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		<title>Comment on Bad, Bad Mortgage Settlement by Vic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And as a practical matter, the legally correct outcome of most foreclosure cases would be "creditor cannot prove the debtor's liability to it."  And the debtor homeowner would now have a debt-free home.  While that may be the legally justified result, it would just rub everyone the wrong way and clearly not be correct in any other sense.  How would we all feel if sub-prime and other borrowers suddenly started winning free houses just because their lenders starting fudging paperwork illegally?

(recognizing as well that some foreclosure actions have been alleged to be against homeowners who actually had no mortgage at all, or one significantly different that as alleged in Court by a supposed creditor.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And as a practical matter, the legally correct outcome of most foreclosure cases would be &#8220;creditor cannot prove the debtor&#8217;s liability to it.&#8221;  And the debtor homeowner would now have a debt-free home.  While that may be the legally justified result, it would just rub everyone the wrong way and clearly not be correct in any other sense.  How would we all feel if sub-prime and other borrowers suddenly started winning free houses just because their lenders starting fudging paperwork illegally?</p>
<p>(recognizing as well that some foreclosure actions have been alleged to be against homeowners who actually had no mortgage at all, or one significantly different that as alleged in Court by a supposed creditor.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bad, Bad Mortgage Settlement by Vic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who are in a position to address the mortgage crisis won't, because it all reflects back on policies that they put into place.  Simply: They don't want it all laid out on the table, bare.  Not in an election year, especially.

But another problem is that it is a complicated scheme AND one that is so blatantly in disregard of both law and common sense that State judges (the ones generally at the heart of dealing with it) either don't understand it, or think that lawyers for homeowners are trying to pull a fast one on them when they explain what happened.  There is neither the time, nor (in most cases) the brain power in the Court system to deal with this.

Plus, most judges feel, and I don't know that they are wrong, that money was lent, so the homeowner is responsible.

The nature of what happened is so mindblowing that I think it just works against people's common sense to accept that what happened, happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who are in a position to address the mortgage crisis won&#8217;t, because it all reflects back on policies that they put into place.  Simply: They don&#8217;t want it all laid out on the table, bare.  Not in an election year, especially.</p>
<p>But another problem is that it is a complicated scheme AND one that is so blatantly in disregard of both law and common sense that State judges (the ones generally at the heart of dealing with it) either don&#8217;t understand it, or think that lawyers for homeowners are trying to pull a fast one on them when they explain what happened.  There is neither the time, nor (in most cases) the brain power in the Court system to deal with this.</p>
<p>Plus, most judges feel, and I don&#8217;t know that they are wrong, that money was lent, so the homeowner is responsible.</p>
<p>The nature of what happened is so mindblowing that I think it just works against people&#8217;s common sense to accept that what happened, happened.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bad, Bad Mortgage Settlement by My thoughts on the mortgage settlement | Thoughts and Rantings</title>
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		<dc:creator>My thoughts on the mortgage settlement | Thoughts and Rantings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Another One for the “I Warned You” File by Just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it really a private transaction when states like our own fair Florida require you to have auto insurance?  Once this becomes the norm for insurance companies this sort of monitoring will be a de facto requirement of law.  

Before New Yorkers (and others lucky enough to have reasonable transportation alternatives) go nuts, please keep in mind that there is no reasonable alternative to driving in Florida.  So yes, it is as good as a statewide requirement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it really a private transaction when states like our own fair Florida require you to have auto insurance?  Once this becomes the norm for insurance companies this sort of monitoring will be a de facto requirement of law.  </p>
<p>Before New Yorkers (and others lucky enough to have reasonable transportation alternatives) go nuts, please keep in mind that there is no reasonable alternative to driving in Florida.  So yes, it is as good as a statewide requirement.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arresting [Not] Charlton Heston/Chrysler Super Bowl Commercial: It’s Half Time in America [Corrected] by Vic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 22:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't understand what it wants me to DO?  Bail out the REST of faltering America like we did Chrysler?  What?  The fact that one can see what one wants in it means that one does NOT see what Chrysler wants.

In that sense, it's a failure as it is just an empty space.  Perhaps well-done, but empty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand what it wants me to DO?  Bail out the REST of faltering America like we did Chrysler?  What?  The fact that one can see what one wants in it means that one does NOT see what Chrysler wants.</p>
<p>In that sense, it&#8217;s a failure as it is just an empty space.  Perhaps well-done, but empty.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Total Traffic Surveillance Systems by Michael Froomkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Froomkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 17:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AFAIK, all the ones around here are fixed, well-signed, and thus to some extent avoidable; the Canadian ones in the article (and in some US jurisdictions) are mobile.

But, yes, &lt;a href="https://w2.eff.org/Misc/Graphics/nsa_1984.gif" rel="nofollow"&gt;it's a start&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AFAIK, all the ones around here are fixed, well-signed, and thus to some extent avoidable; the Canadian ones in the article (and in some US jurisdictions) are mobile.</p>
<p>But, yes, <a href="https://w2.eff.org/Misc/Graphics/nsa_1984.gif" rel="nofollow">it&#8217;s a start</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arresting [Not] Charlton Heston/Chrysler Super Bowl Commercial: It’s Half Time in America [Corrected] by i-celebes</title>
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		<dc:creator>i-celebes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Commercials...!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Commercials&#8230;!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Total Traffic Surveillance Systems by Just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We already use them right here in S.Fla.  The 878 and 874 have recently installed toll booths with no cash pay option.  If you don't have a sunpass, they just send you a bill in the mail at the end of the month.  This is accomplished with the use of plate reading.  This use of plate reading isn't very 1984ish, but it is a start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We already use them right here in S.Fla.  The 878 and 874 have recently installed toll booths with no cash pay option.  If you don&#8217;t have a sunpass, they just send you a bill in the mail at the end of the month.  This is accomplished with the use of plate reading.  This use of plate reading isn&#8217;t very 1984ish, but it is a start.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arresting [Not] Charlton Heston/Chrysler Super Bowl Commercial: It’s Half Time in America [Corrected] by Just me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 15:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not for a second think this was an Obama ad.  Chrysler has been running ads with this look and feel for some time. (See http://youtu.be/jg4dDVpSgnM as an example). The nanosecond the commercial stared I recognized it as unmistakably a Chrysler commercial.  

I also saw very little politics in it.  I saw it as simple advertising designed as a patriotic tear jerker and a play on the movie Gran Torino.  Good ad actually.  I knew I was being played and didn't seem to mind.  Actually made me want to buy an American car (this whole line of commercials seems to have the effect on me). 

It is funny the way you saw this commercial.  This morning on Morning Joe they talked about the ad and some saw it as a republican leaning ad.  It appears that the ad is something of a Rorschach Test.  I may have missed any political undertones (intended or unintended) of the ad since I knew it to be a car commercial from the outset.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not for a second think this was an Obama ad.  Chrysler has been running ads with this look and feel for some time. (See <a href="http://youtu.be/jg4dDVpSgnM" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/jg4dDVpSgnM</a> as an example). The nanosecond the commercial stared I recognized it as unmistakably a Chrysler commercial.  </p>
<p>I also saw very little politics in it.  I saw it as simple advertising designed as a patriotic tear jerker and a play on the movie Gran Torino.  Good ad actually.  I knew I was being played and didn&#8217;t seem to mind.  Actually made me want to buy an American car (this whole line of commercials seems to have the effect on me). </p>
<p>It is funny the way you saw this commercial.  This morning on Morning Joe they talked about the ad and some saw it as a republican leaning ad.  It appears that the ad is something of a Rorschach Test.  I may have missed any political undertones (intended or unintended) of the ad since I knew it to be a car commercial from the outset.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arresting [Not] Charlton Heston/Chrysler Super Bowl Commercial: It’s Half Time in America [Corrected] by Gern blanstead</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gern blanstead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 09:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Idiots.. That was clint eastwood not charleton heston. Heston has beeb
N dead for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Idiots.. That was clint eastwood not charleton heston. Heston has beeb<br />
N dead for years.</p>
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