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Careful explanations given in the books lay the foundation for what is contained here.  If you read this blog without having first read his books, then you assume responsibility for your own misunderstanding and misinterpretation of the writer's intent.  Please do not presume to judge Mr. Snuffer's intentions if you have not first read his books.</subtitle><link rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://denversnuffer.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://denversnuffer.blogspot.com/" /><link rel="next" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25&amp;redirect=false&amp;v=2" /><author><name>Denver Snuffer</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13850530477432070456</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><generator version="7.00" uri="http://www.blogger.com">Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>734</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><atom10:link xmlns:atom10="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer" /><feedburner:info uri="fromthedeskofdenversnuffer" /><atom10:link xmlns:atom10="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" rel="hub" href="http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/" /><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;C0MCQnc7cSp7ImA9WhRaE0s.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-510142706937612819</id><published>2012-02-15T20:04:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2012-02-15T20:04:23.909-07:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2012-02-15T20:04:23.909-07:00</app:edited><title>First Impression</title><content type="html">The interview I did for &lt;b&gt;Mormon Stories&lt;/b&gt; has an introductory title designed to grab attention and get the followers of that site to listen to the interview. I presume most of that audience is unacquainted with what I've written. I know John Dehlin had not read any of the books I've written before interviewing me. He did read some of the posts on this blog, but has not completed reading any book I've written and has a copy of only one of them. He had limited information from which to conduct the interview.&lt;br /&gt;
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The impetus for doing the interview came from recommendations John Dehlin&amp;nbsp;received from others who had read some of my writings. He followed up on the recommendation, and persuaded me to participate.&lt;br /&gt;
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In some of the reactions to the interview, his audience has presumed the headline title to the podcast is an accurate representation of what I'm all about. It's rather attention grabbing to say that someone "Claims to Have Seen Christ." That was a deliberate attempt on John Dehlin's part to get someone who knows nothing about me and knows nothing about my work to listen to the podcast. It gives the impression to a stranger&amp;nbsp;that I wear that claim&amp;nbsp;on my sleeve. That I am a braggart. Worse still, that I have little regard for the sacred and tend to profane deeply personal experiences and to parade them about as if it made me noteworthy. If that were true, I would think such a person would be unbelievable. Therefore, when the listener's reaction is indignation, I can understand that. It is reasonable.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the other hand, if someone had actually read my writings, they would find there is almost nothing of me in them. I write about doctrine, history and scriptural exegesis. Even &lt;i&gt;The Second Comforter&lt;/i&gt; is a book about the reader, not the writer. It gets inside the person reading it and causes them to reflect on their own relationship with God. To the extent that I am mentioned, it is in the context of my failings, shortcomings and mistakes. The reader is walked through the process of overcoming their own failings, following a path, and undoing their mistakes. At the end the reader should be better acquainted with their own deepest desires, and regard me as little more than a flawed, but believing fellow-sojourner in this challenging predicament of mortality.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am not bothered by the first impression given by the title. The best reaction I can think of to what I've written would be this: "I can't stand Denver Snuffer; but what he has written is of value to me." That reaction will do two things: First, it will establish a proper view of my irrelevance. Second, it will focus on the ideas advanced, which are in my view, a reflection of the Lord's plan to rescue us all from our fallen condition.&lt;br /&gt;
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Those who collect their first impression of me from John Dehlin's headline will be quite disappointed to find there is very little of me in anything written. Or, perhaps not disappointed, but rather relieved. Either way, I am not responsible for the way he has titled the matter and have no complaints about the way he did. After all, he came into the interview without an adequate basis to know anything about the work I've been doing. Knowing almost nothing about that work, I thought he did an admirable job of asking critical, important and relevant questions. As a composer of headlines, I suppose he displays a flair for that, as well.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-510142706937612819?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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If you choose to listen, the interview is approximately 2 1/2 hours. I had no input on the questions asked and no input on the title of the interview.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;
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"Thus saith the voice of the spirit to me, if thy Brother Joseph Smith will attend the feast at thy house this day (at 12 ocl) they poor &amp;amp; lame will rejoice at his presence &amp;amp; also think themselves honored.&lt;br /&gt;
"Yours in friendship &amp;amp; Love&lt;br /&gt;
"NKW"&amp;nbsp; (See Dean Jesse, &lt;i&gt;The Papers of Joseph Smith&lt;/i&gt;, vol. 2, pp. 130-131.)&lt;br /&gt;
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Joseph responded by immediately canceling the Hebrew school that day and attending with his wife, father and mother the feast for the poor offered by Bishop Whitney.&lt;br /&gt;
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Clearly, the idea that another person could receive revelation that involved even the church president was not an apostate idea during Joseph's day as it is in ours.&amp;nbsp;Bishop Whitney was not rebuked by Joseph. Instead he and his revelation were honored by Joseph responding, attending the feast and being grateful for the invitation.&lt;br /&gt;
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Since Joseph Smith received the early revelations setting the order for the church, and yet responded to Bishop Whitney's revelation to him, it&amp;nbsp;suggests our current view of limits on who can get revelation may not be the same as Joseph understood them.&lt;br /&gt;
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It is another interesting topic worth studying in our history to help us understand how the Lord really operates. We should be careful about adopting formulas as the solution to something when the conduct of the Prophet through whom the revelation came did not apply it consistently the same way we do today.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-122217678393888006?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;a href="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/8344ZMGxTkIViP2ZWvhbhy5nMGw/1/da"&gt;&lt;img src="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/8344ZMGxTkIViP2ZWvhbhy5nMGw/1/di" border="0" ismap="true"&gt;&lt;/img&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~4/E-6PrdGei30" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/122217678393888006?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/122217678393888006?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~3/E-6PrdGei30/bishop-whitneys-revelation-to-joseph.html" title="Bishop Whitney's Revelation to Joseph Smith" /><author><name>Denver Snuffer</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13850530477432070456</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><feedburner:origLink>http://denversnuffer.blogspot.com/2012/02/bishop-whitneys-revelation-to-joseph.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;D0YDQn86fip7ImA9WhRaEUg.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-46133770896771948</id><published>2012-02-13T08:08:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2012-02-13T10:46:13.116-07:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2012-02-13T10:46:13.116-07:00</app:edited><title>Valentine's Day</title><content type="html">We have a few thanks to dispense for Valentine's Day:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Rome, for killing Christians.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Roman Catholicism for honoring the killed Christians.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Pope Gelasius I for designating the Feast of St. Valentine. His decision would be rescinded by Pope Paul VI, but by then it was too late to undo the celebration.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Valentine (there may have been three of them sharing the same name)&amp;nbsp;for giving his (their)&amp;nbsp;life as a martyr(s) to a hostile Rome.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Chaucer&amp;nbsp;for turning the day into something romantic.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hallmark for dramatically&amp;nbsp;pushing the commercial opportunity in the day.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Wall Street, candy makers, jewelry sellers, teddy-bear companies, and the detritus of commercialism that exploits the relationship between those who care for one another for preying on insecurities and using it to lever us into purchasing stuff.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Commercial television, radio, the Internet, newspapers and outdoor advertising for their contributions to the selling and buying frenzy now associated with the day.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
And last and least of all me - for reminding you who bother to come to this blog today or tomorrow that tomorrow is Valentine's Day and you ought to do something to note the event. In homage to Chaucer, that ought to be romantic, but in rebellion against the commercialism of our day, make it an act or write a poem (or if you're incapable of that then a letter), or show some kindness instead of making a purchase.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Now, I gotta figure something out myself.... because I really do love her and want that idea to be clear in her mind. And the commercialism of the event makes it clear is MUST be observed.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-46133770896771948?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
The first level is what could be&amp;nbsp;described using any of the following terms, some favorable and some insulting:&lt;br /&gt;
Faith Promoting&lt;br /&gt;
Sunday School's version&lt;br /&gt;
General Conferencesque&lt;br /&gt;
Faithful&lt;br /&gt;
Testimony Building&lt;br /&gt;
Sanitized&lt;br /&gt;
Limited&lt;br /&gt;
Burning-in-the-bosom inspiring&lt;br /&gt;
True&lt;br /&gt;
Incomplete&lt;br /&gt;
Propaganda&lt;br /&gt;
One-sided&lt;br /&gt;
Censored&lt;br /&gt;
Correlated&lt;br /&gt;
Official&lt;br /&gt;
Entirely Trustworthy&lt;br /&gt;
Missing Important Details&lt;br /&gt;
(many others)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
These descriptors reflect the point of view of the one using them. Depending on the person's vantage point, they describe the view a certain way. Interestingly, there are people of great faith who would feel comfortable using some of the more pejorative terms.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The second level could be described in&amp;nbsp;any of the following&amp;nbsp;equally contradictory terms:&lt;br /&gt;
Critical&lt;br /&gt;
Historically Accurate&lt;br /&gt;
The Full Story&lt;br /&gt;
Anti-Mormon&lt;br /&gt;
Faith Destroying&lt;br /&gt;
Sanitized&lt;br /&gt;
Incomplete&lt;br /&gt;
Propaganda&lt;br /&gt;
One-Sided&lt;br /&gt;
Faithless&lt;br /&gt;
More Trustworthy&lt;br /&gt;
Candid&lt;br /&gt;
Including Important Details&lt;br /&gt;
Unofficial&lt;br /&gt;
Not Allowed in Sunday School&lt;br /&gt;
Forbidden&lt;br /&gt;
True&lt;br /&gt;
Uncensored&lt;br /&gt;
(many others)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
These descriptors overlap with the first and begin to show the problem of the first two category approach (thesis/antithesis). Once again, despite the fact some are unflattering, these second level descriptors&amp;nbsp;could be used by people of faith who strongly believe in the Restoration.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This leads to the final&amp;nbsp;level where Bro. Peterson&amp;nbsp;proposes it is possible to return to something akin to the first level, but with "a richer and more complicated version of history." This is the happy ending of the process.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This kind of&amp;nbsp;orderly progression is becoming more difficult by the day. The Internet has introduced a new world. The result of that explosion in available information has made the first level an island of isolated views. Anyone participating in such lessons can return home (or even sit in class), go on-line and look further into anything said by the instructor or manual. What was once "Fantasy Island" is now just a peninsula being besieged. It cannot thrive any longer in pretended isolation. The barbarians are already inside the gate.&lt;br /&gt;
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If the church persists in imposing the first level as its stock-in-trade, the "apostasy" Bro. Marlin Jensen speaks about will continue. The first level cannot sustain a day long shelf life anymore. We need to drop the pretense of having all antiseptic characters, living or dead. History needs to unfold. It WILL still be faith promoting. But the faith it will promote will be more hearty, robust, realistic and enduring. We will become acquainted with characters who at times made serious mistakes, were struggling, befuddled, headed in the wrong direction, but suffered for their mistakes and came to peace with faith despite the pain of this mortal realm.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The basic argument of Bro. Peterson is absolutely correct. The Restoration WILL stand up to history. In a much more marvelous way than it does in the first level of wasted effort. That may have been good in an era of limited information, and may still&amp;nbsp;be good for the Primary children. By the time they are age 12, the complications of life and the failures of mortals should be introduced and discussed. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Why hide George Albert Smith's mental illness? Why avoid the origins of his mental instability? Why not let those who suffer from similar maladies know there has been a church president with such serious problems? Why use the pedestal to support a fictional character? Why not let him emerge as the frail, likable man he was?&lt;br /&gt;
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Why not take the initiative as saints to go to the third level voluntarily? Why not acknowledge, face and discuss the very matters that are costing people their faith right now? Why let them discover the problems from hostile sources instead of from friendly sources? Why not strengthen one another in our faithful search for the truth, rather than let those who dispense historical events from a perspective which challenges faith get the first chance to tell our children and our converts? When they do that they gain credibility and we lose it.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-2122520803703338459?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;a href="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/OYBC2lVhm_6t6rC8HOWkh8W8ryk/1/da"&gt;&lt;img src="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/OYBC2lVhm_6t6rC8HOWkh8W8ryk/1/di" border="0" ismap="true"&gt;&lt;/img&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~4/sFILK7lyOiU" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/2122520803703338459?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/2122520803703338459?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~3/sFILK7lyOiU/standing-up-to-history.html" title="Standing Up To History" /><author><name>Denver Snuffer</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13850530477432070456</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><feedburner:origLink>http://denversnuffer.blogspot.com/2012/02/standing-up-to-history.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;DkAER3oyfSp7ImA9WhRbGEk.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-550490944098868959</id><published>2012-02-09T08:04:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2012-02-09T20:31:46.495-07:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2012-02-09T20:31:46.495-07:00</app:edited><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="fullness of the gospel" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="repentance" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="prophets" /><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="evelasting covenant" /><title>"Some of Christ"</title><content type="html">I was asked in an email what the words "some of Christ" means in &lt;a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/76.100?lang=eng#99"&gt;Section 76, verse 100&lt;/a&gt;. The verse reads:&amp;nbsp; "These are they who say they are some of one and some of another—some of Christ and some of John, and some of Moses, and some of Elias, and some of Esaias, and some of Isaiah, and some of Enoch[.]" This verse occurs in a larger explanation of those who are damned because of their false religious beliefs (or more correctly, their unbelief).&amp;nbsp;The larger explanation begins in &lt;a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/76.97-107?lang=eng#96"&gt;verse 97 and goes through verse 107&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;
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The context of these verses about&amp;nbsp;false religion makes it clear those who practice it accept&amp;nbsp;messengers who have been actually sent by the Lord with a&amp;nbsp;warning from Him. The names of John, Moses, Elias, Isaiah and Enoch, for example, are names of those who were known to the Lord and entrusted by Him with a message of repentance from Him. However, despite the truthfulness of the messenger and the authentic origin of their message, the recipients have gone astray. They imagine their claim to follow the man is a substitute for receiving the message of repentance. They take pride in their status as followers of true messengers while neglecting the message to repent.&lt;br /&gt;
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In the case of Christ, it is no different. They claim to be "of Christ" by associating His name with their brand of unbelief. They use His name in vain, however, because their practices and hearts are not inclined to follow His teachings, to endure His cross, to suffer the rejection which comes from this world and the worldly, and to give up honor, friends and family to follow Him. (See, e.g., &lt;a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/luke/12.51-53?lang=eng#50"&gt;Luke 12: 51-53&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/mark/10.29-30?lang=eng#28"&gt;Mark 10: 29-30&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;
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The crux of their defect is set out in verse 101: "But received not the gospel, neither the testimony of Jesus, neither the prophets, neither the everlasting covenant." These are four things:&lt;br /&gt;
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1. The Gospel. You need to know that that term really means. If you do not, then you have not received it. You have claimed, like these others, to be "of Christ" without ever comprehending what His Gospel includes and does not include.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
2. The "testimony of Jesus." Do you know what that term means?&amp;nbsp;Do you imagine it is something you state or something you declare? Have you considered Jesus may have His own testimony which He will give to you? Have you imagined you can receive His testimony without ever entering His presence? What would Jesus' testimony necessarily include?&lt;br /&gt;
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3. The failure to receive "the prophets." This is something different than merely following the prophet, because we saw in the earlier verses the hosts who claim to follow the prophets John, Moses, Isaiah, Enoch, etc. were damned. To receive is different than to follow. But implicit in the phrase, also, is the ability to actually discern when a prophet is sent.&lt;br /&gt;
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4.&amp;nbsp;The failure to receive "the everlasting covenant." This, also, may not be what you imagine. Joseph Smith spoke often about the everlasting covenant. It is worth a good deal of study if you have interest in knowing about those things. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To claim to be "of Christ" without having received His Gospel, heard from Him His own testimony, recognized and received the message to repent from a prophet, not just to say but to do, and to thereby receive the everlasting covenant from heaven, these are the meaningless claims which will damn. Those who fail to do so but still claim to be "of Christ" will be like the liars and thieves who are left suffering until the final resurrection. They will suffer the wrath of God. Their pride will be burned away by the things they suffer. Then will they lament, "O that we had repented in the day that the word of the Lord came unto us." (See &lt;a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/hel/13.36?lang=eng#35"&gt;Helaman 13: 36&lt;/a&gt;.) Such people are religious, in fact very much so. They are eager to claim the status of a follower of the prophets. They boast they follow them. They think themselves better than others precisely because they claim to worship true prophets who will save them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
But without the Gospel, they are damned.&amp;nbsp;Without the testimony from Jesus they are damned. Without receiving the prophetic message to repent, awake and arise, they are damned. And without&amp;nbsp;these first three they are unable to receive the everlasting covenant. Therefore, they depart this world proudly, filled with unbelief and foolish pride from their false religion, and enter into their suffering.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-550490944098868959?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
The answer given by Marlin Jensen was very interesting and raises another matter about current church decision-making. When the idea of broadmindedness was raised in the context of church history, Bro. Jensen responded by speaking about homosexuality. Church history was gone, and instead his mind turned to the need for tolerance - and that meant homosexuals. It was almost a complete disconnect of topics, but quite important to understanding the internal discussion underway at the top of the church presently.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This apparent change-of-subject shows how important the present "tolerance of homosexuality" discussion has become. When Pres. Packer's comments about homosexuality as sinful behavior in a general conference talk are edited before they appear in the conference issue of the Ensign, you can know there is a great deal of internal discussion underway. Editing Bro. Poelman's talk is one thing, but editing a talk given by the President of the Quorum of the Twelve is altogether another.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Jim Dabakis is the Chairman of the Utah Democratic Party. He was a radio personality at KTKK when I did a call-in radio show for seven years during the 1980's. He is an articulate, affable and intelligent man. He is also openly homosexual and an advocate for increased legal protection for the homosexual community. His negotiation successes include persuading the LDS Church to speak in favor of Salt Lake City's recently adopted anti-discrimination ordinance. This ordinance protects a homosexual's rights to housing and employment in Salt Lake. The City Council would not have voted in favor of the ordinance if the church had not spoken in favor of it. And the church would not have done so if Jim Dabakis had not successfully advocated and persuaded them to do so.&lt;br /&gt;
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The success in persuading the church to go from Proposition 8 opposition in California, to advocating adoption of a gay-rights ordinance in Salt Lake City in just a few short months is not possible without the leadership of church at the highest level actively discussing and troubling over the issue.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
When Marlin Jensen's mind goes from a question about troubling history and tolerance of differing views of our past, immediately to tolerance of homosexuality, that is not so bizarre a jump as you might think. It is a reflection of the current discussion underway at the very top of the church.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Public opinion is shifting. Particularly among the younger Americans. The trends all suggest that acceptance of homosexual conduct as normal will be shared by the majority of Americans. Those holding contrary views are aging and dying, and those who hold the more open and accepting view are replacing them. Unless opinions change this is the inevitable result.&lt;br /&gt;
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Any organization that is sensitive to survey's and polling to determine public opinion on the topic of homosexuality will discover growing demographic evidence of inevitable majority acceptance. Therefore, if you are going to make decisions on the basis of public opinions, you are going to respond to this shifting view.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Given Bro. Jensen's immediate response to the trigger word "tolerance" by introducing homosexuality into the conversation, it is apparent the church is quite actively discussing this issue. Additionally, given the censorship of the talk given by President Packer (the current President of the Quorum of the Twelve) in general conference on the subject, it appears there is an unmistakable alignment of the leadership's inclinations with public opinion. &lt;br /&gt;
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It will be interesting to watch this issue unfold. For those who believe the practice of homosexuality is wrong because it frustrates the Divine order, and is desolating to humanity because it ends the continuation of family life through the union of the sexes, the idea of church approval for such relations is unthinkable. For more socially progressive Mormons who wish to be aligned with popular opinion, it is a relief to have another divisive issue excised from the principles of Mormon religion. &lt;br /&gt;
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When an abomination that renders sexual relations desolate (they don't produce offspring) occurs in the holy place, you can know the promised destruction is soon at hand. Christ said those living in that day would live to see the end of the world. (See &lt;a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/js-m/1.32-36?lang=eng#31"&gt;JS-M 1: 32-36&lt;/a&gt;.) The way to decide when the virtue of tolerance becomes the wickedness of permissiveness can only be done by those who treasure up His (Christ's) words. (&lt;a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/js-m/1.37?lang=eng#36"&gt;JS-M 1: 37&lt;/a&gt;.) For those few willing to do so, the Lord will send angels to gather them. (Id., see also &lt;a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/77.11?lang=eng#10"&gt;D&amp;amp;C 77: 11&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;
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Some say it is good to be popular. It is better to not care. It is best to have an eye single to the word of the Lord.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-4354282756250295696?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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The mission of Elijah is so important to the wrapping up of God's strange act that the prophecy about his return before the great and dreadful day of the Lord appears in every volume of scripture. From the Old Testament to the Pearl of Great Price, it is mentioned repeatedly. &lt;br /&gt;
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When we discover Joseph Smith speaking of Elijah's return as a future event in 1844, we get our first hint that our current doctrine on the subject may need further examination. However, if we only know the popular story borne out of Orson Pratt's analysis in the Deseret Evening News of D&amp;amp;C 110 when it was found and first published, then raising the issue seems unnecessary. Since you think you know the truth already, a reexamination seems stupid. Do you look into the matter, and risk discovering there have been historic, and therefore, doctrinal errors made for 160 years on Elijah's mission? Do you think this is important enough to study it again?&lt;br /&gt;
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We are the subject and object of many Book of Mormon prophecies. Some of them hold us up in a rather negative light. They seem to suggest we are riddled with mistakes and errors. That we have gone far astray, and are being led to err in many instances. Those prophecies do not trouble us, however, if we accept the self-vindicating narrative that we've been headed in the right direction all along.&lt;br /&gt;
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One of the things that helps orient an historical analysis is the language of scripture. If the scriptures warn us against thinking all is well in our version of Zion, and tells us to never resist hearing more of the word of God, and further tells us (repeatedly) not to trust the arm of flesh, what does this mean? We have a popular account of events that more or less suggests all is well. We are God's chosen. We have the power to save ourselves. We have a great body of revelation to guide us and don't need much revelation anymore. And some of what Joseph Smith talked about we don't really know much about and aren't sure we believe anyway. We are safe, and the odds are we'll all be exalted. Those ideas are the polar opposite of what the Book of Mormon says about us. Should the Book of Mormon provide us the themes to apply to our history, or do they not matter at all? If we allow the Book of Mormon to inform the dialogue, then do we reconcile the disparity between our claims and the prophetic text&amp;nbsp;by re-looking&amp;nbsp; at our history, or instead merely by trusting we are led that in no instance do we currently err?&lt;br /&gt;
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People of good faith, who believe in Mormonism, can differ in their conclusions about matters.&amp;nbsp;Those differences are not signs of apostasy or evil. They are, in fact, healthy. They ought to be the source from which stimulating discussion and deep thought comes. An unexamined and superficial belief system is always vulnerable to collapse. A thoughtful and reflective believer does not fly to pieces when something new is told to them. They are already acquainted with the idea and practice of prayerfully and through personal revelation considering and reconsidering their faith. New ideas do not cause despair, but become part of the normal process for them. They consider, suspend judgment, study, reflect, pray and then reach a careful conclusion. The conclusion is put into the larger framework and any necessary adjustments are considered, adapted or corrected, and faith improves. This process is allowed to work over and over as they explore their faith more deeply.&lt;br /&gt;
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The environment of Mormonism is not conducive to healthy discussion at the moment. Correlation and the need for central control has preempted the kind of healthy intellectual inquiry that is needed to solve the present crisis of apostasy. History should be allowed to be merely our true, unembellished, unprotected history. Not a tool for propaganda used by central planners to accomplish a desired end. Using it that way in an information-based society invites the disaster presently unfolding.&lt;br /&gt;
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I believe in Mormonism. I cherish the faith. It is vibrant and resilient. It does not need institutional protection - borne out of fear. Efforts to protect have, in fact, injured the faith and discredited this approach.&lt;br /&gt;
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History matters. May we allow it to become the source of truth informing our open discussions, rather than a tool to be manipulate and manage people. Managing people is a dark enterprise. Inform them and allow them the freedom to choose to govern themselves. That is what the Prophet Joseph Smith did. The mere ambition to control people is the beginning of a dark trail that leads to the imprisonment of souls. Not just those who are the targets, but more importantly the souls of those with the ambition. It should be repugnant to anyone claiming to be a saint to allow anyone to control them. Unless they are willing to retain for themselves their right to choose, and then exercise their choice in a responsible and well informed way, they deceive themselves. Saints are made of sterner stuff. They do not recoil from the obligation, difficulty, pain&amp;nbsp;and work necessary to have their minds mirror the mind of God. Surrendering to other men the responsibility devolving on yourself will never happen. But, then again,&amp;nbsp;mankind rarely produces a saint.&lt;br /&gt;
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Vanity and pride are no substitute for sainthood. Arrogance and flattery from leaders will not produce a saint either. It comes from man reaching up to God, and God answering the honest petition of the humble soul, reaching down to him. Contact with God will inevitably lead to sainthood. False ideas and incomplete or misleading history will prevent that contact from happening.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-3708536701755408646?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Jesus was confronted by the Pharisee lawyers and accused of breaking the law. He and His disciples had taken plucked wheat (labor of harvesting), then rubbed them in their hands (threshing), and eaten it on the Sabbath. (&lt;a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/luke/6.1-2?lang=eng#primary"&gt;Luke 6: 1-2&lt;/a&gt;.) As His explanation Jesus reminded the accusers of an earlier incident involving King David and his men. They had eaten the showbread which, under the law, was forbidden to be eaten by any but a priest. (&lt;a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/luke/6.3-4?lang=eng#2"&gt;Luke 6: 3-4&lt;/a&gt;.) This incident involving David was the precedent Jesus pointed to as justification. (&lt;a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/1-sam/21.1-6?lang=eng#primary"&gt;1 Sam. 21: 1-6&lt;/a&gt;.) The law said only Aaron and his descendants could eat this bread. (&lt;a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/lev/24.5-9?lang=eng#4"&gt;Lev. 24: 5-9&lt;/a&gt;.) However, Jesus relied on an incident from history to justify His and the disciples' conduct. If the history showed it could be done, then Jesus questioned the "righteousness" of complaining about the matter.&lt;br /&gt;
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There are hundreds of other examples to draw from, but this illustrates the point. History is the mill whose grist is the stuff from which we construct doctrine. It matters. If we do not comprehend it, we cannot sort through the dangling statements that get tossed about unanchored. We do not understand their original real meaning. One of the problems of fourth phase Mormonism is the apparent corruption of our vocabulary. We use the same words as the first phase, but we have&amp;nbsp;adopted altogether different meanings&amp;nbsp;for them. Meaning arises from context. Context comes from history.&lt;br /&gt;
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Joseph gazed into heaven for more than five minutes. He knew more than if you had read everything that had ever been written on the subject. (&lt;i&gt;TPJS&lt;/i&gt; p. 324.) He was succeeded by Brigham Young, who lamented he had never seen an angel or entertained a heavenly being. Therefore, it is important to study Brigham Young's qualifications in contrast to Joseph Smith's qualifications. If you understand Joseph had the heavens opened to him a number of times, including several audiences with both the Father and Son, you put Joseph's remarks into one category. If you understand that Brigham Young never had a similar experience, then you put Brigham Young's into another category. When Joseph is contradicted by Brigham, the first effort should be to reconcile or attempt to harmonize the two men's statements. If you cannot reconcile them with one another, you can use the knowledge you have about each of them to choose which one you will rely on. The same would also be true of others. We study the history to learn what the qualifications are/were for any of God's chosen leaders, what God showed to them, whether the heavens have opened to them, and exactly what they knew, or did not know when they contradict Joseph.&lt;br /&gt;
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History&amp;nbsp;must&amp;nbsp;be true to be useful. If it is inaccurate or incomplete we can reach one conclusion only to find we have made a mistake because there was much more (or less) to the event. The events on August 8, 1844 are critical. If there was a transfiguration of Brigham Young on that day, then we can assume God was directly involved in solving the succession dilemma. If there was no transfiguration of Brigham, then God was not directly involved, and the outcome is a product of our common consent and still binding on the saints. Although binding, if the transfiguration did not happen, then the "precedent" is administrative and voluntary, and not a sign of God's desire to have the precedent followed forever thereafter. It is nothing more than an agreement among the saints on how to proceed &lt;br /&gt;
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This is important. Before June 27, 1844, the question of who would succeed Joseph Smith as the&amp;nbsp;church president was known. Joseph's successor would be Hyrum Smith, but Hyrum died with Joseph. Before June 27th, the question of what was to be done upon the death of both Joseph and Hyrum was never contemplated. There was no answer to the question.&lt;br /&gt;
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In the debates of August 8th no one urged the provisions of &lt;a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/107?lang=eng"&gt;Section 107&lt;/a&gt; as a revealed outcome for succession. The language of that revelation has since become the scriptural basis for how we proceed, but it was not thought&amp;nbsp;to be relevant in the first debate over succession. &lt;a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/107?lang=eng"&gt;Section 107&lt;/a&gt; is anything but a definite answer to the question. If you adopt our system, and then use 107 to justify our system, it seems to fit, but there is another, more relevant solution found elsewhere. &lt;a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/43.3-4?lang=eng#2"&gt;Doctrine &amp;amp; Covenants 43: 3-4&lt;/a&gt; was used to appoint Hyrum Smith to succeed Joseph.&amp;nbsp;The appointment was made by revelation in &lt;a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/124.94-95?lang=eng#93"&gt;Section 124: 94-95&lt;/a&gt;. This was the scriptural pattern, and the pattern followed in the case of Hyrum.&lt;br /&gt;
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Brigham Young's arguments at the time were not as&amp;nbsp;clear about succession as we have made them by our adopting the method of apostolic succession based on seniority. Brigham Young admitted that Joseph Smith's sons had a right to be the church's leader and he was only a caretaker awaiting their development.&amp;nbsp;He explained that since they had never converted to the church, they were not able to lead, and so he served in their absence.&lt;br /&gt;
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History and the scriptures allow for a&amp;nbsp;different method for succession. In the final analysis it is nothing more than the common consent of the church that has elected Brigham Young and all his successors to the offices they have held. Our last descendant of Hyrum Smith, occupying the office of Patriarch to the Church, is now 105 years old, emeritus, and not likely to be succeeded when he passes. The Smith Family male line will be out of the top level of the hierarchy. Of course, there are female line descendants who are there, including Elder Ballard. But direct male line descendants&amp;nbsp;are gone or will be when the Patriarch Emeritus passes on.&lt;br /&gt;
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Does that matter? What was the point of having that office? Was it important to the church's organization? Why was Hyrum the successor to Joseph? Why did Brigham&amp;nbsp;Young expect a&amp;nbsp;son of Joseph to come and preside&amp;nbsp;over the church? Does history shed any light on these questions? Do they even matter? What purpose was originally served and does that purpose remain today? Why was the Patriarch sustained as a "prophet, seer and revelator" in general conference right up until he was made emeritus? Could a general conference sustain him as the church's president, or does the system presently preclude anyone other than the nominees of the sitting president from being considered? Why did the local congregations once choose their own bishops? When did that change? Why did it change? Does the original history matter? Once we give common consent to what is done, are we accountable for the changes that occur?&lt;br /&gt;
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There are a lot of interesting history-based questions that could be explored. But the questions themselves require us to study something that no&amp;nbsp;longer even gets mentioned.&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, I'll be wrapping this up in Part 10.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-2966686417972130691?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;a href="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/aeZFDp3TBsuWld6rPPXERLL_wr8/1/da"&gt;&lt;img src="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/aeZFDp3TBsuWld6rPPXERLL_wr8/1/di" border="0" ismap="true"&gt;&lt;/img&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~4/XI8NLmNlziQ" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/2966686417972130691?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/2966686417972130691?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~3/XI8NLmNlziQ/interpreting-history-part-9.html" title="Interpreting History, Part 9" /><author><name>Denver Snuffer</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13850530477432070456</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><feedburner:origLink>http://denversnuffer.blogspot.com/2012/02/interpreting-history-part-9.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;D0MGRHozfyp7ImA9WhRbEkk.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-5900918794237441238</id><published>2012-02-02T22:03:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2012-02-02T22:03:45.487-07:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2012-02-02T22:03:45.487-07:00</app:edited><title>Interpreting History, Part 8</title><content type="html">When you come to understand something in our history as an actual event then you need to understand the event. What are its details? How important are differing accounts? If there are contradictions among witnesses, how are they harmonized? When you've sorted through the material and arrived at the most accurate version, what does the incident mean? If you change the details does the meaning change?&lt;br /&gt;
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In the King Follett Discourse, for example, there were several note-takers who left accounts of the sermon. Most people are acquainted with this talk through &lt;em&gt;The Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith&lt;/em&gt;. That version is an amalgamation of the various notes of those who were present. In compiling the consolidated version, some of the trimming and harmonizing left details out of the final transcript that may be important. Almost all of the notes from that day have been gathered by Andrew Ehat and Lyndon Cook in their book &lt;em&gt;The Words of Joseph Smith&lt;/em&gt;. That very valuable book allows you compare what one person preserved of the talk with what another person preserved. The contrasts are important and make actual doctrinal differences. &lt;br /&gt;
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If you are content with the &lt;em&gt;TPJS&lt;/em&gt; version and have developed some of your religious views based on it, then discovering that it may have omitted details from Joseph's talk may alarm you. You must decide whether you want to know what Joseph actually said, and perhaps what he actually meant, or if you are only interested in keeping what you already believe.&lt;br /&gt;
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Many people "feel" the truth. They determine what they believe by how it makes them feel. Their "truth detector" is not rational, but intuitive. I've been involved in litigation for long enough to realize there is an irrational component to every conclusion we make. Despite the effort to be rational, we always have our personal filters and our hidden biases. Humans are rational, but not entirely so. Therefore this "feel" for truth happens in us all. Malcom Gladwell has written several books exploring this trait.&lt;br /&gt;
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The challenge is to control your impulse to come to a conclusion about something before you let all the available information develop. You may come to a conclusion that you can defend rationally and emotionally, but it may not be true. If, instead, you suspend your impulse to decide something and let information expand, you may still reach the same conclusion, but it will be deeper, richer and more complete.&lt;br /&gt;
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I've found that since my conversion, the simple stories told in 1973 have remained basically intact. But they are now much more complex, more nuanced, poignant and wonderful. Sometimes it has been painful to approach a new and expanded account of familiar events. D. Michael Quinn's work has sometimes left me wondering how he could make such mistakes. But I've never doubted the impressive, even amazing capacity he has for gathering information and adding new sources to tell the stories of our history. He is valuable and almost irreplaceable as a pioneer in moving our understanding of Mormon history forward. I still disagree with some of his conclusions, but I respect and admire his work. Some of what I originally thought were mistakes by him I now find I accept and believe to be true.&lt;br /&gt;
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It made me nervous to read some of Quinn's work at first. I was afraid I would encounter something that would break my heart and show there was nothing to this faith I had adopted as my own. That would be difficult for me. I stared down that dark corridor and decided to proceed anyway. As I did there were painful moments, and anxiety-filled nights. I know the bitterness expressed by some of the people who have fallen away from our faith and now are vocal critics. If Mormonism is a fraud and I was certain of it I would also probably express a vocal opposition to it. Therefore, if that is their conclusion, they are coping with their sense of loss by venting. I understand it. I was willing to risk it too. But my faith has remained intact.&lt;br /&gt;
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I still believe God spoke to young Joseph Smith, and that Oliver Cowdery, David Whitmer and Martin Harris saw the angel Moroni and the gold plates. I've also very much appreciated the "apostasy" of both Cowdery and Whitmer and their post-church affiliation writings. They remained true to their testimony as witnesses of the Book of Mormon, even if they left the church. That enhances their credibility in my view. In my opinion, if they hadn't seen the plates and the angel, they would have denounced Joseph as a fraud after they were disaffected toward him.&lt;br /&gt;
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These three witnesses make a formidable obstacle to dismissing Joseph Smith. As a result, there have been efforts to diminish the significance of their testimony. I think the best summary of the reasons to question their testimony can be found in Grant Palmer's book &lt;em&gt;An Insider's View of Mormon Origins&lt;/em&gt;.&amp;nbsp;He does a good job of putting together the best way to&amp;nbsp;disregard the&amp;nbsp;Three Witnesses' Testimony. But his work is entirely derivative from other critics and therefore you need to begin with Palmer and work your&amp;nbsp;way back through the footnotes to the earlier stuff to arrive at the point of departure.&amp;nbsp;In the case of his book, I was already acquainted with his sources and therefore found&amp;nbsp;nothing new in it. The approach is basically to discount the idea of "second sight" and to "spiritualize" away the event. For me&amp;nbsp;it was not a problem. I've seen angels.&amp;nbsp;I've been taught by them. I know what the experience is like. Therefore, I know what the challenge is to convert the otherworldly into&amp;nbsp;this-worldly. That other world is more real and even more concrete than this. But it isn't here. It is more tangible, but not the same as what we experience here. Joseph taught about "shaking an angel's hand" (&lt;a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/129.4-5?lang=eng#3"&gt;D&amp;amp;C 129: 4-5&lt;/a&gt;) so you can know it is possible to touch and feel them. They are tangible. But if you're quickened and they are quickened then it is not like this place. So how do you make it possible for someone else to understand. Paul says "whether in the body or out I cannot tell" (&lt;a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/nt/2-cor/12.3?lang=eng#2"&gt;2 Cor. 12: 3&lt;/a&gt;) and that's a pretty good way to put it. He just couldn't tell. Because it is concrete even if you want to say you saw it with "spiritual eyes." So Grant Palmer takes those statements and turns them into the ephemeral, then into imagination, and dismisses the Testimony of the Three Witnesses. In that way he hoped to evade the Book of Mormon by turning it into a work of fiction. None of that persuaded me. I know better. Not only do I have experience in studying history, and the lives of Cowdery, Whitmer and Harris, but also in comparing other scriptures and experiences of Paul, Daniel, Joseph, Abraham, Enoch, Moses, and so many others. In addition to all the rest I have personal experience.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the matter of "feeling" things to be true and right, we should not be hasty about closing the door on additional information. New information may change your view dramatically, and then with the new insights you will "feel" right about another, better informed view. When you deal with less information you may think in your heart that everything is just as you believe it to be; only to later find that good-faith belief was sadly under-informed or misinformed. You can only&amp;nbsp;proceed on the basis of what you know, and never on the basis of what you do not know. This is why our good-faith critics who advance honest objections are not evil.&amp;nbsp;They even raise questions we should ask ourselves and try to provide an honest answer.&lt;br /&gt;
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I do not believe it is possible to acquire the faith necessary to arrive at the truth unless you are willing to know the truth. I believe that history is intended to be a test of faith and we bar ourselves from heaven and heavenly messengers through our fears. Fear is the opposite of faith.&lt;br /&gt;
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All I've written has been done in the hope I can increase faith in others. I understand why I have been denounced, accused of being apostate, and had claims that I'm disrespectful of the church authorities. It is always easy to allow your fears to interpret my motives. But I can tell you that I hope to save souls. The way I write is intended to accomplish that end. If it were possible to do it in any other way I would do it differently. But I don't intend to be popular. I only want the Lord to approve what I've been able to do with what I've been given.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-5900918794237441238?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;a href="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/emeXBnPOsRv5X5Nxo5XYNO0hBf0/1/da"&gt;&lt;img src="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/emeXBnPOsRv5X5Nxo5XYNO0hBf0/1/di" border="0" ismap="true"&gt;&lt;/img&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~4/AdEunwt1eGc" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/5900918794237441238?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/5900918794237441238?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~3/AdEunwt1eGc/interpreting-history-part-8.html" title="Interpreting History, Part 8" /><author><name>Denver Snuffer</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13850530477432070456</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><feedburner:origLink>http://denversnuffer.blogspot.com/2012/02/interpreting-history-part-8.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;D0UERnY9fCp7ImA9WhRbEkk.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-3587759656861360759</id><published>2012-02-01T22:29:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2012-02-02T22:00:07.864-07:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2012-02-02T22:00:07.864-07:00</app:edited><title>Interpreting History, Part 7</title><content type="html">The topic of our history becomes even more challenging when it is overlaid with emotion and fear. Since the study of Mormonism is also the study of what will save your soul, we associate grave importance to being "right" about things. Therefore, when we make up our mind about a storyline, we defend that story against any challenges offering another view.&lt;br /&gt;
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As is apparent from the last question posed to Marlin Jensen in the interview referred to previously, there are painful adjustments involved in going back into your belief system, taking part of it down, or adding something new, and then adjusting everything else to accommodate the new data. It is upsetting. We don't like to unsettle what we thought was settled. This is why once a tradition takes hold it is almost impossible to make changes to it.&lt;br /&gt;
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In the Book of Mormon, the word "tradition" or the phrase "traditions of the fathers" is almost always used in a negative way. Do a word study yourself and see how "tradition" is used. That is one of the Book of Mormon's&amp;nbsp;warnings to us. We have to be very cautious&amp;nbsp;about accepting something as true because it came to us through tradition. &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Every one of us needs to be converted to the truth&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, the "converts" in the Book of Mormon were almost always religious apostates. They had been part of the truth and fallen away. Notice how the splinter groups&amp;nbsp;who were converted were almost without exception being re-converted. From the macro-level (with the Lamanites) to the micro-level (with the Zoramites--who were dissenters from the Nephites (&lt;a href="http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/alma/31.8?lang=eng#7"&gt;Alma 31: 8&lt;/a&gt;)),&amp;nbsp;the missionary effort was to bring&amp;nbsp;believers back to the truth. These apostates were religious. They were firm believers in all kinds of religious ideas handed to them through incorrect traditions.&lt;br /&gt;
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Our story is similar to the Nephite story. It has been marked by traditions that have time and again discarded what we were originally given through Joseph Smith, and are foundational to the restoration. To go into our history is to discover wonderful, exciting things that were once taught, but now are either slowly or quickly being lost.&amp;nbsp;We need to ask why they were lost? If they belonged in the first place, why did we discard them? When Joseph introduced the teachings and claimed they were from God, why did we fail to preserve them?&amp;nbsp;Did we lose them because we heard from God and He said, "don't do that," or "don't believe that anymore?" Was it because we were jarred from our settled places in Kirtland and&amp;nbsp;Nauvoo, and in the forced migrations had a hard enough time retaining part of our religion? Is our forgetfulness perfectly understandable?&lt;br /&gt;
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To be able to discuss this openly&amp;nbsp;we need to stop reacting with emotion and fear at the thought of the discussion. We can go back and consider what happened and suspend judgment about the correct narrative until we have studied and discussed the matters more fully. It should be fun. It should be wonderful. It should excite us, but instead we fear it. That is not healthy and will only preserve a continuing dwindling tradition of the faith. The process of Correlation has enshrined the process of dwindling. Go to the Book of Mormon and look up "unbelief" and you'll find it almost invariably associated with "dwindling." That is, the apostates of the Book of Mormon got out of line with the Lord because they "dwindled in unbelief." They lost truths they were supposed to have remembered. Look at the word "remember" in the Book of Mormon and you'll also find it is a very important principle. How can we ever avoid dwindling and be able to remember if we fear a close scrutiny of our history? They go hand in hand. Once again the Book of Mormon proves to be the "keystone of our religion" because it bravely faces the very problems we are currently struggling with but are afraid to discuss openly. We fear what the Book of Mormon expects us to discuss.&lt;br /&gt;
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If you love your faith, you will allow it to inform you. You will not fight against it and only look at part of it. If you insist it can only conform to your present notions, then you do not really believe the religion at all. You only want to hold to your traditions. You are like the Book of Mormon apostates who have dwindled in unbelief because they refused to remember the original faith given to them by the Lord. None of us should want that. Open discussion should not threaten Latter-day Saints. Nor should those who are willing to engage in the discussion be called apostates or wolves in sheep's clothing. That only ensures we will continue to ignore problems, and as a result of ignoring see a collapse in church membership.&lt;br /&gt;
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We should be open to discussing our history in our church meetings. We should not be afraid. The discussion itself is healthy even if nothing changes in the lives of most saints. It will leave them better informed and allow those who are struggling a safe place to voice concerns and help find answers. At present, our church meetings are pretty hostile to the whole history discussion. We tolerate only centrally approved propaganda which some good-hearted people have found to be more fiction than fact. The people who view it as fiction shouldn't be renounced for their honest questions. Instead they deserve answers from a friendly, open church.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-3587759656861360759?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;a href="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/j2auVFv9hKTxXaUVvW_J2m7HbTI/1/da"&gt;&lt;img src="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/j2auVFv9hKTxXaUVvW_J2m7HbTI/1/di" border="0" ismap="true"&gt;&lt;/img&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~4/5I1tfQLsRnE" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/3587759656861360759?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/3587759656861360759?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~3/5I1tfQLsRnE/interpreting-history-part-7.html" title="Interpreting History, Part 7" /><author><name>Denver Snuffer</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13850530477432070456</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><feedburner:origLink>http://denversnuffer.blogspot.com/2012/02/interpreting-history-part-7.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;DUEBRnw4fip7ImA9WhRbEU0.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-2052271578035840785</id><published>2012-01-31T21:38:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2012-02-01T07:47:37.236-07:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2012-02-01T07:47:37.236-07:00</app:edited><title>Interpreting History, Part 6</title><content type="html">There will always be those who are skeptical about our history. Converting someone to believe (a process I underwent to become LDS), cannot proceed without facing critical examination of the stories. On occasion I think about what would have happened if I were investigating the church's claims today for the first time. Without question I would use the Internet to check what the missionaries were telling me. Given the fact that I would have to decide whether to believe this new faith, and the troubling perception our critics urge that it is being offered by a Fortune 500 corporation, I do not think I would trust anything on the church's own website. I think I would avoid considering that until I had first been convinced of the missionaries' message.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think my approach would be typical. There's nothing more troubling to someone thinking about changing their religion than the risk of being duped by foolish believers in some nonsensical cult. And like it or not, Mormonism is thought of in those terms. I know. I've been there, but I came aboard in the days of flannel board missionary lessons and computers driven by punch cards. There was no Wikipedia or Google. The world changed. So Mormonism must face down the challenges of widespread information. This information challenges the traditional stories and presents very different views of the events. Missionaries must be able to overcome these many honest questions. I'm certain today I would ask a good deal more than what I asked in 1973. Church members also must become part of the solution.&lt;br /&gt;
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When a prospective convert comes to hear our lessons, observe our meetings, and talk with our members they come equipped with a body of questions arising from the acidic environment of the Internet. Every omission in our story can become the stumbling block to accepting the challenge to convert. I would never have prayed and asked God if Mormonism was true until after first inspecting enough of the Mormons to determine they were sound people. Sound in their lives, marriages and teaching. The "weirdness gauge" was employed. Any strange, aberrant behavior would have sent the alarm sounding and I would have been unwilling to proceed further; but I found the church quite likable. Understand I did NOT want the Mormons to be likable. I wanted to dismiss them, and continue on with my happy life. However, they satisfied the initial concerns enough that I was willing to consider it seriously.&lt;br /&gt;
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Today, when asked about troubling matters, every Mormon should to be able to show the faith in a positive light. In a very real way the only progress we can hope to make in today's environment will come through an educated population of believers. Myths and half-truths may be "inspirational" and keep immature faith around for a while, but sooner or later the acid of today's information age will burn away anything that is not gold. We have tens-of-thousands of adults now leaving the church after having spent their lives believing Mormonism. They are discovering the information exists to challenge every step of our faith, from Joseph Smith's youth to the 1978 revelation on priesthood. Members are vulnerable and they are leaving. The problem is already well underway. What we've been doing with our history has not prepared us for what is now happening.&lt;br /&gt;
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Confining the church's educational efforts to "faith promoting" stories may have been enough in the 1950's through the year 2000, but it is absolutely not enough now. If the church insists that this must continue, then the church will become a tiny organization of myth believers who cloister together and repeat endlessly a litany of&amp;nbsp;imaginative stories. That is the course we are on at the moment. The great apostasy underway is because the environment changed. The church's opinion polling and focus group testing is not adequate to adapt to the real challenges. The real challenges are to undergo the rigors of opening the history up to deal forthrightly with our past. The church needs to undergo a metamorphosis into the most open, most candid, most self-critical and inviting faith on earth. We must allow ideas to be expressed in an environment of tolerance and learning. Militant insistence on following a centrally produced lesson manual as an unyielding&amp;nbsp;standard will not be enough. People are walking out of those classes. Either they are turned off and mentally checking out, or they are physically leaving. This is not their fault. They cannot control the fact they are bored.&lt;br /&gt;
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What is almost impossible to accomplish has been accomplished by the central planners of Mormonism. The most exciting thing in the world is to learn new truth. Nothing is quite as delightful as finding new truths. &lt;b&gt;The Gospel contains all truth&lt;/b&gt;. Our lessons and meetings should be celebrations of truth. Instead they have become wary gatherings of fearful people who are on the lookout for unorthodox comments. Some feel &amp;nbsp;Mormon meetings are held inside a police-state. The central planners are fearful of new ideas. They guard against freedom of thought precisely because they are living in a bunker, trying to uphold a dishonest or incomplete history. It will not work. We must openly discuss our history. We must return to delighting in the doctrine. The Gospel is wonderful, not oppressive. It is not mere tradition to be guarded or defended. It is Christ's message of love and hope for all mankind.&lt;br /&gt;
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Our history has influenced who we call to leadership positions because it has affected what the leaders&amp;nbsp;responsibilities are. They MUST administer a far-flung corporate empire with almost unmanageable human resources challenges. Budgets, staffing, property management, liability management, accounting, banking and legal concerns are overwhelming. These are the realities of the top leadership's job. It is the result of the events in phase 2 and 3, and the explosive growth in phase 4. There aren't many mystics available in our ranks who have enough banking, accounting, legal, business management or personnel competence to occupy the present leadership responsibilities. That is a product of the church's history. But it is also the church's present reality.&lt;br /&gt;
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The church itself has a great challenge now directly bearing down on it. I sympathize and lend my prayers to its success. The struggle will require perhaps more from it than the church is willing to change. One great advantage grows out of one of the church's apparent weaknesses. We elevate to the highest position a man who is almost always elderly, frail and beyond the age of most unhealthy appetites. Such a man will consider carefully his proximity to the judgments of God, and likely will be willing to do what is right, even if painful.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-2052271578035840785?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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The evidence you find convincing may be based on what a single person had to say. Even if there are fourteen witnesses saying something else, you may choose to believe a single witness telling a story you are willing to accept as the truth. The reasons for that are personal. For example, your own great-grandmother may have told a story that was handed down within the family and now you cherish that version of the events because it was told to you when you were a child by people you love. Other proof may never convince you otherwise because you have an emotional need to believe that story. For you to think otherwise would feel tantamount to rejection of your own family.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, suppose you learn that the great-grandmother's story originated with the popular retelling of an earlier&amp;nbsp;event. The actual event was in the 1840's but it was popular to retell it in a much more inspirational way some twenty years after the event, in the 1860's. The push to belong among the saints was so compelling they&amp;nbsp;began to compete with one another&amp;nbsp;to embellish the retelling. As a result the story grew well beyond anything that was recorded contemporaneous with the actual event. Even after learning this, you may still resist changing your view because you worry it makes your great-grandmother a liar. It really does no such thing. Her faith produced a culture. She lived inside that culture. The culture encouraged her to say faith-promoting things like others in the culture. She succumbed to the temptation, joined in the recasting of the event, and it helped secure both her own faith and the beliefs of her children. Your life and your parents' were all enriched by the story.&lt;br /&gt;
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But when it comes to your understanding of history, something more than traditions ought to&amp;nbsp;at least be considered. If that is impossible for you, then at a minimum you must allow others who do not&amp;nbsp;share your great-grandmother in their genealogy&amp;nbsp;to explore the question and reach their own conclusion. You can believe as you do for the reasons you find convincing, but others&amp;nbsp;should not be&amp;nbsp;required to join you. They do not share your emotional need to believe the retelling, and therefore ought to be free to consider other sources. What we all share, however, is faith in the religion. We all believe this is a true faith restored by God through the Prophet Joseph Smith. I can have tolerance for your view and your needs, but you should permit me to believe as I do. My beliefs should not threaten you. Yours do not threaten me. I freely allow you to hold onto the family tradition, and respect the value that has provided your family. I am a convert. There are no family traditions I need to honor when it comes to Latter-day Saint history. I am not being negative when I think differently than you. Instead I am honestly trying to grapple with the events to reach my own conclusion about the truth. When I read the fourteen other witnesses I may disregard the one you believe. &lt;br /&gt;
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As people of good faith attempt to retell Mormon history, there&amp;nbsp;will always be&amp;nbsp;events some people view differently than others. For example in Richard Van Wagoner's book&amp;nbsp;&lt;em&gt;Sidney Rigdon: A Portrait of Religious Excess&lt;/em&gt;, he puts Joseph and Sidney into the underground Danite movement in Missouri. I was surprised he did that. I don't agree and thought he was wrong, but I don't for a minute doubt he believed his conclusion.&lt;br /&gt;
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Since Sampson Avard's testimony before the Court of Inquiry was not believed by even the hostile anti-Mormon crowd, I discount him as a reliable source. He was trying to save his own skin. He was like a jailhouse snitch who got free for telling a lurid tale about another prisoner. Motivation, background, overall credibility and inconsistency make him an unreliable source to me. Sampson Avard was the primary mover behind the Danite group. He had a great interest in pushing Joseph and Sidney forward and retreating into the shadows. His story did that. I don't believe him.&lt;br /&gt;
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This issue&amp;nbsp;illustrates how difficult it is to weigh the evidence and reach the right conclusion. When someone as good as Van Wagoner reaches this conclusion, any fair-minded person needs to consider his evidence. I checked his footnotes, considered his arguments, re-thought the matter and found I was not persuaded. I kept my view that Joseph Smith was not involved and was the victim of a perjured witness in the Missouri court proceedings. If someone else chooses to believe it, that is up to them. It certainly complicates Joseph Smith's story. It does not utterly compromise it. The primary effect it would have, in my view, is that Joseph learned from the Missouri disaster that a&amp;nbsp;violent response to the church's enemies was a very bad idea. He never did it again. When the next crisis arose in Nauvoo, he surrendered the Nauvoo Legion state arms and surrendered to the authorities. He did not use his army to protect his followers.&lt;br /&gt;
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So the choice is between what I&amp;nbsp;believe (i.e., that&amp;nbsp;Joseph was already pre-disposed to avoid violent reactions) and Van Wagoner's view (i.e., that Joseph attempted violence through the Danites before learning that violence was not useful). Either way the final lesson is the same. I believe mine is more consistent with Joseph's overall behavior and character, both during Zion's Camp and later in Nauvoo. Van Wagoner has Joseph fluctuating in between. But there is no real meaningful difference to the alternatives.&lt;br /&gt;
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What this issue illustrates, however, is that the matter has been out there since 1838 and remains unsettled and open for debate and discussion today. The discussion is very interesting. More information will undoubtedly arise as more of the church's archives are made available&amp;nbsp;to read. Hiding the information does not alter the truth, it only temporarily hides it. Those who&amp;nbsp;distrust our leaders, resolve&amp;nbsp;all questions by claiming the failure to open the complete historical records to public view is evidence there will be incriminating things found there. That argument no doubt has some weight to it, but on this point of Joseph Smith's Danite involvement I very much doubt there's a hidden "smoking gun" to be found in&amp;nbsp;unopened archival material.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Jensen interview ended&amp;nbsp;on a troubling note to me. He explained&amp;nbsp;the&amp;nbsp;Church History Department was a tool for the "fifteen men" and ultimately "the Prophet" to direct. The&amp;nbsp;Department was&amp;nbsp;going to act in conformity with their desires, and would not proceed&amp;nbsp;as an independent source of historical information. That aside puts the problem of candor and motivation back to the fore. It makes absolute sense the Church History Department supports the church's leadership. However, for anyone interested in a full disclosure, you must remember that the Church History Department acts as an agent controlled by a group whose agenda is not always to let history be told in less than a "faith promoting" way. They feel the responsibility of promoting faith. That is natural. They don't want to challenge people's faith by letting out any ugliness. It risks turning the Department into the purveyor of&amp;nbsp;propaganda, rather than history.&lt;br /&gt;
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This may have worked well in the past, but in the age of the Internet there are leaks. It is all coming out. It will be better&amp;nbsp;for the church to take the initiative than to let it just slip out through inadvertence. If Mitt Romney is the candidate, and even more so if he becomes the President, there will be pressure from the media, perhaps even efforts to pay church employees for copies of previously undisclosed documents. Who knows what will occur in the future to empty the vaults of the hidden materials. The recent dust-up over the &lt;em&gt;Joseph Smith Papers&lt;/em&gt; draft volume on plural marriage between an apostle and the staff working on the project is now known by a wide group. To their credit both Dallin Oaks and Jeffrey Holland were supportive of the effort. Another member of the twelve was scandalized by it, thinking the church membership was unprepared to read the material. It will all be out there eventually. Those who advocate candor will be respected in the future, and those who insist on secrecy will be less so.&lt;br /&gt;
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Nothing will remain hidden. Even if the Lord is the one who does it, the day will come when it will all be "shouted from the rooftops" and every hidden thing will be revealed. It will be too late to acquit yourself if you've been one hiding the truth. Better to do it now, before the coming forced confession.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-3620714654301834399?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;a href="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/WdnjEutfthQ9bHkZDAMo5-Hpv84/1/da"&gt;&lt;img src="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/WdnjEutfthQ9bHkZDAMo5-Hpv84/1/di" border="0" ismap="true"&gt;&lt;/img&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~4/DNwViWKGhj8" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/3620714654301834399?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/3620714654301834399?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~3/DNwViWKGhj8/interpreting-history-part-5.html" title="Interpreting History, Part 5" /><author><name>Denver Snuffer</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13850530477432070456</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><feedburner:origLink>http://denversnuffer.blogspot.com/2012/01/interpreting-history-part-5.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;DUcBSXwyfCp7ImA9WhRUGEQ.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-2654540882893740791</id><published>2012-01-29T19:38:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2012-01-29T21:17:38.294-07:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2012-01-29T21:17:38.294-07:00</app:edited><title>Interpreting History, Part 4</title><content type="html">Two great obstacles in Mormon history are institutional lying and inner secrets. Both have been built into our faith. When Joseph Smith was confronted with plural marriage in a society that would be scandalized by such a practice, he hid it from public view. We all know the public statements and even scriptural declarations about marriage between a man and one wife were belied by the private practice of Joseph Smith. Therefore, our religion's history starts with a gap in telling the truth. We accept the fact that church leaders, beginning with Joseph Smith, lied to the public. There was an "inside" story and a "public" story. This is a problem for Mormon history.&lt;br /&gt;
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Second, any Latter-day Saint who has been through the temple is aware there are things we regard as sacred that we just don't talk about. We keep secrets. Our faith reaches its deepest meaning in an atmosphere of secrecy and hidden knowledge.&lt;br /&gt;
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When these two parts of the faith are present, it creates a challenge to telling our history in a frank, forthright and true manner. You must create filters in your analysis to account for the presence of these two skewing factors. One of the most significant historic disputes between the RLDS (Community of Christ) and the LDS church arises from this very problem. Emma taught Joseph Smith III (and her other children) that their father never practiced plural marriage. So when "young Joseph" came west, he was shocked by the stories and thought (at least initially) that the Utah Mormons were lying. Emma used well known public statements of Joseph denouncing "polygamy" as well as several canonized statements on the subject to support her claim that Joseph never took other wives. To reconcile it all a person must come to grips with the fact that Joseph Smith was not telling the truth to the public. There are echoes of this disparity still today.&lt;br /&gt;
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Plural marriage caused the hierarchy to lie to the public. They did it when plural marriage was both coming and going. It was practiced in private, shielded from public view and shrouded in lies, both before it was acknowledged in 1853 and after it was publicly abandoned by the Manifesto in 1890. The Manifesto was a public relations document intended to hide the fact the church was continuing the practice. There are too many available sources now in public to claim otherwise. But the adoption of Official Declaration 1 makes it awkward to admit the practice continued. So most church members are unaware that it continued in secret even after the Manifesto.&lt;br /&gt;
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Oddly, neither Joseph Smith nor the church itself could pass a temple recommend interview. ("Are you honest in your dealings with your fellow man?") Any faithful Latter-day Saint with just a small amount of knowledge about our history knows the church and its leaders have been less than honest in the past to prevent the public from knowing what they were doing.&lt;br /&gt;
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In saying that I want to be clear. I am not condemning the church. There were sufficient reasons for these public dis-information campaigns, and there has been a theological justification used to defend the practice. The church has pointed out that Abraham said Sarah was his "sister" rather than to candidly acknowledge she was his wife. But the theological implications are not what this line of discussion is about. So I'm leaving that topic unaddressed.&lt;br /&gt;
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The bottom line is that when you attempt to unravel the church's history, you must contend with the fact that the church has a history of dissembling. They publish lies to prevent embarrassment or prosecution. You must include a filter, or detector, or whatever you want to describe it as, in order to arrive at the underlying truth.&lt;br /&gt;
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The idea something is "sacred" is also important in understanding our history. It has been used to compensate for missing revelation. At one extreme the leaders are thought to meet regularly (every Thursday) with Jesus Christ in the Temple.&amp;nbsp;Under this happy view, the leaders are never wrong because they're just doing what Jesus says each Thursday. To suggest this may not be the case is so foreign a concept to these people that anyone who does so is weak in the faith and on the road to apostasy. Therefore, you must also account for the mythical elevation of leadership through the "too sacred to discuss" veil which makes honest analysis difficult and emotionally charged.&lt;br /&gt;
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These are two great challenges to anyone trying to know the truth. Any person seeking to understand our history must account for both as they evaluate the events.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-2654540882893740791?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;a href="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/5uvaZkyy8iFZOen1NL_-T_clpDo/1/da"&gt;&lt;img src="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/5uvaZkyy8iFZOen1NL_-T_clpDo/1/di" border="0" ismap="true"&gt;&lt;/img&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~4/LMaGVVOuoPs" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/2654540882893740791?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/2654540882893740791?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~3/LMaGVVOuoPs/interpreting-history-part-4.html" title="Interpreting History, Part 4" /><author><name>Denver Snuffer</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13850530477432070456</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><feedburner:origLink>http://denversnuffer.blogspot.com/2012/01/interpreting-history-part-4.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;DkMBR30zeyp7ImA9WhRUFkQ.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-1292486342420170430</id><published>2012-01-27T13:00:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2012-01-27T13:00:56.383-07:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2012-01-27T13:00:56.383-07:00</app:edited><title>Interpreting History, Part 3</title><content type="html">I believe in Mormonism and want it to succeed. I am cheering for our success. I evaluated it as an investigator while taught by missionaries, and received a spiritual impression sufficient to believe in the religion. So I joined. After joining I studied the faith. A spiritual impression was not enough for me. The impression was the beginning, not the end, of the inquiry. Then the new found faith needed to be scoured to find what it offered, what great truths it held, and what mysteries were now available. Therefore, its history needed to become part of my study and inquiry.&lt;br /&gt;
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Mormonism has an important history that has been little explored even now. Its history should be celebrated, &amp;nbsp;not cautiously guarded. The history contains wonderful lessons that will aid in moving the faith forward. But to do so it must be based on&amp;nbsp;a truthful telling. You cannot create the kingdom of heaven from a foundation of lies. So history must be faced, even if it proves temporarily&amp;nbsp;painful and disorienting while sorting through the errors.&lt;br /&gt;
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Toward the end of the Jensen interview someone asked him about problems of history and mentioned his own struggle. He explained that new data-points had been disorienting to him. He had to work his way through them to emerge with faith once again. The question was more than illuminating. It was an honest Latter-day Saint who had triumphed in retaining faith in the face of troubling historic truths. This is an issue at two levels.&lt;br /&gt;
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First, when mistakes are discovered, they require you to adjust what you believe to take into account the new information. This is work. It requires effort to sort out incorrect or false information from the information that is correct. Some ideas about your religion must now be adjusted, adapted or abandoned. It can be painful. But what emerges from the experience is better than what you started with.&lt;br /&gt;
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Second, and perhaps much more formidable an issue is that you discover the church is not reliable on some important details of its history. You are forced to grapple with the realization that some of the people you've respected, even admired, either did not tell the truth or were ignorant of the truth. Whether they were dishonest or just mistaken, it is painful. No one wants a hero to fall. When the heroes are thought to be God's agents, true prophets, bona-fide revelators, and you discover they didn't know what they were doing the fall leaves a choking cloud of dust behind. You have to emerge from that cloud with your faith in God intact.&lt;br /&gt;
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When stripping truth from error, we all need to be careful not to throw away perfectly sound truths because of our disgust at the errors. It is better still if you can be compassionate about the errors rather than disgusted. Unfortunately, human nature is such that we tend to start with disgust and only proceed to compassion after we've lived long enough to have failed repeatedly ourselves. Our own humiliating defeats permit us to gain a sense of perspective regarding other people's failings. Compassion grows from our injuries.&lt;br /&gt;
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Marlin Jensen's questioner was stating his faith while asking about the possibility of broader acceptance of more accurate history by the church itself. The question is now before us all. Whether you study church history or you just see a spreading crisis of faith among your fellow ward members, it is now before you. We are all in the same dreadful mix.&lt;br /&gt;
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What is to be done? Are we going to adopt an increasingly militant and cloistered defense of our myths? Are we going to purge our ranks so we are left only with a small handful of intensely devoted believers in faith-promoting errors? Will we become the church of Paul Dunn? Or will we&amp;nbsp;allow some to&amp;nbsp;search deeply into the history and reach new conclusions?&amp;nbsp;Will we allow those who have different, and&amp;nbsp;perhaps more well informed conclusions to teach? To defend their understanding? To speak in sacrament meetings and present new ideas to the rest of us? Will we open up general conference to allow discussion openly of the many problems of inaccurate church history? Will we break apart?&lt;br /&gt;
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Our history is too&amp;nbsp;central a matter for it to be co-opted by a central hierarchy intent on limiting, packaging and&amp;nbsp;controlling the truth rather than revealing the truth.&amp;nbsp;We will save the church and our own souls if we are only interested in knowing truth. There should be an eager openness about it all. The restoration of the Gospel is too wonderful a matter to be reduced to lies. We should all fight against that. It &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;will &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;survive. It will be vindicated. God did originate this process. It is His work, and fear does not change that.&lt;br /&gt;
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I'll return to two great problems with Mormons and our history in Part 4.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-1292486342420170430?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;a href="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/PcQiZNcZi9TrLJXyJXxpjpMoBPc/1/da"&gt;&lt;img src="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/PcQiZNcZi9TrLJXyJXxpjpMoBPc/1/di" border="0" ismap="true"&gt;&lt;/img&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~4/yMz1EOvyVjY" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/1292486342420170430?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/1292486342420170430?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~3/yMz1EOvyVjY/interpreting-history-part-3.html" title="Interpreting History, Part 3" /><author><name>Denver Snuffer</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13850530477432070456</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><feedburner:origLink>http://denversnuffer.blogspot.com/2012/01/interpreting-history-part-3.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;CUQCQng9fip7ImA9WhRUFk8.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-4469615824743333001</id><published>2012-01-26T17:16:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2012-01-26T17:16:03.666-07:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2012-01-26T17:16:03.666-07:00</app:edited><title>Interpreting History, Part 2</title><content type="html">Everyone who contributes to the documentation of history must be evaluated to decide if they are a believable source or a source to be discounted. Even an otherwise unreliable source may be believable on a point. Deciding whether to accept or reject their information is part of your responsibility in interpreting history for yourself. You can't put that responsibility on others. We are each one accountable for what we believe about life's most important topic.&lt;br /&gt;
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Another standard I use to evaluate a someone's story is also drawn from the law. When a witness admits something contrary to their own position, or contradicts the position they are trying to advance, that should attract your notice. Admissions against personal interests are almost inherently credible. When someone is saying something self-deprecating they are almost always telling the truth, both in the courtroom and in life. For example, throughout John D. Lee's final &lt;i&gt;Confessions,&lt;/i&gt; he makes a number of admissions of his own failings. He acknowledges his guilt and attempts to set the record straight with members of his family and close friends. These admissions expose his failures. It is not likely he is lying when making such personal admissions of guilt. Therefore, I do not dismiss his material out of hand. Instead, it becomes something to weigh and consider piece by piece.&amp;nbsp;As I do that, I also consider that there are a number of incidents which are distant in time and location that would tax the memory of anyone trying to retell the events. For such things his accounts become useful only in a big-picture. The details are likely to be the product of his imagination rather than his actual memory. So there needs to be other sources consulted before reaching a conclusion about such details.&lt;br /&gt;
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When Brigham Young makes the same admission multiple times, using almost the same words over a period of decades, I think he is telling the truth. Particularly when the admission is contrary to his own best interests, or they reduce his stature as a religious figure. That is why in &lt;i&gt;Passing the Heavenly Gift&lt;/i&gt; I quote his repeated admission about never seeing an angel or having contact with heavenly beings. It is an important and believable factor in understanding Brigham Young. When he goes on to explain that God is "duty bound" to support his best decision, we can then know and understand how he led the church. He used his best judgment. He proceeded without angelic guidance and fully expected that the Lord would uphold his decisions.&lt;br /&gt;
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Put yourself in his shoes and try to understand what pressures that would exert on a normal person. When there were serious mistakes made, like the incident at Battle Creek&amp;nbsp;near Pleasant Grove, there is no time to second-guess the slaughter of the Indians. You just move on. When Blackhawk (a survivor of the slaughter) later leads a war against the saints in retaliation for the event, Brigham Young knew he had created the mess. I read in his reactions a detectable crisis. It was a deep personal loss of confidence. There was a breakdown. For all the bombast we are used to in reading Brigham Young, he was very troubled by some of the things that resulted from decisions he made.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Reformation he led in the 1850's grew out of his&amp;nbsp;frustration with the hardships and overall failing of the early western movement. He reacted by blaming the saints for their personal impurity and lack of faith. The Reformation was an attempt to have the saints to take their religion more seriously. He thought they needed to repent. God would not be visiting all these troubles on the church if the saints were living their religion. So he started the Reformation, with all its excesses and threats. The Reformation, a terrible moment, now all but forgotten, confirms several things: first, the saints were not doing well as a people; second, Brigham did not think the problem came from the top; third, the members were blamed and then punished because Brigham believed they were not living&amp;nbsp;the religion well enough. (He even cut off the&amp;nbsp;entire church from receiving the sacrament for a period of time.)&lt;br /&gt;
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Interesting that throughout Brigham Young's Reformation there was never a&amp;nbsp;thought given to the failures in Nauvoo discussed in &lt;i&gt;Passing the Heavenly Gift&lt;/i&gt;. Instead, the leaders presumed they were right, and God was punishing the unfaithful membership.&amp;nbsp;This approach led to mistakes.&lt;br /&gt;
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Today, as Elder Jensen discussed, there is a view that the church is undergoing an apostasy comparable to Kirtland. But no thought is being entertained that the church itself has created&amp;nbsp;these problems through leadership decisions at the top. The presumption is that God has been behind all that they've decided in their counsels, and therefore, the problem lies in the membership.&lt;br /&gt;
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I've already posted about the unfolding disaster of the "raising the bar" program that resulted in preventing many young men from serving who wanted to serve. Eighty percent of the results in the mission field were being produced by 20% of the missionaries. So the church cut back the missionary rolls to purge the ineffective few who required babysitting from the mission presidents. We now have thousands of young men who feel rejected, judged and found unworthy by the church. They bear deep inward resentments as a result of this rejection. They all knew older brothers, or friends of their older brothers, who did as much wrong, or worse things than they had done. But these older brothers and their friends were allowed to serve. Some of them were noble missionaries. Their lives changed while serving. But the "raised bar" kept these younger brothers out of service and stigmatized them. Now we have earnest young men who wanted to serve, were told they weren't good enough who now have to reconcile that rejection by the church.&lt;br /&gt;
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The missionary who baptized me would not have qualified under the "raised bar." [I hesitate to confess another's sins, but I do not view that acknowledgement as a criticism of him. It reflected his true intent to repent and serve. For that I am eternally grateful.] He was a gift from heaven and a servant of God when I met him. He taught and testified of the truth, and baptized me with authority. He is active and faithful still today. Some of his own conversion happened while serving. I thank God there was no administratively imposed "bar" to his service.&lt;br /&gt;
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The point is that some, perhaps much, of the church's present malaise is driven by mistakes made at the top. But those mistakes become very difficult to discuss in an atmosphere where every subordinate is expected to testify that God is making the decisions and never question the mistakes as they are made. "It's good Bart did that" is the mantra. [You'd need to have seen the &lt;i&gt;Treehouse of Horrors&lt;/i&gt; episodes of &lt;i&gt;The Simpsons&lt;/i&gt; to understand that remark. Get one of your kids to explain it to you.]&lt;br /&gt;
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At the risk of having some think it is&amp;nbsp;blasphemy, I think the current problems stem largely from top-down mistakes more so than the members being disobedient and unfaithful. I think the people at the bottom want to please God. But they're led that in many instances they err. Not for any lack of good faith on their part, but because there are not enough true principles taught to permit them to govern themselves correctly. There is at a minimum some shared responsibility. Our history prevents leadership from sharing any responsibility because of the fundamentals established in fourth phase Mormonism. The adoration of the president has been co-opted by Correlation to spread a veil of implied inspiration across everything done at the top. This problematic historical issue leaves us with little choice now but to blame the members for current problems. All the leaders need to do is what Marlin Jensen says they're presently attempting. Just optimize search engine results, direct the public to the church's website where the faith promoting stories are found, and everything will turn out just fine.&lt;br /&gt;
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All of this arises from our history. All of this fits seamlessly into a continuation of steps begun more than a century ago. The issues run into our past and cannot be adequately understood apart from our history. But a corrollary to our history also arises from the present difficulties. History brought us to this moment. There must be answers to be found there. But the 'only-faith-promoting' account of our past does not give an adequate answer. Therefore something is missing. We need to let other views help explain how we arrived here. &lt;i&gt;Passing the Heavenly Gift&lt;/i&gt; provides a better answer to the questions than the traditional narrative. Even if you decide it is not persuasive, it offers another view to be considered to explain how we got where we are now.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-4469615824743333001?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;a href="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/b78nOTjkb6GZ4dZScD3Eiigoj5g/1/da"&gt;&lt;img src="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/b78nOTjkb6GZ4dZScD3Eiigoj5g/1/di" border="0" ismap="true"&gt;&lt;/img&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~4/up3VMao0gdQ" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/4469615824743333001?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/4469615824743333001?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~3/up3VMao0gdQ/interpreting-history-part-2.html" title="Interpreting History, Part 2" /><author><name>Denver Snuffer</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13850530477432070456</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><feedburner:origLink>http://denversnuffer.blogspot.com/2012/01/interpreting-history-part-2.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;CkQHRHo7eSp7ImA9WhRUFkw.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-1054314589741923373</id><published>2012-01-26T13:38:00.002-07:00</published><updated>2012-01-26T13:38:55.401-07:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2012-01-26T13:38:55.401-07:00</app:edited><title>Book of Mormon as Fiction</title><content type="html">I got another email asking:&amp;nbsp; "If Job is pious fiction, I've read about other folks who think the Book of Mormon is too. What do you think of that?"&lt;br /&gt;
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I responded:&amp;nbsp; Since Moroni came to and was seen by Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdery, David Whitmer and Martin Harris we know at least one of the book's characters was a real person.&amp;nbsp; Which implies the others were also. Personally, I think they were all real people.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-1054314589741923373?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;a href="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/DIOEl8TPtDO4AShY-e34oqLWMpk/1/da"&gt;&lt;img src="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/DIOEl8TPtDO4AShY-e34oqLWMpk/1/di" border="0" ismap="true"&gt;&lt;/img&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~4/5cbnTWwH6rA" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/1054314589741923373?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/1054314589741923373?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~3/5cbnTWwH6rA/book-of-mormon-as-fiction.html" title="Book of Mormon as Fiction" /><author><name>Denver Snuffer</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13850530477432070456</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><feedburner:origLink>http://denversnuffer.blogspot.com/2012/01/book-of-mormon-as-fiction.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;DE4FQ3g8fCp7ImA9WhRUFk0.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-969957828327765408</id><published>2012-01-26T10:25:00.005-07:00</published><updated>2012-01-26T12:41:52.674-07:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2012-01-26T12:41:52.674-07:00</app:edited><title>Job</title><content type="html">I got an email stating: "Job is not pious fiction.&amp;nbsp;D&amp;amp;C 121:10 reads,&amp;nbsp; 'Thou art not yet as Job; thy friends do not contend against thee, neither charge thee with transgression, as they did Job.'"&lt;br /&gt;
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I responded: &lt;br /&gt;
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I understand your point. But could it also mean "you are not yet like Little Orphan Annie, you still have a family," or another similar analogy? &amp;nbsp;That is, the Lord refers to the character to illustrate a circumstance. That would be akin to His use of parables to communicate truth.&lt;br /&gt;
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The reference in Section 121 does not settle the question of historicity. It merely employs Job as a reference point to console the imprisoned Joseph Smith. That leaves whether or not Job is a real person unresolved.&lt;br /&gt;
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Job, like many of the Psalms, was borrowed from other surrounding cultures and adopted as part of the Jewish religious text. This has resulted in many scholars concluding that he wasn't a real person, but a character developed to tell a morality tale. I'm not challenging that view, I'm accepting it. If he was a real person, then I suppose one day we will all meet him. In the meantime, his story does help us understand truths about this life.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-969957828327765408?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;a href="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/gW1BcWW7KaaK6Irnmf1FM49EED4/1/da"&gt;&lt;img src="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/gW1BcWW7KaaK6Irnmf1FM49EED4/1/di" border="0" ismap="true"&gt;&lt;/img&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~4/7UAWd2ECJ2c" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/969957828327765408?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/969957828327765408?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~3/7UAWd2ECJ2c/job.html" title="Job" /><author><name>Denver Snuffer</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13850530477432070456</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><feedburner:origLink>http://denversnuffer.blogspot.com/2012/01/job.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;A0EAQn04eCp7ImA9WhRUFU8.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-7916554927694893318</id><published>2012-01-25T15:14:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2012-01-25T15:14:03.330-07:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2012-01-25T15:14:03.330-07:00</app:edited><title>Interpreting History</title><content type="html">There is an art to interpreting history. No matter what the schools teach, in the end there are judgment calls that are always made in arriving at a final interpretation.&lt;br /&gt;
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The problems of church history are not evidence that some people are acting in bad faith and others are not. Everyone should be motivated to seek and know the truth. However, even when claiming to seek the truth, various motivations color the results of our interpretation.&lt;br /&gt;
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When a court case is presented to a jury, both sides are duty bound to tell the truth. All the witnesses are sworn in before they are allowed to tell the jury anything. Then whatever they say is supposed to be the truth. If they lie, they do so under the condition they will be charged with perjury. Despite this, in almost every case the story told by the Plaintiff is completely at odds with the story told by the Defendant. If you believe the Plaintiff's witnesses and arguments, the Plaintiff will win. If you believe the Defendant's witnesses and arguments, the Defendant will win. The jury's responsibility is to decide who to believe.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sometimes a witness is believable because of their demeanor. Sometimes it is the content of their statements, sometimes the way they appear. Their age, opportunity to observe, self-interest, relationship with the parties, clarity of explanation and other things all play a part. There are intangibles that affect credibility, some so difficult to explain they are reduced to "impressions" or "feelings" about the witness. Their reputation for honesty, or personal history matters. When the case ends the jury deliberates all they've heard and seen, consult their common sense, talk the matter over and reach a consensus. That consensus becomes the verdict. The case is then concluded.&lt;br /&gt;
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History is no different. The witnesses are evaluated, and what they have to say is considered. But in the end, they are weighed and either believed or not. Orson Hyde arrived back in Nauvoo on August 13th. He was not present on August 8th. Therefore, his two lengthy reminiscenses of the transfiguration of Brigham Young on August 8th cannot be believed by me. I suppose &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; could decide to believe Orson Hyde, despite the fact that his story could not possibly be based on what he saw August 8, 1844. But if you decide to believe him, you must show me the courtesy of allowing me to disbelieve him.&lt;br /&gt;
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The daily diaries of Brigham Young, Heber C. Kimball, Willard Richards and Wilford Woodruff all had entries on August 8, 1844. None of them mention the "transfiguration" of Brigham Young. Nauvoo newspapers, &lt;i&gt;Times and Seasons&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Nauvoo Neighbor&lt;/i&gt; both covered the debates on August 8, 1844 and neither one mention the transfiguration. Even Orson Hyde's accounts written in 1844 and 1845 fail to mention the transfiguration. He did not begin to provide his elaborate account of the event until 1869, when he claimed Brigham Young's "words went through [him] like electricity. It was not only the voice of Joseph Smith but there were the features, the gestures and even the stature of Joseph before us in the person of Brigham.(&lt;i&gt;JD&lt;/i&gt; 13: 181, 6 Oct 1869.) So, when I weigh the evidence, I conclude the story is merely faith-promoting, and much like Paul Dunn, bearing something less than an accurate retelling of the truth.&lt;br /&gt;
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The truth of the restoration does not depend merely upon men's imagination to support it. After all, Joseph produced the Book of Mormon, revelations found in the Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price, and other unpublished revelations. He left a body of letters, talks and ordinances. What Joseph did accomplish is more than enough proof of his stature as a prophet of God.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am interested in the truth of the restoration. It is not important for me to justify succession, or to defend any office or friends. I do not want to be popular or to have anyone follow me. I hope only to please God and defend the truth. If it causes anyone, including myself, embarrassment I couldn't care less. We have a duty to our Maker to act our part in helping one another to find our way back to Him.&lt;br /&gt;
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I also don't care if someone chooses to believe otherwise and to weep like a child while retelling the story of Brigham Young being transfigured into Joseph Smith as he pleaded for votes following Joseph's death. I can endure that without insulting them or arguing the point. They are free to believe what I regard as false. But what should not happen is for someone who holds this view to forbid or condemn me for thinking them wrong. I enjoyed Paul Dunn's stories. They were inspiring. If you accept them as inspirational fiction, you can enjoy them too. The likelihood is that Job is pious fiction also. It is part of a category of "Wisdom Literature" written to explain a true principle, but probably not based on an actual person named Job. It is "true" in the sense of teaching principles of truth, not in the sense the characters existed.&lt;br /&gt;
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I've weighed the evidence in our history, sorted through what I accept and find persuasive, and what I find less than believable. It has involved considerable effort. It is fine with me for others to disagree. When a disagreement is based on a superficial review of the available record, or on bombast without ever studying the history, then I'd appreciate the courtesy of allowing me to continue in my honest, good faith delusion.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-7916554927694893318?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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It is interesting the first witness was a woman. It is interesting the Lord spent hours walking and talking with two disciples, Cleopas and an unnamed second companion, on a journey to Emmaus. [In &lt;em&gt;Come, Let Us Adore Him,&lt;/em&gt; I explain why I believe the companion was Luke.] As He walked with them, He spent the time expounding the scriptures and prophets, showing how they testified of His death. He "opened the scriptures unto them." (See &lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/nt/luke/24.13-32?lang=eng#12"&gt;Luke 24: 13-32&lt;/a&gt;.) This is how the risen Lord chose to spend the afternoon of the first day of His return to life. (The talk I gave on this walk appears as an appendix to &lt;em&gt;Eighteen Verses&lt;/em&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;
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Again, it is interesting that, after first showing Himself to a woman, He then spent hours walking and talking with two disciples, neither of whom were apostles, expounding doctrine and the scriptures to them.&lt;br /&gt;
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I've searched the scriptures diligently to try and discover where the Lord ever commanded that we follow a man. I've not found it. Instead, I've found Him warning us to "Follow [Him]" (see &lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/nt/matt/4.19?lang=eng#18"&gt;Matt. 4: 19&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/nt/john/10.27?lang=eng#26"&gt;John 10: 27&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/nt/john/21.22?lang=eng#21"&gt;21: 22&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/nt/luke/5.27?lang=eng#26"&gt;Luke 5: 27&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/nt/luke/9.59?lang=eng#58"&gt;9: 59&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/nt/mark/2.14?lang=eng#13"&gt;Mark 2: 14&lt;/a&gt;; among many others.) The phrase "follow the prophet" does not appear anywhere&amp;nbsp;in scripture. It does not appear there because it is an institutional invention designed to reduce resistance to centralized church decision-making. It was implemented deliberately during the administration of David O. McKay in the fourth phase of Mormon history. It is an idea which is altogether alien to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Instead,&amp;nbsp;what appears in the scriptures is a curse pronounced on those who follow man or put their trust in man's arm. (See &lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/4.34?lang=eng#33"&gt;2 Ne. 4: 34&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/28.31?lang=eng#30"&gt;2 Ne. 28: 31&lt;/a&gt;; &lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/1.19?lang=eng#18"&gt;D&amp;amp;C 1: 19&lt;/a&gt;.) Nephi's final address warns the gentiles how vulnerable they are to this mistake, and how they will be cursed as a consequence. He offers hope, however, conditioned on repentance and return to following the Lord. (See &lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/28.31-32?lang=eng#30"&gt;2 Ne. 28: 31-32&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;
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I am grateful for all who serve in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. From my own Home Teacher to the President. They all have my gratitude, my prayers, my support. I do not challenge the right of any who preside in the church to conduct and to manage the church's affairs.I do not envy them in assuming the burdens they bear. It is an almost impossible responsibility for any man. I am confident they do a better job than I would.&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite my gratitude to them, I trust my salvation to no man or set of men. For that I rely entirely on my understanding of, acquaintance with, covenants and promises from the Lord. If I can encourage anyone else to pursue the path to know Him, I want to do so. The difference between truth which can save and error which will damn is so fine a line it is sometimes compared to a two-edged sword, cutting both ways. Encouraging people to find that edge and to rightly divide between truth and error oftentimes will offend. It is still the truth. We really ought to fear God and not man. (&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/3.7?lang=eng#6"&gt;D&amp;amp;C 3: 7&lt;/a&gt;.) The One who keeps the gate of salvation is not a man or men, for He alone will open or shut that gate. There is "no servant" employed there. (&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/9.41?lang=eng#40"&gt;2 Ne. 9: 41&lt;/a&gt;.) If you arrive at that gate having been misled regarding your obligation to &lt;b&gt;&lt;u&gt;Him&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/b&gt;, having "&lt;i&gt;followed the prophets&lt;/i&gt;" you will be among those whose eternal opportunities have been curtailed, no better off than liars and whoremongers. (&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/76.98-105?lang=eng#97"&gt;D&amp;amp;C 76: 98-105&lt;/a&gt;.) [If you read those verses from Section 76, you should ponder the difference between "following" and "receiving" a prophet. If you "follow" him, what are you substituting? If you "receive" him, what are you doing? Therein lies a distinction worth pondering.]&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-6404612041247956166?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;a href="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/duc8cDkktcJAAZeW_tbVk0dXMYA/1/da"&gt;&lt;img src="http://feedads.g.doubleclick.net/~a/duc8cDkktcJAAZeW_tbVk0dXMYA/1/di" border="0" ismap="true"&gt;&lt;/img&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~4/xzm6NqIgQb8" height="1" width="1"/&gt;</content><link rel="edit" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/6404612041247956166?v=2" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3880654315943365046/posts/default/6404612041247956166?v=2" /><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FromTheDeskOfDenverSnuffer/~3/xzm6NqIgQb8/lords-witnesses.html" title="The Lord's Witnesses" /><author><name>Denver Snuffer</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/13850530477432070456</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail" width="16" height="16" src="http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif" /></author><feedburner:origLink>http://denversnuffer.blogspot.com/2012/01/lords-witnesses.html</feedburner:origLink></entry><entry gd:etag="W/&quot;CE8NQXg5eyp7ImA9WhRUE0k.&quot;"><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3880654315943365046.post-8601135850724828164</id><published>2012-01-23T11:04:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2012-01-23T11:21:30.623-07:00</updated><app:edited xmlns:app="http://www.w3.org/2007/app">2012-01-23T11:21:30.623-07:00</app:edited><title>Jensen Comments:</title><content type="html">The interview of Marlin Jensen by USU Professor Phil Barlow is now on the Internet. The statement below is interesting for several reasons:&lt;br /&gt;
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“The fifteen men [1st Pres. &amp;amp; 12]&amp;nbsp;really do know, and they really care. And they realize that maybe since Kirtland, we never have had a period of, I’ll call it apostasy, like we’re having right now; largely over these issues [meaning the church's history]. We do have another initiative that we have called, 'Answers to Gospel Questions'. We are trying to figure out exactly what channels to deliver it in and exactly what format to put it in. But we want to have a place where people can go. We have hired someone that’s in charge of search engine optimization. We realize that people get their information basically from Google. They don’t come to LDS.org. If they get there, it’s through Google. So, we are trying to create an offering that will address these issues and be available for the public at large and to the church leaders, because many of them don’t have answers either. It can be very disappointing to church members. And, for people who are losing their faith, or who have lost it, we hope to regain to the church.”&lt;br /&gt;
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Another questioner asked how these fifteen men&amp;nbsp;know. Is it through anecdotal means or from statistics? Elder Jensen said that he has received much information anecdotally and added, “The church has a very progressive research and information division, with tremendous public opinion surveyors. And the church is constantly running surveys, and employing consultants that do focus groups on a variety of topics, but especially on the ones that we are talking about right now, that are so sensitive to the faith of members. Where has the prophet laid his emphasis right now? It’s on something called ‘The Rescue’. And with good reason, because we are suffering a loss; both in terms of our new converts that come in that don’t get really established in the church, as well as very faithful members who because of things we’re talking about, as well as others, are losing their faith in the process. It is one of our biggest concerns right now.”&lt;br /&gt;
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If I could offer something useful to the "fifteen men" (whom I am certain could care less what I'd have to say), it would be the following:&lt;br /&gt;
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Standing in an echo chamber and hearing the same things repeated to you is not a conversation. The "crisis" will not be solved by the approach that has precipitated the crisis. This is not at all like the Kirtland Apostasy, other than the vastness of the scope involved. It is because the leadership has lost the confidence of large numbers who simply do not trust them to tell the truth about things. It is being packaged and marketed. That is not cured by "search engine optimization" because it is not believed.&lt;br /&gt;
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Taking just one incident as an example:&amp;nbsp;Those who study our history&amp;nbsp;know the contemporaneous accounts all fail to mention the "transfiguration of Brigham Young into Joseph Smith" on August 8, 1844. It was not the reason the Nauvoo population voted to sustain the 12. They did&amp;nbsp;NOT sustain Brigham Young separately&amp;nbsp;to anything, nor did Brigham&amp;nbsp;Young&amp;nbsp;ask to be sustained to anything apart from advancing the claims of the 12 to preside. It would be years before Brigham Young sought to be separately sustained to lead. Repeating the false&amp;nbsp;inspirational story of his transfiguration&amp;nbsp;is not useful. It is not inspirational, but evidence of duplicity and dissembling. There are hundreds of other examples which could be given. They are discovered by reading history.&lt;br /&gt;
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Very progressive research using public opinion surveyors is NOT going to help. After all, Mitt Romney was ahead by a large margin two weeks before his resounding defeat in South Carolina. Today he is behind by more than 10% in Florida, after leading for months. When the vote is taken in a few days he may well win. The shifting sands of opinion are as unstable as water. The Lord warned against establishing a house on such vulnerable sand.&amp;nbsp; We should instead build upon the rock of knowing Christ.&amp;nbsp;Everything I've written is intended to point to that rock.&amp;nbsp;All that is required to vastly shift opinions is more information. Employing consultants who do focus groups on a variety of topics is what has caused the problems now facing the church.&lt;br /&gt;
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A steady tune of fixed truth, bold declaration of doctrine, even when it fades from popularity, and seeking light from God is what built the church. It is the reason for the church's existence. When it lapses into another well managed business operation whose product is the religion called Mormonism, it ceases to attract men's hearts. Opinion polling and focus groups&amp;nbsp;are not a substitute for revelation.&lt;br /&gt;
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People want to believe in the restored Gospel. They want to hear truth. They know the Lord spoke to Joseph Smith. We want what was restored through Joseph to be preserved, not to be repackaged and squandered at the feet of popular opinion.&lt;br /&gt;
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For the first time since Joseph Smith it is possible the restoration may continue without the church. The prophecies declare the work will culminate in establishing Zion. Whether the church chooses to be involved or not, it is coming. &lt;br /&gt;
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As a final aside, the reason I say the "fifteen men" have no interest in what I have to say is because they use these professionals who conduct opinion polling and focus groups as a substitute for knowing the hearts of the faithful. Someone who is active, doing 100% home teaching and faithfully serving in their callings like myself is viewed as an inappropriate source of information. If my views differ from the leadership's then I am considered to be 'out of harmony' and in error. When they employ non-believing professionals who could care less about the underlying faith (apart from it being the product to be marketed), they are viewed as objective and professional. The result is to prefer the views of the non-believer over the views of the faithful, and to discard, and even question the loyalty of the faithful. The system is broken. You must fix that first. Blaming the members for "apostasy" like Kirtland is incorrect.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-8601135850724828164?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Apparently many political commentators cannot see the difference between offering an adulterous man whose sins are publicly known before the election&amp;nbsp;as a candidate to the nation's highest office, in contrast to later discovering we've inadvertently elected an&amp;nbsp;adulterous man. [Grover Cleveland was a bachelor and young when he may have fathered a child, not a married adulterer. He paid child support and was never conclusively shown to be the father.]&amp;nbsp;When given the choice beforehand, adultery&amp;nbsp;should always be disqualifying. Yet such "conservative" commentators as Rush Limbaugh and Laura Ingraham have championed Newt Gingrich after the disclosure; even Sarah Palin has defended Mr. Gingrich after it became an issue.&amp;nbsp;Gov. Rick Perry has also endorsed Mr. Gingrich after this moral failing has become public.&lt;br /&gt;
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Mr. Gingrich is ego-maniacal. He was dishonest and thrown out of Congress for his ethical lapses. His infidelity to his wife is mirrored in his infidelity to high office while serving in Congress. If he betrayed his wife before, and betrayed his&amp;nbsp;public office before, he is unworthy to be trusted again. His very public penitence I view more as&amp;nbsp;public theatre than humble submission to God. He proclaims his God-given forgiveness as a shield against criticism, rather than a matter of private devotion. Such conduct always raises a question about sincerity. He is ambitious, self-centered, now using religion to justify himself, and&amp;nbsp;unworthy of renewed public trust. When someone&amp;nbsp;has been involved in such a troublesome history I would expect they would voluntarily disqualify themselves by never running. I understand and sympathize with failed marriages and moral lapses. They happen. But contrition and ambition are incompatible. Some personal failings are so great they disqualify. At least from the right to hold an office of public trust which was designed to be&amp;nbsp;viewed as much as a "pulpit" of righteousness as a seat of power.&lt;br /&gt;
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He was careful yesterday to deny wanting an "open marriage" because the definition of the word used in the question&amp;nbsp;does not quite&amp;nbsp;fit his immoral conduct. He&amp;nbsp;was not prepared to&amp;nbsp;welcome his wife joining him in extramarital sexual relations, as "open marriage" implies. He wanted to do that alone. He wanted his wife to "share" him with his paramour. (This loophole allowing the denial&amp;nbsp;was fed to him by Rush Limbaugh.) Therefore he could probably pass a lie-detector test about&amp;nbsp;his denial of wanting an "open marriage." Yet he wants his adulterous companion to be the nation's First Lady, and himself to occupy the high&amp;nbsp;position originally designed for George Washington-- the most trusted man of his generation. A man whose morality was beyond question. A man who led by example, freeing his slaves in his will as the example he hoped would end slavery without requiring the nation to be torn apart. Newt Gingrich will bring dishonor to any office he holds because of his inability to look beyond self-interest and personal glorification.&lt;br /&gt;
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When a person is known to be an adulterer, they are by definition also a liar. Liars and adulterers are by any scriptural definition wicked. When&amp;nbsp;a nation on this land&amp;nbsp;chooses to uphold&amp;nbsp;a wicked man to head their government, they are ripe for destruction. (See &lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/mosiah/29.27?lang=eng#26"&gt;Mosiah 29: 27&lt;/a&gt;;&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/alma/10.19?lang=eng#18"&gt;Alma 10: 19&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/hel/5.2?lang=eng#1"&gt;Helaman 5: 2&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;
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You uphold such&amp;nbsp;a man&amp;nbsp;at the peril of national&amp;nbsp;destruction. His campaign has also&amp;nbsp;exposed the underlying confused morality of some popular political commentators.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-3419853235949023377?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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The church is formed by a mutual agreement between the members and the leaders. The leaders occupy their positions because they are sustained to the offices they hold. When sustained, they are the office holders. No one has the right to preside or conduct church activities other than the regularly constituted church authorities. It is their right.&lt;br /&gt;
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But if you love the church and want her best interests, it is a mistake to leave her uncriticized for mistakes and blunders. Those who care for her the most will be the most eager to help. Criticism designed to improve, to overcome mistakes or solve dilemmas the church faces is what a person who cares would always do. Only a fool would mistake comments motivated by concern and care as a sign of rejection or rebellion.&lt;br /&gt;
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The church is struggling. Only about 10% of the converts remain with the church today. Half of the returned missionaries drift into inactivity within two years of returning home. Temple marriages in the U.S.&amp;nbsp;are ending at a rate nearly comparable to national averages, and the fertility rate of Mormons in the U.S.&amp;nbsp;has dropped to nearly the national average. Tithing contributions have dropped. There is a crisis underway at present. If a member cares, they owe it to the church to offer views for discussion.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think using professional business consultants to help solve the crisis is what has led to the crisis. They do not, indeed cannot, understand the things of the spirit. It is impossible to treat the Gospel as another commodity and market it like you would soft drinks, cars or office supplies. Businessmen cannot remedy a spiritual illness. The church does not need good marketing. Indeed it grew the most as an overall percentage of growth, when it boldy proclaimed a new doctrine, a new revelation from heaven, and suffered the indignity and criticism of the entire world. While editorial pages were railing against the church, and cartoonists were mocking Joseph Smith, the church went from nothing to tens-of-thousands. That was how the truth should always be spread. Not by aligning with the world and employing its methods, but by proclaiming the truth and rejecting the world.&lt;br /&gt;
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We've been using more and more of the same failed business marketing approach to try and smooth out the message and deliver it more agreeably to the world. That will NOT attract those seeking the truth. We must not blend in, but must stick out. Doing more of this marketing and social-science driven management will lead to less: Less activity. Less retention.&amp;nbsp;Less tithing. Less membership. Less success. It needs to reverse.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sooner or later someone who is open to that message will decide the failure has continued long enough and will decide to return to what established the church in the first place against all opposition.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-4768968448494644897?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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In Kirtland, new converts who were overzealous to participate in the new heavenly manifestations coming&amp;nbsp;as a result of&amp;nbsp;Joseph Smith's claims, opened themselves up to receiving influences they could not understand, and did not test for truthfulness. They were so delighted to have any kind of experience, they trusted anything "spiritual" was from God. As a result, there were many undignified things, degrading conduct, foolish behavior and evil influences which crept in among the saints. Joseph received a revelation in May 1831 concerning this troubling development. In it the Lord cautioned there were "many false spirits deceiving the world." (&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/50.2?lang=eng#1"&gt;D&amp;amp;C 50: 2&lt;/a&gt;.) That Satan wanted to overthrow what the Lord was doing. (&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/50.3?lang=eng#2"&gt;D&amp;amp;C 50: 3&lt;/a&gt;.) The presence of hypocrites and of people harboring secret sins and abominations caused false claims to be accepted. (&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/50.4,%206-7?lang=eng#3"&gt;D&amp;amp;C 50: 4, 6-7&lt;/a&gt;.) It is required for all people to proceed in truth and in righteousness (&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/50.9?lang=eng#8"&gt;D&amp;amp;C 50: 9&lt;/a&gt;) if they are going to avoid deception. Meaning that unrepentant and unforgiven men will not be able to distinguish between a true and a false spirit.&lt;br /&gt;
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All spiritual gifts, including distinguishing between true and false spirits, requires the Holy Ghost, given through obedience to the truth, which allows a person to distinguish between truth and error. &lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/50.17-23?lang=eng#16"&gt;(D&amp;amp;C 50: 17-23&lt;/a&gt;.)&amp;nbsp;The truth is like light, and when you follow the light of truth it grows inside you until you have a "perfect day" in which there is no more darkness,but everything is illuminated by the light of the spirit within you. (&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/50.24?lang=eng#23"&gt;D&amp;amp;C 50: 24&lt;/a&gt;.) &lt;br /&gt;
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The revelation clarifies that a preacher of truth will become only a servant. He will not claim greatness, but will seek only to give truth; as a result of which false spirits will be subject to him. (&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/50.26-27?lang=eng#25"&gt;D&amp;amp;C 50: 26-27&lt;/a&gt;.) But this only comes as a result of repenting of all sin, because the light of a perfect day cannot arise when men harbor evil desires and inappropriate ambitions within their hearts. (&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/50.28-29?lang=eng#27"&gt;D&amp;amp;C 50: 28-29&lt;/a&gt;.)&amp;nbsp;Truth will not leave you confused, but will enlighten your understanding. (&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/50.31?lang=eng#30"&gt;D&amp;amp;C 50: 31&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;
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From this you can see how necessary it is for each of us to continually repent, conduct our lives in conformity with such truth as you presently understand, and avoid deliberate wrongdoing in order to be able to distinguish between a true and a false spirit. You must attract light. It is attracted by obedience to such light as you already have. When you proceed forward using the light you already possess to attract more light it will grow in one, consistent and truthful manner from a lesser to a greater light. All of it conforming to the teachings of Jesus Christ. &lt;br /&gt;
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Ambition in spiritual gifts leads to acceptance of evil influences. As part of the same problem in Kirtland, in September of the previous year, Hiram Page wanted to be like Joseph, and was able to attract a deceiving spirit to communicate with him through a seer stone. But the commandments he received were designed to lead him into error. (&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/28.11?lang=eng#10"&gt;D&amp;amp;C 28: 11&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;
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Truth will always testify of Christ and lead to repentance. It will lead you to do good, not evil. To serve God and not follow men. To repent and forsake darkness which appeals to the carnal mind. (&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/moro/7.12-19?lang=eng#11"&gt;See Moroni 7: 12-19&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just because you have a "spiritual experience" you cannot trust it will invariably be from God. True spirits will: &lt;br /&gt;
-Testify of Christ.&lt;br /&gt;
-Lead to repentance.&lt;br /&gt;
-Be consistent with existing scripture.&lt;br /&gt;
-Lead you to be submissive to authority in the church.&lt;br /&gt;
-Edify and enlighten your mind.&lt;br /&gt;
-Be understandable and not cause confusion.&lt;br /&gt;
-Cause light to grow within you.&lt;br /&gt;
-Turn you toward Christ, not men.&lt;br /&gt;
-Never cause pride.&lt;br /&gt;
-Make you a better servant.&lt;br /&gt;
-Increase your love of your fellow man.&lt;br /&gt;
-Clothe you with charity for the failings of others.&lt;br /&gt;
-Conform to the true whisperings of the Holy Ghost you previously have received.&lt;br /&gt;
-Leave you humble and grateful for God's condescension.&lt;br /&gt;
-Make you want to bring others to the light.&lt;br /&gt;
-Be grounded in love toward God and all mankind.&lt;br /&gt;
-Lead you to rejoice.&lt;br /&gt;
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False spirits will:&lt;br /&gt;
-Deny Christ.&lt;br /&gt;
-Cause pride.&lt;br /&gt;
-Make you believe you are better because of the experience.&lt;br /&gt;
-Contradict the scriptures.&lt;br /&gt;
-Appeal to carnality and self-indulgence.&lt;br /&gt;
-Lead to rebellion against the church's right to administer ordinances.&lt;br /&gt;
-Cause confusion.&lt;br /&gt;
-Lead to ambition to control others.&lt;br /&gt;
-Make you intolerant of others' failings.&lt;br /&gt;
-Seek self fulfillment rather than service.&lt;br /&gt;
-Appeal to your vanity and assure you that you are a great person.&lt;br /&gt;
-Bring darkness.&lt;br /&gt;
-Repulse the Holy Ghost.&lt;br /&gt;
-Prevent you from repenting and forsaking sins.&lt;br /&gt;
-Interfere with serving others.&lt;br /&gt;
-Focus on yourself rather than the needs of others.&lt;br /&gt;
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Do not think all spiritual experiences can be trusted. There is no difference between the activities of deceiving spirits today and those in Kirtland, as well as those in the New Testament times. If you follow the Lord you must still test the spirits and only follow those which point to Christ. (&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/nt/1-jn/4.1?lang=eng#primary"&gt;1 John 4: 1&lt;/a&gt;.)&amp;nbsp;Even Joseph Smith had to ask God about some of the phenomena going on in Kirtland before he knew which were of God and which were deceiving.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-7737350877699465946?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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Nephi records he made two sets of plates. On one he recorded the "full record" of his people. We do not have that record. On the other he included little history and a summary of his religious teachings and prophecies. (&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/1-ne/9.2?lang=eng#1"&gt;1 Ne. 9: 2&lt;/a&gt;) The small plates we have are devoted primarily to his "ministry." (&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/1-ne/9.4?lang=eng#3"&gt;1 Ne. 9: 4&lt;/a&gt;.) When Nephi prepared the first, larger plates, he was unaware he would later receive a commandment to make the second, shorter record devoted to only his ministry. (&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/1-ne/19.1-3?lang=eng#primary"&gt;1 Ne. 19: 1-3&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;
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The commandment to make the second set of plates was not given until after Lehi died in the promised land, and Nephi and those who followed him separated from his older brothers Laman and Lemuel. (&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/5.30?lang=eng#29"&gt;2 Ne. 5: 30&lt;/a&gt;.) This would have been several decades after the events in and around Jerusalem.&lt;br /&gt;
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Mormon did not use Nephi's "small plates" to abridge in his original book. He used Nephi's large plates, containing "more history part" of the people. But, after finishing his abridgement, he attached the small plates to his abridged record, noting that the small plates he attached contained "this small account" of the prophets from Jacob down to King Benjamin. (&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/w-of-m/1.3?lang=eng#2"&gt;Words of Mormon 1: 3&lt;/a&gt;.) Within the small plates Mormon explained there were "many of the words of Nephi" (Id.). For all of Nephi's words, we would need access to the large plates.&lt;br /&gt;
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The "Book of Mormon" included: 1) Mormon's summary of the Nephite records, which was based on the larger plates and not the smaller ones, 2) The small plates of Nephi, 3) Moroni's translation of part of the Jaredite records,&amp;nbsp;4) Some correspondence between Mormon and Moroni, along with Moroni's final warnings, and 5) An extensive, sealed and untranslated record containing information not yet revealed to us (&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/27.6-8?lang=eng#5"&gt;2 Ne. 27: 6-8&lt;/a&gt;). We no longer have a portion of part 1, it having been lost through Martin Harris' neglect. It was not re-translated after the first version was lost. (See &lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/10.30?lang=eng#29"&gt;D&amp;amp;C 10: 30&lt;/a&gt;.) Part 5, or the sealed portion of the record, contains a revelation from God of everything from the beginning to the end (&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/27.7?lang=eng#6"&gt;2 Ne. 27: 7&lt;/a&gt;.)&lt;br /&gt;
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When "the Book of Mormon" is said to contain the "fullness of the Gospel" (&lt;a href="http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/42.12?lang=eng#11"&gt;D&amp;amp;C 42: 12&lt;/a&gt;) is that referring to what we have now (parts 2, 3, 4)? Does it or did it also include&amp;nbsp;what was originally included by Mormon, but has been lost to us as a result of Martin Harris (part 1)? Does it include the sealed portion of the record we have never been given (part 5)? Although the traditional discussion presumes what we now have (parts 2, 3, 4) are what is meant by "the Book of Mormon" there are other possible meanings.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3880654315943365046-4391183899142488831?l=denversnuffer.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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