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		<title>Comment on Another One for the “I Warned You” File by Just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it really a private transaction when states like our own fair Florida require you to have auto insurance?  Once this becomes the norm for insurance companies this sort of monitoring will be a de facto requirement of law.  

Before New Yorkers (and others lucky enough to have reasonable transportation alternatives) go nuts, please keep in mind that there is no reasonable alternative to driving in Florida.  So yes, it is as good as a statewide requirement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it really a private transaction when states like our own fair Florida require you to have auto insurance?  Once this becomes the norm for insurance companies this sort of monitoring will be a de facto requirement of law.  </p>
<p>Before New Yorkers (and others lucky enough to have reasonable transportation alternatives) go nuts, please keep in mind that there is no reasonable alternative to driving in Florida.  So yes, it is as good as a statewide requirement.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arresting [Not] Charlton Heston/Chrysler Super Bowl Commercial: It’s Half Time in America [Corrected] by Vic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 22:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't understand what it wants me to DO?  Bail out the REST of faltering America like we did Chrysler?  What?  The fact that one can see what one wants in it means that one does NOT see what Chrysler wants.

In that sense, it's a failure as it is just an empty space.  Perhaps well-done, but empty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand what it wants me to DO?  Bail out the REST of faltering America like we did Chrysler?  What?  The fact that one can see what one wants in it means that one does NOT see what Chrysler wants.</p>
<p>In that sense, it&#8217;s a failure as it is just an empty space.  Perhaps well-done, but empty.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Total Traffic Surveillance Systems by Michael Froomkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Froomkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 17:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AFAIK, all the ones around here are fixed, well-signed, and thus to some extent avoidable; the Canadian ones in the article (and in some US jurisdictions) are mobile.

But, yes, &lt;a href="https://w2.eff.org/Misc/Graphics/nsa_1984.gif" rel="nofollow"&gt;it's a start&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AFAIK, all the ones around here are fixed, well-signed, and thus to some extent avoidable; the Canadian ones in the article (and in some US jurisdictions) are mobile.</p>
<p>But, yes, <a href="https://w2.eff.org/Misc/Graphics/nsa_1984.gif" rel="nofollow">it&#8217;s a start</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arresting [Not] Charlton Heston/Chrysler Super Bowl Commercial: It’s Half Time in America [Corrected] by i-celebes</title>
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		<dc:creator>i-celebes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Commercials...!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Commercials&#8230;!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Total Traffic Surveillance Systems by Just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We already use them right here in S.Fla.  The 878 and 874 have recently installed toll booths with no cash pay option.  If you don't have a sunpass, they just send you a bill in the mail at the end of the month.  This is accomplished with the use of plate reading.  This use of plate reading isn't very 1984ish, but it is a start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We already use them right here in S.Fla.  The 878 and 874 have recently installed toll booths with no cash pay option.  If you don&#8217;t have a sunpass, they just send you a bill in the mail at the end of the month.  This is accomplished with the use of plate reading.  This use of plate reading isn&#8217;t very 1984ish, but it is a start.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arresting [Not] Charlton Heston/Chrysler Super Bowl Commercial: It’s Half Time in America [Corrected] by Just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 15:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not for a second think this was an Obama ad.  Chrysler has been running ads with this look and feel for some time. (See http://youtu.be/jg4dDVpSgnM as an example). The nanosecond the commercial stared I recognized it as unmistakably a Chrysler commercial.  

I also saw very little politics in it.  I saw it as simple advertising designed as a patriotic tear jerker and a play on the movie Gran Torino.  Good ad actually.  I knew I was being played and didn't seem to mind.  Actually made me want to buy an American car (this whole line of commercials seems to have the effect on me). 

It is funny the way you saw this commercial.  This morning on Morning Joe they talked about the ad and some saw it as a republican leaning ad.  It appears that the ad is something of a Rorschach Test.  I may have missed any political undertones (intended or unintended) of the ad since I knew it to be a car commercial from the outset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not for a second think this was an Obama ad.  Chrysler has been running ads with this look and feel for some time. (See <a href="http://youtu.be/jg4dDVpSgnM" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/jg4dDVpSgnM</a> as an example). The nanosecond the commercial stared I recognized it as unmistakably a Chrysler commercial.  </p>
<p>I also saw very little politics in it.  I saw it as simple advertising designed as a patriotic tear jerker and a play on the movie Gran Torino.  Good ad actually.  I knew I was being played and didn&#8217;t seem to mind.  Actually made me want to buy an American car (this whole line of commercials seems to have the effect on me). </p>
<p>It is funny the way you saw this commercial.  This morning on Morning Joe they talked about the ad and some saw it as a republican leaning ad.  It appears that the ad is something of a Rorschach Test.  I may have missed any political undertones (intended or unintended) of the ad since I knew it to be a car commercial from the outset.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arresting [Not] Charlton Heston/Chrysler Super Bowl Commercial: It’s Half Time in America [Corrected] by Gern blanstead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gern blanstead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 09:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Idiots.. That was clint eastwood not charleton heston. Heston has beeb
N dead for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Idiots.. That was clint eastwood not charleton heston. Heston has beeb<br />
N dead for years.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arresting [Not] Charlton Heston/Chrysler Super Bowl Commercial: It’s Half Time in America [Corrected] by Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 06:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be a stroke of genius indeed if Chrysler got a man who had been dead 4 years to do a commercial for them - a miracle like the parting of the Red Sea in Heston's "Ten Commandments." I am not sure how Eastwood would feel to be mistaken for a dead man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be a stroke of genius indeed if Chrysler got a man who had been dead 4 years to do a commercial for them &#8211; a miracle like the parting of the Red Sea in Heston&#8217;s &#8220;Ten Commandments.&#8221; I am not sure how Eastwood would feel to be mistaken for a dead man.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arresting [Not] Charlton Heston/Chrysler Super Bowl Commercial: It’s Half Time in America [Corrected] by Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 05:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely, 100% pro-Obama. Well deserved, and a moving piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely, 100% pro-Obama. Well deserved, and a moving piece.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arresting [Not] Charlton Heston/Chrysler Super Bowl Commercial: It’s Half Time in America [Corrected] by Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 04:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlton Heston died in 2008! That was Clint Eastwood, who isn't a conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlton Heston died in 2008! That was Clint Eastwood, who isn&#8217;t a conservative.</p>
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