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Re: They Say The Third Time is a Charm! 1st Week Testimony....

diamond in the rough — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:01:05 GMT

Hi Rachel421
Thanks for the welcome back and encouragement!
I appreciate it!
I'm hoping that as I lose weight, more people will notice,
and I can share what I'm doing, and get them to try the diet too.
Then, maybe we can have more female posters!

God Bless!

Re: They Say The Third Time is a Charm! 1st Week Testimony....

Rachel421 — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:18:38 GMT

hey, you can be warrior from the very start. ive read your posts. you have the groundwork layed and are cleared for take off.

seriously, your story was one of the first to inspire me. i went back and read each long thread on the forum. each persons story is a chance to open our minds to all the possibilities these principles open up to us.

glad you're getting back on track and feeling better!

look see, four posting females in the success story section. wowee. a first since i came aboard.

Re: I ruined it

fotakou — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:25:34 GMT

Its not from personal experience,and the people from who i have heard it did not practice the warrior diet but the anabolic diet.Essentially they noticed that in order to lower body fat you must first try to lower dietary fat.I am not a great source to ask though since back when i first practiced the WD my cheat days were limited so i had not that much of the problem.When i stopped the WD i went overboard and gained a lot of weight and now i am trying to get on track.
Good luck!

Re: I ruined it

Psyfactor312 — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:29:17 GMT

Hehe, Sorry fotakou.

Anyway, talking to you, I could ask you a little question. When you are trying to lose fat (like after going overboard), are you more careful with your fat-intake or do you keep your high fat days as in maintenance?

Re: Noob, with a question.

Dano3000 — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:46:47 GMT

Not only does muscle milk contain too many calories to support under eating, but its sweetened with glycerin, which retards the livers ability to burn fuel and detoxify. Cut the muscle milk, eat your veggies, stick to fruit during the day and only eat a clean, healthy post workout meal if you need one. Let us know anything else you can so we can continue to help.

Noob, with a question.

Rake — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:08:46 GMT

Hey y'all,

I'm a 25 yo old male, 6' tall, and currently weigh about 198 lb, 8 oz. I've been doing the Warrior Diet somewhat closely for the past two weeks. I say somewhat closely, since the last time I read the book was close to month ago, and I started the diet the Monday before last. I've adapted it a little using more "paleo" eating principles, such as a reduction in grains and dairy, and I've cut out dairy entirely this week, and have only allowed smaller amounts of rice, and only had wheat at one meal since that Monday. I drink one Muscle Milk shake after my morning workout, one at midday, and until a few days ago, one before bed, and I otherwise eat only fruit during the undereating part. For the overeating phase, I've been following Ori's recommendations by starting with a (usually simple) green salad, and then meat or fish and vegetables, with a handful of almonds at the end. I know I haven't been consuming enough cruciferous veggies, so I definitely need to up that. For exercise I've been using the book Pushing Yourself to Power by John Peterson, which primarily uses bodyweight and self resistance exercises, and I'm impressed with the results.
Anyway, my energy has been great the last two weeks and I've felt incredible compared to before, although I have been taking the lion's share of supplements. My main concern is that I haven't really noticed any weight loss. I know that sheer pounds aren't the most reliable indicator of fat loss, but the scale hasn't budged and I'm concerned. I lost about 2 lb after the first three days, but nothing since then. I do have slightly more visible muscle definition, but I'm a guy who can crash diet for three days *NOTE: I know this is not healthy, and not good for long term weight loss, so please don't focus on this little bit of my post*, lose ten pounds and look much thinner, so not seeing that needle move is somewhat disheartening. A 2lb a week weight loss is generally considered the norm for a dieter, and I doubt I've gained 4lb in muscle mass in a mere two weeks, besides I should weigh more like a buck eighty.
I'd be ever so grateful if anyone here has any suggestions, or sees anything that I am doing wrong. Thanks!

They Say The Third Time is a Charm! 1st Week Testimony....

diamond in the rough — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:40:09 GMT

Okay.... I'm back!

I was having great success with this diet, but life and family intruded and I fell off the Anti-Estrogenic wagon and gained everything back... (and more)... So, I actually hesitated about posting anything here.... because I kind of feel like a failure, because of starting before.... and then letting life pull me back into my old bad habits....but, they say if at first you don't succeed.... TRY TRY AGAIN!... and I decided that there were probably a lot of other people like me... who have tried so many other diets and lost weight and then gained it all back again... So instead of feeling guilty about past failures, I choose to feel proud of my determination to try again! There is something about this diet that rings true with me... I know that it works and I know that I feel good when I'm on it...so, here I am again... and I have just finished my first week on the Anti Estrogenic diet...and had even better results than I had last time! I am excited and hopeful that I will have the strength and stubborn determination to stick with it this time, so that I can get rid of this excess weight. I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired!

My first week back on the diet, I lost 26 pounds!
(I'm sure a lot of that was water weight, but I will take it!)

Even more important, I lost inches!

I lost 4 inches from my bust.
I lost 6 inches from my waist! (WOW)
I lost 3.5 inches from my hips.
I lost 2.5 inches from my thigh.
I lost 2 inches from my calf!
I lost 1.5 inches from my upper arm.
I lost 1 inch from my wrist.
I lost 1/2 inch from my neck.
ALL OF THIS IN ONLY ONE WEEK ON THE DIET!

When I first start this diet, I always feel pretty rough for the first few days... I think it is my body getting rid of
the toxins and adjusting to having real food as fuel. Plus, I've also completely cut out soft drinks and I was drinking as much
as two 2 liter bottles of Pepsi a day, before I got back on this diet. So, the caffeine withdrawal is probably a lot of what I feel at first.

But, after only a week on the diet, I'm already feeling better. Before starting this diet, my legs and feet were so swollen and they
ached so badly. I only had one pair of shoes that fit my feet anymore, (my tennis shoes, with laces stretched
out as far as they could go) My feet are already starting to fit back into my shoes again! and my legs and feet
are not nearly as sore or swollen as they were. I'm hoping that soon, I'll be able to wear my wedding ring again!

Today, I went to my dad's nursing home, and several of the nurses actually noticed
that I'd lost weight (after only 1 week on a diet). They asked me about what I was doing
to lose the weight. I was telling them about the Anti-Estrogenic Diet. At least 6 of them
are wanting to see the book and try the diet. As I was leaving, the head of the nursing home
called to me, and asked me about the diet I was on, because she's wanting to lose weight.
I'm bringing them my book tomorrow. It would sure be neat to have some other friends who
were doing the same thing, at the same time... We could help inspire eachother and we could
share recipes and ideas....and things like that.

Anyway, if there are others of you out there who have fallen off the Anti-Estrogenic Diet wagon,
.... I pray that God will give you the strength to rise up and take control of what you eat, instead of
letting food control you.... and give it a try again! I hope I can be an encouragement to you.
If there are others of you who are just starting, I also hope we can work together and encourage
eachother, to reach our goals! I have a LOT of weight to lose and I know that this is going to have to
be a lifestyle change. I know the weight will not melt off overnight, but it took a long time to put it on too!

Ori, thanks for the diet!
Right now, my concern is losing weight,
but maybe someday,
after I lose all of this excess weight,
I'll want to try and become a Warrior!

Re: Vita-Mix During Undereating Phase

Jeff — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:02:44 GMT

I did some additional reading about crucifers on the internet. There seems to be different ideas about whether or not it is beneficial to eat raw crucifers. I also saw the part about raw crucifers being bad for the thyroid. The question is, how bad? To say that something is good or bad is such an ambiguous statement. If I blended small to moderate amounts of crucifers, would the good outweigh the bad? I also wonder how much an effect the Vitamix has on the vegetables. The Vitamix will tear the vegetables up quite a bit more than chewing can. If you leave it in there long enough it will even make it hot. How close to cooking would that be? How much of the nutrients would still be intact compared to steaming the vegetables?

Re: Apostate is back...

fotakou — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:05:06 GMT

Undereating
4 apricots,3 peaches,1 small pear

Exercise
2 hours of INTENSE capoeira

Overeating
Salad with 15/10 g flax/olive oil
2 whole eggs,3 egg whites omelet with 2 bell peppers.Used some balsamic vinegar and around 25-30g of olive oil for the skillet.Also put some around 2 oz of feta cheese
Handful almonds,walnuts,hazelnuts and pistachios blended,30 g of tahini,some cocoa and cinnamon

Comments
First of all

Weight 84.4 kg

Nice

Today i was ravenously hungry!My stomach was growling the whole time and it was as simple as gulping some water.I wrote down my calories and they came around 2k for yesterday.It seems that i might need to up calories a bit?Well today i ate around 2300 so lets see.The growling was not the only problem,again i slept few hours and again i was a little foggy during the day.By 15:45 i lied down a little and i think that i fall asleep,but still it was not enough!On a side note i visited the toilet many times today(around 4)

Capoeira was really hard.There were not many students today(guess they are charging their batteries for the seminar)so my trainer decided to use a HIIT style.It was good,but again i was wiped out after the class.My shoulders are a bit sore as well so i didnt have much motivation for some acrobatics.There were good things though!I finally understood how to move my body while in handstand in order to walk and i had a really really nice game with another student.After the game i was of course into a bended position trying to breathe Its good to know though that i can go 100% out After the bath i noticed that my belly had shrunk a little so high five!

Overeating was nice today.I wanted to see if i can use fewer eggs in case i use more veggies but in the end i needed the same amount as any conventional omelet.The feta was a nice addition to the omelet and i also had some grape tomatoes.Nice combo indeed.The nuts reminded me of my earlier days while doing the WD were i blended many nuts,put some honey and enjoyed!I should do it once more!Perhaps as a combo reward for the 14 days capoeira???Hazelnut butter AND HONEY?Omff,kill me now!

Tomorrow we have some seminars at capoeira,so we will be doing some folklore dance of Brazil and perhaps play with each other!Some students might upload pictures on facebook,so i will make sure that you see them
Good night guys/gals!

Veggie and fruit smoothies during the day

HUNTER13 — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:34:27 GMT

How small should the smoothies be when consumed during the undereating phase? I have been making mine with maybe a cup of mixed fruits and/or spinich, with maybe a teaspoon of hemp protein tossed in. Would a couple of these be ok during the undereating phase or should I scale it back?

Veggie and nut diet

HUNTER13 — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:30:30 GMT

Has anyone tried the veggie and nut diet Ori talks about in the Warrior Diet book (chapter 5)?

Re: Ori's articles.

Realety — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:18:30 GMT

I have read those article several times. I was actually referring the the newer articles that Ori speak of in his weekly radio show. I can't seem to find where those are. Thanks for the answer though.

Re: Just starting...

Rachel421 — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 14:03:00 GMT

http://www.justinowings.com/b/index.php/me/insulin-control

glad you found oris forum. this type of eating/undereating has been a lifesaver for me. welcome!

this article says it much better than i could about the nuances of what constitutes undereating for individuals. ori has fixed recommendations, but each person has to find what they each need to do in order to keep insulin under control during the day. what constitutes undereating is as varied as all our different makeups and challenges. some eat veggie, fruit, some even light protiens. i myself waterfast as my insulin is very out of whack. the best way to find out whats right for you, is to listen to what your body tells you as undertake a new program.

i urge you to read the book, and go through the posts here. there lots of very athletic folks that probably have a fitness level more comparable with yours. im still working on that department! anyone else some words of wisdom?

Just starting...

femmemilitaire — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:24:29 GMT

Unknowingly I have been following the Warrior Diet for about six months now. I decided I'd listen to my body for once and what my body WANTS is the WD! I eat no breakfast, have a snack in the am (okay it's usually a bag of Doritos), go work out, eat an apple in the pm, then have whatever I want between 6 and 8 in the evening which translates to a regular meal (though somewhat smaller than usual) and a bowl of shredded wheat before bed.
I haave tons of energy and never feel deprived. I had noticed I'd fallen in this pattern, and called it the "Doritos and apple diet" which sounded lunatic, but it is working just fine for me. So I goofed around on the internet and found you guys. Who knew?? So now I'm just lookign for ways to refine this thing I found.
I'm a small military female, not into bodybuilding but go to the gym to run, and do a few weights to get ready for my PT test. So...any advice will be welcome and I'll keep reading others' posts as well.

Re: Alternate day diet

comanighttrain — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 12:13:40 GMT

i done that yeah

Re: Insulin Resistance and Fasting

fotakou — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:19:06 GMT

The first link is really solid if you ask me.And with all the sources i dont know if you should follow Oris recommendation or not.But you can always test your insulin during the day cant you?

Also,ok fasting can have some negative effects as the first site states but how about undereating during the day with low gi veggies and perhaps fruits?

Re: I ruined it

fotakou — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:17:16 GMT

Quote from: Psyfactor312 on Yesterday at 01:37:30 AM

@Foukatou:

Damn i should write down these nicks
So far we have Fatakou,Ratakou,Foukatou and one more that i cant seem to remember

Go psyfactor!!!

Re: I ruined it

Psyfactor312 — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:37:30 GMT

Danno 3000, you're so right! Thank you for your advice. Well, I know it was depression and me feeling bored on the trip which made all this happen. But now I know how to behave when I go on a business trip, as I see the consequences. I also think that nuts shouldn't be underestimated. Some people do well eating a certain amount, for others it's the switch to binging and their downfall. Also I think I was just missing B-Vitamins (I had left the supplement at home), because I know that my tummy doesn't tolerate nuts and even then I ate them excessively. At home I cover my B-Vitamin needs with a special supplement or with brewer's yeast, which helps.
@Foukatou: HIT is impossible for me at the moment because I have a knee injury. I can only do lower impact cardio (elliptical, swimming, fast walking,...) and weights. So diet and as Danno also said "time" should do the magic.

Re: Insulin Resistance and Fasting

Concerned and Confused — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:08:49 GMT

bump anyone?

Re: Interesting article on Bodybuilding.com

Rachel421 — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:22:43 GMT

upbeat and smart from day one, we appreciate you dano the man!

Re: Interesting article on Bodybuilding.com

Dano3000 — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:19:32 GMT

When I read "atkinssssss" I imagined the serpent hanging from the tree of knowledge trying to sell Adam and Eve "the true weight loss ssssssssssssssecret."

Re: I ruined it

Dano3000 — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:16:56 GMT

Theres really nothing that will get rid of your binge but time, man. You could stress and stress and stress over it endlessly and end up harming your body in the long run with short term, ridiculous measures to correct your binge. But try and remember that stress is what made you binge, stress isn't going to help undo your binge. Whats done is done and now you just need to wait it out while you refocus on healthful eating and let that work for you.
Just re-adjusting how your eating, like you've done, is enough. It's just gonna take some time man. What I think would be more useful than trying to fix it as quickly as possible is to really analyze the emotional reasons behind the binge and work it out so you never have a binge again. Learn something from it other than how to correct it after its happened. Because binging sucks, but what sucks worse is letting it become a cycle of uncontrolled binge/correct binge/correct binge/correct (essentially bulimia).

Re: brand new to warrior diet

Dano3000 — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:11:02 GMT

When its convenient for you, please give us a general idea of how you are eating, how you feel with what you are eating, what you do on an average day, etc. etc.
Just eating sensibly in a warrior way will benefit you tremendously and do much to help you lose weight, so I wouldn't worry about fuel cycling just yet.

Re: Interesting article on Bodybuilding.com

Rachel421 — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:48:28 GMT

isnt it great when we all find things that work for us an individuals! thats rocks dano!

@labrat, i expect no respect, im simply posting about my experience with certian methods espoused by ori, and IFing. you have been pretty critical of some of those methods, and thats not about me, but i enjoy stating my case. i really dont care if a person needs to eat a gallon a popcorn every two hours with butter, if it makes you healthy and strong, rock on lab. if a person gets healthy water fasting or eating one low carb meal a day, or carb cycling, great. i dont knock other peoples methods, but i am happy that someone like ori has put out a book that seems to help some people.

im really starting to understand why so many warrior diet followers, old moderators included dont spend a lot of time and energy on forums. diet and exercise is too complex and issue, and too many people need make what works for them work for everyone. gets to be a jerry springer situation. glad you're having a great life, stay away from atkinssssss . lol.

Re: brand new to warrior diet

stephenferrissey — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:40:56 GMT

sorry man for the scarscam. i just had a crap day. i really appreciate your reply. thanks for the advice.