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border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 12px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;&lt;div class="cT-imageLandscape" style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 12px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-align: center; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;&lt;img alt="Negative gearing has become much more widespread over the past decade, and much more costly in terms of lost revenue." src="http://images.theage.com.au/2011/04/24/2323547/729_house_2504-420x0.jpg" style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 12px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: bottom;" /&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: #dedede; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; clear: left; color: #333333; font-family: inherit; font-size: 0.94em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0.5em; padding-left: 0.5em; padding-right: 0.5em; padding-top: 0.3em; text-align: left; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;Negative gearing has become much more widespread over the past decade, and much more costly in terms of lost revenue.&amp;nbsp;&lt;em style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 11px; font-style: italic; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;Photo: Glenn Hunt&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;&lt;strong style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;Under the present situation, people who do not speculate, or cannot afford to do so, are subsiding those who borrow and speculate.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;FOR almost 25 years, successive Australian governments have, with varying degrees of enthusiasm, sought to promote higher levels of participation in employment, and higher levels of personal saving. These are both eminently worthy objectives, which public policy should seek to promote.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;It's therefore somewhat surprising that successive Australian governments have not merely been content to maintain a tax system that taxes income from working and saving at higher rates than those at which it taxes income from borrowing and speculating (in assets whose values increase over time, often through no effort on the part of those who acquire them).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; 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border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 12px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;" width="300"&gt;&lt;/iframe&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="cT-imagePortrait" style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; float: right; font-family: inherit; font-size: 12px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 10px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 10px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-align: center; vertical-align: baseline; width: 200px;"&gt;&lt;img alt="Most other advanced economies don’t have negative gearing." src="http://images.theage.com.au/2011/04/24/2323545/353_ng_2504-200x0.jpg" style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 12px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: bottom;" /&gt;&lt;div style="background-color: #dedede; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; clear: left; color: #333333; font-family: inherit; font-size: 0.94em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0.5em; padding-left: 0.5em; padding-right: 0.5em; padding-top: 0.3em; text-align: left; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;Most other advanced economies don’t have negative gearing.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;Under the Australian taxation system, income from working - that is, wages and salaries - are taxed at higher marginal rates than any other kind of income derived by individuals: 31.5 per cent for most Australians with full-time jobs (earning between $37,000 and $80,000 a year), 38.5 per cent for those earning more than $80,000 a year and 46.5 per cent for those earning more than $180,000 a year. Income from deposits in banks, building societies and credit unions (the form in which one-quarter of household financial assets are held) is taxed at the same marginal rates. For those contemplating entering, or re-entering, paid employment (for example, after caring for children or aged parents), and depending on their family circumstances, the interaction between the gradual withdrawal of social security benefits and the impact of tax on income from work can result in effective marginal tax rates of close to, or even over, 60 per cent, on what are quite modest levels of income.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;The Henry review concluded that ''some people [are] likely to reduce their level of work as a result'' of these very high effective marginal tax rates. This may be one reason why the workforce participation rates of women with children, and older people, are lower in Australia than in other OECD countries.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;By contrast, income from most forms of investment, other than interest-bearing deposits, is typically taxed at lower rates than similar amounts of income derived from working. Income from saving through superannuation funds, and from ''geared'' investments (that is, the purchase of assets funded by borrowing) is especially lightly taxed. The Henry review calculated that, for a top-rate taxpayer, the real effective marginal tax rates (that is, after taking account of inflation assumed to average 2.5 per cent a year, and the time at which tax is payable) on income earned from superannuation savings or highly geared property investments are actually negative; while the real effective marginal tax rate on interest income from deposits can be as high as 80 per cent.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;As the Henry review noted, ''retirement savings are generally lightly taxed around the world'', for&amp;nbsp;the good reasons that these savings are usually not as readily accessible as other forms of saving before retirement age, and that encouraging self-provision for retirement reduces the cost to other taxpayers of providing age pensions.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;Whether the taxation treatment of superannuation saving needs to be as generous as it now is in Australia to achieve those objectives is a moot point: in particular, it's hard to think of any compelling economic or social policy reason why income paid out of superannuation funds to people aged over 60 should be free of any income tax.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;By contrast, very few other ''advanced'' economies are as generous in their tax treatment of geared investments as Australia is.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;In the United States, for example, investors can only deduct interest incurred on borrowings undertaken to buy property or shares up to the amount of income (dividends or rent) earned in any given financial year; any excess of interest expense over income (as in a negatively geared investment) must be ''carried forward'' as a deduction against the capital gains tax payable when the asset is eventually sold.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;In Australia, by contrast, where interest on borrowings undertaken to finance the purchase of a property or shares exceeds the rent or dividend income generated by those investments, that excess can be deducted against a taxpayer's other income (such as wages and salaries) thereby reducing the amount of tax otherwise payable on that other income.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;The Howard government's 1999 decision to tax capital gains at half the rate applicable to wage and salary income, converted negative gearing from a vehicle allowing taxpayers to defer tax on their wage and salary income (until they sold the property or shares that they had purchased with borrowed money), into one allowing taxpayers to reduce their taxation obligations (by, in effect, converting wage and salary income into capital gains taxed at half the normal rate) as well as deferring them.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;As a result, negative gearing has become much more widespread over the past decade, and much more costly in terms of forgone revenue.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;In 1998-99, when capital gains were last taxed at the same rate as other types of income (less an allowance for inflation), Australia had 1.3 million taxpaying landlords who in total made a taxable profit of almost $700 million. By 2008-09, the latest year for which statistics are available, the number of taxpaying landlords had risen to just under 1.7 million: but they collectively lost $6.5 billion, largely because the amount they paid out in interest rose almost fourfold (from just over $5 billion to almost $20 billion over this period), while the amount they collected in rent ''only'' slightly more than doubled (from $11 billion to $26 billion), as did other (non-interest) expenses.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;If all the 1.1 million landlords who in total reported net losses in 2008-09 were in the 38 per cent income tax bracket, their ability to offset those losses against their other taxable income would have cost more than $4.3 billion in revenue forgone. If, say, a fifth of them had been in the top tax bracket then the cost to revenue would have topped $4.6 billion.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;(The revenue forgone through negative gearing was lower in 2008-09 than it was in 2007-08, because the number of taxpayers reporting rental income fell by about 51,000 (presumably as a result of the global financial crisis prompting some landlords to sell their properties), and because the substantial decline in interest rates after the onset of the financial crisis meant that fewer landlords paid more in interest than they received in net rent.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;The figures in the previous paragraph also exclude revenue forgone through negatively gearing of share portfolios or other investments, on which no details are available.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;This is a pretty large subsidy from people who are working and saving to people who are borrowing and speculating (since those landlords who are making ''running losses'' on their property investments expect to more than make up those losses through capital gains when they sell the properties.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;And it's hard to think of any worthwhile public policy purpose that is served by it. It certainly does nothing to increase the supply of housing, since the vast majority of landlords buy established properties: 92 per cent of all borrowing by residential property investors over the past decade has been for the purchase of established dwellings, as against 82 per cent of all borrowing by owner-occupiers.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;Precisely for that reason, the availability of negative gearing contributes to upward pressure on the prices of established dwellings, and thus diminishes housing affordability for would-be home buyers.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;Supporters of negative gearing argue that its abolition would lead to a ''landlords' strike'', driving up rents and exacerbating the existing shortage of affordable rental housing. They point to ''what happened'' when the Hawke government abolished negative gearing (only for property investment) in 1986, claiming it led to a surge in rents, which prompted the reintroduction of negative gearing in 1988.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;This assertion has attained the status of urban myth. However, it is not true. If the abolition of negative gearing had led to a landlords' strike, as proponents of negative gearing usually assert, then rents should have risen everywhere (since negative gearing had been available everywhere). In fact, rents (as measured in the consumer price index) actually only rose rapidly (at double-digit rates) in Sydney and Perth. And that was because in those two cities rental vacancy rates were unusually low (in Sydney's case, barely above 1 per cent) before negative gearing was abolished. In other capitals (where vacancy rates were higher), growth in rentals was either unchanged or, in Melbourne, actually slowed.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;Notwithstanding this history, suppose that a large number of landlords were to respond to the abolition of negative gearing by selling their properties. That would push down the prices of investment properties, making them more affordable to would-be home buyers, allowing more of them to become home owners, and thereby reducing demand for rental properties in almost exactly the same proportion as the reduction in the supply of them.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;It's actually quite difficult to think of anything that would do more to improve affordability conditions for would-be home buyers than the abolition of negative gearing. It would certainly do more than continuing to give large amounts of cash to would-be first-time home buyers through grants or stamp duty concessions, which historically have served only to increase the prices of existing dwellings and ended up in the pockets of vendors.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;There's absolutely no evidence to support the assertion made by proponents of the continued existence of negative gearing that it results in more rental housing being available than would be the case were it to be abolished (even though the Henry review appears to have swallowed this assertion).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;Most other advanced economies don't have negative gearing: yet most other countries have higher rental vacancy rates than Australia does. In the US, which doesn't allow negative gearing, the rental vacancy rate has in the past 50 years only once been below 5 per cent (and that was in the March quarter of 1979); in the 10 years before the onset of the most recent recession, it has averaged 9.1 per cent. Yet here in Australia, which does allow negative gearing, the rental vacancy rate has never (at least in the past 30 years) been above 5 per cent, and in the period since negative gearing became more attractive (as a result of the halving of the capital gains tax rate) it has fallen from more than 3 per cent to less than 2 per cent. During that period, rents rose at a rate of 0.8 percentage points a year faster than the CPI as a whole, whereas over the preceding decade, rents rose at the same rate as the CPI.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;I'm not advocating that negative gearing be abolished for property investments only, as happened between 1986 and 1988. That would be unfair to property investors. I think negative gearing should be abolished for all investors, so that interest expenses would only be deductible in any given year up to the amount of investment income earned in that year, with any excess carried forward against the ultimate capital gains tax liability, rather than being used to reduce the tax payable on wage and salary or other income (as is the case in the US and most other ''advanced'' economies).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;But I'd settle for the recommendation of the Henry review, which was that only 40 per cent of interest (and other expenses) associated with investments be allowed as a deduction, and that capital gains (and other forms of investment income, including interest on deposits) be taxed at 60 per cent (rather than 50 per cent now) of the rates applicable to the same amounts of wage and salary income.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;This recommendation would not amount to the abolition of negative gearing - it would just make it less generous. It would be likely, as the Henry review suggested, ''to change investor demand towards housing with higher rental yields and longer investment horizons [and] may result in a more stable housing market, as the current incentive for investors to chase large capital gains in housing would be reduced''.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;I could even accept the Henry review's recommendation that ''these reforms should only be adopted following reforms to the supply of housing and reforms to housing assistance'' that it makes elsewhere, even though I disagree with the Henry review's concern that these reforms ''may in the short term reduce residential property investment''.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;Sadly, these recommendations were among the 19 that the Treasurer explicitly ruled out when releasing the Henry review in May.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;That makes it hard to believe that this government (or indeed any alternative government) is serious about increasing the incentives to work and save - or at least, about doing so without risking the votes of those who borrow and speculate, in effect subsidised by those who don't, or can't.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 1.2em; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0.8em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;&lt;em style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 15px; font-style: italic; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;Saul Eslake is a program director with the Grattan Institute.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/bod&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="border-bottom-width: 0px; border-color: initial; border-left-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-top-width: 0px; font-family: inherit; font-size: 12px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;span style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="articlebyline" style="font-size: 15px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;b style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;The smut in bin Laden's compound reveals the Muslim world's dirty secret: porn is rife, everyone looks at it—and the U.S. finds it in militants' hideouts all the time.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 15px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;The discovery of an "&lt;a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/13/us-binladen-porn-idUSTRE74C4RK20110513" style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;extensive&lt;/a&gt;" porn library in Osama bin Laden's compound kicked off the predictable wave of jokey headlines. Everyone from the&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://twitter.com/#!/NewYorkPost/statuses/69127789923680256" style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;New York Post&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;("Osama Gone Wild") to&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/05/porn-found-osama-bin-laden-compound-raid-911" style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;Radar Online&amp;nbsp;&lt;/a&gt;("Debbie Does Pakistan") delightfully reveled in the irony of the find.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 15px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;But should we really be that surprised that leader of one of the world's most notorious terrorist groups was living with a collection of smutty pictures or videos? In the Muslim world, conspiracy theorists are likely to call the porn story a hoax, claiming the stash was planted by the U.S. after killing bin Laden to embarrass him. Pornography, however, is the Muslim world's dirty little secret, rife in even the most conservative realms—including among the extremists.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 15px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;span class="article_img float_center" style="display: block; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; position: relative; text-align: center; text-decoration: none; width: 395px;"&gt;&lt;img alt="Article - Nomani Osama’s Porn Stash" class="" src="http://www.tdbimg.com/files/2011/05/13/img-article---nomani-osamas-porn-stash_224012564763.jpg" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 4px; border-color: initial; border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 4px; border-right-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 4px; border-style: initial; border-top-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 4px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;" width="379" /&gt;&lt;span class="photo-credit" style="color: #999999; font-size: 9px; margin-bottom: -7px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-align: left;"&gt;EPA / Landov&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Called&amp;nbsp;&lt;i style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;fuhsha&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;in Arabic, pornography is considered&amp;nbsp;&lt;i style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;haram&lt;/i&gt;, or illegal, according to most interpretations of Islam, because it publically exposes a person’s&amp;nbsp;&lt;i style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;awrah&lt;/i&gt;, the Arabic word for the zones&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.soundvision.com/Info/life/porn/isporn.asp" style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;forbidden from public eye&lt;/a&gt;. The debate over pornography, masturbation, and the line between the erotic and the pornographic is a serious one in the Muslim community. Muslims today are negotiating these issues much like the West started doing decades ago.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 15px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;In fact, the porn found in the bin Laden compound was probably not even much of a surprise to the American forces who discovered it. Porn is frequently found by military teams who engage in “sensitive site exploitation” in raids on militant hideouts and safe houses, according to current and former U.S. military officials. All such finds are evaluated for use “&lt;a href="http://file.wikileaks.info/leak/us-intelligence-exploitation-of-enemy-material-2006.pdf" style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;in an information operation (IO) campaign to mold public opinion&lt;/a&gt;.”&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 15px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;Hours after the news of the porn stash, Christine Fair, a Georgetown University terrorism expert, wrote on her Facebook page, “Of course they found porn! Every damned jihadi loves porn.” Indeed, the “USG,” or U.S. government has become so accustomed to finding porn, she said, it has “media analysts” designated to analyze the porn looking for “messages.” They work on “document exploitation.”&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 15px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;span class="PullQuote" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-bottom-style: dotted; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-top-style: dotted; border-top-width: 1px; color: #111111; display: block; font-family: 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-size: 18px; font-weight: normal; line-height: 20px; margin-bottom: 5px; margin-left: 15px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 10px; padding-left: 40px; padding-right: 40px; padding-top: 10px;"&gt;“Some of the Muslim societies that are the most repressive toward women...also have some of the highest rates of pornography usage in the world."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 15px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;It’s not clear whether bin Laden himself viewed any of the porn. On CNN, bin Laden's biographer Peter Bergen said he thought the porn wasn’t likely for the al Qaeda leader's “personal consumption.” But its presence speaks to the contradictions that permeate Muslim society.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 15px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 15px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;Last year, Google ran an analysis of its search queries and concluded Pakistan is the leading nation in sex-related, porn content searches, leading Fox News to dub the nation “&lt;a href="http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/12/data-shows-pakistan-googling-pornographic-material/" style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;Pornistan&lt;/a&gt;.” Iran came in third on the overall list, and&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.pakpoint.net/google-ranks-pakistan-1-for-pornographic-search-terms/15607/" style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;Egypt was fifth&lt;/a&gt;. (Google later&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://schott.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/29/pornistan/" style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;partially backtracked&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;on its findings, saying that its sample size was too small to be definitive.)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 15px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;Small or not, we don't need Google to tell us Muslims are looking at porn. Pakistan is home to a bustling porn black market, as well as a lucrative business enterprise and tradition of exotic dancing, called&amp;nbsp;&lt;i style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010%5C04%5C15%5Cstory_15-4-2010_pg12_3" style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;mujras&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;. Just last month, a Muslim member of parliament from the&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13032128" style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;Islamic Prosperous Justice Party&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;in Indonesia resigned after being caught watching porn on the floor of parliament. He was, ironically, a proponent of anti-porn legislation, a hypocrisy that may sound familiar to Americans who are used to seeing their conservative lawmakers busted for the very behaviors they speak out against.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 15px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;Turkey is the only&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=TbC6B1uMgSAC&amp;amp;pg=PA79&amp;amp;lpg=PA79&amp;amp;dq=turkey+pornography+magazines&amp;amp;source=bl&amp;amp;ots=oy_O8ymAgx&amp;amp;sig=x5SLO6FAGae84h5poTuN9E0-F1o&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;ei=Vs-9Teu1EeTv0gHXqpi_BQ&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;oi=book_result&amp;amp;ct=result&amp;amp;resnum=1&amp;amp;ved=0CBgQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&amp;amp;q=turkey%20pornography%20magazines&amp;amp;f=false" style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;Muslim country known to allow porn&lt;/a&gt;, experts say. But even there, increasing restrictions have kept pace with expanding Islamic conservatism. Earlier this year, three academics in Turkey were fired because a student had shot a porn film as part of his dissertation, “The Porn Project.” (&lt;a href="http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/10/students-porn-film-project-sparks-controversy-in-turkey/" style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;The student ultimately got a "D"&lt;/a&gt;).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 15px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;This is not to say that sexuality is entirely repressed in these places. Islam has a very rich tradition of sacred sexuality and eroticism. The prophet Muhammad talked about the “sweetness” of intercourse, and he dealt realistically with issues of pleasure, desire, and even sexual frustration. Children were married when they reached puberty to allow for codified expression of sexuality at the age when it ripens. The prophet told men not to leave their wives for more than six months because sexual tensions would become too high. It’s no wonder that, even while he was hiding out as the world’s most-wanted man, bin Laden was still likely getting laid by his many wives.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 15px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;But when it comes to porn, Islam draws a clear line in the sand. On YouTube, Islamic leaders and clerics have uploaded a series of tutorials on fighting “porn addiction.” A few years ago, the Center for Islamic Development in Halifax, Nova Scotia, uploaded a video by the center’s director with a simple message: “&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPR084nvuA8" style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;Islam forbids pornography&lt;/a&gt;”. He said many people ask him, “How can I get my willpower back to fight pornography addiction?” His solution was one that clerics often quote: marriage, fasting, and prayer. Another&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaR-TfB7UnE&amp;amp;feature=related" style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;e-sermon&lt;/a&gt;, linked to a campaign called PurifyYourGaze.com, acknowledges: “The painful reality for many Muslim brothers is that stopping their use of pornography is incredibly difficult, and for some it feels impossible.”&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 15px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;Not long ago, a Muslim leader published an article titled “&lt;a href="http://www.yunuspatel.co.za/articles-haraam-fantasizing.php" style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;Haramic Fantasizing&lt;/a&gt;,” outlining the supposed health issues raised by “indulgence in this sin,” which included impotence, blindness, “crookedness and twisting in the back,” and “weakness in the brain and weakness of memory”—symptoms straight out of a 1950s American sex-ed pamphlet. The cleric warned: “The bladder becomes weak,” leading to “involuntary urinary and seminal discharges...It also weakens the nerves...It causes some limbs like the legs to shake and shiver.” Ultimately, he concluded: “Excessive loss of semen is in reality excessive loss of blood. In later years, it can be that such a person will not have the ability to father any children.”&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?43754-the-harms-of-masturbation" style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;The article&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;has led to some serious debates on Muslim forums.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 15px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;But just as Prohibition didn’t stop people from drinking, warning people of masturbation's alleged risks doesn't make them turn off the porn. While Islamic law is “actually incredibly affirming of the positive aspects of sexuality as they pertain to marriage,” there is a tide in extremist Islam that encourages pornography consumption by “dehumanizing” women and men, says Omid Safi, professor of religious studies at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill and the author of&amp;nbsp;&lt;i style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;Memories of Muhammad&lt;/i&gt;, an analysis of the prophet Muhammad’s teachings and how people like bin Laden are misrepresenting them.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 15px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;“Interestingly and ironically,” says Safi, “some of the Muslim societies that are the most repressive toward women or that have the strictest gender segregations also have some of the highest rates of pornography usage in the world. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt rank as among the highest consumers of pornography worldwide. I think what is true of bin Laden, the Taliban, and many of these extremist movements is that there seems to be a link between the dehumanizing of women and the dehumanizing of the entire block of humanity, Muslims and non-Muslims included.”&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 15px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;Our Muslim communities are engaged in a cultural struggle, both spiritual and sexual, that can be illustrated by a paper titled “&lt;a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/25111497/The-Erotic-and-the-Pornographic-in-Arab-Culture" style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;The Erotic and the Pornographic in Arab Culture&lt;/a&gt;.” Written by an Islamic scholar in Khartoum, Sudan, named Adil Mustafa Ahmad, the paper argues that the “erotic,” as “lofty, spiritual, high-minded” pursuits, “has always been accepted and admired by the Arab in literature," and says, “There is no reason why, with the gradual ongoing liberation of the Arab mind from past taboos, it should not enjoy a similar position in the visual arts.”&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 15px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;Clearly, someone in the Osama bin Laden compound agreed.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="color: black; font-size: 13px; line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 15px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;i style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.asranomani.com/" style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;Asra Q. Nomani&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;is the author of&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060832975/thedaibea-20/" style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;Standing Alone: An American Woman's Struggle for the Soul of Islam&lt;/a&gt;. She is co-director of the&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://scs.georgetown.edu/pearlproject/" style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;Pearl Project&lt;/a&gt;, an investigation into the murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. Her activism for women's rights at her mosque in W.V. is the subject of a PBS documentary,&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://www.themosqueinmorgantown.com/MIM/The_Mosque_in_Morgantown.html" style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;The Mosque in Morgantown&lt;/a&gt;. She recently published a monograph,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;Milestones for a Spiritual Jihad: Toward an Islam of Grace.&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="mailto:asra@asranomani.com" style="color: black; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; text-decoration: underline;"&gt;asra@asranomani.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In which language should Mathematics and Science be taught in secondary schools?&lt;br /&gt;
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Bahasa Malaysia&lt;br /&gt;
59% (90141 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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English&lt;br /&gt;
38% (57213 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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Let students decide on their choice of language&lt;br /&gt;
3% (4166 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
Total 151520 votes&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Comment [DN]: I guess the only reason why you would teach Maths and Science in Bahasa Malaysia is because Malay is the national language.  That would be the only reason as far as I can see.  You can only use Bahasa Malaysia in Malaysia (and maybe Indonesia) but if the students chose to go overseas say mid way through secondary school, they're screwed as they will have to relearn everything in English if they were going to a school/ college/ university in countries like USA, UK, Australia, Singapore etc. as most do.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Should the controversial sex video implicating an opposition leader be screened in Parliament to enable MPs to determine the identity of the man in the clip?&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes&lt;br /&gt;
88% (6914 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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No&lt;br /&gt;
12% (952 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
Total 7866 votes&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment [DN]: What business is it of the MP's to determine the identity of the man in the clip?  What they need to do is work to improve the country by improving efficiency, increasing productivity, stemming out corruption and ensure the poor are given a helping hand and not waste time identifying a dirty old man dong something sleazy on video.  The Malaysian voyeuristic tendencies seem to be exposed quite glaringly here.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Do you agree with Kinabatangan MP Datuk Bung Mokhtar Radin that women are lousy drivers?&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes&lt;br /&gt;
42% (4588 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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No&lt;br /&gt;
58% (6460 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
Total 11048 votes&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment [DN]: Well there are bad drivers on both genders aren't there?  I know it's a common theme we hear all the time that women are bad drivers but statistics show more men get into vehicle accidents than women do.  Has there been research done to show that women are lousy drivers (compared to men)?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The minimum annual income to be eligible for a credit card has been increased to RM24,000? Do you agree with this?&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes&lt;br /&gt;
38% (8139 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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The minimum income should be not less than RM36,000&lt;br /&gt;
30% (6529 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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The minimum income should be not less than RM48,000&lt;br /&gt;
23% (5061 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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The minimum income should be retained at RM18,000&lt;br /&gt;
9% (1875 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
Total 21604 votes&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment [DN]: The higher the better as far as I'm concerned.  Credit is just too easy nowadays.  Combine that with people who don't yet know the concept of "spending within your means" equals a dangerous mix that could end up in real pain.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Do you agree that it is time to remove the ethnicity (“Race”) category on forms issued by the public and private sectors?&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes&lt;br /&gt;
86% (15425 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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No&lt;br /&gt;
14% (2440 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
Total 17865 votes&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Comment [DN]: Race is irrelevant and should be removed from all forms.  It's a disgrace that many times when filling in forms in Malaysia, they ask you to state your race which gives no value and totally unrelated to the matter at hand.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Do you think that having a TV screen in vehicles could lead to road accidents?&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes&lt;br /&gt;
48% (10709 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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No&lt;br /&gt;
52% (11580 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
Total 22289 votes&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment [DN]: TV screens in vehicles are ok for the back passengers to watch but should not be installed in view of the driver as that would make the likelihood of an accident much much much higher if the driver was watching the TV while driving.   Studies have proven that and anyone with 10% of a brain knows that.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Do you think that it's time to implement the concept of plea bargaining in Malaysia?&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes&lt;br /&gt;
62% (4250 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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No&lt;br /&gt;
38% (2576 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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Total 6826 votes&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Comment [DN]: Hard one but I think not.  Too many a time criminals have gotten away with bloody murder because of this.  I say hard one because obviously we would like to lock up as many of these scums as possible but we would not like lazy prosecutors to let these guys go with less than what they deserve.  When a case can be proven, the defendant should never be offered a plea bargain.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Should university students be allowed to actively participate in politics?&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes&lt;br /&gt;
48% (3949 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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No&lt;br /&gt;
52% (4266 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
Total 8215 votes&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment [DN]: Why not?  As long as they are not doing anything illegal or immoral they should have the free choice to do anything they want within reason.  If a school drop out can get involved in politics and why can't a University student?  Are we not living in a free democratic society?  Well maybe not according to 52% of respondents.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Should the retirement age in Malaysia be raised to 60?&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes&lt;br /&gt;
53% (11288 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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No&lt;br /&gt;
25% (5326 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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The retirement age should be raised to 65&lt;br /&gt;
22% (4586 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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Total 21200 votes&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Comment [DN]: In this day and age the retirement age should be prolonged to 65 and beyond.  Retirement at 55 years of age is too young.  While it makes the employment figures look good for the government, it does nothing to the retirees who will have to depend on their paltry EPF for another 30 years.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Would you consider the building of a nuclear power plant as the best option to cater for Malaysia’s energy needs in the future?&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes&lt;br /&gt;
56% (10379 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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No&lt;br /&gt;
32% (5833 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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I need more information on the proposal&lt;br /&gt;
12% (2260 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
Total 18472 votes&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment [DN]: While nuclear energy is absolutely clean, it is also tremendously expensive compared to other forms of energy and until someone can tell me how to safely dispose of nuclear waste, I'm totally opposed to nuclear energy.  Take Japan recently as a good example, if things go wrong, it could really go wrong.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Should Pulau Redang - which is rated as one of the world’s most beautiful islands - be turned into a getaway for the rich, with hotel rooms costing no less than US$500?&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes&lt;br /&gt;
9% (1832 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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No&lt;br /&gt;
52% (11166 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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The cheaper chalets and hotels should still be allowed to operate&lt;br /&gt;
39% (8464 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
Total 21462 votes&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Comment [DN]: It will be a sad day on earth when the almighty buck keeps ordinary Malaysians out of Pulau Redang, one of the most beautiful Islands on earth.  The Island belongs to all Malaysians, hence everyone should be able to enjoy it's beauty.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Do you think that forming a special inter-faith committee can help promote religious understanding and harmony in Malaysia?&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes&lt;br /&gt;
43% (4712 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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No&lt;br /&gt;
57% (6183 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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Total 10895 votes&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment [DN]: Unfortunately, many believe (me included) that the Interfaith Committee is all smoke and mirrors and a diversion from the real issues.  In Malaysia, race and religion are too intertwined with politics where the government use race and religion to stoke the flames of the different groups of people to their political gain.  Disgraceful!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you willing to spend between three and 10 times more on energy-efficient bulbs as your contribution towards reducing carbon emission and saving the environment?&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes&lt;br /&gt;
72% (5413 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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No&lt;br /&gt;
28% (2074 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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Total 7487 votes&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Comment [DN]: So pleased with the survey results.  I am too.  I love our environment and we should stop abusing it so whatever I can do, I'm all for it even if it costs 10 times more!!&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Should Malaysia adopt a minimum wage plan?&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes&lt;br /&gt;
84% (10232 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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No&lt;br /&gt;
16% (1983 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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Total 12215 votes&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Comment [DN]: Good and bad about minimum wages.  I can give good reasons for not having a minimum wage but in Malaysia's case, because the standard of living is so low, I would support fully a case for a minimum wage.  A minimum wage is ok, but if it's too high it can lead to higher unemployment and be problematic for businesses.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Do you agree with Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad’s claim that the Sept 11 attacks on the US could have been staged as an excuse to mount attacks on the Muslim world?&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes&lt;br /&gt;
25% (6716 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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No&lt;br /&gt;
75% (20185 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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Total 26901 votes&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Comment [DN]: Dr M is a nut case.  Enough said.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Should banks subsidise the RM50 service tax for credit cards?&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes&lt;br /&gt;
80% (15058 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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No&lt;br /&gt;
8% (1460 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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Consumers should be wise and only keep credit cards they require&lt;br /&gt;
12% (2197 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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Total 18715 votes&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment [DN]: Of course everyone would like to pay less tax but why should a bank pay your tax for you?  You request for a credit card, you get it and use it and there is an associated service tax with having that credit card, so why would you think other people should subsidize you?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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What is your view on rapper Namewee's video, which pokes fun at TNB?&lt;br /&gt;
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It is not in our culture to do something like this&lt;br /&gt;
8% (2934 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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Namewee is only making a point about TNB's services&lt;br /&gt;
92% (31808 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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Total 34742 votes&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Comment [DN]: If a rapper wants to poke fun at a company, what is wrong with that.  Heard of freedom of expression?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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How much should a Filipino domestic helper be paid?&lt;br /&gt;
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Not more than RM600&lt;br /&gt;
46% (4165 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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RM601 to RM800&lt;br /&gt;
28% (2570 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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RM801 to RM1,000&lt;br /&gt;
14% (1233 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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RM1,001 to RM1,200&lt;br /&gt;
4% (393 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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RM1,201 to RM1,400&lt;br /&gt;
7% (670 votes)&lt;br /&gt;
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Total 9031 votes&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Comment [DN]: While many Malaysians would like the convenience to have their dinner cooked, housed cleaned and constant help with the children 18 hours a day, 6/7 days a week many are only willing to pay RM600 (US200) per month for this privilege.  Malaysians are getting more and more affluent but it seems financial equality is not top on their agenda.   Well if financial equality is too much to ask for then how about fairness for the pain, toil and sweat most maids go through?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7849432280687603069-7855082311158097656?l=damien-crankyramblings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;According to&amp;nbsp;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Money Morning&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;reader, Bill the word used in knitting isn’t “pearl”, but rather it’s “purl”.&amp;nbsp; No wonder we were so bad at it if we couldn’t even get the basics right!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Apologies to knitters everywhere.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Get in now, before it’s too late!&amp;nbsp; This morning, Eric Johnston at&amp;nbsp;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;The Age&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;writes:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Prospective borrowers have been urged to get a home loan while they can.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Although, after reading the article, we’re still trying to figure out who’s doing the urging.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;It can’t possibly be Matthew Davison of Merrill Lynch.&amp;nbsp; He’s quoted by Mr. Johnston saying:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“We believe the strain on the household budget is too big to ignore, and banks don’t accurately measure household costs.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;That’s hardly a ringing endorsement to encourage someone to take out a $400,000 loan.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Perhaps it was something else Mr. Davison said:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“These pressures could possibly prompt the banks to update household budget models, thus tightening mortgage lending standards.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Again, it’s not what you’d call urging someone to load up on debt.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;But we’re not going to pin the blame on Mr. Johnston.&amp;nbsp; We’re not 100% sure how things work in newspaperland.&amp;nbsp; But we believe the journalist writes the story and the sub-editor comes up with the headline.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;In this case, the sub-editor has come up with a headline that directly contradicts the story.&amp;nbsp; But that doesn’t surprise us. &amp;nbsp;Given the huge amount of advertising revenue the papers get each month, the mainstream press has a vested interest in holding off the property bust as long as possible.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;And if that means encouraging more people to take out huge loans now, just as the market has turned down, then so be it.&amp;nbsp; After all, they were happy to cajole punters into the market at the peak, so why not when property is just a little bit cheaper!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Trouble is, it’s gonna get a whole lot cheaper.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;strong style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Half-priced millionaires’ row&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Before we crack on, two other gems sent in by readers.&amp;nbsp; First this sent by&amp;nbsp;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Money Morning&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;reader, Greg, “&lt;a href="http://clicks.portphillippublishing.net//t/AQ/AAUAMA/AAUK-g/AAPCPA/AQ/Au8tcg/F_Bx" style="text-indent: 0px !important;" target="_blank"&gt;Hedges still millionaires row despite drop&lt;/a&gt;”.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;The article notes:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Four years ago, before the global financial crisis hit, 199 Hedges Avenue fetched $17.5 million.&amp;nbsp; This month the four-bedroom, six bathroom, beachfront home [Ed note: marvellous water views?] in Mermaid Beach reportedly sold for almost $8 million.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;A quick bash of the Canon LS-100TS calculator tells us that’s a price drop of –&amp;nbsp;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;[gulp]&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;– 54%!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Amusingly, the articles states,&amp;nbsp;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Mr Newlands [chairman of the Real Estate Institute of Queensland, Gold Coast] said property on Hedges Avenue would always remain popular and at the high end of the market.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Obviously not popular enough for the seller who has taken a 54% bath.&amp;nbsp; That’s where the spruikers have made their fatal error: assuming higher prices are sustainable because an area is popular.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Then&amp;nbsp;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Money Morning&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;reader Natalie dropped us this email saying:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Did I hear David Airey from Real Estate Institute of Australia wrong?&amp;nbsp; The ABC read his statement as saying there is ‘no housing shortage in Australia.’”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Click&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://clicks.portphillippublishing.net//t/AQ/AAUAMA/AAUK-g/AAPCPQ/AQ/Au8tcg/-6-q" style="text-indent: 0px !important;" target="_blank"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;for the link and decide for yourself.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Here’s a transcript of Airey’s comments:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“I don’t think there’s been a bubble, and I don’t think there’s any bubble to burst.&amp;nbsp; The indicators are that this has been a very slow softening but with the huge increase in the number of established homes for sale added to properties off the plan sales continuing to rise, we’ve just seen a lot of stock which isn’t moving.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Property spruikers have to tread a fine line.&amp;nbsp; Using their own supply-and-demand theories for why property prices had to rise, they’ve backed themselves into a corner.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Because using the same supply-and-demand argument you would logically have to say prices will fall… Instead the spruikers have to keep running with the “there’s no bubble” argument.&amp;nbsp; Even if it means ditching the claim about a housing shortage.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;That way they can claim prices didn’t really go up – even though they said they did – and therefore if prices didn’t really go up then they really can’t go down.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Even though the proof is evident in Queensland where prices have fallen by 50%, and even Melbourne where prices fell 6% in just one quarter!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;For some reason, every time a spruiker talks we keep hearing circus clown music!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;strong style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Idiot editor&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;But still, the spruikers don’t like hearing what we’ve got to say.&amp;nbsp; Ex-&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Money Morning&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;reader Michael sent this note today:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Your [sic] an idiot!!!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Please unsubscribe me from this fools [sic] emails.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“The scribes are right, you don’t understand the housing market, and its [sic] blatantly obvious by this ridiculous tirade trying to disprove economics 101 – Demand &amp;amp; Supply.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Cheers,&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br style="text-indent: 0px !important;" /&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Michael.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;And this from&amp;nbsp;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Money Morning&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;reader Rob:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Please tell Sayce to stop blathering[…]&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“its [sic] becoming an embarrassment, he’s like a bogan amongst uni students[…]&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“he is really showing how clueless he is about Economics, he’s just a trader from London, for heaven’s sake[…]&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“do you have nay [sic] idea why he is so anti-property?? more people have become wealthy through property than any other medium, its [sic] slow now, but who cares, property investors are long term[…]&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“his ignorance is turning him into a celeb, like that kid from Melbourne.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Thanks for the advice guys.&amp;nbsp; But we don’t need any schooling in economics.&amp;nbsp; Any branch of economics that believes in never-ending price rises and mythical housing shortages, is something we can do without.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Besides, we’re quite happy with what we’ve picked up ourselves.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;As for demand and supply, again we point out that demand and supply isn’t just about demand and supply.&amp;nbsp; It’s about quantity and price too.&amp;nbsp; Ignore that at your peril.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Not only that, but we dispute the idea that property makes people wealthy.&amp;nbsp; Sure, there’s a period from the early 1980s to the mid-2000s where many did well from the inflationary credit-fuelled bubble.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;But we don’t see that it’s made people wealthy.&amp;nbsp; In fact, we argue the opposite.&amp;nbsp; We argue that most who benefited from the property boom believed it would last forever.&amp;nbsp; So what did they do?&amp;nbsp; That’s right, they took their winnings and leveraged it up again on the false dream of negative gearing.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Wealth is only real wealth if it’s tangible.&amp;nbsp; Equity in property isn’t tangible.&amp;nbsp; For most property investors, if they liquidated their portfolio today and paid out all their debts, they’d barely be any better off than when they started.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;In fact, those who started within the past five years are likely to be significantly behind when all costs are taken into account… property as a wealth builder?&amp;nbsp; Do me a favour.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;strong style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Your house isn’t an investment&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;And finally, we find we’re in the strange position of agreeing with a banker.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Bank of America [NYSE: BAC]&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;CEO, Brian Moynihan is quoted saying:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“It’s sobering to think, but some people shouldn’t be thinking of (their home) as an asset.&amp;nbsp; They should be thinking of it as a great place to live.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;We couldn’t agree more.&amp;nbsp; We’ve said it for years.&amp;nbsp; And mostly we’ve been ridiculed for saying it.&amp;nbsp; But that won’t stop us.&amp;nbsp; Owner-occupied housing isn’t an investment.&amp;nbsp; It’s an expensive consumption item.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Once you ditch the idea that a house is an investment you’ll realise it’s just not worth paying the current ridiculous Ponzi credit-fuelled prices that houses are selling for right now.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7849432280687603069-8083271158070841621?l=damien-crankyramblings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;In today’s Money Morning: Words from a credible analyst… Knit one, pearl one… Fairy tales dressed as fact… Defining a market… More “marvellous water views”… It’s not in the genes... Housing debate – more soon…&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;strong style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Why There’s Nothing Genetic About Housing&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Of all the emails we receive into the&amp;nbsp;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Money Morning&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;mailbox, the most enjoyable are the patronising ones.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Not surprisingly, a big chunk of them are from property spruikers… mostly telling your editor we don’t understand the property market, so why don’t we just&amp;nbsp;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“shut the heck up!”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;That’s right, today we’re back to smack the property spruikers round the ears…&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center" style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;strong style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Words from a “credible” analyst&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;The funniest email we’ve gotten was from a&amp;nbsp;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“credible property market analyst and advisor”&lt;/em&gt;… that’s his own words.&amp;nbsp; Extracts of the email are below:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Just been reading your (comical) writings on the housing bubble.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“There is no bubble!&amp;nbsp; There is no “one” property market!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“The property market across most (not all) of Australia has been flat for the last 12-18 months. Sure, there are some locations which have experienced (on paper) losses of 10-15% over a short period, but many locations have experienced between 0% and 8% growth over the last year. That’s hardly catastrophic.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Show me when the Australian property market has ever crashed by more than 10% in any given year.&amp;nbsp; Show me when the ASX has declined by greater than 10% per annum.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Property is a long-term asset class so looking at growth rates across small periods such as 3 months or even 18 months are somewhat irrelevant (especially if the investor has followed a scientific research process and selected a quality investment property with specific fundamentals).&amp;nbsp; Yes, ‘fundamentals’ – there are such things but DIY investors wouldn’t be aware of them.&amp;nbsp; Looking at the performance of an investment property over several years is more appropriate.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Some of the comments you’ve made in respect to housing supply and demand are wrong. I’ve read the entire publication produced by the Federal Government’s Major Cities Unit.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“I could rant for ever as to why there is no ‘housing bubble’ but I’d be wasting my time because you are clearly pro-shares and like to beat up how good the sharemarket is by being (unreasonably) critical of the property market. That’s poor form and unprofessional. Rather than bag your “opposition”, try sticking to what your area of expertise is.&amp;nbsp; If property is so bad, why don’t you live in a tent or a caravan?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“I am a credible property market analyst and advisor. I aim to help people invest wisely in property. You prefer shares, I prefer property. I don’t cr@p on about the sharemarket dropping 4% in a few days because of a tsunami, or the last stock market crash, or that I know many people whos [sic] superannuation has declined by $100,000s over the last few years. It’s just poor form. The truth is, people can make good money from shares and property but there’s a lot more to know about each asset class…&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“A final word on the property bubble. Michael Matusik has produced a good article which sums it up pretty well so I’ve attached it for you.&amp;nbsp; I’ll also add this:&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;ul style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;li style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Australia’s banking practices are nothing like those in US and Europe where property markets are still struggling&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Residential property is an essential commodity (we all need to live somewhere)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Modern science is allowing us to live longer and foreigners will continue to migrate to this great country because of our employment opportunities, culture, vast open spaces, and general quality of life&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;History is proof that the nation just can’t build anywhere near enough properties to keep up with population growth&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Do you think that the cost of other essential commodities such as milk, bread, and medical services are likely to increase or decrease over time?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Do you think that the wages of builders and associated skilled labour who build and renovate properties will increase or decrease over time?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Do you think that the cost of raw land will increase or decrease over time?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Do you think that the timber, cement, bricks, steel and other material which we use to build will increase or decrease over time?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Do you think that Australian’s will suddenly quit their obsession with renovating their family home?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Stick to your knitting!”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Our dear old departed grandmother tried to teach us knitting once.&amp;nbsp; We never got the hang of it… we couldn’t understand the jargon… what did “pearl one” mean?&amp;nbsp; So we gave it up.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;But back to property.&amp;nbsp; For someone who claims to be a&amp;nbsp;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“credible property analyst and advisor”&lt;/em&gt;, there’s a certain lack of credibility in the reasons for Australia not having a property bubble.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center" style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;strong style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Fairy tales without facts&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;It’s just the same old excuses.&amp;nbsp; Making statements as though they are true –&amp;nbsp;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“we all need to live somewhere”&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;– without considering the facts.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;It’s true that we all need to live somewhere.&amp;nbsp; But that doesn’t mean house prices always go up.&amp;nbsp; We all need to eat.&amp;nbsp; But that doesn’t mean we can always afford to buy the same type of food.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;If bananas are $20 a kilo, most people will stop buying bananas and buy another, cheaper fruit instead.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;The same with housing.&amp;nbsp; When house prices are too high, people will stop buying.&amp;nbsp; But it doesn’t mean people become homeless.&amp;nbsp; It means they make alternative arrangements.&amp;nbsp; They’ll buy a smaller unit rather than a house, or they’ll rent a unit or house, or they’ll house share – yes, people still do that.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Or any number of alternatives.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;But this doesn’t mean there’s a housing shortage.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;As we’ve written before, spruikers often blather on about property being all about supply and demand.&amp;nbsp; They’ll then bang on about a chronic housing shortage – by the way, there is zero, I repeat, zero evidence to support a housing shortage.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;And don’t tell me that’s rubbish, because it’s true. &amp;nbsp;There’s not a single jot of evidence to support the housing-shortage theory.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;We’re expecting a big response to that claim.&amp;nbsp; But let me make something clear, quoting statistics and ratios dreamed up by a banking analyst won’t qualify as evidence.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;What they tend to forget is supply and demand is also influenced by quantity and price.&amp;nbsp; What they also forget is the price can change without an increase or decrease in demand or supply.&amp;nbsp; So simply saying, “it’s all about supply and demand” misses the point.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;But we do like it when the spruikers try to school us in markets,&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“There is no one property market in Australia”&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;is the latest cry.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“The market is made up of lots of different markets.”&amp;nbsp; “It’s wrong to talk about ‘a’ property market.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;D’uh.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;We know that, but they aren’t telling us anything new.&amp;nbsp; It’s the same as the stock market.&amp;nbsp; The stock market is made up of hundreds of different markets.&amp;nbsp; They’re called companies.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center" style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;strong style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Defining a market&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;But it’s still valid to talk about “the stock market” or “a stock market”.&amp;nbsp; Simply because the valuation of one company can have an impact on the valuation of another seemingly unconnected business.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;For instance, if resources stocks look overpriced, investors will ditch those stocks and look at other sectors, such as retailing or banking.&amp;nbsp; That could force resources stocks down and retail and banking stocks up.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;But it’s also possible for investors to ditch all stocks if they believe the entire market is overpriced.&amp;nbsp; That can mean even fairly priced stocks are smacked down – we know that for a fact because in late 2008 and early 2009 we tipped stocks such as&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Retail Food Group [ASX: RFG]&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;and&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Cash Converters [ASX: CCV]&lt;/strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;which were trading lower than where we believed they should be.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Property is no different.&amp;nbsp; If prices slump in Queensland it can have an impact on house prices in Melbourne.&amp;nbsp; How so?&amp;nbsp; Because investors or even owner occupiers may consider buying in Queensland rather than Melbourne.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;So, as investors and owner occupiers move to invest in Queensland, it will have an impact on prices in Melbourne – would you still pay $400,000 for an apartment in Melbourne when you may be able to pick one up for $200,000 on the Gold Coast?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Who knows?&amp;nbsp; Some would, but some wouldn’t.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;So, we’ll keep talking about the property market, if our “credible” analyst friend doesn’t mind.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;We also like this idea that losses are only “paper” losses.&amp;nbsp; Really?&amp;nbsp; So when a property goes down in value and the mortgage payer is paying out thousands of dollars a year on interest, that’s a “paper” loss is it?&amp;nbsp; No, we thought not.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Besides, we’re already past the period where losses were on paper, losses are actual.&amp;nbsp; Just refer to the beachside Queensland properties I highlighted a couple of weeks ago… property prices have fallen by half in some areas of Queensland. &amp;nbsp;And it’s catching.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;The market that was supposed to be immune from price falls – Melbourne – has seen median prices slump 6% in the past year.&amp;nbsp; Not only that, but the mainstream press is even highlighting the losses.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;According to News Ltd:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Melbourne home property prices drop $400 a week in two-year record plunge”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Now, let me ask you.&amp;nbsp; If you’re thinking of negatively gearing a property, and you read the value of the property will fall $400 per week, will you still buy that property?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Not when the only reason for negatively gearing a property is to benefit from capital growth.&amp;nbsp; If you’re losing out on the income&amp;nbsp;&lt;u style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;and&lt;/u&gt;the capital, only a nutter would still buy an investment property.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center" style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;strong style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;More “marvellous water views”&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;But back to Queensland.&amp;nbsp; Today’s&amp;nbsp;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Australian Financial Review&lt;/em&gt;reports:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Despite bids on 30 of the 36 units, none was sold…&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“An opening bid of $65,000 for an 88 square metre one-bedroom unit was the lowest offer made.&amp;nbsp; One of two 512sq m penthouses attracted a maximum bid of $600,000 after it was listed last year for $1.58 million.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Oh, and by the way, the article is headlined,&amp;nbsp;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Resort liquidation sales goes to water”.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;In other words, this bricks-and-mortar investment was so spectacularly bad, the original vendors couldn’t flog any of the units, and it turns out the liquidators have fired blanks as well.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;While we’re on the subject,&amp;nbsp;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Money Morning&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;reader, Shane sent us a link to a property in Rainbow Bay on the Gold Coast.&amp;nbsp; The real estate agent blurts:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Rainbow Bay Landmark Property Slashed by $400k!”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;The property is now on the market for $1.399 million.&amp;nbsp; Interestingly, the property yields gross income of $46,000 per year.&amp;nbsp; Minus rates of $7,620, you’re looking at a yield of 2.7%... deduct interest expense and other costs, and… oh boy, what a crappy return for a market that’s not likely to see price appreciation for at least ten years!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;That’s a whole lot of paper and real losses.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;We know investing in shares isn’t perfect, but unless you use margin lending, at least you don’t keep forking out cash every month to keep your share investment.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;And if you buy a good dividend-paying stock the investment will pay you… that’s probably a weird concept for a “credible” property analyst – an investment that pays you money, rather than one where you have to pay money each month in order to keep the bank from repossessing it.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;We make no bones about it: buying property today is riskier than buying small-cap stocks on the stock market.&amp;nbsp; Do the numbers for yourself.&amp;nbsp; A massive mortgage with zero growth equals thousands of dollars lost each year.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;But what about other points made by the “credible” property analyst.&amp;nbsp; Let’s quickly knock each one over…&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Australia’s banking practices are nothing like those in US and Europe where property markets are still struggling”&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;– who says?&amp;nbsp; What about the secret loans from the US Fed?&amp;nbsp; What about the increase in bad loans on Bank of Queensland’s books?&amp;nbsp; What about the fact that Australia’s banks have more than half their loan books exposed to the Aussie housing market.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;American and European banks were considered safe before everyone figured out they weren’t.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Residential property is an essential commodity (we all need to live somewhere)”&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;– as we’ve already pointed out, this is an irrelevant argument.&amp;nbsp; People adjust their lifestyles to suit the circumstances.&amp;nbsp; Next…&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Modern science is allowing us to live longer and foreigners will continue to migrate to this great country because of our employment opportunities, culture, vast open spaces, and general quality of life”&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;– again irrelevant.&amp;nbsp; Japan has one of the longest life expectancies of any nation, and so do the Mediterranean countries… that didn’t stop property prices falling in those countries.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Besides, all the bluff and bluster about people migrating to Australia has ground to a halt.&amp;nbsp; The latest numbers show net migration has slumped from last year’s peak.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“History is proof that the nation just can’t build anywhere near enough properties to keep up with population growth”&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;– where’s the proof?&amp;nbsp; That’s right, there is none.&amp;nbsp; In fact, the reality is the opposite.&amp;nbsp; History shows that the nation has built plenty of properties to keep up with population growth.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;As we say, people adapt.&amp;nbsp; If someone can’t afford to buy a house they’ll seek alternatives.&amp;nbsp; That’s why you see a boom in high-rise developments and the subdivision of land.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Do you think that the cost of other essential commodities such as milk, bread, and medical services are likely to increase or decrease over time?”&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;– They will decrease once the inflation Ponzi scheme collapses in a heap.&amp;nbsp; But clearly our “credible” analyst hasn’t seen the news about the “milk wars”.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;And as for medical services, these prices only rise thanks to immoral government intervention in the health industry that causes prices to rise.&amp;nbsp; Similar to housing, but neither are guaranteed to last forever – the government can’t possibly steal enough money from taxpayers to keep these Ponzi schemes going forever.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Do you think that the wages of builders and associated skilled labour who build and renovate properties will increase or decrease over time?”&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;– We don’t know, but neither does our “credible” analyst.&amp;nbsp; He can only guess.&amp;nbsp; What we do know is that there’s nothing set in stone to say the price of labour always has to increase.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;At the moment, rising wages are just another function of Ponzi inflation and credit growth.&amp;nbsp; Neither are guaranteed to last forever.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Do you think that the cost of raw land will increase or decrease over time?”&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;– The same as above.&amp;nbsp; The situation in other countries shows prices of land can fall too.&amp;nbsp; Australia isn’t immune to this.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Do you think that the timber, cement, bricks, steel and other material which we use to build will increase or decrease over time?”&lt;/em&gt;– Same as above… Ponzi inflation and credit.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;“Do you think that Australian’s will suddenly quit their obsession with renovating their family home?”&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;– Yes.&amp;nbsp; Why not?&amp;nbsp; All the nonsense about Australian’s having a genetic affinity with their homes, is just that – nonsense.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center" style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;strong style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;It’s not in the genes&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;It’s often said Australians have an affinity to property due to their European heritage.&amp;nbsp; Especially those from Italian and Greek backgrounds… just remind us of how the Greek and Italian economies and housing markets have fared?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;But before we do, that was just too easy.&amp;nbsp; The property spruikers really should try harder.&amp;nbsp; But then again, it’s pretty hard to keep the myth going when there aren’t any real facts to back their case.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Back to the genetics of house prices.&amp;nbsp; According to&amp;nbsp;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;The Economist&lt;/em&gt;:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center" style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;strong style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://clicks.portphillippublishing.net//t/AQ/AAT8mA/AAUHZQ/AAPAPw/AQ/Au8tcg/ak2A" style="text-indent: 0px !important;" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="306" src="http://moneymorning.com.au/images/mm20110418a.jpg" style="text-indent: 0px !important;" width="497" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Source: The Economist&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;So much for genetics.&amp;nbsp; According to this chart, the only bubble left to pop is the Australian house price bubble.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;But as we know, the bubble has already popped.&amp;nbsp; You’ll see the data flow through to the statistics soon, and then it’ll only get worse.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;And the housing shortage will be revealed for what it really is – a sham.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;In fact, we’re guessing the popped bubble will be clear for all to see by the time your editor takes part in a housing debate in Sydney at the end of May or early June.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;We can’t give you the full details yet, but when we can we’ll let you know.&amp;nbsp; It’ll be a perfect opportunity to confront a couple of housing bulls square on.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Until then, just sit back and wait for Australian houses to take an even bigger hit.&amp;nbsp; As we wrote a few months back, the end of 2011 or 2012 could be the time for opportunistic buyers to make low-ball offers to desperate sellers.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;We don’t think that time has come yet, but it’s certainly worth keeping a close eye on the property market for bargain basement sales.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="margin-bottom: 0px !important; margin-left: 0px !important; margin-right: 0px !important; margin-top: 0px !important; padding-bottom: 0px !important; padding-left: 0px !important; padding-right: 0px !important; padding-top: 0px !important; text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Cheers.&lt;br style="text-indent: 0px !important;" /&gt;&lt;br style="text-indent: 0px !important;" /&gt;&lt;strong style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;Kris Sayce&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em style="text-indent: 0px !important;"&gt;For Money Morning Australia&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7849432280687603069-1608569724096932840?l=damien-crankyramblings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 9pt;"&gt;The straw that broke the camels back (the camel being the Australian people and the straw being the carbon tax) is the now infamous announcement of the introduction of a carbon tax by the middle of next year by the Prime Minister Julia Gillard, flanked by the greens and independents on her left and right.&amp;nbsp; Not so much that action was being done to tackle climate change but more so as Tony Abbot’s attempt to portray this as the lie of the century, successfully nonetheless and also yet another Labour tax and the people have had enough of taxes.&amp;nbsp; &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 9pt;"&gt;Before the election Julia Gillard said in no uncertain terms that a carbon tax will not be introduced under a government she leads and whalla a carbon tax is now being introduced effective the middle of next year.&amp;nbsp; Why is Tony Abbot jumping up and down crying for a people’s revolution when he himself has lied and changed his position numerous times in the course of his turbulent political career?&amp;nbsp; Political opportunism of course.&amp;nbsp; How much tax per tonne of carbon, what are the compensation to households and businesses most affected and any other detail have not been worked out and Tony Abbot being the political opportunist he is jumped on Labour and unleashed the mother of all scare campaigns by telling the public that EVERYONE will be hit with the big fat tax that will do nothing to lower temperatures and asked for a “People’s Revolt”, even though the government hadn’t announced what the details of the tax was.&amp;nbsp; Some pathetic trolls in his party started calling the Prime Minister names by comparing her to the Libyan dictator Muamar Gadaffi.&amp;nbsp; I know the Liberals are still hurting from the last election but childish name calling will not help their cause to get back in government.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 9pt;"&gt;Now climate change and the policies to tackle climate change is not only a thorny subject but it’s also a complicated one.&amp;nbsp; Everyone has a view, politicians, bloggers, journalists, mom, dad and my pool man but the fact remains that the science should prevail.&amp;nbsp; Leading prominent scientists have shown that climate deterioration has occurred throughout the decades of abuse by man induced pollution.&amp;nbsp; In my opinion, there is no doubt about this no matter what the sceptics say or what arguments they put forward.&amp;nbsp; The science is there, it’s not subjective and it cannot be disputed.&amp;nbsp; There have been arguments that both sides fudge figures/ reports and whatnot to add weight to their case.&amp;nbsp; While that may be true, if you know basic science then you would be able to know the basic concepts of climate pollution and understand a little of what the scientists and deniers are saying and for now I can make very little sense in what the deniers are saying.&amp;nbsp; Could the majority of leading climate scientist all be wrong about climate change?&amp;nbsp; Do we dare take the chance or are willing to sacrifice now for our children’s future or are we happy to listen to Tony Abbot and his merry men like Nick Minchin and Barnaby ‘one million equals one billion’ Joyce?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;a href="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-kdGZenLDT-c/TYNPRATm6GI/AAAAAAAAAJc/L7ryKG1ECmQ/s1600/clean-coal-houses.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-kdGZenLDT-c/TYNPRATm6GI/AAAAAAAAAJc/L7ryKG1ECmQ/s320/clean-coal-houses.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 9pt;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"&gt;Why is this carbon tax so unpopular?&amp;nbsp; Well firstly because Tony Abbot is really good at what he does, that is to oppose.&amp;nbsp; I’ll have to admit he is a really good opposition leader because he is great to highlight other people faults and put his catchy slogans so it remains in the minds of the voters.&amp;nbsp; He’ll do a shit Prime Minister but he’s a really good opposition leader, I’ll give him that and every step of the way he’s given the government grief.&amp;nbsp; He did it will the alcopop tax, the NBN, the flood levy, the mining tax and now this carbon tax.&amp;nbsp; If not for his destructive manner in which he’s constantly putting the government on the back foot, he would have been removed by his party, because as a person and leader, he’s a pretty shit character.&amp;nbsp; He swears, can’t keep his cool, is not very articulate, doesn’t have any conviction or principles and is really careful to say only what he thinks people want to hear (well most politicians do that).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 9pt;"&gt;Now let’s look through the smoke and mirrors of Tony ‘I do not have a policy just good to criticize’ Abbot and see other reasons why the carbon tax is so unpopular.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 54pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 9pt;"&gt;1.&lt;span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 9pt;"&gt;The government hasn’t sold it well.&amp;nbsp; It announced this with no detail and didn’t explain how the tax would hurt the biggest polluters while giving some reprieve to the middle to low income earners by way of rebates.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 54pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 9pt;"&gt;2.&lt;span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 9pt;"&gt;The labour party is perceived as being a party that only knows how to tax.&amp;nbsp; TAX, TAX, TAX!&amp;nbsp; They lost the billion dollars worth of reserves built under the Howard years.&amp;nbsp; The opposition has blamed the government’s failed policies on the NBN, pink bats, school halls rort, free money given away to stave off a second quarter of negative growth and a host of other wasteful projects.&amp;nbsp; With the reserves now gone, the government has to go back to the people on anything not allowed for in the budget e.g. when the floods hit &lt;st1:state w:st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place w:st="on"&gt;Queensland&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:state&gt; the government proposed a flood levy to build back the state even though that would have been a legitimate reason to bring the budget further into deficit but because Tony Abbot had done such a good job spooking the government, they dared not even contemplate further deficits to their already fragile finances resulting in further bad public policy, a good example of Tony Abbot's destructive force.&amp;nbsp; There is a sense in the community that the people are fed up with the waste and taxes and the backlash has probably got to do more with that than the policy to tackle climate change put forth by the labour party..&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 54pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span class="apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="color: navy; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;3.&lt;span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 9pt;"&gt;The government has let Tony ‘The Climate Change Denier’ Abbot tell the world that &lt;st1:place w:st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:country-region w:st="on"&gt;Australia&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt; “is going it &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;alone”.&amp;nbsp; This in fact is actually not true and many other countries like&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 9pt;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 9pt;"&gt;New Zealand, Denmark, Finland, France, &lt;span style="color: black;"&gt;Ireland, the Netherlands, Sweden, the UK, Norway, Canada and the US already have a full or partial carbon tax policy.&amp;nbsp; The likes of China and India have changed their tune from two years ago and are now looking seriously at various ways to reduce their emissions and building cleaner coal fired stations and demolishing the dirtier ones (still coal but nonetheless a good start).&amp;nbsp; &lt;st1:place w:st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:country-region w:st="on"&gt;China&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt; is also investing huge amounts of money into wind and solar power which is getting cheaper every year.&amp;nbsp; So &lt;st1:country-region w:st="on"&gt;Australia&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; is not going it alone, in fact as the leading climate commissioner for the EU said “it would be good if &lt;st1:place w:st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:country-region w:st="on"&gt;Australia&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt; could join us”.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="color: navy; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 54pt; text-align: justify; text-indent: -36pt;"&gt;&lt;span class="apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="color: navy; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;4.&lt;span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman';"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; 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&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;span class="apple-style-span"&gt;&lt;span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 9pt;"&gt;Let’s put it this way.&amp;nbsp; The Labour party was described as on “training wheels” when they took office four years ago and that is probably not far off the mark but what is the alternative?&amp;nbsp; Abbott and his henchmen?&amp;nbsp; Right wing sorry arse racist shadow ministers like Cory Benardy and Scott Morrisson who have a better fit in “One Nation” than any progressive political party in Australia or is it Barnaby Joyce who doesn’t know his millions from his billions or maybe Joe Hockey who after criticizing the government’s budget during the election stalemate reluctantly released his with a $11 billions black hole (which we now know why he was so reluctant to release in the first place).&amp;nbsp; But the person that takes the honours though is no other than their fearless, budgy smuggler, opposition leader himself Tony Abbot.&amp;nbsp; A vindictive, lost for ideas, good only to criticize, foul mouth, bad policy, no conviction or leadership budgy smuggler wearing politician who will soon be dumped as Liberal leader as soon as Newspoll does not show progress for his party.&amp;nbsp; As unpopular as Julia Gillard and the government are, she’s still ahead of Tony Abbot in terms of preferred PM but the Liberal party is ahead of the Labour in the two party preferred polls and that’s what counts and that’s what is keeping Abbot as Liberal leader.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;You have to sometimes wonder why we even have politicians at all.&amp;nbsp; Is it for their bumbling policies that have created all this chaos in the world?&amp;nbsp; Is it for their lack of convictions and clueless leadership which only panders to the sentiments of their electorates and citizens?&amp;nbsp; The only reason &lt;st1:country-region w:st="on"&gt;America&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; did not agree to a “No Fly Zone” initially was because they did not want to get into another war in a Muslim country as the two wars they are currently involved in (&lt;st1:country-region w:st="on"&gt;Iraq&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; and &lt;st1:country-region w:st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place w:st="on"&gt;Afghanistan&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;) are hugely unpopular back home.&amp;nbsp; As far as I can see, the true leadership in relation to this crisis is nowhere to be found.&amp;nbsp; The international community failed in Darfur, failed in Srajevo and have now failed in &lt;st1:place w:st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:country-region w:st="on"&gt;Libya&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I can’t seem to work out where these international diplomats stand on the issue of &lt;st1:country-region w:st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place w:st="on"&gt;Libya&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Are they for Gadaffi or against him? &amp;nbsp;Do they think he is a terrorist or a reformist? &amp;nbsp;The conflicting signals they give is enough to give you a permanent migraine.&amp;nbsp; On the one hand they say Gadaffi must stop killing his own people and a no fly zone is the best way to do this and in the same breath say that a caution and restrain will need to be observed as a protracted war in Libya is the last thing the world wants as it could affect the oil rich region.&amp;nbsp; So once again it boils down to profits before principle and profits before people.&amp;nbsp; It’s all about OIL, OIL, OIL!&amp;nbsp; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;You either stop Gadaffi with determination and conviction and use everything at your disposal to get the job done even if that means bombing his arse into smithereens or you might as well keep out of it altogether.&amp;nbsp; Standing by the sidelines “condemning” Libya, imposing meaningless travel and economic sanctions has no effect to the Libyan regime and no use to the revolution especially to the people who are staring down the barrel of the gun waiting for the inevitable “POW” that is going to blow their brains into a million little pieces.&amp;nbsp; The weakness of the sanctions has been proven ineffective in the past and once again in this case it has proven to be of no use.&amp;nbsp; Thousands are dead and thousands will continue to die.&amp;nbsp; Thank you for your leadership “International Community”.&amp;nbsp; They sit in their cushy little offices making decisions for other people and telling others how best to live their lives with very little concept of the reality of it all and have proven time and again to be weak, gutless, fence sitters and ineffective.&amp;nbsp; Unfortunately, in this case and many others in the past, lives have been lost because of them.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I don’t even know why we need the UN Security Council, G8 etc. etc. making all these life and deaths decisions.&amp;nbsp; As everyone knows every country has their own agenda.&amp;nbsp; &lt;st1:country-region w:st="on"&gt;China&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; and &lt;st1:country-region w:st="on"&gt;&lt;st1:place w:st="on"&gt;Russia&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt; will most times veto military action on rogue states and you can only guess their motives for that. &amp;nbsp;Being far less than transparent and democratic in their own governance, they probably do not want to set too much of a precedent in which the standards they themselves cannot achieve.&amp;nbsp; Who knows, but what I do know is while these diplomats argue, innocent lives, lives that depend on the international community for help are lost by a cruel, ruthless dictator once named “the Mad Dog of the East” by Ronald Reagan, a term which shows how much ahead of his time the former president was.&amp;nbsp; If only goons like Sarkoszy, Blair and their cronies had a fraction of the foresight Reagan had, it may be so much different today.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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“&lt;a href="http://clicks.portphillippublishing.net/t/AQ/AAR7zw/AASGBQ/AAN8Mw/AQ/Au8tcg/-0Td" target="_blank"&gt;Companies to face mandatory reporting in bid to boost gender equality&lt;/a&gt;”, announced yesterday’s &lt;em&gt;The Australian&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
The article explains:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;em&gt;“Firms with more than 100 workers will face spot checks and mandatory reporting on the numbers of women they employ and their position under tough new measures aimed at boosting gender equality in the workplace.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Our first response is, why 100?&amp;nbsp; Why not 99 or 101?&lt;br /&gt;
100 is an arbitrary number.&amp;nbsp; But it’s a round number.&lt;br /&gt;
It means a firm employing 99 men and no women gets off scot-free, while a firm employing 99 men and 1 woman could be in the soup, and subject to on-the-spot inspections.&lt;br /&gt;
The paper quotes Minister for the Status of Women, Kate Ellis:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;em&gt;“There will be regular spot checks to ensure that the information that organisations are providing to the government actually matches how they conduct their day-to-day business.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
What business is it of the government to know how many men and women you employ?&lt;br /&gt;
It makes you wonder why on earth would anyone ever start a business in Australia, when the bureaucrats think up rubbish like this.&lt;br /&gt;
Not satisfied with successive Liberal and Labor governments burdening the Australian manufacturing industry with so much red tape that there’s almost nothing left, the bureaucrats now want to attack any business with 100 or more staff – regardless of the industry.&lt;br /&gt;
Now, we’ll assume the government will decide there are some industries that are male dominated and some industries that are female dominated.&amp;nbsp; Those industries may be able to avoid imposts from the Australian Sex Police.&lt;br /&gt;
But that’s a big assumption… maybe a naïve one… yes, it’s naïve, I can barely believe I even thought of it!&lt;br /&gt;
But let’s say they exempt some industries – which industries?&amp;nbsp; At what point does the government decide one industry is fair game for male/female dominance, whereas another industry deserves equality?&lt;br /&gt;
And what about job roles within an industry or business?&amp;nbsp; Is it OK for certain roles to be male/female dominated, while others must be equalised?&lt;br /&gt;
That’s a lot of questions.&lt;br /&gt;
But what it shows you is yet again, bureaucrats who’ve lived a life of shuffling paper and dreaming up new regulations will now tell bakeries, shoe shops, car manufacturers and mining companies how many staff should be employed and what gender those employees should be.&lt;br /&gt;
Think of it this way.&amp;nbsp; I don’t know about you, but every time I’ve popped into the local &lt;em&gt;Brumby’s&lt;/em&gt; or &lt;em&gt;Baker’s Delight&lt;/em&gt; most of the time the bakers are male.&lt;br /&gt;
As for the counter staff, that’s probably fifty-fifty between men and women…&lt;br /&gt;
Now, I’ll be honest the closest your editor comes to baking is chucking the odd cake in the oven for the missus’ birthday, so we’ve got no idea about the ins and outs of being a baker.&lt;br /&gt;
But our guess is there’s probably little reason why more women can’t be bakers… if they want to.&lt;br /&gt;
And here’s the thing.&amp;nbsp; Is the bakery industry full of rampant misogynists?&amp;nbsp; The &lt;em&gt;Secret Brethren of Bakers&lt;/em&gt; can’t stand the thought of allowing feeble women into the clan?&lt;br /&gt;
Or is it just that over time, bakery work is something that’s traditionally been done by men.&amp;nbsp; Just like many other jobs are male dominated – such as the garbo industry.&amp;nbsp; And for that fact, many jobs are female dominated – primary school teachers for example.&lt;br /&gt;
Unfortunately, central planners and social engineers can’t abide freedom of choice.&amp;nbsp; They can’t cope with the idea that people should have the freedom to do as they wish and work in the jobs they want.&lt;br /&gt;
And they also can’t abide business owners being able to choose between who they employ and who they don’t employ.&amp;nbsp; Why should a government bureaucrat have as much say in the hiring of workers as a businessman or woman who started the business from scratch with their own capital on the line?&lt;br /&gt;
If a business owner only wants to employ men only then so what.&amp;nbsp; If a business owner only wants to employ women only then so what.&lt;br /&gt;
But as I say, central planners don’t like that.&amp;nbsp; They need to set quotas.&lt;br /&gt;
They need to meddle and decide women and men should be forced into jobs against their will just so a government quota can be met.&lt;br /&gt;
It’s similar to the &lt;em&gt;Review of Australian Higher Education&lt;/em&gt; Final Report in December 2008 from the Department of Employment and Workplace Relations.&amp;nbsp; The report suggested:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;em&gt;“The target proposed for higher education is that 40 per cent of 25- to 34-year-olds will have attained at least a bachelor-level qualification by 2020.&amp;nbsp; This will be quite testing for Australia as current attainment is 29 per cent.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
But what if only 35% want to go to university?&amp;nbsp; Is the intention that the government would force an extra 5% to go to university, or manipulate the market to ensure the target is met just so a stiff-necked bureaucrat can tick a box?&lt;br /&gt;
The fact is, when bureaucrats get involved in things they know nothing about, it causes more problems.&lt;br /&gt;
Bureaucrats know nothing about running a business. &amp;nbsp;Yet every day they’re telling entrepreneurial businessmen and women what to do… &lt;em&gt;“No, you can do that unless you file this form, and if you don’t we’ll fine you.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
As an example, look no further than page 53 of Monday’s &lt;em&gt;Australian Financial Review&lt;/em&gt; (AFR).&amp;nbsp; It contains a CV of Martin Parkinson, the man who this week has taken over as Number One from “Emperor” Ken Henry as Treasury secretary in the Australian federal bureaucracy.&lt;br /&gt;
According to the AFR, Number One’s career highlights are:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="369" id="_x0000_i1025" src="http://moneymorning.com.au/images/mm20110310a.jpg" width="340" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/b&gt;&lt;em&gt;Source: AFR&lt;/em&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;em&gt;Photo: Dr. Alex Cowie’s iPhone&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; font-size: 12.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-AU; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-fareast-language: EN-AU;"&gt;Now, there are a few blanks in there, such as 1980-81 and 1993-97.&amp;nbsp; So Number One could have been doing something useful in the private sector for all we know.&lt;br /&gt;
But even if there was a stint in the private sector, it was clearly nothing the AFR thought worthy of mention.&lt;br /&gt;
So we can only assume it’s a career of academic dreaming and bureaucratic meddling.&lt;br /&gt;
The most troubling entry is the note for 1990, &lt;em&gt;“PhD at Princeton, studying under Ben Bernanke, now chairman of the US Federal Reserve.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Personally, that’s the sort of thing I’d keep off my CV.&amp;nbsp; But for bureaucrats, statists, central planners and social engineers, studying under (only figuratively) Ben Bernanke is clearly a badge of honour.&lt;br /&gt;
The roll of bureaucracy is to inhibit business. &amp;nbsp;It’s to stifle innovation and stop entrepreneurs from… well, entrepreneuring.&lt;br /&gt;
But in the end, will the statist Workplace Gender Equality Agency actually achieve anything?&lt;br /&gt;
Yes.&amp;nbsp; It will annoy people.&amp;nbsp; And it’ll put another hurdle in front of businesses. &amp;nbsp;But what it won’t do is lead to gender equality – for a start (here’s some breaking news) there’s no such thing as equality.&lt;br /&gt;
Everyone is different.&amp;nbsp; You can’t be equal.&amp;nbsp; Humans aren’t some manufactured widget from a factory that can be made identical to millions of other widgets.&lt;br /&gt;
But that’s exactly what the bureaucrats would like humans to be.&amp;nbsp; That way they can pigeonhole you into certain tasks based on their urge to control the economy and control you.&lt;br /&gt;
Governments and bureaucrats are good for nothing.&amp;nbsp; All they know is how to tax and how to control people with violence and threats of violence.&lt;br /&gt;
Yet for some unknown reason bureaucrats are painted by the mainstream press as heroic figures.&amp;nbsp; People who supposedly have given up the opportunity to earn mega bucks in the private sector in order to serve the people in the public sector.&lt;br /&gt;
In reality, for the most part the bureaucratic top-dogs are nothing more than insecure control freaks who wouldn’t survive two seconds in the private sector.&amp;nbsp; So to make up for their inadequacies they feel the need to boss others around.&lt;br /&gt;
We can hardly imagine a sorrier bunch of individuals if we tried.&lt;br /&gt;
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Regards,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Kris Sayce&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;em style="font-style: italic; line-height: 18px;"&gt;If the property value goes up every seven or eight years and it doubles, which I understand, I agree – how many years do you have to hold the property for the property to make enough cashflow… to cover your mortgage, your rates, your water and all your outgoings?&amp;nbsp; Ladies and gentleman it’s sixteen years.&amp;nbsp; So the property can double in seven years, it can double in eight years but for you to walk away from your job it takes sixteen years… before it makes enough money for you to stop going to your job to support it… so what happens is we find people go ‘I’m worth a fortune’, and they are.&amp;nbsp; But they still have to go to the job every day at 6.30 in the morning because they’ve still got to put money into the fortune!”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;That’s probably the most sense we’ve heard from a property “guru” in years.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;em style="font-style: italic; line-height: 18px;"&gt;Money Morning&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;reader Pat brought it to our attention.&amp;nbsp; The words come from property financing whizz Rick Otton.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;The fact is, most property investors are in the same financial position as the doddery old English Lords of the manor… asset rich, cash poor, and debt heavy.&amp;nbsp; The Lords have to sell off the family silver to stay liquid.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;And property investors have to work harder than before to pay for what is no more than an expensive hobby.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;u style="line-height: 18px;"&gt;Investments shouldn’t cost you money, they should make you money&lt;/u&gt;… that’s why they’re called investments.&amp;nbsp; If something is consistently giving you a negative return then it’s either a bad investment… or it’s not an investment at all.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;The fact is, if you keep pouring in more cash into than you get in return you may as well take up trainspotting or stamp collecting.&amp;nbsp; At least you’d probably get some enjoyment from it rather than getting yourself deeper into debt with the bank.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;Of course, we dispute the argument that properties double in value every seven years.&amp;nbsp; Simply because the numbers don’t support the claim.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;I know you’ve probably seen the charts and numbers that “prove” it, but they don’t.&amp;nbsp; What you see is a neat number trick.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;What the numbers actually show is that property prices have typically doubled every seven to ten years,&amp;nbsp;&lt;u style="line-height: 18px;"&gt;but only since the mid-1970s&lt;/u&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Over the previous seventy years house price growth was broadly flat.&amp;nbsp; There were periods of price rises and periods of price falls.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;em style="font-style: italic; line-height: 18px;"&gt;“Ah,”&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;you may say,&amp;nbsp;&lt;em style="font-style: italic; line-height: 18px;"&gt;“But if you take an average house price from 1900 and double it every seven years you’ll get to today’s average house price.”&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp; That’s the other number trick the spruikers like to use.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;Sure you do, but all the growth has been in the last thirty-odd years.&amp;nbsp; Averaging out a number over two distinctly different periods doesn’t provide a fair reflection on the true price action.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;It would be like taking the price action of the Nasdaq market from 1998 to 2001 and saying stock prices always move up like that.&amp;nbsp; You and I know that would be misleading.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;But what’s more important is Rick’s comment that it takes sixteen years for a property to be cashflow positive.&amp;nbsp; Just remember that’s sixteen years in which the house has supposedly doubled in value twice.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;Yet it’s not until the seventeenth year that the property investor is able to walk away with a net profit!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;Now think about what the payback will be when property values don’t double every seven years.&amp;nbsp; How long will you need to hold a property for it to be cashflow positive?&amp;nbsp; Twenty years?&amp;nbsp; Thirty years?&amp;nbsp; Seventy years?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;I don’t know about you, but seventy years seems like a long time to wait in order to make a $1 profit on a several-hundred-thousand-dollar investment.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;I know the stockmarket has been pretty crummy recently. &amp;nbsp;But at least the buying, financing and holding costs are low by comparison.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;And that wasn’t the only tip-off we got from a reader this week.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;It was a tip-off that contains a bombshell backing our call for a house price crash – a house price crash that’s already started based on what we’ve seen of the housing market – even though the official indices claim prices have&lt;em style="font-style: italic; line-height: 18px;"&gt;plateeeeeaued&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;What does it tell us?&amp;nbsp; Well, if we thought we’d put the stake through the heart of the housing shortage myth, housing index firm Residex has hammered the stake through to the table.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;According to its numbers, far from there being a housing shortage, Melbourne has a surplus of 18,000 properties!&amp;nbsp; That’s right, surplus… not a shortage.&amp;nbsp; And that doesn’t take into account the huge land release promised by the previous Victorian state government.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;If that wasn’t bad enough for the Melbourne market, get this… Melbourne also boasts the lowest rental yield of any Australian city at just 3.3%.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;That’s the gross yield of course.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;If it takes the average investor sixteen years to be cashflow positive on a property, and Melbourne has below average rental yields, just think how long it could take Melbourne property investors to be cashflow positive.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;You’d clearly need the staying power of&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://clicks.portphillippublishing.net//t/AQ/AAQQNg/AAQa5w/AANIIA/AQ/Au8tcg/RiJb" style="color: #0068cf; cursor: pointer; font-weight: inherit; line-height: 18px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;Methuselah&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;to get any kind of financial benefit from buying a Melbourne rental property!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;Boy, is the Melbourne housing market set to plummet once buyers figure out there’s no rush to buy into this over-priced market.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;By our back-of-the-envelope reckoning, the Melbourne median price needs to drop about $150,000 (about 30%) just for the rental yield to reach the national average of 4.35%.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;And, as you know, when markets fall they never fall to the average, they always overshoot.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;Looks like we may have underestimated with our forecast of a 40% drop… who’s to say it couldn’t be a whole lot worse.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;Not that the rest of the country is safe.&amp;nbsp; Another&amp;nbsp;&lt;em style="font-style: italic; line-height: 18px;"&gt;Money Morning&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;reader sent us this email:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;em style="font-style: italic; line-height: 18px;"&gt;“I thought you might be interested to learn about Mandurah in Western Australia in respect of the so called “housing shortage” we have (that argument has been a bit quiet recently).&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;em style="font-style: italic; line-height: 18px;"&gt;“…It has been interesting to see that the hundreds of apartments that had been completed when I was here last year are still vacant. I have had a walk around tonight to get a better gauge to see how many lights and flickering televisions could be spotted and my calculations are that maximum 25% of these waterside apartments have people living inside them. There are “for lease” and “for sale” signs everywhere as well as a couple of developments that have stopped half way through!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;em style="font-style: italic; line-height: 18px;"&gt;“Developers and bankers must be hurting big time sitting on these expensive and impressive looking buildings and bleeding heavily while waiting for gullible buyers!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;em style="font-style: italic; line-height: 18px;"&gt;“Moral of the story is that I would be steering clear of WA companies involved in construction related activities.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;As it happens, Residex calculates that Perth has a housing surplus of 6,000.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;Our advice for today?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 18px; margin-bottom: 1.35em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"&gt;If you’re a property investor (but not necessarily an owner-occupier) then sell Melbourne and sell Perth… unless you’re planning on living to the age of 969… because that’s how long it’ll take to be cashflow positive on your so-called investment.&lt;br style="line-height: 18px;" /&gt;&lt;br style="line-height: 18px;" /&gt;Regards,&lt;br style="line-height: 18px;" /&gt;&lt;br style="line-height: 18px;" /&gt;&lt;strong style="font-weight: bold; line-height: 18px;"&gt;Kris Sayce&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br style="line-height: 18px;" /&gt;&lt;em style="font-style: italic; line-height: 18px;"&gt;for Money Morning Australia&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7849432280687603069-3868051711243076425?l=damien-crankyramblings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;h3 class="byline" style="color: #666666; font-family: helvetica; font-size: 1.2em; font-weight: normal; line-height: 1.3em; margin-bottom: 0.583em; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 8px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;By&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://online.wsj.com/search/term.html?KEYWORDS=JOHN+R.+MALOTT&amp;amp;bylinesearch=true" style="color: #093d72; letter-spacing: 1px; outline-color: initial; outline-style: none; outline-width: initial; text-decoration: none; text-transform: uppercase;"&gt;JOHN R. MALOTT&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1.3em; line-height: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 8px; margin-right: 8px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;Malaysia's national tourism agency promotes the country as "a bubbling, bustling melting pot of races and religions where Malays, Indians, Chinese and many other ethnic groups live together in peace and harmony." Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak echoed this view when he announced his government's theme, One Malaysia. "What makes Malaysia unique," Mr. Najib said, "is the diversity of our peoples. One Malaysia's goal is to preserve and enhance this unity in diversity, which has always been our strength and remains our best hope for the future."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1.3em; line-height: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 8px; margin-right: 8px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;If Mr. Najib is serious about achieving that goal, a long look in the mirror might be in order first. Despite the government's new catchphrase, racial and religious tensions are higher today than when Mr. Najib took office in 2009. Indeed, they are worse than at any time since 1969, when at least 200 people died in racial clashes between the majority Malay and minority Chinese communities. The recent deterioration is due to the troubling fact that the country's leadership is tolerating, and in some cases provoking, ethnic factionalism through words and actions.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1.3em; line-height: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 8px; margin-right: 8px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;For instance, when the Catholic archbishop of Kuala Lumpur invited the prime minister for a Christmas Day open house last December, Hardev Kaur, an aide to Mr. Najib, said Christian crosses would have to be removed. There could be no carols or prayers, so as not to offend the prime minister, who is Muslim. Ms. Kaur later insisted that she "had made it clear that it was a request and not an instruction," as if any Malaysian could say no to a request from the prime minister's office.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a href="" name="U401849493051JAG"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1.3em; line-height: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 8px; margin-right: 8px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;Similar examples of insensitivity abound. In September 2009, Minister of Home Affairs Hishammuddin Onn met with protesters who had carried the decapitated head of a cow, a sacred animal in the Hindu religion, to an Indian temple. Mr. Hishammuddin then held a press conference defending their actions. Two months later, Defense Minister Ahmad Zahid Hamidi told Parliament that one reason Malaysia's armed forces are overwhelmingly Malay is that other ethnic groups have a "low spirit of patriotism." Under public pressure, he later apologized.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1.3em; line-height: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 8px; margin-right: 8px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;The leading Malay language newspaper, Utusan Melayu, prints what opposition leader Lim Kit Siang calls a daily staple of falsehoods that stoke racial hatred. Utusan, which is owned by Mr. Najib's political party, has claimed that the opposition would make Malaysia a colony of China and abolish the Malay monarchy. 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It's an economic problem as well.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1.3em; line-height: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 8px; margin-right: 8px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;Once one of the developing world's stars, Malaysia's economy has underperformed for the past decade. To meet its much-vaunted goal of becoming a developed nation by 2020, Malaysia needs to grow by 8% per year during this decade. That level of growth will require major private investment from both domestic and foreign sources, upgraded human skills, and significant economic reform. 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They also have the cultural and linguistic savvy to enhance Malaysia's economic ties with Asia's two biggest growing markets, China and India.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1.3em; line-height: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 8px; margin-right: 8px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;Of course, one could argue that discrimination isn't new for these Chinese and Indians. Malaysia's affirmative action policies for its Malay majority—which give them preference in everything from stock allocation to housing discounts—have been in place for decades. So what is driving the ethnic minorities away now?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1.3em; line-height: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 8px; margin-right: 8px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;First, these minorities increasingly feel that they have lost a voice in their own government. The Chinese and Indian political parties in the ruling coalition are supposed to protect the interests of their communities, but over the past few years, they have been neutered. They stand largely silent in the face of the growing racial insults hurled by their Malay political partners. Today over 90% of the civil service, police, military, university lecturers, and overseas diplomatic staff are Malay. Even TalentCorp, the government agency created in 2010 that is supposed to encourage overseas Malaysians to return home, is headed by a Malay, with an all-Malay Board of Trustees.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1.3em; line-height: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 8px; margin-right: 8px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;Second, economic reform and adjustments to the government's affirmative action policies are on hold. Although Mr. Najib held out the hope of change a year ago with his New Economic Model, which promised an "inclusive" affirmative action policy that would be, in Mr. Najib's words, "market friendly, merit-based, transparent and needs-based," he has failed to follow through. This is because of opposition from right-wing militant Malay groups such as Perkasa, which believe that a move towards meritocracy and transparency threatens what they call "Malay rights."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1.3em; line-height: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 8px; margin-right: 8px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;But stalling reform will mean a further loss in competitiveness and slower growth. It also means that the cronyism and no-bid contracts that favor the well-connected will continue. All this sends a discouraging signal to many young Malaysians that no matter how hard they study or work, they will have a hard time getting ahead.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1.3em; line-height: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 8px; margin-right: 8px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;Mr. Najib may not actually believe much of the rhetoric emanating from his party and his government's officers, but he tolerates it because he needs to shore up his Malay base. It's politically convenient at a time when his party faces its most serious opposition challenge in recent memory—and especially when the opposition is challenging the government on ethnic policy and its economic consequences. One young opposition leader, parliamentarian Nurul Izzah Anwar, the daughter of former deputy prime minister Anwar Ibrahim, has proposed a national debate on what she called the alternative visions of Malaysia's future—whether it should be a Malay nation or a Malaysian nation. For that, she earned the wrath of Perkasa; the government suggested her remark was "seditious."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1.3em; line-height: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 8px; margin-right: 8px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;Malaysia's government might find it politically expedient to stir the racial and religious pot, but its opportunism comes with an economic price tag. Its citizens will continue to vote with their feet and take their money and talents with them. And foreign investors, concerned about racial instability and the absence of meaningful economic reform, will continue to look elsewhere to do business.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="display: block; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 1.3em; line-height: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 8px; margin-right: 8px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;em style="font-style: italic; font-weight: normal;"&gt;Mr. Malott was the U.S. Ambassador to Malaysia, 1995-1998.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7849432280687603069-2405337129835322956?l=damien-crankyramblings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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the Tipping Point&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Tuesday, 25th January  2011&lt;br /&gt;
Melbourne, Australia &lt;br /&gt;
By Kris Sayce&lt;/strong&gt;  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Aussie House Prices Hit the Tipping Point&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Reading  &lt;em&gt;The Age&lt;/em&gt; reporting on the housing market over the last couple of weeks  has been like watching the Comedy Channel.&lt;br /&gt;
At any point we expect Jon Stewart  or Stephen Colbert to fly out of the page to tweak our nose and give us a cheeky  wink.&lt;br /&gt;
First we had, “&lt;a href="http://clicks.portphillippublishing.net//t/AQ/AAPxJg/AAP7tg/AAM2+Q/AQ/Au8tcg/qvjW" target="_blank" title="http://clicks.portphillippublishing.net//t/AQ/AAPxJg/AAP7tg/AAM2+Q/AQ/Au8tcg/qvjW"&gt;Land sales plummet, adding to price  squeeze&lt;/a&gt;”.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;em&gt;Fairfax&lt;/em&gt; reporter Chris Zappone wrote:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;em&gt;“Land  sales have dropped to decade lows, further eroding the nation’s housing  affordability as prices continue to rise, according to RPData and the Housing  Industry Association…&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;em&gt;“Even as the pace of sales slows, Australia  faces a roughly 200,000-unit housing shortage, HIA estimates, driven by  complicated planning processes, a tax policy that encourages buyers to hold  multiple homes, and the slow release of suitable land by real estate developers  and governments.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
So what we have is falling demand equalling a housing  shortage.&lt;br /&gt;
How does that work then?&lt;br /&gt;
Surely, if the bulls were right and  there is a housing shortage, buyers would be ripping the arms off real estate  developers to get land at any price.&lt;br /&gt;
Yet as &lt;em&gt;The Age&lt;/em&gt;  reports:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;em&gt;“Land sales in the city [Melbourne] staged an even bigger  retreat, falling 74.2 per cent in the year to September, to about 1500, the  lowest since the March quarter of 1991.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Cameron Kusher from RPData is  quoted saying:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;em&gt;“Undoubtedly something needs to be done to address  affordability constraints and governments at all levels need to realise that it  is a serious problem.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Turn the numbers around and what you’ve got are  buyers saying they won’t pay stupid prices.&amp;nbsp; Prices are too high. &amp;nbsp;And they need  to fall.&amp;nbsp; But the mainstream doesn’t look at it like that.&lt;br /&gt;
As far as the  mainstream is concerned, a lack of demand equals a lack of supply.&amp;nbsp; Therefore  prices are bound to go higher… because there’s a housing shortage.&lt;br /&gt;
Of course,  as you should know, the so-called housing shortage doesn’t exist.&amp;nbsp; What you’ve  got in most cases is over-the-top expectations of sellers.&lt;br /&gt;
I can give you a  good example… about two years ago, a house in the Sayce family’s street sold for  around $750,000.&amp;nbsp; That was roughly 60% more than houses in the same street were  going for three years earlier.&lt;br /&gt;
Today, two homes in the same street are on the  market in the mid to high $600,000s.&amp;nbsp; One of these homes has been on the market  for over a year.&amp;nbsp; By our estimate, they’re dreaming if they reckon they’ll get  anything close to what they’re after.&lt;br /&gt;
If they knock 10—20% off the price they  might be in with a chance… More likely they’ll have to lop 30% off the reduced  price to have a chance of selling.&lt;br /&gt;
And based on letters we’ve received from  &lt;em&gt;Money Morning&lt;/em&gt; readers, it’s a similar story elsewhere in suburbia.&amp;nbsp;  Prices on decent, relatively modern homes are 30% lower than similar homes were  two years ago.&lt;br /&gt;
Trouble is, they’re &lt;u&gt;still&lt;/u&gt; overpriced!&lt;br /&gt;
Yet so far,  this familiar story has failed to show up in the dodgy housing index numbers.&amp;nbsp;  We doubt that will be the case for long.&amp;nbsp; In fact, based on the comical analysis  of the housing market by &lt;strong&gt;ANZ Bank [ASX: ANZ]&lt;/strong&gt;, we’ll bet the  numbers will start showing up before this year is out.&lt;br /&gt;
According to reporting  of the ANZ report – which we haven’t got our hands on yet:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;em&gt;“The bank  estimates that house prices will plateau this year, at a little more than  $550,000, on average.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Well, that’s something.&amp;nbsp; At least it’s better  than the ‘house prices will double’ rubbish we’re used to reading.&lt;br /&gt;
Even so,  the banks still can’t admit it.&amp;nbsp; They haven’t got the balls to say house prices  have and will fall.&amp;nbsp; They’ve always got to put a spin on it.&amp;nbsp; In their world  house prices either go up, plateau or become more affordable… but they never go  down.&lt;br /&gt;
Of course, the simple reason for that is the banks don’t live in the  real world.&amp;nbsp; They live in the crazy banking world where house prices must go  up.&lt;br /&gt;
You and I know why the banks have to push house prices higher – because  the banks’ balance sheets are so leveraged to the housing market.&lt;br /&gt;
It’s  similar to if you have a margin loan on a share portfolio.&amp;nbsp; While share prices  go up you’re laughing. &amp;nbsp;You’re getting a lovely return on your capital.&amp;nbsp; But as  soon as prices fall, unless you’ve reduced your exposure, you’re going to be in  a bunch of trouble.&lt;br /&gt;
And that’s exactly what the banks are exposed to… falling  house prices.&lt;br /&gt;
But as we say, even with price expectations falling by 30%,  Aussie homes are still way overpriced.&amp;nbsp; Yesterday the &lt;a href="http://clicks.portphillippublishing.net//t/AQ/AAPxJg/AAP7tg/AAE-xg/AQ/Au8tcg/Pyry" target="_blank" title="http://clicks.portphillippublishing.net//t/AQ/AAPxJg/AAP7tg/AAE-xg/AQ/Au8tcg/Pyry"&gt;7th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability  Survey&lt;/a&gt; was released.&lt;br /&gt;
It shows that housing in every Australian town and  city surveyed is either ‘Seriously Unaffordable’ or ‘Severely  Unaffordable’.&lt;br /&gt;
For example, in Sydney the median house price is 9.6-times the  median household income.&lt;br /&gt;
In Melbourne the median house price is 9-times the  median household income.&lt;br /&gt;
And on the Sunshine Coast the median house price is  8.4-times the median household income.&lt;br /&gt;
But we thought it would be fun to see  how the ratios had changed since the &lt;strong&gt;Commonwealth Bank of Australia  [ASX: CBA]&lt;/strong&gt; published its misleading figures a few months ago.&lt;br /&gt;
You’ll  recall the bank printed the following slide in a presentation it gave to  international investors:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;img alt="Comparing apples with rabbits" border="0" height="202" src="http://www.moneymorning.com.au/images/mm20110125a.jpg" width="239" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;The bank was trying to show that Aussie house prices weren’t  overpriced compared to cities overseas.&amp;nbsp; And a quick glance at that chart would  make you think the bank was right.&lt;br /&gt;
But, we could smell a great big stinking  juicy rat…&lt;br /&gt;
We were the &lt;a href="http://clicks.portphillippublishing.net//t/AQ/AAPxJg/AAP7tg/AAJuIQ/AQ/Au8tcg/1yQG" target="_blank" title="http://clicks.portphillippublishing.net//t/AQ/AAPxJg/AAP7tg/AAJuIQ/AQ/Au8tcg/1yQG"&gt;first to point out at the time that the CBA had pulled a fast  one&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;nbsp; Not that the dumbos in the mainstream press noticed.&amp;nbsp; They simply  parroted what the bank told them.&lt;br /&gt;
The bank’s crime?&amp;nbsp; It used numbers from  Demographia to highlight the high ratios in overseas markets. &amp;nbsp;But it used lower  numbers (using a different methodology) from UBS for the Australian  cities.&lt;br /&gt;
If it had used Demographia data for all cities the table would have  looked like this:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;img alt="Comparing apples with apples" border="0" height="212" src="http://www.moneymorning.com.au/images/mm20110125b.jpg" width="247" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Just a slight difference!&amp;nbsp; Using the Demographia numbers would have  shown the house-price-to-income ratios to be 50% higher than the bank  claimed.&lt;br /&gt;
Needless to say the CBA shifted the blame and claimed it wasn’t  trying to mislead at all.&amp;nbsp; Of course that didn’t stop the bank from keeping the  slide in the presentation and embarking on a world tour to hoodwink investors  into buying the bank’s bonds.&lt;br /&gt;
So, how do the numbers stack up now?&amp;nbsp; Take a  look at this:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="209" src="http://www.moneymorning.com.au/images/mm20110125c.jpg" width="318" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Yep, house prices in Sydney and Melbourne are considerably more  expensive than other major cities.&amp;nbsp; And, whereas prices-to-income ratios in  other major cities have largely stabilised, in Sydney and Melbourne the ratios  have gotten much worse.&lt;br /&gt;
But how does that gel when we claim house prices have  already started to fall?&lt;br /&gt;
It’s simple.&amp;nbsp; Right now, many sellers falsely  believe house prices will recover.&amp;nbsp; So they’re holding on… for dear life.&amp;nbsp;  They’re still in a dreamland thinking they’ll get the same price that sellers  were getting two or three years ago.&lt;br /&gt;
But soon enough they’ll start to sell,  and those figures will filter through to the dodgy house price indices.&amp;nbsp; And  eventually the numbers will even start to show in the Demographia  survey.&lt;br /&gt;
That’s when sellers will figure out the glory days have gone.&amp;nbsp; And  that’s when you’ll get the rush to the exit.&amp;nbsp; Especially when the fabled  baby-boomers start flooding the market with their un-mortgaged  properties.&lt;br /&gt;
What do they care whether they sell for $600,000 or $500,000 when  they bought the house for $50,000 thirty years ago?&amp;nbsp; OK, they will care, because  it’ll be a big chunk out of their retirement savings.&amp;nbsp; But the point is, once  they get it that house prices don’t always go up, they’ll sell as soon as you  can blink.&lt;br /&gt;
But, &lt;em&gt;The Age&lt;/em&gt; article did get one thing  right:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;em&gt;“Australian house prices are expected to finish this year flat,  amid signs that a slowdown in price gains could become ‘entrenched’, according  to ANZ.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The bit they got right is the ‘entrenched’ part… not the house  prices finishing flat this year.&amp;nbsp; &lt;u&gt;House prices will finish the year lower.&amp;nbsp;  There’s no doubt about that.&lt;/u&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
What will become entrenched is the  realisation that house prices don’t always go up.&amp;nbsp; Investors and buyers have  already started to figure that one out.&amp;nbsp; And the longer prices stay where they  are, the more convinced buyers will be that there’s no rush to tuck into the  market.&lt;br /&gt;
That’s happened in the UK and US where property buyers no longer see  housing as a get-rich-quick money-making goldmine.&lt;br /&gt;
“But what about the  chronic housing shortage?” you may ask.&amp;nbsp; It doesn’t exist.&lt;br /&gt;
Remember the daft  numbers from the National Housing Supply Council?&amp;nbsp; That’s the government body  responsible for spreading the myth about the shortage.&amp;nbsp; The NaHSC is where the  banks and property spruikers have gotten their ammo to support the shortage  myth.&lt;br /&gt;
Before you swallow the myth check out how the NaHSC came to its  conclusion.&amp;nbsp; Here’s the table from the 2008 report:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="212" src="http://www.moneymorning.com.au/images/mm20110125d.jpg" width="290" /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Source: NaHSC&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;We remember seeing it for the  first time and laughing heartily.&amp;nbsp; We picked these numbers apart over a year  ago.&amp;nbsp; Yet still the mainstream peddles the myth.&lt;br /&gt;
The numbers to support the  housing shortage are based on 9,000 homeless people sleeping rough, 35,000  families who live with friends and relatives, 13,000 families who live in  caravan parks, and 26,000 people who… well, this one is really  ridiculous.&lt;br /&gt;
These 26,000 people are imaginary.&amp;nbsp; They no more exist than the  Loch Ness monster…&lt;br /&gt;
What it’s saying is that because the rental vacancy rate  is, say 2%, another 26,000 homes are needed in order to get the vacancy rate up  to 3%.&amp;nbsp; In other words, there isn’t a shortage of rental properties at all.&amp;nbsp;  It’s just that the vacancy rate is lower than the long-term average.&lt;br /&gt;
What  it’s saying is that to solve the so-called housing shortage the market needs  more empty houses!&lt;br /&gt;
We liken it to a shop claiming there’s a milk shortage  when they’ve got ten bottles of milk left over at the end of the day when they  used to have fifteen left over.&lt;br /&gt;
It’s not a shortage.&amp;nbsp; It’s a surplus you  clowns.&lt;br /&gt;
But even better than that, the NaHSC wasn’t happy to just add all the  dodgy numbers together.&amp;nbsp; It had to round the number up to the nearest 5,000.&amp;nbsp; So  even if we accepted their dodgy numbers – which we don’t – the number has been  exaggerated by 2,000 dwellings that are merely the result of  rounding-up!&lt;br /&gt;
What a joke.&amp;nbsp; But that’s the government for you.&lt;br /&gt;
Yet these  are the numbers the banks and spruikers base their statistics on when they carp  on about a housing shortage.&lt;br /&gt;
Make no mistake, all the evidence is pointing  towards a massive drop in the price of Australian housing.&amp;nbsp; For many the drop  has already happened.&amp;nbsp; Just look at the houses on the market in your area and  you’ll see the asking price is well below the levels of two years ago – and  still they aren’t selling.&lt;br /&gt;
The UK and US housing bubble made a loud pop when  it burst.&amp;nbsp; It seems in contrast the Aussie market is suffering from a slow  deflation as the air comes out of it.&lt;br /&gt;
Either way, it’s bad news for sellers  right now.&amp;nbsp; But a year from now it’ll be great news for buyers.&amp;nbsp; As I wrote a  couple of weeks ago, keep your eye on the housing market… but don’t buy yet…  your time will come.&lt;br /&gt;
Cheers,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Kris Sayce&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Fast forward a few years and deJavu. &amp;nbsp;I called Virgin to ask them when my wife's mobile phone contract ended and guess what, they said they could not provide me with the date because they didn't have it. &amp;nbsp;That detail was with another department and I had to call a 1300 number. &amp;nbsp;I sent back an email telling them it was BS and proceeded to call the number. &amp;nbsp;After waiting for 30 minutes (which is good for Virgin, I've known people who have waited for more than 4 hours) this loser answered the phone and proceeded to ask me so many questions around why I wanted to know the expiry date of the contract. &amp;nbsp;I proceeded to tell her that I ask the questions and her job was to answer them and not the other way round and pleaded with her not to waste both out times and give me the date immediately so we could both get on with our lives. &amp;nbsp;FINALLY, I got the date and it happened that it expired in August, so it was out of contract and I could finally leave the sorry excuse of a Telco. &amp;nbsp;The disgusting way in which they gave me the run around and their strategy to try to keep customers who so obviously want to leave is shocking in the least. &amp;nbsp;This made my decision to leave so much easier.&lt;br /&gt;
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I was then curious to know if I was one of only a few who had continuous problems with Virgin and decided to troll the net to see what other people thought of Virgin, it's products and it's service and it turned out that the loathing for Virgin was more pronounced, intense and widespread than I had expected.&lt;br /&gt;
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See below some comments from people about their experiences with Virgin (I've only posted a fraction of the comments as there were pages and pages of negative comments, more pages than would fill ten books of "War and Peace"):&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Shakti&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 12/01/2011&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;for all the comments re the TIO and virgin i actually took them to the TIO and won - none of the telcos want to pay the exhorbitant costs once the complaint goes to stream 2 which i think is about 10 days after the original lodging of the claim number from the TIO with the telco - i went to vodafone - it was worse but upfront said that if they didn't agree to release me if the service was crap i would take them to the TIO also - they agreed to release and were great - i am actually back with virgin on my iphone - yeah its mostly up and down the phone service - and i am now friends with the guy i made the original complaint with and virgin - but in the last few days in sydney the mobile broadband is down to GPRS speeds and it is horrendous - i spoke to someone at a apple mac store today about it while i was in there and they said that both voda and virgin have too many customers for the towers to handle these days - so until the upgrades happen to the towers we are all pretty well much screwed -stay with the TIO anytime i say TIO to any telco they take me more seriously -&lt;br /&gt;
happy new year everyone&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Lori&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 11/01/2011&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;Pure &amp;amp; simple, Virgin wireless home broadband sucks!!&lt;br /&gt;
I have been with them for 3yrs (god knows why I didn't leave as soon as contract ended) &amp;amp; am now VERY CAREFULLY assessing alternatives. Been through weeks worth of outages and helpdesk calls, promises never kept, replacement modems, hours of wasted time &amp;amp; through it all crappy intermittent Internet connectivity. I'm leaving &amp;amp; strongly advise consumers avoid this ISP!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;wombat&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 09/01/2011&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;If you want to reach the Help Desk at VB, go to the Sales or Accounts Desk then ask them to transfer you to the Help Desk. My PB was a 4 1/2 hour wait for the Help Desk - and they can never help you. The product is really just pure shyte. Two tin cans and a length of string will do a better job.&lt;br /&gt;
I will never buy a Virgin brand product (including flying) again.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Anonymous&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 06/01/2011&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;Virgin mobile boardband is bs, there's a reason why Optus sells mobile boardband service for virgin, because both Virgin and Optus gives out shady products&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Philip&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 04/01/2011&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;I bought a Virgin Mobile WiFi modem E5832 last month which never worked.The software itself is not getting installed properly.Wasted my time and money on talking to the customer support.It is the worst provider I have ever come across.I will never recommend this.I am quite happy with Vodafone now.I wonder how such a company is surviving in a country like Australia&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;mikei&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 14/12/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;Why is this company called 'Virgin' when it has been SCREWING it's customers OVER ALL THESE MANY YEARS?!?!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;rockyRoad&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 15/11/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;Virgin mobile broadband is a crock!&lt;br /&gt;
How can they sell such a dodgy product. Persistent drop outs and go slows. Problems then reconnecting...&lt;br /&gt;
What a friggin JOKE!!!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;malcolm&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 02/11/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;virgin is a joke!&lt;br /&gt;
my mobile broadband was great!&lt;br /&gt;
for about a year... now is trash&lt;br /&gt;
no reception then full reception&lt;br /&gt;
but still no speed!&lt;br /&gt;
definatly going to a new provider.&lt;br /&gt;
virgin will be getting no more money off me :)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;sarah&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 26/10/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;Do NOT use Virgin&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;This company is the WORST!1. Bought the MiFi and the device never worked.&lt;br /&gt;
2. Paid $40 for the monthly service and obviously never had service&lt;br /&gt;
3. I called right away, they told me they'd fix the problem. I do not exaggerate. I called at least 9 times and they kept telling me "turn it off and on", "take the battery off and restart your computer", etc. Had me at least 40 minutes on the phone each time and every time I called I had to explain the same thing all over again because there was no record of my problem on their system in spite they always told me they were conducting an "investigation" on my situation.&lt;br /&gt;
4. They finally told me they'd reimburse me the $40 for the service and would send me a new device.&lt;br /&gt;
5. I received an email saying my new device had been shipped by Fedex overnight.&lt;br /&gt;
6. 5 days later, when I had not received the package, I called Fedex and they told me that they had never picked up that package from Virgin and it had never been shipped even though a tracking number had been assigned to it by the company (Virgin) shipping center.&lt;br /&gt;
7. I called three times more to find out and they kept telling me it was on queue to be shipped but Fedex had not been over to pick up packages.&lt;br /&gt;
8. 13 days later I finally called again. There was no record of anything. I requested my refund again ($40) and said I did not want the new device anymore, to send me a refund for it ($150). They said they just had to start yet another investigation and to call them back 72 hours later to find out what had happened.&lt;br /&gt;
9. 10 days later nothing had happened. I called again and they just said "we apologize for the inconvenience. We'll write another ticket to investigate what happened to your claim and will let headquarters know you have still not received anything."&lt;br /&gt;
10. It's been another week and nothing has happened yet but at this point, should I keep the faith?&lt;br /&gt;
On top of all this, the communication is horrible... it's like talking on the phone with someone with very bad reception. And this is a cellphone company too?&lt;br /&gt;
HORRIBLE. Will NEVER get anything from Virgin or recommend this company. It sounds to me like a scam.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;CD Parkin&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 21/09/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;Glad to hear that I am not the only one who has been treated with contempt by this company.Will never use Virgin for anything again as long as I live. I cancelled Virgin and signed up with Vodafone mobile broadband instead, only to find them twice as bad as Virgin.&lt;br /&gt;
If you try to ring them you get a voice activated menu that's impossible to navigate through, you get put on hold for over an hour and the staff in the shops can't help you.&lt;br /&gt;
And they overcharge on your bill and then cut your service off when you won't pay it.&lt;br /&gt;
Just thought I would warn you about this. Don't touch Vodafone with a ten foot pole !!!&lt;br /&gt;
(And which phone/data compoany is any better? NMOne that I've discovered. -PZ)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;DL&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 27/08/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;Yes, they raised their prices right when I went to renew the service after I paid $80 for the device. The customer service was the worst I have EVER encountered. Try another service.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Stephanie V.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 26/08/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;I LOVE virgin mobile They have saved me and my husband over $800 dollars this year ALONE! It's not always the fastest but it's idiot proof lol And I love it! Would recommend it to ANYONE. I do online marketing and it's AWESOME.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Richard&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 11/08/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;I can't talk about their USB modems and coverage but as for the home phone/internet bundle I have no real complaints. Initially there were issues like Happy Ending and Another Sucker had but after updating the modems firmware the problem disappeared.&lt;br /&gt;
I have experienced long waiting times when I have had need to call them but what Telco hasn't?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Happy ending&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 11/08/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;I rang and complained twice regarding the constant drop-outs, but the third call I asked to be released from the contract, which they did without a problem.(Thanks. That's a good tip. -PZ)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Another sucker with virgin broadband&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 07/08/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;I can not even stay connected for an hour without a drop out - making online gaming impossible, and the chance of downloading anything at virgins slow speeds near immpossible. Eighty percent of the time my speed is less than 5k.&lt;br /&gt;
Avoid virgin broad band if you want service or quality.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Mick Spence&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 06/07/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;I was one of the wankers silly enough to go to virgin broadband, I had acceptable service until someone accessed my account and I made a complaint. The Saturday after the complaint was made modem just went dead, does anyone one know if this modem can be tested to see if it was disabled by the company!! When I rang virgin it said that they would send me out a usb modem and I would have to find another telco for my phone. I still 5 months to run on the contract. I complained to the TIO and that was like talking to a brick wall.(Give the TIO another go. -PZ)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Karen Elphinstone&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 24/05/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;I am on a contract with my mobile and internet combined and thats ok but if anyone is considering virgin, then think again. My daughter and myself both have wireless broadband and if we are lucky enough to get each night, then it takes us 15 to 20 minutes to get onto a site..msn..dont even think about it, its impossible to sign in and then if we are lucky enough to get onto a site, we find it will boot us off every few minutes, we dont have a choice but to shut our laptops down. Best time is first thing every morning...night time, don't think about it. Virgin totally sucks!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Malcolm Taylor&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 10/05/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;Virgin Broad band customer service is terrible was advised we could couple our 2 computers to it wern't told we needed wireles modems and our computers are too old anyway ordered the wifi paid up front just received it and dicovered all the problems rang technical support after pressing 6 buttons I think ended up in the wrong area took 15 minutes to get through to teck support no help at all could hardly understand them just told me to log on to virgin mobile broadband kept going away for more information denied access to superviser.Transfered to customer support anouther 10 minutes told definately no use to us will send out satchel to pick pick it up.If you are thinking of Virgin Don't&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Rob Vettor&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 28/04/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;Virgin Mobile Boradband absolutely sucks. Application screens do not work correctly. The IVR (Phone System) is an absolute piece of crap and the customer service is absolutlely horrible.Do not even think about using these people.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Mark Lattaway&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 22/04/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;Ok, back from yesterdays post. Tonight is the last night on this months plan, tomorrow we start a fresh, so like every end of the month i download all my shows through torrents to use up the remaining amount of data i have left. I have saved a couple of pictures from my usage window Virgin gives you.When you click on the link below you'll see that i have circled a few areas.&lt;br /&gt;
Red = Same Same... join 1 red circle with the next.&lt;br /&gt;
Green = Time from when the first picture was taken to when the next picture was taken.&lt;br /&gt;
Pink = Data usage from one picture to the next.&lt;br /&gt;
Yellow = .... when Virgin cuts my bandwidth for going over the 5GB for the month period :(((((&lt;br /&gt;
Green Circle =&lt;br /&gt;
1st Pic = 1:54:12&lt;br /&gt;
2nd Pic = 2:04:36&lt;br /&gt;
Diff = 0:10:24&lt;br /&gt;
Data Downloaded&lt;br /&gt;
1st Pic = 451.48MB&lt;br /&gt;
2nd Pic = 675.58MB&lt;br /&gt;
Diff = 224.10MB&lt;br /&gt;
(over a 0:10:24 period) thats approx 1.2GB an hr!&lt;br /&gt;
I have been downloading for the past 40minutes, i only caught the last 20mins you might say (from the start of the 1st picture to the yellow circle.&lt;br /&gt;
Once again i state from my previous posts... these types of download speeds are only in the last 4-5days of the plan i've found.&lt;br /&gt;
Cheers Mark&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href="http://s565.photobucket.com/albums/ss99/roamin_oz/Virgin/VirginUsage2.png" style="color: black; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11px; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank"&gt;http://i565.photobucket.com/albums/ss99/roamin_oz/Virgin/VirginUsage2.png&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Mark Lattaway&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 21/04/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;Well i'm back from a 5 month absence and once again i can't help but have excellent coverage from Virgin, honestly i have only 1 complain with this crowd. That is, the coverage in New Farm Brisbane is crap still, but apart from that 10/10. In my last post i talked about maybe if i had the ariel it might improve it, well the ariel did nothing, wasted 30buxs but oh well.I don't know if there are others that are on the plan I'm on but from next month an extra 1GB is allocated to my usage, so it will now be 6GB for $34. Man that is cheap as for wireless.&lt;br /&gt;
Seriously, i don't know why these people are having so much trouble, guess i'm glad i'm in my shoes and not theirs?&lt;br /&gt;
Cheers Mark&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Kelly Harvey&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 14/04/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;I have to agree whole-heartedly with the negative sentiments on this forum. And let me add that I am a long time, loyal Virgin follower; mobile, credit cards, airline and my partner even worked for them in the UK, BUT I do NOT recommend their mobile broadband service - dial up would be better. I am on the $34 a month, 5GB deal and despite my best intentions, couldn't use that if I tried cause the connection is so useless. I get between 0-3kbps in both Sydney (Randwick) and Brisbane (Newmarket). The service frequently drops out and is very frustrating to use.In their defense, it is certainly very handy to have the internet by just plugging in a USB, but the speed is disgustingly slow.&lt;br /&gt;
I never write blogs but I feel strongly about the poor quality of this product and wish someone had warned me. Sorry Virgin, you've lost my support on this one.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Simon&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 22/03/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;Thanks everyone for the great advice. My two year contract with 3 has just ended and I'm looking for a new mobile broadband provider. Thanks to this site, I'll avoid Virgin/Optus and their resellers at all costs. Any point looking at Vodafone or should I stick with 3 (which has been pretty good for a while now). Thanks guys.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Grumpy Broad Band user&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 24/02/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;Virgin Broad band are terriable. Thier customer service lied to me about porting my home number, the service sucks, I;m lucky to have a night on internet access that doesnt drop out every 20-40 times over 4 hours, support line feeds you bullshit.&lt;br /&gt;
I activaily suggest to everyone who asks to avoid Virgin.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Matthew Bigg&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 12/02/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;I was considering purchasing, VMB but am very glad I stumbled across this page.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Nigel Pay&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 10/02/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;Just to give an update - it is now a over a month since I let Virgin know of my problem and two months since anyone from another network has been able to phone me. Virgin promised to waiver the monthly fee until it was fixed. I checked my bank statement today and surprise surprise the debit has been made. Needless to say it is with the TIO. Lets hope they have more luck than me!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Older Person&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 18/01/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;I susoect this is Optus under another clothing. Correct?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;thommo&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 17/01/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;this is ridiculus third time ive tried to write this using virgin broadband and yet they make it hard to even have a winge about them as I have had problems since day one reguarding falsely advertised prices and the typical constant cut outs as so many people have complained about. i have rang them up and even threatened to complain to the communications onbudsman and yet all i was offered was the advertised price as a one off only if i could prove it, then after i proved it the person that offered me the crummy one off was then uncontactable and ever since i have had problems with the running software and cut outs. something really needs to be done with this crappy service.(TIO. -PZ)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Alpal&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 14/01/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;I am at the end of my tether regarding the sub-standard performance of both my Virgin Broadband and Virgin Home Phone.I believe I was amongst the earliest subscribers to Virgin Broadband and have had to deal with an endless list of service difficulties with little help from Virgin Broadband. For about 18 months their "Customer Support" was just not contactable. I have tried on 2 occassions to contact customer support in the last fortnight regarding the unusable broadband service. My broadband service was rendered almost unusable and is still dismal.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
My troubles are:&lt;br /&gt;
Modem regularly refuses to connect connect to the internet.&lt;br /&gt;
The email server is often uncontactable.&lt;br /&gt;
The modem often needs to be reset.&lt;br /&gt;
Requires multiple attempts to log on to email server.&lt;br /&gt;
Requires multiple attempts to obtain a web pages.&lt;br /&gt;
Often times out.&lt;br /&gt;
Callers often complain my phone didn't ring and went straight to voice mail. When instantly called back again, it would be OK, except it cost them 2 calls.&lt;br /&gt;
Last time, it took me 14 attempts for the phone to "ring" customer support (just as well I wasn't needing 000).&lt;br /&gt;
Regularly when I call someone I get "Hi this is Virgin Mobile, you cannot call this number, etc."&lt;br /&gt;
The list goes on.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I have alway updated my modem, my signal strength is always "Good" and have alway accepted and followed the advise from customer support. Customer support has yet to solved any problem I have had.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I am literally pissed off, and certainly don't want to pay for the service I'm not getting. My personal belief is that their network is now over subscribed and they have not the bandwidth to supply the contracted service. I am literally being charged for a full tank of petrol when the tank is only quater filled. I call it theft. Where is the ACCC?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The conseqential inconvenience has been substantial.&lt;br /&gt;
(If you ring the TIO they will give you a hotline number in the telco you are having trouble with. In this case Virgin. I'd be seeking compensation too. -PZ)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Mark Shaw&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 12/01/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;i havent tried virgin mobile broadband, and i dont think i will because of all the bad rep i hear here. i used iPrimus and sometimes it would drop out in a full coverage area. then i tried vodafone broadband... it is a cheap easy way to get the net as well. you spend $19, thats right. $19 and you get 550 mb of data for the month, but if you really want to test it out, ask to activate the network roaming feature, it works a treat!&lt;br /&gt;
expecially in willeton. vodafone rarely works where i am currently staying but telstra is abundant here. so that goes onto "roaming networks" and you still get the same data you paid for. no roaming network fee, no hidden costs to use the network for how long you want. and i believe you can take the dongle over seas as well. this is the best prepaid wireless broadband and i wont be changing any time soon.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="dsprSol" style="border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-bottom-style: solid; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-left-style: solid; border-left-width: 1px; border-right-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-right-style: solid; border-right-width: 1px; border-top-color: rgb(153, 153, 153); border-top-style: solid; border-top-width: 1px; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 11px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding-bottom: 4px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 4px;"&gt;&lt;div id="row1" style="color: black; padding-bottom: 6px;"&gt;&lt;span style="float: left;"&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;Nigel Pay&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="float: right;"&gt;Posted: 07/01/2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;div id="row2" style="background-color: #eeeeee; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 3px; padding-bottom: 3px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 3px;"&gt;re: Ever tried Virgin Mobile Broadband?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div id="row3" style="padding-bottom: 20px; padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px; padding-top: 5px;"&gt;I have been on Broadband at Home for the past two years (yippee out of contract). For the past month (that I know off) the internet works but I cannot receive any phone calls from any other networks apart from Virgin. Thats right - noone can ring me unless they are on the Virgin network. All other callers are told the number is not connected. Virgin have been "looking into it" since early December and each time i ring the Indian call centre I get the same responce - the problem is being looked into...try restarting your modem....aagggghhh!!!!!!!!!!(I hope you're demanding a partial refund then Nigel. I would have said "asking for" but I really mean "demanding". -PZ)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7849432280687603069-9114602682548507784?l=damien-crankyramblings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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You're telling potential burglars that not only are you away from home for an hour or so, but beginning Tuesday, your home likely will be empty for seven days.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;"Even listing daily activities can let strangers know your routine and put you at risk," said Gail Cunningham, spokeswoman for the National Foundation of Credit Counseling.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;Too much information can hurt you in other ways. John Sileo, a Denver-based identify-theft expert, said your online chatter could equip an ex-spouse with ammunition for a court challenge. Future or current employers could have a problem with information about your personal life that they deem inappropriate for a member of their staff, he said.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;You also could be furnishing a would-be stalker with information about your whereabouts. "We are giving people the little pieces of our trust or access to our trust that allows them to get bigger things out of us," said Sileo, founder of the ThinkLikeaSpy.com newsletter.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;[&lt;a href="http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AqCJcunD24HUHTI595loozQkPsR_;_ylu=X3oDMTE3YTI2cWgzBHBvcwMyBHNlYwNhcnRpY2xlRmluYWwEc2xrA3NlZTZ0aGluZ3N5bw--/SIG=10qsntdau/**http%3A//yhoo.it/bWzmra" style="color: #0f55c3; line-height: 1.22em; text-decoration: none;"&gt;See 6 Things You Should Never Reveal on Facebook&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;strong style="font-style: normal; font-weight: bold; line-height: 1.22em;"&gt;Tips to Stay Safe&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;Here's some advice from Sileo, who wrote the "Facebook Safety Survival Guide," about protecting online privacy on all social-networking sites:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;• Never post your exact date and place of birth. It's invaluable information to identity thieves, particularly when the two are bundled together.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;• Never post your address, phone number or email address. This is plum information to scammers and marketers who are looking for nuggets of your identity.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;• Control who can see your personal information. Many social-networking sites have privacy features, but they change often. Know what they are, stay on top of them and restrict your page to your real friends, not friends of friends or someone you met in a bar.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;• Limit information about your activities. If you must brag about a trip or a fabulous party, do it after the fact.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;• Remember that what you post is public and permanent. Don't put up embarrassing photos that you wouldn't show your grandmother. Don't complain about your job or your boss. Don't say something to or about someone that you wouldn't say to his face. Don't threaten others.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;• Know the four types of Facebook users: friends, outsiders, businesses and enemies.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;• You should know exactly who wants to be your friend or is asking you to link into their network. Some people will befriend your friends to get to you or your company.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;• Be wary of seemingly harmless quizzes. When someone invites you to take a survey, say, "10 Things Others Don't Know About You" or "My Favorite Things," it may be designed to harvest your data. The name of the street you grew up on or your favorite vacation spot could be clues to your passwords.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;• Before you share any information anywhere online about yourself or your workplace, ask this question: What would the consequences be if this information fell into the hands of my boss, competitor or people who don't like me?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-bottom: 10px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px;"&gt;&lt;em style="font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: 1.22em;"&gt;Jennifer Waters is a MarketWatch reporter, based in Chicago.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7849432280687603069-3888219006986351249?l=damien-crankyramblings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) has ordered Power Balance Australia to refund all customers who feel they were misled by the supposed benefits of Power Balance bracelets.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The wristbands were touted as providing better balance, strength and flexibility by working with the wearer's "natural energy field".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Advertisement: Story continues below &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Illustration: Matt Golding.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;English cricketers Kevin Pietersen and Andrew Strauss, AFL bad boy Brendan Fevola, St Kilda captain Nick Riewoldt and NRL star Benji Marshall have all been known to wear the bracelets.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;But ACCC chairman Graeme Samuel said in a statement: “Power Balance has admitted that there is no credible scientific basis for the claims and therefore no reasonable grounds for making representations about the benefits of the product.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;“Its conduct may have contravened the misleading and deceptive conduction section of the Trade Practices Act 1974," Mr Samuel said.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;"When a product is heavily promoted, sold at major sporting stores and worn by celebrities, consumers tend to give a certain legitimacy to the product and the representations being made."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The bracelets sell for $60 on the company's website.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Mr Samuel also warned that retailers that continue to sell the products with misleading advertising or packaging would be open to action from the ACCC.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Last month an independent review panel that deals with complaints about breaches of the therapeutic goods advertising code found that powerbalance.com.au violated the code.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Power Balance acknowledged it had breached the code and said the relevant claims had been removed from its website.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The company was also named in this year's Shonky awards.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Consumer advocate group Choice found the bracelets were just rubber bands with plastic holograms.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;"The band was tested at CHOICE under controlled lab conditions which showed it did little else than empty purchasers' wallets," Choice said in October.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Follow this reporter on Twitter @geerob&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Comments&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;96 comments so far&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;It's a pity that Choice wasted my subscricption money on proving what we already knew!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Romi | Sydney - December 23, 2010, 8:02AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;just what i thought they use celebrities to give it a fake credibility and rake in the money whoever bought these things though must question there own gullibility,i suppose those people also still believe in the tooth fairy...lol&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;alf | melmac - December 23, 2010, 8:01AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The ACCC have become a total joke, The Chairman gets in the media and spins failures into success, they fail to act on complaints until they have thousands of complaints and in the mean time Australian's are ripped off. If they had reacted when they first get complaints instead of sending a standard e-mail response these issues we never get as big. Is this the best they can do, time for the Govt to disband the ACCC and lower taxes it just is not working!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;dolbet1 - December 23, 2010, 8:05AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;It is fair to expose charlatans who take people's money by exploiting peoples credulity. This sort of thing has gotten out of hand with all the New Age soothsayers and believers.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Given that it is Christmas can we also expose the churches and religions that do the do exactly the same thing? Hmm?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Rob | ACT - December 23, 2010, 7:59AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;One of many scams off the shelves... good, but don't stop here... get onto the "magnetic healing" scams next. Looking at the picture I thought this was going to be about a bracelet with a magnet in it... a hologram is even more tacky but my heart sank a bit when I found out it wasn't a magnet. I'm all for the placebo effect, but there's cheaper and more effective ways to do a placebo than blankets and various apparel with embedded magnets.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Seb - December 23, 2010, 8:03AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Oh no!! You mean rubber bracelets don't actually give you super- powers, and we needed to test these claims under lab conditions to conclude that it's all a bunch of nonsense? Maybe these bracelets are good for something... the proper identification of fools.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;gullible's travels | melbourne - December 23, 2010, 8:05AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;If you were stupid enough to pay $60 for this thinking it would enhance balance, strength and flexibility by working with the wearer's "natural energy field", then you dont deserve your money back.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;This was such an obvious scam from the beginning&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Matt | Newcastle - December 23, 2010, 7:59AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Yes, they've taken the information off their Australian website (well at the moment the link to the Aus website just seems to have been taken off their site altogther, but you can still find it). Meanwhile the same rubbish is there on the US and UK websites where no doubt Australians can go and continue to be misled.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I hope this is picked up by the media around the world and these guys are exposed.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;James | Sydney - December 23, 2010, 7:59AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Is it only Power Balance Australia that is required to give refunds, or other brands such as Eken?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;BD | VIC - December 23, 2010, 7:58AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Shocking.. Bogan betterment bands... FAKE! Now if the ACCC could go after banks and petrol companies... That would be something...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;McTavish | Malvern - December 23, 2010, 7:57AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Yeah, and we needed a study / the ACCC to tell us the bands were shonky ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;... next ACCC will investigate whether Santa's claims to deliver presents to every good child are true&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Abaddon - December 23, 2010, 7:57AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Gee how gullible do you have to be!!! Hey guess what I have these great socks that will increase your walking ability, and only for $99.95....you must get them!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Geesh!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Jas | Sydney - December 23, 2010, 7:51AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;That's because they don't wear them where they're needed most.In Pietersen and Favolas case,they should be wearing it around their foreheads to focus the power directly into the brain.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Dave | Melb - December 23, 2010, 7:51AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Did anyone seriously believe them anyway?? Looks like something you get free with Coco Pops. Here's a tip for improving athletic performance - put the cake down and go for a run.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Jack | Sydney - December 23, 2010, 7:49AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;And we needed the ACCC to tell us that there is no ground for such claims? Same as sitting under a pyramid or whatever else can generate money..&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;ka707 | melbourne - December 23, 2010, 7:48AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I thnk anyone stupid enough to have bought one in the first place doesn't deserve a refund. I never got a refund for the x-ray glasses I bought years ago.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;braddg - December 23, 2010, 7:49AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Their mistake was to sell it as a sports product not a religious one. A fool and their money are soon on a Televangelist's mailing list.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Alex_Qld | Toowoomba - December 23, 2010, 8:08AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I'm not sure...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I'm not sure why we required such august bodies as the ACCC and Choice to tell us that a rubber band around your wrist would not do anything at all for any system of your body. Blood circulation in that hand possibly excepted.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Anyone with the common sense of a stick, which is apparently higher than an AFL player should have known from the start that it was just a massive con.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Oh, and Merry Christmas!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Jim | Bacchus Marsh - December 23, 2010, 8:08AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Appreciate the ACCC doing it's job here, but it really says more about the insane gullibility of some people (sport "stars" and the rest of us alike) that they would believe such ridiculous claims in the first place. The urge to believe is as strong in the human mind as ever.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Andrew McIntosh | Glenroy - December 23, 2010, 7:44AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Well, duh. How gullible are these people? These fools and their money have been parted. Anyone stupid enough to believe that 80c worth of plastic worn on the wrist can improve balance and stamina deserves to have their money taken from them.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;H | The Real World - December 23, 2010, 7:44AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Really?? This gimic yet again proves you can never under estimate the power of advertising and that there is a sucker born every minute&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Mel B | Melbourne - December 23, 2010, 7:45AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Huh? What are they talking about they work, not as claimed but they do work as idiot detectors. . .anyone wearing one is clearly an idiot.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Procor | Q - December 23, 2010, 7:42AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;And to all the believers out there , I have a couple of polarizers from Brockie's Commodores I can sell you to make your cars go better too !!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Steve625 | Sydney - December 23, 2010, 7:43AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;LOL those people who bought this deserve to have their wallets emptied!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;aazar | melbourne - December 23, 2010, 7:43AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Oh no..I am shocked!.. I guess I will just have to train harder! Now they should name and shame the athletes that peddled the rubbish.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;AG - December 23, 2010, 8:10AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I am amazed that seemingly intelligent people can be sucked in by something like these bands.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;What about checking out the magnet bed things also!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;sme | wollongong - December 23, 2010, 7:42AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I think even the people wearing power bracelets knew deep down that they were a fraud. For some reason it became fashionable to advertise that you had been sucked in.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;It would be interesting if the ACCC had some sort of power to issue a "please explain" to the high profile athletes who were paid to wear and promote the products.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Tim | Beerburrum - December 23, 2010, 7:42AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;This was a tax on the stupid. Getting their money back seems unjust.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Mark | Sydney - December 23, 2010, 8:11AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;This is very good news, but one day, hopefully, decent scientific education in this country will mean that people will not fall for such nonsense, one can always hope!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Stoob - December 23, 2010, 8:11AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;...so what's the story here?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Professional sportsmen are gullible idiots?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;People in general are gullible idiots?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;News at 11.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Anders | Melbourne - December 23, 2010, 8:15AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Well... duh!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;tim | Sydney - December 23, 2010, 8:15AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Pity the joke's over. Those bands made it easy to play spot the idiot. Maybe I could market a "Magic Energy Tattoo" based on feng shui? Applied to the forehead it would "increase your strength and protect you from teenage girls with cameras". You could make a fortune!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Greybeard | Scurvy Dog Tavern - December 23, 2010, 8:16AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The wrist band is obviously a load of crap however it does do one good thing - It gives a rather accurate indication of the level of intelligence of the wearers.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;skeptic | melbourne - December 23, 2010, 8:14AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Slow news day? No kittens being rescued by the Fire Brigade? No UFO sightings? This is it? Good luck to the people who came up with this stuff - separating fools from their money is a worthy pursuit, social Darwinism at its best.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Shillard | Newcastle - December 23, 2010, 8:14AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The ACCC is a waste of space when it comes to this sort of thing. You need months of investigations for an obvious scam like this?? If you can't take something as obvious as this off the shelf immediately how on earth are you going to deal with the more complicated scams?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Also, another triumph for the integrity of our sporting "heroes" who took money to promote this scam.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Matt - December 23, 2010, 8:18AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Yer I bought wolverine claws from a toy shop and they couldnt even break through walls/glass/concrete/steel ect. When I went to return them the shop assistant explained that adamantium is not real....... I got over it though... hehehehahahah&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;dumbdumb | brisvegas - December 23, 2010, 8:19AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;This was simpler than a Ponzi scheme - shows you how many suckers there are out there!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Stuart | Melbourne - December 23, 2010, 8:20AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;truly amazing that in this modern age we need to have an authority to explain to people that holographic resonance blah sold in a sports shop for $60 is BS.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;what an amazing age.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;lol | brisbane - December 23, 2010, 8:23AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I am concerned the ACCC is making this company pay back money to consumers. How will those who believe in the "natural energy field" or the power of a piece of rubber with a hologram sticker going to learn if they tom follery doesn't affect their hip pockets?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;If we don't put a stop to the ACCC they will be shutting down the stalls at the mind/body/spirit exhibition !&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;And then it is only a small step to the churches !&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;dean | Sydney - December 23, 2010, 8:25AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Really, how dumb are some people??? The funniest thing about this is that there are google ads for these things under the article. Someone will keep buying them. In the words of that great Statesman Edina Monsoon - we should tax the stupid people...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Scott | melbourne - December 23, 2010, 8:25AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;'A fool and his money are easily parted." Amen&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;JGirl - December 23, 2010, 8:25AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Their must be something to them.Elvis Presley was apparently spotted wearing one recently at the McDonalds franchise where he's now working.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Bob - December 23, 2010, 8:26AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;But Andy Maher and the Ox said they worked!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Mojo - December 23, 2010, 8:28AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;i have just watched as all my friends have continued to purchase this product, knowing all along that something placed on the wrist cannot increase balance and skill etc.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;dazza | Melbourne - December 23, 2010, 8:32AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;@Bob: everyone (except you) knows that Elvis doesn't work at McDonalds, he works at the 7-Eleven store across the street&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The ProFAT. | Bogan-ville - December 23, 2010, 8:37AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;This is very good news, but one day, hopefully, decent scientific education in this country will mean that people will not fall for such nonsense, one can always hope!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Stoob - December 23, 2010, 8:40AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I am shocked these bracelets don't work. It's really thrown me off balance.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Olaf | Wonderland - December 23, 2010, 8:48AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;"English cricketers Kevin Pietersen and Andrew Strauss, AFL bad boy Brendan Fevola, St Kilda captain Nick Riewoldt and NRL star Benji Marshall have all been known to wear the bracelets."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Why is "Bad Boy" used as an adjective for Brendan Fevola? Shouldn't it also have "Nude Boy" for Nick Riewoldt?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;oz | Melbourne - December 23, 2010, 8:50AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;So tell me what is real out there ? besides the fuel price increase for Christmas. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Consumers are always being ripped off. Can anyone explain to me why Woolworths charge 2.18 for a litre of milk and IGA charge 1.89 (same brand)?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;allwarsrfutile | MB FNQ - December 23, 2010, 8:51AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I'm sorry, but anyone who actually bought one of these deserves to have all their money taken away and should also be removed from society.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;steph | sydney - December 23, 2010, 8:54AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The reason the ACCC have made the ruling is so that the gullible people who fell for this can now believe what all their mates have been telling them - without this they would continue to say "They must work - Fev wears one!". And don't blame the sports stars either - I'd wear one if they paid me $1000 a week (and so would most people here I bet).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Don't blame the ACCC - December 23, 2010, 8:53AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Is this one of the funniest stories of the year? &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;It might be except for the fact the ACCC consumes a big river of our money and delivers what, exactly? Lower inflation? Nope. Less deception in retailing? Nope. Better quality products? Definitely not. More true competition? Pfffft, I refer you to the banking, telecommunications and energy oligarchies. So, um, Colonel Samuels, what are we paying you obscene heaps of dosh for again, remind us? Oh, of course, you figured out some junk jewellry worn by boneheads was, oh my goodness, junk jewellry worn by boneheads!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Perk Cartel | Westgarth - December 23, 2010, 8:48AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Wonder if Julian Assange was preparing to expose all this as well ?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;justthinkin - December 23, 2010, 8:43AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Im considering selling special crystals that cleanses the spirit. They cost $500 a pop but I can get away with it because there is no market for it and who can put a price on cleansing your spirit from haneous crimes.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Let me know if you want some guys...... first 5 get 10% discount!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;dumbdumb | brisvegas - December 23, 2010, 8:45AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Of course they are fake! Still there is a greater danger in inviting the government to adjudicate on such trivia than there is in the ripping off of a few gullible bogans. 'Let the buyer beware' is much safer than more government meddling. If we expect the government to protect usfrom every little $30 scam, no matter how obvious, we are telling them we want them running all aspects of our lives.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Ben | Sydney - December 23, 2010, 8:45AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Duh! Of course this is a sham. Why anyone would believe this garbage is beyond me. It's obviously just an ugly wristband.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;percyF | Melbourne - December 23, 2010, 8:56AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;dolbet1 - December 23, 2010, 11:05AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Disband the ACCC? Wow. Late entry for post of the year.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;While the ACCC isn't immune from governmental woes that are across the board, I hardly think the failure of the ACCC to act earlier on a product like powerbands justifies getting rid of it.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;As stated above, we are one of the first countries to take these steps to put the consumer back in their original position. Stuff like this takes time homey, but that in itself isn't a reason to justify what is comparably a well functioning gov't organisation.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Anyway, the time taken to refund the customers should serve them a lesson! Holograms haven't served any purpose in society since RD-D2 and Princess Leia used it to speek of impending doom!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;gurny | Darlo - December 23, 2010, 9:01AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Surely the English cricket captain should feel deeply deeply embarrassed about the fact he wears one of these worthless pieces of junk.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Guy Curtis | Perth - December 23, 2010, 8:59AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;When is the ACCC going to out man made climate change as a scam?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Just have a look at the snow in England and the USA. Some people will believe anything.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Chris | Brisbane - December 23, 2010, 9:12AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;So . . . this clearly shows that the ACCC do not respect people's faith in something, but want evidence to show that something does or does not work.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Suggest the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, Mohammad and Jesus - and any other mythical imaginings that has an interest in getting us to part from our cash - all should watch out for the ACCC.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Jack High | Newcastle - December 23, 2010, 9:12AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Good to see some diligent reporting on scams and fakes of this kind for once, I hope it means there will be more. After all there's no shortage of fake products on the market at any given time, so this would be a very good habit for a paper to get into.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;You could even get to work on your own practice of publishing horoscopes, for example. After all, they're presented as factual, which is blatantly misleading. And people make real, personal, relationship and financial decisions based on them. Because they're treated as serious by a newspaper - and folk respect that authority. And it's being abused.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Just a suggestion.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Fuller | Melbourne - December 23, 2010, 9:13AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I feel for every one of those members of the public who were so shockingly hoodwinked and ripped off by this masterful marketing ploy.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;If you'd like to get your money back, I invite you to join me in and a 100% scientifically proven investment program...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Donald | Brisbane - December 23, 2010, 9:13AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;How heroic of the ACCC to tackle Powerbands! Now that this issue is sorted hopefully they will focus on petrol and the coles and woolworths dualopoly...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Luke | Drummoyne - December 23, 2010, 9:14AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;OK so ACCC have dealt with Power Bands-now are they going to go after the charlatans that sold me my Pet Rock? 35 years now I've been trying to train it to roll over, and nothing, just sits there looking at me-bloody rock!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;matt | northern beaches-syd - December 23, 2010, 9:18AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Hats off to the power balance people. This idea has made someone very very rich.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I wish I had thought of it | Melbourne - December 23, 2010, 9:19AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;A placebo can be just as effective as the real thing. ACCC should have better things to do like investigating gouging at the petrol pump..... Oh silly me that would be real work.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;snah | melb - December 23, 2010, 9:20AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Typical example of how religions and churches get special treatment. People and the ACCC are horrified that companies sell phoney products to fools, but religions do it with the blessing of government and community ... and charitable, tax-free status, as well as unfettered access to brainwash our kids in the education system. If magic rubber bands are such an issue ... let's first get rid of all the hocus-pocus religious dogma and grow up, finally. Sheesh.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;dogmaphobe - December 23, 2010, 9:21AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The Power Bands work very well to identify gullible nongs!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Elsternwick Eric - December 23, 2010, 9:23AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;What's really shocking is the level of ignorance of basic science allowed for high school graduates.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;lorikeet | Sydney - December 23, 2010, 9:23AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;How js this different to homeopathy?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Matt | Sydney - December 23, 2010, 9:24AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I totally agree with Matt. Some people are just too gullible for their own good, and the only way they will learn is to kiss goodbye to their money. Who in their right minds would have believed that a plastic holgram has magical powers?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The other Matt | Randwick - December 23, 2010, 9:28AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Well Durrrrrrrrr, anyone with an IQ higher than 80 would have known this. Am curious to know how much the pros were paid to pass this scam off onto the general public.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Wizard | Ellen Grove - December 23, 2010, 9:31AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;For athletes with peak physical condition the difference between success and failure is all mental. If they think a rubber band is going to improve their performance it has done its job. As for the rest of us, making our wallet lighter would be its only effect.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Stevo | Melbourne - December 23, 2010, 9:32AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Oh gee, you think! Surely if someone talks about "natural energy" it MUST be true - it sounds so convincing and new age and everything. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Use your brains when you shop people! - if there is no scientific proof that something works, it probably doesn't.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Citizen of the World | Melbourne - December 23, 2010, 9:35AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;As a scientist, it'd be such a simple thing for me (or almost anyone) to come up with a sham like this, dress it up with some 'sciencey' sounding words, and flog it to the public for a fortune. I could literally be contemplating my lack of moral character on a large yacht in the Whitsundays right this very moment, beer in hand, surrounded by hotties in a spa. *Sigh* - shame I couldn't live with myself for contributing to the already shambolic levels of anti-science woo-boogey-boogey already out there in the world.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;This is a spectacularly unscientific age in which we live... Science should be a compulsory subject from kindergarten to year 12.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Craig | Sydney - December 23, 2010, 9:36AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Well blow me down.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The ACCC has (finally) had a win.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;More power to them.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Just imagine the high flying low lifes they will nab.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;(Every pun intended!)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;nolongerconfused | Sydney - December 23, 2010, 9:37AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Those Power Bands make me think of those old parody ads for non-existent products they had in Mad Magazine.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Keats | Melbs - December 23, 2010, 9:53AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Powerbands are fake ... no s*** sherlock ... &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Perhaps now they'll switch to the other big scamsters namely the banks and petrol companies ... it's nearly Christmas and what a surprise, petrol prices go up ...&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;CeePee - December 23, 2010, 9:49AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The only thing USELESS HERE is the ACCC.!!!!!!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;fuddy duddy ruddy | parliament house - December 23, 2010, 9:48AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Great news! My missus asked me if there could be anything to these silly wrist-bands ages ago, there were a lot of people in a chat forum she belonged to talking about them. I told her they were a scam as well as the stupid magnetic "therapeutic" products that were around - magnetic fields when strong enough disrupt cellular function. Copper bracelets are also a dumb idea as copper is poisonous and related toa host of disorders including liver and kidney damage and Alzheimer's. At least this stupid hologram idea isn't dangerous, except to your bank balance.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;By the way, the "athletes" who endorsed this stupid product should be chastised every time they raise their heads in future, and any other product they endorse should be viewed with great scepticism. Are they still wearing them? Do they have any comments?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;icurhuman2 | Noraville - December 23, 2010, 9:46AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I wonder what amount of ACCC resources went on this pathetic investigation? They should be embarassed. Hey ACCC, how about getting to the bottom of food prices - dont see farmers getting rich? Or how about investigating how 'green' green electricity really is seeings elec co charges an extra for 'green' power?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Witch_Doctor | Melb - December 23, 2010, 9:46AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;These should not be banned. They are better and cheaper than a bar code to signify stupidity.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;cockatoo - December 23, 2010, 9:57AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Two quick points:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;1. There is undoubtedly a high correlation between those who bought Power Balance bracelets and those who enjoy UFC. There is no other reason why both articles would appear in the same day's news. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;2. The 'penalty' of providing a refund to those who claim they were misled is the biggest waste of time. Statistically, only 10% or so of people ever return anything for a refund. Take into account that people here would need to admit they were, effectively, gullible, the percentage will quickly approach zero. So, the charlatans who sold Power Balance will walk away with their profits in their pockets with no retribution.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;If you think point two is a stretch, consider why companies offer cash back offers rather than price discounts - cash back offers require the customer to act, which they inevitably are too lazy to do.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;But still, gotta love my link between Power Balance, boganism and UFC. Pretty neat, eh?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Public Joe - December 23, 2010, 9:59AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I left Australia due this mentality. There are so many real products, I haven't tried this one but I use similar. I use the highest end of magnetic technology which I now import into Europe.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I have helped so many people and saved so many lives (including my own) with things are are meant to be fake and I assure you they are not placebo.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I read about how it actually works and the info is real, I use the exact same methods which achieve results that doctors and ill people dream of.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Mary - December 23, 2010, 10:01AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;In no way defending the power balance thing, but it feels like a lot of misplaced nastiness is being aimed at the people who've bought 'em. I bet almost all of us have given ourselves permission at one time or another to believe something a bit silly. Cast the first stone if you must. But perhaps the stones would be better cast at the sellers and marketers who've cynically exploited a very human trait, rather than at their prey, or at the organisations who've taken the time to expose the nonsense for what it is.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Nick Carroll - December 23, 2010, 10:12AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;@ Mary - December 23, 2010, 1:01PM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I'm surprised. Europe has far better consumer laws than Australia. When it comes to magic science, you can get away with a lot more in Australia. You can even get a genuine degree for it here! Not that the rest of the world will recognise it.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;KillerPython - December 23, 2010, 10:12AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Who cares! If these things provide comfort to idiots then so be it. There is a plethora of other crap products out there that the ACCC takes no notice of that are actually supposed to be performing a function!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Jaded - December 23, 2010, 10:17AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Power Balance bracelets a sham!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Wow. Thanks for telling us; who would have thought otherwise?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;( Okay, just a few professional footballers and some other equally gullible dullards.)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The ACCC would be better allocating its time and resources tackling those unchallenged masters of false promotion - the cosmetic companies.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Christopher Lynch | Kilsyth - December 23, 2010, 10:19AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Yo, @Mary 1.01pm, are you THE Mary, Mother of ol' JC? Thought so!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;dogmaphobe - December 23, 2010, 10:20AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Gosh when I read this I nearly lost balance and fell off my chair . Fortunately my superstar endorsed mega balance correcter kicked in and saved me from the embarrassment of falling from my perch . I wonder what would happen if I attach it to my old fella ? Dickileaks ?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Castro | Melbourne - December 23, 2010, 10:20AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Thank goodness, hopefully people will go and get their money back and shut down these crooks.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;As for the person who mentioned the magnets - there has been some really good studies done on magnetic insoles and they found, you guessed it, no benifit at all :)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;BecMelb | Melb - December 23, 2010, 10:21AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;How are people going to school for 12 years and coming out less intelligent than they went in? A five year old would be skeptical about this.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;rl | sydney - December 23, 2010, 10:27AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;So the bogan band has been exposed as a fake, I'm shocked. These things make me cringe everytime I see some wanna be wearing one. If your willing to pay 60 bucks for a rubberband with a hologram attached to it, you really are a clown. Hats off to the manufacturers however, best scam I have seen in a long time.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;fitter - December 23, 2010, 10:27AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;No kidding, a sham, eh ?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Who would have thought.....&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Actually, hows about everyone visit their Facebook page and online forums and make the news known!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;JohnB | Melbourne - December 23, 2010, 10:32AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;@Public Joe: your "correlation" between UFC fans and Power Balance is as unfounded as the arguments used to sell the bands. Are you sure you're any less a bogan than either the fans or the PB wearers?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;While we all scoff at this, I'm reminded of the Firepower scam of a few years ago. A truckload of celebrities and supposedly intelligent people did a lot more money than ever got spent on these, on something as equally dodgy in its claims.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;UFC Fan | SYD - December 23, 2010, 10:33AM&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I feel sorry for those people who bought counterfeit power bands. They got ripped off twice.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The government is planning a 5% pay increase across the board for civil servants, and between 14.7% and 14.9% for members of parliament and senators, totalling 1.3 billion baht annually of taxpayers' money. In addition, chiefs of local administrative offices are demanding a 100% pay hike.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;According to Suan Dusit Poll, 86.4% of Thai people disagree with the pay increase for MPs and senators, saying they don't do any work. Instead, they just bicker and make fools of themselves. They don't deserve it!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Bah humbug, I say! Bunch of Scrooges, I say! Where's the Christmas spirit, I ask.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Do politicians and civil servants deserve the pay rise? Of course they do. Just look at their job performance.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;On Dec 30, 2008, the Abhisit government made four promises to the people of Thailand.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;1. To protect and uphold the royal institution. While hundreds of thousands of websites have been banned, the government has many times alleged that movements are afoot to topple the monarchy. But no one has been arrested on that charge. No one.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;2. To achieve national reconciliation based on justice and accepted by all factions. Just look at how the red, the yellow and the government get along so merrily. Why, it's just like Sidney Poitier and Spencer Tracy in Guess Who's Coming to Dinner.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;3. To fix the economy. The economy is picking up, even if the private sector says the government has little to do with it. But if Thaksin Shinawatra can take credit for an already healthy economy, Abhisit Vejjajiva can also take credit for an improving economy.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;4. To develop Thai democracy with good governance and equal justice in ways acceptable to the international community. Just look at how the Constitution Court treated the Democrat Party with one single, just standard in two dissolution cases. Oops, the deadline has passed, throw the cases out _ both of them!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Do politicians and civil servants deserve the pay increase? Of course they do. See how hard they work on behalf of the 67.7 million Thai people.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;In one year, an astounding 10 laws were passed. They have tirelessly, with strength, resolve and conviction, passed almost one law per month. Almost one! How many of us ever pass a law in our entire lives? Shame on us!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Last year, parliament was cancelled 11 times, because not enough MPs showed up for work. Why? Real work is in the streets, not in meeting rooms. They are so exhausted from walking the Earth and helping the people (like Caine in Kung Fu), that the few times a parliamentary meeting is actually held, many of them fall asleep, waking only to scream insults at each other. Why insults? Because they are passionate about work. Passion is good!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Do politicians and civil servants deserve their pay increases? Of course they do. Take a look at their noble and self-sacrificing actions during and after the recent floods in Thailand that led to 203 deaths, affected 1.4 million people in 30 provinces and ravaged 6.3 million rai of paddy fields.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;There were reports of MPs claiming aid given by the private sector and private citizens as their own. Officials were reported to have stolen aid packages for their own use, or in some cases even selling them and making up fake receipts for reimbursement.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;A total of 900 aid packages were given for flood victims in Sakon Nakhon Province. According to the Office of Public Sector Anti-Corruption Commission (PACC), of 150 cases investigated at random, corruption was suspected in 100.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;In Roi Et province, the PACC randomly selected 21 flood aid programmes and detected irregularities in all of them. Local authorities have allegedly fabricated damage reports and issued false recommendations for the use of funds.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;In one case, repairs to a bridge would have only cost 20,000 baht, but the district office put the price at 200,000 baht. 10 times higher than it should have been.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Blame the calculator!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Do politicians and civil servants deserve their pay increases? Of course they do. If they believe they deserve our money so much that they contemplate ransom tactics, how can we, the taxpayers of Thailand, refuse?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Interior Minister Chavarat Charnvirakul has given his approval for a 100% pay increase for local administrative office chiefs.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The chiefs have already threatened to protest in Bangkok if the prime minister doesn't also approve their pay rise. The office in Uttaradit province warns that it will persuade people to vote against the Democrats in the next general election if they don't get the 100% rise that they so richly deserve.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Do politicians and civil servants deserve their pay increases? Of course they do. Just look at how transparent and incorruptible they are.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;According to the PACC, its investigations into more than 400 cases of corruption are stuck with the National Anti-Corruption Commission, with little progress made. So instead, they'll work with the Anti-Money Laundering Office.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;An Abac survey in November conducted in 17 provinces compared people's attitudes towards corruption from before the 2006 military coup with the present day. The results show 90.1% believe that there's been an increase in corruption under the present government.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The 2010 Corruption Perceptions Index ranks Thailand 78th in the world (with first being the least corrupt).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Do politicians and civil servants deserve their pay increases? Of course they do. An MP or a senator lives on only about 3,000 baht per day. That's an abysmal sum unfit for even the sorriest of paupers. My shoelaces cost more than 3,000 baht!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Civil servants' pay is in general quite low, with a starting salary of approximately 7,000 baht for those with a bachelor's degree.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;And while MPs and senators _ who already make comfortable six-figure salaries _ will enjoy an almost 15% pay increase, the minimum wage in the country is likely to be increased by only eight to 17 baht per day.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The minimum wage is currently set at 151 to 206 baht per day, depending on the cost of living in the province a worker lives in.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;So, it won't be anywhere near the 250 baht the prime minister had promised.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Opposing the pay hike, Senator Ruangkrai Leekitwattana said, ''As a senator, I now earn 62,000 baht a month, plus 42,000 baht in monthly allowance. This is a total of 104,000 baht a month. After tax is paid, I am left with about 80,000 baht a month, or 3,000 baht a day. Is that not enough?''&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;There are families that live on 151 baht per day and there are families that live on 3,000 baht per day. The latter are set to get quite a bit more while the former will get a pittance.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Put all of these pieces of information together and it's no wonder we have reporters asking Mr Abhisit how officials and politicians _ especially the corrupt ones, or those who barely do any work _ deserve a pay increase?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;To which the prime minister replies, ''It just had to be done, so deal with the realities,'' and ''if you don't like a certain politician, just don't vote for them.''&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;There you go! Do politicians and civil servants deserve their pay increases? Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;If you haven't found the time to read the transcripts from the Senate economics select committee I suggest you find the time.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Simply because comments from two National Australia Bank [ASX: NAB] executives confirm - that's right, confirm - everything we've written about NAB's secret bailouts in 2008 and 2009.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;You can download the transcript by clicking here.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;We told you the banks need the loans because they faced a massive liquidity and solvency problem.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Our critics said we were talking rubbish. That we had finally lost our marbles.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;They tried to say NAB was just being cheeky. That is was snaffling Federal Reserve loans on the cheap. They said NAB did what any back should do, take the opportunity to borrow low and lend high.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;We countered the argument by explaining how bank borrowing works. How banks have to roll over debt on a regular basis. If there's a problem with rolling the debt over, then, well, it can leave a bank in the lurch.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;We showed you how NAB and Westpac [ASX: WBC] had stood hunched shoulder to hunched shoulder with other troubled banks. Banks such as Royal Bank of Scotland, LloydsTSB, Citibank and ABN Amro.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Believe me, the admission I'll show you in a moment is dynamite. It's an admission straight from the horses' mouths. That the Australian banking system was in dire trouble in late 2008.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Yet where is the Australian mainstream press on this story?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Good question. Nowhere. The mainstream press conspired with the banks and regulators to sweep the secret loans scandal under the carpet. And now they've done the same with the Senate committee statements.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;To be honest, the incompetence of the mainstream press doesn't surprise us. We'd waited a couple of days for the transcripts to be posted to the Hansard website (Hansard is the official record of parliamentary debate).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Until then, like you, we had to rely on what the mainstream press had reported. And what did they focus on? Of course, they focused on the easy stuff… banks' interest margins, bank fees, executive pay levels… the sort of stuff that's easy for the journalism cadets to get their teeth into.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;I mean, the bombshell I'll reveal to you today isn't the sort of thing the seasoned finance hack would touch with a bargepole. Why? Because the seasoned finance hack doesn't want to ruin his chances of an invite to the next banking dinner party.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Or the chance to interview a top banking executive. That's more important to them than uncovering a story that proves the fragility of the banking system.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Although to be fair, even if they did want to report on it, chances are their editor would exercise a veto and cut out all the juicy stuff.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;So, when we read the transcript, guess the first thing your editor did. Go on, guess.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;What's that, you can't? Think harder. Think how annoying we can be… that's right, we fired off another email to our pals at the ASX. I won't reprint it here, instead I'll expand on what I wrote to them.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Remember some of the previous banter we had with the ASX folks. They told us the ASX didn't have the power to request information from a company. Not unless there was an unexplained price movement.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;We told them their version of ASX Rule 3.1 was wrong. The ASX did have the power to request additional information from the banks. Not only did they have the power, but that they should do so immediately.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Funnily enough, two weeks since the US Federal Reserve released the extraordinary details of NAB and Westpac's secret loans and the ASX is still sitting on it.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The ASX continues to conspire with NAB and Westpac to keep the market uninformed about secret loans that prevented two of Australia's banks from going bust. I don't know about you but I'd think that was something the ASX would want an explanation on.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Yes, I've been criticised for my comments on the seriousness of these loans. I've been told on more than four occasions (five I think… maybe six) that Australia's banks were nowhere near going bust.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Well, it turns out your editor was right. But don't just take my word for it. In a moment I'll show you what two top execs at NAB - one of them the top dog - told the Senate committee about the financial condition of the banks in 2008 and 2009.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;But first, Money Morning reader Paul sent us this timely reminder of the spin put out by the banking industries puppet mouthpiece, the Australian Bankers' Association (ABA) in October 2008:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;"The Australian Bankers' Association (ABA) is concerned that recent announcements by the Federal Government to guarantee deposits and wholesale funding are being characterised as the Australian banks having been ‘bailed out'.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;"This is false&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;"No bank deposits have been at risk. Bank deposits are safe - with or without the government's guarantee.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;"Australian banks and the regulatory framework have been successful. Unlike in the UK, Europe and the USA, no taxpayer's money has been allocated to support an Australian bank. Australian banks are very strongly capitalised and continue to hold assets that are of good credit quality."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;It's interesting the ABA would say that, because one year prior to that statement Westpac had grovelled to the US Federal Reserve for USD$1 billion. And one month later NAB would need to raise billions of dollars on the Australian Securities Exchange.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;As NAB director of finance Mark Joiner told the Senate committee:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;"There were two periods during the crisis when our credit rating was on negative watch. If we dropped out of the AA status, then the cost of funds and our access to funds internationally would have been severely altered."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Despite that, the ABA claimed Australia's banks were "strongly capitalised". So "strongly capitalised" that the NAB had to raise $6 billion on the market plus another USD$4.5 billion in secret from the US Fed.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;That doesn't sound very strong to me.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;But right there, in Mr. Joiner's statement is the precise reason why the NAB grabbed the secret loan money from the US Federal Reserve. Not because it was trying to make a few extra bucks, but because the bank was on a negative credit watch.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;The bank execs knew that if the market knew just how tight the bank's balance sheet was, the bank would have lost its AA credit rating. Here are Mr. Joiner's comments to the Senate committee:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;"There were two periods during the crisis when our credit rating was on negative watch. If we dropped out of the AA status, then the cost of funds and our access to funds internationally would have been severely altered. Then our ability to support the economy in the ways we described before—staying open for business and predictable for customers—would also have gone. We would have had to freeze our balance sheet growth and the like. While you probably do not want obscene amounts of profitability out of your banking system, it is good for everybody to have a strong banking system that supports a degree of economic self-determination and flexibility."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;See, without these bailouts Mr. Joiner admits it would have been hard for the bank to stay open for business.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Yet just like the secret loans, you didn't hear about this statement in the mainstream press. They didn't seem to think it was important enough.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;But that wasn't all, NAB CEO Cameron Clyne backed up his finance director. Here's what Mr. Clyne told the committee:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;"As we went to the crisis, we were in a situation where obviously, quite appropriately, investors and prudential regulators were seeking us to hold greater capital. We had to go to the markets. We went to the markets in November 2008 and in July 2009 and raised about $6 billion in equity. We effectively had to absorb that and suffer the drop in return on equity. Had we tried to maintain the same return on equity on the additional $6 billion in capital, prices would have been substantially higher. I do contest the fact that we maintained return on equity. We most certainly did not."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;There you have it. Australia's banks were on the edge. It needed the capital raised on the market, plus US Federal Reserve secret loans in order to make it.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Think about it. Think about the other bailouts the banks received - the first homebuyers grants, the wholesale guarantee, the deposit guarantee… but still it wasn't enough to prop up NAB and Westpac.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;They needed more. These two "strongly capitalised" banks needed the secret Fed loans. Plus top-up loans from the Reserve Bank of Australian (RBA), which itself received USD$53.5 billion from the US Fed.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Yet all the while the ABA yapped that "Australian banks are very strongly capitalised and continue to hold assets that are of good credit quality."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;We now know that to be false. A strongly capitalised banking system doesn't need a raft of government and central bank bailouts. It certainly doesn't need secret loans from a foreign central bank.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;But even now, the regulators are spinning the same yarn. We printed this comment on Wednesday by RBA assistant governor Guy Debelle:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;"The RBA participated in the swap line [with the US Federal Reserve] to help distribute US dollars into this time zone… It did not reflect any issue with the Australian banking system's own need for US dollars. The funds provided under the swap line were cheaper than the extremely wide market price at the time. As a result, Australian based banks availed themselves of this and in a number of cases on-lent the funds to banks in other jurisdictions."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;We thought about his statement some more after we sent it to you. The way Debelle carries on he's making out that America and Australia were playing doctor and nurse to the sick global banking system…&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;That Australia was fine. Our banks were simply being good doctors by helping out others.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;He's making the RBA and the banks out to be the Dr. John Forrest and Matron Grace Scott of the banking world. In reality they're no more than the Dennis Jamieson and Ada Simmons of banking.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;But considering the magnitude of the admission, how did the good Senators' respond?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Following Mr. Clyne's reply, Senator Hurley continued:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;"All right. Let us talk about the most recent rate rise above the RBA cash rate."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;What?! Handed on a plate an admission that Australia's banks were in dire trouble in 2008 and 2009, and the hapless Senator blabs on about the latest interest rate decision.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;That's another reason we didn't take up the offer to put questions to government ministers. If members of the Senate economics can't recognise a bombshell when they see one, there's not much point in us wasting our time giving them more ammo… they'd probably only blow themselves up with it anyway!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;But all this aside, two weeks after the secret loans were revealed, Australia's regulators refuse to inform investors of the banks' deception.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;As far as the RBA, APRA and ASX are concerned it's a non-issue. We can only draw the conclusion they don't want to ask NAB or Westpac any questions. That's because they know the answers will be embarrassing.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Not only that but they're clearly embarrassed at having talked up the stability of the Australian banking system while behind closed doors the banks were secretly receiving multi-billion dollar bailouts.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Based on everything we've read so far, it's clear that Australia's banks were much closer to going bust than even we thought. And that if it wasn't for secret loans from the RBA and the US Federal Reserve the Australian banking system would have collapsed.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;We've got a lot more digging to do on this issue. It wouldn't surprise us if the Aussie banks had further secrets they'd prefer locked away in the closet.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7849432280687603069-1993477933960260409?l=damien-crankyramblings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;FIFA has once again been exposed as the most corrupt, morally depraved, contaminated organization wielding massive global power to determine the fate of countries by being the sole decision maker on which country gets to host the world cup. In the recent fiasco where Russia and Qatar received the most votes securing them the rights to host the 2018 and 2022 World Cup, many including Australia are crying foul over the failure of FIFA to follow its own guidelines in awarding the rights to host the World Cup. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;There has also been endless speculation of massive endemic corruption within the FIFA organization leading up to Vice President Jack Warner whose history of corruption and nepotism precedes him. FIFA's president, Sepp Blatter&amp;nbsp;however, has dismissed some of the claims as “trivial”. In one instance when Jack Warner was investigated by FIFA to have sold some 80,000 World Cup tickets profiting by millions of dollars, he was asked to “pay back” one million to charity. Nothing more came from that although the instruction that FIFA demanded Mr Warner to pay back one million dollars would in anyone’s sound judgement amount to some sort of declaration of Mr. Warner’s guilt, but Mr Warner still holds the position of Vice President of FIFA, next in line to be the most powerful man in football.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;In the voting for the 2022 World Cup, Australia who was promised at least 6-7 votes by various voting members to make it through the first round could only garner one pathetic vote. Australia’s lead bid manager Frank Lowe said Australia lost because “we played fair”. That’s where they went wrong. Australia has always been known as a nation&amp;nbsp;free of corruption&amp;nbsp;and the politics and corruption that FIFA&amp;nbsp;envelopes itself in was obviously too high an obstacle for the “fair” bidders to compete with.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3BJSKHIyVVk/TQHqvbUWB7I/AAAAAAAAAJA/MeMfxw8CKDw/s1600/sepp_blatter_wideweb__470x330,0.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="224" n4="true" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_3BJSKHIyVVk/TQHqvbUWB7I/AAAAAAAAAJA/MeMfxw8CKDw/s320/sepp_blatter_wideweb__470x330%252C0.jpg" width="320" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="border-bottom: medium none; border-left: medium none; border-right: medium none; border-top: medium none; text-align: justify;"&gt;Similarly, for the 2018 World Cup bid, the USA and UK who many agreed had a far more superior bid than Russia lost out to the former Soviet state. When anyone mentions ethical, integral, free of corruption, Russia and Qatar could not be furthest from the mind and unfortunately, this has fuelled even further speculation that there was something serously wrong with the integrity of the whole process.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Look, maybe FIFA did vote according to their own guidelines. Maybe they did want to further the sport by introducing it to the biggest country in the world (land size) in Russia and they wanted to further the sport in the Middle East by giving it to Qatar. Maybe all that is true and they had good intentions which were misconstrued by so many people. Maybe all that is true, however what is also facts is that FIFA has had a history of corruption amongst its ranks and a history of sweeping all the allegations under the carpet. From the former President Jacques Havalanche to Jack Warner to many others in the committee, allegations upon allegations of misconduct have been alleged and FIFA hasn’t done much to bring forth proper independent investigations. For some unknown reason, FIFA President Sep Blatter prefers to sweep all these allegations under the carpet. As the president, Mr Blatter must be involved at a higher level possibly, otherwise why not do a proper investigation? Even if he is completely&amp;nbsp;void of corruption himself, his running of the organization by closing one eye and always brushing off suggestions that FIFA needs to explain the allegations is itself as damaging to the organization as the allegations themselves. If you want to find out more about the endemic corruption in FIFA, check out the BBC program “Panorama” who have been following up on the corruption allegations against FIFA for almost a decade. Just type in “BBC Panorama FIFA” in You Tube and you’re more than like to get the program in two parts.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;In this day and age where even the perception of corruption can bring an organization down, FIFA’s high and mighty attitude that they answer to no one and any allegation of corruption can just be brushed aside is astonishing. In awarding the World Cup, FIFA has the audacity to make the host country agree to&amp;nbsp;many ridiculous conditions like making the income generated by FIFA be tax exempted and because of the power it yields, many countries have no choice but to agree with the conditions for fear that their bid become unsuccessful.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: justify;"&gt;Listen, FIFA needs to clean up its act because football is too big to fail. The stench after the recent voting has unfortunately brought football to its knees and left a very nasty taste to those bidding nations that believe they have been hard done by. Football will be the ultimate loser if FIFA does not clean up its act and the suggestion by some politicians to have a full and independent investigation like a Royal Commission with clear terms of reference to investigate FIFA to its core with the legal powers to launch criminal proceedings against anyone who has broken the law I think is a good suggestion.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7849432280687603069-4798383353820057893?l=damien-crankyramblings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Assange has voluntarily given himself up to UK police and is now sitting in a UK jail awaiting his hearing, fighting for his life to stay off extradition charges to the US where it is more than certain he would face the US government hell bent on building a case based on trumped up charges against him to silence off his Wikileaks organization and stem the tide that have caused them so much irreparable damage. Secret cables released expose the US governments of criticizing other countries presidents, prime ministers, ministers, ambassadors and what not and this has embarassed the US considerably and put a strain in their foreign relations.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;Lets face it, it has never been about endangering anyones lives but more about the embarassment that it has brought the US government. It has exposed their lies in Iraq and Afghanistan and it has exposed their political conversations and provided the public some inside into what the US really thinks about the rest of the world. If anything the cables have reinforced what we knew that the US is the one and only remaining super power and there is no point in being a citizen of any other country as Julian Assange is finding out at the moment. =&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;Politicians don't like openess and scrutiny and Asssange has exposed the US in an unprecedented manner and obviously unsure of a suitable response apart from shooting the messenger by building up trumped up charges and some even calling for him to be executed/ assassinated etc. While there is a low chance that the US government will actually assassinate Assange, you'll never really know with its poor record in the past of abiding its own laws and standards it sets others. What about these irresponsible people who are calling for the head of Assange that really concerns me is that some lunatic, maybe the Israeli Mossad who will actually see some value in following the suggestions made by these influential people and do the deed.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;What Julian Assange has done here is that he has exposed government incompetence, lies and secret political conversations. He has not put anyone's life at risk. When a senior counter intelligence office who had just come back from Afghanistan was asked by Kerry O'Brien on the 7:30 Report whether there was any evidence of lives lost because of the Wikileaks cables, he answered "No", and this coming from a guy who currently works for the intelligence department who went on the program to "shoot down" Julian Assange. When asked what repurcussions there was, he said mainly "political repurcussions". There you have it from a senior intelligence officer who just came back from Afghanistan saying that there is no evidence that the Wikileaks cables were used by the Taliban to hunt and kill people. It gets even better, he praised Wikileaks for concealing some of the names which had the potential to be used by the Taliban for retribution, mainly against locals. From his statement you can actually suggest that Wikileaks are aware that free speech have boundaries and are focused on exposing the government's lies without endangering the lives of innocent people. So much for shooting Wikileaks down!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5548304892475076818" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 267px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3BJSKHIyVVk/TP-J502J8NI/AAAAAAAAAI0/PDt7wurB7m4/s400/0726-Julian-Assange-WikiLeaks.jpg_full_600.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;The only reason Assange is in the situation he is in is because the cables have made the US government "uncomfortable" and "embarassed". The silence by other governments is defeaning to the stage of causing a disgusting feel of nausea. As Assange is an Australian citizen, his plight has the potential to be the Labor party's David Hicks in which the most Australians formed the opinion that the Australian government (at the time John Howard's Liberal party) did not do enough to ensure sufficient representation to one of it's citizens against what people viewed as the harsh treatment he received while in US custody, and the Assange case has the potential to be just like th Hicks case. On the one hand Prime Minister Gillard had already concluded that Assange had broken the law and on the other hand the Attorney General stated that Assange will be accorded full access to consular assistance while in custody. That's going to be difficult providing someone who you believe is guilty full consular assistance.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;What laws have Assange broken? No one seems to know. When the US Assistance Attorney General was asked by Kerry O'Brien tonight, he said he is no law expert. Reading between the lines I would say no laws were broken and the US are finding something on him. Most apolitcical commentators, respected law professors from ANU, Oxford and so forth have said that they can't find that Assange has broken any laws. So far there is no evidence that he took any of the documents in question but he merely published it. There are a host of other more mainstream larger media organizations that did the same, so why target the little guy? To make an example of him? If the US really wanted to prosecute someone, it should be the person who stole the documents but that would be too difficult and Assange would be an easier target to make an example for any future "offenders".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;The charge that finally led to his arrest has got nothing to do with Wikileaks. It's about the rape of a couple of Swedish women where the case when it initially went to court was thrown out by the judge for insufficient evidence. So what happened from then until now? His lawyer said that Assange waited for forty days and forty nights in Sweden to assist police and the prosecutor but they never called him in. What happened after that? Was there political pressure push these trumped up charges, get Assange out of action and finally extradited to the US and charged with some sort of outdate draconian law like the Espionage Act which by the way has never been used since 1918? Sure smells like a rat!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;Assange voluntarily gave himself up to authorities, so for the judge to deny him bail seems somewhat unjust. You can only conlcude that the reason to keep him locked up is to deny him the ability to further publish more embarassing documents but just today his lawyer said that the Wikileaks organization is going strong despite being hacked and abandoned by it's former partners and today was only cable number 301 and they can't wait to publish a further 250,000 cables more. Good on ya I say, can't wait myself to see what further government lies, embarassing truths and incompetence is revealed!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;It's a David vs. Golliath scenario where the sling shot is a $2,000 computer. There is no point being an Australian citizen when under the slightest pressure from the US whom apparently don't really like Australia anyway (according to the leaked cables) you get abandoned by the very government that has a duty of care to ensure your well being. All Assange wants according to his biographer is more transparent government and for them to stop lying to the people like the war on Iraq and you can't really argue with that. When a Danish cartoonist drew unflattering pictures of the prophet Mohammed most governments stood on the side of "freedom of expression" even though that case had the potential to explode into more severe violence that this case could ever be but now when they themselves are exposed, they have strangely gone numb on the subject of "freedom of information".&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7849432280687603069-6073560267067383260?l=damien-crankyramblings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Ignore the growing property bubble, and don’t worry yourself about the potential commodity bubble if Dr. B.S. Bernanke – yes, those are his initials – gets his way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There’s a bigger bubble brewing. This one is in bulbs. But not light bulbs. And not tulip bulbs either…&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because this one’s not in the Netherlands, it’s in China. In fact, talk of this bubble began long ago.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Garlic prices have increased fifteen fold in China in under a year because Chinese investors are said to be attempting to create an artificial shortage and drive up prices."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That was written over twelve months ago. But it’s truer now that it was back then.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How did the Chinese end up buying garlic as a speculative investment?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By the way, I’m serious. This isn’t some kind of elaborate analogy… China has created an asset bubble in garlic!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, first you have to go back a bit as the 2008 planting season was about to begin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Farmers, sick of the increasingly low prices for garlic – about 1 Yuan (AUD$0.15) a kilo – decided to ditch the garlic crops for something that had a more attractive price, like corn or rice, which is also ‘price controlled’ by the government.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To the farmer, this made a commodity like corn, much more attractive, knowing that he would always get the same price for his crop, and not risk out on losing money on garlic plantations that attracted very little return. At one point, the price of garlic fell as low as 0.08 Yuan (AUD$0.012) per kilo.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then along came Swine flu in 2009, and that changed everything.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You see, traditional Chinese medicine believes that garlic has medicinal use, and when Swine flu was invading our vocabulary this started to boost the demand for garlic. But because of the small crops that were planted in 2008, there wasn’t a lot of stuff to go around.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Which is partly to blame for the shortage today.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At first, officials had blamed the shortage on bad weather and farmers hoarding what little supply they had, but as the swine flu scare worsened, the price started to sky rocket.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By the end of 2009 the price for a kilo of garlic was 60% higher than the year before.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In fact, during this period, you’d find many articles like this one, stating how ‘Garlic beats gold as an investment’.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because many food commodities are price controlled in China, garlic, which isn’t, started to attract speculators into the market.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But all this did was drive the price higher.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Right now, China is the world’s largest exporter of garlic. They export more than 1.5 million tonnes each year.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, it greatly depends on who you listen to as to whether the price of garlic is sustainable at these new highs of about 14 Yuan (AUD$2.13) per kilo.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Firstly, you have mostly market speculators taking advantage of farmers without access to a wide range of information. Most farmers are still only receiving 1 – 1.5 Yuan per kilo for garlic, as speculators hoard the supply and release only small quantities to the market at a time, keeping the price elevated and demand high.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That being said, the farmers are still averaging three times more income from garlic this year than last year.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the problem is, even though there’s a shortage of available garlic, many farmers are reluctant to plant bigger crops. The reason? They simply can’t afford the higher price of the seeds, and they don’t want to be left with goods they can’t sell.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then you have Yi Xianrong, a researcher for the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences who has said that the garlic market ‘...is cyclical. Price are short term, and they will fall again before long.’ He estimates that this is just part of a three year cycle and prices will return to 1.5 – 2 Yuan per kilo soon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, one of the biggest problems facing the garlic market isn’t the speculators, but the Chinese government.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many commodities, including agricultural ones are price controlled by the government.&lt;br /&gt;Talk has already begun about the government stepping in and developing a ceiling limit that garlic can attract per kilo.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There’s two reasons here, being the world’s largest exporter of garlic, they don’t want the price to become too high and lose their best customers to Argentina or Spain as they also export large volumes of the stinky stuff.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But more importantly, China’s ever rising consumer price index (CPI) has caused the central bank to want to curb inflation. And any time an abnormal economic number comes out from China global markets get a bit rattled...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When the food component of China’s latest CPI was over 10% higher for the most recent quarter, you can bet that the Chinese government is going to step in and take control of the garlic market before any more of its economic numbers are skewed.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7849432280687603069-4639694016584272978?l=damien-crankyramblings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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There's been a heck of a lot of rubbish written over the years, but the article we read today trumps the lot.What makes it worse is that it wasn't written by some half-baked real estate agent or a rabid property spruiker. No, it was written by someone who many believe is one of the most respected financial journalists in Australia - Robert Gottliebsen.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;As his biography on the Business Spectator website points out:"When it comes to Australian business media, one name is synonymous with trust, integrity and depth of knowledge that surpasses all others, that name is Robert Gottliebsen. Robert Gottliebsen is an Associate editor for Business Spectator and was the original AFR Chanticleer and founder of Business Review Weekly (BRW) Magazine."He's a commentator that many in the mainstream respect. Although based on the article he wrote yesterday, he looks to be past his sell-by date.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;In his &lt;a href="http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/The-Greens-threat-to-house-prices-pd20101119-BBSCS?OpenDocument&amp;amp;src=kgb" target="_blank"&gt;article&lt;/a&gt; Mr. Gottliebsen expressed sympathy for a view put forward by Bendigo and Adelaide Bank chairman Rob Johanson. Mr. Johanson was commenting on proposals by the socialist Green Party to prevent Australia's banks from raising rates any higher than rate moves by the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA).  Mr. Johanson said:"None of us... who can remember trying to buy a house in the 1970s would want to have to go through or go back to that situation for funding."With my wife I bought my first house in 1967 and I remember vividly what it was like in the 1970s. Getting a housing loan from the bank was extremely difficult and as a result house prices were very low because you had to assemble deposits many times current requirements."Mr. Gottliebsen then offers his opinion on what makes the current Australian housing market so special:"It might not be intentional, but in Australia banks have developed a unique system to keep dwelling prices high. They are liberal in granting housing loans, so there is a strong consumer demand for houses.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;"We're dumbfounded, but we'll continue:"By restricting the supply and boosting the demand, banks keep dwelling prices high. If the Greens' proposal were enacted and we had further increases in the cost of funds overseas - which many are predicting - then the current high house price arrangement would be blown apart..."I am delighted that neither the government nor opposition are going down that path."  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;At least we should be grateful for one thing from Mr. Gottliebsen's truly mind-blowingly dumb article, and that's the admission from a mainstream insider that the current housing and banking relationship would be "blown apart" if it wasn't for house price manipulation by the banks and government.But of course, it's too late to worry about that. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;As I wrote earlier this week, the house price bubble has already popped and it'll be blown apart regardless of whether the Greens' policy gets up or not.But quite frankly we find it extraordinary that not only would a banking executive claim it was terrible that people had to "assemble deposits" to buy a house, but it's equally bizarre that a so-called respected journalist would cheer the fact that Aussie banks have "a unique system to keep dwelling prices high."&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;Clearly they prefer how the market is rigged right now. Where those - we'll assume - such as Mr. Johanson and Mr. Gottliebson who bought their homes in the 1960s and 1970s and who have benefited from two decades of loose bank lending and cheap credit feel weak at the knees at the thought of house prices returning back to their pre-boom levels.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;Much better for house prices to remain high, for banks to be "liberal in granting housing loans", and for current homebuyers to be paying 60% or 70% of their income in interest to the banks... banks such as Bendigo and Adelaide Bank.I mean think about it. Think about the difference. In the 1960s or 1970s buyers would have saved a deposit. They would have had money sitting in a bank account accumulating interest.  Importantly, they would have been debt free. And, they would have had savings set aside for a rainy day or to put down as a deposit for a house.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;Today, buyers are bribed and suckered in to the market by banks such as Bendigo and Adelaide Bank thanks to artificially low interest rates and taxpayer funded giveaways such as the first home buyers bribe.And rather than having a healthy bank balance of savings for a rainy day or for a deposit, well, they've already got a house so they don't need a deposit, and with 60% or 70% of their income going on mortgage repayments they don't have a bean left to put towards savings anyway.They're living the life of a pauper, but at least they're doing it in style... if that's possible!But don't worry guys, because apparently in Australia "banks have developed a unique system to keep dwelling prices high."Don't you believe it. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;The market has cracked and the baby-boomers who thought they could profit at the expense of youngsters going deeply into debt will soon find the smile wiped off their faces.Perhaps Gottliebsen's name used to be synonymous with trust, integrity and depth of knowledge, but not after that article. We thinks it's time for Gottliebsen to hang his head in shame and hang up his boots to let someone with a bit of common sense take over. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7849432280687603069-4706843673761856975?l=damien-crankyramblings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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The “Social Contract” as it was first established under Article 153 of the Federal Constitution grant the Malays special rights and privileges irrespective of even if they are millionaires, just as long as your skin is of a certain colour.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The “Social Contract” originated during independence when the “pendatang” or foreigners (mainly Chinese and Indians) were given the special privilege of citizenship in exchange for the Malays being given “special privileges” as the indigenous people of Malaya. The special privileges include “Malay” entitlement in the areas of business and economy, quotas for certain trade licences, education and public scholarships, quotas into public universities, civil service and politics. Then in 1969, when the ruling UMNO party lost it’s parliamentary majority after the elections and hundreds of Malays ran amok and went on a killing spree at the expense of the Chinese, the New Economic Policy (NEP) was establish to further extend the “Social Contract” which was meant to be only temporary and was recommended to be reviewed after the first fifteen years as advised by the “Reid Commission” which prepared the framework for the Constitution. It was due for review in 1972 but after the May 1969 riots and with a state of emergency declared, it passed without incident.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That’s a bit of history and now the hard questions. I know that the “Social Contract” is not meant to be questioned or challenged but what the hell.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Would it not be better for the government to improve funding and cut out corruption in the education sector and improve the overall quality of the education in Malaysia than to reserve certain quotas for Malays irrespective if they’ve earned their place in the institutions of higher learning or not? Would placing quotas based on your skin colour only alienate the other races who will have to work harder, earn more money and fund their own education overseas and after they’re done to never return to Malaysia, choosing to stay on in the country that gave them their higher education as staying on and working there would earn them ten times more than if they returned to their corrupt and racist mother land? The local graduates on the other hand, when they “graduate” are left wanting and can hardly cope with the rigours that face them in the real world. Employers on the other hand are weary of local graduates especially those that made it based on their skin colour.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. Would it not be better to develop social welfare policies that helped the genuine poor irrespective of their skin colour, that is, help the poor rather than help based on your skin colour? If you are Malay, and are very well off why should you be helped over a poor person just because of your skin colour? No proponent of the “social contract” has given a satisfactory answer to this question to date. Undoubtedly the NEP was designed to help the cronies in the ruling UMNO party rather than to genuinely help any poor person Malay or otherwise.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. Would it not be better to lift the uncompetitive protection given to the national carmaker “Proton” after so many years, so they can compete on their own two feet? Get the best brains, best training and best quality process in place to make it a national car that the whole country can be proud of instead of the butt of all the jokes even if this means hiring more of people of other races? Why not give the majority of Malaysian citizens the choice to choose other cars of higher quality without imposing such heavy duties to protect Proton? Why would you protect one company at the expense of the other millions of Malaysians? Why do Malaysians have to suffer driving a substandard car at over inflated prices to protect Proton and its cronies?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. How do you justify an across the board discount for property purchase for Malays when 
