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	<title>Discrimination Issues in ESL... :: Fired for teaching adult ESL students uses of the f word</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4623" target="_blank"&gt;luke76&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Fired for teaching adult ESL students uses of the f word&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:35 pm (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 0&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;I was fired this morning (my DOS texted me, asking me to call him back, Sunday morning).  The reason he gave was that I had used the f word in class, and the heads of the company found out about it, and that they told him to fire me on the spot, no notice or severence pay.  I am working in Sydney, and I am on a sponsorship visa which requires me to work for this company to stay in the country.  I am under contract, and have worked for this company for 4 years.
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I'm just trying to garner the opinion of other ESL teachers, on whether or not they have taught curse words (under any circumstances), and whether they think it's a sackable offence.  Does anyone know of a good lawyer in the Sydney area?  
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Speedy advice is much appreciated.
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	<title>Open ESL Expert Discussion... :: Let Students Talk About their Hometown</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=3442" target="_blank"&gt;eric18&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Let Students Talk About their Hometown&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:36 pm (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 0&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;If you teach a truly international class with students from many different countries and cities, you might find it useful to encourage them to research their hometowns. This simple exercise, designed while I taught at UCLA American Language Center, emphasizes the students' expertise while expanding their vocabulary and speaking skills. 
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Here's the homework worksheet that I assign. Students then return to work in groups to share articles about their hometowns. Later, I have all students give a brief 5-minute presentation on their hometowns using at least two sources and their own experiences. 
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			Talking About Your Own Hometown! 
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Student Name: 
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Class:
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Teacher:
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School:
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Date:
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Please find an article about your hometown in English that you would like to share with your classmates. Read the article, clip the article, and be prepared to talk about the article.
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Title:
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Author:						Length:
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Publication:						Publication date:
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What's the main idea? 
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How many sources were quoted? 
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Where there any illustrations? What kind? 
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What did you learn in this article?
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What was the most interesting part for you? Why?  
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Write down 5 new vocabulary words, idioms, or expressions. 
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	3.
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	4.
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	5. 
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How would you rate the article 1-10? Why? 
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Why did you choose this article?
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The more comfortable students feel, the more they will often contribute in English class - especially if they are studying abroad. Choosing a comfortable topic where they have expert status seems like a logical first &amp;quot;major&amp;quot; activity.
&lt;br /&gt;_________________&lt;br /&gt;Shalom
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Eric
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&lt;a href="mailto:eric@compellingconversations.com"&gt;eric@compellingconversations.com&lt;/a&gt;
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	<title>Open ESL Expert Discussion... :: RE: Is a Book Review the Same As a Book Report?</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=3442" target="_blank"&gt;eric18&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Solid primer!&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:29 pm (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 1&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Rachel - Thank you for writing that solid primer on the differences between a book report and book review. 
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I often assign book reviews as a final assignment and require students to both orally present and write their review. It's a challenging, but almost always, surprising assignment since students are free to pick the book. 
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Sometimes I also ask them to write different versions: 1 sentence, 1 paragraph, 1 page, and a full 1,000 word review. That simple exercises helps clarify their focus.
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Thanks for sharing.
&lt;br /&gt;_________________&lt;br /&gt;Shalom
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Eric
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	<title>Recommended ESL Books... :: RE: Cheap books appropriate for advanced ESL</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=3442" target="_blank"&gt;eric18&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Excellent suggestions&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:23 pm (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 1&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Dover editions are affordable, thin, and durable. They are excellent choices - especially for the budget conscious. 
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You can also have students co-create course materials by assigning them to find articles and write concise reviews for daily homework. I often require students to find materials on an assigned topic, fill out a worksheet, and bring the articles to class. They then discuss their articles in small groups. This multiskill activity can be either a supplement or main assignment. 
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Here's a worksheet that I use to get my students - who come from many different countries - talking about their hometowns. 
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			Talking About Your Own Hometown! 
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Student Name: 
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Class:
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Teacher:
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School:
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Date:
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Please find an article about your hometown in English that you would like to share with your classmates. Read the article, clip the article, and be prepared to talk about the article.
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Title:
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Author:						Length:
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Publication:						Publication date:
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What's the main idea? 
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How many sources were quoted? 
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Where there any illustrations? What kind? 
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What did you learn in this article?
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What was the most interesting part for you? Why?  
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Write down 5 new vocabulary words, idioms, or expressions. 
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	2. 
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	3.
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	4.
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	5. 
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How would you rate the article 1-10? Why? 
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Why did you choose this article?
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Enjoy!
&lt;br /&gt;_________________&lt;br /&gt;Shalom
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Eric
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&lt;a href="mailto:eric@compellingconversations.com"&gt;eric@compellingconversations.com&lt;/a&gt;
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	<title>Training for ESL Teachers... :: RE: Teaching Conversation Class</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=3442" target="_blank"&gt;eric18&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Provide multiperspectives, give feedback&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 2:13 pm (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 2&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Teaching conversation classes remains a distinct pleasure - and challenge. You need to both encourage participation with engaging materials and provide meaningful feedback in an indirect, yet clear, manner to maintain the educational value too.
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I often walk around the class joining conversation and taking notes. Yesterday, for instance, a Korean student mispronounced the word &amp;quot;rang&amp;quot;  as &amp;quot;reng&amp;quot; so I responded to the question with the correct sound, but made no direct correction to help everyone save face and feel comfortable. After all, the focus is on the actual conversation. 
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Yet when the group conversation activity on advertising slogans was over, I reviewed several &amp;quot;good mistakes&amp;quot; in grammar and pronunciation that I heard. I mentioned rang  and the class practiced similiar words: bang,  gang, fang,- and yang. As usual, I often advise students to speak slower, pronounce the word endings, and open their mouths more.  Just adding ten minutes of casual feedback emphasizes the educational nature of the class - and moves it beyond just a conversation club to practice speaking. 
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By the way, here is a typical  conversation lesson from my class from my book Compelling Conversations that combines questions, vocabulary review, idioms, and quotations. You can find other free lessons at &lt;a href="http://www.compellingconversations.com." target="_blank" class="postlink"&gt;www.compellingconversations.com.&lt;/a&gt;
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Enjoy your conversation class. They can be wonderful places for sharing insights, experiences, and reflections.
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“I want freedom for the full expression of my personality.” 
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Mahatma Gandhi (1869–1948), Indian political leader and philosopher 
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BEING YOURSELF
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Sharing Perspectives
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From consulting charts and reading palms to taking personality tests and reading self-help books, people love to describe themselves. 
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1. Which three adjectives would you use to describe your personality?
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2. Are you shy or outgoing? When are you most outgoing?
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3. Are you daring or cautious? In what ways?
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4. Are you usually patient or impatient? Can you give an example?
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5. Are you quiet or talkative? When are you most talkative? Least?
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6. Would you call yourself a leader or a follower? Why?
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7. Are you generous or selfish? Are you too selfish or over generous? 
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8. In what ways are you rigid? In what ways are you flexible? 
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9. In what ways are you traditional? In what ways are you modern?
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10. If pessimistic is 1 and optimistic is 10, what would your number be on the scale? Why did you decide on that number? 
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11. On a scale of 1-10, how assertive are you? 
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12. Is your personality more like your mother or your father?In what ways?
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13. Which color would you use to describe your personality?
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14. Which animal would you use to describe yourself? Tiger? Mouse? Why?
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15. Do you believe in astrology? Which sign are you in the zodiac? Does the pattern of this sign match your personality? 
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16. Which animal year are you according to Chinese astrology? Does this fit? 
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17. Have you ever taken a personality test from a magazine or online? Was it helpful? Was it fun? Was it accurate? 
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18. Which season of the year best describes your personality? In what ways?
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20 • &lt;a href="http://www.Compellingconversations.com" target="_blank"&gt;www.Compellingconversations.com&lt;/a&gt; 
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Vocabulary
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Please circle the words that you know. Ask your partner or teacher for the meanings of the other words. 
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character....................................................................................................
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THE CONVERSATION CONTINUES…
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1. Do you think our personalities are set when we are born?
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2. Can we change our personalities? How?
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3. How has your personality changed in the last ten years? 
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4. Which three words would you use to describe the personality of your best friend? 
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5. How are your personalities similar? How are your personalities different?
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6. Why do you think opposites are sometimes attracted to each other?
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7. Some cultures define personality in terms of the elements: Would you say you are primarily air, water, fire, or earth? Why did you choose that element? 
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8. Which three qualities do you think of as yin (feminine)?
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9. Which three qualities do you think of as yang (masculine)?
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10. Can you name one yin quality and one yang quality which describe you?
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11. How might being raised in poverty influence someone’s personality? 
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12. Do you think being born in extreme wealth would change your personality? How?
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13. If you had been born in another country, do you think your personality would be different? How? 
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14. Can you think of somebody with a good personality and bad character?
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15. What is the difference between one’s personality and one’s character?
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Remember…
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Be encouraging
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Make good mistakes
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Be yourself
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Q u e s t i o n s  A n d  Quotations  On  Ti m e l e s s  To p i c s • 21 
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16. Are you primarily an extrovert or an introvert? Why do you say that?
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17. Do you think nature (biology) or nurture (our circumstances) are more important in shaping our personalities? Why do you say that? 
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18. What are your best qualities? 
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Quotations
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Circle the quotations you like. 
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1. “Know thyself.”—Socrates, Greek philosopher (470–399 B.C. E.) 
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2. “The man of character bears the accidents of life with dignity and grace, making the best of circumstances.”—Aristotle (384–322 B.C.E.), Greek philosopher and scientist 
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3. “This above all: To thine own self be true, And it must follow, as the night the day, Thou canst not then be false to any man.”—William Shakespeare, playwright (1564–1616) 
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4. “Character is much easier kept than recovered.” —Thomas Paine (1737–1809), writer and revolutionary 
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5. “It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious.”—Oscar Wilde (1856–1900), English playwright 
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6. “Some people with great virtues are disagreeable, while others with great vice are delightful.” —Duc de la Rochefoucauld (1613—1680), French philosopher 
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7. “The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances; if there is any reaction, both are transformed.” —Carl Jung (1875–1961), Swiss psychiatrist 
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8. “The Doc told me that I had a dual personality. Then he lays an $82 bill on me, so I give him 41 bucks and say, ‘Get the other 41 bucks from the other guy.’ ”—Jerry Lewis (1926–), American comedian 
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9. “I am what is mine. Personality is the original personal property. —Norman O. Brown (1913–2002), American scholar 
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10. “Man’s main task in life is to give birth to himself, to become what he potentially is. The most important product of his effort is his own personality.”—Erich Fromm (1900–1980), American psychologist 
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11. “I am absolutely convinced that no wealth in the world can help humanity forward. The example of great and fine personalities is the only thing that can lead us to fine ideas and noble deeds. Can anyone imagine Moses, Jesus, or Gandhi with the money bags of Carnegie?”—Albert Einstein (1879–1955), Nobel Prize winner in Physics 
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12. “Generous people are rarely mentally ill people.” —Karl Menninger (1893–1990) American psychiatrist 
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ON YOUR OWN:    What do you like about yourself?
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Write a postcard to a stranger which celebrates yourself and your strongest traits.
&lt;br /&gt;_________________&lt;br /&gt;Shalom
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Eric
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&lt;a href="mailto:eric@compellingconversations.com"&gt;eric@compellingconversations.com&lt;/a&gt;
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&amp;quot;In America, nobody says you have to keep circumstances somebody else gives you.&amp;quot;
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Amy Tan, Asian-American writer&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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	<title>Your ESL C.V.... :: RE: Two EL teachers one Ukrainian one American can teach Russian</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4418" target="_blank"&gt;VefBoype73&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Two EL teachers one Ukrainian one American can teach Russian&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:40 pm (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 3&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;It's a one piece, but why do you need a  two piece low Pro gas block, when a one piece would be good?
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	<title>Say Anything... :: RE: Why Korean language?</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4439" target="_blank"&gt;JustMe&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:39 pm (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 1&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;I think this is a problem in every country. English teachers don't bother to learn the language of the country in which they live because they can get by in English. I have found that learning the local language helps me to understand the problems faced by the students. It may not always help me in communicating outside the classroom. People often want to practise their English. Those that can't speak English often can't understand my foreign pronunciation or my inaccurate grammar.
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	<title>New ESL Teachers... :: RE: Teaching in Boliva/Brazil</title>
	<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/EslJobsForum-allposts/~3/CmsKJ0lYfms/viewtopic.php</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1734" target="_blank"&gt;ICAL_Pete&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:45 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 1&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Most schools look for a degree and a TEFL certificate. However in Bolivia there is a shortage of teachers so it may be possible for your boyfriend to find work based solely on his having a TEFL certificate.
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It will mean, however that you will have to be there and spend time walking round to each school and seeing if they need teachers. You could strike it lucky on the first morning or you could find it hard.
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A couple of links about teaching in these countries: 
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&lt;a href="http://icalweb.com/wiki/index.php?title=Bolivia" target="_blank" class="postlink"&gt;TEFL in Bolivia&lt;/a&gt;
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&lt;a href="http://icalweb.com/wiki/index.php?title=Brazil" target="_blank" class="postlink"&gt;TEFL in Brazil&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;_________________&lt;br /&gt;ICAL &lt;a href="http://www.icalweb.com" target="_blank"&gt;www.icalweb.com&lt;/a&gt;
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Quality Online TEFL Training since 1998&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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	<title>New ESL Teachers... :: Teaching in Boliva/Brazil</title>
	<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/EslJobsForum-allposts/~3/MgQ4hhB0NgM/viewtopic.php</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4619" target="_blank"&gt;pip_84&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Teaching in Boliva/Brazil&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:08 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 1&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;My partner and I are Australians and hoping to teach english in Boliva or Brazil.  I am a newly qualified Primary School Teacher and my partner is a Electrician.  We were prepared to complete ESL qualifications if needed.  Is it easy to find work in these countries? Will my partner find work without a degree?
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	<title>ESL Certification Issues... :: RE: Online Certificate vs. BA Degree</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4380" target="_blank"&gt;Ana Maria Ivan&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:12 pm (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 3&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Dear Tia,
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I tend to think that an EFL Diploma is sometimes regarded as more important than a Bachelor Degree Diploma. My example, I have a Bachelor Degree in German and English Languages, but this proves only that I studied these languages, and not necessarily that I can teach them...if I had an EFL Diploma instead of the Bachelor Diploma, things would be different. But...would it be better? You can find the answer by yourself.
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  Good luck!
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	<title>Getting the ESL Job... :: RE: Teaching in Cambodia</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=56" target="_blank"&gt;unionjack&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Cambodia&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:47 pm (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 2&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Hello Halem
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Check these out
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&lt;a href="http://www.ewiscambodia.org" target="_blank"&gt;www.ewiscambodia.org&lt;/a&gt; -
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&lt;a href="http://www.mekongesl.com" target="_blank"&gt;www.mekongesl.com&lt;/a&gt; 
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UJ
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	<title>Getting the ESL Job... :: RE: Teaching in Cambodia</title>
	<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/EslJobsForum-allposts/~3/P6GA5uGcb6E/viewtopic.php</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1734" target="_blank"&gt;ICAL_Pete&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:31 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 2&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Although you can still get jobs there without a certificate, the schooling system is getting more rigorous and looking for more qualifications. It may not be necessary to have a CELTA, but some kind of certification along with your degree would be advisable.
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See &lt;a href="http://icalweb.com/wiki/index.php?title=Cambodia" target="_blank" class="postlink"&gt;TEFL in Cambodia&lt;/a&gt;.
&lt;br /&gt;_________________&lt;br /&gt;ICAL &lt;a href="http://www.icalweb.com" target="_blank"&gt;www.icalweb.com&lt;/a&gt;
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	<title>ESL Certification Issues... :: What about non-native future English Teachers?</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4380" target="_blank"&gt;Ana Maria Ivan&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: What about non-native future English Teachers?&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:29 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 0&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Hi,
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  As you already know, almost every employer, looking for a possible English teacher, asks for a native English speaker, sometimes regardless of his/her academic qualification. In a way this is logical, but what about the non-native English teachers? Isn't it a bit discriminating? I mean, it could be a preconception to think that a non-native teacher is less prepared and does his/her job not as well as a native one does, couldn't it? Or...should a non-native teacher stick to doing his/her job inside his own country's borders and not aspire toward an international teaching experience?
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  I am Romanian, and have a Bachelor Degree in German and English Languages (3-years of study). I intend to get an ESL Diploma and to apply for a Master Study in English Literature. But...would those do me  any good, or would those increase my chances to ...teach English? In both cases, I am still a non-native English speaker. Is my attempt really so futile? I started to look for a possible job in Japan, but...everyone is looking for native speakers only. In Europe also. Then, what other opportunities are there left for non-native speakers of English?
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    I would appreciate an answer especially from those who are in the same situation as I am. 
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    Thank you!
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	<title>Say Anything... :: Why Korean language?</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4617" target="_blank"&gt;learnkorea&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Why Korean language?&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:26 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 1&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Many foreigners in Korea think they need not know Korean language since Koreans are eager to learn English.  When you plan to work in a different country, knowing how to speak that country's language would give you a meaningful stay and more successful career especially if you are working as an English language tutor.
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Fortunately, professional foreign teachers are interested in learning Korean language.  Compared to those who just want to earn money from having simple conversations with Koreans.  Their only investment is their mother tongue.  Serious and sincere foreigners try to be dedicated with their jobs.
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	<title>Getting the ESL Job... :: Teaching in Cambodia</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4600" target="_blank"&gt;halem001&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Teaching in Cambodia&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:43 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 2&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Hi all,
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I have a degree in Applied linguistics and Intercultural Communication and would love to work as a teacher in Cambodia. Does anyone know of any places that I could start looking for work? Also is it necessary that I complete a CELTA certificate before I go over there? Any information on teaching in Cambodia would be amazing thank you.
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	<title>Getting the ESL Job... :: RE: Newbie needs the latest Sept2009 advice re:certs/countries</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4337" target="_blank"&gt;essc33&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:00 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 24&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Re taking the CELTA:
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&lt;span style="color: green"&gt;'A couple of you said I should take it because it's the most widely accepted and I'd have an easier time finding work with it. But then Pete says I should take a different course first because CELTA's too hard for a newbie.'&lt;/span&gt;
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It's true the CELTA is hard work but it is DESIGNED for someone who is new to teaching and you're going to be at a disadvantage compared to other new teachers if you don't have it!
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I was one of the people who advised taking the CELTA or Trinity TESOL as opposed to a lesser known qualification, regardless as to what the quality of the other course may be.  Don't just take my word for it; here are the thoughts of two people who recruit teachers: 
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&lt;span style="color: darkred"&gt;(Justin:)
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'I'm a DOS. Like most DOSes, especially in the non-profit sector where I spend my time, I'm chronically overworked. Not asking for sympathy, but it's the truth. I work between 50 (when not also teacher training) and 70 (when teacher training) hours in a normal week. Some weeks, it's worse. (So I don't feel bad about typing this on the office internet.)
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I'm responsible for hiring, and receive between 1 and 4 applications in an average day. When I have time, I like to consider them carefully and thoughtfully, but I rarely have time. Many of them have TEFL qualifications I've never heard of. When I investigate, I usually find out that the qualifications I haven't heard of are of dubious quality. But investigating, depending on the course, could take me anywhere from ten minutes to an hour of internet research.
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In the last year, it's happened only a very few times that I've investigated a &amp;quot;no-name&amp;quot; course and found it to be a good course. It's happened more times than I can count that I've investigated a course with an unknown name and discovered that it was basically a &amp;quot;buy a cert online&amp;quot; scam, or some variation.
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So, when I really don't have enough time to investigate thoroughly, I'm playing the odds. If an application has a cert I don't know, I'm going to play it safe and choose another applicant whose cert I do know.'&lt;/span&gt;
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And another: &lt;span style="color: darkblue"&gt;(Spiral)
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'In my role screening applicants for job positions here, I'd say this:
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I know of some generic certs that do meet the standards of a CELTA.
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However, when I'm looking through CVs, if I don't know the name of the cert, meaning I'm not personally familiar with it AND it hasn't got a recognised name - I throw out the CV.
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We can afford to do this, having far more applicants than openings, but basically I'm with Justin - if a newbie is going to do a cert course, the name brand will open the most doors, in my opinion.'&lt;/span&gt;
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You can see whole thread here: &lt;a href="http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=75752" target="_blank"&gt;http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=75752&lt;/a&gt;
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I would seriously recommend doing either the CELTA or Trinity TESOL as these are the most widely recognised and accepted entry level qualifications.
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	<title>ESL in China [Only]... :: RE: Anyone know about DD Dragon English?</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4613" target="_blank"&gt;lineyd&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: DD DRAGON&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:25 pm (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 1&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Hello
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I have joined this forum...just so I can give you a bit of info on DD Dragon School.  I worked for them for 6 months about a year or so ago.  We were given the job of teaching in a very small town of a few million in a place called LONGGANG.  If they offer you this don't take it!!!!  I don't want to really put you off but DD Dragon are a good company but some of the schools are run as a franchise, the one in Longgang is one of them.  In Shanghai they have 2 very lovely schools which I would have loved to have taught at.  The program they teach is very good and uses literature and teaching materials based around a theme....very similar to 'Lord of the Rings&amp;quot;...with cool characters such as DD...who is a dragon.   I have friends who worked for DD Dragon in other places like Wenzhou and Linksi who really enjoyed their experience.  Have a look on U-Tube as some videos have been made about the DD experience.  If you want any further info just email me.
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	<title>ESL in the Baltic States, C. &amp; E. Europe... :: Ukraine contracts are illegal</title>
	<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/EslJobsForum-allposts/~3/wJW34TtKJKU/viewtopic.php</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4566" target="_blank"&gt;beachguy69&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Ukraine contracts are illegal&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:44 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 0&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Do you have a contract with your school? Do they hold it over your head? Good news, its worthless to you and them. Why?
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1) They do not pay taxes on you (That's illegal)
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2) They do not pay into the pension fund for you (That's illegal)
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3) You do not have a work permit. (They can not hire or pay you that would be illegal)
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4) You can not stay here for more then 180 days. (Therefore you can not sign a one year contract)
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5) If they try to hold the contract over your head. Tell them you are going to take it to the tax office to see if it is a legal contract.
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6) Good News, They will suddenly become very nice to you.......
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	<title>Getting the ESL Job... :: RE: Need to conduct an Informational Interview in San Diego Area</title>
	<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/EslJobsForum-allposts/~3/FgT2G5ZQxX8/viewtopic.php</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4598" target="_blank"&gt;Solana&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 5:35 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 1&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Hi Tracy,
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I'm currently on my third job teaching English in Japan. I have a B.A. degree from a university in Pennsylvania (though I got it many years ago). I have no TEFL cert. I was a copy editor and secretary in the States before I came over.
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I'd be more than happy to interview with you, online of course. As I have more than one foreign job behind me (in addition to 3 in Japan, I tutored in Spain in the early 80s), and my jobs were not consecutive, I think I can provide you with lots of experiences and perspectives about teaching abroad. Also, I'm a woman and I'm not sure if you know it yet, but we're a numerical minority (the percentages vary between countries) so our experiences in the TEFL world may be radically different from a guy's.
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If you'd be willing to teach me how to use it, I'd be glad to use Skype for our interview. We just need to keep our time zones in mind and we'll find a convenient time.
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In return, if you wouldn't mind, I wonder if I could interview with &lt;span style="font-style: italic"&gt;you&lt;/span&gt; about job and living prospects in San Diego. I lived in L.A. for 16 years before coming here, this contract ends late next month, I'm definitely under the gun, and I'm feeling now that at my age (55) I need to think seriously about &amp;quot;settling&amp;quot; somewhere so I'll have a chance for a retirement when my time comes.
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How about it?
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	<title>ESL Certification Issues... :: RE: English Teaching Master vs. Literature Master</title>
	<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/EslJobsForum-allposts/~3/OMEuQh0RCno/viewtopic.php</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4380" target="_blank"&gt;Ana Maria Ivan&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:30 pm (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 2&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Dear Magus1,
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Thank you very much; it helps a lot. 
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I know about the fact that teaching in Japan is pretty advantageous. 
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However, I have only studied for three years ( Bologna Process) but is it enough?
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Well, thank you again...
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My Best Regards, 
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Ana.
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	<title>Your ESL C.V.... :: RE: CV Guidance required!</title>
	<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/EslJobsForum-allposts/~3/1UJ3EUqkvQ4/viewtopic.php</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4574" target="_blank"&gt;cvmagic.net&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: CVMagic.net - CREATE, SAVE &amp;amp;amp; UPDATE YOUR CV&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:50 pm (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 3&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold"&gt;CVMagic.net at &lt;a href="http://www.cvmagic.net" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.cvmagic.net&lt;/a&gt; is the easiest way to create, save and update your professional looking CV.
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Save your details online and update them as often as you like without having to re-write your CV.
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Select your CV style and your CV is displayed in your browser.
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Print your CV from any online PC straight from your browser or email your CV link to employers so they can see your CV online in all its glory.
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Register now for free at &lt;a href="http://www.cvmagic.net" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.cvmagic.net&lt;/a&gt;
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	<title>ESL in China [Only]... :: Hi all, has anyone heard of one Gregory Mavrides?</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4567" target="_blank"&gt;Magus1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Hi all, has anyone heard of one Gregory Mavrides?&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:09 pm (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 0&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Hi all, I've got a friend who has been having problems with a foreign school owner named Gregory Mavrides, has anyone heard of this fellow? If anyone has any information, can you please send me a PM? Thanks.
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	<title>ESL Certification Issues... :: RE: English Teaching Master vs. Literature Master</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4567" target="_blank"&gt;Magus1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:06 pm (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 2&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;It all depends on where you want to teach. For example, in China and Korea, and even Japan, any degree will do as long as it is 4 years or above. I would say go to Japan, the money is pretty good and it's a lot better work environment than China or Korea.
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A degree in Literature is pretty practical, as were talking about practical usage here. You read a lot of books, dissect and analyze every aspect and nuance, gain great insight into language and comprehension, as well as proper usage. In truth there isn't a whole lot of difference between the two in my opinion. Indeed you can point out differences if one is surgical in their analysis. However, I find that a degree in literature is most practical and useful in regards to teaching English.
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Now in some higher echelon schools you will be required to have that specific degree focused exactly upon that field, however not all have this requirement. As I said, if you want to make some decent money teaching English, try Japan. They are in desperate need of teachers, and all you need is a 4 year degree. Avoid China and Korea unless you have no choice. If you do choose one of these countries, you can make a lot more in Korea, China pays peanuts.
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Hope I have been of some help. Bye &lt;img src="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /&gt;
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	<title>Open ESL Expert Discussion... :: RE: Mixed ability classes - need help</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4567" target="_blank"&gt;Magus1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:15 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 3&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold"&gt;This post has been moderated&lt;/span&gt; UJ
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Clearly you're not breaking the lesson down well enough, though you may think you are.
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Firstly, you don't have three groups, you have one class, and you teach it as one. If the smartest kids there are not being challenged, that's life, at least they are getting a chance to practice their English.
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	<title>Open ESL Expert Discussion... :: RE: Mixed ability classes - need help</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4439" target="_blank"&gt;JustMe&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:07 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 3&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;My problem is not adapting the text. Of course I'm doing that. My biggest problem is that I find that I'm having to teach three classes at one time. How do I divide my time evenly among the three groups? How do I ensure that my more advanced students are getting the challenges they need while still catering to the weakest students? How do I ensure that the weaker students are progressing while challenging my stronger students? How do I keep the middle level students busy while I am working with the other two groups?
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	<title>Training for ESL Teachers... :: RE: TEFL Course Vote</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4572" target="_blank"&gt;ITTP&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:51 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 11&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;I would have to write ITTP but I am also biased &lt;img src="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /&gt;
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Neville &lt;img src="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /&gt;
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ITTP TEFL
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&lt;a href="http://www.tefl-prague.com" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.tefl-prague.com&lt;/a&gt;
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&lt;a href="http://www.tefl-tesol-online.com" target="_blank"&gt;http://www.tefl-tesol-online.com&lt;/a&gt;
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	<title>Getting the ESL Job... :: RE: Why do you want to teach abroad?</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4571" target="_blank"&gt;ParkEnglish&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: English Teaching Jobs in South Korea&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:08 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 24&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;I would teach abroad because of the following reasons:
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1.) International experience
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2.) Opportunity to do something unconventional
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3.) Good pay package
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4.) Meet new people
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5.) Lastly: To make life more Interesting
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	<title>Discrimination Issues in ESL... :: RE: Women teachers wanted in Asia?</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4567" target="_blank"&gt;Magus1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:44 pm (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 8&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;The truth is the ratio is 10 to 1 in favor of men, and can you be surprised? Traveling to the other side of the earth, alone, to teach in a foreign land is hardly something anyone would feel perfectly safe doing, for a woman it's quite intimidating.
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Now, the reasons why schools keep asking for them, depends on the country, however in a lot of cases, especially with countries like Korea, and China especially, is that they are horny guys who want a foreign female teacher to look at, and possibly do more to. The amount of complaints from the few female teachers who come to China for example, are staggering. many women don't complain because they feel stupid or ashamed. The truth is, Asian oriental men are extremely intrigued about foreign women, and they often hire for that reason alone.
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As for balancing things out, I doubt anyone is thinking that when they go to hire a woman, not on such a grand scale. Maybe they feel a she will be more marketable than a he, or maybe they want someone female because they themselves are female. However, most jobs asking for females in the oriental countries are doing so for purely sexualized reasons. Object all you wish, but sadly this is the truth.
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Like I said, some of the people doing the hiring are female, this usually has to do with pre schools and kindergartens however, and yes, such jobs are more babysitting than actual teaching.
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It's really no wonder women fear coming here, men from countries like korea and China usually hire them because they are foreign women, and just as often try to take advantage, were I a woman, I'd not want to come to China either. No wonder the ratio is 10 to 1.
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	<title>ESL Jobs From Home... :: RE: ESL Teaching On The Internet That Pays Well</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4567" target="_blank"&gt;Magus1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:00 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 4&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;I have yet to see any such teaching that pays well. I must admit, if you have a decent webcam, and microphone, there really isn't much if any difference in regards to what you can do online compared to in person. You can cut and paste any pertinent aspects of your lesson, or even email, as well as use real time chat features for text. That being said, people are rather small minded, and they also wish to feel important, hence having you come to them in person, vanity really. I doubt it will ever &lt;span style="font-style: italic"&gt; pay well.&lt;/span&gt;
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	<title>Getting the ESL Job... :: RE: School asked for copy of my passport?</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4568" target="_blank"&gt;ghanshyam&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: About visa&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:27 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 3&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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	<title>Open ESL Expert Discussion... :: RE: Mixed ability classes - need help</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4567" target="_blank"&gt;Magus1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:19 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 3&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Your employer may insist on what text you use, but it is up to you &amp;quot;how: you use it
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Folks, just because a school insists you use a certain text, you don't have to use the lesson plan within it. 
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This text book you are using may indeed be beyond most of the students, so what? It's your job to break it down, and present it in a way everyone can understand. It's called making a lessons plan.
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Even the most complex of things should be able to be explained to the dumbest, most ignorant of people. If you lack the ability to do this, you should not be a teacher.
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Would it be nice if China adopted a more western model, with each class representing roughly the same level? Of course, education would not only be easier, but more effective. however this is China, so logic flies out the window. In this country they throw in enough smart and middle level kids along with the low level dumb ones so that all their classes pass national exams. Little consideration is given to levels and the individual students needs or wants, this country is all about the whole, not the individual.
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Your going to have to break down the text and explain it all in a way that that most of the students understand. Don't adopt a &amp;quot;no student left behind&amp;quot; policy like dumb ass GW Bush did in America, it's not realistic. Some students will be left behind, however your job is to reach as many as possible, and get the &amp;quot;majority&amp;quot; to understand. There will always be a minority that doesn't, that's life, and reality.
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As it is now, your not empathizing enough with your students needs, or putting enough thought into your lesson plans., A good lesson plan is a large part of what makes a good teacher, that and presentation of said plan. If you can't do that part, then you're in big trouble. Think about it. If you'd like to talk further, send me a PM. Good luck.
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	<title>New ESL Teachers... :: RE: Insecurities</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4567" target="_blank"&gt;Magus1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:10 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 11&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Firstly, you're the teacher, not the student. If you make mistakes, you don't joke about it, or even admit it to the students. You don't sweat, you don't show insecurity or weakness of any kind.
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This one student you are speaking of clearly sees your insecurity, because not only are you not trying to hide it, your admitting your mistakes to your students as if they were your equals, who have a say in the matter, they are not, and they do not. Your letting things bother you that should not. You don't ignore it or tolerate it, but you clearly are.
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Also sounds like you're not very good at creating comprehensive lesson plans, which can be a problem also.
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Bottom line, you are the boss, not them. They will never take you seriously or respect you if you are constantly laughing off mistakes, or even admitting them. You are way to self conscious, you do know they can't read your mind, and are likely unaware of any mistakes, don't you? Until you tell them that is. Your constant need to do this shows you are insecure, and looking for validation, this has nothing to do with teaching, and everything to do with your self confidence and self esteem. The students can see all this.
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For starters you need lessons in how to teach, because clearly you don't know how. You don't need to know the proper technical terms to explain grammar, but you must be able to explain it. Use the internet for goodness sake to explore and identify those things you think the students will question, that way you can record the answers and be prepared. Empathy is a big part of being a good teacher, and clearly you're not good at anticipating the students wants or needs.
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You're going about things the wrong way showing you're weak, human side. teachers don't get the respect of their students that way. These are children, and you're treating them like buddies, friends, allowing them far more power and say over not only your class, but how you feel about yourself. You need to put your foot down, stop interacting with them, cease the self deprecation, and be their teacher. You don't need their approval, understanding, or validation, you're not there to feel better about you or work on your issues. You're there to teach them, plain and simple. You can't do that laughing at yourself, letting them know you are laughing at yourself, constantly laughing at mistakes they likely are not aware of, or constantly trying to explain things you can't explain. I would think you were a goof to be made fun of too, you're doing it to yourself after all, why can't I also laugh at you.
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If you want to know more about actually how to teach properly, send me a PM. If your feelings and pride are hurt by this post, then you'd be too proud to learn anyway, so it would be best not to bother me. Either way, you have a lot of work to do.
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	<title>New ESL Teachers... :: RE: No jobs in Argentina so should I pay to get one?</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4567" target="_blank"&gt;Magus1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:01 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 3&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Clearly St George is from an Arab country to make such a ridiculous biased argument. You should never, ever pay a recruiter, no an agent, a recruiter, to find you a job. These people should not be called agents, it's a vague term that means little, agent of what? They are recruiters, calling them, agents makes them sound more legit and on the up and up, which they are not, and it's technically incorrect.
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&amp;quot;Recruiters&amp;quot; are basically scumbags, they will &amp;quot;sell&amp;quot; you to the first school that is willing to hire you, and they don't really care if the school is good or not. What does concern them is whether or not they get paid their commission.
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This &amp;quot;recruiter&amp;quot; you are speaking of is a double dipper, the most greedy kind, who wants to be paid by both you and the school. I'd tell him or her to take a flying leap, and then block their email address.
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Use Google, search for jobs yourself, they are out there. There are many resources you can avail yourself of to find a job, but a recruiter, never. Their best interests are not usually yours, as they only care about getting paid.
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	<title>New ESL Teachers... :: RE: what is needed?</title>
	<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/EslJobsForum-allposts/~3/s9I63AHwfVE/viewtopic.php</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4567" target="_blank"&gt;Magus1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:55 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 5&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Is your face white? Are you a native speaker? Where do you wish to go to teach?
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If the answer is Russia, Europe, Korea, or Japan, than the answer is, you need a degree. If the answer is China, often no degree is required, just a white face and the ability to dance and sometimes sing mammy.
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Seriously though, a degree is not needed in China in many cases, everywhere else, degree is needed.
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You may not find decent work in China, this is true, but that's life, and we all have different ideas of what is decent. You certainly are at a disadvantage, but if you do your research and get the right advice and aid, likely you'd be OK. Oh, and never use or trust a recruiter. Later &lt;img src="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /&gt;
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	<title>New ESL Teachers... :: RE: Is this realistic?</title>
	<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/EslJobsForum-allposts/~3/JGMcKcCvCoc/viewtopic.php</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4567" target="_blank"&gt;Magus1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:52 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 4&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Actually most of those who have already replied are dead wrong. you can indeed support a family outside of the US, especially with your qualifications. For example, someone with your background could with little problem get a job teaching at an international school in China, and make a very good salary. Some international schools, the real ones, will pay upwards of 20 thousand a month. Or, you could teach in Korea, where you can make 2,500 America a month with little problem, likely more with your background. Or, you could teach in Japan, and make 300 thousand yen or more.
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In truth those who replied are dead wrong, you can indeed teach in other countries and raise a family, it just would not be easy, as there would be a transition, then schooling for your kids, but it is more than possible. Do some research on your own, and if you have any questions, PM me, I am sure I can be of assistance. Good luck &lt;img src="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /&gt;
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	<title>New ESL Teachers... :: RE: Is it okay to send a copy of my passport via email?</title>
	<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/EslJobsForum-allposts/~3/GLt3Wvs-BSA/viewtopic.php</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4567" target="_blank"&gt;Magus1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:47 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 4&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;That's not entirely true, as a number of scammers have been caught using the esl gig advertisements as a line to steal passports and personal info for identity theft fraud.
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The reason real schools ask for your passport has nothing to do with applying for any visa, at least not initially, as you don't even have the job yet, it's to verify who you are, as well as where you come from. They also want to know when your passport expires, as often people come to China lacking the time left on their passport to teach here.
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Therefore, what you need to do, is simply use the paint function available in all windows operating systems and erase the passport number at the top and bottom of your passports picture and info page. The school does not need this, they only need to see your name, date of birth, picture, and when it expires. Later, when and if they hire you, and you know they are a real school, you can send them the real deal without the necessary info. I would advise removing the state you were born in as well, as this info can be used to obtain a birth certificate. Believe me, it's not paranoid to be anxious about sending a passport copy, but if you stake these steps I have outlined, you can do so with no worries.
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	<title>ESL in China [Only]... :: RE: Anyone familiar with Xi'an?</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4567" target="_blank"&gt;Magus1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:44 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 1&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Xi'an has a very low cost of living, as well as salary. I have seen few ads for public schools, seems most that teach English there are private.
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The salary seems to average between 5 and 6 thousand a month, though I have seen some jobs offering 7. However, there are many questions you need to ask, such as number of classes a week, and office hours. There are not a lot of English schools in Xi'an compared to other medium to large sized cities in China, so the pay and benefits are not very good there, it's just not competitive enough.
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As for Xi'an itself, it is rather under developed, even for a major city in China, On the plus side everything is rather cheap.
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What you really need to do is search for some advertisements, and than post the details here, or PM me, and I can let you know if it is good, or bad.
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	<title>Getting the ESL Job... :: RE: School asked for copy of my passport?</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4567" target="_blank"&gt;Magus1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:35 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 3&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;That's not entirely true, as a number of scammers have been caught using the esl gig advertisements as a line to steal passports and personal info for identity theft fraud.
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The reason real schools ask for your passport has nothing to do with applying for any visa, at least not initially, as you don't even have the job yet, it's to verify who you are, as well as where you come from. They also want to know when your passport expires, as often people come to China lacking the time left on their passport to teach here.
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Therefore, what you need to do, is simply use the paint function available in all windows operating systems and erase the passport number at the top and bottom of your passports picture and info page. The school does not need this, they only need to see your name, date of birth, picture, and when it expires. Later, when and if they hire you, and you know they are a real school, you can send them the real deal without the necessary info. I would advise removing the state you were born in as well, as this info can be used to obtain a birth certificate. Believe me, it's not paranoid to be anxious about sending a passport copy, but if you take these steps I have outlined, you can do so with no worries.
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	<title>ESL in China [Only]... :: RE: Is 9k in GZ reasonable?</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4567" target="_blank"&gt;Magus1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:57 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 4&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;To say this is a good job right off the bat is unwise and irresponsible.
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Firstly, does it provide health insurance?
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What about accommodation?
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If no accommodation, does it provide a house allowance?
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Do they cover any of your electricity or internet costs?
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If the answers to the above are no, then it is a crap job, and that 9,000 is also crap. Guangzhou is one of the more expensive cities to live, and it also has a highly competitive market. 9,000 in Guangzhou is so so, meaning OK, but certainly not above average, and they had better provide housing
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Are those hours you mentioned actual hours or teaching hours, and if teaching hours, how long are the classes? You need to ask that question as well. To be honest it's a lot of work, lot's of teaching time, and a lot of office hours, office hours which could be used to suck extra work out of you. They could have you interviewing new students, Lord only knows what. Do keep in mind that you're signing up for a 40 hour week.
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Don't listen to &amp;quot;any&amp;quot; recruiters responding to this post or telling you glowing things about how good it sounds, recruiters deal with crap schools that are not good enough to find teachers themselves, or who are not licensed to hire them. Recruiters are the lowest common denominator in the ESL world, and their expectations in regards to what is or is not good pay are far lower than what actually is good pay for most of us. Also, never use a recruiter, as they will try to sell you on any school that will pay their commission. Do keep in mind that recruiters are making 3-4 thousand yuan from the school they are recommending, sometimes more. For that kind of money, it could be the pits and they will give it a glowing review, and they usually do. Also that money comes out of your future pay. never trust a recruiter, find your own jobs, and contact the school yourself.
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My advice, if the answers to most o those questions I listed above are no, is to just keep looking. Good luck.
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	<title>ESL Issues for School Owners... :: RE: Commission to agents</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4567" target="_blank"&gt;Magus1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:41 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 1&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Zero, agents are crap, and not to be trusted, you don't want to be a &amp;quot;recruiter&amp;quot; which is the word you should be using, as it is the correct term. Recruiters in China are scum, you don't want to be one of these scummers, believe me. Find a job that is more ethical and moral, you'll be happier in the long run.
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	<title>ESL in China [Only]... :: RE: Find a job, no! Open a job with me here in Wuhan</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4567" target="_blank"&gt;Magus1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:36 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 1&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;OK, so let me get this straight, you want the foreign teacher to get a Z visa and work permit without having an actual job to get it, yes?
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Dinah, besides having strong opinions about how crappy English teaching is here, something we all already know.  Do you know anything about the ESL industry here? I would say clearly not.
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A foreigner cannot get a Z visa or work permit without being invited to work here by a company legally licensed to hire foreigners. That license is hard to get, and often takes up to five years to get after it has been applied for, if it is given at all. How exactly would a foreigner come here and teach for you, getting the work permit and such, as you say is required, then this is impossible? This shows how you know nothing about ESL here in China, or the process behind hiring foreigners.
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Your idea is basically you starting your own private language school, which you will run and teach in. Do you have a degree in English, applied linguistics, or even a teaching certification, which you are requiring of the foreigners you say you want to hire?
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One thing you are missing is that these private schools like New Oriental, EF, and others, they stink because their &amp;quot;Chinese&amp;quot; management are morons, who like you, have no background in education at all, but are only concerned about making money. They hire people with degrees in horticulture or music, who themselves have nothing but a TEFL certification, which isn't worth much to be honest. Again, you show your ignorance of the ESL world.
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You say you want someone to join you, and be your partner, or be a pure teacher. I read your ad, and it sounds like you would run the show, and the teacher would be your lackey. How is this different than any other teaching arrangement I or others would come to with a private school? I'll tell you, they get to have a permanent buttinski into their classes, who will always be trying to teach and give them advice, even though they likely know more than you about what they are doing. They don't get a free apartment, they don't get airfare reimbursement,  they don't get a contract of any kind, they don't get a legal working visa, or health insurance. Hmm, this deal sounds like real crap, in which you get all the money, and the teacher gets shafted. &amp;quot;Up to 100 per hour&amp;quot; for classes of 5 to 10 students.&amp;quot;? The average hourly wage per individual student in Wuhan is 150 an hour for private tutoring. For 5 or more students maybe 60 an hour. Even if you charge 50 or less a student, you would be making the lions share of the money, while the teacher did all the work. Doesn't partnership mean equal share? Interesting.
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Dinah, all your looking for is some gullible foreigner, and to be that gullible they would have to be a crap teacher like the ones you claim to hate at New Oriental and EF. The truth is, you want to be one of those private school owners, raking in the doe, while the foreign teacher does all the work. I don't have a big problem with what your doing, but your not being at all honest about what you want, or about what the teacher would be in store for. The pay is also crap, and you offer &amp;quot;zero&amp;quot; benefits that make the position worth taking. Sounds like you have made a good argument for ho this &amp;quot;arrangement&amp;quot; you have thought up is good for you, and a really poor showing of how it would be good for the foreign teacher.
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You clearly have not thought your idea through fully, you know nothing about the ESF/EFL business here in China. You know zip about visas and work permits, you know nothing about the licensing required, or about what makes a good teacher, bottom line, you don't know anything, except that private language schools suck, a well known fact.
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If you are truly interested in starting your own school, not just a hobby for yourself that makes you a boat load of cash, and leaves the foreign teacher totally dependent upon you as he munches on cheetos because he can't afford real food send me a private message. Otherwise, I say take your offer elsewhere sister, it's crap and a bad deal for everyone, except you of course.
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	<title>ESL in the Baltic States, C. &amp; E. Europe... :: Ukraine new visa law</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4566" target="_blank"&gt;beachguy69&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Ukraine new visa law&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:31 pm (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 0&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;The new visa law in Ukraine has created a problem for everyone. If you have a business visa you can only stay 90 days. When you leave you cannot return until after another 90 days.
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If you are considering teaching in Ukraine, I would suggest you go somewhere else until things change here.
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	<title>ESL Certification Issues... :: English Teaching Master vs. Literature Master</title>
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	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4380" target="_blank"&gt;Ana Maria Ivan&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: English Teaching Master vs. Literature Master&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:34 pm (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 2&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Hi,
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  my name is Ana Maria Ivan, I have a Bachelor Diploma in German and English Languages ( Univ. &amp;quot;Al. I. Cuza&amp;quot; , Romania), but no formal teaching qualification. I am considering applying for a Master Programme in UK, but I am not sure what Master programme would suit me best right now. An English Teaching Programme would be practical, but I have always had a passion for English Literature, so it would be great if I could somehow combine them both. 
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  I suppose it is very difficult to find a job at a private school with an English Literature Master Diploma, isn't it? I'm not sure what I could do with such a diploma, all I can think of is that one has to do a Doctoral Study afterwards and eventually teach at a university. What do you think about that?  I am also looking for possible funding sources, therefore I have to make a decision pretty soon.
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   Thank you! &lt;img src="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//images/smiles/icon_smile.gif" alt="Smile" border="0" /&gt;
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	<title>New ESL Teachers... :: RE: Is it okay to send a copy of my passport via email?</title>
	<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/EslJobsForum-allposts/~3/s0Fqpw_FDvI/viewtopic.php</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4559" target="_blank"&gt;Carib girl&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Passports&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:55 pm (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 4&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;I'd say do not send your passport.  I tried to apply for an Italy job and was sent back a form asking for my passport number.  Fortunately, I looked online and found that this company was a SCAM!  If the school is reputable, I would assume you would get a contact person's name.  Otherwise, beware!
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	<title>Getting the ESL Job... :: RE: Another scam</title>
	<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/EslJobsForum-allposts/~3/w9X5-XE70qE/viewtopic.php</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=56" target="_blank"&gt;unionjack&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: SCAM&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:48 pm (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 3&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;Thanks for that JJM. We will delete it along with the other scams.
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The telephone number and the email address, in the advertisement, are  different to those given on the  official website
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UJ
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	<title>Getting the ESL Job... :: RE: Another scam</title>
	<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/EslJobsForum-allposts/~3/NVbn3tvS1ss/viewtopic.php</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=3248" target="_blank"&gt;JJM2000&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:56 pm (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 3&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;There's another - Red Bus English school. Again a real school being used by scammers. 
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We offer the following benefits package:
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* Monthly Salary: 3,200EUR
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* Paid furnished housing including private bedroom, kitchen, laundry area, etc.
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* Paid electric, water, and rent.
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* Paid Christmas and Easter vacations
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* Paid Federal holidays off.
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* No Saturday session requirement.
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* Paid round trip and Airport pickup.
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* Plus 3,000Euro severance pay at end of a 1-year contract.
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* Medical insurance.
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&amp;lt;snip&amp;gt;
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This is WAY too good for a school in provincial Italy. At least three times the going rate I'd say.
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	<title>ESL Academic Degrees... :: RE: no degree</title>
	<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/EslJobsForum-allposts/~3/azjqQk6hy5E/viewtopic.php</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4439" target="_blank"&gt;JustMe&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:18 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 6&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;I've met highly qualified teachers who don't teach at all well, while some teachers with few qualifications are excellent. In many ways it depends on the person. Unfortunately many people think that because they are native speakers of English they can just go and teach. There are a number of language schools who agree with them. I did my MA in TESOL so I could get a better job, but I think that my ESL certificate and experience were of the most benefit to my teaching. Without that, I don't think that the MA would have been any benefit at all.
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	<title>New ESL Teachers... :: RE: what is needed?</title>
	<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/EslJobsForum-allposts/~3/Zrla67ggIiM/viewtopic.php</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4439" target="_blank"&gt;JustMe&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:06 am (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 5&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;If you don't have a degree, you won't get a very good job, but it's not impossible. You will definitely need some kind of teaching certificate. If you get one that has a supervised teaching component, it will make getting a job a lot easier.
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	<title>ESL to Adult Learners... :: Fun Idiomatic Expressions for ESL Students - Comparisons</title>
	<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/EslJobsForum-allposts/~3/Hnreg9MX_w8/viewtopic.php</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4411" target="_blank"&gt;englishlci&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Fun Idiomatic Expressions for ESL Students - Comparisons&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:08 pm (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 0&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;It is inevitable and unavoidable. When you’re an ESL student you’ll sooner or later run across idiomatic expressions that will basically have you either scratching your head in puzzlement or laughing out loud. Though they may seem strange and unnatural to you, it is recommended that you try to learn some, at least a few at a time. But before you can effectively use these expressions, you must understand them and know in which contexts they’re used. There are idioms with food, expressions related to sports, and then there are comparisons with “as…as”. These last prove to be particularly interesting and fun to learn. Let’s look at some idiomatic expressions that use the construction “as…as”:
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As blind as a bat: to have very bad eyesight. You can't read this? You're as blind as a bat!
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As cool as a cucumber: calm and not at all nervous. The result of the negotiation depended on this meeting, but Bob was as cool as a cucumber.
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As easy as pie: very easy. I’m sure I did well on the test; it was as easy as pie!
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As fit as a fiddle: in good physical condition. She goes to Pilates classes and runs for an hour every day. She's as fit as a fiddle.
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As free as a bird: feeling free, with no cares or worries. I remember how I felt the first day of summer vacation. I was as free as a bird. 
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As happy as a clam: very happy and content. I was as happy as a clam living in Hawaii; the beaches were beautiful, I played lots of outdoor sports, and the people were so nice.
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As hard as nails: very tough and cruel. As a supervisor, Tom was as hard as nails; nobody wanted to work with him.
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As pleased as punch: to be very happy with something. The design she had worked on for a week was finished and looking great. She was as pleased as punch.
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As quiet as a mouse: very quiet. Sarah got home at 3 am and didn’t want to wake up her parents, so naturally, she was as quiet as a mouse going up the stairs.
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As sick as a dog: very sick. Alice went home early from school because she felt as sick as a dog. She had a fever and felt very, very weak. 
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As sly as a fox: very clever and smart. She was able to take advantage of a very negative situation. That's because she's as sly as a fox.
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As stubborn as a mule: to be very determined not to change an opinion or decision. She's as stubborn as a mule, particularly when she’s sick. There is no way to convince her to consult a doctor. 
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So, here you have some great comparisons to get you started. But as an ESL student you must remember this: these are hardly ever used in formal situations, business meetings, or whenever you speak to someone you don’t know very well. Try practicing these in your &lt;a href="http://www.englishlci.com/" target="_blank" class="postlink"&gt;esl Class&lt;/a&gt;. You'll surprise your teacher and she’ll be as pleased as punch!
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If you liked this article, tell all your friends about it. They’ll thank you for it. If you have a blog or website, you can link to it or even post it to your own site (don’t forget to mention EnglishLCI
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Rachel Clarkson
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esl school
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	<title>Links to Your Website... :: cvExpres, work in Spain as a teacher in schools and academ.</title>
	<link>http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/EslJobsForum-allposts/~3/F0Z_WB4-6WA/viewtopic.php</link>
	<description>Author: &lt;a href="http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com//profile.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=4556" target="_blank"&gt;santi21&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: cvExpres, work in Spain as a teacher in schools and academ.&lt;br /&gt;
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:06 pm (GMT 1)&lt;br /&gt;
Topic Replies: 0&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;span class="postbody"&gt;cvExpres is a service specialized on the distribution of the curriculum vitae among academies and prívate schools in Spain. If you want to work in Spain as a teacher in a private school or academie, our service can help you.
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We can send your curriculm by regular mail or by email to the type of schools and academies you are interested in and where you choose within the Spanish territory.
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