach.<br /><br />To go deeper: <a href="https://videos.renaissance.com/watch/CR9wkmNN2m1dYk6dSZ3LRV">watch the &#8220;Discover Renaissance Intelligence&#8221; webinar</a> — Todd Brekhus walks through the thinking with Chris Bauleke and Dr. Gene Kerns. Then <a href="https://www.renaissance.com/lp/request-a-demo/?formId=1770">request a demo</a> and ask them to show you the prerequisite-skills view Todd describes at 13:20 in this episode. That was impressive to me at ISTE.</p>



<h2 id="h-resources-mentioned-in-this-episode" class="wp-block-heading">Resources Mentioned in This Episode</h2>



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<li><a href="https://www.renaissance.com/renaissance-intelligence/">Renaissance Intelligence</a> — the connected system Todd describes, unifying assessment, instruction, practice, and curriculum. Generally available July 1, 2026.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.renaissance.com/lp/request-a-demo/?formId=1770">Request a Renaissance Intelligence demo</a> — see the prerequisite-skills and grouping views Todd walks through in this episode.</li>



<li><a href="https://videos.renaissance.com/watch/CR9wkmNN2m1dYk6dSZ3LRV">Webinar: Discover Renaissance Intelligence</a> — free. Todd Brekhus, Chris Bauleke, and Dr. Gene Kerns on the vision and research behind the system.</li>



<li><a href="https://renaissance.widen.net/s/rjbffmsfpz/renaissance-ai-edtech-in-the-age-of-intelligence-whitepaper">Where AI Meets Learning Science</a> — free whitepaper (PDF) on connecting AI with learning science while keeping teachers at the center.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.renaissance.com/blog/solving-educations-coherence-problem-insights-for-school-and-district-leaders/">Solving Education&#8217;s Coherence Problem</a> — the coherence argument Todd makes in this episode, written out for school and district leaders.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.renaissance.com/resources/what-kids-are-reading/">What Kids Are Reading</a> — free annual report on what students are actually reading, by grade.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.renaissance.com/resources/focus-skills/">Focus Skills</a> — free tool identifying the highest-leverage skills at each grade level. Also in <a href="https://www.renaissance.com/resources/focus-skills-spanish/">Spanish</a>.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.arbookfind.com/">AR BookFinder</a> — free, no login. Look up book levels and quiz availability.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.renaissance.com/resources/webinars/">Renaissance webinar library</a> — free, on-demand.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.renaissance.com/renaissance-ai-for-education/">Renaissance&#8217;s published AI approach</a> — how they say they use de-identified data and exclude protected characteristics. Worth reading before you evaluate any vendor&#8217;s AI claims.</li>



<li><a href="https://nearpod.com/">Nearpod</a> — the formative-assessment platform Vicki uses for a check every six to eight minutes in AP Computer Science Principles.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.ccsso.org/">Council of Chief State School Officers</a> — the coherence push Todd credits for shaping how Renaissance connected core to supplemental.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/brekhus/">Todd Brekhus on LinkedIn</a></li>
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<h2 id="h-about-todd-brekhus" class="wp-block-heading">About Todd Brekhus</h2>


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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/brekhus/">Todd Brekhus</a> is chief product officer at Renaissance. A former educator, he is the creator of multiple education technology solutions, including the myON digital literacy platform. He is the recipient of the SIIA CODiE Award for Lifetime Achievement and many other accolades in recognition of his contributions to the field of education technology.</p>



<p class="cct-activity wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Thought Leader Thursday questions for your next team meeting:</strong><br /><br />1. Todd distinguishes &#8220;personalized learning&#8221; from &#8220;personalized <em>teaching</em> and learning.&#8221; Which one does our current practice actually look like — and who decides what a student works on next?<br />2. When we pull a student for intervention, what does the rest of the room learn about that student? Do we believe that the student is improving or not? What do we think is happening in our room and our school with what we&#8217;re doing right now in this? Does something need to change?<br />3. Renaissance chose <em>not</em> to build student-facing AI because productive struggle matters. Where in our own AI use are we removing struggle we should be protecting? Do we talk to students about productive struggle?<br />4. Todd says teachers are always agile. What in our current system forces a teacher to be <em>rigid</em> when their judgment says otherwise?<br />5. If a tool told you exactly which twelve students needed a prerequisite skill tomorrow, would your schedule actually let you act on it?</p>



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<li>Todd was featured in part three of our ISTE AI and Edtech Supershow titled &#8220;AI with Intention&#8221; with Tony Frontier and Jeremy Owoh that is airing on more than 26 stations around the world. You can listen to the extended interview and the opinions of all the guests on that show in <a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/ai-with-intention-expert-opinions-iste2026/">AI with Intention Season 7, Episode 2</a> of Cool Cat Teacher Talk.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/iste2026/">Everything from ISTE 2026</a> — the full hub of episodes, interviews, and takeaways from the conference.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/ai-with-intention-expert-opinions-iste2026/">AI With Intention: Expert Opinions from ISTE 2026</a></li>
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<p><em>This transcript was generated using AI and has been reviewed by humans for accuracy. Minor errors or artifacts may remain but I worked my best to find any issues with the transcript as I reviewed the show. &#8211; Vicki</em></p>

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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (00:00):</strong> How to keep the teacher at the center of classroom AI. This is episode 968 for your Thought Leader Thursday.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Announcer (00:09):</strong> This is the 10-Minute Teacher Podcast with your host, Vicki Davis.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (00:14):</strong> Today&#8217;s show is sponsored by Renaissance. Renaissance Intelligence connects the loop across assessment, curriculum, instruction, practice, and proficiency, so educators can act on student needs in real time. Learn more at renaissance.com forward slash intelligence. Our guest today, Todd Brekhus, has spent over 25 years building the technology our students learn with. And like me, he got his start back in the 1990s helping people figure out this brand new thing called the Internet. Todd Brekhus is the chief product officer at Renaissance and general manager of Nearpod. He&#8217;s a former English teacher, technology director, and the creator of the myON literacy platform. So Renaissance is launching something called Renaissance Intelligence, and we&#8217;re sitting down at ISTE 2026 to talk about purposeful AI, technology that brings a fragmented classroom back together and keeps us as the teacher right at the center. So welcome to the show.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (01:12):</strong> Well, thank you so much. It&#8217;s great to be here.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (01:14):</strong> So we both got our start in the 1990s.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (01:18):</strong> Oh, we&#8217;re going to start there.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (01:19):</strong> I know. Teaching people how to use the Internet.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (01:21):</strong> Isn&#8217;t it funny now?</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (01:22):</strong> It is. But, you know, there are some similarities because we&#8217;ve lived through Web 1, Web 2, now the AI age. Do you see any similarities from when you started teaching the Internet and what&#8217;s happening now with artificial intelligence?</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (01:35):</strong> Yes, for sure. And especially in education technology, one is fear, uncertainty. Do I have to throw out everything I learned about teaching to do this? And a lot of technology coming at us at once. So I would say a lot of apps, a lot of things. And in that time, I&#8217;d been teaching for eight years and I&#8217;m now out in the field and I&#8217;m building for MCI and Vint Cerf, TCP/IP protocol. Yeah, I got to run around the country with him for a while in the world. But building a teacher training program that all teachers were able to use at their state level was called Marco Polo, then became Thinkfinity. And that program launched to many, many teachers. But I remember the first worries we had about putting our credit cards on the Internet. That was the fear part of it. Am I going to transact business here? How do I think differently? And then we all watched the Pets.com Super Bowl and the crash and, you know, the dot-com era. But at the same time, I think education was struggling with, oh, wait, how do we put this?</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (02:27):</strong> How do we teach?</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (02:28):</strong> Cool.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (02:28):</strong> How do we teach this? I remember everybody saying teaching is over. We&#8217;re done. Yeah, the Internet&#8217;s going to teach. Yeah. Or YouTube&#8217;s going to teach them. Yeah. How did that work?</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (02:34):</strong> Yeah, and I think the AI similarities are, we have fear right now. Are the bots taking over? I mean, is the robot replacing my job? And clearly that&#8217;s silly. And I think we all think education is so human, so fundamentally human. There&#8217;s some things that will last that will impact teaching and learning in a very positive way. And there&#8217;s a lot of noise. And there&#8217;s a lot of chaos. And there&#8217;s a lot of disruption. And there&#8217;s a lot of uncertainty.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (02:54):</strong> Well, and as us teachers do, because I feel like once you&#8217;re a teacher, you&#8217;re always a teacher. It goes wild west. And then we kind of come in and civilize it. There&#8217;s a lot of conversations about, okay, now, lovely tool. But how do we use it with kids?</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (03:09):</strong> What happens Wednesday morning, right?</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (03:10):</strong> So I will say this is all the conversation about, okay, take away their screens. And I will admit, because I&#8217;ve been using Nearpod since like the beginning. Okay. I love Nearpod. I teach AP computer science principles and I couldn&#8217;t live without it because my goal is every six to eight minutes, I&#8217;m going to be doing a formative check. And it has to, I can&#8217;t like leave my slides and come back to it or whatever. And so time to climb or whatever the tool is, is just part of what we do, even with my seniors. So when people say no screens, I&#8217;m like, no, but I use them. Like I use them. So how do we get to, there&#8217;s a lot of talk here at ISTE 2026 about meaningful use of the screen. Yeah. And so what&#8217;s your philosophy on that? Because we&#8217;re going to get into really cool what your product is doing.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (03:56):</strong> Yeah, well, I think it probably goes back to myON. And in 2009, the iPad hadn&#8217;t released yet. And I was hired by a publishing company, Capstone Publishers. And they said, look, we really want to go digital with our products. So we created this amazingly large, it&#8217;s now 17,000 books in a digital platform, all interactive. And I think the difference was, it wasn&#8217;t just that it went to a screen, but that it went to the screen meaningfully in terms of how do you interact with a book as a student? And one, can I have every version of that book myself? Can I write on the book? Can I interact with the book? Can I clip pieces and parts out of it so I can use it in a citation? Can I connect it to my notes and my learning? And so what we were trying to do there is actually, wait, when you go to the library, when I took my kids to the library as an English teacher, they get two books. And the kids that didn&#8217;t check their book back in, they don&#8217;t get any books.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (04:48):</strong> That&#8217;s right.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (04:48):</strong> So there was this balance between why are we shielding all this content in the library? How can we make it unlimited and create a better, more efficacious environment for the classroom teacher to use any book you want? So I remember when I was myself, I wanted to do a book report on Muhammad Ali, but I got Amelia Earhart. Now, I love Amelia Earhart. Really cool, really interesting story, but I like sports, Muhammad Ali. And anyway, the point being is, what about kids&#8217; choice? What if you give unlimited access to books? What if you&#8217;re not worried about the check-in, check-out, and how do you change and build that model? So that&#8217;s just a point of the screen was the ability for us to get this unlimited access. And I think that&#8217;s true with Nearpod. You have this unlimited access to connected teaching and learning, and how do you build that rapport and that connection, and how do you get that 100% pass rate if you don&#8217;t have those capabilities? Now, flip side of this, I think there&#8217;s a lot of screen time. This is not great screen time. And we&#8217;ve forced screen time to an effort that hasn&#8217;t shown the efficacy necessary. That&#8217;s right. So how do we choose the right models and the right pedagogy and the right instructional design approach for when the screen actually has advantages over the physical print? And I think the case of my example with myON or the case of your example with Nearpod are examples like that. I think we&#8217;re going to find the same thing with AI and teaching and learning with the new tech.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (06:07):</strong> So I spent time at your booth yesterday with your amazing folks there. And so many teachers work for you, which is refreshing as a teacher. So Renaissance Intelligence kicks off July 1st, 2026. Let&#8217;s dig into this screen time piece because it was really something I had never seen before because you&#8217;ve got textbooks in there. We do. And then the teacher can drill down into the textbook and then they see where are my students according to the standards. And then they&#8217;re able to like say, okay, you get some of this and you get some of this and everybody gets some of that. Like I&#8217;ve oversimplified and you know it. So what&#8217;s your vision behind how you&#8217;re going to bring AI to the classroom through this new product?</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (06:46):</strong> I think, first of all, let me just connect the dots on the screen time piece to the Renaissance Intelligence Launch. What Renaissance Intelligence Launch does for Renaissance is we unify all of our products. We have 20 applications now getting embedded into one singular experience. And in addition to that, as you mentioned, the textbooks, we took to heart what the Council of Chief State School Officers said and encouraged the industry to get to coherence. Where the high-quality instructional material with your textbook would relate to your supplemental, would relate to your assessments, and would provide a more dynamic teaching and learning process. So we took that to heart, and that piece was strong for us in building a coherent connection between the assessment data, the core, and all of our supplemental resources. So now we can create a deep and integrated alignment structure where we can match that student&#8217;s information, their data, to maybe a prerequisite skill that came from their textbook or a supplemental tool that we We could give them like a Nearpod lesson, or another print activity that they might need to go do and deep dive in with a specialist. So the benefit is this operating system model. And I think what it&#8217;s going to do is remove what we&#8217;ve had about 25 years in ed tech is go to the back of the room, put the headphones on and do your stuff and spend 90 minutes on that or 45 minutes and then come back to the classroom. Well, that&#8217;s disconnected from the core. That&#8217;s disconnected from the high quality instructional process that teachers built. And it almost is this disruption. And it&#8217;s kind of the computer lab model that we all taught in for a while.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (08:14):</strong> And you&#8217;re almost pulling them out of the classroom.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (08:15):</strong> Right. And it&#8217;s like, wait, let&#8217;s stick with the standards. Let&#8217;s stick within the flow of the textbook. So really, how do we just bring this closer and closer together? And I think your screen time conversation is going to start to go down because you are the teacher in charge of this classroom. And you know best how these kids learn, and you now have the data and the tools to adapt this learning automatically.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (08:37):</strong> Here&#8217;s what I love about doing it inside a tool like this. This student might need this and that. That when you took the headphones and you put the kid in the back, everybody knew that kid needed something extra. Yeah. And it was very isolating. That&#8217;s right.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (08:50):</strong> And very, oh, you. There&#8217;s a stigma. Yeah.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (08:52):</strong> But when you&#8217;re doing it a true personalized way, which has always been hard, it&#8217;s always been a lot of work. And that&#8217;s what I like about the product that I saw.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (09:00):</strong> So, Vicki, just to interrupt you for a second, I&#8217;m saying the word personalized teaching and learning. Just personalized learning. Because personalized learning is like, okay, go to the back of the room and do your thing. Right. And then come back with the rest of the class. But if I&#8217;m a teacher and I have these kind of Ironman-like tools and I can see and hear and understand and have data, have information, that would be great to adapt to the learning.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (09:21):</strong> Oh, so let&#8217;s talk about personalized teaching and learning. Because you&#8217;re saying personalized teaching and learning is important.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (09:29):</strong> Yeah, I think I&#8217;m making maybe an important point to put the teaching back into personalized learning. I mean, we&#8217;ve been here at ST for 15, 10 maybe years, talking about blended learning, personalized learning. I think what we thought of then was, oh, this is going to be dynamic. Every student gets their own lesson and every student&#8217;s individual. But unfortunately, I think What the data shows is sometimes kids are off on their own.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (09:49):</strong> And they get off track.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (09:51):</strong> They get off track.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (09:52):</strong> Yeah. I mean, if kids sitting at a computer worked, then we would have had the best learning gains ever during the pandemic.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (09:58):</strong> Yeah, we did. But we didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (09:59):</strong> We had some of the biggest losses ever. So we know that the teacher needs to be involved.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (10:03):</strong> Yeah, I think you&#8217;re a real proponent of Nearpod. What we&#8217;ve learned from watching and by bringing Nearpod into the center, we&#8217;ve watched this amazing environment be this collaborative nature of teaching and learning. Of independent, formative, go work on some things, connect this together. We&#8217;re going to jigsaw this. We&#8217;re going to collaborate. And that&#8217;s a richer environment for ed tech and where it, I think, has its benefits in an AI-driven model because now the teacher has adaptation to that lesson for everyone and customized to their individual needs. Now, the difference that we&#8217;re building with Renaissance Intelligence, if I could be so bold to say, is we&#8217;re providing your assessment data in the mix. There are a lot of magical apps out there today that are doing AI, and I respect them. I think that&#8217;s amazing. They built them on the wrappers of ChatGPT and other things. What we&#8217;re doing quite a bit different than those apps are we&#8217;re first bringing the students data, informing the teacher about what&#8217;s working, connecting it back to their core, and then providing the AI recommendations for that teacher to adjust the teaching and learning. And so that&#8217;s what I mean by.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (11:05):</strong> Personalized teaching and learning. And not losing anything, because my big question I had to ask privately, I&#8217;ll admit it, is, does Nearpod go away?</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (11:10):</strong> Anything, we&#8217;re going to increase the focus on Nearpod for the students and schools that are using it independently. But we believe in it so much that we brought it into the entire product. So every product interacts around Nearpod now. So imagine having that digital library where you have Nearpod and you have your assessment data with Nearpod and you have personalized teaching opportunities with our applications like Freckle and myON and Accelerated Reader. This becomes a rich, dynamic environment for AI and for Nearpod.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (11:39):</strong> So can people demo it?</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (11:41):</strong> Yeah, 100%. Well, you saw one of our folks demo it, but can customers pilot it? Yes. As of July 1st, we probably already have about 400 districts or we&#8217;ll be starting in July.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (11:52):</strong> Yeah, that&#8217;s wonderful. So what are your thoughts about purposeful AI with teachers at the center? Because you keep talking teachers and it sounds like your team won&#8217;t let you get away from teachers because you aren&#8217;t.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (12:04):</strong> Well, this whole launch has been about the teacher. So we experimented with some student side of the apps and we decided it wasn&#8217;t time to build an AI driven student model. And we just felt the AI tries to get to an answer too quickly. And that struggle for learning, that curiosity, that peer productive struggle, that curiosity, that giving a student a sense of getting to their knowledge of information and synthesizing it themselves before they&#8217;re sick in the box. At this, we thought was more important. And so we pushed that development to the future and we zeroed in on the teacher in the classroom. What we found is that the teachers were saying, we want to be closer to our core. We want to deliver our core with efficacy and we want to use our STAR or FastBridge data to influence that. And then we want to use Nearpod and our practice applications to embed that instruction along the way at different levels for different learners.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (12:59):</strong> Silos have been the problem for so long. And so you&#8217;re kind of getting rid of those silos are not</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (13:04):</strong> Only that but we&#8217;re bringing others into our into our world so we&#8217;re creating more of an open environment for publishing and teaching and.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (13:11):</strong> Learning how do you if you went back to your english classroom today and you were using renaissance intelligence what&#8217;s the first way you would use it</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (13:20):</strong> Let me see my students in light of the assessment data that I know about them. Let me see last year&#8217;s test scores. Let me understand the granularity of what skills they might miss. Because I don&#8217;t want to just teach a lesson because I&#8217;m told to teach a lesson. I want to teach a lesson because these students will accelerate their learning. And so if I know that 12 of these students already have this information, I want to challenge them with tomorrow&#8217;s lesson and give them a hint of what&#8217;s come or put a bit deeper thinking process together and let me hone in on these other 12 students who may not have that. Background and I can adapt my teaching and learning. I can maybe center that, move to between my two centers. I might be able to adapt the specific prerequisite skills and give you some remedial tools to get some tips. I would adapt my learning much more than open up to, oh, it&#8217;s Monday, I&#8217;m doing this lesson. It&#8217;s third period, I&#8217;m doing this thing. No, let me be a little more agile. And so I think the word, that there&#8217;s two words that come out of this experience. Coherence. It connects together. It makes sense. I can unify around my standards or my textbook. And the second word is agility. I can be agile. And teachers are always agile. They have to. You&#8217;ve got somebody freaking out over here. You&#8217;ve got somebody who won&#8217;t do a thing for you over here. You&#8217;ve got a bunch of kids fighting over here. And, you know, that&#8217;s our classroom management techniques. But agility of instruction is different than one size fits all instruction. We&#8217;re going to give it to you. But I think we&#8217;ve misinterpreted as ed tech to go, oh, if it&#8217;s not one size fits all, that means it&#8217;s on a computer given to themselves. Well, how about the teachers differentiating in the moment?</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (14:53):</strong> That&#8217;s right.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (14:53):</strong> And that&#8217;s, I think, where the power of the human and the AI and the data come together.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (14:58):</strong> So, Todd, as we finish up, what is your dream for this product?</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (15:03):</strong> Well, gosh, I mean, my dream for this product is that the students in Georgia, South Georgia, where you live, will read on grade level, will grow faster and accelerate their learning and their math skills. And we will start to see confidence in teachers and more smiles and more happiness in the classrooms because people are feeling success and they know it&#8217;s the impact that they&#8217;re making on students. Because when you see impact, you feel like you love your job. You feel like you can do your job better. Well, at the end of the day, let&#8217;s see learning get accelerated.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (15:34):</strong> We&#8217;ve been talking to Todd Brekhus, Chief Product Officer at Renaissance and General Manager of Nearpod. And you can tell that he is a former English teacher, still has that teaching part. I love these applications that artificial intelligence is finally coming into the tools we&#8217;ve been using for a long time, making them more useful in safe places and helping us teachers, which I appreciate. Thanks for coming on the show.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Todd Brekhus (16:00):</strong> Appreciate it. Thank you very much.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis (16:01):</strong> Thank you to Renaissance for sponsoring today&#8217;s show. Renaissance is proud to introduce Renaissance Intelligence, a connected system that unifies assessment, instruction, practice, curriculum, and trustworthy AI. It&#8217;s built on 40 years of learning science and educator expertise. It keeps teachers at the center of instruction and is designed for how our K-12 classrooms actually work. Learn more at renaissance.com forward slash intelligence. Thanks for tuning in to the 10-Minute Teacher Podcast. Watch the video version of this podcast and catch my new radio and TV show, Cool Cat Teacher Talk, on YouTube and a radio or TV station near you. Join my Cool Cat Teacher Classroom Matters newsletter at coolcatteacher.com forward slash newsletter. Leave a review if you found this helpful. See you later, educator.</p>
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<p>Dr. Nneka McGee says that quantum computing today is where AI was nine years ago. So, she's learned how to teach superposition and entanglement to five-year-olds with a penny and a paper plate. (No computer, just concepts.) She also shares why waiting for the breakthrough means waiting too long. </p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/how-to-teach-quantum-physics-to-littles-and-older-students-too/" title="How to Teach Quantum Physics to Littles (and Older Students Too)" rel="nofollow"><img width="1024" height="551" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/nneka-mcgee-967-blogpost-1024x551.png" class="webfeedsFeaturedVisual wp-post-image" alt="" style="display: block; margin: auto; margin-bottom: 5px;max-width: 100%;" link_thumbnail="1" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/nneka-mcgee-967-blogpost-1024x551.png 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/nneka-mcgee-967-blogpost-300x162.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/nneka-mcgee-967-blogpost-768x414.png 768w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/nneka-mcgee-967-blogpost-585x315.png 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/nneka-mcgee-967-blogpost.png 1170w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a><p>From the Cool Cat Teacher Blog by Vicki Davis <P>Subscribe to the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast and Cool Cat Teacher Talk anywhere you listen to podcasts.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Quantum mechanics for littles. Yes, you heard that right. Littles. Yes. Littles. Just two weeks ago we talked about space with Mark Wagner and what we can be teaching about it. Now, we&#8217;re talking quantum physics. Nneka McGee specializes in how to teach concepts relating to quantum mechanics to littles. No, she&#8217;s not teaching algebra and advanced mathematics, but an understanding that is needed to move forward, yes.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This doesn&#8217;t mean we stop teaching reading or writing or math. And you don&#8217;t even need screens to teach this. Quite the opposite. You can use these concepts to promote conversation about future trends without a screen at all. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In today&#8217;s show, Nneka will share examples of why quantum physics is important to all of us, the future of passwords, and security and some practical ideas we can use now. I&#8217;ll be sharing lots of resources in these show notes so that you can bring some mini lessons to your classroom. Let&#8217;s learn about quantum physics and how we can bring it into schools.</p>



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  <p style="margin:0;font-size:19px;line-height:1.55;color:#ffffff;font-style:italic;">&ldquo;There will be a breakthrough technology like ChatGPT or generative AI in quantum at some point. And where will we be as educators if we didn&rsquo;t do what was necessary to help prepare our kids for that eventuality?&rdquo;</p>
  <p style="margin:12px 0 0;font-size:16px;line-height:1.4;color:#ffba08;font-weight:700;">Dr. Nneka McGee</p>
  <p style="margin:2px 0 0;font-size:14px;line-height:1.4;color:#ffffff;">Founder, Muon Global</p>
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  <p style="margin:0;font-size:16px;line-height:1.6;color:#03256c;">Give every student a penny. Have them spin it and slap a hand over it before it lands. While it is spinning and hidden, it is not heads and it is not tails — it is both, and it is neither. That is superposition. Lift the hand and it collapses to one answer. Then ask the question that does the real teaching: what did we lose the instant we looked?</p><p>If this doesn&#8217;t make sense, look at some of the lessons below to go deeper.
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<h2>Resources Mentioned in This Episode</h2>

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<li><a href="https://muonglobal.com/founders-space">Muon Global</a> — Dr. McGee&#8217;s advisory firm, focused on emerging technology and access in education.</li>

<li><a href="https://my.iste-ascd.org/s/store#/store/browse/detail/a1wVb000000kaoTIAQ"><em>AI for Young Learners: Balancing Tech Use with Authentic, Off-Screen Experiences</em></a> — Dr. McGee&#8217;s Jump Start Guide from ISTE (January 2026). This is the &#8220;AI for littles&#8221; work she describes in the show.</li>

<li><a href="https://acceleratelearning.stanford.edu/app/uploads/2025/07/AI-Learning-Differences-Designing-a-Future-with-No-Boundaries_Final.pdf"><em>AI + Learning Differences: Designing a Future with No Boundaries</em></a> — the Stanford Accelerator for Learning white paper, released July 21, 2025. Dr. McGee was project lead and a principal co-author, alongside Elizabeth Kozleski, Christopher J. Lemons, and Isabelle C. Hau. Free PDF.</li>

<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Love-Learn-Transformative-Connection-Education/dp/1541703774?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Love to Learn: The Transformative Power of Care and Connection in Early Education</em></a> by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/isabelle-hau-a57175/">Isabelle C. Hau</a> (PublicAffairs, 2025) — the book Nneka recommends for the early-childhood foundation. Isabelle is executive director of the Stanford Accelerator for Learning and a co-author on Nneka&#8217;s white paper above, so that one link is doing three jobs.</li>

<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Computing-Babies-Baby-University/dp/1492671185?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Quantum Computing for Babies</em></a> by Chris Ferrie and whurley (William Hurley) — part of the Baby University board-book series. Ages 0–4, and yes, it is real.</li>

<li><a href="https://q12education.org/">National Q-12 Education Partnership</a> — this is the federal quantum education site Nneka mentions. It was launched in August 2020 by the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy and the National Science Foundation, so it is further along than she recalls on tape. Everything on it is free.</li>

<li><a href="https://q12education.org/learning-materials/quantime">QuanTime</a> — free K-12 quantum activities from Q-12, each designed to fit in a single 45–60 minute class period. Hands-on, online, and printable options. No background in quantum required.</li>

<li><a href="https://q12education.org/learning-materials/learning-materials-framework">QISE K-12 Framework</a> — the federal Key Concepts for Future Quantum Information Science Learners. Superposition, entanglement, and coherence — the three terms Nneka teaches — map almost exactly onto it.</li>

<li><a href="https://www.sandia.gov/quantum/qcamp/">QCaMP</a> (Quantum Computing, Mathematics and Physics) — the program Nneka calls out, co-founded in 2022 at Sandia National Laboratories by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/megan-ivory/">Megan Ivory</a> and Jake Douglass. Teachers are paid a $1,000 stipend for the week. Students get $250.</li>

<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nnekamcgee/">Dr. Nneka McGee on LinkedIn</a></li>
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<h3>Fact Check Notes</h3>
<p><em>A note on two numbers from the conversation.</em> Nneka cites brain development as &#8220;about 80% before kindergarten&#8221; and hedges it herself on tape — the figure researchers actually report is roughly 90% of adult brain <em>volume</em> by age five, which measures physical growth rather than learning capacity. Her underlying point stands either way. She also credits New York with &#8220;over $100 million&#8221; in quantum investment; the real commitment is <a href="https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-hochul-announces-300-million-investment-suny-stony-brooks-quantum-research-and">$300 million to a quantum hub at Stony Brook</a>, announced September 17, 2025, plus $60 million more for additional sites. She understated it.</p>

<p><em>And a word for my ninth grader.</em> What she described on that presentation — attackers capturing encrypted traffic today so they can decrypt it years from now once quantum computers arrive — is a real, named threat. It&#8217;s called <strong>harvest-now-decrypt-later</strong>, and NSA, CISA, and NIST all treat it as active. NIST finalized the first post-quantum cryptography standards on August 13, 2024, specifically because of it. She was right.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">About Dr. Nneka McGee</h2>


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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Dr. Nneka J. McGee is an educator, researcher, and advocate dedicated to providing access and opportunities for learners exploring emerging technologies. As part of her doctoral studies, she researched the experiences of K-12 teachers implementing or planning to implement artificial intelligence in classroom learning environments. Since 2024, she has presented &#8220;AI for Littles,&#8221; focused on early childhood and elementary learners, to thousands of educators, providing practical strategies to introduce AI in age-appropriate, engaging ways. Dr. McGee recently served as project lead and principal co-author of the Stanford Accelerator for Learning white paper, &#8220;AI + Learning Differences: Designing a Future with No Boundaries.&#8221; She has served on multiple AI advisory boards and committees, including National AI Literacy Day, EngageAI Institute, and Foundations, Inc. She was named a 2024 K-12 IT Influencer to Follow by EdTech Magazine and was recognized as a 2024 and 2025 ASU+GSV Woman Leading in AI. Before founding her advisory firm, Muon Global, Dr. McGee taught middle school mathematics and served as chief academic officer at a public school district in south Texas.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Connect:</strong> <a href="https://muonglobal.com/founders-space">muonglobal.com</a> · <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nnekamcgee/">LinkedIn</a></p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Quantum and AI Resources for Teachers and Administrators</h2>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You do not need a physics degree to do any of this. You need a penny, a paper plate, and about fifteen minutes. Everything linked below is free. Use school-approved tools for anything that touches a device.</p>
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<h3 class="wp-block-heading">UNPLUGGED ACTIVITY 1: The Penny (Superposition)</h3>



<p class="cct-target wp-block-paragraph">Lesson plans for grades K-12 teachers</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">One class period. Materials: one penny per student.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Spin the penny. Cover it before it lands. While it is spinning and hidden, it is not heads and it is not tails — it is both at once. That is superposition. Uncover it and it collapses into one answer.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For littles, stop there. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">For middle and high school, push on the part that matters: a classical bit is only ever a 0 or a 1. A qubit holds both possibilities until you measure it — and the measurement is what forces the choice. Ask them what information disappeared the moment they looked.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Nneka is careful about this and so am I: the penny is a representation, not a qubit. It is an access point for someone who thinks this topic is closed to them. Say that out loud to your students.</p>
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<h3 class="wp-block-heading">UNPLUGGED ACTIVITY 2: The Plate With No Nose (Human in the Loop)</h3>



<p class="cct-target wp-block-paragraph">Grades K–5, adaptable up. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">One class period. Materials: paper plates, markers, one image generator on the teacher&#8217;s screen only.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Ask an image generator for a smiley face on a plate. Show the class what comes back. When it gets something wrong — a missing nose, three eyes, a mouth in the wrong place — that is your lesson, not your failure.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Then hand out the plates. Every student draws the correct one. The takeaway lands by itself: the tool is useful, the tool is wrong sometimes, and a person has to check it.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>What she did:</strong> Nneka built this out of an actual mistake she made while preparing a session. She kept the mistake and built the lesson around it. That is worth modeling for your students too.</p>
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<h3 class="wp-block-heading">TERMS TO KNOW</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The terms in the show also line up with the <a href="https://q12education.org/learning-materials/learning-materials-framework">QISE K-12 Framework</a>.</p>



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<li><strong>Superposition</strong> — a qubit holds more than one state at the same time until it is measured. The spinning penny.</li>



<li><strong>Entanglement</strong> — two qubits become linked, so measuring one tells you about the other no matter how far apart they are. Two coins that always agree.</li>



<li><strong>Coherence</strong> — how long a qubit can hold its quantum state before the environment knocks it out. The reason quantum computers are hard to build, in one word.</li>



<li><strong>Qubit</strong> — the quantum version of a bit. A bit is a 0 or a 1. A qubit is both until you look.</li>



<li><strong>Post-quantum cryptography (PQC)</strong> — new encryption designed to survive quantum computers. NIST finalized the first standards in August 2024.</li>



<li><strong>Harvest-now-decrypt-later</strong> — capturing encrypted data today to crack it years from now. The thing my ninth grader figured out.</li>
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<p class="cct-try wp-block-paragraph">For AI vocabulary, here is my full <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zq6EQOwaqLglcxL8mxs_npLg1E2KbROztWX2yijsxqM/edit?usp=sharing">AI Vocab list</a>, and my <a href="https://spy-the-ai-game-coolcatteacher.netlify.app/">Spy the AI game</a> for practicing vocabulary.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading">MORE Free Resources on Quantum for K-12</h3>



<h5 class="wp-block-heading">Ready to teach tomorrow</h5>



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<li><a href="https://q12education.org/learning-materials/quantime">QuanTime activities</a> — free, 45–60 minutes each, built for one class period. Hands-on, online, and printable versions. No teacher expertise required.</li>



<li><a href="https://q12education.org/learning-materials">Q-12 Teaching and Learning Resources</a> — the full free library.</li>
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<h5 class="wp-block-heading">Go deeper</h5>



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<li><a href="https://q12education.org/learning-materials/learning-materials-framework">QISE K-12 Framework</a> — what students should actually understand, by grade band.</li>



<li><a href="https://acceleratelearning.stanford.edu/app/uploads/2025/07/AI-Learning-Differences-Designing-a-Future-with-No-Boundaries_Final.pdf">AI + Learning Differences (Stanford, 2025)</a> — twelve recommendations, co-designed with people who have learning differences.</li>
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<h5 class="wp-block-heading">For your summer, and paid</h5>



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<li><a href="https://www.sandia.gov/quantum/qcamp/">QCaMP</a> — three-day teacher camp, $1,000 stipend, travel funds available if you are more than 50 miles out. Nneka is right that this matters: it means you do not have to choose between a summer job and learning this.</li>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Other Shows for K-12 Teachers Teaching STEM and AI</h2>



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<li><a href="[‹‹CONFIRM URL››]">Cool Cat Teacher Talk, Season 6 Episode 3</a> — Dr. McGee&#8217;s full conversation aired as part of this hour-long show.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e966">Episode 966: Vibe Coding with Gemini for Teachers</a> with Alice Keeler — building your own classroom AI tools and keeping student data in your own Drive.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e954">Episode 954: How to Teach About Space in the Classroom</a> with Mark Wagner — the space episode I mention at the top of this post.</li>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Listen and Subscribe</h2>



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<li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/10-minute-teacher-podcast-with-cool-cat-teacher/id1201263130">Apple Podcasts</a></li>



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<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/category/podcast/">All 10 Minute Teacher Episodes</a></li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If a teacher in your building has ever said quantum is over their head, send them this one — it takes a penny to prove otherwise.</p>



<h2 id="h-episode-transcript" class="wp-block-heading">Episode Transcript</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This transcript was generated using AI and has been reviewed by humans for accuracy. Minor errors or artifacts may remain but I worked my best to find any issues with the transcript as I reviewed the show. – Vicki</em><br />Click to read the full transcript</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> How to Teach Quantum Physics to Littles and Older Students, too, with Dr. Nneka McGee. You can grab a single penny and teach superposition.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Announcer:</strong> This is the 10-Minute Teacher Podcast with your host, Vicki Davis.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> Today, we&#8217;re talking with Dr. Nneka McGee, founder of Muon Global and one of the most fascinating voices in both AI education and quantum computing for kids. She led a Stanford white paper on AI and learning differences, wrote an ISTE guide for AI for littles, and her FETC session on Quantum 101 for educators blew my mind. So I had to get her on the show. Whether you&#8217;re teaching kindergarten or high school, you&#8217;re going to want to hear what Nneka has to say about preparing students for an AI and a quantum world.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So, Nneka, thanks for agreeing after our session to come on the show today.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Nneka McGee:</strong> Thank you for having me, Vicki. I&#8217;m excited to be here and excited to talk emerging technologies such as quantum and AI today.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> So let me just ask you this. Some people would say&#8230; AI, quantum computing, like, okay, help me understand. Are they related? Are they not related? Why are you going from one to the other? Talk about it.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Nneka McGee:</strong> We&#8217;ve all heard at this point of artificial intelligence and artificial intelligence related systems. And I want to focus squarely on education. That&#8217;s my world. The technical part is another show. It&#8217;s focused on how we can help kids learn and grow about the technologies that will impact them in society. For me, the primary connection for artificial intelligence and now quantum computing are that these are technologies that will impact our students who are going through pre-K through 12 systems and even college.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And it is important to prepare our students because, for example, I&#8217;m an educator. Chances of me going into another career at this stage in my life is minimal. But for a student, a young student who is interested in the world, their pathways are limitless. And so we have to give them the tools that are necessary. And I believe that gaining an understanding in the foundational principles of first artificial intelligence and now quantum computing will help.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> I don&#8217;t think anybody would debate you on the importance of AI, at least not now, maybe three or four years ago. But quantum computing, give us an overview of what will quantum computing mean to our world. Getting into the details might be a bit, but why is quantum computing important?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Nneka McGee:</strong> When we think about quantum computing and then we think about classical computing, I want to make a distinction here. Quantum computing will not replace classical computing. Right. Quantum computing, at its heart, is designed to solve problems that are different and novel. And I&#8217;m going to give you a very specific example of quantum computing and what can happen. There is an encryption technology that we use that governs the Internet, governs all of these things that help us run banking technologies.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Because they use prime numbers and semi-primes and it&#8217;s really technical, it takes classical computing millions of years. A quantum computer would be able to crack this encryption in a very short amount of time. Can you imagine what that would mean for every sector of our society to have this type of computing power? It&#8217;s not there yet, but I can tell you that many companies, they&#8217;re trying to get ahead. Of this eventuality that&#8217;s going to happen once quantum computers have this capacity.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So that&#8217;s just a stark example of something that can shake every aspect of our security in digital spaces and that they&#8217;re working on it now. They&#8217;re not waiting until it comes online. They&#8217;re doing it now. That&#8217;s a stark example of why it&#8217;s important.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> We&#8217;re looking at basically none of our passwords really being truly secure.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Nneka McGee:</strong> Not only passwords, the mechanisms behind what makes passwords work in every aspect. Once you can crack those large prime numbers in the semi-primes that brought those prime numbers together, it&#8217;s kind of like with the pennies in the activity we described. It&#8217;s not exact, but it&#8217;ll tell you basically at its heart. What happens is that it really takes computers a long time to factor. These are huge, huge, huge numbers. And so that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s difficult for a classical computer to factor these numbers.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> So I&#8217;m going to check out something one of my ninth graders said. It just presented on quantum computing in my class. And all the things you taught me just helped me really help her, you know, get further along because it is a complex topic. The S in HTTPS, that secure piece, will be able to be cracked. And so all these people who are using something called packet sniffers today, so they&#8217;re grabbing all these packets of data off the Internet.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And just putting it somewhere. People who are joining all this free Wi-Fi, like say you go to Starbucks and you join the free Wi-Fi, and yeah, you&#8217;ve got your encryption and you&#8217;re using all the latest stuff and you&#8217;ve got your current operating system, but somebody&#8217;s just grabbing that encrypted stuff out of the air. She said that basically when quantum computing comes along, it could be even possible to decrypt things that they captured back here in our current time.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Nneka McGee:</strong> She&#8217;s correct in the sense that, yes, we will get to a point, particularly with quantum computing. And I don&#8217;t know a better way to put it other than the security of the Internet and our digital world will be crackable at every level. It just will be. And there will be a point once quantum computers get to, you know, a state in which they can crack those codes where it&#8217;ll be useless.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> So we were talking before the show and you said working with teaching AI to kids and teachers for eight or nine years. And there are some similarities with eight or nine years ago in AI and where quantum is today in terms of interest. How do you kind of compare the two and where people are in terms of what they&#8217;re ready to learn about?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Nneka McGee:</strong> Right. Well, even before, so, you know, before ChatGPT came online, and it&#8217;s so interesting because in June of 22, I was part of an ISTE panel, about artificial intelligence and its future implications. And we were in a large room and there were a lot of people there, but there were still some empty seats and we always talk about, we said the nerds before the herds. We&#8217;re thinking we&#8217;re part of this amazing kind of emerging technology and we didn&#8217;t know anything.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">You think you know something and you don&#8217;t know anything. For example, when I tell people. That the federal government has a whole website dedicated to educators for K-12 education dealing with quantum. People are like, really? So you&#8217;re seeing that things are happening, but the awareness level needs to grow. So we need to get more people on board with understanding that this is emerging technology that people are working on and we need our kids to be prepared.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">People can say what they want to say, but when you hear the word quantum physics, yeah, people are like, that&#8217;s not a place I want to go again. You see the government investing funds. You see states, New York, invested over $100 million in quantum technologies. Places like Colorado states are starting to invest heavily in quantum technologies and preparing at the college level for people to enter the workforce or build careers in quantum and quantum-related technologies.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And you can do a lot at the college level, but if you haven&#8217;t prepared kids, how are they going to succeed? Yeah. I mean, because if they don&#8217;t have strong grounding in mathematics and physics, some understanding of those topics, where are we? How are we sending them to our colleges to prepare for these hundreds of millions of dollars that are being invested? And there will be a breakthrough technology similar to mark this, tag it, do whatever you need to do.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">There will be a breakthrough technology like ChatGPT or generative. AI in quantum at some point. And where will we be as educators if we didn&#8217;t do what was necessary to help prepare our kids for that eventuality?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> So you&#8217;re talking quantum, Nneka, but you also talk AI for littles. Now, some people would say, hey, okay, quantum, no, and AI for littles, like, why? So what do you do with littles? Because typically littles is like kindergarten, right?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Nneka McGee:</strong> Yeah, even not. So when we think about, you know, early education, you&#8217;re thinking as early as three years old. A great book I would recommend that kind of gets into the heart of it is this book by Isabelle Hau.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> I&#8217;ve had her on the show. She&#8217;s amazing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Nneka McGee:</strong> She is amazing. and one of the things that she talks about is how when we look at brain development in our kids, I want to say it&#8217;s like 80% occurs before kindergarten, yet we talk about kindergarten readiness, right? And so it doesn&#8217;t mean that we&#8217;re teaching linear algebra to young kids, but the key is what that tells us about brain science and what Isabelle is talking about in Love to Learn in terms of even with artificial intelligence and relational intelligence is this is a great time through concrete activities, hands-on activities, to give kids understanding and foundational skills with topics where technology and interacting with the technology may not be appropriate or necessary.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I&#8217;ve stressed with AI for littles and what I did was gather together different types of hands-on activities that teachers could use with the youngest learners. And one of them, the one that I use the most. It was a mistake. It was early DALL-E, which is the visual. Basically, they married ChatGPT and DALL-E together, but it used to be separate. Right. So I just wanted to show a plate, like how easy it was to enter a prompt, make smiley face on a plate.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So I enter in these instructions and the image that comes back is a plate without a nose. And I said, this is the most I have built a whole lessons. So I do this lesson and basically I say, hey, you can do all of these things. Any kid with a marker, doesn&#8217;t matter how long, how big the marker is, they can draw on a paper plate. And then you show this image to say, hey, even though artificial intelligence is great, you still need a human in a loop.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Not only does it make mistakes, but you need somebody to make sure your instructions don&#8217;t cause someone not to have a nose, right? I built those series of hands-on lessons. I did the same thing and then started to do the same thing with quantum computing and understanding of quantum principles. And I start with the basic superposition, entanglement, and also with coherence. When it came to hands-on activities, those were three terms that people would connect with and that I could use very simple materials.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> And you use a penny. I had a student, the one who did the presentation, was struggling with what&#8217;s a qubit? How does it even work? And I pulled out Penny and did what you taught me, Nneka. And she was like, oh, I understand. And she even used that in front of the class to explain a little bit about how it works. No computer. Here&#8217;s a penny. Let&#8217;s explain these terms. These are things that kids can understand. And I know it shocks people.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">How young have you taught lessons on quantum?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Nneka McGee:</strong> Thank you for sharing the story of your student, because a lot of times people say, well, do people take things back from conferences? It&#8217;s so exciting to know that you took something back to a conference and it led your student to gain an extra understanding to a point where, what does she do? Have a conversation through a presentation about the impact of what quantum computing will mean for the future. We&#8217;ve worked with kids, when I say four or five, five-year-olds, the same lessons that we go over, we have done with kids.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">These are not just pull them out of the air and then present them. There are things that I&#8217;ve actually done with kids, and that&#8217;s so important. And there are certain things that I stress, and I think that I stress to you. First of all, even with the penny, It is rudimentary. It is a representation that can allow an access point to an individual who may think that quantum mechanics and quantum computing is inaccessible. And that&#8217;s the bridge that&#8217;s going to be very hard.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">My life as an educator to ensuring that students have access and opportunity to math and science is like the core of what I do. That is why it&#8217;s important to present accessible activities. There&#8217;s a quantum physicist who. And I shout her name, Dr. Megan Ivory. I don&#8217;t know if she had co-developers, but she is one of the main point persons for QCaMP. These QCaMPs, not only do they help students, but they help educators. And they pay educators to spend time to learn about these novel topics so that they can go into their classrooms and support kids.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Recently in New Mexico, they had an event where they created activities even for younger kids to be able to explore. So you have this ecosystem, infrastructure and education that is being developed in whatever I do to get more people to embrace that this is coming in ways that are accessible, entry points that are digestible. That is my task.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> What is the most surprising thing that kindergarten and first, second grade teachers find as they go to your workshops or sessions for either quantum computing or AI?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Nneka McGee:</strong> Well, the first thing that surprises them is that they can introduce these topics in a way that is accessible.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> That is so exciting. We shouldn&#8217;t be playing king of the hill. We should make a bigger hill, especially when it concerns the future of children. Dr. Nneka McGee will put everything in the show notes, much that we could talk about, but her resources just for teaching lessons, you know, these are the kind of conversations we need to be having. You can teach quantum computing and teach AI. And yes, you can even teach them to little.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So thank you for the work that you&#8217;re doing and the conversations you&#8217;re having and for agreeing to come on the show. So this is really exciting. Thanks for tuning in to the 10-Minute Teacher Podcast. Watch the video version of this podcast and catch my new radio and TV show, Cool Cat Teacher Talk, on YouTube and a radio or TV station near you. Join my Cool Cat Teacher Classroom Matters newsletter at coolcatteacher.com forward slash newsletter.</p>



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					<description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e966/" title="Vibe Coding with Gemini: Build Your Own Classroom Tools" rel="nofollow"><img width="1024" height="576" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/966-alice-keeler-vibe-coding-1024x576.png" class="webfeedsFeaturedVisual wp-post-image" alt="" style="display: block; margin: auto; margin-bottom: 5px;max-width: 100%;" link_thumbnail="1" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/966-alice-keeler-vibe-coding-1024x576.png 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/966-alice-keeler-vibe-coding-300x169.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/966-alice-keeler-vibe-coding-768x432.png 768w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/966-alice-keeler-vibe-coding-1170x658.png 1170w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/966-alice-keeler-vibe-coding-585x329.png 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/966-alice-keeler-vibe-coding.png 1280w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a><p>From the Cool Cat Teacher Blog by Vicki Davis <P>Subscribe to the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast and Cool Cat Teacher Talk anywhere you listen to podcasts.</p>
<p>Alice Keeler, Google Developer Expert for Google Workspace, shares how to vibe code for Google workspace. She discusses privacy issues, tips for writing code, and the importance of installing tools that are maintained by developers. Then, in the show notes, how to begin creating your own Gem with prompts and tips is included for classroom teachers to get started with their own coding. </p>
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<p class="cct-target wp-block-paragraph">Alice Keeler created the <a href="https://alicekeeler.com/educatoraiassistant/" data-type="link" data-id="https://alicekeeler.com/educatoraiassistant/">Educator AI Assistant</a>, a Google Sheets add-on that does not collect any data in just two days. In today&#8217;s show, Alice Keeler talks about how she vibe codes with Gemini to create extensions and tools for teachers and the classroom. Vibe coding is &#8220;all the rage,&#8221; and everyone is talking about it. But how do you do it? If you&#8217;re interested in vibe coding, you&#8217;ll want to listen to the thoughts Alice shares relating to the big-picture issues. </p>


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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I recently had <a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e940/">Donnie Piercey on the show</a> talking about how he vibe codes for his fifth-grade classroom. However, this show is different. It specifically relates to Gemini, surfaces privacy issues we should be concerned about, and casts a vision for what school IT departments are becoming (or might need to become).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I do have to share that this was recorded in the middle of last year; however, I&#8217;ve included the timeless elements in our conversation. The principles of AI that relate to what we do to protect privacy and to help our schools succeed are constant. Some of the tools have changed, and they will continue to change. We mentioned how some of the tools from the &#8220;Web 2 days&#8221; that we used daily and discussed constantly don&#8217;t exist anymore. That will happen again. But teaching is just as important as ever, and with vibe coding we have a superpower if we dig in.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you&#8217;re vibe coding in your classroom, I hope you&#8217;ll share with me what you&#8217;re doing by <a href="https://airtable.com/shrNjHKirdxoDLmIG" data-type="link" data-id="https://airtable.com/shrNjHKirdxoDLmIG">contacting me</a>. I&#8217;d like to hear your story!</p>



<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>I want my toolbox to small. I don&#8217;t want to sign up fro 10,000 different products.</p><cite>Alice Keeler, Google Developer Expert for Google Workspace</cite></blockquote></figure>



<h2 id="h-table-of-contents-for-these-show-notes" class="wp-block-heading">Table of Contents for These Show Notes</h2>



<div class="wp-block-yoast-seo-table-of-contents yoast-table-of-contents"><h2>Table of contents</h2><ul><li><a href="#h-table-of-contents-for-these-show-notes" data-level="2">Table of Contents for These Show Notes</a></li><li><a href="#h-listen-to-the-show" data-level="2">Listen to the Show</a></li><li><a href="#h-key-takeaways-from-this-show" data-level="2">Key Takeaways from This Show</a><ul><li><a href="#h-resources-mentioned-on-the-show" data-level="3">Resources Mentioned on the Show</a></li></ul></li><li><a href="#h-beginners-start-by-making-a-gem" data-level="2">Beginners: Start By Making a GEM</a><ul><li><a href="#h-description-field" data-level="3">Description Field</a></li><li><a href="#h-instructions-field" data-level="3">Instructions Field:</a></li></ul></li><li><a href="#h-learn-more-about-gemini-and-vibe-coding" data-level="2">Learn More About Gemini and Vibe Coding</a></li><li><a href="#h-transcript-of-this-show" data-level="2">Transcript of this Show</a></li></ul></div>



<h2 id="h-listen-to-the-show" class="wp-block-heading">Listen to the Show</h2>


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<h2 id="h-key-takeaways-from-this-show" class="wp-block-heading">Key Takeaways from This Show</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here are some of the things we talked about on today&#8217;s show:</p>



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<li>How expertise matters, but not quite as much as you might think, when it comes to vibe coding.</li>



<li>Alice&#8217;s concerns about the rapid emergence of new tools built by AI and if they are actually protecting student data.</li>



<li>The benefits of vibe coding extensions for your own Google Drive and how it can protect data. Notes about how you need to work with your IT department and some features that may not be available to classroom teachers.</li>



<li>What &#8220;citizen programming&#8221; is and how vibe coding fits into that approach that has been discussed for years. Also, how it impacts the IT Department of your school.</li>



<li>The benefits of moving from off-the-shelf solutions to those your district creates for itself and an example of a district who built their own system.</li>



<li>What we learned from Web 2.0 days that applies to AI days today.</li>



<li>The importance of using tools that are maintained by the developer and examples of development tasks that are done when you create an extension or add-on. </li>
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<h3 id="h-resources-mentioned-on-the-show" class="wp-block-heading">Resources Mentioned on the Show</h3>



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<li><a href="https://alicekeeler.com/educatoraiassistant/">Educator AI Assistant</a> — the Google Sheets add-on she built in two days. Collects no data. Still in beta. </li>
</ul>



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<li><a href="https://workspace.google.com/marketplace/app/templatetab_by_alice_keeler/187262587401">TemplateTab</a> — the add-on she references, 26M+ installs </li>
</ul>



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<li><a href="https://alicekeeler.com/codedbyalice">All of Alice&#8217;s add-ons</a><a href="https://workspace.google.com/marketplace/search/alicekeeler">Alice&#8217;s add-ons in the Google Workspace Marketplace</a></li>
</ul>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://alicekeeler.com/">Teacher Tech with Alice Keeler</a> — her blog </li>



<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/alicekeeler/">Alice Keeler on LinkedIn</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Alice-M.-Keeler/e/B00XAIP6XU">Alice&#8217;s books on Amazon</a></li>



<li><a href="https://app.birdsend.co/forms/883/hosted">Free Teacher Tech newsletter</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e940/">Vibe Coding for Teachers: No Coding Skills Needed</a> — Donnie Piercey, e940</li>
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  <h3 style="margin:0 0 16px;font-size:22px;font-weight:700;color:#03256c;">About Alice Keeler</h3>

  <p style="margin:0 0 14px;font-size:16px;line-height:1.65;color:#03256c;">Alice Keeler is a Google Developer Expert and educator specializing in Google Apps Script, automation, and custom EdTech solutions. As the creator of 37 Google-approved Add-ons, she develops powerful tools that streamline workflows for educators and organizations.</p>
  <p style="margin:0 0 14px;font-size:16px;line-height:1.65;color:#03256c;">Alice was a featured speaker at the Google Cloud NEXT 2023 Developer Keynote, showcasing her contributions to the developer community. A Google Developer Expert in Google Workspace and AppSheet, she is widely recognized for her deep knowledge of Google Sheets and automation, earning her the title Queen of Spreadsheets.</p>
  <p style="margin:0 0 14px;font-size:16px;line-height:1.65;color:#03256c;">With degrees in Mathematics and Educational Media Design and Technology, Alice combines her technical expertise with a passion for making Google technologies more accessible. She actively shares her knowledge through speaking engagements, development projects, and global training sessions, empowering others to harness the full potential of Google tools.</p>
  <p style="margin:0;font-size:15px;line-height:1.6;color:#03256c;"><a href="https://alicekeeler.com/" style="color:#2599ff;">Teacher Tech blog</a> &nbsp;·&nbsp; <a href="https://alicekeeler.com/educatoraiassistant/" style="color:#2599ff;">Educator AI Assistant</a> &nbsp;·&nbsp; <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/alicekeeler/" style="color:#2599ff;">LinkedIn</a></p>
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<h2 id="h-beginners-start-by-making-a-gem" class="wp-block-heading">Beginners: Start By Making a GEM</h2>



<p class="cct-target wp-block-paragraph">Classroom teachers, IT Coaches, and curriculum directors</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A GEM is a special custom AI prompt that is pre-programmed for a specific purpose. Read Alice&#8217;s information on Gems in &#8220;<a href="https://alicekeeler.com/2026/06/06/what-are-google-gemini-gems/">What are Google Gemini Gems</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Before you start making one, try a Gem like one of those found at on <a href="https://sites.google.com/view/geminigemsharing/home">Alice&#8217;s shared GEM site</a> or  <a href="https://www.edugems.ai/">Edugems</a>, made by Eric Curts.</p>



<p class="cct-try wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Make a Gem to Align to Your Standards. </strong><br /><br />1. Sign in to your school account and go to your <a href="https://gemini.google.com/gems/view">Gem Manager</a>. <br /><br /><strong>2. Find an online PDF of the standards you&#8217;re using for your class this year and attach it to the gem you&#8217;re making</strong>. Attach only your grade or course section. It will work better if it is a narrow file and not a huge file with hundreds of pages (which may not even upload to Gemini).<br /><br />3. Use the following prompt and make sure you attach the PDF standards to the gem. Edit the prompt so that it is asking what you want it to help you do. (In <a href="https://alicekeeler.com/2026/06/06/what-are-google-gemini-gems/">Alice&#8217;s article on GEMS</a>, Alice gives the acronym <strong>PARTS</strong> (Persona * Act (Task) * Recipient * Theme * Structure)<br /><br />TIP: <strong>Pick a better model </strong>like Thinking or Pro and not fast as you start with it. You can also feed in sample lesson plan templates that you like and other lessons you&#8217;ve created that are examples of best practices. <br /><br />TIP: <strong>use a file name</strong> like best-practices-template.pdf and standardsname-grade.pdf.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Then set up the GEM with this as a starting point. Edit the instructions to fit your situation and needs.</p>



<h3 id="h-description-field" class="wp-block-heading">Description Field</h3>



<pre class="wp-block-preformatted">Attach or paste your lesson plan. Name the standards you are teaching in this lesson, by code.</pre>



<h3 id="h-instructions-field" class="wp-block-heading">Instructions Field:</h3>



<pre class="wp-block-preformatted">You are a standards integration analyst. You examine a teacher's lesson plan<br />against the standards document attached to this Gem and report where those<br />standards are actually taught, where they are only mentioned, and what would<br />strengthen the match.<br /><br />Use only the attached standards document as your source of standards. Do not<br />generate standard codes. Do not quote standard language that is not in the<br />attached document. Do not substitute a standard from memory or from another<br />state's framework. When the teacher names a code, find it in the attached<br />document and quote it verbatim before analyzing it. If a named code is not in the<br />attached document, say so and stop rather than guessing.<br /><br />For the lesson plan provided, do the following in order.<br /><br />1. Confirm the standards. List each standard the teacher named, with its code and<br />its verbatim text from the attached document, so the teacher can check the match.<br /><br />2. Build a coverage table with one row per named standard. Columns: the standard<br />code, the specific activity or step where it appears, and a rating of Taught,<br />Mentioned, or Absent. Taught means students do something that requires the<br />standard. Mentioned means the standard is named but no student work depends on it.<br /><br />3. Check the verbs. For each standard, name the cognitive verb the standard<br />requires and the verb the lesson actually asks students to perform. Flag every<br />mismatch and state the direction — the task sits below the standard, or above it.<br /><br />4. Name the evidence gap. For each standard, state what a teacher would look at to<br />know a student met it. If the lesson produces no such evidence, say so plainly.<br /><br />5. Search the attached standards document for standards the teacher did not name<br />that this lesson already does substantial work toward. List up to three, each with<br />its code and verbatim text, and name the activity that supports it. Mark this<br />section clearly as suggestions to verify, not claims of alignment.<br /><br />6. Give three integration moves, ordered by effort:<br />   - One change that can be made tonight in under ten minutes using what is<br />     already in the plan.<br />   - One change for the next time this lesson is taught.<br />   - One larger redesign worth considering when the unit is rebuilt.<br />   For each, name which standard it strengthens.<br /><br />7. Suggest one way to raise the rigor without adding class time, tied to a<br />standard already in the plan.<br /><br />8. List anything in the lesson that is not serving a named standard. Do not<br />recommend cutting it — some of it is classroom culture. Report it so the teacher<br />can decide.<br /><br />Report in plain language a teacher can skim. Do not rewrite the lesson plan.</pre>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Then, remember, to test your gem. Part of customizing tools using AI is that we ideate, prototype (what you made above), and test. When you test and find mistakes, then you can revise the instructions and try again. Send the link to someone to test.</p>



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<h2 id="h-learn-more-about-gemini-and-vibe-coding" class="wp-block-heading">Learn More About Gemini and Vibe Coding</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A GEM is just a start, you can go so much further with vibe coding than this. Recently, I described when I vibe-coded my AI terminology game for ISTE. (<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zq6EQOwaqLglcxL8mxs_npLg1E2KbROztWX2yijsxqM/edit?tab=t.5427ca30d65z#heading=h.f1e4gzebk97u">Here&#8217;s how I did that one</a> and <a href="https://spy-the-ai-game-coolcatteacher.netlify.app/" data-type="link" data-id="https://spy-the-ai-game-coolcatteacher.netlify.app/">here&#8217;s the game</a>.)  If you want to do something like this, look at Alice&#8217;s tips for vibe coding with Antigravity for Google.</p>



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<li><a href="https://alicekeeler.com/2026/08/01/google-gemini-for-teachers-quick-start-guide/">Google Gemini for Teachers Quick Start Guide</a> &#8211; August 1, 2026 Alice posted this which also includes 10 prompts to get you started.</li>



<li><a href="https://alicekeeler.com/2026/07/19/getting-started-with-vibe-coding-using-antigravity/" data-type="link" data-id="https://alicekeeler.com/2026/07/19/getting-started-with-vibe-coding-using-antigravity/">Getting Started with Vibe Coding Using Antigravity</a> &#8211; Alice is now taking us further. First, she talks about enabling canvas to let you create an app for your classroom that does something like this Gem that she made. Then, if you want to go to a higher level, Antigravity is what Alice is using now. Antigravity is not where you start and it does require you install it on your computer and it will not work on a chromebook. <strong>She goes through every step. </strong></li>
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<p class="cct-takeaway wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Make AI-friendly handouts. </strong>I taught my students to vibe code games to reinforce what we were learning in class. This means that for almost all content, I produce a PDF and put it into Google Classroom so they can access the material to make their games. Good data helps the AI you&#8217;re programming to focus and produce better results. Students are making their own review games in all kinds of AI tools, but most will not take the time to get good information on what they should be studying. I think of these PDFs as handouts for the AI tools my students are using! </p>



<h2 id="h-transcript-of-this-show" class="wp-block-heading">Transcript of this Show</h2>



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<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> Today on Tech Tool Tuesday, we&#x27;re talking about vibe coding for Gemini for teachers with Alice Keeler. Remember, go to the webpage for this episode for a lot of amazing resources at coolcatteacher.com forward slash E966.</p>
<p><strong>Announcer:</strong> This is the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast with your host, Vicki Davis.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> I am so excited today to be talking with my friend Alice Keeler. She is the queen of spreadsheets and yes, Google gave her that name and she has her cat on camera. For those of you who are watching YouTube, well, I am the cool cat teacher, so there you go. She is a mom of five, author of eight books. She blogs at alicekeeler.com. She has an AI teacher toolbox that you definitely want to check out at educatoraiassistant.com. It not only creates lesson plans rubrics, but it collects no data. All of her data collection-free add-ons are at alicekeeler.com. Forward slash codedbyalice. You sent me a text the other day that said, how many? 37. 37 add-ons.</p>
<p><strong>Alice Keeler:</strong> And it just feels like so many, I can&#x27;t keep track. I&#x27;m like, is it really that many?</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> Yeah. And you start as a math teacher.</p>
<p><strong>Alice Keeler:</strong> I taught myself to code. And now with Vibe Coding, I&#x27;m killing it with the Vibe Coding. So Vibe Coding would be that when you use AI to code. So I go to Google Gemini and I&#x27;m like, this is what I want. I code Google Workspace, right? So Google Docs, Google Sheets, Google Slides. I know how to code. So my prompts are pretty good. This is what I want the add-on to do. Honestly, Vicki, the other day, it was really disappointing because it worked the first time. No edits. I&#x27;m like, how boring is that? But it also is like, how quickly can I get out new features and improve the functionality and things that I kind of know about, but I don&#x27;t know? I can actually incorporate those things really quickly into my add-ons and into my code. So Vibe Coding is coding with AI. So it took me two days to create this AI teacher toolkit. So what I wanted to do is to have something that collects no data. I feel very squishy about all of these products that have seemed to have popped up over the last year. There&#x27;s some rumors about some companies just signing whatever the schools give them. But are they? I mean, it&#x27;s easy to sign something, but what are they really doing with your data? So I want my toolbox to be small. I don&#x27;t want to sign up for 10,000 different products. So what can I do with Google Sheets, Google Slides, Google Forms, stay in the Google ecosystem if you&#x27;re a Google user? This is the ecosystem you&#x27;re in. It&#x27;s in your own Google Drive. You should, like, keep your data with yourself. So what I coded was the ability to, it&#x27;s an add-on for Google Sheets, that will allow you to create lesson plans, rubrics, respond to an angry parent, lesson plan simulator that turns your lesson plan into a D&amp;D adventure. Honestly, anything you want, like, literally anything you want. IEP writer, Dungeons &amp; Dragons, any of those things and more because I have a feature that allows you to describe what you want, what tool you want, and it will create the prompt for you and add it into your toolbox. In my particular case, everything is sitting in your Google Drive, in your Sheets. So, I mean, like if it&#x27;s in your Google Drive, we have a lot of PII in our student drive, right? Like all the student work, rosters, everything, Google Classroom has that PII.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> Now that vibe coding exists and people can write their own extensions, There are bad actors that can write extensions that can take information. So how do we determine which extensions we really want to trust? And do we just write them ourselves?</p>
<p><strong>Alice Keeler:</strong> I think you should write them ourselves. I mean, it took me two days to write this teacher AI toolkit. Now, granted, I have a lot of background knowledge and things that helped me to do this. I don&#x27;t know that your average person with no knowledge could just pull this off tomorrow. But that&#x27;s what&#x27;s really exciting is that school districts can look at these tools and be like, we want that, but we want the privacy. They can literally have somebody with honestly very mediocre skills in coding, put one together, distribute it out to the whole school district, and you know it&#x27;s safe because you made it internally and you published it. And it&#x27;s so easy to publish internally. Now, you have to have permissions. Like, probably as a teacher, you don&#x27;t have the ability to make a cloud project at your school. So you&#x27;re going to want to work with your IT department, Either get them to do it because it&#x27;s insanely easy to do that. We&#x27;re in a really exciting time of more security because it&#x27;s really doable. If these companies can pop up overnight, why can&#x27;t your school district make that themselves and then share it with other school districts? Like, it feels to me like the democratization of EdTech right now. I&#x27;m really excited about it.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> Programming we&#x27;ve been talking about for years. The rise of citizen programming, which is basically vibe coding, means that by describing an app or a tool that you can create it adds another layer of what IT departments will do, which is the approval of apps, programs, websites, all of these things to deploy them. Because if you can do that, you can have more safety and more security. But, you know, there are some IT departments who say, hey, we&#x27;re not programmers, we&#x27;re computer fixers. Right. That&#x27;s got to change.</p>
<p><strong>Alice Keeler:</strong> I think that&#x27;s true for every job. It&#x27;s not just the IT department. What does the job of teachers look like moving forward now that we have this democratization of ed tech and all of the things? So I would hope that the IT department is always moving forward because technology moves fast. So what we were doing in the IT department 10 years ago, 15 years ago, was obviously not the same today, right? How many of them were writing AI policies 10 years ago? None of them. And I hope they all are now. So let&#x27;s just assume that&#x27;s happening. But getting them on board with the citizen coding, with the vibe coding, is that you have people from your community, your school district, contributing to solve your really unique problems. Yeah. And anything you buy is pretty much off the shelf, right? It addresses your problems, but does it really solve what you need it to do? Now, I&#x27;m just doing it with Google Workspace, but of course, you can vibe code in anything. You can vibe code Python and different things for whatever your applications are. What could we do if we were to vibe code and create these tools that we know that they&#x27;re safe because we made them ourselves and worked on them internally? Some of it&#x27;s going to be too much. I don&#x27;t know that I&#x27;m going to recreate PowerSchool anytime soon, as much as I need. But there&#x27;s a lot of things that we can look at. And like, that&#x27;s a cool feature. Could we build it internally? Could we band together with some other schools? I know like Fresno Unified and their Microsoft school. They&#x27;re awesome. They do make their own power school. And so they do it all internally. It&#x27;s gamified. And so it does happen. And it is possible. But Fresno Unified is the third largest school district, I think, in the state of California. So they have a lot of resources. But better yet, if we were to just, you know, make a conglomerate that we work together.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> One thing at ISTE that perplexed me, I guess, a little bit is I&#x27;m a big one for using like the actual direct model. Like if I&#x27;m going to be using Gemini, I&#x27;m going to go straight to Gemini and use it. If I&#x27;m going to be using Claude, so many of these tools built on top of models, A, they don&#x27;t tell you which model they&#x27;re using. B, they don&#x27;t tell you how they&#x27;re using the data. And you&#x27;re not transparent to like, where is this data going and who&#x27;s using it? And then you&#x27;ve got the issue of, listen, you and I have known each other a long time and we lived through the web 2 era. So many apps that we talked about daily in the Web 2 era, including one of them was Wikispaces, bought by TES and then went away. Daily tools, big players, thinking they&#x27;re going to be here forever. Right. And then they went away.</p>
<p><strong>Alice Keeler:</strong> Right.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> And that&#x27;s going to happen again. And as OpenAI or Gemini or whoever updates these app models, it&#x27;ll break. And then we start from scratch.</p>
<p><strong>Alice Keeler:</strong> When I, when I connected up, I put in my code, a link that says model name and I click model name. So it&#x27;s really easy for me to update which model. So, and so all I literally have to do is swap out, not even a line of code is just a text string have to be actively supporting, but I hope that you&#x27;re using tools that are being actively supported anyway. So for example, my add-on template tab, I have 30 something million installs on that. [Editor&#x27;s note: the Google Workspace Marketplace listing for TemplateTab shows 26M+ installs.] So what that does is it takes your roster of students on the first sheet, and then you design your graphic organizer on the second sheet in Google Sheets, and then it&#x27;ll replicate your graphic organizer for each student on your roster and put their name on the tab at the bottom. So at some point, Google had changed the way that they handled folders and moving files and some of those things. And so they are deprecated. So I go in and I look at my code and some things are like lined out because they&#x27;re not supported anymore. So in that case, I did have to update my code, but not because of AI per se, but just because that&#x27;s how software works.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> Your point is really valid. Like this is helping me understand is that the value of, is this being actively maintained and updated so that you can have access to the new models? So Alice Keeler at alicekeeler.com, what she&#x27;s great at is helping people become massively efficient with Google Workspace. So if your school is Google Workspace, you should reach out to Alice. She can help you just be a game changer. We&#x27;re not going to get more people, so we got to get more efficient. We got to streamline admin so that we can free up resources to have more people in the classroom. So thanks for coming on the show, Alice.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e965/" title="How a School Built Its Culture Around the 7 Habits — and the Academics Followed" rel="nofollow"><img width="1024" height="576" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/965-muriel-summers-template1-1024x576.png" class="webfeedsFeaturedVisual wp-post-image" alt="" style="display: block; margin: auto; margin-bottom: 5px;max-width: 100%;" link_thumbnail="1" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/965-muriel-summers-template1-1024x576.png 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/965-muriel-summers-template1-300x169.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/965-muriel-summers-template1-768x432.png 768w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/965-muriel-summers-template1-1170x658.png 1170w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/965-muriel-summers-template1-585x329.png 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/965-muriel-summers-template1.png 1280w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a><p>From the Cool Cat Teacher Blog by Vicki Davis <P>Subscribe to the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast and Cool Cat Teacher Talk anywhere you listen to podcasts.</p>
<p>Muriel Summers took A.B. Combs from one of the lowest performing Title I schools to one of the highest by fixing the culture first — giving every child a leadership role and letting five-year-olds help interview teachers.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Giving students a voice. Respecting the heart of teachers. What if this could really be done? A.B. Combs in Raleigh, NC did just that as they integrated Dr. Stephen Covey&#8217;s <em>The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People</em> into their school culture. Then, when Dr. Covey wrote about them in <em>The 8th Habit</em>, it became one of the most visited schools according to then Principal, Muriel Summers.</p>


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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Muriel coauthored <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Leader-Me-Schools-Inspiring-Greatness/dp/1668085682?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>The Leader in Me</em></a> and now has a new book <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Teacher-Believed-Me-Difference-Well-Being/dp/1668210398?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Teacher Believed in Me</em></a>. Muriel tells the story of how a struggling principal and single mom in a struggling school believed in what their school could be and it made all of their lives better and the school became a success story that the world stood up and noticed. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Today is the perfect story for a Motivational Monday as so many of us head back to school. Thank you for making the 10 Minute Teacher a show that you listen to on the way to school. I hope this story encourages you like it does me. I was even shocked how they involve students in the hiring process! (Five year olds learn how to interview &#8211; ok, before you get upset, take a moment to hear what she&#8217;s saying. They aren&#8217;t literally hiring but the story is amazing!)</p>



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  <p style="margin:0;font-size:19px;line-height:1.55;color:#ffffff;font-style:italic;">&ldquo;So when you&rsquo;ve got a culture of everyone is leading, everyone is important, everyone&rsquo;s voice matters, everyone has genius. You don&rsquo;t have to worry about the academics. They just happen.&rdquo;</p>
  <p style="margin:12px 0 0;font-size:16px;line-height:1.4;color:#ffba08;font-weight:700;">Muriel Summers</p>
  <p style="margin:2px 0 0;font-size:14px;line-height:1.4;color:#ffffff;">Former Principal, A.B. Combs Elementary &middot; Global Ambassador, Leader in Me</p>
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<div class="wp-block-yoast-seo-table-of-contents yoast-table-of-contents"><h2>Table of contents</h2><ul><li><a href="#h-listen-to-the-show" data-level="2">Listen to the Show</a></li><li><a href="#h-key-takeaways-for-teachers-from-muriel-summers" data-level="2">Key Takeaways for Teachers from Muriel Summers</a></li><li><a href="#h-resources-mentioned-in-this-episode" data-level="2">Resources Mentioned in This Episode</a></li><li><a href="#h-about-muriel-summers" data-level="2">About Muriel Summers</a></li><li><a href="#h-7-habits-and-school-culture-resources-for-teachers-and-administrators" data-level="2">7 Habits and School Culture Resources for Teachers and Administrators</a><ul><li><a href="#h-free-lesson-plans-and-printables-you-can-use-tomorrow" data-level="3">Free Lesson Plans and Printables You Can Use Tomorrow</a></li><li><a href="#h-leadership-with-intention-exploration-activities-as-you-look-at-your-school-consider-some-of-these-questions" data-level="3">Leadership with Intention Exploration Activities: As You Look At Your School Consider Some of these Questions</a></li><li><a href="#h-three-words-above-the-door" data-level="3">Three Words Above the Door</a></li><li><a href="#h-more-free-resources-on-the-7-habits-and-school-culture" data-level="3">More Free Resources on the 7 Habits and School Culture</a></li></ul></li><li><a href="#h-other-shows-for-teachers-and-school-leaders" data-level="2">Other Shows for Teachers and School Leaders</a></li><li><a href="#h-listen-and-subscribe" data-level="2">Listen and Subscribe</a></li><li><a href="#h-episode-transcript" data-level="2">Episode Transcript</a></li></ul></div>



<h2 id="h-listen-to-the-show" class="wp-block-heading">Listen to the Show</h2>


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<h2 id="h-key-takeaways-for-teachers-from-muriel-summers" class="wp-block-heading">Key Takeaways for Teachers from Muriel Summers</h2>



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<li><strong>She fixed the culture and let the academics follow.</strong> Muriel says when everyone is leading and everyone has genius, “you don&#8217;t have to worry about the academics. They just happen.” She tells a remarkable story about how A.B. Combs went from one of the lowest performing schools to one of the highest. The story is awesome! </li>



<li><strong>She asked five groups what they wanted before she changed anything.</strong> Parents, students, teachers, college professors, and local business leaders all answered the same question: what would your ideal school look like, sound like, and feel like? The business leaders&#8217; answer was really thought provoking. They said, &#8220;we can teach someone of average intelligence to succeed here, but we can&#8217;t teach them to be trustworthy.&#8221; Character matters. (I would argue, now more than ever. Character has always mattered but I think perhaps now, it shines even brighter.)</li>



<li><strong>Every child had a job, not just the responsible ones.</strong> Discipline went down almost immediately, and Muriel&#8217;s explanation is simple: children wanted to come, and they wanted to be part of it.</li>



<li><strong>Children as young as five sat on the hiring panel</strong>. <strong>Shockingly, the one time she overruled them, she was wrong.</strong> </li>
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  <p style="margin:0;font-size:16px;line-height:1.6;color:#03256c;">Put three words where your students will see them on the way in. At A.B. Combs the words above the door were <em>you are seen, you are known, you are loved</em> — and every teacher was outside greeting children by name as they got off the bus. What words do you want students to see as they walk in your school? Into your classroom? Intentionally decide where to put them.</p>
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<h2 id="h-resources-mentioned-in-this-episode" class="wp-block-heading">Resources Mentioned in This Episode</h2>



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<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Leader-Me-Schools-Inspiring-Greatness/dp/1668085682?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>The Leader in Me: How Schools and Parents Around the World Are Inspiring Greatness, One Student at a Time</em></a> — the updated edition, co-authored by Stephen R. Covey, Sean Covey, Muriel Summers, and David K. Hatch.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Teacher-Believed-Me-Difference-Well-Being/dp/1668210398?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Teacher Believed in Me: The Science and Heart of Making a Difference in Students&#8217; Positive Well-Being</em></a> — Muriel&#8217;s new book with Dr. David K. Hatch.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Habits-Highly-Effective-People-Powerful/dp/1982137274?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People</em></a> by Dr. Stephen R. Covey — the book Muriel&#8217;s staff read when there was no framework to follow.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Habits-Highly-Effective-Teens/dp/1476764662?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>The 7 Habits of Highly Effective Teens</em></a> by Sean Covey — the one Muriel calls, lovingly, the &#8220;Cliff Notes of his father&#8217;s book,&#8221; and the one her teachers actually decided to teach from.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.leaderinme.org/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Leader in Me</a> — the FranklinCovey program that grew out of what A.B. Combs built.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.leaderinme.org/find-a-school/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Find a Leader in Me school near you</a> — the mapping tool, if you want to go see one the way people came to see hers.</li>
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<h2 id="h-about-muriel-summers" class="wp-block-heading">About Muriel Summers</h2>


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<figure class="alignright size-full is-resized"><img decoding="async" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Muriel-Summers-headshot.png" alt="Muriel Summers, former principal of A.B. Combs Elementary and Global Ambassador for the Leader in Me" style="width:300px"/><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Muriel Summers</figcaption></figure>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">From the minute she stepped into the classroom, Muriel Summers has always viewed teaching as a calling. As a principal, she twice guided her school, A.B. Combs Elementary in Raleigh, North Carolina, to being named the top magnet school of America. The school also became the original leadership school featured in FranklinCovey&#8217;s <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Leader-Me-Schools-Inspiring-Greatness/dp/1668085682?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Leader in Me</em></a>. The vision and strategies she and her remarkable staff developed are now being replicated in over 8,000 schools and more than seventy countries. She bears the honor of having received several awards, including teacher of the year, principal of the year, and an honorary doctorate. She was awarded the William and Ida Friday award for Leadership in Innovation, The Order of the Long Leaf Pine given by the Governor of North Carolina (the state&#8217;s highest honor given to a North Carolinian), the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Award for Leadership in Education, and the Ralph Kimmel Award, North Carolina&#8217;s highest honor for principals. She now serves as the Global Ambassador for the <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Leader-Me-Schools-Inspiring-Greatness/dp/1668085682?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Leader in Me</em></a> and keynotes at conferences across the US and abroad.</p>



<h2 id="h-7-habits-and-school-culture-resources-for-teachers-and-administrators" class="wp-block-heading">7 Habits and School Culture Resources for Teachers and Administrators</h2>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I&#8217;ve been doing some research for free resources that you can use in your school now. I would start by reading the books that I linked above (if you haven&#8217;t already&gt;)</p>
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<h3 id="h-free-lesson-plans-and-printables-you-can-use-tomorrow" class="wp-block-heading">Free Lesson Plans and Printables You Can Use Tomorrow</h3>



<p class="cct-try wp-block-paragraph">Here are some samples and handouts that you can use in your class to see if you like this approach. They are free from Franklin Covey, and they have more resources. My Mom wrote some similar things for our school that we used with my children. This approach is ap owerful one to check out. </p>



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<li><a href="https://www.leaderinme.org/uploads/Documents/Level1_TE_Sampler.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><strong>The Leader in Me Level 1 Annotated Teacher&#8217;s Edition</strong></a> (PDF) — This is a sampler. Open this one first if you teach the little ones. Habit 1 is a complete read-aloud lesson built around <em>King Bidgood&#8217;s in the Bathtub</em> by Audrey Wood and <em>The Little Engine That Could</em> by Watty Piper, with before-you-read, while-you-read, and after-reading questions written out for you, plus cross-curricular extensions in language arts, social studies, science, and art. <br /><br />It also has a parent letter for Habit 1 you can send home this week, a literature list, hand signs for each habit, and the 7 Habits Tree in kid language: You&#8217;re in Charge · Have a Plan · Work First, Then Play · Everyone Can Win · Listen Before You Talk · Together Is Better · Balance Feels Best.<br /></li>



<li><a href="https://www.leaderinme.org/uploads/Documents/Level3_TE_Sampler.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><strong>The Leader in Me Level 3 Annotated Teacher&#8217;s Edition</strong></a> (PDF) — The same idea for older students. Grab it even if you teach elementary, because of the leadership-tools section: thirteen thinking tools with plain instructions for how students use them, including the Circle of Control diagram, the Stop and Think chart, the Plus/Delta, the Synergizer, the Prioritizer, and the Goal Planner. <br /><br />These work in any classroom whether or not your school has heard of Leader in Me. It also lists the education correlations for each habit, which is what you need when someone asks you to justify the time.<br /></li>



<li><a href="https://www.cppschools.com/downloads/pine_island/7-habits-posters.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><strong>7 Habits of Happy Kids Classroom Posters</strong></a> (PDF) — A free seven-poster set, one per habit, each written in first-person student language: &#8220;I have a &#8216;Can Do&#8217; attitude. I choose my actions, attitudes and moods.&#8221; Made and given away by a third-grade teacher who blogs as Third Grade Bookworm. Print, laminate, done.<br /></li>



<li><a href="http://happykids-memphis.weebly.com/clip-charts-posters-certificates--more.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><strong>The 7 Habits of Happy Kids (and teachers!) printable library</strong></a> — A K–5 teacher in Memphis put her whole set online: a classroom poster set, a 7 Habits clip chart, student certificates, character slips, bookmarks, coloring pages that pair with Sean Covey&#8217;s book, a Habit 2 goal-setting sheet, a Think Win-Win graphic organizer, graphic organizers scaled up for grades 3–5, and 7 Habits songs. Every one is a direct download.</li>
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<h3 id="h-leadership-with-intention-exploration-activities-as-you-look-at-your-school-consider-some-of-these-questions" class="wp-block-heading">Leadership with Intention Exploration Activities: As You Look At Your School Consider Some of these Questions</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Who this is for:</strong> whole-faculty meetings, grade-level teams, leadership teams, and new-teacher induction. <strong>How to run it:</strong> After your team listens to the show, these questions come from what Muriel actually described, not from a template. As I shared on the show, we should make our &#8220;to be&#8221; list before we make our &#8220;to do&#8221; list. These activities can help you look at your school now at the beginning of the year as you decide how you can make things better.</p>



<h4 id="h-1-open-with-the-two-minute-test-describing-your-school" class="wp-block-heading">1. Open with the two-minute test describing your school</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Muriel&#8217;s assistant principal, Michael Armstrong, used to ask one question about the building: <em>Can you feel it?</em> She says you don&#8217;t need long in a school to know what it&#8217;s about.</p>



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<li>A parent walks in for the first time. What do they see, hear, and feel in the first two minutes?</li>



<li>Walk into your school on a regular day and observe. What do you see, hear, and feel in the first two minutes?</li>



<li>Is this what we choose for people to see, hear and feel? Should any of it change?</li>



<li>EXTEND THIS and Walk the halls: What do our walls currently teach? Whose work is on them?</li>
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<h4 id="h-2-interview-stakeholders" class="wp-block-heading">2. Interview Stakeholders</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Before A.B. Combs redesigned itself, they asked parents, students, teachers, professors, and local business leaders one question: <em>if you could create your ideal school, what would it look like, sound like, and feel like?</em> The answers surprised them. Teachers wanted students who respected them and a place where they had a voice. Students wanted teachers who loved them. Business leaders said they could teach someone of average intelligence to succeed in their organization, but they could not teach trustworthiness or collaboration. Parents wanted a teacher who knew their child&#8217;s story and could see gifts beyond academics.</p>



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<li>Ask the five groups the same question this month. Who does the asking, and by when?</li>



<li>Which answer would be hardest for us to hear right now?</li>



<li>What are we already doing that no one asked for?</li>
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<h4 id="h-3-everyone-has-a-job-not-just-the-responsible-ones" class="wp-block-heading">3. Everyone has a job — not just the responsible ones</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Muriel says discipline dropped almost immediately once every child had a role and their genius was recognized, because children wanted to come and wanted to be part of it. Note the scope: <em>every</em> child, not the reliable handful.</p>



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<li>List every classroom and schoolwide job that currently exists. How many students does that cover?</li>



<li>Name three students who have never held one. Why not?</li>



<li>What job could exist that doesn&#8217;t yet — and which student is it obviously for?</li>



<li>Do adults feel like leaders in their area of responsibility? Are they empowered to act? Do they feel heard?</li>
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<h4 id="h-4-the-hard-one-would-we-let-students-on-a-hiring-panel" class="wp-block-heading">4. The hard one: would we let students on a hiring panel?</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">At A.B. Combs, candidates were interviewed by children — some as young as five, taught how to interview rather than left to wing it, with an adult in the room to listen and debrief afterward, not to feed them lines. The students didn&#8217;t decide who got hired, but their voice counted. Muriel says teachers consistently called the student interview the hardest one. In twenty years she overruled the children once: a candidate with an MBA and a systems-thinking background the students admired but said &#8220;doesn&#8217;t get kids.&#8221; He lasted until November.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">When I was at Georgia Tech, I was on a &#8220;hiring feedback panel&#8221; for the Director of External Affairs. We gave feedback on the candidates. It was a great hire and a person who really connected with students and faculty. We gave feedback but didn&#8217;t make the final call. </p>



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<li>What is our honest first objection to this, and is it about the students or about us?</li>



<li>If we tried it once this year, for one hire, what would we have to teach the students first?</li>



<li>Where else do we ask students their opinion and then not weight it?</li>
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<h4 id="h-5-close-the-to-be-list" class="wp-block-heading">5. Close: the to-be list</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Now, again, as I said at the end of the show I mentioned something my mother always said: you have to create your to-be list before you create your to-do list. There are an overwhelming number of things you <em>could</em> do. If you don&#8217;t know what you want to be, you have no way to choose the right one. Muriel says something similar in her own words: don&#8217;t get caught up in the whirlwind of the things that matter least.</p>



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<li>Each person writes three words for what <strong>this faculty wants to <em>be</em></strong> this year. Not goals. Words.</li>



<li>Collect them. What repeats? What&#8217;s missing that you expected to see?</li>



<li>What is one thing on the to-do list that the to-be list says we should stop?</li>
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<h3 id="h-three-words-above-the-door" class="wp-block-heading">Three Words Above the Door</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The simplest thing in this episode is something to discuss. Above the doors at A.B. Combs, where children saw them getting off the bus every morning, were the words: <strong>you are seen, you are known, and you are loved.</strong> Teachers were outside greeting children by name with music playing. What are the words you want students and visitors to see as they enter. What are the words you want them to see?</p>



<p class="cct-try wp-block-paragraph">What words do you want students to see when they come into your room? Go ahead and write them and put them over your door. You can start simple with words on the board if you like, but communicate a message to your students intentionally. </p>



<h3 id="h-more-free-resources-on-the-7-habits-and-school-culture" class="wp-block-heading">More Free Resources on the 7 Habits and School Culture</h3>



<h5 id="h-from-leader-in-me-and-franklincovey" class="wp-block-heading">From Leader in Me and FranklinCovey</h5>



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<li><a href="https://www.leaderinme.org/blog/7-ways-great-schools-welcome-new-teachers/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">7 Ways Great Schools Welcome New Teachers</a> — useful right now if you have new staff starting.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.leaderinme.org/families/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The 7 Habits of Highly Effective Families</a> — the five core paradigms written for parents. Good bones for a family night or a newsletter piece.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.leaderinme.org/blog/executive-summary-of-the-impact-of-leader-in-me-on-the-school-climate-and-student-behaviors-a-meta-analysis/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Executive Summary: The Impact of Leader in Me on School Climate and Student Behaviors</a> — for the person on your team who wants evidence before they&#8217;ll try anything.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.leaderinme.org/blog/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Leader in Me blog</a> — free, and deep on classroom culture, student voice, and leadership roles.</li>
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<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/becoming/">How to Become a Better Principal: Award Winning Principals Speak</a> — the Cool Cat Teacher Talk episode this conversation is drawn from, with Muriel alongside Ronn Nozoe of NASSP.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e960/">Data-Driven Leadership That Changes School Culture</a> with Dr. Deborah Dennie.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e910/">Transform Your School Culture with Steve Bollar</a>.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/s3e8/">Captivate, Care, and Culture</a> — a full Cool Cat Teacher Talk hour on classroom culture.</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This transcript was generated using AI and has been reviewed by humans for accuracy. Minor errors or artifacts may remain but I worked my best to find any issues with the transcript as I reviewed the show. – Vicki</em></p>



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<p><strong>Vicki Davis (00:00):</strong> How a school built its culture around the seven habits for highly effective people, and the academics followed. This is episode 965. Happy Motivational Monday.</p>
<p><strong>Announcer (00:13):</strong> This is the 10-Minute Teacher Podcast with your host, Vicki Davis.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (00:17):</strong> Today, we&#8217;re talking with Muriel Summers. She&#8217;s a principal who took a struggling Title I elementary school, A.B. Combs in Raleigh, North Carolina, and turned it into one of the most visited schools in the world by asking a question many of us need to be asking. What if every child could be a leader? Muriel is now FranklinCovey&#8217;s Global Ambassador, co-author of the newly updated A Leader in Me, and also the new book Teacher Believed in Me with David K. Hatch.</p>
<p>Muriel, you said that leadership isn&#8217;t a title or a personality trait. It&#8217;s a set of habits that can be taught. Take us back to 1999, your first year at A.B. Combs. What did you see that made you bet the whole school on that idea?</p>
<p><strong>Muriel Summers (01:13):</strong> Vicki, first of all, I am a big fan and quite honored to be part of this this morning. I&#8217;m reminded that through incredible challenge often comes wonderful opportunity. And I think if there was a quote that captured that first year for me as a principal, it would be that. I really didn&#8217;t even know what I was doing.</p>
<p>I had so longed to be a principal for a while, and that was my goal. The way this story goes is that several people applied to be the principal of A.B. Combs. When they did their homework, whatever their reason, they withdrew their names. I was the fifth person interviewed for this job, and I was the one who did not, embarrassingly enough, do my homework as much as I should have.</p>
<p>But nonetheless, I know now that I was given one of the greatest professional gifts of my lifetime to go in with like-minded, amazing educators with a belief that we could do something extraordinary. We approached our challenge of reinventing ourselves. And how were we going to do that? And the charge was that it could not be a theme like any other school.</p>
<p>It could not be like any other magnet school. And we wouldn&#8217;t have a lot of money in which to make it happen. So that was the charge before us, and I had just heard Dr. Covey speak in Washington, D.C. I was listening with the head of an administrator that had been issued this incredible challenge, but also the heart of a single mother of two small children.</p>
<p>How was I going to make all of this happen? So as I listened to Dr. Covey speak, I wondered if I had learned these habits much earlier in my life, how different my life might have been. And that was one question swirling around. And then the second question was, I wonder if you could teach leadership to young children.</p>
<p>So I listened to him and I was quite emotional, Vicki. I was quite emotional thinking about my own future, thinking about what my vision was. Habit number two, begin with the end in mind. Thinking how am I going to be proactive and use my time effectively when I had so many things juggling in the air.</p>
<p>But learning these habits gave me my toolkit to navigate a school and to navigate my life and to navigate my role as a mother, a friend, and all the other roles that we play. So I hear him speak. I go back to the school, and I&#8217;m like, we&#8217;ve got to reinvent ourselves. We don&#8217;t have much time.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just heard Covey speak. Do you think we can teach these habits? Now, mind you, Vicki, there was no framework for us to follow as educators. We read his book.</p>
<p>We read Sean Covey&#8217;s book, which I will lovingly and admiringly say that it&#8217;s the cliff notes of his father&#8217;s book. So it really related to our teachers in a way that they could take what Sean had written and pull any book off a shelf and find a way to teach these habits.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (04:23):</strong> So you&#8217;re talking about seven habits for highly effective people, and I&#8217;m assuming seven habits for highly effective people for teens, right?</p>
<p><strong>Muriel Summers (04:29):</strong> That&#8217;s exactly right. So we called in our parents, our students, our teachers, university professors, because we are like three miles from NC State University, 20 miles from UNC Chapel Hill. We asked the question, if you could create your ideal school. What would it look like, sound like, and feel like?</p>
<p>And we gathered all that feedback. Teachers wanted students that respected them. They wanted to work in an environment where they had a voice. Students wanted teachers who loved them.</p>
<p>Now, mind you, this was an elementary school. Business leaders were looking for a skill set quite different than an academic skill set. The comments that were made was, We can teach someone with average intelligence how to be successful in our organization, but we can&#8217;t teach them how to be trustworthy. We can&#8217;t teach them how to be collaborative.</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t teach them how to embrace diversity if it isn&#8217;t a part of who they are. Then parents, we just want a teacher who knows our child. We want them to know their child&#8217;s story. We want them to see their gifts beyond academics.</p>
<p>We took those seven habits, Vicki, and we aligned it with all that feedback, and it screamed leadership to us. So we just went to work. This is a philosophy. It&#8217;s not a program.</p>
<p>One of our core paradigms, our core beliefs, that every child has genius. So we went about creating a culture where children had roles and responsibilities, where their genius was recognized. We saw discipline go down almost instantly because children wanted to come to school and they wanted to be a part. So we started referring to everybody as a leader, Vicki.</p>
<p>And guess what? We not only viewed them that way, we also gave them opportunities to lead. So when you&#8217;ve got a culture of everyone is leading, everyone is important, everyone&#8217;s voice matters, everyone has genius. You don&#8217;t have to worry about the academics.</p>
<p>They just happen. But we fixed the culture, and we created a culture of leadership for all. And we went from one of the lowest performing to one of the highest performing. Everyone was working from the inside out to become all that we thought individually we could become.</p>
<p>And equally as important to create a school that every child wanted to come to that would leave a lasting impact.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (07:05):</strong> Take me on a verbal tour. Tell me what I would see from morning to when school ends, the types of things that students or teachers might be doing, and also your role.</p>
<p><strong>Muriel Summers (07:17):</strong> We had an incredible assistant principal whose name was Michael Armstrong, and he died at a very early age of 40. But Michael left a lasting impact, and he would always say, can you feel it? So the moment you would walk in the building, we wanted people to feel something. And Vicki, you know exactly what I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to be in a school very long, just a few minutes, to know what that school is about, about what you see, what you hear, and what you feel. When the children entered the building, there were big words right above the doors. So when they got off that bus, these were the words that they saw. And I feel like I&#8217;m going to get emotional, but you are seen, you are known.</p>
<p>And you are loved. And when they got off that bus, they would hear happy music playing. Teachers would be out greeting the children as they got off the bus, calling them by name was a requirement. You know every child&#8217;s name.</p>
<p>They would call them by name, always modeling. We model what we expect to see our children do. So they would walk, hear that fun music, hear their name being said. We&#8217;re so happy you&#8217;re here.</p>
<p>They&#8217;d walk up the steps, they&#8217;d look at those words. You are seen, you are known, you are loved. They&#8217;d walk in to the building. There was always someone standing there to greet them.</p>
<p>I helped to get children out of the cars so I could see the parents. And so everyone was in the hallway. Children would go to their classroom and they were greeted. Social etiquette, big part of what we taught as well.</p>
<p>They would either high five, shake the hand, do a little dance, do whatever. So that that first connection with their teacher was being made that day. The walls were required to teach and to reflect our students&#8217; genius. I always had some challenges with our fire marshals because when we had an art show, there were 900 pieces of art on the wall because every child had their art displayed because we wanted our children to see themselves as leaders in art, leaders in music, leaders in public speaking based on their genius and based on their passion.</p>
<p>My favorite teacher, Miss Rose. So much of Miss Rose is embedded in the culture of A.B. Combs. She told us every day it mattered not where we came from. What mattered was the size of our dreams and our hopes for our own future.</p>
<p>And we were the sons and daughters of cotton workers and mill workers and cotton farmers in rural North Carolina. So much of what is in the classrooms today becomes a reflection of each teacher&#8217;s favorite teacher. So we wanted the school to reflect leadership. I know you&#8217;re a collector of quotes.</p>
<p>There are a lot of quotes throughout the building. But they&#8217;re not just words, Vicki. We take our children several times during the year on a field trip throughout the school to say, what does this mean to you? What do you want this to look like?</p>
<p>The school is very much child-centered based on what children have said they wanted and also what we wanted the walls to teach. You will see the Seven Habits Tree in the building. You will see photographs of great leaders. That it&#8217;s very important to us that we put role models, great examples of great leaders in front of our students.</p>
<p>And whether we find that on the news or in a sports arena or in a piece of great literature, we&#8217;re always pointing out the characteristics of great leaders. The morning begins with a morning meeting. So every child is having a voice and a say. And those meetings are very powerful.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re as important as instruction as far as I&#8217;m concerned because they set the tone. And then every afternoon, we conclude with doing an evaluation on how we did in our classrooms. What went well? What are the opportunities for improvement tomorrow?</p>
<p>And the teacher stands in the doorway as each child leaves and tells him to have a great night. And that&#8217;s exactly what Miss Rose did. She would say, how am I going to make it to the next day without you? How am I going to make it through the night?</p>
<p>Because I&#8217;m going to miss you so much. And you know what, Vicki, we believed her. We believed she was going to miss us. And we loved her to pieces.</p>
<p>And the impact that one lady had on the lives of so many, your teacher, you as a teacher, and I hope. Me as a teacher, I hope I left a little bit of my heart in every child that I taught. I hope I leave a little bit of myself with them. Yeah.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (12:13):</strong> Take me back to when you would have a new teacher start at your school. What did you say?</p>
<p><strong>Muriel Summers (12:18):</strong> Well, before they were ever hired, students assisted me in the hiring process. And what I mean by that is a teacher jumped through several hoops to be a teacher at Combs. And one of those hoops was the administrators reviewing the file and saying, this person looks like they could be a good match. Then we brought children in and we never asked children, Vicki.</p>
<p>We taught them how to interview someone as young as five years old. Children know what they&#8217;re looking for in a teacher. We let them loose. Now, there was always an adult in the room with the children who were interviewing the teacher.</p>
<p>But the adult&#8217;s job was not to tell the children what to say, but to listen so that we could debrief afterwards and say, this is what you did well. Children, in essence, were learning how to interview as they interviewed a teacher. And children would ask the most amazing questions, Vicki, questions that we never thought about asking. And the teachers that we were interviewing would always say the student interview was by far the hardest.</p>
<p>They were not responsible for determining if a person got hired or not. But their voice mattered. And it mattered to us. There was only one time, Vicki, in all the 20 years that children were part of interviewing, did I go against what the children said?</p>
<p>It was like they were looking for the same things we were looking for. But this was a gentleman who had a degree from a local university. He had this business background of systems thinking, and I was so intrigued by it. No matter how good you are, continuous improvement, how do you get better?</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (14:05):</strong> He had that. Sharpen the saw, right?</p>
<p><strong>Muriel Summers (14:07):</strong> Exactly. But he had a business skill set that I didn&#8217;t have, and I thought how valuable he would be on our team. So he had majored in business, an MBA degree in business, but had always wanted to be a teacher, or so he thought he did. The children said he&#8217;s very smart so he&#8217;s a genius he&#8217;s a leader in intelligence because they picked up on this man was very smart, but we don&#8217;t think he gets kids.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m like, tell me more. We just don&#8217;t think he gets what kids are about. I thought, well, they&#8217;re gonna learn to like him, and I need him, and we&#8217;re gonna hire him. He lasted until November.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (14:47):</strong> Oh, my goodness. So the kids were right.</p>
<p><strong>Muriel Summers (14:49):</strong> The kids were right. Dr. Covey would say, a little child shall lead us. And I think that was really the fabric of everything. Let our children lead.</p>
<p>Let them have a voice.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (15:04):</strong> What are some things I can bring to my classroom tomorrow?</p>
<p><strong>Muriel Summers (15:09):</strong> There are over 8,500 schools in over 60 countries around the world that are teaching the same thing that we started at A.B. Combs. So there is that framework. But this leader in me and teacher believed in me go hand in hand, teacher believed in me, because we wanted to give homage to great teachers. What do great teachers do differently?</p>
<p>So that quote, never underestimate what a committed group of people can do, because, indeed, it&#8217;s what has changed the world. And I do think in a very small way, A.B. Combs has changed the world in terms of what schools should look like, sound like, and feel like based on the hearts of teachers and the hopes and dreams of children. If I can do it, Vicki, anybody can do it. Not to get caught up in the whirlwind, of those things that matter least.</p>
<p>But let us stay focused on what matters most. And to me, it&#8217;s just love them. Just love the teachers, love the children enough that you will give your very best to help them all succeed.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (16:26):</strong> My mom, who was a great teacher and my closest mentor and who loved the seven habits, um, Always said, you&#8217;ve got to create your to-be list before you create your to-do list. Because the things you do, they&#8217;re just an overwhelming number of things that you could do. But if you don&#8217;t know what you want to be, you have no ability to determine the right thing to do. We&#8217;ve been talking with Muriel Summers.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s a principal who took a struggling Title I elementary school, A.B. Combs in Raleigh, North Carolina. She has an updated book of The Leader in Me, a new book, Teacher Believed in Me. Muriel, thank you so much for coming on the show, for coming.</p>
<p><strong>Muriel Summers (17:13):</strong> Vicki, thank you. Thank you so much for the opportunity.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (17:18):</strong> Thanks for tuning in to the 10-Minute Teacher Podcast. Watch the video version of this podcast and catch my new radio and TV show, Cool Cat Teacher Talk, on YouTube and a radio or TV station near you. Join my Cool Cat Teacher Classroom Matters newsletter at coolcatteacher.com forward slash newsletter. Leave a review if you found this helpful.</p>
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<p>Leadership is not a personality you're born with — it can be learned, and it can be taught. Ronn Nozoe, CEO of the National Principals Association, on what principals really say about AI and why the number one thing they need is time. Then Muriel Summers on rebuilding a Title I school around one idea: everyone in the building is a leader, including the five-year-olds who interview teacher candidates.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Leadership. It is something we can learn. I’ve had some of the greatest principals and some of the worst. But here’s something ironic. Sometimes they have been the same person. If that is the case, leadership is something that can be learned. And we as leaders can be at our best or worst. But one thing is for sure, we’re never staying the same.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In Part 1 we talk about leadership and who we decide to become as a leader. First, we hear from Ronn Nozoe, the CEO of the National Principals Association (used to be NASSP), about an AI survey and the interesting notes on the schools that are doing it well. Then, we talk to the principal of the school who put Stephen Covey’s 7 habits into practice in their school, Muriel Summers. This is part 1 of a two-part series on leadership. Let’s learn.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Also, I&#8217;ll be posting part 2 on this show with an award winning middle school and high school principal. They will talk about cell phone policies, how to reach every student and help them improve, and about relationships and leading with love while improving attendance and discipline in their schools.</p>



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<h2 id="h-listen-to-the-show-part-1" class="wp-block-heading">Listen to the Show &#8211; Part 1</h2>


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<h2 id="h-resources-from-the-show" class="wp-block-heading">Resources from the Show</h2>



<h3 id="h-books-from-this-episode" class="wp-block-heading">Books from this episode</h3>



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<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Leader-Me-Schools-Inspiring-Greatness/dp/1668085682?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>The Leader in Me: How Schools and Parents Around the World Are Inspiring Greatness, One Student at a Time</em></a> — Stephen R. Covey, with Muriel Summers. The book that grew out of what Muriel and her staff built at A.B. Combs.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Teacher-Believed-Me-Difference-Well-Being/dp/1668210398?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Teacher Believed in Me: The Science and Heart of Making a Difference in Students’ Positive Well-Being</em></a> — David K. Hatch and Muriel Summers. Muriel’s newest book.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Habits-Highly-Effective-People/dp/1982137274?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People</em></a> — Stephen R. Covey. The framework Muriel heard him present in Washington, D.C., and then taught to five-year-olds.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Habits-Highly-Effective-Teens/dp/1476764662?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>The 7 Habits of Highly Effective Teens</em></a> — Sean Covey. Muriel calls this the version her teachers could actually use.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/8th-Habit-Effectiveness-Greatness/dp/0743287932?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>The 8th Habit: From Effectiveness to Greatness</em></a> — Stephen R. Covey. The book in which Covey wrote about what A.B. Combs was beginning to do.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Multipliers-Revised-Updated-Leaders-Everyone/dp/0062663070?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Multipliers: How the Best Leaders Make Everyone Smarter</em></a> — Liz Wiseman. The multipliers-and-diminishers idea Vicki brings into the close.</li>
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<h3 id="h-topic-specific-resource-links" class="wp-block-heading">Topic-specific resource links</h3>



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<li><a href="https://www.nassp.org/">NASSP — the National Principals Association</a>. As of July 1, 2026, NASSP expanded to serve school leaders from pre-K through high school under the new name. Ronn Nozoe is the CEO.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.nassp.org/about-nassp/ronn-nozoe/">Ronn Nozoe’s leadership page at NASSP</a>.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.leaderinme.org/">Leader in Me (FranklinCovey)</a> — the program that grew out of A.B. Combs, now in more than 8,000 schools and 70+ countries. <em>Editor’s note: on the recording Muriel cites roughly 8,500 schools in more than 60 countries; the current published figures are 8,000+ schools in 70+ countries.</em></li>



<li><a href="https://www.wcpss.net/abcombs">A.B. Combs Leadership Magnet Elementary School</a>, Raleigh, North Carolina.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/justin-reich-6a71b23/">Justin Reich</a>, MIT — the colleague who put Vicki onto Patrick O’Neill’s review.</li>
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<h3 id="h-people-and-ideas-referenced" class="wp-block-heading">People and ideas referenced</h3>



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<li><strong>Michael Catt</strong> — Vicki’s former pastor, quoted in the opening: “Leadership is hard. It requires that you constantly self-evaluate and face up to your own shortcomings.”</li>



<li><strong>Todd Whitaker</strong> — the researcher on what the best principals do differently, including quietly consulting informal teacher leaders before a big decision.</li>



<li><strong>Liz Wiseman</strong> — multipliers versus diminishers.</li>



<li><strong>Stephen R. Covey</strong> and <strong>Sean Covey</strong> — the 7 Habits framework at the center of Muriel’s segment.</li>



<li><strong>David K. Hatch</strong> — Muriel’s co-author on <em>Teacher Believed in Me</em>.</li>



<li><strong>Patrick O’Neill</strong>, faculty member at Ivy Tech Community College in Bloomington, Indiana — his forensic review of 14 meta-analyses on generative AI in education.</li>



<li><strong>Grace Adkins</strong> — Vicki’s second-grade teacher and mentor, who retired on her 95th birthday after 75 years of teaching and said “every child a winner.” </li>



<li><strong>Miss Rose</strong> and <strong>Miss Honey</strong> — the two teachers whose stories anchor Muriel’s segment..</li>
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<h2 id="h-key-takeaways-for-teachers" class="wp-block-heading">Key Takeaways for Teachers</h2>



<h3 id="h-from-ronn-nozoe-leadership-is-a-we-thing" class="wp-block-heading">From Ronn Nozoe: leadership is a “we” thing</h3>



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<li><strong>Most principals are already moving on AI — and almost none feel expert.</strong> In the survey from NASSP and Vicki Davis, roughly seven in ten said they are already immersed in AI and moving forward with it. Only about 18 percent said they feel very confident leading AI implementation next year, with a little over half saying somewhat confident.</li>



<li><strong>The number one thing school leaders asked for was not money. It was time.</strong> Ronn compares it to research and development in business: schools rarely reinvest in dedicated, well-resourced planning and collaboration time, and it shows.</li>



<li><strong>Success is subtraction, not addition.</strong> Vicki names it and Ronn agrees — the next move in education is taking things off the plate, not stacking more on. He describes running an actual “off-the-plate committee” as a principal that could never take anything off, because everything felt important.</li>



<li><strong>The best ideas came from a teacher round table.</strong> Back in Hawaii, Ronn gave teacher leaders time and got out of the way. They solved problem after problem the front office could not.</li>



<li><strong>Teachers: go talk to your principal.</strong> Ronn’s direct advice is not to wait to be invited. Say the thing you can help with. Most principals do not know how their teachers actually feel until someone tells them.</li>
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<h3 id="h-from-muriel-summers-everyone-in-the-building-is-a-leader" class="wp-block-heading">From Muriel Summers: everyone in the building is a leader</h3>



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<li><strong>Leadership is a set of habits, and habits can be taught.</strong> Muriel heard Stephen Covey speak, went back to a struggling Title I school, and asked whether you could teach those habits to a five-year-old. The answer turned out to be yes.</li>



<li><strong>Every child has genius.</strong> That is a stated core belief at A.B. Combs, not a slogan — and once children saw their own genius recognized, disciplinary action dropped almost immediately.</li>



<li><strong>Children read three sentences on their way in every morning.</strong> Above the door: <em>You are seen. You are known. You are loved.</em> Ask what your students read on their way into your room.</li>



<li><strong>Students as young as five interviewed teacher candidates.</strong> They were taught how to interview, an adult sat in but did not coach, and Muriel says the children’s read on a candidate was consistently the hardest and most accurate part of the process.</li>



<li><strong>Start with what you already have.</strong> Muriel’s answer for a teacher who wants to begin tomorrow is not a purchase order — it is teaching the habits inside the books already on your shelf.</li>
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<p style="margin:0;font-size:16px;line-height:1.6;color:#03256c;">You don’t need a title to be a leader in your building. Both guests land in the same place: the leader you are today is not the leader you have to stay — and the same is true of every child in your room.</p>
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<h2 id="h-about-the-guests" class="wp-block-heading">About the Guests</h2>



<h3 id="h-ronn-nozoe" class="wp-block-heading">Ronn Nozoe</h3>



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<p style="margin:0;font-size:19px;line-height:1.55;color:#ffffff;font-style:italic;">“When people get out of that and they start realizing that this is a we thing, we’re all in it together, that’s where the real magic happens… to the non-educators, it’s not really magic. It’s pain and suffering and sacrifice and struggle. But it looks like magic on the outside.”</p>
<p style="margin:12px 0 0;font-size:16px;line-height:1.4;color:#ffba08;font-weight:700;">Ronn Nozoe</p>
<p style="margin:2px 0 0;font-size:14px;line-height:1.4;color:#ffffff;">Chief Executive Officer, NASSP</p>
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<figure class="is-resized"><img decoding="async" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Ronn-Nozoe-headshot-scaled.jpg" alt="Ronn Nozoe, CEO of the National Principals Association" style="width:300px"/><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Ronn Nozoe, CEO of NASSP, now the National Principal&#8217;s Association.</figcaption></figure>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Ronn Nozoe is a lifelong educator and CEO of NASSP, an organization dedicated to advancing school leadership to transform education. Previously, he served as associate and interim executive director at ASCD and as deputy assistant secretary at the U.S. Department of Education, where he led initiatives in teacher quality, school safety, and rural, migrant, and Indigenous education.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">In Hawaii, Nozoe served as deputy state superintendent from 2010–15, amplifying principals’ voices and leveraging state and federal funds to improve student outcomes. He has also served as a district superintendent, principal, vice principal, and teacher.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Nozoe holds bachelor’s and master’s degrees from the University of Hawaii at Mānoa.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Connect:</strong> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronn-nozoe/">LinkedIn</a> · <a href="https://www.nassp.org/">nassp.org</a></p>



<h3 id="h-muriel-summers" class="wp-block-heading">Muriel Summers</h3>



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<p style="margin:0;font-size:19px;line-height:1.55;color:#ffffff;font-style:italic;">“They’d walk up the steps, they’d look at those words. You are seen, you are known, you are loved.”</p>
<p style="margin:12px 0 0;font-size:16px;line-height:1.4;color:#ffba08;font-weight:700;">Muriel Summers</p>
<p style="margin:2px 0 0;font-size:14px;line-height:1.4;color:#ffffff;">Global Ambassador, Leader in Me; former principal, A.B. Combs Elementary</p>
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<figure class="is-resized"><img decoding="async" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Muriel-Summers-headshot.png" alt="Muriel Summers, Global Ambassador for Leader in Me" style="width:300px"/><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Muriel Summers, the award winning principal who built a school around the 7 Habits for Highly Effective People and saw incredible results in her Title 1 school as a result.</figcaption></figure>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">From the minute she stepped into the classroom, Muriel Summers has always viewed teaching as a calling. As a principal, she twice guided her school, A.B. Combs Elementary in Raleigh, North Carolina, to being named the top magnet school of America. The school also became the original leadership school featured in FranklinCovey’s <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Leader-Me-Schools-Inspiring-Greatness/dp/1668085682?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Leader in Me</em></a>. The vision and strategies she and her remarkable staff developed are now being replicated in over 8,000 schools and more than seventy countries. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">She bears the honor of having received several awards, including teacher of the year, principal of the year, and an honorary doctorate. She was awarded the William and Ida Friday award for Leadership in Innovation, The Order of the Long Leaf Pine given by the Governor of North Carolina (the state’s highest honor given to a North Carolinian), the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Award for Leadership in Education, and the Ralph Kimmel Award, North Carolina’s highest honor for principals. She now serves as the Global Ambassador for the <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Leader-Me-Schools-Inspiring-Greatness/dp/1668085682?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Leader in Me</em></a> and keynotes at conferences across the US and abroad.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Connect:</strong> <a href="https://www.leaderinme.org/">leaderinme.org</a></p>



<h2 id="h-coming-next-week-leadership-part-2-leading-with-love" class="wp-block-heading">Coming Next Week: Leadership, Part 2 — Leading With Love</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This was part one of a two-part series. Part two is <strong>Leading With Love</strong>, and it takes everything above out of theory and into a real building on a real Monday morning. Two of America’s National Principals of the Year show what it actually looks like when you lead with heart — one in a middle school where belonging is measured and tracked, one in a high school where a restorative framework cut office referrals by 69 percent. Bring a tissue for this one too.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Part two airs next week and will be added right here on this page</strong> — same link, so you can bookmark it now. Here are the two guests you’ll meet.</p>



<h3 id="h-sonia-e-ruiz" class="wp-block-heading">Sonia E. Ruiz</h3>



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<p style="margin:0;font-size:19px;line-height:1.55;color:#ffffff;font-style:italic;">“So I care for every student that walks in our building, I care for who they are right now, and I care for who they’re gonna be in the future.”</p>
<p style="margin:12px 0 0;font-size:16px;line-height:1.4;color:#ffba08;font-weight:700;">Sonia E. Ruiz</p>
<p style="margin:2px 0 0;font-size:14px;line-height:1.4;color:#ffffff;">Principal, Jane Addams Middle School; 2026 National Middle Level Principal of the Year</p>
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<figure class="is-resized"><img decoding="async" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Sonia-Ruiz-headshot-scaled.jpeg" alt="Sonia E. Ruiz, 2026 National Middle Level Principal of the Year" style="width:300px"/><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Sonia Ruiz, NASSP&#8217;s 2026 Middle Level Principal of the Year</figcaption></figure>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Sonia E. Ruiz is the Principal of Jane Addams Middle School in Bolingbrook, Illinois, where her leadership has guided the school to Exemplary Status for three years in a row. A proud Latina leader, Sonia has dedicated her career to ensuring that every student learns at high levels in safe, supportive, and inclusive school communities.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Her leadership journey spans more than two decades, beginning with her early years as a school social worker and progressing through roles as assistant principal, associate principal, and now principal. Throughout her career, she has been recognized for transforming school culture, strengthening teacher collective efficacy, and advancing equitable practices. In recognition of her impact, Sonia was honored as the 2021 Lake County IPA Assistant Principal of the Year, the 2025 Three Rivers Middle School Principal of the Year, the 2025 Illinois Middle School Principal of the Year, the 2025 Illinois NAESP National Distinguished Principal of the Year, the 2026 NASSP Illinois Middle Level Principal of the Year, and, most recently, the 2026 National Middle Level Principal of the Year.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Beyond her school community, Sonia serves the profession at both the state and national levels. She is the current Diversity and Equity Chair for the Illinois Principals Association (IPA), was appointed to the Illinois State Board of Education’s Inclusive American History Commission, and will serve on the 2025–2026 IPA State Superintendent’s Advisory Council. Nationally, she is a member of the NAESP National Task Force on Race and Equity and was selected to attend the National School Leaders Advocacy Conference in Washington, D.C., in March 2025, an invitation-only gathering of principals from across the country. She also participated in the inaugural AASA Aspiring Superintendents Academy for Latina and Latino Leaders.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">She earned her Bachelor’s degree in Psychology and Master’s degree in School Social Work from the University of Illinois at Chicago, where she also founded Gamma Phi Omega International Sorority, Inc. She later earned a Master’s degree in Educational Leadership from Concordia University Chicago and is currently pursuing her Ph.D. in Educational Administration and Foundations at Illinois State University, with a focus on Leadership, Equity, and Inquiry.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Connect:</strong> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sonia-ruiz-00016b14b">LinkedIn</a> · <a href="https://twitter.com/MrsSoniaRuiz">@MrsSoniaRuiz</a></p>



<h3 id="h-amanda-jamerson-ajam-the-advocate" class="wp-block-heading">Amanda Jamerson (AJAM the Advocate)</h3>



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<p style="margin:0;font-size:19px;line-height:1.55;color:#ffffff;font-style:italic;">“We have to follow and do our steps as the adults, as the lead learners in the space… if we’re not doing that, then how do we expect our students to?”</p>
<p style="margin:12px 0 0;font-size:16px;line-height:1.4;color:#ffba08;font-weight:700;">Amanda Jamerson</p>
<p style="margin:2px 0 0;font-size:14px;line-height:1.4;color:#ffffff;">Associate Principal, Shorewood High School; 2026 National High School Assistant Principal of the Year</p>
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<figure class="is-resized"><img decoding="async" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/AP-Jamerson-headshot-scaled.jpg" alt="Amanda Jamerson, 2026 National High School Assistant Principal of the Year" style="width:300px"/><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">AP Jamerson, also called &#8220;AJAM the Advocate&#8221; is a national finalist for assistant principal of the year. </figcaption></figure>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Amanda Jamerson, also known as <a href="https://www.ajamtheadvocate.com/">AJAM the Advocate</a>, is an accomplished educational leader and advocate recognized for advancing excellence in teaching, learning, and student support across Southeastern Wisconsin. Throughout the Greater Milwaukee area, she is known for her deep passion for serving students, families, and school communities with purpose and integrity.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Amanda currently serves as the <strong>Associate Principal of Shorewood High School</strong>, where she leads with a strong commitment to equity, growth, and excellence. She believes deeply that showing up for students and school communities is <strong>heart work</strong>, and she leads each day with purpose, compassion, and an unwavering commitment to equity and excellence. During her tenure, she designed and implemented a <strong>Restorative Actions Framework</strong> that reduced office discipline referrals by <strong>69 percent over three years</strong>, while deepening student understanding of empathy and accountability. She also co-launched a comprehensive <strong>cell phone policy</strong> that promotes digital balance and has resulted in improved classroom focus and fewer peer conflicts.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Her impact has been recognized at both the state and national levels, as she was named <strong>Wisconsin’s Associate Principal of the Year</strong> and selected as a national finalist for <strong>NASSP’s 2026 National Assistant Principal of the Year</strong>. She went on to <a href="https://www.nassp.org/news/4-school-leaders-named-national-principals-and-assistant-principals-of-the-year/">win that national award</a> on April 17, 2026, becoming the 2026 National High School Assistant Principal of the Year.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Connect:</strong> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/amandajjamerson">LinkedIn</a> · <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ajamtheadvocate">@ajamtheadvocate</a> · <a href="https://www.facebook.com/Ajamtheadvocate">Facebook</a> · <a href="https://www.ajamtheadvocate.com/">ajamtheadvocate.com</a></p>



<h3 id="h-listen-to-part-2" class="wp-block-heading">Listen to Part 2</h3>



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<h3 id="h-resources-from-part-2" class="wp-block-heading">Resources from Part 2</h3>



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<h3 id="h-key-takeaways-from-part-2" class="wp-block-heading">Key Takeaways from Part 2</h3>



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<h3 id="h-part-2-transcript" class="wp-block-heading">Part 2 Transcript</h3>



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<h2 id="h-other-shows-for-teachers-like-you" class="wp-block-heading">Other Shows for Teachers Like You</h2>



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					<description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e964/" title="Free BBC Resources for Your Classroom: Dinosaurs, Bluey, Planet Earth and News" rel="nofollow"><img width="1024" height="576" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/946-kimmie-fink-thumbnail2v2-1024x576.png" class="webfeedsFeaturedVisual wp-post-image" alt="" style="display: block; margin: auto; margin-bottom: 5px;max-width: 100%;" link_thumbnail="1" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/946-kimmie-fink-thumbnail2v2-1024x576.png 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/946-kimmie-fink-thumbnail2v2-300x169.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/946-kimmie-fink-thumbnail2v2-768x432.png 768w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/946-kimmie-fink-thumbnail2v2-1170x658.png 1170w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/946-kimmie-fink-thumbnail2v2-585x329.png 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/946-kimmie-fink-thumbnail2v2.png 1280w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a><p>From the Cool Cat Teacher Blog by Vicki Davis <P>Subscribe to the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast and Cool Cat Teacher Talk anywhere you listen to podcasts.</p>
<p>Free BBC classroom resources you can use tomorrow — ad-free videos, leveled reading articles, Bluey SEL lessons, a Walking with Dinosaurs field trip, and a daily news bite for media literacy. Kimmie Fink of the BBC Learning Hub shows teachers where to start. All of it free.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Free, high quality, ad-free resources are becoming a treasure to teachers. The BBC Learning Hub has these resources. From Walking with Dinosaurs, to Planet Earth, to Bluey content that helps kids relate, connect, and learn — the BBC Learning Hub has free resources that every classroom can use.</p>


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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">At ISTE, I first met Kimmie Fink, today&#8217;s guest, at her BBC booth. I really could barely get to her because so many teachers were coming by to get the printables for the Bluey content they have on their site. These printables are all available for free on their website for teachers to download and use along with the videos. All of this content can easily be sent to Google Classroom, as well. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Teachers kept asking what the premium version of BBC Learning Hub was — and the answer was: the BBC Learning Hub is free and it is the premium version. Award-winning teacher Kimmie Fink talks about the resources on the site, the most popular videos and handouts she has curated, and what teachers love to share with their students. I highly recommend the BBC Learning Hub and appreciate their sponsorship of my time at ISTE 2026 this year. Let&#8217;s have a Fab Idea Friday as we talk about the free resources at the BBC Learning Hub.</p>



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<p style="margin:0;font-size:19px;line-height:1.55;color:#ffffff;font-style:italic;">“Somebody asked me, she said, so is there a free version in addition to a paid version? And I said, no — there’s only free.”</p>
<p style="margin:12px 0 0;font-size:16px;line-height:1.4;color:#ffba08;font-weight:700;">Kimmie Fink</p>
<p style="margin:2px 0 0;font-size:14px;line-height:1.4;color:#ffffff;">Senior Editor, BBC Learning Hub</p>
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<h2 id="h-listen-to-the-show" class="wp-block-heading">Listen to the Show</h2>


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<h2 id="h-key-takeaways-for-teachers-from-kimmie-fink" class="wp-block-heading">Key Takeaways for Teachers from Kimmie Fink</h2>



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<li><strong>&#8220;There&#8217;s only free&#8221; is the whole business model.</strong> You can watch every video without an account, and a free login unlocks the printables, your own playlists, and Google Classroom assignments.</li>



<li><strong>Bluey is a draw for teachers of younger students.</strong> The BBC Learning Hub is the home of the only licensed Bluey learning materials. They have fifteen free lessons on friendship, feelings, and reading body language. For a child working on nonverbal cues, it can really help teach behavior skills.</li>



<li><strong>Leveled articles throughout the site.</strong> Articles pulled from BBC magazines are leveled for grades 3–5, 6–8, and 9–12, with vocabulary built in. Every reader in the room engages the same content at their own level.</li>



<li><strong>Take the piece you need, not the whole unit.</strong> Kimmie built the Walking with Dinosaurs field trip as a 45–60 minute student exploration with a full teacher guide. However, there is flexibility, as you can pull one dig-site video and stop there. As she put it, everything is not like a massive production.</li>
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<p style="margin:0;font-size:16px;line-height:1.6;color:#03256c;">Open the <a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/newsroom" style="color:#2599ff;">BBC Newsroom</a> and play the day&#8217;s Newsbite as your bell-ringer. It&#8217;s a short news clip with questions already written and a response worksheet you can print. Five minutes of media literacy, no prep, and it&#8217;s new every school day.</p>
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<h2 id="h-every-resource-kimmie-mentioned-on-the-show" class="wp-block-heading">Every Resource Kimmie Mentioned on the Show</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Everything below is free on the <a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/">BBC Learning Hub</a>. You can watch any video without an account. A free login is what unlocks the printables, your own playlists, and sending it all to Google Classroom, so I would set up an account for that. If you want to keep up with what is new, sign up for their newsletter.</p>



<h3 id="h-start-here" class="wp-block-heading">Start Here</h3>


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<li><a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/">BBC Learning Hub home page</a> — Kimmie&#8217;s first recommendation. The new top navigation is built to show you the breadth of what&#8217;s there in one look.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/newsroom">BBC Newsroom and the daily Newsbite</a> — her answer for what a teacher can use tomorrow morning. A new five-minute news clip every school day with comprehension questions and differentiated response worksheets already written.</li>
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<h3 id="h-bluey" class="wp-block-heading">Bluey</h3>



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<li><a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/microsites/bluey">Bluey: Feelings, Friendship, and Other SEL Skills</a> — the fifteen free lessons Kimmie mentions, for ages 4–7. Each one ties to a Bluey episode with discussion prompts and printable activities. These are the only licensed Bluey learning materials anywhere.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/blogs/bluey-activities">Our 10 Favorite Bluey Activities and Arts and Crafts</a> — the printables teachers were lining up for at ISTE. Print in color or black and white.</li>
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<figure class="wp-block-image size-large"><img decoding="async" width="1920" height="655" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-2026-08-06-at-7.27.48-PM-scaled.png" alt="More free Bluey printable handouts and activity pages from the BBC Learning Hub for early elementary teachers" class="wp-image-35101" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-2026-08-06-at-7.27.48-PM-scaled.png 1920w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-2026-08-06-at-7.27.48-PM-300x102.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-2026-08-06-at-7.27.48-PM-1024x349.png 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-2026-08-06-at-7.27.48-PM-768x262.png 768w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-2026-08-06-at-7.27.48-PM-1536x524.png 1536w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-2026-08-06-at-7.27.48-PM-2048x698.png 2048w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-2026-08-06-at-7.27.48-PM-1170x399.png 1170w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-2026-08-06-at-7.27.48-PM-585x199.png 585w" sizes="(max-width: 1920px) 100vw, 1920px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">More free Bluey handouts. Sign up on BBC Learning Hub.</figcaption></figure>



<h3 id="h-walking-with-dinosaurs" class="wp-block-heading">Walking with Dinosaurs</h3>



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<li><a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/microsites/walking-with-dinosaurs-virtual-field-trip">Walking with Dinosaurs Virtual Field Trip</a> — This is a cool one. Six dig sites for grades 3–8, an interactive map students explore in any order, twelve videos pairing a real dig with the CGI dinosaur, a quiz at each stop, the paleontologist field journal, and the &#8220;what dinosaur are you&#8221; personality quiz. A full teacher guide comes with it: standards alignment, extension activities, and a complete lesson plan. Figure 45 to 60 minutes for the whole thing — or pull one video and stop there.</li>
</ul>



<h3 id="h-planet-earth-and-sir-david-attenborough" class="wp-block-heading">Planet Earth and Sir David Attenborough</h3>



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<li><a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/microsites/planet-earth">Your Passport to 20 Years of BBC&#8217;s Planet Earth</a> — the printable passport for grades 3–5 that students fill in as they work through the clips.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/playlists/planet-earth-videos">The Ultimate Planet Earth Playlist</a> — the eight most popular clips Kimmie curated, 32 minutes total: polar bears, bobcats, catfish, marine iguanas, cave swiftlets, the mouse lemurs in Madagascar she describes on the show, dolphins, and emperor penguins.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/playlists/david-attenborough-videos">Video Playlist: The Best of Sir David Attenborough</a> — ten clips from Planet Earth, Blue Planet, and Frozen Planet, including the polar bear cubs Kimmie names as a writing-prompt starter.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/collections/planet-earth-quizzes">Planet Earth Quizzes</a> — check for understanding without writing anything yourself.</li>
</ul>



<h3 id="h-ela-and-reading" class="wp-block-heading">ELA and Reading</h3>



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<li><a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/blogs/leveled-student-reading-passages">Leveled Non-Fiction Student Reading Passages</a> — the piece I&#8217;d point a curriculum director to first. The same article written three ways: grades 3–5 (Lexile 400–800), 6–8 (800–1200), and 9–12 (1000–1400), pulled from BBC Science Focus, HistoryExtra, and Discover Wildlife, with vocabulary built in and a bundle of response worksheets that work with any article.</li>



<li>Every video on the site has a writing prompt attached to it. You can pick a clip your students will care about and the prompt is already there.</li>
</ul>



<h3 id="h-math-and-early-literacy" class="wp-block-heading">Math and Early Literacy</h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/collections/numberblocks">Numberblocks Fun: Playful Math Activities for PreK–2</a> — 50+ free printables covering number sense, odd and even, counting, addition, times tables, and patterns. Explainer videos for math are still in development.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/collections/alphablocks">Alphablocks Letter Play: Early Reading Activities for PreK–2</a> — the companion phonics set: alphabet tiles, tracing, sounding out and blending.</li>
</ul>



<h3 id="h-the-chimpanzee-story-kimmie-tells" class="wp-block-heading">The Chimpanzee Story Kimmie Tells</h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/microsites/chimpanzees">The Chimpanzee Files</a> — videos, a printable fact file, and a quiz for ages 8 and up, including the Jane Goodall documentaries that turned a dry reading anthology into something her students cared about.</li>
</ul>



<h3 id="h-browse-by-subject" class="wp-block-heading">Browse by Subject</h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/science-environment">Science and Environment</a> — first thing in the top nav.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/history-global-studies">History and Global Studies</a> — the social studies, global, and international content.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/microsites/my-world-media-literacy">My World: Media Literacy</a> — how news gets made and how to evaluate it.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/microsites/sharks">Shark Interactive</a> and <a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/microsites/go-jetters">Go Jetters</a> — two more interactive experiences, including world landmarks for pre-K through second grade.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Kimmie also mentions that the site refreshes seasonally — bats in October, a Halloween Bluey worksheet, an article on the Fourth of July and the history behind it. Worth checking the subject pages at the start of each month. And there&#8217;s a lot more on their site.</p>



<h3 id="h-more-from-kimmie" class="wp-block-heading">More from Kimmie</h3>



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<li><a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/blogs/authors/kimmie-fink">Kimmie Fink&#8217;s posts on the BBC Learning Hub blog</a></li>
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<h2 id="h-about-kimmie-fink" class="wp-block-heading">About Kimmie Fink</h2>


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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Kimmie Fink is the Senior Editor of the BBC Learning Hub. She has 13 years of classroom teaching experience, holds a Master of Education in Curriculum and Instruction, and was the 2009 Puget Sound Teacher of the Year.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Website:</strong> <a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/">bbclearninghub.com</a><br />
<strong>Facebook:</strong> <a href="https://www.facebook.com/bbclearninghub">BBC Learning Hub</a><br />
<strong>Instagram / Threads:</strong> @bbclearninghub<br />
<strong>Blog:</strong> <a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/blogs/authors/kimmie-fink">Kimmie&#8217;s posts on the BBC Learning Hub</a></p>



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<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/humans-teaching-humans-about-the-machine-ai-and-edtech-supershare-part-2/">Cool Cat Teacher Talk S7E1: Humans Teaching Humans About the Machine — AI and Edtech SuperShare, Part 2</a> — Kimmie&#8217;s original segment, recorded on the floor at ISTE 2026.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/iste2026">ISTE 2026: What AI and Edtech in K-12 Schools Actually Looks Like Now</a> — the full Cool Cat Teacher Talk ISTE 2026 super series hub.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e956">Episode 956: How to Teach AI in Any Classroom, Not Just CS Class</a> with Karim Meghji of CodeAI — another free-curriculum conversation from ISTE 2026.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e946">Episode 946: A Real Teacher Sparking Curiosity Makes All the Difference</a> with Brandie Wright — human connection in the age of AI, also recorded at ISTE 2026.</li>
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<li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/1CbwslaXSlpgIsAvtmNWtw">Spotify</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@coolcatteacher">YouTube</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/category/podcast/">All 10 Minute Teacher Episodes</a></li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Pick one resource from this episode, build a free playlist, and send it to your students before the week is out.</p>



<h2 id="h-episode-transcript" class="wp-block-heading">Episode Transcript</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This transcript was generated using AI and has been reviewed by humans for accuracy. Minor errors or artifacts may remain but I worked my best to find any issues with the transcript as I reviewed the show. – Vicki</em></p>



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<p><strong>Vicki Davis (00:01):</strong> Free BBC Resources for Your Classroom. Episode 964. For Fab Idea Friday.</p>
<p>Today we talk about all kinds of free BBC storytelling with lesson plans built by a former teacher.</p>
<p>Number one, check out Bluey — 15 free lessons on friendship, feeling, and reading body language.</p>
<p>Two, every video has leveled articles. Same article, three reading levels.</p>
<p>Three, check out their amazing interactive field trips — Walking with Dinosaurs, Planet Earth Passport, and more.</p>
<p><strong>Announcer (00:35):</strong> This is the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast with your host, Vicki Davis.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (00:39):</strong> Today&#8217;s show is sponsored by the BBC Learning Hub — a free library of ad-free BBC videos and ready-to-teach lesson plans for pre-K through twelfth grade. Stay tuned at the end of the show to learn more.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (00:53):</strong> Our next guest, Kimmie Fink, spent 13 years teaching. She was named Puget Sound Teacher of the Year, and now she&#8217;s Senior Editor at the BBC Learning Hub. She helps bring BBC&#8217;s world-class storytelling — from Planet Earth to Walking with Dinosaurs — to everyday classrooms with free, ready-to-use resources.</p>
<p>So we&#8217;re at ISTE 2026. First of all, these resources are free. As you&#8217;re pulling together content, what did you start, like, looking at to design the content to bring it to classrooms?</p>
<p><strong>Kimmie Fink (01:23):</strong> Yeah, you know, I think for me, getting to work for the BBC is kind of a dream, because there&#8217;s so much amazing content out there. And you know that it&#8217;s trusted, that it&#8217;s accurate, that it&#8217;s well produced. And I know how much my students enjoyed, in particular, engaging with video — and how hard it was to find quality video, especially on YouTube. It&#8217;s full of ads, right?</p>
<p>And so having something that is just safe for my students to watch and that I know is of great quality. We&#8217;ve looked through this massive library of BBC content and looked for things that we know are going to be engaging to students. Also my experience as a mom. I see things like the racer snakes chasing the baby iguanas, and I&#8217;m thinking, oh, my eight-year-old is going to eat that up. I know that all kids will, because that content is so engaging.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re looking to provide supplemental resources for teachers that are just ready to go, like out of the box. So you don&#8217;t have to do so much. I also knew that as a teacher, I had my curriculum that I was teaching. I was really looking for things to supplement and to make the experience come to life. So the idea that we have this home for that where you can come is just really appealing to me.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (02:36):</strong> When I was at your booth, you had the videos and you have like lesson plans and you can download it. So like describe: if a teacher wanted to use stuff tomorrow, what would be the kinds of things he or she could expect to be able to get from your site?</p>
<p><strong>Kimmie Fink (02:50):</strong> Gosh, it&#8217;s hard to know where to start. But for ELA, we have these wonderful articles that are pulled from BBC magazines like Science Focus, History Extra, and Discover Wildlife. And what we&#8217;ve done is we&#8217;ve leveled them. So it&#8217;s the same article, but it&#8217;s written at a grade three through five, grade six through eight, grade nine through 12. So your students can access it at whatever level. And we know that in every classroom, just because it&#8217;s labeled a fifth grade classroom doesn&#8217;t mean everybody&#8217;s reading at a fifth grade level, right? But they&#8217;re able to access that at any level.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s vocabulary built into that. Every single one of our videos has a writing prompt attached to it. So you just pick something you think that your kids are going to be super interested in. Maybe it&#8217;s polar bear cubs. And there&#8217;s a writing prompt that goes with it. So that&#8217;s where I would start with ELA.</p>
<p>With science — Walking with Dinosaurs came out in 1999. And they came out with a completely new version last year. And we got our hands on it first, which was so exciting. It follows six different dinosaurs. You go back and forth in the episode between the dig site and then the CGI dinosaurs. What I did is I went through it. I got to watch all the episodes and then pick out the learning moments. I paired a dig site clip with the CGI clip of the actual dinosaur. Then we created a paleontologist field journal. And then we made an interactive map. So students get this interactive map and you can visit in any order the dig sites. And you watch each of these videos and you take a quiz on it and you fill out your paleontologist field journal.</p>
<p>But there&#8217;s some extra fun content in there like, what dinosaur are you? Because obviously you need to do a personality quiz to figure out what kind of dinosaur you are. I&#8217;m a Lusotitan.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (04:22):</strong> Oh, I don&#8217;t even know what that is.</p>
<p><strong>Kimmie Fink (04:24):</strong> It is a massive, massive dinosaur.</p>
<p>But for me, I mean, just having students make that connection and almost kind of put themselves in that role of paleontologist. Because you look and they&#8217;re showing you the Spinosaurus&#8217; tail. And then we&#8217;re asking you to make some predictions about what do you think that meant about it. And then you watch it and you realize that the Spinosaurus was aquatic. So there&#8217;s this real kind of like role playing and figuring things out as you go. And I just think that&#8217;s such an exciting experience for kids.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (04:53):</strong> So a teacher can just go and download all this, have all this posted in their learning management system, and then their kids can be paleontologists and basically go on. Now, how long would it take to do the virtual field trip? Is that something that like teachers do, say, hey, one day a week for six weeks — or what&#8217;s the time span for it?</p>
<p><strong>Kimmie Fink (05:12):</strong> I think that we estimated it was sort of like a 45-minute to 60-minute exploration for the students themselves. But we also have this full teacher guide, so you can do it as part of a larger unit. But something that I felt like as a teacher I needed was, I need to be able to take the piece that I want and not have to do the whole thing — because it&#8217;s just like, well, I got to print this and then I got to download this, and it&#8217;s too much. So, like, maybe you just want to watch the baby Triceratops video. You can do that. You can watch that individually.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really like, take what you need. So everything is not like a massive production. But you want to do the whole thing, you can do the whole thing.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (05:46):</strong> They&#8217;re free.</p>
<p><strong>Kimmie Fink (05:47):</strong> It&#8217;s really fun. Yeah. It&#8217;s a really fun job.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (05:49):</strong> You don&#8217;t have — like you said, you don&#8217;t have to worry about the ads and all the stuff that happens when we do YouTube content, because there are things that happen. So we&#8217;ve talked Walking with Dinosaurs. What are some of the other stories that kids love, that are some of your most popular, that teachers are just like, oh yeah, this is great for my classroom?</p>
<p><strong>Kimmie Fink (06:08):</strong> We are so thrilled to be the home to the only licensed learning materials for Bluey. Bluey has such a massive footprint here with kids. I mean, we&#8217;ve been here at ISTE and everybody is coming to our booth. There&#8217;s been so much engagement. And the way the show is written, it&#8217;s just such a natural, you know, way to promote those life skills — you know, friendship and feelings and things like that. And doing it, meeting kids where they&#8217;re at.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (06:32):</strong> Body language.</p>
<p><strong>Kimmie Fink (06:34):</strong> Oh gosh, huge. Recognizing emotions, right? All of that stuff. Which can be tough.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (06:39):</strong> There is something called a nonverbal learning disability, which is a struggle, and a lot of kids have them. And learning to read that body language is just vital to help kids.</p>
<p><strong>Kimmie Fink (06:49):</strong> So we&#8217;ve got 15 lessons. They&#8217;re all free.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (06:51):</strong> They had two little books. They&#8217;re very cute. Because I was looking at them. And you can print them in color or black and white — either way — but they&#8217;re really nice.</p>
<p><strong>Kimmie Fink (06:59):</strong> So that&#8217;s been really popular. One of my other favorite experiences has to do with Planet Earth. I mean, if anybody who knows Sir David Attenborough — I mean, he&#8217;s a British national treasure. Is just incredible. He just celebrated his 100th birthday. And I mean, we have so much content from him.</p>
<p>And then we did a collection of the eight most popular Planet Earth videos. And we made a little Planet Earth passport so that kids can go through and watch, you know, the clip on lemurs in Madagascar and then go in their passport and fill out, you know, answer questions and illustrate it and just kind of explore on their own. So that&#8217;s been a really popular one as well.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (07:35):</strong> So it sounds like the virtual field trips are really popular with teachers.</p>
<p><strong>Kimmie Fink (07:38):</strong> Yeah, that&#8217;s really where we&#8217;re going — is to create more interactive experiences for kids, because I think it&#8217;s really important, that student-facing piece, and they can explore on their own. And it really mirrors the way that they&#8217;re consuming content outside of an educational setting.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (07:53):</strong> Well, think about it. You could go to a dig, but archaeological digs are not usually the most exciting places. You can&#8217;t guarantee that they&#8217;re going to find something on the day you&#8217;re there. Otherwise, it&#8217;s just going to be dirt, right?</p>
<p><strong>Kimmie Fink (08:03):</strong> Right. Yes.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (08:04):</strong> So this way you can actually go on a field trip that you&#8217;d expect. It&#8217;s going to be consistent and do some cool things. And all that material is there. Y&#8217;all have a booth here at ISTE, but it has been hopping. Largely because of Bluey, but also the other stuff.</p>
<p><strong>Kimmie Fink (08:17):</strong> I think Bluey draws people in. And then we say, here&#8217;s everything else that we have. And people kind of go, wow. And somebody asked me, she said, so is there a free version in addition to a paid version? And I said, no — there&#8217;s only free.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (08:32):</strong> Really? I know it.</p>
<p><strong>Kimmie Fink (08:34):</strong> Yeah, so it&#8217;s great.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (08:35):</strong> It&#8217;s free and it&#8217;s wonderful. You have seen this from both sides of the desk. Describe a time that something really changed in your classroom because you had the right piece of media.</p>
<p><strong>Kimmie Fink (08:46):</strong> We had a reading anthology for our ELA program, as a lot of people do, and it could be a little dry. It was about chimpanzees. And we were engaging with it and it was fine. But I had found some videos of Jane Goodall in the Gombe with the chimpanzees. And I just felt like it made that connection for my kids, because they could actually see this person.</p>
<p>We think about, when we&#8217;re reading about chimpanzees, and of course the goal is, you know, comprehension and things like that. But I also want kids to care about conservation and things like that. We talked about storytelling, and I feel like it&#8217;s the way that we access experiences that we don&#8217;t have firsthand knowledge of. Really high-quality video can do that often. And I don&#8217;t think it takes away from getting the information as a reader. I think it amplifies it.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (09:35):</strong> When you talk to teachers and when you&#8217;re talking to them at the booth, what are they most excited about? Besides Bluey, obviously.</p>
<p><strong>Kimmie Fink (09:41):</strong> I&#8217;ve had a lot of excitement around our newsroom. So I think that a lot of people hear BBC and they think news, right? Because, of course, BBC News is quite well known. And we have just launched our newsroom, and we have a daily Newsbite. And so you come in every day, every school day. We have a new one. It&#8217;s like a five minute clip. It&#8217;s about, you know, some kind of relevant news story. And then there&#8217;s questions that go along with it.</p>
<p>People were really excited about it because, again, there&#8217;s so much on there. And you were asking, like, where can I start? That&#8217;s a great place to start. It&#8217;s like, this is a great way to, like, start my day. And we know that media literacy is so important right now and, you know, quite frankly, really lacking. And so that&#8217;s been something that teachers have been really excited about as well.</p>
<p>And then we are planning on, as we move into back to school, really gamifying that more. We really want to give teachers that. I mean, I&#8217;d play all the New York Times games, you know — like, give them that Wordle experience where they can see how they&#8217;re doing compared to other classrooms and they can maybe have a streak or something like that. So that&#8217;s coming as well. So we&#8217;re getting some good feedback on that.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (10:44):</strong> So if a teacher says, okay, I want to try out these resources — where do they start for what they could use right away?</p>
<p><strong>Kimmie Fink (10:52):</strong> Yeah, I mean, I think the Newsbites is something that can be used right away. I would also recommend just go to our homepage. We have a new top nav that we just launched. And I think it does a really good job of showing the breadth of what&#8217;s available. So you can go in and there&#8217;s science and environment right at the top. There&#8217;s social studies, global, international kind of content. And then we have other topics where you can explore, like what we have for like SEL, math and ELA, which we are still building out. But I think that&#8217;s a good place.</p>
<p>And we are always updating. So every month, I&#8217;ll put something that fits. Like we have an article on the 4th of July and the history behind that. And so if you go to each of those places, we&#8217;ll have things that are like germane to whatever time of year it is. And I think that could be a nice entry point as well, right? So you&#8217;re coming in in October, you&#8217;re going to see some videos on bats because it&#8217;s, you know, Halloween is coming. Or you&#8217;re going to see a Bluey worksheet that&#8217;s on Halloween. So we definitely try to have content that&#8217;s relevant to the time.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (11:47):</strong> Okay. Now you said math.</p>
<p><strong>Kimmie Fink (11:49):</strong> Yeah, I did.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (11:50):</strong> So could you give me at least one example for math? Because a lot of times people don&#8217;t think of math as having great videos, but there are some out there.</p>
<p><strong>Kimmie Fink (11:58):</strong> So what we have for math are currently — so we have the Numberblocks. So there&#8217;s Numberblocks and Alphablocks, are shows that are distributed by the BBC. And we have licensed a lot of their magazine content as printables. So we have a lot of math printables that you can use. But the video is coming, and it will be more like a kind of like explainer videos.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (12:19):</strong> Oh, that&#8217;s awesome. Okay, so as we&#8217;re finishing up — what kind of guides the content that you select?</p>
<p><strong>Kimmie Fink (12:25):</strong> So we have developed our global knowledge framework, and there&#8217;s really five pillars to it of things that guide our — you were asking before about how I make selections, right? So I&#8217;m looking at these things. And the first one is media literacy. And then second, we have sustainability and environment, which, of course, makes a lot of sense with what the BBC produces. We have global citizenship — so, you know, knowing more about the world, cultural awareness, cultural relevance — and then financial literacy and digital literacy as well.</p>
<p>We have a mailing list that you can sign up. When you go to the website, you can view all of our videos. You don&#8217;t have to be signed in or anything like that. In order to download like a printable or something like that, you&#8217;re going to go ahead and log in. It&#8217;s really easy. It just takes a few minutes and it&#8217;s free. And then when you are logged in, you can do things like create your own playlists. So we have curated playlists — like we have a great penguin playlist. But if you want to do your own and then assign it to students via Google Classroom, you can do all that once you&#8217;re logged in and download all the printables that you want. Print them off. Copy them. You&#8217;re good to go.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (13:25):</strong> We&#8217;ve been talking with Kimmie from the BBC Learning Hub. Thanks for coming on.</p>
<p><strong>Kimmie Fink (13:29):</strong> Thank you so much for having me.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (13:30):</strong> The BBC Learning Hub is a free story-driven platform from BBC Studios with more than a thousand classroom resources. You get ad-free video clips from BBC storytelling that teachers and students already love, paired with standards-aligned lesson plans, leveled reading passages, comprehension questions, and printable activities. And you can send it all straight to Google Classroom. They work for pre-K all the way through high school, and every bit of it is free.</p>
<p>This is exactly the kind of high-quality, teacher-ready content I love sharing with you. Real BBC storytelling that makes the lesson come alive without adding to your prep. Build your first playlist at coolcatteacher.com forward slash BBC. Start with Walking with Dinosaurs or the amazing Bluey content for your younger students. That&#8217;s coolcatteacher.com forward slash BBC.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (14:30):</strong> Thanks for tuning in to the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast. Watch the video version of this podcast and catch my new radio and TV show, Cool Cat Teacher Talk, on YouTube and a radio or TV station near you. Join my Cool Cat Teacher Classroom Matters newsletter at coolcatteacher.com forward slash newsletter. Leave a review if you found this helpful. See you later, educator.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e963/" title="Assessment and Feedback That Move Learning Forward" rel="nofollow"><img width="1024" height="576" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/963-starr-sackstein-template1-1024x576.png" class="webfeedsFeaturedVisual wp-post-image" alt="" style="display: block; margin: auto; margin-bottom: 5px;max-width: 100%;" link_thumbnail="1" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/963-starr-sackstein-template1-1024x576.png 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/963-starr-sackstein-template1-300x169.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/963-starr-sackstein-template1-768x432.png 768w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/963-starr-sackstein-template1-1170x658.png 1170w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/963-starr-sackstein-template1-585x329.png 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/963-starr-sackstein-template1.png 1280w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a><p>From the Cool Cat Teacher Blog by Vicki Davis <P>Subscribe to the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast and Cool Cat Teacher Talk anywhere you listen to podcasts.</p>
<p>The moment you put a grade on something, it stops being formative. Assessment author Starr Sackstein explains what formative assessment really means and gives you classroom-ready strategies for the start, middle, and end of any lesson.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As an instructional technology coach, formative assessment has been a hot-button issue for me. In my own classroom, my goal was to formatively assess learning every eight minutes. Then I knew whether to move on or reteach. I became convinced when I implemented formative assessment and began to teach binary numbers with mastery in three days instead of the two weeks it used to take with traditional paper-and-pen, grading, and hand-raising methods. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It was when every student shared what they knew that I knew if what I was doing worked. I kept the methods that worked, and interestingly, many of the most impactful ways to teach binary numbers were no-screen, hands-on lessons, even though we pulled out technology to formatively assess whether students were understanding binary numbers. I&#8217;m convinced.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I hope after you listen to what Starr Sackstein has to say that you&#8217;ll be convinced too. Starr has been known for her radical methods of deep teaching and “throwing out grades” but we all know we need standards mastery. </p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Let&#8217;s dig into actionable assessment and feedback that help students learn and grow in today&#8217;s show. I&#8217;ve linked to free resources for this show — a discussion guide for your team, a set of no-screen formative assessment activities, and a checklist you can run against an assessment you already give. Starr says assessment is learning. Not the thing that comes after it.</p>



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<p style="margin:0;font-size:19px;line-height:1.55;color:#ffffff;font-style:italic;">“As I&#8217;ve really lived in this assessment work for such a long time now, I believe assessment is learning.”</p>
<p style="margin:12px 0 0;font-size:16px;line-height:1.4;color:#ffba08;font-weight:700;">Starr Sackstein</p>
<p style="margin:2px 0 0;font-size:14px;line-height:1.4;color:#ffffff;">Educator, Author, and Speaker</p>
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<h2 id="h-listen-to-the-show" class="wp-block-heading">Listen to the Show</h2>


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<h2 id="h-key-takeaways-for-teachers-from-starr-sackstein" class="wp-block-heading">Key Takeaways for Teachers from Starr Sackstein</h2>



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<li><strong>The grade is what kills it.</strong> Starr&#8217;s line is blunt: “as soon as you put a grade, though, on something, it is no longer formative.” So a lot of what we log as formative in the gradebook isn&#8217;t formative at all. It&#8217;s just a small summative.</li>



<li><strong>One preposition changes the whole thing.</strong> Assessment <em>of</em> learning looks backward at what already happened. Assessment <em>for</em> learning feeds the next move. Starr goes further than both: after two decades in this work, she says assessment <em>is</em> learning.</li>



<li><strong>Four corners still works, and most teachers still don&#8217;t use it.</strong> Make a statement, students go to the corner they agree with, and they have to defend why they stood there. Then — and this is the part people skip — after they hear everyone else&#8217;s reasoning, you let them switch corners.</li>



<li><strong>When the whole class misses it, look at your own directions first.</strong> Starr&#8217;s own early projects came back as what she calls an “amorphous blob of information,” and her read on it is generous and hard at once: “when you have that many kids not doing what you asked them to do, there&#8217;s clearly an issue on your side, not their side.”</li>
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<h2 id="h-resources-mentioned-in-this-episode" class="wp-block-heading">Resources Mentioned in This Episode</h2>



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<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Actionable-Assessment-Step-Step-Responsive/dp/1032993995?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Actionable Assessment: A Step-by-Step Guide to Responsive Teaching and Student Growth</em></a> by Michael McDowell and Starr Sackstein — the new book at the center of this conversation, with a strategy appendix in the back so you can find a move without hunting through the chapters.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Small-Teaching-Everyday-Lessons-Learning/dp/1119755549?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Small Teaching: Everyday Lessons from the Science of Learning</em></a> by James M. Lang — the book behind Vicki&#8217;s five-questions-at-the-start-of-class routine.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.mssackstein.com">Starr Sackstein&#8217;s website and blog</a> — where her free writing on grading, feedback, and student voice lives.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/work-in-progress">Work in Progress</a> — Starr&#8217;s Education Week blog, the one she mentions at 01:30 as the game changer.</li>



<li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/learner-centered-spaces/id1680573123">Learner-Centered Spaces</a> — Starr&#8217;s podcast, co-hosted with Crystal Frommert.</li>
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<h2 id="h-about-starr-sackstein" class="wp-block-heading">About Starr Sackstein</h2>


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<figure ><img decoding="async" width="276" height="298" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Starr-Sackstein-headshot.png" alt="Starr Sackstein, assessment author and speaker, on formative assessment strategies" class="wp-image-35088"/><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Starr Sackstein</figcaption></figure>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Starr Sackstein is an accomplished educator, author, and speaker known for her leadership in rethinking grading and assessment practices. With over two decades of experience in education, she has served as a teacher, instructional coach, and administrator, and is widely recognized for her advocacy of equitable, student-centered learning. Starr is the author of numerous books on grading reform, feedback, and student voice, and she frequently consults with schools and districts around the world. Through her writing, speaking, and professional development work, she continues to influence educators seeking more meaningful and inclusive approaches to teaching and learning.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Books:</strong> <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Actionable-Assessment-Step-Step-Responsive/dp/1032993995?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Actionable Assessment</em></a> (with Michael McDowell) · <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Student-Led-Assessment-Achievement-Portfolios-Conferences/dp/141663259X?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Student-Led Assessment</em></a> · <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Making-Impact-Outside-Classroom-Possibilities/dp/1032585560?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Making an Impact Outside of the Classroom</em></a> · <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Blogging-Educators-Professional-Learning-Connected/dp/1483377792?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Blogging for Educators</em></a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Connect with Starr:</strong> <a href="https://www.mssackstein.com">Website</a> · <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/starrsackstein/">LinkedIn</a> · <a href="https://www.facebook.com/MsSackstein">Facebook</a> · <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/mssackstein.bsky.social">Bluesky</a> · <a href="https://www.instagram.com/starr53177/">Instagram</a> · <a href="https://www.youtube.com/c/StarrSackstein">YouTube</a></p>



<h2 id="h-assessment-resources-for-teachers-and-administrators" class="wp-block-heading">Assessment Resources for Teachers and Administrators</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Everything here is free. Use whatever tools your school has approved, and check with your district before you put anything student-related into an AI tool.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Three things to grab: a discussion guide for your team, a set of no-screen activities you can run tomorrow, and a one-page checklist for an assessment you already give.</p>



<h3 id="h-discussion-guide-formative-assessment" class="wp-block-heading">DISCUSSION GUIDE: Formative Assessment</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Target: teacher team meetings and PLCs.</strong> This runs in about 35 minutes. It works with a department, a grade-level team, or a whole faculty. Print it, or pull the questions up on a screen.</p>



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<h4 id="h-if-you-want-to-run-this-with-students-instead" class="wp-block-heading">If you want to run this with students instead</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Same spine, three questions: Which assignments in here actually help you learn? Which ones just tell me what you already knew? What would you change about how I check whether you understand something? Then do something visible with one of their answers, or they won&#8217;t tell you the truth next time.</p>



<h3 id="h-no-screen-formative-assessment-activities" class="wp-block-heading">NO-SCREEN FORMATIVE ASSESSMENT ACTIVITIES</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Every one of these came off the tape, and not one of them needs a device, a login, or a purchase order. That matters more than it sounds like it should — when I sorted out which of my own methods actually worked, most of the keepers turned out to be no-screen and hands-on.</p>



<h4 id="h-1-four-corners" class="wp-block-heading">1. Four Corners</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Grades 3–12 and adult PD. 10–20 minutes. You need: four signs and a statement worth arguing about.</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Label your four corners <em>agree</em>, <em>disagree</em>, <em>strongly agree</em>, <em>strongly disagree</em>. Read a statement. Students go to the corner that matches what they think — and here is where teachers lose the data: tell them up front they will have to defend the corner they chose, so they can&#8217;t just follow a friend. Let each corner discuss and share out. Then, after everyone has heard the justifications, invite anyone who wants to switch corners to switch.</p>



<p class="has-pale-cyan-blue-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph"><strong>The data you get:</strong> where the misconceptions are clustered, who can defend a position, and who moved after hearing evidence — which is the thing a multiple-choice question can never show you.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>By subject, from Starr:</strong> English teachers use it for characterization. In science, put a question up with multiple-choice answers around the room and ask students to stand where their own lab data points them. In math, the same statement-and-defend structure works on process, not just answers.</p>



<h4 id="h-2-the-post-it-round" class="wp-block-heading">2. The Post-it Round</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>All grades. Runs alongside any discussion. You need: one Post-it note per student.</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Every student gets one Post-it. When they speak, you collect it. Once your note is in, you can&#8217;t speak again until everyone else&#8217;s has come in.</p>



<p class="has-pale-cyan-blue-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph"><strong>The data you get:</strong> a physical, visible record of who has talked and who hasn&#8217;t — and the quiet observers start talking, because they know their turn is coming and it&#8217;s finite. Starr calls this equity of voice. It also stops the same three kids from carrying the period.</p>



<h4 id="h-3-think-pair-share" class="wp-block-heading">3. Think, Pair, Share</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>All grades. 5–10 minutes.</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Think silently. Talk to one partner. Share to the room. Starr pulled this off a random chart in the book, and it was on the evergreen list. This tactic is decades old and still doing the job. The part people skip is the silent think: cut it, and you get the fastest talker&#8217;s answer, not the class&#8217;s thinking.</p>



<h4 id="h-4-whiteboard-responses" class="wp-block-heading">4. Whiteboard Responses</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>All grades. Continuous. You need: individual whiteboards, or sheet protectors with card stock inside.</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Everyone answers, everyone holds it up, you read the room in about four seconds. This is the one that gets you closest to checking understanding every few minutes without stopping the lesson to grade anything.</p>



<p class="has-pale-cyan-blue-background-color has-background wp-block-paragraph"><strong>The data you get:</strong> a full-class snapshot in real time, which is exactly the moment Starr says you can still change the lesson — before you&#8217;ve burned forty minutes on a plan that wasn&#8217;t going to work.</p>



<h4 id="h-5-reading-records" class="wp-block-heading">5. Reading Records</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Elementary and middle, and useful in any subject with dense text. Ongoing.</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Keep a running record of what a student reads and how they handle it. It&#8217;s observational data, gathered over time, and it tells you things a test score won&#8217;t.</p>



<h3 id="h-more-free-resources-on-assessment-and-feedback" class="wp-block-heading">MORE Free Resources on Assessment and Feedback</h3>



<h5 id="h-from-starr" class="wp-block-heading">From Starr</h5>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://www.mssackstein.com">Her blog</a> — free writing on grading reform, feedback, and student voice.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/work-in-progress">Work in Progress</a> at Education Week.</li>



<li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/learner-centered-spaces/id1680573123">Learner-Centered Spaces</a>, her podcast with Crystal Frommert.</li>
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<h5 id="h-from-the-archive" class="wp-block-heading">From the archive</h5>



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<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/5-fantastic-peer-feedback-strategies-classroom/">5 Fantastic Peer Feedback Strategies for Your Classroom</a> — Starr, all the way back on episode 85.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/how-to-assess-with-respect-with-starr-sackstein/">How to Assess with Respect</a> — Starr on episode 739 &#8211; this one is a good one to go with today&#8217;s show.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e962">Math Games That Build Fluency While Kids Have Fun</a> — Jennifer Bay-Williams and Gina Kling, on watching students play as your assessment data.</li>
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<h2 id="h-other-shows-for-k-12-teachers" class="wp-block-heading">Other Shows for K-12 Teachers</h2>



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<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/when-i-knew-it-was-time-to-leave-the-classroom/">When I Knew It Was Time to Leave the Classroom</a> — Starr on episode 564, a different kind of honest.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e962">Math Games That Build Fluency While Kids Have Fun</a> — Jennifer Bay-Williams and Gina Kling on why speed drills block thinking, and watching students play as your assessment data.</li>
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<h2 id="h-episode-transcript" class="wp-block-heading">Episode Transcript</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This transcript was generated using AI and has been reviewed by humans for accuracy. Minor errors or artifacts may remain but I worked my best to find any issues with the transcript as I reviewed the show. – Vicki</em></p>



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<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> Assessment and Feedback that Move Learning Forward. Episode 963 for Thought Leader Thursday.</p>
<p>The moment you put a grade on something, it stops being formative. Three tips.</p>
<p>One, if you use slides, add a quick formative question every student answers in the moment. Then pivot the lesson.</p>
<p>Two, run a review game. Pull the class stats and reteach only where they&#8217;re weak. Let them watch you use the data and tell them to use their own when they&#8217;re reviewing.</p>
<p>Three, pre-assess five vocabulary words you&#8217;ll use in class today. Don&#8217;t take a grade, but it does show them what matters and get class started.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s think about assessment.</p>
<p><strong>Announcer:</strong> This is the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast with your host, Vicki Davis.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> Today, we&#8217;re talking with a longtime friend, Starr Sackstein. She has been on the show three times already. This is her fourth appearance. She&#8217;s educator, author, speaker, and she is one of the most passionate voices in assessment reform. She&#8217;s written numerous books on rethinking grading, including her newest, Actionable Assessment, co-authored with Michael McDowell.</p>
<p>She spent over two decades helping teachers move from traditional grading to meaningful feedback that actually drives learning. Starr, you and I were talking in the pre-show. I started blogging in 2005. When did you start blogging?</p>
<p><strong>Starr Sackstein:</strong> Probably around 2008. And then I was lucky enough to blog for Ed Week a little bit thereafter. That was a game changer, for sure.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> You&#8217;ve spent so much time in the classroom, and now you&#8217;re talking about actionable assessment. So this is really interesting, because you&#8217;re like, hey, when we think assessment, we think grades. But I know you — you&#8217;re not a fan of grades. So help me understand: what&#8217;s actionable assessment?</p>
<p><strong>Starr Sackstein:</strong> So Michael and I both agree that teachers are super good at collecting data. And unfortunately, they don&#8217;t always know what to do with it when they have it. And sometimes the quality of what they&#8217;re collecting isn&#8217;t as good as it can be. So this book really lays a foundation in what formative assessment really is and how it is different than summative. Those are terms we throw around an awful lot, but I&#8217;m still convinced not everybody really knows what they mean.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> Let&#8217;s define it. Define clearly, for everybody who&#8217;s a beginner or wants to explain it to another teacher: formative and summative.</p>
<p><strong>Starr Sackstein:</strong> So formative assessment is more of a process. Sure, there are intermediary tasks and people have their formative benchmarks. Like, as soon as you put a grade, though, on something, it is no longer formative. Formative is supposed to be practice. It&#8217;s supposed to be getting data to the learner, to the teacher, so that adjustments can be made and practice can be continued until they&#8217;re ready for the summative, which is when we check for what they got from all of it.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s really an endpoint. And I&#8217;m not saying that you can&#8217;t take data from summative and use it again in the future, but the purpose of it is really assessment <em>of</em> learning — things that have already happened. Formative is assessment <em>for</em> learning. The preposition in the middle there is what changes the meaning of all of it.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve really lived in this assessment work for such a long time now, I believe assessment <em>is</em> learning. Like, anytime we are watching kids learn, anytime we&#8217;re taking in new stuff, learning is occurring. And I think too often we think about them in moments instead of this ongoing process where we&#8217;re teaching kiddos to set goals, to track their progress, to deal with not having things right right away — because the stickier and the harder things we are learning, the more likely it is we&#8217;re not going to get it on the first try. And we need to normalize that a bunch more than we actually do in school.</p>
<p>If we could take the grade away from the formative parts of what we do, the fear of being wrong and the fear of engaging will be a lot less. And so this book, which is super practical — you have a short two chapters that basically give you the foundational work that help you understand how we&#8217;re using the terminology. And then the whole rest of the book is: at the beginning of the lesson, when you find out this, these are strategies you can use right in the moment to make changes, so that you don&#8217;t spend a whole 40 minutes on a lesson that isn&#8217;t going to get you the results that you think you need. And sometimes that information comes in the middle of the lesson. Sometimes it comes at the end.</p>
<p>And what&#8217;s really different about this book is we also have a lot of graphics, so that if you&#8217;re working with a PLC, it actually helps you visualize what this looks like when kids are at different phases in the learning too. So it breaks down kids who are at proficiency, kids who are approaching it, kids that are already past it, how you could extend the learning so that that rich data that you&#8217;re collecting in class really goes to good use.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> Okay, so there&#8217;s so much to unpack here. Let&#8217;s kind of start with the beginning of class. So you&#8217;ve probably read the book <em>Small Teaching</em> by James Lang. And one of his biggest things was: ask five questions that you&#8217;re not expecting them to know at the beginning of class and see what they already know. And that that primes the pump for learning, because they know, hey, this is what we&#8217;re going to learn about in class so that I can answer these questions. Right?</p>
<p>And when I started doing that in my AP CSP class — I read that during my first class, which, you know, had 100% pass rate that first year while I was still learning. And I think a lot of it had to do with that method, right, of doing that. It was like, you mean I&#8217;m supposed to ask them stuff that they don&#8217;t know, to see if they know it or see if they don&#8217;t? And the first thing my kids asked, of course, was, are you taking a grade on this? No. I explained to my students, this is formative assessment. So they know when I say formative, that&#8217;s testing — like, in some ways I feel like it&#8217;s testing <em>me</em>. They can relax and just like, hey, what have we learned?</p>
<p>So what is one of the most surprising assessment methods that you recommend, that teachers come back to you and say, I had no idea that would be so awesome?</p>
<p><strong>Starr Sackstein:</strong> I think we lean in a lot to things like four corners activities and different things that mix modalities, so that you&#8217;re not using the same stuff all the time. You&#8217;re getting kids out of their seats. You&#8217;re getting them to, like — kind of like what you said before — you&#8217;re getting them to think about what they think. And using activities like that in different parts of a lesson, you could activate a lot of different things as a pre-assessment. What do they know? What are their feelings? How does this get them primed to go deeper and to test what&#8217;s going on for them at the beginning? It could be in the middle.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> Okay, so let&#8217;s talk about four corners for a second, because honestly — so I&#8217;ve been teaching 24 years, and I didn&#8217;t learn this technique until like eight or nine years ago. So describe what that is, because it is really great.</p>
<p><strong>Starr Sackstein:</strong> It&#8217;s one of my absolute favorites. I love to do it with adult learners, also in PDs that I do, because adult learners need to learn the same way kid learners need to learn — like multimodalities, not sitting and getting.</p>
<p>Four Corners is: you have different statements. You have four different spots in the room. You could do it a dozen different ways. We actually have tons of different models for how you could do it, even in a math class. The most typical way is agree, disagree, strongly agree, strongly disagree. Make a statement, have them think about where they belong in the room — not watching their friends and deciding where to go based on where their friends go — because they do have to defend why they&#8217;ve gone where they have gone. And then you have them discuss and share out. And then in some circumstances, after they hear all of the justifications, you might ask them if they want to switch where they are in the room based on the justification of others.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen English teachers use it with characterization. Like, you could do it by a specific kind of topic. In science, you could do it where you&#8217;re thinking about — you have a question and you have like multiple choice answers around the room. Like, where do you find yourself in answering this question based on the data you collected in your lab? And same with math, thinking about different ways to move it around.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s really just this great kid-to-kid discussion tool where they have to first think, have a lot of conversation, and then move. You have the movement, you have the discussion, and then you could get some writing pieces out. I&#8217;ve seen folks use like Post-it notes so that certain people don&#8217;t monopolize conversation too. And the teachers collect the Post-it notes, so that once your Post-it note is collected, you can&#8217;t speak again until everyone else&#8217;s Post-it notes. So it&#8217;s an easy way to collect who&#8217;s done talking already and who still needs to talk, in order to have that equity of voice in the classroom.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> And see, you combine so many different things, because you can use the Post-it note example with just about any class conversation. Help it include all the voices. And then some students, they&#8217;re so observant, and watchers — but if they know that they need the answer to be part of class that day, they will speak up. And then it like changes everything, and you&#8217;re thinking, why doesn&#8217;t this student speak more? They just have such good things to say.</p>
<p>So that is an awesome strategy. And that&#8217;s been around a while, hadn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p><strong>Starr Sackstein:</strong> It sure has. It always baffles me a little bit how many folks don&#8217;t use it.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> Everybody&#8217;s looking for the new thing, you know? And sometimes these timeless things that have been around forever — are there any other timeless things in the book that you&#8217;re like, hey, this may have been around for 50 years, but it&#8217;s pretty doggone good?</p>
<p><strong>Starr Sackstein:</strong> Yeah, I mean, honestly, I just opened up to like a random chart that we have. Some of the stuff on here is just so evergreen. Think, pair, share. Whiteboard responses. Reading records. And stuff like this was for data outputs for different kinds of sometimes ineffective versus effective assessments that we do in class. So it names a lot of those things, and then it gives different scenarios of what teachers might do, what it looks like, the data you collect, and then how you use such things.</p>
<p>Those of you who see the little — our little teacher over here — it could be just about anybody. And then throughout the whole thing, the middle section is just all pictures. And there&#8217;s reflection phases, quick poll examples, informal discussions.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> So let&#8217;s ask this question then. You talked about effective and ineffective. What are some of the biggest mistakes that people make, and you&#8217;re like, oh, this would be really good to kind of move out of the classroom?</p>
<p><strong>Starr Sackstein:</strong> A lot of times we get very attached to things that we do and we love, as educators. Sometimes I was definitely guilty of that too, when I thought something was awesome and it wasn&#8217;t necessarily best for kids. And sometimes they&#8217;re not even aligned to the standards or anything that we&#8217;re actually trying to assess. I think the biggest challenge generally is that our assessments don&#8217;t always match what we&#8217;re trying to assess.</p>
<p>My very first few projects, for example — I had ideas. I didn&#8217;t even think about the standards. I just thought about the things that I wanted them to do. And when I asked kids to think about their own learning, and even in what I got from them, everybody&#8217;s interpretation of my directions were so very different that my lack of clarity created this amorphous blob of information that came back at me.</p>
<p>Because I think as a teacher, we&#8217;re inclined to blame the kids for not doing what we asked them to do. But when you have that many kids not doing what you asked them to do, there&#8217;s clearly an issue on your side, not their side. Like, the only kids who really got it were the ones who came for extra help, who I had an opportunity to like talk them through what was going on inside my brain — because it was evident, but it was not a good, it was not well designed.</p>
<p>So like the situation — what I learned then was how important to bring reflection, metacognition, into this. Tell me about your learning experience throughout that. And those were as important for kids as they were for me, because it kept me honest.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> Sometimes you do get a hard class. You know, I was talking to somebody the other day and I said, just because you have a hard class doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re a bad teacher. Right? Because sometimes you just have a hard class, right? And you have to shift some things you do. And so sometimes these assessments look a little different depending on the class. You might have a group of rough and tumble boys, and you might be doing more stuff in the corner, except certain ones of them can&#8217;t go in the same corner. Right? You&#8217;re like, you two got to always disagree. I&#8217;ve had that before.</p>
<p>But you know, assessment is so important, and it doesn&#8217;t always mean you&#8217;re taking a grade. What&#8217;s one encouragement that you can give to teachers as we finish up, as they look at their assessments for the week this week?</p>
<p><strong>Starr Sackstein:</strong> I&#8217;d say be super intentional about the assessments that you&#8217;re doing. Think more of it like a process and not like an end result necessarily — unless of course it&#8217;s summative that you&#8217;re working on. And don&#8217;t be afraid to ask your kids for feedback on them. Too often we keep the separation between teacher stuff and student stuff. And I think that the more we could think of a classroom as a partnership of learning, and less about <em>I&#8217;m in charge, you&#8217;re doing what I tell you to do</em> — like, that power dynamic kind of shifts, the more equitable that space is really going to feel for the kiddos. And they might invest a little bit more if what they&#8217;re telling you actually impacts what you&#8217;re doing.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re looking at your assessments — think, is this going to help each child in my room become a little bit better than they were before, based on the things that we&#8217;re learning?</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> Today, we&#8217;ve been talking with Starr Sackstein. She has written so many books, and her newest is Actionable Assessment, co-authored with Michael McDowell. And just a great topic here. Assessment&#8217;s always something we&#8217;re discussing, and lots of resources online that Starr has. So take a look and take advantage of those, and buy the book. So thanks, Starr, for coming on the show.</p>
<p><strong>Starr Sackstein:</strong> Thank you for having me, Vicki.</p>
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<p>Math fact fluency doesn't come from speed drills. Jennifer Bay-Williams and Gina Kling explain why timed tests need to go, share the card games that build real fluency, and point to a free site with printable game boards — plus a staff meeting discussion guide.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I used to hate &#8220;Around the World.&#8221; If you didn&#8217;t have the good fortune for this elementary math version of a root canal, it is where two kids stand up and the teacher holds up math problems. The student who can say the answer the fastest shouts the answer. The student who goes all the way around the room and gets back to their desk wins &#8220;around the world.&#8221; It was truly the dread of my childhood. I was so glad when I learned that in third grade we no longer did speed drills.</p>


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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"> The teacher told us ahead of time, and Mom and I practiced so I wouldn&#8217;t be embarrassed. It was harder for me to learn math facts in first grade than it was to make an A in calculus at Georgia Tech! And today&#8217;s guests told me that AROUND THE WORLD needs to be something we get rid of. I can&#8217;t imagine if I had not had a Mom who helped me and encouraged me. I was good at math, but my working memory can struggle at times. (This is why I write everything down.)</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Dr. Jennifer Bay-Williams and Dr. Gina Kling are amazing and their books are a treasure trove of resources for anyone teaching math and numeracy in elementary grades. They have tons of fun, screen-free math ideas that not only build math fluency but also support the face-to-face interactions with classmates our students need more of. I&#8217;ve also included links to their free resources and other screen-free math games that you can use in your classroom today to help kids enjoy math and do better with it. Math fact fluency can be fun. And please, please, retire Around the World! (I&#8217;m so glad I didn&#8217;t let it cause me to hate math because I really loved it when I got past math facts!)</p>



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<li><strong>&#8220;Timed tests need to be abandoned,&#8221;</strong> Jennifer said it. She gave three reasons: they make kids anxious instead of faster, kids under pressure drop back to skip counting or counting instead of reaching for a more efficient strategy, and a wrong answer on a speed drill tells you nothing about why the child missed it.</li>



<li><strong>The games can&#8217;t have a &#8220;be fast&#8221; component — that&#8217;s the whole design.</strong> Nobody races anybody. You roll, you solve your own problem, you move your own piece. The winner is whoever rolled well that day. And kids still end up fast, because strategy gets them there.</li>



<li><strong>Watching kids play IS your assessment data.</strong> Gina told me about a teacher who said her kids knew their facts during games but not on the timed test. Gina&#8217;s answer: Then why give the test? You already knew.</li>



<li><strong>What you say to parents matters as much as what you do with kids.</strong> Jennifer&#8217;s line: math is no more inherited than reading or social studies. A parent who says &#8220;I was never good at math&#8221; needs help seeing that was their experience, not their genes.</li>
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<p style="margin:0;font-size:16px;line-height:1.6;color:#03256c;">Grab a deck of cards and play Salute for ten minutes. Three players: the dealer gives two players a card each to hold on their forehead without looking, then says the sum out loud. Each player figures out their own card by looking at the other person&#8217;s. Rotate. No timer, no winner — and while they play, walk the room and listen to how they&#8217;re figuring it out. That&#8217;s your assessment data.</p>
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<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Math-Fact-Fluency-Assessment-Retention/dp/1416626999?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Math Fact Fluency: 60+ Games and Assessment Tools to Support Learning and Retention</em></a> by Jennifer Bay-Williams and Gina Kling (ASCD, 2019) — the purple book I held up on camera. Sixty-plus games, observation tools, and two full chapters on assessing fluency without a speed drill.</li>



<li><a href="https://kcm.nku.edu/mathfactfluency/">The <em>Math Fact Fluency</em> Companion Website</a> — free, no login. Built by the Kentucky Center for Mathematics as a service alongside the book. Printable game boards in English and Spanish, student recording pages, editable Google Slides, and assessment tools.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.kentuckymathematics.org/">Kentucky Center for Mathematics</a> — the organization that built and hosts the companion site.</li>



<li><a href="https://amte.net/sites/default/files/SPTM.pdf">AMTE Standards for Preparing Teachers of Mathematics</a> — Jennifer was a lead writer on these.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.ascd.org/books/math-fact-fluency?variant=118014">ASCD&#8217;s page for <em>Math Fact Fluency</em></a> — the publisher&#8217;s listing.</li>
</ul>



<h2 id="h-about-dr-jennifer-bay-williams" class="wp-block-heading">About Dr. Jennifer Bay-Williams</h2>


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<figure class="alignright size-full"><img decoding="async" width="225" height="339" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/jennifer-bay-williams.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-34094" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/jennifer-bay-williams.jpg 225w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/jennifer-bay-williams-199x300.jpg 199w" sizes="(max-width: 225px) 100vw, 225px" /></figure>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Jennifer Bay-Williams is a national leader in mathematics education, working with teachers and leaders for over thirty years to support effective mathematics teaching. Her national leadership includes serving as a member of the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics (NCTM) Board of Directors, as secretary and president of the Association of Mathematics Teacher Educators (AMTE) (president and secretary), as lead writer to the <a href="https://amte.net/sites/default/files/SPTM.pdf">AMTE Standards for the Preparation of Teachers of Mathematics</a>. She is currently a member of the TODOS: Mathematics for All Board of Directors. Dr. Bay-Williams is a prolific writer. She has authored 18 books, 40 journal articles, and 23 book chapters, and offered over 400 presentations and workshops for mathematics teachers and leaders.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Dr. Bay-Williams is a professor at the University of Louisville (Kentucky), where she teaches undergraduate and graduate courses in mathematics education and works in local schools to support effective mathematics teaching and learning. Before becoming a teacher educator, Jennifer taught K-12 mathematics in Missouri and in Perú.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Connect with Jennifer:</strong> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifer-bay-williams-52997023/">LinkedIn</a> | <a href="https://x.com/JBayWilliams">X (@JBayWilliams)</a></p>



<h2 id="h-about-dr-gina-kling" class="wp-block-heading">About Dr. Gina Kling</h2>


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<figure class="alignright size-large is-resized"><img decoding="async" width="949" height="1024" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Gina-Kling-picture-949x1024.jpg" alt="" class="wp-image-34093" style="width:300px" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Gina-Kling-picture-949x1024.jpg 949w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Gina-Kling-picture-278x300.jpg 278w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Gina-Kling-picture-768x829.jpg 768w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Gina-Kling-picture-1170x1263.jpg 1170w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Gina-Kling-picture-585x631.jpg 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Gina-Kling-picture.jpg 1238w" sizes="(max-width: 949px) 100vw, 949px" /></figure>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Dr. Gina Kling has been fortunate to serve the mathematics education community in a variety of ways throughout her 25-year teaching career. Gina is an Assistant Professor in the Department of Mathematics and Statistics at Hope College in Holland, Michigan, and teaches mathematics for future elementary school teachers. Since 2011, she has worked as a curriculum developer for the elementary mathematics curriculum <em>Everyday Mathematics</em> (based at the University of Chicago) with a focus on grades K–3. For the past 15 years, Gina has focused her research on helping children learn their basic facts in meaningful ways, work that she often shares through professional development with practicing teachers throughout the country. She has authored numerous articles on teaching and assessing basic facts as well as a book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Math-Fact-Fluency-Assessment-Retention/dp/1416626999?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Math Fact Fluency: 60+ Games and Assessment Tools to Support Learning and Retention</em></a>.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Connect with Gina:</strong> <a href="https://hope.edu/directory/people/kling-gina/index.html">Hope College faculty page</a></p>



<h2 id="h-math-fact-fluency-resources-for-teachers-coaches-and-administrators" class="wp-block-heading">Math Fact Fluency Resources for Teachers, Coaches, and Administrators</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Everything below is free. Start with what Jennifer and Gina give away themselves. I have created a discussion guide for your next grade-level meeting where you talk about math fluency. I would suggest emailing this episode and sharing the discussion guide.</p>



<h3 id="h-their-free-companion-website" class="wp-block-heading">Their Free Companion Website</h3>


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<figure class="alignright size-large is-resized"><img decoding="async" width="1024" height="537" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-2026-08-04-at-8.27.06-PM-1024x537.png" alt="" class="wp-image-35080" style="width:500px" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-2026-08-04-at-8.27.06-PM-1024x537.png 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-2026-08-04-at-8.27.06-PM-300x157.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-2026-08-04-at-8.27.06-PM-768x402.png 768w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-2026-08-04-at-8.27.06-PM-1536x805.png 1536w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-2026-08-04-at-8.27.06-PM-2048x1073.png 2048w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-2026-08-04-at-8.27.06-PM-scaled.png 1920w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-2026-08-04-at-8.27.06-PM-1170x613.png 1170w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Screenshot-2026-08-04-at-8.27.06-PM-585x307.png 585w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /><figcaption class="wp-element-caption">Look at the games and activities on their website to find some new ideas for your classroom now! </figcaption></figure>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Jennifer gave this away at the end of the show. The <a href="https://kcm.nku.edu/mathfactfluency/">Math Fact Fluency Companion Website</a> is hosted by the Kentucky Center for Mathematics, built as a service alongside the book. No login, no email capture, no cost. Look for the picture of the purple book.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">What&#8217;s on it:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li>Printable game instructions in <strong>English and Spanish</strong></li>



<li>Game boards, game mats, and <strong>student recording sheets</strong> — so you don&#8217;t have to make them</li>



<li><strong>Editable Google Slides</strong> versions of the games (English and Spanish, vertical and horizontal)</li>



<li><a href="https://kcm.nku.edu/mathfactfluency/tools.php">Assessment and observation tools</a> — the alternatives to the timed test</li>



<li><a href="https://kcm.nku.edu/mathfactfluency/tips.php">Teaching tips</a></li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">A note on the numbers: Ninteen full games are there right now — enough to start Monday.</p>



<h3 id="h-every-game-they-named-with-the-free-download" class="wp-block-heading">Every Game They Named — With the Free Download</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">These are the games Jennifer and Gina talked about in our conversation. Each link goes straight to that game&#8217;s free printable page.</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://kcm.nku.edu/mathfactfluency/game19.php"><strong>Salute</strong></a> — Gina&#8217;s favorite and the game that made them writing partners. All four operations. Cards only.</li>



<li><a href="https://kcm.nku.edu/mathfactfluency/game38.php"><strong>Multiplication Salute</strong></a> — the same game, grown up for multiplication and division.</li>



<li><a href="https://kcm.nku.edu/mathfactfluency/game11.php"><strong>Lucky 13</strong></a> — Jennifer&#8217;s pick. Draw four cards, find two that come closest to 13, low score wins. Cards only.</li>



<li><a href="https://kcm.nku.edu/mathfactfluency/game27.php"><strong>Trios</strong></a> — Connect Four, except it&#8217;s connect three, and you claim spots by solving multiplication facts. Needs a game board (free at the link).</li>



<li><a href="https://kcm.nku.edu/mathfactfluency/game35.php"><strong>Rectangle Fit</strong></a> — Jennifer described it as Tetris for multiplication. Roll two dice, fit the rectangle.</li>



<li><a href="https://kcm.nku.edu/mathfactfluency/game21.php"><strong>Subtraction Stacks</strong></a> — stack counters on a 0–9 board, roll two dice, take the difference, first to clear wins.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">One more Gina described that isn&#8217;t on the free site — <strong>Go Fish for 10s</strong>. Play Go Fish, but instead of asking for a match you ask for the card that makes ten with one in your hand. Hold a six, ask for a four. By the end of fifteen minutes the combinations of ten are spread out all over the desks. It&#8217;s in the book.</p>



<h3 id="h-screen-free-math-games-you-can-play-with-nothing-but-a-deck-of-cards" class="wp-block-heading">Screen-Free Math Games You Can Play With Nothing But a Deck of Cards</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Three of the games above need no printing, no prep, and no screen. Pull the face cards out (or keep them and assign values) and go.</p>



<h4 id="h-game-1-salute-3-players-all-four-operations" class="wp-block-heading">GAME 1: Salute — 3 players, all four operations</h4>



<ol class="wp-block-list">
<li>One player is the dealer. The other two each take a card and hold it on their forehead, facing out, <strong>without looking at it</strong>.</li>



<li>The dealer looks at both cards and says the <strong>sum</strong> out loud. (&#8220;Sixteen.&#8221;)</li>



<li>Each player looks at the <em>other</em> player&#8217;s card and figures out their own. If I see a nine and the sum is sixteen, I&#8217;m holding a seven.</li>



<li>Rotate roles so everyone gets a turn as dealer.</li>
</ol>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">To grow it: the dealer says the <strong>product</strong> instead of the sum, and players work out the missing factor. That&#8217;s division practice disguised as a card game. There&#8217;s no winner and no timer — the mathematical work is the point.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Partner version (Jennifer&#8217;s modification):</strong> before kids can use strategies, they need their combinations of ten cold. So one player puts a card on their forehead and the partner names the card that makes ten with it. Three on the forehead, partner says seven. Works for doubles too.</p>



<h4 id="h-game-2-lucky-13-2-or-more-players-addition" class="wp-block-heading">GAME 2: Lucky 13 — 2 or more players, addition</h4>



<ol class="wp-block-list">
<li>Each player draws <strong>four cards</strong>.</li>



<li>Find the two cards in your hand that add up closest to 13.</li>



<li>Your score is how far away from 13 you are. Add to 14? You scored 1. Add to 10? You scored 3.</li>



<li><strong>Low score wins.</strong> Play five rounds.</li>
</ol>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Every player works their own four cards, so nobody is waiting and nobody is racing. Scale it up to five cards in a hand, or down to Lucky 10 for younger students.</p>



<h4 id="h-game-3-go-fish-for-10s-2-4-players-combinations-of-ten" class="wp-block-heading">GAME 3: Go Fish for 10s — 2–4 players, combinations of ten</h4>



<ol class="wp-block-list">
<li>Deal five cards each, ace through nine only.</li>



<li>On your turn, ask another player for the card that would make <strong>ten</strong> with a card in your hand. Holding a six? Ask for a four.</li>



<li>Got it? Lay the pair down. Didn&#8217;t? Go fish.</li>



<li>Play until the deck runs out. Most pairs wins — or just play until the bell.</li>
</ol>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This is the one Gina recommends for first grade and early second. Combinations of ten are the gateway to almost every later addition strategy, and this locks them in without a single worksheet.</p>



<h3 id="h-discussion-guide-talking-about-math-fact-fluency-in-a-staff-meeting" class="wp-block-heading">Discussion Guide: Talking About Math Fact Fluency in a Staff Meeting</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Built for a grade-level team, a math department, or a full faculty. Plan on 45 minutes. Bring a deck of cards for every three people. This discussion guide combined with the podcast is a great beginning journey into the content in the show and ultimately in the book.</p>



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<h4 id="h-optional-follow-up-commitment" class="wp-block-heading">Optional follow-up commitment</h4>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Ask each teacher to name one thing they&#8217;ll stop and one thing they&#8217;ll start before the next meeting. Write them down. Revisit in four weeks.</p>



<h2 id="h-other-shows-for-elementary-teachers-and-math-coaches" class="wp-block-heading">Other Shows for Elementary Teachers and Math Coaches</h2>



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<li><strong><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/s4e1/">Cool Cat Teacher Talk S4E1 — Teachers Share Their Best Tips for Learning Math Facts, plus AI Safety News</a></strong> — Jennifer and Gina&#8217;s full appearance on the radio and TV show. Longer interview, more games, including Go Fish for 10s and Rectangle Fit.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e913/">A Cool Secret for Helping Kids Understand Math</a> — Tinashe Blanchet on project-based learning in math class.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/talkmath/">How to Make Math ENGAGING: 10 Experts Weigh In</a> — a three-part series on reducing math anxiety and building curiosity.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/elementary/">Epic Elementary Super Show</a> — executive functioning, reading, and math differentiation for the elementary classroom.</li>
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<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/category/podcast/">All 10 Minute Teacher Episodes</a></li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you know a teacher who is still giving timed tests because nobody ever handed them an alternative, send them this episode and a deck of cards.</p>



<h2 id="h-episode-transcript" class="wp-block-heading">Episode Transcript</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This transcript was generated using AI and has been reviewed by humans for accuracy. Minor errors or artifacts may remain but I worked my best to find any issues with the transcript as I reviewed the show. – Vicki</em></p>



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<p><strong>Vicki Davis (00:01):</strong> Math games that build fluency while kids have fun. This is a Wonderful Classroom Wednesday, episode 962. Now that we&#8217;re five days a week, I&#8217;ve got all kinds of free resources attached to every episode. So this is episode 962. You can go to coolcatteacher.com forward slash E962 and get all the free resources to bring these ideas to your classroom.</p>
<p><strong>Announcer (00:29):</strong> This is the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast with your host, Vicki Davis.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (00:33):</strong> Math can be fun. Today, we&#8217;re talking to two leaders in math education, Dr. Jennifer Bay-Williams and Dr. Gina Kling, who can help us see just how fun math can be. Dr. Jennifer Bay-Williams is a national leader in mathematics and a lead writer to the AMTE Standards for the Preparation of Teachers of Mathematics. She&#8217;s authored 18 books, and she is co-author with our other guest today, Dr. Gina Kling, of <em>Math Fact Fluency</em>. And those of you watching on YouTube and TV, I&#8217;m holding up their book, which has 60-plus games and assessment tools to support learning and retention. Jennifer, am I right? Did you say the word &#8220;math&#8221; and &#8220;games&#8221; on this same cover of the book? And is that possible?</p>
<p><strong>Jennifer Bay-Williams (01:22):</strong> It&#8217;s not just possible. It&#8217;s really best practice. Playing a game to learn basic facts is fun. Also, students are in a low-stress environment where they&#8217;re working with a peer playing the game. So they&#8217;re actually getting a lot of practice. And if they get stuck or they don&#8217;t know what to do, their friend can give them a tip or an idea to figure out the fact. In the end, they learn their facts better and they have a stronger, positive feeling towards math learning.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (01:52):</strong> While I ended up loving math, I&#8217;ll admit we used to do the round the world thing, and the hardest thing I ever learned was math facts. It was harder to me than calculus because I struggle with memorization. And I just remember getting physically ill, where you would get up out of the desk and whoever got the fact the fastest could advance. It just drove me crazy. Do all of the games, Jennifer, have to be stressful, or can they actually be fun?</p>
<p><strong>Jennifer Bay-Williams (02:14):</strong> I love this question. And I&#8217;ve taught pre-service teachers, elementary teachers in particular, for 30 years. And when I ask what is their worst memories of math, that around the world comes up all the time. It has caused so much distaste for math. That&#8217;s the softest term I can give it — anxiety on the other end.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s such a bad practice. Let&#8217;s eliminate the bad practices first. The games in the book, none of them have that competitive, be-fast component to them. Their strategy, like low stress. So for example, they use simple dice, simple cards. You would turn over a card or roll a dice to solve your problem to get like a spot on the game board. And then it&#8217;s my turn and I roll the dice and solve my own problem to find my spot on the game board. I&#8217;m not competing with you either, Vicki. We&#8217;re just playing the game. And then the winner is the random person that&#8217;s rolling well that day.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s their strategy in the games that are fun. But the key of the games is to make sure they&#8217;re not about speed, because when students are under pressure to be fast, it blocks their thinking. To be clear, they will end up automatic and fast with their facts through this low-stress, engaging, game-based approach.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (03:23):</strong> We&#8217;ve talked about around the world, but what about timed tests? What&#8217;s your opinion? Let&#8217;s go there.</p>
<p><strong>Jennifer Bay-Williams (03:29):</strong> Timed tests need to be abandoned.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (03:31):</strong> Really?</p>
<p><strong>Jennifer Bay-Williams (03:32):</strong> Is that a good enough answer?</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (03:33):</strong> Completely out the door. Give us the whys.</p>
<p><strong>Jennifer Bay-Williams (03:36):</strong> The intention of using them is to make kids faster. Using a timed test doesn&#8217;t make a child faster. It can make them anxious. You think about that around the world feeling you have. The timed test is like, I&#8217;ve got to hurry up. When you feel stressed, you just can&#8217;t think through things. What I&#8217;ve noticed in watching students under time pressure is they really drop back to a more primitive strategy like skip counting or counting, instead of taking the time to think through a more efficient way to get to the answer. Those timed tests are actually not supporting their progress forward, can be emotionally challenging. They&#8217;re ineffective.</p>
<p>The third reason I would say — when we get the results of that timed test and we see that they got six times seven incorrect, we don&#8217;t really know why. And when they get it correct, we don&#8217;t know if they were skip counting still or if they just knew the answer. The evidence that we get from those tests don&#8217;t really help us help the student to really master their facts, to become good at their facts. So it&#8217;s not a useful assessment tool for teachers either.</p>
<p>So there&#8217;s so many better options out there. Could we just abandon the tests that have been creating such negative feelings about mathematics for decades? Could we please just not use those anymore?</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (04:46):</strong> Wow. Gina, what do you want to add?</p>
<p><strong>Gina Kling (04:47):</strong> Yeah, I think, you know, a really important idea, too, to think about are the messages we give to kids. And if we do these great games and, like, number sense routines are very popular to use as well, and we give this message that, hey, we value your thinking, we value your creativity, your strategies — then we give a timed test. We&#8217;re no longer giving the message that we value their thinking and creativity and problem solving. That&#8217;s confusing, right? It&#8217;s confusing to any of us to get mixed messages, but that&#8217;s really confusing to kids.</p>
<p>It muddies the waters of what it means to be fluent and what we value in terms of them being mathematicians. I mentioned earlier our definition of fluency. Yes, accuracy and efficiency are part of that. Flexibility and appropriate strategies are the other two components. And so, as Jenny mentioned, timed tests don&#8217;t give us a measure of all of those things. In fact, I question whether they give us a measure of any of those things, because so many kids just shut down when given a timed test. And then we can&#8217;t even see their accuracy.</p>
<p>I remember years ago doing professional learning with some teachers, and this one teacher said, &#8220;Well, you know, I&#8217;ve noticed the kids know their facts when they play their games, but then when I give them the timed test, they don&#8217;t know their facts.&#8221; And it&#8217;s like, well, why give them the timed test then? Like, you already knew it from the gameplay.</p>
<p>None of us are looking for more things to do. We don&#8217;t have enough time. We have to be strategic with what we&#8217;re doing and making sure that our assessments align with what it is that we value in our teaching. Jenny pointed out also, we need to give teachers alternatives — game observation, interviews, strategy writing. There&#8217;s so many different ways that we can get better data. It&#8217;s not that we don&#8217;t need to assess where our kids are at. We can get better assessment data through other.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (06:29):</strong> I just remember the sick feeling of my first timed test. It was half done. I remember going home and saying, &#8220;I know the facts. It&#8217;s just when she called time.&#8221; And then we just spent so much effort on getting me faster. I&#8217;ll even tell my students now, be real careful about judging yourself in what you think you do at math, because I loved algebra. I adored calculus. Help me understand why calculus at Georgia Tech is more doable and less stressful than math facts in first grade.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the thing about timed tests is that when you turn that timer off and you just hand it to them and ask them to do it, a lot of times they get it done faster than you would have timed them for anyway. If a kid needs the time, they use it. If they don&#8217;t need the time, they don&#8217;t use it. Honestly, I don&#8217;t really even understand why we time things like the SAT, especially now that it&#8217;s electronic. Kids tend to use the time that they need.</p>
<p><strong>Jennifer Bay-Williams (07:26):</strong> So Vicki, you&#8217;re probably in a very small minority of somebody that made it to calculus when you didn&#8217;t fare well with timed tests. And that&#8217;s one of the problems — is people decide when they&#8217;re six that they&#8217;re not good at math because of the timed test. That&#8217;s another compelling reason to not use them.</p>
<p>When I ask teachers, why are we using them in any ways if they&#8217;re not good formative assessments and they cause anxiety and you don&#8217;t get good data from them? And the answers I get are, we don&#8217;t have anything else to use. Our book has two chapters on that. It&#8217;s what we&#8217;ve always done. Let&#8217;s change that. That hasn&#8217;t been working for us.</p>
<p>The thing you just mentioned, the end-of-year exams, which are timed — but they&#8217;re not timed like a timed test. You&#8217;re not doing, let&#8217;s see, 20 problems in one minute. They&#8217;re set up with 45 minutes, which is plenty of time to solve those problems if you&#8217;ve really learned those math topics. And a lot of states have canceled the time factor, and now schools are dealing with another problem, that those tests just linger on and take more of their instructional time because there&#8217;s no time limit on them.</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s a whole different phenomena, the end-of-year exams, and certainly not an explanation of why they need timed tests. You know, you can&#8217;t be talking about the SAT they&#8217;re going to take when they&#8217;re juniors in high school as a reason to put a, you know, six-year-old under a timer to solve, you know, 60 problems as fast as they can.</p>
<p><strong>Gina Kling (08:45):</strong> And I could add on to that. There was an example this winter. I was working in a school district and a kindergarten teacher said, &#8220;Well, I do this because they need to learn how to handle pressure.&#8221; Which again, you&#8217;re thinking a five-year-old, a six-year-old. That&#8217;s scary to think.</p>
<p>But what happens then is they equate that feeling with math. I don&#8217;t know the psychology of how we can best help kids learn how to handle pressure situations, but I don&#8217;t want it linked with math. Our goal is to help them learn how to deal with pressure. Take it out of the math classroom. Find other ways of doing that. We need to separate it from math. Otherwise, we&#8217;re never going to get beyond the math anxiety that&#8217;s crippling so many of these potential rich mathematical thinkers.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (09:22):</strong> A lot of it comes back to the fact that my mom was a teacher, and I remember hearing her tell my dad her education is not going to be over before it starts, because this was first grade for me. And we spent a whole lot of time after dinner counting apples and counting this and counting that and so much time.</p>
<p>Not everybody has the tutor like I had to help me understand, because if she hadn&#8217;t intervened, my whole life would have been different just because of timed tests. And I was good in school. I was valedictorian in my high school class. I was first in my class at Georgia Tech. And when I tell people that math facts were so hard for me, I&#8217;ve had people roll their eyes at me. I&#8217;ve had people make fun of me as an adult.</p>
<p>Do they know their math facts? Yes, they need to know them — but not do they need to do X number of problems at X amount of time.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that you&#8217;re talking openly about this, and I don&#8217;t want anybody to think that we are advocating for sorriness or not knowing math. We want them to know math. We want them to have excellence. But this is a better way to excellence than having people have their whole life changed.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (10:25):</strong> Gina, do you have like a favorite game that&#8217;s your go-to when you kind of start those math facts?</p>
<p><strong>Gina Kling (10:31):</strong> I do, absolutely. And you know what? As soon as we started talking about it, I thought, boy, I wish I grabbed a deck of cards, because it&#8217;s my favorite game. I&#8217;m gonna go out on a limb and think it&#8217;s probably Jenny&#8217;s favorite game too. It&#8217;s the game that kind of brought us together as writing partners. And it&#8217;s called Salute.</p>
<p>Where, if the three of us were playing — I was the dealer. I would give you each a card that you would put up on your foreheads, but you wouldn&#8217;t be allowed to look at. So you would each be holding up a card. I would look at your cards. And I would tell you what the sum of those two cards are. And then you would — so Vicki, you would look at Jenny. So let&#8217;s say I said the sum was 16. And you look at Jenny and you see a nine. You can figure out what your missing addend is. The same time, Jenny&#8217;s looking at you and she&#8217;s seeing a seven on your forehead and figuring out that she has a nine. And then we just rotate roles.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one of my favorite games because it is so incredibly engaging. Family math nights and parents and kids together are getting engaged. But I also love it because as much as we want math to be fun, it&#8217;s got to be meaningful. It&#8217;s got to have mathematical meat to it. And that particular game, they&#8217;re using addition, they&#8217;re using subtraction. We can actually adapt it when they get a little older to multiplication and division. They all have a different role in the game that they all depend on each other to be able to make the game work.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s just a mathematically rich game. Imagine kids playing that for 15 minutes — all the facts they&#8217;re practicing, probably the same number of facts as they would on a worksheet, but they&#8217;re so much more engaged. And that engagement is going to make that understanding last. That&#8217;s a fun one.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (11:58):</strong> One of the biggest obstacles I have in computer science is if I ever hear a parent say, &#8220;I was never good at computer.&#8221; And one of the things I see in math in particular, the parents will say, &#8220;Oh, I was never good at math&#8221; too. And they try to pigeonhole their child, create that block. How do you coach teachers to be respectful and honoring of the parents — because we work with parents, not against parents — to help kids have an open mind that, hey, I can be good at math? Because our future as a country is grounded in, can we really get this math thing turned around. It&#8217;s important.</p>
<p><strong>Gina Kling (12:34):</strong> We have a whole chapter in our book. Our last chapter is about communicating, like, with the broader community, primarily families, and the experiences that we provide not only for children in our schools but for families, in terms of rethinking what it means to be good at math — because that&#8217;s really where the source of the problem is. You know, the notion that they had of what it meant to be good at math, being fast, being good at memorizing, really has very little to anything to do with being good at it. Like, what we value is problem solving, perseverance.</p>
<p>And so not only sharing those messages in our schools, both with how we teach kids but also how we assess kids, that we have that coherence — that, yeah, I value your thinking, I value the fact that you&#8217;re sticking with this problem and working really hard — but then providing environments for parents to explore that. Something very engaging around a family math night.</p>
<p>We send home bookmarks with some of our games and game baggies that just give guidance to parents on how to play math games with their kids, how to ask questions — like just asking their children as they play, &#8220;How did you figure it out? Can you think of another way you could figure that out?&#8221; Because they don&#8217;t know, because they probably never had experiences playing math games as kids. We need to help coach our parents to not only understand what it really means to do mathematics effectively and how they can best help their children with that. It really is changing the narrative around all of that.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (13:54):</strong> I love that. Jenny, did you want to add anything?</p>
<p><strong>Jennifer Bay-Williams (13:56):</strong> We do want to help parents. Parents want to help their child. And so we&#8217;re going to help them help their child by pointing out that math is no more inherited than reading or social studies. It&#8217;s acquired through hard work and good experiences. And if they feel not good at math, then they&#8217;ll be excited that we&#8217;re trying to remove some of the things in our ways of teaching that have caused those bad feelings, like timed tests — and replace them with things that lead to that confidence and competence, like learning about strategies so that you can figure the problem out. You don&#8217;t have to rely on your memory.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what we&#8217;re trying to do, is to really bolster students&#8217; confidence and competence early on, because they carry that forward. And so the way the parents can help is they can be open that they didn&#8217;t have a good math experience, but they have to help the student recognize that that was through their own experiences and not some sort of genetic flaw.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (14:49):</strong> Exactly. Saying, I think you have a great teacher. I would love it if you would have a great experience so you can help me with math. Spin it around, because we want our children to be excellent. Oh, this has been such a delightful conversation.</p>
<p><strong>Jennifer Bay-Williams (15:04):</strong> To make your life easier playing those games — there is a companion website where the games are downloadable. Half of the games are downloadable. It&#8217;s a free website for anyone. The Kentucky Center for Mathematics developed this website during COVID and just as a service to ASCD. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s located on the Kentucky Center for Mathematics website.</p>
<p>But if you just Google the title of the book, <em>Math Fact Fluency</em> Companion Website, and you look for the picture of the purple book, you&#8217;ll end up on that website. Half the games are there. They&#8217;re in English and in Spanish. There are student recording pages. Some of the assessment tools are there as well. If you want to play Subtraction Stacks, you don&#8217;t have to make that game board, or Trios. It&#8217;s downloadable on the website.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (15:43):</strong> Dr. Gina Kling and Dr. Jennifer Bay-Williams, thank you for having this.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis (15:49):</strong> Thanks for tuning in to the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast. Watch the video version of this podcast and catch my new radio and TV show, Cool Cat Teacher Talk, on YouTube and a radio or TV station near you. Join my Cool Cat Teacher Classroom Matters newsletter at coolcatteacher.com forward slash newsletter. Leave a review if you found this helpful. See you later, educator.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e961/" title="How to Make VR Actually Work in Your Classroom" rel="nofollow"><img width="1024" height="576" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/961-meghan-philbrook-template1-1024x576.png" class="webfeedsFeaturedVisual wp-post-image" alt="" style="display: block; margin: auto; margin-bottom: 5px;max-width: 100%;" link_thumbnail="1" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/961-meghan-philbrook-template1-1024x576.png 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/961-meghan-philbrook-template1-300x169.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/961-meghan-philbrook-template1-768x432.png 768w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/961-meghan-philbrook-template1-1170x658.png 1170w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/961-meghan-philbrook-template1-585x329.png 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/961-meghan-philbrook-template1.png 1280w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a><p>From the Cool Cat Teacher Blog by Vicki Davis <P>Subscribe to the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast and Cool Cat Teacher Talk anywhere you listen to podcasts.</p>
<p>Meghan Freeman handed her staff 46 VR headsets and gave them a full year to play before a single student put one on. Here is how to make VR actually work in your classroom, plus a long list of free 360 tours and VR resources you can use with no headset at all.</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e961/" title="How to Make VR Actually Work in Your Classroom" rel="nofollow"><img width="1024" height="576" src="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/961-meghan-philbrook-template1-1024x576.png" class="webfeedsFeaturedVisual wp-post-image" alt="" style="display: block; margin: auto; margin-bottom: 5px;max-width: 100%;" link_thumbnail="1" decoding="async" srcset="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/961-meghan-philbrook-template1-1024x576.png 1024w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/961-meghan-philbrook-template1-300x169.png 300w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/961-meghan-philbrook-template1-768x432.png 768w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/961-meghan-philbrook-template1-1170x658.png 1170w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/961-meghan-philbrook-template1-585x329.png 585w, https://www.coolcatteacher.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/961-meghan-philbrook-template1.png 1280w" sizes="(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" /></a><p>From the Cool Cat Teacher Blog by Vicki Davis <P>Subscribe to the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast and Cool Cat Teacher Talk anywhere you listen to podcasts.</p>

<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Using VR in the classroom isn&#8217;t always easy. But how can you use those headsets your school lets you &#8220;check out&#8221; and use? What are practical ways to teach with these tools? And how can you design amazing uses of the VR headset that fit with what you&#8217;re trying to teach? We&#8217;ll learn about all of this and more in today&#8217;s show.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Also, in this post, we&#8217;ll be sharing lots of free VR resources from Meghan and other resources for use in your classroom even if you do not have a headset for your students. You can do some of these on a Chromebook! I&#8217;d encourage you to have one or two VR experiences this school year (and who knows, if you love it, it might even be more). Take a field trip into VR!</p>



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<p style="margin:0;font-size:19px;line-height:1.55;color:#ffffff;font-style:italic;">“When you&#8217;re looking at designing the virtual reality experience for a student, the wow needs to be secondary to the why.”</p>
<p style="margin:12px 0 0;font-size:16px;line-height:1.4;color:#ffba08;font-weight:700;">Meghan Freeman</p>
<p style="margin:2px 0 0;font-size:14px;line-height:1.4;color:#ffffff;">Co-Founder and Co-CEO, Illuminate XR</p>
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<div class="wp-block-yoast-seo-table-of-contents yoast-table-of-contents"><h2>Table of contents</h2><ul><li><a href="#h-listen-to-the-show" data-level="2">Listen to the Show</a></li><li><a href="#h-key-takeaways-for-teachers-from-meghan-freeman" data-level="2">Key Takeaways for Teachers from Meghan Freeman</a></li><li><a href="#h-resources-mentioned-in-this-episode" data-level="2">Resources Mentioned in This Episode</a></li><li><a href="#h-about-meghan-freeman" data-level="2">About Meghan Freeman</a></li><li><a href="#h-free-vr-and-360-resources-for-teachers-and-administrators" data-level="2">Free VR and 360° Resources for Teachers and Administrators</a><ul><li><a href="#h-free-vr-and-360-experiences-that-need-no-headset" data-level="3">Free VR and 360° experiences that need no headset</a></li><li><a href="#h-free-apps-once-your-school-has-headsets" data-level="3">Free apps once your school has headsets</a></li><li><a href="#h-free-tools-where-students-build-not-just-visit" data-level="3">Free tools where students build, not just visit</a></li></ul></li><li><a href="#h-more-vr-and-ar-shows-from-cool-cat-teacher" data-level="2">More VR and AR Shows from Cool Cat Teacher</a><ul><li><a href="#h-books-on-ar-and-vr-in-the-classroom" data-level="3">Books on AR and VR in the classroom</a></li><li><a href="#h-books-on-ai-and-emerging-tech-in-the-classroom" data-level="3">Books on AI and emerging tech in the classroom</a></li><li><a href="#h-follow-arvrinedu" data-level="3">Follow #ARVRinEDU</a></li></ul></li><li><a href="#h-listen-and-subscribe" data-level="2">Listen and Subscribe</a></li><li><a href="#h-episode-transcript" data-level="2">Episode Transcript</a></li></ul></div>



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<h2 id="h-key-takeaways-for-teachers-from-meghan-freeman" class="wp-block-heading">Key Takeaways for Teachers from Meghan Freeman</h2>


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<li><strong>The wow has to be secondary to the why.</strong> A headset guarantees you a student&#8217;s full attention for a few minutes — the question is whether you planned what to do with it, or just hoped the technology would be enough.</li>



<li><strong>Before you book the equipment, finish this sentence: what can my students do in VR that they can&#8217;t do in my room?</strong> Chemicals you can&#8217;t safely handle. A dissection a student is allowed to opt out of. A seat in the Oval Office. If you can&#8217;t finish the sentence, the headsets can wait.</li>



<li><strong>Fifteen minutes for the first session. Twenty-five to thirty minutes, maximum, ever.</strong> Meghan gets carsick, and she was surprised how much the headset affected her equilibrium. Because she is sensitive to this, she designs in short sprints and stops well before anyone&#8217;s stomach turns.</li>



<li><strong>Classroom management in VR is still classroom management.</strong> Spatial audio so students only hear the person beside them, the ability to seat students where you want them, mute, and locking down the web browser. As she puts it, your smartest kiddos will find the loopholes in your system.</li>



<li><strong>She gave her staff a full year to play before a single student put on a headset.</strong> Forty-six devices, a year of teachers arguing about what worked, and the policy came out of what they found — not out of a binder someone wrote in advance.</li>
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<p style="margin:0;font-size:16px;line-height:1.6;color:#03256c;">Remember, you don&#8217;t need a headset to start. I&#8217;ve given you some free 360 tours below. Use American Revolution 360 or a Space Station 360. Bring them up on the board or on your Chromebooks. Have a “scavenger hunt” and put students in groups to think-pair-share as you ask questions like “How do the astronauts eat?” or “Describe how the soldiers camped at the battle.” Find questions they can answer by looking at the space. Look below — I&#8217;ve given you lots of ideas for your classroom!</p>
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<h2 id="h-resources-mentioned-in-this-episode" class="wp-block-heading">Resources Mentioned in This Episode</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">These are the tools Meghan named on the show:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong><a href="https://illuminatexr.com">Illuminate XR</a></strong> — Meghan&#8217;s company. Immersive learning experiences plus IXR Nexus, a platform built to make student reasoning visible, and a VR algebra experience called <em>For All Time</em>.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://engagevr.io/">ENGAGE XR</a></strong> — the VR platform Illuminate XR builds on. Meghan chose it for security: no metrics collection or profiling on students, plus strong teacher controls for seating, muting, and locking down browsers.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.meta.com/quest/">Meta Quest</a></strong> — the headset Meghan uses. She&#8217;s quick to say there are many good options at many budgets.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.meta.com/experiences/brink-traveler/3635172946605196/">BRINK Traveler</a></strong> — the app she names for taking students to real places they&#8217;ve never been, built from photogrammetry of actual locations.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://curioxr.org/">Curio XR</a></strong> — not named on the show, but worth your time: free XR sessions for schools from VR in Schools, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, built with university partners and running on hand tracking so students don&#8217;t have to learn controllers first.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Meghan also mentions Windows Mixed Reality headsets, which Vicki used years ago — Microsoft has since discontinued that line. And the &#8220;walk the plank&#8221; experience she describes at the top of the show is a well-known VR demo, but she doesn&#8217;t name the specific app.</em></p>



<h2 id="h-about-meghan-freeman" class="wp-block-heading">About Meghan Freeman</h2>


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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>Meghan describes her background this way:</em></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Meghan Freeman M.Ed. is an education leader, visionary strategist, and Co-CEO of an innovative immersive learning company. As the founder and previous CEO of Elite Academic Academy, Meghan built a school from the ground up, growing it into a California Distinguished School with statewide honors for academic performance, growth, and innovation. Under her leadership, the school defied the odds of post-pandemic learning loss and redefined what success can look like for students, families, and educators.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Now, as the Co-Founder and Co-CEO of a cutting-edge immersive learning company Illuminate XR, Meghan is shaping the future of education through extended reality (XR), AI, and neuroscience-backed design. Her work centers on empowering learners with the human skills, technological fluency, and emotional intelligence needed to thrive in an unpredictable world. She believes the best learning happens at the intersection of innovation and connection.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Known for her hands-on leadership and relentless pursuit of results, Meghan has led teams through rapid growth, disruptive change, and mission driven expansion all while staying rooted in empathy, excellence, and equity. Whether mentoring educators, designing frameworks, or launching new ventures, she leads with purpose, heart, and vision.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>The descriptions of her school&#8217;s recognition and results above are Meghan&#8217;s own account and have not been independently verified.</em></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Connect with Meghan:</strong> <a href="https://meghankfreeman.com">meghankfreeman.com</a> · <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ms-meghan-freeman-m-ed-b47233153">LinkedIn</a> · <a href="https://illuminatexr.com">Illuminate XR</a></p>



<h2 id="h-free-vr-and-360-resources-for-teachers-and-administrators" class="wp-block-heading">Free VR and 360° Resources for Teachers and Administrators</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here&#8217;s the honest truth about classroom VR: most teachers don&#8217;t have headsets, and the ones who do usually have a cart of six for a building of forty teachers. So this list starts where almost everybody actually is — a laptop, a Chromebook, a projector, and a class that would love to go somewhere today.</p>



<h3 id="h-free-vr-and-360-experiences-that-need-no-headset" class="wp-block-heading">Free VR and 360° experiences that need no headset</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Every one of these runs in a browser. Put it on the projector, hand a student the mouse, and go.</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong><a href="https://www.amrevmuseum.org/virtual-museum-tour">Museum of the American Revolution Virtual Tour</a></strong> — a 360° panoramic walkthrough of the whole museum. A genuinely good starting point for social studies, and it costs you nothing but the click.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://xrguide.app/webxr">XR Guide — WebXR directory</a></strong> — use the search box at the top. This is a directory of experiences that run right in the browser, no headset and no app store required. It&#8217;s the fastest way to find something in your subject.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.nasa.gov/nasa-at-home-virtual-tours-and-apps/">NASA at Home: Virtual Tours and Apps</a></strong> — NASA&#8217;s hub for virtual tours and apps, free like everything else NASA makes.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.nasa.gov/stem-content/commercial-crew-program-virtual-reality-tours/">NASA Commercial Crew Program VR Tours</a></strong> — my pick of the NASA collection, with versions built for grades 5–8 and grades 9–12. <strong>Here&#8217;s what makes these different from most free VR:</strong> every tour comes with PDFs carrying NGSS standards, math standards, and actual lesson plans. Here&#8217;s one from the <em>Preparing to Launch America</em> guide: <a href="https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/ps-03428-1-preparing-to-launch-america.pdf">Build and Launch a Foam Rocket</a>, a 60-minute activity for grades 2–8 that carries NGSS standards K-PS2-1, 3-PS2-2, and MS-ETS1-1, -3, and -4, and walks students through the full engineering design process. That&#8217;s a VR experience with the planning already done for you.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Human_and_Robotic_Exploration/International_Space_Station/Highlights/International_Space_Station_panoramic_tour">European Space Agency: International Space Station Panoramic Tour</a></strong> — a 360° walkthrough of the ISS. Pair it with the NASA tours and let students compare what they see.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/search?q=virtual%20field%20trips&amp;sort=relevant">BBC Learning Hub Virtual Field Trips</a></strong> — a searchable collection of virtual field trips. The <a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/microsites/walking-with-dinosaurs-virtual-field-trip">Walking with Dinosaurs Virtual Field Trip</a> comes with a <a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/printables/walking-with-dinosaurs-teacher-guide">teacher guide</a> and a printable <a href="https://www.bbclearninghub.com/printables/walking-with-dinosaurs-paleontologist-field-journal">paleontologist field journal</a> so students have something in their hands while they explore.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://artsandculture.google.com/">Google Arts &amp; Culture</a></strong> — a deep repository of museums and field trips. If you don&#8217;t have headsets and want your students to experience some trips, go to the homepage, pick your subject, and explore what they have to offer.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://naturalhistory.si.edu/visit/virtual-tour">Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History Virtual Tour</a></strong> — room by room through the whole museum, including exhibits that have since closed.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.360cities.net/video_gallery">360Cities Video Gallery</a></strong> — 360° video from locations all over the world. Good for geography, world languages, and &#8220;show me where this story takes place.&#8221;</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@NatGeo">National Geographic on YouTube</a></strong> — and here&#8217;s a trick worth teaching your students: <strong>look for the 360 icon on YouTube.</strong> Once you know to look for it, there&#8217;s a whole layer of the platform you&#8217;ve been scrolling past.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://edvr.se/vA3-onU-kWZ/av-scene-colosseum-part-01">Ancient Rome: The Colosseum</a></strong> — a free experience that takes students inside the Colosseum. A favorite of mine for world history.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.boeingfutureu.com/virtual-field-trips">Boeing FUTURE U Virtual Field Trips</a></strong> — 30-minute virtual field trips built with Discovery Education, with downloadable educator guides. Strong for CTE and career exploration.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.discoveryeducation.com/community/virtual-field-trips/">Discovery Education Virtual Field Trips</a></strong> — a long-running free collection across subjects.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://nearpod.com/blog/tag/virtual-field-trips/">Nearpod Virtual Field Trips</a></strong> — if your school already pays for Nearpod, check here before you go looking elsewhere. A large library of VR field trips is built right in, and their blog keeps a running <a href="https://nearpod.com/blog/top-10-virtual-reality-field-trips-for-the-end-of-the-year/">top-10 list</a> and <a href="https://nearpod.com/blog/virtual-reality-social-studies/">subject-specific guides</a>. You may already own the tool you were about to go shopping for.</li>
</ul>



<h3 id="h-free-apps-once-your-school-has-headsets" class="wp-block-heading">Free apps once your school has headsets</h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong><a href="https://curioxr.org/">Curio XR</a></strong> — free XR sessions for schools from a nonprofit, running on Meta Quest with hand tracking instead of controllers. Molecule building, virtual anatomy, historical simulations.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.meta.com/experiences/section/729353302874900/">Free travel and exploration apps on the Meta Quest store</a></strong> — a browsable collection of free VR travel and exploration titles. This is where I&#8217;d send a teacher who just got a headset cart and doesn&#8217;t know what to put on it.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.meta.com/experiences/anne-frank-house-vr/1958100334295482/">Anne Frank House VR</a></strong> — walk through the Secret Annex, with Anne&#8217;s own words as you move through the rooms. The <a href="https://www.annefrank.org/en/about-us/what-we-do/publications/anne-frank-house-virtual-reality/">Anne Frank House</a> makes it free of charge in seven languages, and it runs on Quest, Rift, Gear VR, Steam, and PICO. This is exactly the kind of experience Meghan means when she talks about empathy as the <em>why</em> — and it&#8217;s one to preview yourself and think carefully about before you hand it to a class.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>One caution before you download anything.</strong> Test every experience yourself first, and follow your school&#8217;s policies on apps, accounts, and student data. Meghan chose her platform specifically because it doesn&#8217;t profile students — that question is worth asking of anything you put on a child&#8217;s face.</p>



<h3 id="h-free-tools-where-students-build-not-just-visit" class="wp-block-heading">Free tools where students build, not just visit</h3>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong><a href="https://www.delightex.com/edu">Delightex Edu</a></strong> (formerly CoSpaces Edu) — the free BASIC plan lets students build 3D environments, 360° tours, interactive stories, games, and simulations, and code them with block coding or TypeScript. Scenes can be viewed in VR from a smartphone. This is the one I&#8217;d start with if you want students creating. If you followed my ISTE 2026 coverage, this is the tool Jaime Donally was demoing.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://www.tinkercad.com/">Tinkercad</a></strong> — free 3D design, electronics, and coding in the browser. Students model something, then bring it into a 3D or AR view. A good on-ramp before anyone touches a headset.</li>



<li><strong><a href="https://xrguide.app/webxr">XR Guide</a></strong> again — worth a second mention here, because browsing what other people have built is how most students figure out what they want to make.</li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And if you want the fuller conversation about student creation, two shows from the archive are still the best I&#8217;ve done on it — Sean Wybrant&#8217;s students building VR projects, and Robert Kalman&#8217;s five design tools. Both are linked below.</p>



<h2 id="h-more-vr-and-ar-shows-from-cool-cat-teacher" class="wp-block-heading">More VR and AR Shows from Cool Cat Teacher</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I&#8217;ve been covering this topic since 2017. Here&#8217;s the archive, newest first:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/iste-2026-day-2/"><strong>ISTE 2026 Day 2</strong></a> (June 30, 2026) — my own coverage of the newest immersive tools, including Jaime Donally&#8217;s demos of Delightex, Merge EDU, VirtualSpeech, and Meta Display glasses.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/iste2025/"><strong>ISTE 2025 Supershare: AI Hacks, VR Magic &amp; Microsoft Reveals</strong></a> (June 26, 2025) — Jaime Donally, Dr. Rachelle Dené Poth, and Mike Tholfsen in one show.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/ar-apps-tips-classroom/"><strong>12 AR Apps and Tips for Awesome Classrooms with Jaime Donally</strong></a> (Episode 799, March 28, 2023) — twelve specific apps, with the classroom tips to go with them.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/ai-in-vr-and-ar-with-rachelle-dene-poth/"><strong>AI in VR and AR with Rachelle Dené Poth</strong></a> (Episode 812, August 19, 2023) — the closest companion to today&#8217;s show. AI inside immersive environments, which is exactly the intersection Meghan&#8217;s company works in.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/virtual-museum-tours-ready-to-take-kids-on-a-field-trip/"><strong>Virtual Museum Tours: Ready to Take Kids on a Field Trip?</strong></a> (April 4, 2022) — more free virtual field trips, if this post left you wanting.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/how-kids-can-design-in-ar-and-vr-with-robert-kalman/"><strong>How Kids Can Design in AR and VR with Robert Kalman: 5 Tools to Use</strong></a> (Episode 638, March 4, 2020) — student creation, tool by tool.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/the-oculus-quest-why-it-is-a-game-changer/"><strong>The Oculus Quest: Why It Is a Game Changer</strong></a> (August 26, 2019) — Jaime Donally on why standalone headsets changed classroom VR.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/how-to-create-in-ar-and-vr/"><strong>How to Create in AR and VR</strong></a> (February 19, 2019) — Jaime Donally on making, not just consuming.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/how-to-use-augmented-reality-in-language-and-literature-classes/"><strong>How to Use Augmented Reality in Language and Literature Classes</strong></a> (Episode 452, March 4, 2019) — TW Williamson, from an international school in Taiwan.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/vr-ar-in-the-classroom/"><strong>VR &amp; AR in the Classroom</strong></a> (February 18, 2019) — Hall Davidson on definitions, tools, and which one matters more to teachers.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/valuable-virtual-reality-things-every-teacher-should-know/"><strong>Valuable Virtual Reality Things Every Teacher Should Know</strong></a> (Episode 432, February 4, 2019) — Steven Sato on VR and empathy.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/virtual-reality-protocols-for-the-classroom/"><strong>Virtual Reality Protocols for the Classroom</strong></a> (January 8, 2019) — Jaime Donally. If today&#8217;s episode made you nervous about management and safety, start here.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/webinar-teaching-with-augmented-reality-with-arvrinedu-classroom-enthusiasts/"><strong>Webinar: Teaching with Augmented Reality with #ARVRinEDU Classroom Enthusiasts</strong></a> (December 13, 2018) — Jaime Donally and Rachelle Dené Poth together.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e395/"><strong>5 Ways to Use Augmented Reality in the Classroom</strong></a> (Episode 395, November 29, 2018) — Lindsay Fell, elementary art.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/358/"><strong>Remarkable Teaching: Student Created Virtual Reality Projects</strong></a> (Episode 358, September 12, 2018) — Sean Wybrant, 2017 Colorado Teacher of the Year.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/ar-vr-mr-classrooms/"><strong>AR, VR, and MR for All Classrooms</strong></a> (Episode 342, August 21, 2018) — Jaime Donally&#8217;s foundational explainer. Still the clearest one out there.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e293/"><strong>Bringing Literature to Life in Open Sim</strong></a> (Episode 293, April 18, 2018) — Mary Howard&#8217;s sixth graders building the Anne Frank house.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e288/"><strong>Merge Cube Mania in Middle School</strong></a> (Episode 288, April 11, 2018) — Karen Bosch on the cheapest AR hardware in schools.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e204/"><strong>Virtual Reality as a New Educational Paradigm in the Classroom</strong></a> (Episode 204, December 7, 2017) — Enrique Cachafeiro on cost and seated-VR safety.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/e127/"><strong>Simple Virtual Reality with Google Streetview and Google Cardboard</strong></a> (Episode 127, August 15, 2017) — Donnie Piercey&#8217;s fifth graders shot 360° imagery of their own town.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/augmented-reality-virtual-reality-classroom/"><strong>Augmented Reality and Virtual Reality in the Classroom</strong></a> (Episode 29, March 9, 2017) — Steven Anderson, where this all started for me.</li>
</ul>



<h3 id="h-books-on-ar-and-vr-in-the-classroom" class="wp-block-heading">Books on AR and VR in the classroom</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Jaime Donally, who has taught more teachers about this than anyone I know:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Learning-Transported-Augmented-Virtual-Classrooms/dp/1564843998?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Learning Transported: Augmented, Virtual and Mixed Reality for All Classrooms</em></a> — the one to read first.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Immersive-Classroom-Customized-Learning-Experiences/dp/1564848531?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>The Immersive Classroom: Create Customized Learning Experiences with AR/VR</em></a> — for when you&#8217;re ready to design your own.</li>



<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Immerse-Yourself-Engaging-Experiences-Learners/dp/1564848302?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Immerse Yourself: Create Engaging AR/VR Experiences for All Learners</em></a> — a short jump-start guide.</li>
</ul>



<h3 id="h-books-on-ai-and-emerging-tech-in-the-classroom" class="wp-block-heading">Books on AI and emerging tech in the classroom</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Dr. Rachelle Dené Poth, who has been using AR and VR in her Spanish classroom for years:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/How-Teach-AI-Strategies-Activities/dp/B0CVMZX837?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>How to Teach AI: Weaving Strategies and Activities into Any Content Area</em></a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Chart-New-Course-Essential-Tomorrows/dp/1564848299?tag=httpwwwbrighc-20"><em>Chart a New Course: A Guide to Teaching Essential Skills for Tomorrow&#8217;s World</em></a></li>
</ul>



<h3 id="h-follow-arvrinedu" class="wp-block-heading">Follow #ARVRinEDU</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you take one more thing from this post, take the hashtag. <strong>#ARVRinEDU</strong> is where the AR and VR education community shares what&#8217;s actually working in real classrooms. It was started by <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaimedonally/">Jaime Donally</a>, who has been the steady, practical voice in this space for a decade — and she&#8217;s still at it, as anyone who followed my ISTE 2026 coverage knows.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Follow the hashtag wherever you already spend your time:</p>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><strong>X/Twitter</strong> — <a href="https://x.com/hashtag/ARVRinEDU">#ARVRinEDU</a> and <a href="https://x.com/JaimeDonally">@JaimeDonally</a></li>



<li><strong>LinkedIn</strong> — <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/feed/hashtag/arvrinedu/">the #ARVRinEDU feed</a></li>



<li><strong>Instagram</strong> — <a href="https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/arvrinedu/">#arvrinedu</a></li>



<li><strong>Her site</strong> — <a href="https://www.arvrinedu.com">arvrinedu.com</a>, a genuine library of ideas</li>



<li><strong>YouTube</strong> — <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCE-QLrUsoaE_yl1O1iS_Grg">Jaime Donally&#8217;s channel</a></li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Watch for <strong>#31DaysofARVRinEDU</strong>, her daily quick-tips series. It&#8217;s a month of small, usable ideas — exactly the kind of thing that makes a hashtag worth following.</p>



<h2 id="h-listen-and-subscribe" class="wp-block-heading">Listen and Subscribe</h2>



<ul class="wp-block-list">
<li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/10-minute-teacher-podcast-with-cool-cat-teacher/id1201263130">Apple Podcasts</a></li>



<li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/1CbwslaXSlpgIsAvtmNWtw">Spotify</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@coolcatteacher">YouTube</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.coolcatteacher.com/category/podcast/">All 10 Minute Teacher Episodes</a></li>
</ul>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Pick one experience from this list and put it on the calendar for this month — that&#8217;s the whole assignment.</p>



<h2 id="h-episode-transcript" class="wp-block-heading">Episode Transcript</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><em>This transcript was generated using AI and has been reviewed by humans for accuracy. Minor errors or artifacts may remain but I worked my best to find any issues with the transcript as I reviewed the show. – Vicki</em></p>



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<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> How to make VR actually work in your classroom. Episode 961 is a Tech Tool Tuesday. Our guest says the wow has to be secondary to the why. Here&#8217;s three tips. One, before you book a headset, finish this sentence: what can my students do in VR that they can&#8217;t do in my room? No sentence, no headsets. Two, count the first session at 15 minutes. And three, make that first trip a scavenger hunt. Let them find the loopholes and debrief when you&#8217;re done about how to make it better.</p>
<p><strong>Announcer:</strong> This is the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast with your host, Vicki Davis.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> There&#8217;s so many terminologies out there that sometimes it helps to do a deep dive. Meghan Freeman is an education leader and visionary strategist who now serves as the co-founder and co-CEO of Illuminate XR. It&#8217;s an immersive learning company working at the intersection of extended reality, AI, and neuroscience-informed design. Meghan, people are like, okay, what&#8217;s XR? Do we really need another acronym? What is it and what makes it different from everything else?</p>
<p><strong>Meghan Freeman:</strong> First of all, thank you so much for having me on. I&#8217;m so honored to be here today and talk a little bit about my journey and so excited about the XR space. It&#8217;s that intersection of AI and VR and all things augmented reality, right? So as this technology and this technological revolution we&#8217;re in, where new things are popping up daily, it&#8217;s allowing for that definition to include all of the new items that are coming in the future. AI, VR, augmented reality, all the exciting technological tools and assets that can help support a teacher in being better.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> For someone who knows nothing and all those acronyms just made their head spin, give us like a simple first grade explanation of these different terms and what it looks like in the classroom, like what an experience might look like in XR.</p>
<p><strong>Meghan Freeman:</strong> For me, starting back when I was running a school, I have been involved in so many tech rollouts and I was very concerned as a leader, like, oh gosh, how am I going to manage this tool? I hadn&#8217;t stepped into VR before.</p>
<p>I remember partnering with my co-CEO, Colin Cooper. It&#8217;s how I met him through a think tank. And I remember him getting me into the VR headset for the very first time. And the first thing we did was just some really fun applications. It was very exploratory and very Socratic.</p>
<p>So virtual reality is the ability for you to be able to put on a headset. I use the Meta Quest. It&#8217;s right here. And it&#8217;s at my side all the time because I&#8217;m always in VR at this point. But there&#8217;s many different ones you can use. All of them are great. And all of them are based on varying budgets. But ultimately, getting into that space and allowing to be immersed.</p>
<p>And I had never walked the plank before. I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve ever had that experience. You get in. And you go climb up, get into an elevator, go up to the very top floor. You look out. And when you look down, you genuinely feel as if you are at the top of a building and have to walk out on the plank.</p>
<p>And it was so funny because I was in my office and I really felt I was so hesitant to allow myself to even take one step forward. I have a natural fear of heights. And so it took me probably two or three times to be able to actually get the ability to be able to move one foot in front of the other, even though I knew consciously I was in my room. It was unreal. And to me, that&#8217;s when a moment clicked.</p>
<p>As someone who has a fear of heights, the ability to be able to practice that fear and the safety of my headset, I was thinking of all of my teenagers and all of my students as who come to my school who are looking for a second or maybe third chance to get their high school diploma, coming in with a variety of fears or things that they have told themselves they couldn&#8217;t do well.</p>
<p>I thought, well, Meghan, you put the VR headset, you climbed up an elevator, you walked out on the plank. And in my mind, the neurons were firing as if I was really in that space. Your mind does not understand that you are in a virtual reality space. That&#8217;s how immersed you become. When that moment happened for me, I thought this is something that could be transformational for students.</p>
<p><strong>Meghan Freeman:</strong> As a leader who&#8217;s been involved in multiple rollouts, we spent an entire year with my staff playing. So what I wanted to do was not pretend like we knew how to implement this well. I wanted to empower my staff because they are smart, they are intelligent, they are critical, they know what students like, what they don&#8217;t like. And I wanted to be able to get my leadership team. So we got 46 devices for our staff.</p>
<p>And we literally spent the entire year creating policy, playing, telling what we liked, what we didn&#8217;t like, what our concerns were, safety concerns, because at the time, we were ahead of the curve. And the ability to be able to lock down your headsets on an MDM or a device management system that was safe for children didn&#8217;t exist yet. And so we were trying to figure out how to get students in here safely. And there was a lot of questions. And as a part of my leadership, I love Question Quest. So we constantly ask teachers to sit with a question and help support us in coming up with an answer.</p>
<p><strong>Meghan Freeman:</strong> They were amazing. What came out of that journey was idea after idea of how to support students, one of them being public speaking. So if you could imagine, public speaking is something that most high school students, middle school students, even elementary school students really are fearful of — getting up in front of their peers. And as most children, do they want to be accepted?</p>
<p>And when you&#8217;re able to practice your speech in an environment where in the VR, you can change environments. You can be in a classroom. You can be on a TED Talk stage. You can be anywhere you want. And you can have actual interaction with AI, which is now bringing in the next component, an AI avatar in there that can give you feedback on how your speech went.</p>
<p>And the idea is as you go into these in practice, just like I was able to eventually walk out on the plank and actually solve that really terrifying experience for myself, we would want to see those transference of skills for students. Imagine them traveling around the world with BRINK Traveler and some of the apps that are available out there for kids to be immersed in different places they&#8217;ve never been before.</p>
<p>Imagine for technical education and what you do, Vicki, and being able to put students in situations that maybe are too expensive for a school to have, but you can recreate it in the virtual reality environment. We are very excited to be looking at this space and working really hard to ensure that teachers who know students best are at the heart of how we design.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> So let&#8217;s talk a little bit about policy. So I&#8217;ve used some VR headsets and different things. And one of the first things that I learned was really creating strict rules about when someone is in VR, respecting that person&#8217;s space. You&#8217;re not going to grief or bother or touch that person, even how at the time, because we were using some Windows Mixed Reality headsets.</p>
<p>Even at the time when it got time to take them out, how we would do that, I would say, okay, put your hand on their shoulder. Tell the person inside, okay, when they put your hand on their shoulder, it means speak quietly into their ear. It&#8217;s time to come out. Now, that was, I don&#8217;t know, 10 years ago how we did it.</p>
<p>But what are some of those things for like, how does space look? Are the students, I assume they&#8217;re seated. Are they standing? What does the space look like? And then how do you respect the person who is in VR so that you protect them? Because you truly are aware of what&#8217;s in your headset, but everything else really doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p><strong>Meghan Freeman:</strong> And classroom management is classroom management. And when you&#8217;re using a new tool, right, that was the big component and a lot of questions around classroom management. And looking at multiple applications, some of them had strengths when it came to classroom management, and some of them had areas where, okay, this is not going to work for a group environment until this happens or this happens. There was a lot of variables there.</p>
<p>So when we&#8217;re looking at it, there was a couple of platforms that really allowed for easy teacher classroom management where there were toggles between whether you could have spatial conversation so you could only hear the person next to you. But if you walked a foot away in the virtual space, you wouldn&#8217;t be hearing the entire class talking.</p>
<p>You could immediately seat students in the space so that a teacher could actually have students come focused because in the VR environment, just like if they were out on the playground or outside, they would be distracted by the world. And in order for them to focus on you for those moments of direct instruction that make sense for the reason you&#8217;re going into virtual reality, having those toggles, those controls, being able to mute, being able to limit access to any outside technologies, limiting access to web browsers, which can be really common.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s so funny. Some of your smartest kiddos will find the loopholes in your system. And so making sure they&#8217;re not accessing any type of website or web browsers while in the space, because depending on the tool that you&#8217;re using, classroom management becomes a big concern.</p>
<p><strong>Meghan Freeman:</strong> And so just like you said, it depends on how you&#8217;re applying it and what you&#8217;re doing. So at IXR, we use a program called ENGAGE, and they&#8217;re wonderful. The reason why I like them is, number one, they&#8217;re very secure. So being in this world of AI and XR, student security with safety of data is so important to me. They&#8217;re not doing any type of metrics or profiling on a student, which is really important to us here at IXR — student safety matters.</p>
<p>And I love the ability for the teacher to be able to control a lot that goes on in the environment. And they&#8217;re listening as more teachers are entering into the platform and adding more ways for teachers to have better classroom management.</p>
<p><strong>Meghan Freeman:</strong> Some experiences need to be designed for groups. So that&#8217;s another thing my team learned is that when you&#8217;re looking at designing the virtual reality experience for a student, the wow needs to be secondary to the why. And I&#8217;ve always said that it&#8217;s super, super important that the moment you get immersed, why a student is engaging in this immersion needs to be really planned and thought out.</p>
<p>So teachers do need time to sit with, okay, I&#8217;m teaching this course. I know when a student puts on a headset that they are going to be immersed. I want to get the most bang for my buck. What am I going to do? At IXR, it&#8217;s very simple for them to create a virtual reality experience for their class really quickly. And so I&#8217;m always looking for tools that amplify the teacher, allow for that personalized touch, because no one size fits all.</p>
<p>And the teacher must really think, what can I do in VR that I might not be able to do in my class? And how can I make this moment something students won&#8217;t forget?</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> So I love what you said about the wow is secondary to the why. Let&#8217;s go through a couple different things like language arts and — science, history, even math, like the chemistry. You have some quick examples you can give us?</p>
<p><strong>Meghan Freeman:</strong> For chemistry, for example, going into a chemistry lab and being able to use chemicals that you would never be able to use safely in a classroom setting and for them to see the reaction of these chemicals in an environment where they never would be hurt. That&#8217;s something that you can&#8217;t do in an environment.</p>
<p>There is in many schools dissections, right? So there is a lot of students who are legally allowed to opt out of a dissection due to ethical reasons. While in the VR, you can have a virtual reality dissection where you&#8217;re not impacting a real animal, allowing for the students to engage in the anatomy of an animal and learn because that&#8217;s so important for transferability of who we are as humans.</p>
<p>So for them to engage in something that normally maybe they wouldn&#8217;t — so many wow factors: traveling around the world, going into Shakespearean times, sitting in the Globe Theater, going back to Pompeii, going to the Statue of Liberty if you&#8217;ve never been, allowing for students to sit in the Oval Office and speak to an AI-generated president, having the ability for students to be able to explore the natural environment.</p>
<p>And if you were a social science teacher, for example, could you imagine teaching a lesson and allowing for the why of your VR environment to be letting your students experience empathy? So you could create virtual environments where you have the students being able to see perspectives in a real life location from different humans based on this point in history. And oftentimes we do that in writing, which is great. But for someone to be able to visualize that and really work and see an AI character that&#8217;s recreated and letting them experience something from multiple perspectives, doing that analysis, deciding what&#8217;s true, what&#8217;s not — those are skills that are so important for today&#8217;s children.</p>
<p><strong>Meghan Freeman:</strong> And another big wow is collaboration and communication. We&#8217;re able to do a lot of that in the traditional classroom setting through group projects, project-based learning. But the ability to be able to go up to the moon and sit on the moon and give the students the opportunity to speak to astronauts and say, okay, guys, you&#8217;re not able to get off. You have a budget. You need to convince NASA and create a way to live on the moon. Here&#8217;s all of your variables. You have access to scientists if you have questions — and letting them go into productive struggle.</p>
<p>A lot of times students these days are so fearful of failure. And that&#8217;s what real life is. Real life is just failure and then learning from it and moving forward. So allowing for the VR stage or VR experience to be the space where productive struggle becomes natural and allows for students to use their genuine curiosity to try and tackle challenging things. And if they succeed, awesome. If they don&#8217;t, they can go back in. They can try again. And they can make another mistake or conquer fear.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s so much that you can do that allows for this to be a real safe environment, kind of outside of ego, outside of what peers may see if you want to do that one-on-one for a student. So it&#8217;s a very novel, interesting, exciting way to bring learning to life in your classroom.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> Well, you know, with all the pushback on screen time, now is there any kind of like screen time limits for where you think, okay, like let&#8217;s go in VR, let&#8217;s go out of VR?</p>
<p><strong>Meghan Freeman:</strong> Great question. I am someone who gets very car sick, and so I was really shocked when getting into the VR headsets how seasick, car sick it made me. My equilibrium got off. Some people don&#8217;t experience that. Some do.</p>
<p>So I would not suggest at the beginning of any type of VR experience anything more than 15 minutes, allowing for what I call short sprints for them to be in the VR, to see the wow, to experience the necessary management style, how they can be polite and respectful in this space too. I would say no longer than 25 to 30 minutes max is the amount of time I would ever want a student in there.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> If a picture is worth a thousand words, an experience is priceless. And we always want to give kids experience and not every kid can afford different experiences to go certain places.</p>
<p><strong>Meghan Freeman:</strong> Well, in my experience, I&#8217;ve worked with students who just the traditional school system did not serve for many reasons. And many of them struggled with algebra. And so what I would say is one of the things we&#8217;re tackling currently is applying algebraic concepts to the VR sprints and giving students the ability to practice algebra in a space that&#8217;s safe.</p>
<p>Knowing the world that we&#8217;re going into, algebra is going to be more important than ever. My heart lies with students who were struggling and need the power of artificial intelligence and the power of virtual reality to support them.</p>
<p>And for our students that were coming to us really struggling, we saw the most academic gain and growth when we focused on human first and then standards second.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> I love that. Here&#8217;s the thing. If textbooks and paper and pencil worked, then we wouldn&#8217;t have so many that are going back to get their GED. We always have known that math and manipulatives go together. And what better manipulative can you have than to manipulate inside VR?</p>
<p>So many great ideas here. So we&#8217;ve been talking to Meghan Freeman, education leader and strategist who serves as co-founder and co-CEO of Illuminate XR. And thank you for coming on the show.</p>
<p><strong>Vicki Davis:</strong> Thanks for tuning in to the 10 Minute Teacher Podcast. Watch the video version of this podcast and catch my new radio and TV show, Cool Cat Teacher Talk, on YouTube and a radio or TV station near you. Join my Cool Cat Teacher Classroom Matters newsletter at coolcatteacher.com forward slash newsletter. Leave a review if you found this helpful. See you later, educator.</p>
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