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It has gained some fantastic &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.debunking-christianity.com/2020/12/first-blurb-for-my-last-book.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;blurbs!&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: inherit; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: inherit; font-size: x-small;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: inherit; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;With this anthology I have written, co-written, edited, and co-edited enough books on enough topics that, taken as a whole, they can be compared to a small encyclopedia, addressing all of the crucially important issues Christians must face when honestly considering the truth of their faith. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: inherit; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: inherit; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;I’m very grateful for the authors who have written chapters for my books, along with those who wrote the forewords and blurbs. I’m also very grateful to my readers for their encouragement over the years, and their recommendations of my books to others.  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: inherit; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: inherit; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;There are even translations of my books. The one on the left is an Arabic translation of &lt;i&gt;The Case against Miracles&lt;/i&gt;--translated as &lt;i&gt;Essays on Miracles. &lt;/i&gt;Arabic is a Semitic language (related to Hebrew).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: inherit; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt; The other one is a Persian translation of &lt;i&gt;Why I Became an Atheist&lt;/i&gt;, which is an Indo-European language (related to English and French). A Korean translation of a third book is pictured in the comments.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: inherit; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: inherit; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhVtLQCXsssDbhzNKm-hYffwkJaCsggpIA-b19l8TAffH27PdDHzRr1wfh3d-SU7uaGFCcEthBIafUJr1NWyl_FP5kIrpdlITGaxl1eqfN3rBwMlZpcmruZJAYYU9c16sSoHWe-F7x5JIBWikfZnSV23ARzpp1CZO0zL2GvvYhzTtpVD_A-VcANRQ/s472/Screenshot%202026-08-26%20101150.png&quot; style=&quot;clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;&quot;&gt;&lt;img border=&quot;0&quot; data-original-height=&quot;472&quot; data-original-width=&quot;305&quot; height=&quot;320&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhVtLQCXsssDbhzNKm-hYffwkJaCsggpIA-b19l8TAffH27PdDHzRr1wfh3d-SU7uaGFCcEthBIafUJr1NWyl_FP5kIrpdlITGaxl1eqfN3rBwMlZpcmruZJAYYU9c16sSoHWe-F7x5JIBWikfZnSV23ARzpp1CZO0zL2GvvYhzTtpVD_A-VcANRQ/w207-h320/Screenshot%202026-08-26%20101150.png&quot; width=&quot;207&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh2OiVzFf4JyXeaa0KcBGdgNRmP-wghEjZkBeDeDQvvFIRFQtmiFa4PkPHXFaTMSeRdvtIGuU8G43-cfCwmGWi-F04JH7xzZqDIDLudqWyzRObNzTYnijVUDrYe3tTmYaISuAZ_pouUS9f5r7N1gtzH9ZM3qLf0_9NGUUSXTPcF4XxBjBpxYQW35A/s1548/Screenshot_20260825_120324_Gallery.jpg&quot; style=&quot;clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;&quot;&gt;&lt;img border=&quot;0&quot; data-original-height=&quot;1548&quot; data-original-width=&quot;1080&quot; height=&quot;320&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh2OiVzFf4JyXeaa0KcBGdgNRmP-wghEjZkBeDeDQvvFIRFQtmiFa4PkPHXFaTMSeRdvtIGuU8G43-cfCwmGWi-F04JH7xzZqDIDLudqWyzRObNzTYnijVUDrYe3tTmYaISuAZ_pouUS9f5r7N1gtzH9ZM3qLf0_9NGUUSXTPcF4XxBjBpxYQW35A/w223-h320/Screenshot_20260825_120324_Gallery.jpg&quot; width=&quot;223&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh2OiVzFf4JyXeaa0KcBGdgNRmP-wghEjZkBeDeDQvvFIRFQtmiFa4PkPHXFaTMSeRdvtIGuU8G43-cfCwmGWi-F04JH7xzZqDIDLudqWyzRObNzTYnijVUDrYe3tTmYaISuAZ_pouUS9f5r7N1gtzH9ZM3qLf0_9NGUUSXTPcF4XxBjBpxYQW35A/s1548/Screenshot_20260825_120324_Gallery.jpg&quot; style=&quot;clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhK9NHh0s_5Ly3UQvMbx4dHv65DVVBbXkr_b0OwwwMDvXly_k_rXuBa-3Ce6wXaDBD9vlbi3rZcdnacA8F03QzKekyiC4uhqCly5GPlpnOuXIEAjKQc4JZ2uV_u9QsL8Iya_tghinXaBOjwjxatIVMbmiEQ00yVnV6oJc9RrEJyrL8bhBorfDqwZg/s1611/Screenshot_20260825_120655_Gallery.jpg&quot; style=&quot;clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: inherit; font-size: x-large;&quot;&gt; The first edition of &lt;i&gt;God and Horrendous Suffering&lt;/i&gt; was published in 2021 by the &lt;i&gt;Global Center for Religious Research&lt;/i&gt; (GCRR), which was headed up by Darren Slade. We were finalizing  a 2nd edition when he abruptly put a halt to it, defaulting on his contracts with his authors, and releasing them back to us.  [If you&amp;#39;re a published author with GRCC you too are released from your book contract!] &lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.debunking-christianity.com/2022/12/day-two-of-thirteen-days-of-solstice.html#more&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;&lt;script type=&quot;text/javascript&quot;&gt;&lt;!--
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&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &lt;span style=&quot;color: #2b00fe;&quot;&gt;Your book, &lt;a href=&quot;https://amzn.to/4ccxia7&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Why I Became an Atheist&lt;/a&gt;, did that, specifically the way you systematically walk through your deconstruction without making it sound easy or painless. Most conversion stories or deconversion stories feel dramatic. Yours felt like watching someone do the hard work of thinking honestly, and that honesty made it harder to dismiss. &lt;a href=&quot;https://amzn.to/3UiNkJu&quot;target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;The Outsider Test for Faith&lt;/a&gt; is a framework I kept coming back to because it asks a question that&#39;s simple to state but brutal to sit with.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #2b00fe;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; A few of us are doing a reading challenge right now, tracking our most unexpected reads of the year. Yours landed on my list because it wasn&#39;t just an argument against belief. It was a case study in intellectual integrity, and I think that&#39;s rare in this genre.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; I&#39;m not asking for anything. But I caught the preacher&#39;s precision behind the atheist&#39;s critique. Most readers will take the arguments and move on. I think you wrote it so they&#39;d have to test their own assumptions the way you tested yours.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #2b00fe;&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgqemxyPbZk_TNw033OM4mxR0yYZNA0bMUQkEmSvZ_WT7DCNPy4RwucfXcxEziHCHJo6F74Rf_or_rrsOHM7H4RC4yjp9-dq_4XGJ3wR_GFSTeeEbi_B6DFm7dluLK67QcFKv6zVlNyTq-ZqV89VTafeLStKkBU43KdOSSh8-CibTrssA_WWAJrfw/s618/Screenshot%202026-08-26%20082046.png&quot; style=&quot;clear: left; display: block; float: left; padding: 1em 0px; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;img alt=&quot;&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; data-original-height=&quot;618&quot; data-original-width=&quot;427&quot; height=&quot;320&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgqemxyPbZk_TNw033OM4mxR0yYZNA0bMUQkEmSvZ_WT7DCNPy4RwucfXcxEziHCHJo6F74Rf_or_rrsOHM7H4RC4yjp9-dq_4XGJ3wR_GFSTeeEbi_B6DFm7dluLK67QcFKv6zVlNyTq-ZqV89VTafeLStKkBU43KdOSSh8-CibTrssA_WWAJrfw/s320/Screenshot%202026-08-26%20082046.png&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #2b00fe;&quot;&gt;Did you intentionally write the book as a form of intellectual autobiography rather than just a polemic, and did that structure emerge from your own process of leaving?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: #2b00fe;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;When you designed &lt;a href=&quot;https://amzn.to/4goxV1q&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;The Outsider Test for Faith&lt;/a&gt;, were you more focused on exposing cognitive bias in believers, or were you also testing your own former beliefs against the same standard?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgqemxyPbZk_TNw033OM4mxR0yYZNA0bMUQkEmSvZ_WT7DCNPy4RwucfXcxEziHCHJo6F74Rf_or_rrsOHM7H4RC4yjp9-dq_4XGJ3wR_GFSTeeEbi_B6DFm7dluLK67QcFKv6zVlNyTq-ZqV89VTafeLStKkBU43KdOSSh8-CibTrssA_WWAJrfw/s618/Screenshot%202026-08-26%20082046.png&quot; style=&quot;clear: left; display: block; float: left; padding: 1em 0px; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

I responded as follows:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;Thanks for the kind words, _____. It’s always rewarding to hear that the intellectual weight of my books resonates with readers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;To your questions: Yes, the autobiographical structure was essential because I needed to demonstrate the actual process of thinking honestly, not just the finished arguments. Regarding the &lt;i&gt;Outsider Test&lt;/i&gt;, it is a mirror I judged my beliefs against. I had to apply the same rigorous standard to my own former beliefs as I expected from others; if the test didn&#39;t apply to me first, it wouldn&#39;t have been a fair test at all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;John W. Loftus&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;&lt;script type=&quot;text/javascript&quot;&gt;&lt;!--
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So today I want to offer a few general and applicable responses.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; 
  
&lt;b&gt;First off, this doesn&amp;#39;t mean anyone else should become a Catholic just because Schmid did.&lt;/b&gt; The main reason is due to the brain&amp;#39;s incapacity to come to correct conclusions when there are &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;between 150-180 known cognitive biases&lt;/a&gt;, any one of which can affect our cogitations concerning the case for  Catholicism. In other words, no one thinks with impeccably pure logic like we might imagine from Star Treck&amp;#39;s character Spock. There is always room for doubt. Here&amp;#39;s &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.debunking-christianity.com/2012/06/why-doubt-is-adult-attitude-and-how.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Why Doubt Is The Adult Attitude And How Science Helps Us.&lt;/a&gt; Science is going to answer our most important questions if they can be answered at all. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
  
&lt;b&gt;Secondly, let&amp;#39;s look at some statistics:&lt;/b&gt; In 2009 David Chalmers of the Australian National University and David Bourget of London University, surveyed professional philosophers and others on their philosophical views. The survey was taken by 3226 respondents, including 1803 philosophy faculty members and/or PhDs and 829 philosophy graduate students, &lt;a href=&quot;https://philarchive.org/archive/BOUPOP-3&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;which can be seen here&lt;/a&gt;. The question that interests me is what philosophers think about God.&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;God: theism or atheism?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;
Accept or lean toward: atheism  678 / 931 (72.8%)&lt;br&gt;
Accept or lean toward: theism  136 / 931 (14.6%)&lt;br&gt;
Other  117 / 931 (12.5%)&lt;/blockquote&gt;If we add in the &amp;quot;other&amp;quot; category, which would include New Age beliefs, Deism, and Agnosticism, then upwards to 86% of them are not theists. Among those philosophers who are theists I dare say most of them are probably not card carrying Evangelicals, since this includes Catholics, Muslims, Jews and those who merely accept the philosopher&amp;#39;s god. &lt;br&gt;
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So much for William Lane Craig&amp;#39;s claim that there is a renaissance of Christian philosophy in today&amp;#39;s world. *cough* Anthony Gottlieb concludes that among specialists in the philosophy of religion&lt;i&gt;--as opposed to Political Philosophy, Social Philosophy, Philosophy of Mind, Philosophy of Science and the Philosophy of Language--&lt;/i&gt;&amp;quot;Philosophy of religion specialists are more likely to favor theism (72:19).&amp;quot; &lt;a href=&quot;https://philpapers.org/bbs/thread.pl?tId=426&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;. 
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I think David Hume didn&amp;#39;t revise or edit his chapter after knowing about Bayes is because he already used the structure of Bayes in his chapter! Plus, in his philosophical proof he already argued against the possibility of human testimony to overcome the laws of nature. After that destruction what else did Hume need to say?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; 
  
  
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But what&#39;s often neglected is that Hume offered four supplemental arguments that discussed the &quot;likelihood&quot; and &quot;false positive rate&quot; of miracles in Part 2 of Chapter 10 of the &lt;i&gt;Enquiry&lt;/i&gt;. This part of Hume&#39;s chapter comes after he presented his general disproof of miracles in Part 1. I think Hume didn&#39;t revise his chapter after learning about Bayes, because he had already used the structure of Bayes in his chapter! In the first part he presented his philosophical disproof against the abject improbability of human testimony for miracles that must overcome the laws of nature. This burden is made heavier when considering uncorroborated miracle claims for which we cannot interogate the alleged people mentioned in the biblical texts. After that destruction what else did Hume need to say in Part 2? But he had more to say.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  
Here&#39;s an excerpt from my long chapter on miracles in &lt;i&gt;Why I Became an Atheist&lt;/i&gt; (2012), titled, &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.academia.edu/171291937/Humes_Four_Suplemental_Arguments_Against_Miracles&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Hume&#39;s Four Suplemental Arguments Against Miracles&lt;/a&gt;. My focus is on Michael Licona&#39;s arguments against Hume. I think I could do a better job of this if you combined other chapters I mentioned. If you want to read the whole chapter with endnotes you&#39;ll have to get the book. What? You haven&#39;t done so yet? ;-) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;&lt;script type=&quot;text/javascript&quot;&gt;&lt;!--
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&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 24px;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;The Bayesian Formula:&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 24px;&quot;&gt;Bayes’ theorem calculates the probability of a hypothesis (H) being true given certain evidence (E).&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 24px;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;The Components:&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 24px;&quot;&gt;Evaluating miracles using this theorem involves three key factors: &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 24px;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;[1] Prior Probability P(M): &lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 24px;&quot;&gt;Your initial assessment of the likelihood of a miracle occurring before considering the specific evidence. Skeptics often argue this is near zero, while proponents argue it is higher based on the existence of an active, intervening Creator. [1, 3, 4]&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 24px;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Likelihood P(T|M): &lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 24px;&quot;&gt;The probability that we would have the existing historical records and testimony if the miracle actually happened. [1]&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 24px;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;False Positive Rate \(P(T\vert{}\sim M)\):&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 24px;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 24px;&quot;&gt;The probability of getting that same testimony or record even if the miracle did not happen (e.g., due to human error, legend, or deception). [1]&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 24px;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;The Debate in Scholarship:&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 24px;&quot;&gt;While the method itself is logically sound, applying it to the Bible sparks intense scholarly disagreement: [1, 2]&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 24px;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;The Skeptic&amp;#39;s View:&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 24px;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Philosopher David Hume argued that the prior probability of a miracle is infinitely low because it violates established laws of nature. Consequently, the likelihood of human testimony being mistaken will almost always outweigh the probability of the miracle itself, making it irrational to believe.&lt;/b&gt; [*See Below]&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.debunking-christianity.com/2026/08/ai-on-bayes-theorem-stressing-david.html#more&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;&lt;script type=&quot;text/javascript&quot;&gt;&lt;!--
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&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Oh please, give me a break: It&amp;#39;s &lt;i&gt;ridiculous&lt;/i&gt; bragging! &lt;/b&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjx_DlsWJoOxXThhb2qmYurqbrRZRKuVtC1DT47nPbux00-cMlNbqW3mkwy4oBIA1l9KSBdLd4Ztg1SXYkDK8ZHkxQa-NTNFfaigBirKNHqHE8u6sjO3a_EiXZXloSSGKu7vpmwhp1GKxF1wFrm9MSKUrUDdi7RAH92xR3Lckwp63j-wHOFm3dm7g/s725/Meyer,%20Remarque%E2%80%99s%20book%20has%20stood%20as%20an%20immovable%20boulder.jpg&quot; style=&quot;clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times;&quot;&gt;&lt;img border=&quot;0&quot; data-original-height=&quot;725&quot; data-original-width=&quot;500&quot; height=&quot;400&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjx_DlsWJoOxXThhb2qmYurqbrRZRKuVtC1DT47nPbux00-cMlNbqW3mkwy4oBIA1l9KSBdLd4Ztg1SXYkDK8ZHkxQa-NTNFfaigBirKNHqHE8u6sjO3a_EiXZXloSSGKu7vpmwhp1GKxF1wFrm9MSKUrUDdi7RAH92xR3Lckwp63j-wHOFm3dm7g/w276-h400/Meyer,%20Remarque%E2%80%99s%20book%20has%20stood%20as%20an%20immovable%20boulder.jpg&quot; width=&quot;276&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times;&quot;&gt;For a long time I have suggested that people should carefully study—and absorb the truth about—World War I. In John Loftus’ Second Edition of &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.amazon.com/God-Horrendous-Suffering-2nd-Ed/dp/1456677756/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;amp;dib_tag=se&amp;amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Q-hrvlVii-TrhV7LNXcoYa7G-nFGH_qsPb7oFpml6s3jSnF2NgQCMCJoMCqnh2-K.qvoh1pwI8pACLhhqdoJfJ9DYPH4YcuxaJBx3HN8SPpc&amp;amp;qid=1785453798&amp;amp;sr=1-1&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;God and Horrendous Suffering&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, he included my essay, &lt;i&gt;The Problem of World War I&lt;/i&gt;, in which I present the case that this brutal conflict should have put an end to belief in a good, caring, all-powerful god. World War II reenforces this conclusion, as Darrell Ray has pointed out in his book, &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0970950519/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;tag=tentoughpro0e-20&amp;amp;creative=9325&amp;amp;linkCode=as2&amp;amp;creativeASIN=0970950519&amp;amp;linkId=459b7247426fb73de4a82f53e472cddb&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;The God Virus: How Religion Infects Our Lives and Cultures&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times;&quot;&gt;“It took two world wars for Europeans to realize that the prayers of millions of people were not answered. It doesn’t take much intelligence to see that god isn’t working too well when 92 million people died in two world wars, or to see the complicity and cooperation of the Pope, Lutheran clergy and Christians with Hitler during WWII.” (page 75)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.debunking-christianity.com/2026/07/hes-got-whole-world-in-his-hands.html#more&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;&lt;script type=&quot;text/javascript&quot;&gt;&lt;!--
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&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;text-indent: 0.5in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;&quot;&gt;Philosopher Michael P.
Levine writes a bit eccentrically about miracles but he also has some incisive
things to say. For people who think David Hume’s arguments against miracles are
obsolete and should be ignored, Levine says, “The &lt;i&gt;locus classicus&lt;/i&gt; for
modern and contemporary philosophical discussion of miracles is Chapter X (‘&lt;i&gt;Of
Miracles&lt;/i&gt;’) of David Hume’s &lt;i&gt;Enquiries.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#_edn1&quot; name=&quot;_ednref1&quot; style=&quot;mso-endnote-id: edn1;&quot; title=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoEndnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-special-character: footnote;&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoEndnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: Calibri; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-theme-font: minor-latin;&quot;&gt;[1]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;i&gt;
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: italic;&quot;&gt;[“&lt;i&gt;Locus classicus&lt;/i&gt; is a
Latin term used in literature, law, and other academic fields. It refers to the
original or most authoritative passage or source for a particular word, phrase,
concept, or idea. In other words, it is the classical or standard example that
is most often cited as the definitive reference for a subject.”] So he proceeds
to analyze what Hume wrote. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;text-indent: 0.5in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;&quot;&gt;He tells us “there are
various versions of Bayes’s theorem,” not just one, depending on the hypothesis
to be resolved. With miracles they are many. He highlights &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;&quot;&gt;John Earman’s
formulation: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%;&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;text-indent: 0.5in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;&quot;&gt;“The reader is invited to think of &lt;i&gt;H&lt;/i&gt;
as a hypothesis at issue; &lt;i&gt;K&lt;/i&gt; as the background knowledge; and &lt;i&gt;E&lt;/i&gt; as
the additional evidence. Pr(&lt;i&gt;H/E&amp;amp;K&lt;/i&gt;) is called the posterior
probability of &lt;i&gt;H&lt;/i&gt;. [i.e., the &lt;u&gt;Pr&lt;/u&gt;obability of the &lt;u&gt;H&lt;/u&gt;ypothesis
divided by the background &lt;u&gt;K&lt;/u&gt;nowledge]. Whereas Pr(&lt;i&gt;H/K&lt;/i&gt;) and Pr(&lt;i&gt;E/H&amp;amp;K&lt;/i&gt;)
are respectively called the prior probability of &lt;i&gt;H&lt;/i&gt; and the (posterior)
likelihood of &lt;i&gt;E&lt;/i&gt;.”&lt;a href=&quot;#_edn2&quot; name=&quot;_ednref2&quot; style=&quot;mso-endnote-id: edn2;&quot; title=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoEndnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-special-character: footnote;&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoEndnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;&quot;&gt;[2]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;text-indent: 0.5in;&quot;&gt;Labeling this as “Hume’s argument” Levine
adds:&lt;span style=&quot;mso-spacerun: yes;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: 0.5in;&quot;&gt;On the interpretation of Hume’s
argument given above, a Bayesian analysis sheds no light whatsoever on the
structure or substance of the argument, and can do nothing by way of either
supporting or refuting the argument. Indeed, any Bayesian analysis of the
question of justified belief in miracles must be otiose until the difficult and
essential questions concerning “evidence” in relation to an allegedly
miraculous occurrence are resolved - at which point any Bayesian analysis will
add little except the technical complexity of a formal apparatus that may or
may not “clarify” the structure of Hume’s argument. The balancing of
probabilities is of no use until it is decided what goes into the balance -
that is, what constitutes the evidence.&lt;a href=&quot;#_edn3&quot; name=&quot;_ednref3&quot; style=&quot;mso-endnote-id: edn3;&quot; title=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoEndnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-special-character: footnote;&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoEndnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;&quot;&gt;[3]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;text-indent: 0.5in;&quot;&gt;&lt;b style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;&quot;&gt;Let&amp;#39;s Highlight the Evidence
(E).&lt;/b&gt; This is the crucial factor regardless of one’s background knowledge
(K) or priors. Regarding a Christian Bayesian analysis, Levine comments, “The
idea that the Bible provides historically acceptable grounds for believing in
miracles reflects a wish-fulfilling rendering of what constitutes evidence.”&lt;a href=&quot;#_edn4&quot; name=&quot;_ednref4&quot; style=&quot;mso-endnote-id: edn4;&quot; title=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoEndnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-special-character: footnote;&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoEndnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 12pt; line-height: 115%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;&quot;&gt;[4]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; Everything
hangs on the quantity and the quality of the evidence. It’s the indispensable input, the essential element, and the non-negotiable necessity. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.debunking-christianity.com/2026/07/bayes-theorem-and-miracles-three-cases.html#more&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;&lt;script type=&quot;text/javascript&quot;&gt;&lt;!--
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&lt;blockquote&gt;The mere fact of the resurrection cannot be used to establish the truth that there is a God. For the resurrection cannot even be a miracle unless there already is a God. . . . The real problem for the Christian apologist is to ﬁnd some way apart from the mere facts themselves to establish the justiﬁability of interpreting the facts in a theistic way. . . . No fact, event, or series thereof within an overall framework which derives all of its meaning from the framework can be determinative of the framework which bestows that meaning on it. For no fact or set of facts can of and by themselves, apart from any meaning or interpretation given to them, establish which of the alternative viewpoints should be taken on the fact(s). [Norman Geisler, &lt;i&gt;Christian Apologetics&lt;/i&gt; (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker House, 1976), see pp. 94–98.]&lt;/blockquote&gt;Geisler&amp;#39;s perspective stands in stark contrast to other ways of knowing whether Jesus arose from the dead. Geisler was endorsing Classical apologetics. Evidentialist apologetics by contrast, basically rejects it, since it seeks first and foremost the evidence.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;  
  
  
&lt;b&gt;--I. Howard Marshal.&lt;/b&gt; According to Christian scholar Marshall in his book, &lt;i&gt;I Believe in the Historical Jesus &lt;/i&gt;(Eerdmans, 1977) “many historians—the great majority in fact—would say that miracles fall outside their orbit as historians. For to accept the miraculous as a possibility in history is to admit an irrational element which cannot be included under the ordinary laws of history. The result is that the historian believes himself justified in writing a ‘history’ of Jesus in which the miraculous and supernatural do not appear in historical statements. The ‘historical’ Jesus is an ordinary man. To some historians he is that and no more. To others, however, the possibility is open that he was more than an ordinary man—but this possibility lies beyond the reach of historical study as such.” (p. 59). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;   
  
&lt;b&gt;--William Lane Craig&lt;/b&gt; is on record as saying: &lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;J.L. Mackie&amp;#39;s critique of miracles is particularly shockingly superficial.&amp;quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Craig said this in his paper, &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.bethinking.org/god/the-resurrection-of-theism&quot;&gt;The Resurrection of Theism&lt;/a&gt;, Endnote # 19. Craig was commenting on the late J.L. Mackie&amp;#39;s book, &lt;a href=&quot;https://archive.org/details/j.-l.-mackie-the-miracle-of-theism-arguments-for-and-against-the-existence-of-god/page/n7/mode/2up&quot;&gt;The Miracle of Theism&lt;/a&gt;. Craig was prompted to say this while reading Alvin Plantinga’s critique of it titled, &lt;a href=&quot;https://andrewmbailey.com/ap/Theism_Miracle.pdf&quot;&gt;Is Theism Really a Miracle?&lt;/a&gt;, in &lt;i&gt;Faith and Philosophy&lt;/i&gt;, [April 1986]. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
  
&lt;b&gt;--J.L. Mackie&lt;/b&gt; by contrast argued against the belief in miracles. Is he really &amp;quot;shockingly superficial&amp;quot;? Let me quote from him since it&amp;#39;s so good: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.debunking-christianity.com/2026/07/on-miracles-and-importance-of-contexts.html#more&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;&lt;script type=&quot;text/javascript&quot;&gt;&lt;!--
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&lt;div&gt;&lt;b&gt;Religion seems to benefit the most from this reality&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEixvPjF0MpGM9MkAUxAvIm8qTgkWynP20V12o7Xc0NZckVFhpGtFjAKvapm0bUlVTKQ6k9Oxdr7PSYWNdViRUVbkFJq6bY4JX9LUcgQdc7emdyB6PyoOclfdrjwYtGejreDnyUvJLot4LybWgqL158UfPVW5ps2LXQemzLEEbCI6-7mTucsiaFQ3w&quot; style=&quot;clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;&quot;&gt;&lt;img alt=&quot;&quot; data-original-height=&quot;697&quot; data-original-width=&quot;500&quot; height=&quot;400&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEixvPjF0MpGM9MkAUxAvIm8qTgkWynP20V12o7Xc0NZckVFhpGtFjAKvapm0bUlVTKQ6k9Oxdr7PSYWNdViRUVbkFJq6bY4JX9LUcgQdc7emdyB6PyoOclfdrjwYtGejreDnyUvJLot4LybWgqL158UfPVW5ps2LXQemzLEEbCI6-7mTucsiaFQ3w=w287-h400&quot; width=&quot;287&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The majority of humans seem unaware of their ignorance, and simply want to thrive as best they can in the world, have a good time, be entertained. But then there are some who are also born with curiosity. They want to know and learn, to find out as much as they can about our world and the cosmos. Religions in general are nervous about curious people. I’ve mentioned quite a few times what an elderly Catholic woman once told me—and it is worth repeating: “The priests told us never to think about what we learned in catechism.&amp;quot;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.debunking-christianity.com/2026/07/every-human-is-born-into-vast-bubble-of.html#more&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;&lt;script type=&quot;text/javascript&quot;&gt;&lt;!--
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As an author I&amp;#39;ve published a great many blog posts, papers, and books about a whole lot of issues; a small encyclopedia of them, if you will. The more that one publishes the more of a context informed readers have for understanding an author on a separate issue. So let&amp;#39;s consider the relevant books of David Hume, apart from his &lt;i&gt;History of England&lt;/i&gt; which was a massively influential six-volume historical work that thrust him into fame. Let&amp;#39;s see if there&amp;#39;s a reason he didn&amp;#39;t respond to Bayes Theorem. (In what follows A.I. insisted that I let her help a bit.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
  
&lt;b&gt;A Treatise of Human Nature&lt;/b&gt; was published in London in multiple volumes between 1739 and 1740. Together it was Hume’s most comprehensive philosophical work. It breaks down the origins of human knowledge, ideas, cause and effect, personal identity, the passions, and morality. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
  
&lt;b&gt;An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding&lt;/b&gt; (1748). A more accessible, revised version of the first book of the &lt;i&gt;Treatise&lt;/i&gt;. It specifically addresses skepticism, our understanding of cause and effect, free will, and the critique of miracles. Thomas Bayes’s work on probability appeared posthumously in 1763. His friend Richard Price discovered the manuscript and published it posthumously in 1767 along with his explanation of Bayesian methods for assessing miracles. We know Hume read Price&amp;#39;s paper and liked it. But Hume neither addressed Bayesian arguments nor revised his account of miracles for the 1768 and 1777 editions of his &lt;i&gt;Enquiry&lt;/i&gt;. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
  
&lt;b&gt;An Enquiry Concerning the Principles of Morals&lt;/b&gt; (1751): Hume’s dedicated work on ethics. By relying on empirical observations of human nature rather than abstract religious or rationalist dogmas, Hume presents morality as a practical, natural tool designed by humans to foster social harmony and mutual well-being. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
  
&lt;b&gt;The Natural History of Religion&lt;/b&gt; (1757). Hume treats religious history as a natural, secular phenomenon, fundamentally undermining the belief that religion is inherently rooted in reason or divine revelation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;
  
&lt;b&gt;Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion (1779)&lt;/b&gt;. His last book published posthumanously. It explores the psychological and sociological origins of religious belief, arguing that religion stems not from rational contemplation or innate knowledge of God, but from the emotional drives of human nature, primarily fear, anxiety, and the desire for security.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.debunking-christianity.com/2026/07/why-didnt-david-hume-respond-upon.html#more&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;&lt;script type=&quot;text/javascript&quot;&gt;&lt;!--
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Vanderburg briefly addresses this issue in his article for &lt;i&gt;Hume Studies&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;a href=&quot;#_edn1&quot; name=&quot;_ednref1&quot; style=&quot;mso-endnote-id: edn1;&quot; title=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoEndnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-special-character: footnote;&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoEndnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: black; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;&quot;&gt;[1]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; He
shows Hume was aware of Bayes’ Theorem but didn’t think he needed it to make
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&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;layout-grid-mode: char; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in; margin-left: .5in; margin-right: 0in; margin-top: 0in; margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; mso-layout-grid-align: none; text-autospace: none; text-indent: 0.5in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: black; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 14pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;&quot;&gt;Earman chastises Hume for
being unaware of Bayesianism and of mathematical probability generally. This is
unfair on two counts. First, Bayes’s work on probability was not widely known
in 1748 when Hume published the ﬁrst edition of the Enquiry. Richard Price
arranged the posthumous publication of Bayes’s essay only in 1763, and it
remained obscure even after its publication; Price’s paper applying Bayesian
methods to the evidence for miracles appeared in 1767. We know Hume read and
admired that paper, but he neither addressed Bayesian arguments nor revised his
account of miracles for the 1768 and 1777 editions of the Enquiry. This
suggests that Hume ultimately did not view Bayes’s work as relevant to the
argument against miracles. Second, Hume’s discussion of the probability of
chances “shows without controversy that he was familiar with the basic concepts
of probability based on the calculus of chances.” Given Hume’s familiarity with
Pascalian probability in general, and his acquaintance (through Price) with
Bayesian ideas, his non-numerical treatment of the evidential probability of
miracles must be seen as a deliberate philosophical position, not as a result
of negligence or ignorance.&lt;a href=&quot;#_edn2&quot; name=&quot;_ednref2&quot; style=&quot;mso-endnote-id: edn2;&quot; title=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoEndnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;mso-special-character: footnote;&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;MsoEndnoteReference&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: black; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;&quot;&gt;[2]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;layout-grid-mode: char; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in; mso-layout-grid-align: none; text-autospace: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: black; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 14pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;&quot;&gt; &lt;span&gt;    &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;    &lt;/span&gt;What
Hume is aiming at is seen in his general maxim: “Therefore we may establish it
as a maxim, that no human testimony can have such force as to prove a miracle,
and make it a just foundation for any such system of religion.” His twofold
contention is not only that mere testimonial evidence for a miracle is
insufficient for believing in a miracle, but also that miracles cannot be an
adequate foundation for a religion. Hume is undercutting miracles and any
religion born of miracles in one fell swoop. Going for the jugular vein of
miracles does all the work, for it also deals a death blow to the religion of
any miracle working god.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;layout-grid-mode: char; line-height: normal; margin-bottom: 0in; mso-layout-grid-align: none; text-autospace: none; text-indent: 0.5in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color: black; font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;serif&amp;quot;; font-size: 14pt; mso-fareast-font-family: &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;; mso-font-kerning: 0pt;&quot;&gt;If
miracles are the foundation for a religion, then an apologist for that religion
cannot bring up a miracle working god to establish his supposed miracles. For
miracles are supposed to be the basis for the religion and its miracle working
god. One cannot reason backwards from the existence of their god to the miracle
testimonies in the Bible. For the issue is whether the god of these miracles
exists in the first place.&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.debunking-christianity.com/2026/07/an-except-from-my-2019-book-case.html#more&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;&lt;script type=&quot;text/javascript&quot;&gt;&lt;!--
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&lt;blockquote&gt;Since Christians are convinced Hume’s arguments against miracles have been “refuted” (per William Lane Craig in a personal conversation), some atheists are trying to reach out to Christians by avoiding Hume entirely. Benjamin Blake Speed Watkins, who Hosts and Produces Real Atheology – A Philosophy of Religion Podcast, is one of them. He said, “I see arguments against miracles as separate from Hume. We can have substantive discussion without ever appealing to him.” Now this can be done, I don’t doubt. But I don’t see the need to do it. I also think we should give credit where credit is due. I can’t imagine ignoring David Hume, the philosopher who originally put the issue of miracles up for discussion, like no other had done before. That would be an injustice. I understand that Christians identify the best arguments against miracles with Hume’s arguments. I also understand they think Hume’s arguments fail. So I’m not oblivious they conclude that with Hume’s demise so also goes the case against miracles. Just the same, it makes sense to defend Hume if he can be defended, and I think he can. When we do so successfully it doubly undercuts Christian apologetics. For not only do we show Hume’s arguments defeat the believability of miracles. By showing Christians are wrong about Hume, it also shows how badly they argue their case on behalf of miracles.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
  
Richard Carrier recently said I&amp;#39;m wrong to try, via email:    
  
&lt;blockquote&gt;I think Hume should be dealt with much more briefly as having said something useful but centuries obsolete and thus no longer worth distracting ourselves with. That just helps theists, because they can throw up sand and argue endlessly over his choice of sentences and wording, when we could just say “why are you still talking about that, that’s centuries obsolete?” and thus pull the rug out from under that entire tactic. Force them instead to deal directly with the modern math. They will have a far harder time coming up with convoluted rhetoric to evade simple math than to make hay out of some long dead provocateur&amp;#39;s 18th century prose.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
  
Then again:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t see value in trying to fix or explain hundreds years old obsolete stuff, even when clever or historically important. That wastes a lot of energy to no point. It’s great if you are doing history of the 18th century or something. But in philosophy, the name “Hume” should have no value argumentatively. So I think it’s pointless to try and fix “him.” Forget him. We have the benefit of two hundred plus years of scientific, logical, and mathematical advances since. We should just formulate the correct argument and be done with it. His name never need be mentioned; and mentioning it is just a distraction that triggers the howling monkeys of Christian apologetics. Make them confront the correct argument, rather than waste time arguing over what Hume’s centuries-old selection of words meant. Which fits into my ideal principle: never give a Christian an opening to derail a conversation by arguing over irrelevant trivia instead of the actual point being made. Try to prevent rather than facilitate that. It’s hard. But it should be the best aim.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
  
From the outset, just to be sure, I have argued against miracles without depending on Hume. I mentioned him twice in two papers with just one link each. I did so for &lt;i&gt;The Secular Web&lt;/i&gt;. One is titled, &lt;a href=&quot;https://infidels.org/library/modern/hail-mary/&quot;&gt;Hail Mary: Was Virgin Mary Truly the Mother of God’s Son?&lt;/a&gt;, and another one is titled, &lt;a href=&quot;Assessing%20McIntosh’s%20Sophisticated%20Defense%20of%20Miracles&quot;&gt;Assessing McIntosh’s Sophisticated Defense of Miracles&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.debunking-christianity.com/2026/07/on-resurrecting-david-hume-from-dead.html#more&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;&lt;script type=&quot;text/javascript&quot;&gt;&lt;!--
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&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;There are too many flawed, naïve ideas about an ancient god in these pages&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;separator&quot; style=&quot;clear: both; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgnvFtKWaLT_mxUGIfgn2wKkSIx4mJUG58KwINlYwYUeh0YQYpUrwbuGMJFPxbhttLou5A2SaBOI9JXTTjzM1lUPBBrOlrdEONaTDj9XdTyPFopM8LDcJOB5zKlyNzbQpD3Ko2R8Ltjsji_BXn1NueEcgRTEHQ_cDFW600uHX8D8RMgQXVfsp8E6g/s633/Madison,%20How%20can%20we%20avoid%20the%20conclusion%20that%20this%20god%E2%80%99s%20big%20mistake%20when%20he%20created%20humans%20could%20not%20be%20corrected%3F.jpg&quot; style=&quot;clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;&quot;&gt;&lt;img border=&quot;0&quot; data-original-height=&quot;633&quot; data-original-width=&quot;500&quot; height=&quot;400&quot; src=&quot;https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgnvFtKWaLT_mxUGIfgn2wKkSIx4mJUG58KwINlYwYUeh0YQYpUrwbuGMJFPxbhttLou5A2SaBOI9JXTTjzM1lUPBBrOlrdEONaTDj9XdTyPFopM8LDcJOB5zKlyNzbQpD3Ko2R8Ltjsji_BXn1NueEcgRTEHQ_cDFW600uHX8D8RMgQXVfsp8E6g/w316-h400/Madison,%20How%20can%20we%20avoid%20the%20conclusion%20that%20this%20god%E2%80%99s%20big%20mistake%20when%20he%20created%20humans%20could%20not%20be%20corrected%3F.jpg&quot; width=&quot;316&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: times;&quot;&gt;In my article I posted here &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.debunking-christianity.com/2026/07/there-is-so-much-bad-theology-rubbish.html &quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;a few days ago,&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; I described a few of the problems posed by the first few chapters of Genesis 1-11. The most horrifying of which is Yahweh’s genocide designed to kill off all human and animal life on the earth—well, the earth as it was understood at the time. Only Noah’s family, and the animals he had collected in the ark survived. This is extraordinarily bad behavior on the part of this god. How can modern devout folks brush it off, overlook it—or pretend it wasn’t so bad?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.debunking-christianity.com/2026/07/how-can-belief-in-smart-loving-god.html#more&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;blogger-post-footer&quot;&gt;&lt;script type=&quot;text/javascript&quot;&gt;&lt;!--
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Hume’s target was the Christian religion with its miracles. He argued against the probability of human testimony on behalf of miracles focusing on the Christian religion with its miracle claims. The root word “relig” with its endings (-ion –ions -ious –ionist) occurs twenty times in this chapter].&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; 
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