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		<title>Is it just me, or is the Top 50 Tweeples to watch just stupid?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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Last week&#8217;s survey and &#8220;award&#8221; of the Top 50 Tweeples to follow of 2008 strikes me as ridiculous. Other than being another opportunity for egos to promote themselves (similar to the &#8220;vote for my SXSW session&#8221; of a few months ago), why is there any inherent value in following these people? If I don&#8217;t care [...]]]></description>
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<p>Last week&#8217;s survey and &#8220;award&#8221; of the <a href="http://prsarahevans.com/2008/10/08/just-announced-unofficial-2008-top-50-tweeples-to-follow/" target="_blank">Top 50 Tweeples</a> to follow of 2008 strikes me as ridiculous. Other than being another opportunity for egos to promote themselves (similar to the &#8220;vote for my SXSW session&#8221; of a few months ago), why is there any inherent value in following these people? If I don&#8217;t care about <a class="zem_slink" title="Web 2.0" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0">Web 2.0</a> technologies, why do I care to follow people who tweet about that? Why is the twitterverse getting so full of itself?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong. I like <a class="zem_slink" title="Twitter" rel="homepage" href="http://www.twitter.com/">Twitter</a>, I use Twitter, I teach others about Twitter &#8212; heck, I write about Twitter. I think its fun and useful.</p>
<p>This is just some kind of weird popularity contest, along the lines of People Magazine, some kind of microcosm Hot-or-Not for the inside twitter crowd. Ick.</p>
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		<title>Mile High Social Media Club: October 21st</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Many of you in the Denver/Boulder area have been waiting to hear the whens and whats of the next meeting of the Mile High Social Media Club. We finalized the details today. They will be updated later on the Ning site (you mean you haven&#8217;t been to the Ning site yet?), so check that to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.copydiva.com/wp-content/uploads/logo_smc-11.gif"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-163" title="logo_smc-11" src="http://www.copydiva.com/wp-content/uploads/logo_smc-11.gif" alt="" width="110" height="120" /></a>Many of you in the Denver/Boulder area have been waiting to hear the whens and whats of the next meeting of t<a title="Mile High Social Media Club" href="http://milehighsmc.ning.com/">he Mile High Social Media Club</a>. We finalized the details today. They will be updated later on the <a title="Mile High Social Media Club Ning Site" href="http://milehighsmc.ning.com/">Ning site</a> (you mean you haven&#8217;t been to the Ning site yet?), so check that to RSVP.</p>
<p>Mile High Social Media Club</p>
<p>When: October 21st, 2008, 5:30pm - 8:30pm</p>
<p>Where: <a title="Forest Room 5 map" href="http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;um=1&amp;q=forest+room+5,+denver+co&amp;fb=1&amp;cid=0,0,16560464802204276342&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=local_result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ct=image">Forest Room 5, Denver, Colorado</a></p>
<p>What: This gathering will be part networking, and part learning. The learning part will be a panel on using <a class="zem_slink" title="Social bookmarking" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_bookmarking">Social Bookmarking</a> and Social News for marketing, PR and outreach purposes. The panel will only be an hour, and will start at 6pm, so don&#8217;t be late if you want to take part in this piece of it!</p>
<p>Who: Panelists are:</p>
<ul>
<li><a class="zem_slink" title="Brett Borders" rel="blog" href="http://copybrighter.com/blog/">Brett Borders</a>, of <a title="Brett Borders, CopyBrighter" href="http://copybrighter.com/">CopyBrighter</a></li>
<li><a class="zem_slink" title="Jason Cormier" rel="blog" href="http://www.capturetheconversation.com">Jason Cormier</a>, of <a title="Room 214" href="http://room214.com/">Room 214</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Visit the <a href="http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/event.php?eid=29688561389">Facebook event page to RSVP</a>, or visit the Ning site and RSVP there.</p>
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		<title>Business rules of engagement in social computing: Starting with Twitter</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[After presenting two workshops this month on Social Media 101 to marketers, it occurs to me that the rules of engagement for business people might need some definition. This discussion reminds me of when forums and message boards first became popular (oh remember the days of boulder.general or StarTrek.PrimeDirective.CaptainKirkSexLife). Initial discussions on these boards were [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After presenting two workshops this month on Social Media 101 to marketers, it occurs to me that the rules of engagement for business people might need some definition. This discussion reminds me of when forums and message boards first became popular (oh remember the days of boulder.general or StarTrek.PrimeDirective.CaptainKirkSexLife). Initial discussions on these boards were fun and informative, but after awhile, the <a class="zem_slink" title="Spam (electronic)" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_%28electronic%29">spam</a> level from multilevel marketers were enough to make me run from these groups. On top of that, the vitriol that surfaced could be really off-putting.</p>
<p>Already, with <a class="zem_slink" title="Twitter" rel="homepage" href="http://www.twitter.com/">Twitter</a> entering the mainstream consciousness, thanks to <a class="zem_slink" title="CNN" rel="homepage" href="http://www.cnn.com/">CNN</a> and <a class="zem_slink" title="The New York Times" rel="homepage" href="http://nytimes.com/">the New York Times</a>, I am experiencing spam on Twitter &#8212; that&#8217;s a first. Fortunately, Twitter makes it pretty simple to deal with spammers, but again, I think there&#8217;s more to it than that. Are there basic rules of engagement for business users that we ought to follow? I think so, but I know that some <a class="zem_slink" title="Colorado Tweeters" rel="twitter" href="http://twitter.com/COTweeters">Tweeters</a> will disagree. Why? Because they feel like what they say is so damn important and compelling, that the rules don&#8217;t apply to them.<br />
For example, there are people I call the <strong>shameless self-promoters. You know who you are</strong>. There are some in the &#8220;social media guru/expert&#8221; space, always promoting just their own stuff (blog posts, conferences, etc. In my mind, this highly transparent self-promotion is nothing but spam. <strong>Remember people, this is supposed to be a conversation. It&#8217;s not all about you</strong>. What that means is, you talk, then I talk.</p>
<p>In Twitter-ville, I personally translate that idea this way: sure, promote your own stuff, but give back too &#8212; retweet someone else&#8217;s great blog post, tell me about someone else&#8217;s photos, podcasts, blog post, conferences, or other words of wisdom. Surely, you aren&#8217;t getting all your ideas just from your own genius brain?</p>
<p>But, again, as I write this, I think of a few that I follow where shameless self-promotion might makes sense. Like a business that&#8217;s tweeting updates about a sale, or a theme to those customers who want it &#8212; an example locally is for one of the few independent video/DVD stores around, <a class="zem_slink" title="The Video Station" rel="blog" href="http://thevideostation.com%20and%20http//thevideostation.com/blog">The Video Station</a>.</p>
<p>The Video Station promotes, through Twitter, themed movie watching - last week, they posted a link to a top list of <a class="zem_slink" title="Paul Newman" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Newman">Paul Newman</a> movies as a tribute. If you are a regular renter from this store, you will know that they have theme weeks often, and so they are using this as an extension of that theme.</p>
<p><strong>So what&#8217;s the difference between The Video Station and a shameless self-promoter?</strong></p>
<p>The difference is that I don&#8217;t get 8-10 tweets a day from The Video Station, so I don&#8217;t mind it at all. I get one a week. A bad example of I stopped following Whole Foods for exactly that reason &#8212; I wasn&#8217;t interested in getting multiple tweets a day promoting the store.</p>
<p>Based on my experience using Twitter for business and promotion purposes, here are my rules of engagement on Twitter for business people:</p>
<ol>
<li><strong>Promote your blog posts &#8212; but not every one</strong>: Sure, go ahead and use it to promote a blog post to those who follow you. But remember that you aren&#8217;t the only person who has something compelling to offer. Have you read something today that you liked? Hated? Tweet that. Or, tweet a post from one of your cohorts.</li>
<li><strong>Use Twitter to get instant feedback</strong>: Interested in what others have to say about what you think? Who agrees? Who has another point of view? Tweet your blog post to get comments from others. I&#8217;ve asked for specific Tweeters to comment, people I know that care about the same issue. It&#8217;s a great way to start a discussion about something. Again, not for every post. Use sparingly.</li>
<li><strong>Use Twitter to inspire discussion</strong>: @<a class="zem_slink" title="JasonFalls" rel="twitter" href="http://twitter.com/JasonFalls">jasonfalls</a> asked the twitterverse to get in touch regarding small business social media case studies, because he&#8217;s interested in writing about them. Others will retweet his request, and I am certain he&#8217;ll get some good responses.</li>
<li><strong>Airport acronym tweets are boring</strong>: Glad to know you are busy, but really I don&#8217;t want to know your travel schedule is. <em>EXCEPT</em>. If you are trying to arrange a tweetup or meeting with folks locally, by all means, use Twitter as a good way to possibly connect. EXCEPT. If you are going on a vacation and want to make me jealous.</li>
<li><strong>How many posts per day? </strong>No right answer here, but this goes back to my first recommendation. If you are using Twitter to only promote yourself and your ideas, I suggest you limit those.</li>
<li><strong>Be nice</strong>: This probably ought to be the #1 rule. If you want Twitter love, then give it out. If you&#8217;re confronted by a mean tweeter, block them (thanks @leahjones for refreshing my memory on how to do that). Remember that the lines between personal and professional twitter usage are very blurry, so forgive people&#8217;s excitement about the Red Sox, or the Broncos or World Cup soccer, or the election (as long as they are nice and not mean).</li>
</ol>
<p>What do you think? What rules of engagement do you follow with Twitter? I want to know. Hey, I know, I will tweet this post and maybe get some feedback&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Let the conference come to you</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems like every day, there&#8217;s yet another conference on social media, web and search marketing, blogging, etc. Many of the presenters at the conferences are the same. Amazingly enough, the conferences are still focused in New York, Boston, San Francisco, Las Vegas and occasionally, Chicago. But, what aImage via Wikipediabout the rest of the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like every day, there&#8217;s yet another conference on social media, web and search marketing, blogging, etc. Many of the presenters at the conferences are the same. Amazingly enough, the conferences are still focused in New York, Boston, San Francisco, Las Vegas and occasionally, Chicago. But, what a<span class="zemanta-img zemanta-action-dragged" style="margin: 1em; display: block; float: right"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Golden_nugget_2000.jpg"><img style="border: medium none ; display: block" title="Golden Nugget Las Vegas" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c1/Golden_nugget_2000.jpg/202px-Golden_nugget_2000.jpg" alt="Golden Nugget Las Vegas" align="top" /></a><span class="zemanta-img-attribution">Image via <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Golden_nugget_2000.jpg">Wikipedia</a></span></span>bout the rest of the people interested in these topics that frankly don&#8217;t have the travel budget and don&#8217;t live within driving distance?</p>
<p>Well, Bryan Eisenberg has done all of us a favor, and <a href="http://www.grokdotcom.com/2008/10/02/onclick-the-online-marketing-virtual-conference-mashup/">posted an online virtual conference mashup</a> of recorded presentations from conferences he&#8217;s been to recently. At the very least, its a great place to start.</p>
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		<title>Bad form of potential hiring managers might provide clues</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The very act of following up with a job lead or a contact who has potential to need my services is occasionally fraught with peril. The kind of peril when you get no response after initial enthusiasm. I&#8217;m not talking about no response from a cold call or even a referral from a colleague, but [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The very act of following up with a job lead or a contact who has potential to need my services is occasionally fraught with peril. The kind of peril <em>when you get no response after initial enthusiasm</em>. I&#8217;m not talking about no response from a cold call or even a referral from a colleague, but only from someone who I&#8217;ve spoken with or had some email exchanges with.<br />
On the one hand, I need to fulfill on my promises &#8212; sending over a resume, call back Thursday, etc. Being that I am a person who&#8217;s spent lots of time managing customer and partner relationships, I understand the importance of managing a relationship, of the give-and-take required to know/understand that there&#8217;s commitment on both sides of the conversation. If I know I can&#8217;t meet the schedule, then I &#8216;fess up - a quick email is usually enough, or a phone message, saying &#8220;<em>Hey, I know I said I&#8217;d get back to you on X, but really won&#8217;t be able to do that until Y. Let me know if that causes a problem for you.&#8221; </em>Seems simple enough, yes?</p>
<p>Apparently not. And, the surprising piece is that of all the folks I have spoken to over the last few months, this has only happened twice. In both cases &#8212; and this is what&#8217;s weird to me &#8212; <strong>the person I was supposed to hear back from was a VP of Client Services, or some similar role</strong>. So, let that sink in. I was asked to call or respond on a certain day. I did so. I receive back the great gaping void of nothingness. From someone whose daily charge is relationship management for key customers.</p>
<p>Now, I know what you are thinking. Maybe they got too busy, or decided there wasn&#8217;t a reason to talk to you. I am really quite understanding of folks being busy, I have been there myself. And, if they don&#8217;t want to talk to me, that&#8217;s ok too. <strong>Just let me know</strong>, and I won&#8217;t call or email again - I don&#8217;t take it as an insult. The point is, what I am learning about this potential hiring manager, and how this person manages relationships?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s how I end up dealing with this situation. I give people lots of &#8220;busy&#8221; latitude. I truly empathize. So, I make the extra effort to continue to follow up for a period of time &#8212; say, two weeks. Every few days or so, stretching out longer the farther out I get. And people appreciate my persistence if they asked me to follow up. I appreciate that they are getting back to me as well, even long after the fact.</p>
<p>After a while though, I am going to stop. The message I get from nothing is pretty loud. But here&#8217;s what I don&#8217;t get. In both cases, I can easily see myself needing their services in the future. Now, I am left with a less than stellar view into client services.</p>
<p>Follow up and follow through are key to relationships. If you have no need or desire, be direct &#8212; I know I appreciate it. If you need more time, say so. Either way is better than no response.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday morning, I conducted a roundtable for the Colorado Business Marketing Association titled Social Media 101. Now, certainly, that&#8217;s a broad topic, so to get a better handle on what to cover, I surveyed those people who were planning on attending. Here are the questions and answers:
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday morning, I conducted a roundtable for the <a title="Colorado Business Marketing Association" target="_blank" href="http://www.bmacolorado.org">Colorado Business Marketing Association</a> titled <a title="social media 101" href="http://www.bmacolorado.org/event-details.aspx?eventID=-2126035748512278812">Social Media 101</a>. Now, certainly, that&#8217;s a broad topic, so to get a better handle on what to cover, I surveyed those people who were planning on attending. Here are the questions and answers:<strong /></p>
<p><strong>What tools do you want to learn about (check all that apply)?</strong></p>
<blockquote>
<ul>
<li><a title="Twitter" rel="homepage" class="zem_slink" href="http://twitter.com/">Twitter</a>/<a title="FriendFeed" rel="homepage" class="zem_slink" href="http://friendfeed.com/">Friendfeed</a>: 79%</li>
<li>Branded communities: 64%</li>
<li>Linked In: 64%</li>
<li>Podcasting: 57%</li>
<li>Blogging: 50%</li>
<li>Facebook/MySpace (<a title="Social network" rel="wikipedia" class="zem_slink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_network">Social Networks</a>): 50%</li>
<li>Wikis: 50%</li>
<li>Forums/Message boards: 36%</li>
<li><a title="Flickr" rel="homepage" class="zem_slink" href="http://www.flickr.com/">Flickr</a>: 29%</li>
<li><a title="YouTube" rel="homepage" class="zem_slink" href="http://www.youtube.com/">YouTube</a>: 21%</li>
<li>Other: 14%</li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<p><strong>Are you interested in learning how to measure/analyze <a title="Social media" rel="wikipedia" class="zem_slink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media">social media</a> activity?</strong></p>
<blockquote>
<ul>
<li>Yes: 86%</li>
<li>No:Â  14%</li>
</ul>
</blockquote>
<p>My last question was free-form, asking people what else they wanted to know about. The questions revolved around these issues:</p>
<ul>
<li>What tactics work best in my industry?</li>
<li>How does this apply to B2B companies?</li>
<li>How do you use social media for a cleaning product?</li>
<li>How can you use social media to generate leads?</li>
<li>What are best practices?</li>
</ul>
<p>I had time to scratch the surface on a small number of all the requests, and, we&#8217;re already planning for more workshops on specifics, but, we truly had an interesting discussion. The point I brought home is that the best way to think about social media (at least, from a marketing perspective) is to understand that it is a great opportunity to connect with small, niche groups of people online. The key to discovering those groups is by doing research using monitoring, search and research tools. I showed them these:</p>
<ul>
<li>Topic-based news/blog search to replace <a title="RSS" rel="wikipedia" class="zem_slink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSS">RSS</a>: <a target="_blank" title="Filtrbox" href="http://www.filtrbox.com">Filtrbox </a></li>
<li>Listening and social media monitoring tools: <a target="_blank" title="Radian6" href="http://www.radian6.com">Radian6</a>, <a target="_blank" href="http://www.collectiveintellect.com">Collective Intellect</a></li>
<li>Friendfeed room directory: <a target="_blank" title="Friendfeed room directory" href="http://ffrd.appspot.com/">http://ffrd.appspot.com/</a></li>
<li>Twitter topic search: <a target="_blank" href="http://search.twitter.com/">http://search.twitter.com/</a></li>
</ul>
<p>I also want to invite those of you who were at the roundtable to connect with the <a title="Denver Social Media Club" target="_blank" href="http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=31030772326">Denver/ Boulder Social Media Club</a>. We had our first meeting on September 23, and are planning another meeting in late October.</p>
<p>Were you there? Anything I forgot to mention that you want to remember? Leave a comment.<br />
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		<title>Have measurement tools reached some kind of saturation?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s a data point. I was at a Business Marketing Association meeting last week, talking to an agency principal who&#8217;s recently started using a social media monitoring service &#8212; the name of which I frankly can&#8217;t remember (I hadn&#8217;t heard of them before anyway). He had also demo&#8217;ed one of the bigger players in the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a data point. I was at a <a target="_blank" href="http://www.bmacolorado.org/events.aspx">Business Marketing Association meeting</a> last week, talking to an agency principal who&#8217;s recently started using a social <a class="zem_slink" rel="wikipedia" title="Media monitoring service" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_monitoring_service">media monitoring service</a> &#8212; the name of which I frankly can&#8217;t remember (I hadn&#8217;t heard of them before anyway). He had also demo&#8217;ed one of the bigger players in the space as well, but chose this new vendor because he liked the user interface better. In his mind, the actual data collection were comparable amongst all the vendors he looked at.</p>
<p>His need was not focused on <a class="zem_slink" rel="wikipedia" title="Real-time data" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real-time_data">real-time data</a> &#8212; he needed brand-related data, which any of the vendors have, some of it real time, some not, some more robust and complete, some with more sources available.<br />
What I wonder, from this very unscientific singular data point: <strong>Are measurement and social media monitoring services losing differentiation?</strong> Are they all delivering the same promise, or is it time for these folks to really work on that differentiation among the brands?</p>
<p>Certainly, there are differences &#8212; in everything from data quality to the analytics. But, are the vendors in this space doing a good job of letting the market know their differences? Do they need to at this point, or is the market big enough for continuing generic explanations of what social media monitoring or listening services offer?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s my every now-and-again list of posts that&#8217;s I&#8217;ve liked and followed recently:

I have heard many people talk about how every company should have a blog, which I really disagree with. Seems BL Ochman and I follow the same line of thinking.
Discussions of measurement and ROI abound, both in the context of scalability (and here) [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my every now-and-again list of posts that&#8217;s I&#8217;ve liked and followed recently:</p>
<ul>
<li>I have heard many people talk about how every company should have a blog, which I really disagree with. Seems <a target="_blank" href="http://www.whatsnextonline.com/mt/mt-tb.cgi/4346">BL Ochman and I follow</a> the same line of thinking.</li>
<li>Discussions of <a href="http://www.mediapost.com/blogs/metrics_insider/?p=94">measurement and ROI</a> abound, both <a target="_blank" href="http://redcouch.typepad.com/weblog/2008/09/scalability-the.html?cid=131276124#comment-131276124">in the context of scalability</a> (and <a href="http://www.beingpeterkim.com/2008/08/social-media-ma.html">here)</a> and justification of paying for <a class="zem_slink" rel="wikipedia" title="Social media" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media">social media</a> engagement.</li>
<li>And yet <a href="http://www.brandweek.com/bw/content_display/news-and-features/crm/e3i3a6a726c3dd89a14022bf301483c9241?pn=1">others on measuring Word-of-Mouth</a> and standardizing <a class="zem_slink" rel="wikipedia" title="Metrics" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrics">metrics</a> there as well.</li>
<li>Ways to <a href="http://livepath.blogspot.com/2008/09/social-media-categories.html">bucket social media technologies</a>.</li>
<li>Should <a href="http://www.pr-squared.com/2008/07/not_all_social_media_fun_games_1.html">corporate communications people show their true colors</a> when engaged online, or does that deflect from &#8220;the brand?&#8221;</li>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple of us decided that it was about time the Boulder/Denver area had regular social media meetups, so we&#8217;re taking the plunge and setting up a first gathering. This is happening on September 23rd, at 5:30pm upstairs at the Wynkoop Brewery in Lodo in Denver. We&#8217;ll probably start off with some low-key shmoozing and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of us decided that it was about time the Boulder/Denver area had regular social media meetups, so we&#8217;re taking the plunge and setting up a first gathering. This is happening on September 23rd, at 5:30pm upstairs at the <a title="map of Wynkoop Brewery" target="_blank" href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&#038;hl=en&#038;q=1634+18th+Street%2C+Denver%2C+CO">Wynkoop Brewery</a> in Lodo in Denver. We&#8217;ll probably start off with some low-key shmoozing and drinking, so, feel free to come even if you can&#8217;t make it until 6 or 6:30pm.</p>
<p>So what&#8217;s a social media club? Really a chance for marketers, bloggers, business people and general fans of social media to gather, share knowledge and ideas and commune away from the computer. Come join us!<br />
Here&#8217;s the link to <a target="_blank" href="http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=logo#/event.php?eid=30003140403">RSVP on Facebook </a>or if you&#8217;re not a Facebook fan, you can use this <a href="http://www.new.facebook.com/share_redirect.php?h=37772ccd71d6691b18d607a7d008cc25&#038;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.surveygizmo.com%2Fs%2F67305%2Fdenver-boulder-social-media-club-september-23-2008&#038;sid=26644772908">link instead.</a> Interested in finding out more about Social Media Club? <a href="http://www.socialmediaclub.org/about/">Visit the SMC web site</a>.</p>
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Though there seem to be two a week that are &#8220;must be there&#8221; conferences &#8212; this week, for example, the Shop.org Annual Summit in Vegas and Web 2.0 in NYC &#8212; I was glad to come across this helpful list today, from Paul O&#8217;Brien:

Search Engine Strategies (SES)
Pubcon (WebmasterWorld)
ad:tech
eTail
Search Insider Summit
Affiliate Summit
Shop.org
Online Market World
Direct Marketing Association
eMetrics [...]]]></description>
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</span></span>Though there seem to be two a week that are &#8220;must be there&#8221; conferences &#8212; this week, for example, the <a href="http://Shop.org" title="http://Shop.org" target="_blank">Shop.org</a> Annual Summit in Vegas and <a title="Web 2.0" rel="wikipedia" class="zem_slink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0">Web 2.0</a> in NYC &#8212; I was glad to come across this <a title="marketing conferences" target="_blank" href="http://www.seobrien.com/2008/09/affiliate-marketing/the-definitive-online-marketing-conferences-list/">helpful list today, from Paul O&#8217;Brien</a>:</p>
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<li>Search Engine Strategies (SES)</li>
<li>Pubcon (<a title="PubCon" rel="wikipedia" class="zem_slink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PubCon">WebmasterWorld</a>)</li>
<li>ad:tech</li>
<li>eTail</li>
<li>Search Insider Summit</li>
<li>Affiliate Summit</li>
<li>Shop.org</li>
<li>Online Market World</li>
<li>Direct Marketing Association</li>
<li>eMetrics Summit</li>
<li>Search Marketing Expo (SMX)</li>
<li>OMMA Expo</li>
<li>Internet Marketing Conference</li>
<li>SXSW - which you should attend just because</li>
<li>iMedia Agency Summit &#038; iMedia Summits</li>
<li>PPC Summit</li>
<li>MarketingProfs</li>
<li>American Marketing Association (AMA)</li>
<li>Online Marketing Summit</li>
<li>MIXX Expo</li>
<li>Media Relations Summit</li>
<li>ACCM (DMA)</li>
<li>DM Days (DMA)</li>
<li>Searchnomics</li>
<li>ClickZ Specifics</li>
<li>Internet Retailer</li>
<li>Web Analytics Association Base Camp</li>
<li>Next Generation Marketing</li>
<li>eRetailer Summit</li>
<li>New Marketing Summit</li>
<li>IAB Events</li>
<li>MarketingSherpaâ€™s Email Summit</li>
<li>Apartment Internet Marketing - really!</li>
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