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About Us Update; How & Why of our Genealogy Publishing Journey.

noreply@blogger.com (Alex W Fraser, Rhoda Ross, Alex Fraser) — Mon, 26 Sep 2016 18:00:00 +0000

About Us Update; How & Why of our Genealogy Publishing Journey.

ALEX W FRASER and Rhoda Ross

The Glengarry Genealogical Society 1974

Highland Heritage ca 1981

Courtenay, BC 866 517 2113 jars924@me.com 250 338 6334

Photo Alex & Rhoda

Sep 2016 update

Due to a recent unfortunate incident in August, I thought it would be wise to clarify a couple of aspects of the How & Why of this journey we are on in Glengarry County Genealogy & Publishing.

1st - I have never claimed to be a Professional Genealogist. If a viewer of our work assumed that, that was their choice & mistake. This question probably has come up the odd time in the last 30 to 40 years, but not with the persistence of the present situation.

2nd - I have never claimed to be part of any Certified Professional Genealogical Association. If a viewer of our work assumed that, that was their choice & mistake.

3rd - My experience these 45 years came as a result of the Grace of God, openness, collecting and sorting family information, instinct, intuition, gut feeling, and a subtle knowingness as to who belonged to what families from collecting, reviewing obituaries, Gravestone inscriptions, church records, land records, etc.

4th - You never know where genealogy research is going to take you. With pre-conceived expectations the viewer can be in for a shock with what results can show up.

5th - Yes, I do research for people from time to time. I am under no obligation to accept research requests from anyone. Likewise, if I do, I am also at liberty to return any research deposit if I deem that necessary. In the above incident, I deemed it necessary to return the research deposit. When I do research, then that person is paying for my time, not buying or purchasing the resulted documentation. Depending on the information I am presented with as a starting point, then depending on what results come about, the person who made the request will usually get some documents sent to them. I do not manufacture the results. The results come from the research done.

6th - Any research results I end up with — They are as they are —- I stand behind those results, until new factual documentation comes about to change things. I do not claim the results are right or wrong, good or bad. I leave that to the viewer to decide. The results are as they are. The viewer makes a choice as to whether they agree, accept or believe the results presented from their perspective to determine its validity.

7th — The WHY of this journey is, was to preserve the history, family history in particular of the Glengarry County Ontario and area and make it available to those so interested. Linking families as best we could & were possible documenting same. Much has been done, more still has to be done. In the results that now exist, we have done the best we could within the circumstances that had to be dealt with and still have to be dealt with.

8th - Here are some examples of how easy it is when dealing with Macs, especially MacDonalds, MacDonells, to have the right names and the wrong people at the same time. This in most cases is unavoidable and happens to most if not all of us, myself included, who do genealogy research at one time or another. Mistakes, Red Flags, Discrepancies in Genealogy research. Solving this requires putting more detailed meat on the bones of the names concerned with dates, BMD etc.

These examples are based on the information I was aware of at the time, date of completion of article, even if new information came along after completion of any specific outline made.

Ex 1— The Alexander MacDonell Dilemma.

http://glengarrycountyareabooks.blogspot.ca/2016/06/who-is-this-alexander-macdonell.html

Ex 2 — The John MacDonald Dilemma {Mistakes in Genealogy]

http://glengarrycountyareabooks.blogspot.ca/2016/09/the-john-macdonald-dilemma.html

Ex 3 — Angus MacDonald & Janet MacDonald, right names, wrong people

http://glengarrycountyareabooks.blogspot.ca/2014/08/angus-macdonald-janet-macdonald-right.html

Ex 4 — The Alexander McNaughton Dilemma

http://mcnaughtonsofglengarry.blogspot.ca/2015/09/the-alexander-mcnaughton-dilemma.html

To those who made the choice to support us over these past 45 years for books or research our sincere thanks. We hope the results were beneficial more that confusing.

take care and God Bless

Alex W Fraser

Courtenay, BC

ALEX W FRASER, born 1940 in Charlottenburgh Township, Lancaster, Ontario, County of Glengarry, whose United Empire Loyalist ancestors settled in the area in 1784, attended school in Lancaster and Williamstown. After leaving High School he worked with Bell Canada for a few years. In 1967 Alex got ill while attending school in Ottawa, Ontario. During convalescence from this illness, in 1971, he was inspired to use his spare time to interest himself in the ancestry of his mother and his father. He began actively to pursue this quest by searching local records, visiting cemeteries, etc. It was in this pursuit that he realized the necessity to preserve headstone inscriptions, so set about to copy them in full. The interest and response people showed in his endeavour led to the publication of Gravestones of Glengarry Volume 1, Williamstown, in September 1976, Volume 2 in 1978. Volume 3 St Raphaels in 1988, Volume 4 Alexandria in 2008. Vol 5 Kirk Hill, 6 Breadalbane, 7 Lochiel, 8 Glen Nevis Dalhousie in 2012, 9 Salem Precious Blood, 10 Martintown - Apple Hill, 11 Kenyon Township 2013, 14 Lonely Stones, 15 Master Index, http://glengarrycounty.com/gofg.html

This effort in preserving local Glengarry County area history has kept him busy for the last 45 plus years. In this time period we have published over 38,000 pages of material on the Glengarry Stormont County Ontario and Area.

Mr. Fraser has been genealogist for the Glengarry Historical Society, the genealogist (Glengarry County) & founding member for the St Lawrence United Empire Loyalists Branch of Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry. He was also the 1st host for the counties of Glengarry, Stormont, Prescott Ontario with the Ontario GenWeb and 1st host for the counties of Soulanges & Vaudreuil Quebec with the Quebec GenWeb. He & Rhoda are also a member of the Comox Valley Celtic Club for these past 10 or so years.

In 1992 he received the Canada 125th Anniversary medal.

1997 received “The Morley K Thomas Award “ for 30 years of weather observing for Environment Canada

In 1998 Alex joined NATO/Bitron and started using this excellent product to reduce his fuel and maintenance costs. In 2006 under Bitron with Dick Simmonds Bitron President reached the Director, Founder and Presidential level in Bitron. He is averaging with his 1997 GMC 1/2 truck over these 12+ years basically every 3rd tank of gas Free. His truck fuel consumption when from an average of 17 mpg to an average of 24mpg over these 1 years. Bitron Global is now Natureline Solutions

Alex, now lives in Courtenay, BC with his wife, helper, companion and adviser, Rhoda Ross as they continue their efforts in preserving local Glengarry area history. This present work being the latest of that endeavour.

RHODA P WESTLAKE ROSS, born 1932 in Montreal, Quebec whose ancestors came from England in 1875 and Stornoway, Scotland about 1928. Educated in local Montreal schools, she married John Ross of Curry Hill, Ontario in 1951 and had 5 children, 3 boys and 2 girls. She presently has 12 grandchildren. After her husband John died in the summer of 1976 she became involved in helping Alex with his research, collecting information and publishing. They have been working as a team ever since. Rhoda also enjoys oil painting, baking and gardening.

Rhoda has now finished her major work on the McNaughton’s of Glengarry 5 volume family history, about 1800 pages which has been published.

In 2003 or 4 she joined the area Originals Only painting group and has displayed her numerous paintings in at least 4 of the Original Only shows since.

See her Comox Valley Blog at http://comoxvalleyapictorialview.blogspot.ca/2013/01/the-comox-valley-welcome.html This consists of 26 posts showing a pictorial view of the Comox Valley

In these 45 plus years we have published more than 38,000 pages of material on Glengarry County & area.

This is equivalent to about 237 single title books of 160 pages each

One of our current projects is sorting out the Quinns from St Anicet, Que Glengarry and getting acquainted with the DNA results for a couple of Quinn Descendants.

Family histories

http://glengarrycounty.com/famhis.html

Gravestones inscriptions published

http://glengarrycounty.com/cem.html

Church records published

http://glengarrycounty.com/churches.html

Our [Alex W Fraser Rhoda Ross] titles

http://glengarrycounty.com/awfrrbks.html

The latest efforts is on the MacDonald of Loup Lundie and Fraser Connections on CD Version 5 [2015] of over 34,000 entries.

http://glengarrycounty.com/loupv5index.html

What’s New http://glengarrycountyareabooks.blogspot.ca/

Sep 2016

Alex W Fraser

420 Harmston Ave.,

Courtenay, BC V9N 2X2

Tel 250-338-6334 or 866-517-2113

E mail info@glengarrycounty.com jars924@me.com

Web http://glengarrycounty.com/awfrrbks.html

A photo journey of our many titles can be viewed at

http://ow.ly/4PWMa

1971 September 2016

This Journey started in 1971 when I started to do my Fraser & MacDonald, MacDonell family history.

You never know where Genealogy Research will take you.

The John MacDonald Dilemma

noreply@blogger.com (Alex W Fraser, Rhoda Ross, Alex Fraser) — Tue, 06 Sep 2016 08:00:00 +0000

Mistakes in Genealogies

The John MacDonald Dilemma

Here is a good example of what I mean by the statement

there are bound to be mistakes, red flags, glitches in some genealogies

The following underlined info on John D was sent to me as part of a family history to be checked over. On reviewing this info, It created as RED FLAG when the dates of birth & death were looked at. As i started to put more meat on the bones of this John D, it became obvious that two John MacDonalds were being mixed up.

Initially mistakes, glitches like this are almost automatic for all of us doing genealogy, myself included. They are called mistakes, but not real mistakes, just red flags, glitches until more research is done on the person concern from the discrepancies that are the starting point.

Below are my observations on these two John MacDonalds

Following that is the documentation backing up these observations.

John D 1805-1878 was actually born in May 1806 while the other John was born in 1818.

I do not claim anything by these results, good, bad, right, wrong or indifferent. I leave that to the viewer. I simply present the results. It is as it is.

2. John D MacDonald, born 02 Oct 1818 in 1/1st Locheil, Ontario; died 24 Mar 1878 in 34/3rd

Lochiel, Ontario (census 1851 b: 1810). He was the son of 4. Roderick (Taylor) MacDonald and 5. Oirig (Harriet) McCormick. He married 3. Nancy (Ann) MacGillis Abt. 08 Apr 1849 in unknown.

3. Nancy (Ann) MacGillis, born 1817; died 27 Sep 1868 in 34/3rd Lochiel, Ontario (census 1851 b:

1818). She was the daughter of 6. Neil MacGillis and 7. Mary MacMaster.

here is the church death record for the John who died in 1878

from St Finnan’s RC BMD 1878 deaths

D9 John D McDonald

On this 26th day of March 1878, I the undersigned parish priest have interred in the catholic cemetery of Alexandria, the body of John D McDonald 34-3 Lochiel, deceased suddenly of heart decease, on the 24th instant aged about 73 years. Were present at the internment Alexander McKinnon jun’r 36-3 Lochiel, George Harrison Esq., Allan B McDonald, Esq., Angus McGillis 32-3 Lochiel, John McDonald [Allan] 35-4 Lochiel and others.

John S O’Connor pp

here is what is on the tombstone for the john who died in 1878 see also photo

from Gravestones of Glengarry Vol.4 Alexandria, St Finnan’s cemetery, 2008 by Alex Fraser Rhoda Ross

#347 McD

West side

John D. McDonald 1805 - 1878; his wife, Ann McGillis, 1817 - 1868, their

dau. Catherine F. 1860 - 1913, Mary McDonald 1842 - 1902.

McDONALD

here is the church record for the John born in 1818

from St Raphaels RC BMD 1818 Baptisms

B116 John MacDonald

The 8th day of October 1818, I the undersigned priest and vicar of St. Raphaels baptised John born the 2nd of October of the lawful marriage of Roderick MacDonald and of Oirig MacCormick. Sponsors John MacDonald and Catherina MacDonald.

J. MacDonald P

John McDonald died March 24th, 1878 age 73 from Ontario Deaths
bottom middle

MY OBSERVATIONS ON THE ABOVE Take them as you are able to as you digest this outline.

all these observations are subject to further clarification and correction as I am going on what info is available. more research has to be done on both these Johns before this can really be fully sorted out.

Am I missing something, probably, anyway these are my observations at present.

1— according to the church death record and tombstone for the John who died in 1878 he was age 73 thus indicating he was born in 1805

2— according to the baptism record of John born 1818 there is no indication that he was more than 6 days old at the time of his baptism

3— thus there is a 13 year gap between these 2 records, 1805 and 1818, thus a RED FLAG

4— thus the person born in 1818 is not the same John who married Nancy McGillis as is indicated by the church record and tombstone

5— thus two John’s are being mixed up

6— The info is both right and wrong at the same time. The name is right but it is for a different person

7— This is how easy it is to be right and wrong at the same time

8— when dealing with similar names like john or Alex or Mary it is easy to believe you have the right person. Once you begin to put meat on the bones a different scenario appears.

9— thus it appears that these 2 Johns were brothers born 13 years a part, providing also that they were both the sons of Roderick ‘Taylor’

10— without paying attention to what a person is looking at it becomes very easy to make these kind of mistakes and that is why I put a lot of cautions in the MacDonald of Loup work I do. You can have the right names but the wrong people and not know it.

11— this is why detailed information is required not just brief summaries.

12— Also see p.70, 90, 91 of McCormick’s of Glengarry by Thelma McDonald & Mary Divine

where she has the John who married Nancy McGillis dieing in 1886

13— take away the John born in 1818 as the husband of Nancy McGillis and we have a whole new ball game on our hands.

14— There is basically no indication for the John born ca 1805 or marriage record in 1849 that provides info as to who his parents actually are.

15— Roderick taylor died in 1852 on Loch 1C N29 at age 70

16— John who died in 1878 was on Loch 3C N34 age 73

17— also Roderick Taylor MacDonald and OIRIG/Harriet McCormick got married in 1817, 12 years after the John who was born in 1805.

18— Thus it is very unlikely that John born in 1805 is the son of Roderick Taylor.

19— Thus with all these discrepancies with these 2 John's it will throw of what ever ancestry was assumed that John 1805-1878 was part of.

20— Danny John would still be a son of John D but not a grandson of Roderick Taylor who died in 1852 on Loch 1C N29 at age 70

21— These decrepancies also give some credence to your statement "":has shown that there is something not right with the current set up of how families have been chart.""

22— Unless there is more factual evidence brought forward as to who this John born in 1805 ACTUALLY is, T MacD may still believe he is as descendant of Roderick Taylor. From where I stand this is only a vague assumption offering little to go on.

23— These 2 different John MacDonald with the info available are from 2 separate families and do not seem to be brothers either.

24— I know that with this outline I have some of this info wrong, mixed up in the MacDonalds of Loup V.5 CD which I was not aware of prior to doing this review.

25—How does T MacD know that this John born 1805 is actually the son of Roderick Taylor who died in 1852?

26— It is somewhat understandable that Roderick Taylor and his wife Harriet could have had a child in 1816 or so before their 1817 marriage. Although in the realm of possibility it seems very unlikely that they had a child 12 years before their 1817 marriage. Even if they had an extremely long relationship, again it seems very unlikely that they would have a child born in 1805.

27-- Please explain to me, how a person can die in 1878 at age 73 and be born in 1818?

take care and God Bless

Alex W Fraser

Aug 8/16

http://glengarrycounty.com/loupv5index.html

Documentation on the above observations.

JOHN D MCDONALD 1805 -1878 the ancestor of T MacDonald who married Nancy McGillis

Thus, there are 2 different John McDonalds from 2 different families being mixed up creating this dilemma..

John D 1805- is not the son of Roderick Taylor MacDonald & Harriet McCormick

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Alex W Fraser: Observations on this documentation records made without prejudice or criticism The viewer is under no obligation to accept, agree, believe the conclusions as stated here as a result of the documentation/records I am presently aware off. How the person views this. is their choice, it can & will change their view point or not, but it does not change the results stated unless new factual documentation evidence surfaces.This result will be left as is to stand on its own.

I do not claim anything by these results, good, bad, right, wrong or indifferent. I leave that to the viewer. I simply present the results. It is as it is. These results are all subject to further clarification and Correctionj.

Aug 10 2016

a quick overview of John D MacDonald ancestry, see chart

from St Raphael’s RC BMD 1806 baptisms

B22 John MacDonald

John MacDonald lawful son of Donald MacDonald and Ann MacDonald was born the 6th and was baptized the 18th of May 1806. The sponsors were James MacDonell and Catherine MacDonald.

from the 1839 census

Lochiel 3rd concession

34 3 W.5 John M'Donald

Marriage to Nancy McGillis April 1849 has no documentation, source to back up date or location
Update 9/29/16 .. Thanks to James Allan MacDonald, CT USA for bring this marriage to my attention.

from St Finnan’s RC BAMD 1849 marriages

B3a John McDonald & Nancy McGillis

On the 8th day of April 1849 after one publication of the marriage banns, the other 2 being forgotten & ation? given gratis, & dispense of the undersigned priest have married John McDonald son of Donald Donald McDonald and Nancy McDonell, to Nancy Magillis daughter of the late Neil Mcgillis and Mary McMastre. Witness Archy McDonell, Allan McKinnon, & Alec McNeil

Denis Begley

from St Finnan's RC BMD 1878 deaths

John McDonald died March 24th, 1878 age 73 from Ontario Deaths
bottom middle

D9 John D McDonald

On this 26th day of March 1878, I the undersigned parish priest have interred in the catholic cemetery of Alexandria, the body of John D McDonald 34-3 Lochiel, deceased suddenly of heart decease, on the 24th instant aged about 73 years. Were present at the internment Alexander McKinnon jun’r 36-3 Lochiel, George Harrison Esq., Allan B McDonald, Esq., Angus McGillis 32-3 Lochiel, John McDonald [Allan] 35-4 Lochiel and others.

John S O’Connor pp

from Gravestones of Glengarry Vol.4 Alexandria, St Finnan’s cemetery, 2008 by Alex W Fraser Rhoda Ross

#347 McD

West side

John D. McDonald 1805 - 1878; his wife, Ann McGillis, 1817 - 1868, their dau. Catherine F. 1860 - 1913, Mary McDonald 1842 - 1902.

McDONALD

North side

Henrietta McDonald 1894 - 1895; Joseph Autey 1912 - 1917

East side

Dan J. McDonald died Feb. 12, 1922 aged 64 yrs. His wife, Harriet

MacDonald, 1863 - 1953; Sally MacDonald 1898 - 1962; Ann L. MacDonald Sept. 28, 1887 - Aug. 14, 1972. R.I.P.

McDONALD

photo image above of official Ontario death record for John D MCDONALD, bottom row middle Mar 24 1878

from 1861 census see lines 32 to 37

This is a scenario of a strong impression I have on the ancestry of John D MacDonald 1805-1878

I have a strong impression, right or wrong on the following aspect of the John McDonald Conundrum I have help create or added to

These clues may or may not mean or lead anywhere, nevertheless

here they are

The “ D “ in John D McDonald may refer to the name of his father Duncan or Donald. More likely Donald

In the 1861 census, Provided we found the right John McDonald family there is an Ann McDonald listed at age 80 and that could be, but not necessarily John’s mother

also in 1850 there was an Arch McDonald died on 34/3 Lochiel age 29 son of Donald of Allan Ban Egg

from Fr John ’s Diary

APR 23 1850 ARCH MD, AGE 26, IN LOCHIEL 3C N34 IN EGG, HUSBAND OF MARY MACDOUGALD; SON OF DONALD OF ALLAN "EGG”.

and

MACDONALD, FLORA ON JUL 3 1856, IN KENYON 1C N1, DAU OF DONALD SON OF ALLAN BAN "EGGICH"; WIFE OF ANGUS MACDOUGALL SON OF ANGUS OF DONALD OF ANGUS OF JOHN BAN.

based on very sketchy evidence my scenario is as follows

Lets assume that John D is the son of Ann as stated above.

lets also assume that the D in the John D represents Donald the father

As Arch 34/3 Loch & Flora are children of Donald & Ann, its assume that this John D is their brother

I have nothing other than what i state above to back up this presumption.

AWF Aug 9, 2016

In addition to this I came across the following in Fr John’s Diary 1819-1866 & 1839 Census in part;

from Fr John’s Diary of Deaths 1819-1866 & 1839 Census in part, 1992, edited by Alex W Fraser

3C N_ -MACDONALD, DONALD ON JUN 5 1855, SON OF ALLAN BAN "EGGACH".

No death record was found in St Finnan’s for Donald in 1855

from the 1839 census in part for Lochiel 3rd concession

lot 35 3rd

Donald McDonald

Nancy " his wife

Angus

Allan

Archibald

Flory

Catherine 14

Mary 12

Margery 10

Rannal 8

from Fr john’s Diary of Deaths 1819-1866 & 1839 Census in part, 1992, edited by Alex W Fraser

MACDONALD, NANCY ON MAY 19 1864, IN LOCHIEL, DAU OF ALLAN SON OF ALEX OF

MAY 19 64 NANCY MD, IN LOCHIEL, DAU OF ALLAN SON OF ALEX OF DONALD: & WIDOW OF DONALD MD SON OF ALLAN BAN, EGG LOCH 12,

from St Finnan’s RC BMD 1864 deaths

D11 ______ wife of D McDonell

On the 9th day of May 1864 the body of _______ widow of the late Donald McDonald 35-3 Lochiel was interred in the presence of John McDonald, Angus McGillis & others.

James I Chisholm

John McDonald was at his mothers funeral in 1864

from St Raphael’s RC BMD 1830 baptisms

B85 Ranald MacDonell

On the 31st day of May 1830, we the undersigned priest officiating in the parish of St. Raphaels have baptised Ranald born on this day the 31st of May of the lawful marriage of Donald MacDonell and of Anne MacDonell of Lot no. 35 in the 3rd concession of Lochiel. Sponsors Daniel MacNeil and Anne MacDonell.

Cullin priest

from St Finnan’s RC BMD 1857 marriages, Alexandria, Ont

M 9 RANALD McDonell and Isabella Fraser

On the 9th day of August 1857 Ranald McDonell son of Donald McDonell deceased and Ann McDonald Lot No 35 - 3rd Lochiel was married to Isabella Fraser daughter of Alexander Fraser and Christy McDonald of the 2nd Con Kenyon after one publication. No impediment was discovered. Witness Robert Quigly and Jannat McDonald.

James J. Chisholm

from St Finnan’s RC BMD 1874 deaths

D29 Ranald McDonald 35/3 Lochiel

On this 3rd day of August 1874, I the undersigned parish priest have interred in the catholic cemetery at Alexandria, the body of Ranald McDonald deceased 1st instant, on the lot wherein he had been born, 35/3 Lochiel Glengarry Canada, aged 42 years. Were present at the internment his brother John D McDonald, Alex’r D McKinnon, Capt Lauchlin McDougald and many others.

John S O’Connor

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Alex W Fraser:

Observations on the above documentation records made without prejudice or criticism The viewer is under no obligation to accept, agree, believe the conclusions as stated here as a result of the documentation/records I am presently aware off. How the person views this. is their choice, it can & will change their view point or not, but it does not change the results stated unless new factual documentation evidence surfaces.This result will be left as is to stand on its own.

I do not claim anything by these results, good, bad, right, wrong or indifferent. I leave that to the viewer. I simply present the results.

Aug 10 2016

My earlier observations stand as is and plus the following

The proof of the parents of John D, in a nutshell is in the St Finnan ’s Church death record of Ranald McDonald as shown above

Ranald according to his marriage to Isabella Fraser in 1857 is the son of Donald and Ann McDonald

In the death record of Ranald 1874 it states that Ranald had a brother John D; Thus John D has to be a son of the same Donald and Ann MacDonald.

Thus, there are 2 different John’s from 2 different families being mixed up creating this dilemma..

1— John D born in 1805 & died in 1878, the son of Donald & Ann McDonald of 35/3 Lochiel

from St Raphael’s RC BMD 1806 baptisms

B22 John MacDonald

John MacDonald lawful son of Donald MacDonald and Ann MacDonald was born the 6th and was baptized the 18th of May 1806. The sponsors were James MacDonell and Catherine MacDonald.

2— John who was born in 1818 - ??? the son of Roderick Taylor MacDonald & Harriet McCormick of 29/1 Loch. Little at present is known about this John.

from St Raphaels RC BMD 1818 Baptisms

B116 John MacDonald

J. MacDonald P P

3— St Finnan’s Church death record for John D states he was 73 when he died in March 1878

4— the tombstone inscription for this John D is 1805-1878

5— the Ontario official death record states John D is 73 when he died inn March 1878

6— the 1861 census indicates this John D is age 53

7— As a result of this outline presentation on John D MacDonald 1805-1878, it shows that John D born 1805/06 is not the son of Roderick Taylor MacDonald & Harriet McCormick.

8-- That the John born in 1818 is the son of Roderick Taylor MacDonald & Harriet McCormick. This John born in 1818 is not the ancestor of T MacDonald.

Will there be questions come about as these results are viewed. I will be surprised if they didn’t, even thought I may never see or hear about them.

Enjoy the journey

take care and God Bless

Alex W Fraser

Courtenay, BC

http://glengarrycounty.com/awfrrbks.html

Aug 11 2016 updated Sep 1/16

WHO IS THIS ALEXANDER MACDONELL !!!

noreply@blogger.com (Alex W Fraser, Rhoda Ross, Alex Fraser) — Sat, 11 Jun 2016 04:13:00 +0000

WHO IS THIS ALEXANDER MACDONELL !!!

The Alexander MacDonell Dilemma.

Was sent this query

Note to those researching Deaf Alex McDonell , purportedly the son of Spanish John McDonell

young1451 (View posts)

Posted: 8 Jun 2016 9:46PM GMT

Classification: Query

While researching Spanish John McDonell`s family , I stumbled upon an old Posting by Donald Chisholm to the now defunct website Genealogy.com . In this Posting is mentioned a letter written by Spanish John McDonell to his son John McDonell and Dated 16 March 1800 , which included the following quote : ` Àllick burgh the King`s son who died by the fall of a tree last fall `. Since Deaf Alex McDonell tombstone is located just south of the replica log church in the Pioneer graveyard at St Andrews West Ont. , and it says something to the effect that he was killed by a falling tree in 1799 , it would appear that he was not a son of Spanish John

some observations which may or may not be correct and is subject to correction and further clarification

Àllick burgh the King`s son who died by the fall of a tree last fall This is Alex Bui the King’s son

Here the term “ King” , I believe belongs to a reference to John MacDonell who was married to a Catherine MacDonell

This Alex was married to a Janet Cameron who died in 1828

from Gravestones of Glengarry Vol.14, Lonely Stones, Old St Andrews West cemetery 2015, by Alex W Fraser Rhoda Ross http://glengarrycounty.com/gofg.html

#11 In Memory of Alexander McDonell who was killed by the falling of a tree, Nov. 11, 1799 age 38 yrs.

Janet his wife died Sept. 1828 age, 67 yrs [Janet Cameron, dau of John Cameron 6 - 4th Cornwall]

from Reid’s Loyalists in Ontario, Sons & daughter of American Loyalists by William D Reid 1973

McDONELL, Alexander (King's Son) of Cornwall.

Alexander of Cornwall. OC 2 Feb 1819.

Catharine, m. Archibald McDonell of Cornwall, Asstt Adj. Gen. of Militia. OC 7 Feb 1821.

Janet, m. (1) Alexander McMillan of Cornwall. OC 7 Feb 1821.

m. (2) Duncan McDonell of St. Andrews, Cornwall, lumber merchant.

Alex ‘Bui had the following children

Catherine ca 1787 who married Archibald ’Taylor’ MacDonell in Sep 1807

Janet ca 1791 who married Alexander MacMillan at St Raphael’s March 1816

Alexander ca 1793 who married a Mary MacDonell

Allan King ca 1795 who marred Catherine Scott at St Raphael’s in Jan 1818

William ca 1797 who died in Hamilton in Aug 1849

Deaf Alex

from William D Reid’s Loyalists in Ontario, Sons & daughter of American Loyalists, 1973 p. 190

McDonell, Alexander [Deaf], E half 10 south side Middle Branch, River aux Raisin, Cornwall. Died prior to November 1815

John of Cornwall, OC 14 Jan 1812

Angus of Cornwall. OC 14 Jan 1812

Allan of Cornwall. OC 11 Nov 1815

Christy, m Duncan Scott of Cornwall. OC 11 Nov 1815

Alexander of Cornwall. OC 23 Nov 1816

Mary, m John McPherson of Charlottenburgh. OC 23 Nov 1816

Catharine. OC 23 Nov 1816

Deaf Alex had the following children

Alexander ca 1790 who married a Mary MacDonell dau of John at St Raphael’s in Nov 1816

Christina ca 1794 who married a Duncan Scott at St Raphael’s Feb 1813

Mary ca 1797 who married a John McPherson ca 1828

John

Angus

Allan

Catherine

Why did William D Reid list a separate entry for Alex King's son and Deaf Alex, if they were the same person?

This Alex Bui [ Burgh] the King’s son and Deaf Alex MacDonell do not appear to be the same person. Even with some similarities, like they were both married to a Janet Cameron, but there seems to be more discrepancies, like

Alex Bui lived on the 5th concession of Cornwall twp

while Deaf Alex lived on E half 10 south side Middle Branch, River aux Raisin, Cornwall twp.

Based on the notes of this web site, http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/mcdonell/305/ I think there are different 2 Alexander MacDonells that are being mixed up

Names of children do not match

I do not believe that Deaf Alex MacDonell was the son of Spanish John

All the above observations are subject to correction

take care and God Bless

Alex W Fraser

Courtenay, BC

http://glengarrycounty.com/awfrrbks.html

also see index MacDonalds of Loup at http://glengarrycounty.com/loupv5index.html

June 10, 2016

High School Entrance Examinations June 27th, 28th and 29th,1900

noreply@blogger.com (Alex W Fraser, Rhoda Ross, Alex Fraser) — Fri, 08 Apr 2016 02:39:00 +0000

High School Entrance ExaminationsJune 27th, 28th and 29th, 1900

Glengarry County

The number of Marks possible to obtain 1,100. Minimum to pass 550

Number of Pupils examined at Alexandria 61; at Maxville, 50. total for Alexandria High School District, comprising Kenyon, Lochiel and Maxville, 117. Number at Williamstown, 40; at Lancaster, 26,; at North Lancaster, 15. Total for the Williamstown High School District, composed of, Charlottenburgh, Lancaster and Lancaster village, 81.

NAMES OF SUCCESSFUL PUPILS

Alexandria

Name Mark Teacher

Roderick Carey 684 Miss E Kennedy

John A Cuthbert 611 Miss F Corbett

Peter Gelineau 554 Miss M Cameron

John J Irvine 670 Miss ___ Carlyle

G C Kirk 641 P A Shaver

William Lebeouf 696 Miss Kennedy?

David Markson 707 P A Shaver

Simpson Markson 692 Miss ____ Carlyle

James McKenzie 713 Miss ____ McSweyn

Donald McDonald 614 Miss C McDonell

Gordon McDonald 684 Archibald Cameron

Archibald Mcgillivray 605 Miss ____ Carlyle

Roderick McMillan 641 Miss ____ Carlyle

Roderick McLeod 639 H McIntosh

Abraham Poirier 586 Miss F Corbett

Annie A Cattanach 587 Miss ____ Carlyle

Lizzie Hayden 646 Convent, Alexandria

Mary Bell Heath 552 Miss M Stuart

Alice Huot 631 Convent, Alexandria

Rosa Larocque 655 Convent, Alexandria

Mary McFarlane 651 Miss ____ Carlyle

Mary MacKenzie 554 Miss c Campbell

Annie McLeod 579 D J Stewart

Kate Anne McLeod 643 D J Stewart

Hattie McMartin 694 Convent, Alexandria

Katie M Millan 709 H McIntosh

Jemima McPhee 621 Convent, Alexandria

Maud Shaver 555 Miss ____ Carlyle

Rosie Trottier 550 Miss C Campbell

Average total marks of admitted candidates 636

MAXVILLE

Archibald Christie 616 Wilfred Kennedy

Angus? Kennedy 642 Wilfred Kennedy

James A McArthur? 554 Miss E J McGregor

Ben D McDougall 617 Miss E J McGregor

Wallace MacKenzie 616 John A McLeod

George Leslie McKercher 624 Miss ____ McDiarmid

John McLennan 561 Miss ____ Gordon

Ebenezer D McNaughton 678 Wilfred Kennedy

David McRae 662 Miss E J McGregor

Clara J Bennet 562 Miss McDiarmid

Sarah Ann Campbell 556 John A McLeod

Ethel Christie 715 Wilfred Kennedy

Ida Gallinger 554 Miss M Aird

Margaret A Morrison 551 Wilfred Kennedy

Florence Munroe 571 Wilfred Kennedy

Catherine Elma McArthur 615 Miss M Aird

Olive C McEwan 564 Miss M Munroe

Ellen McLennan 566 Miss ____ Gordon

Effie McNaughton 609 Miss Gordon

Clotilda McRae 553 M MacKenzie

Maggie A McRae 613 Miss C Aird

Laura M Weegar 581 Miss E J McGregor

Average total marks of admitted candidates 599

WILLIAMSTOWN

Clarence Cattanach 612 H H Christie

Fred Christie 711 W B McEwan

Clifford Clark 550 Miss ____ Synder

Hugh M Grant 646 Miss M McDonald

James McBain 551 H H Christie

James McCallum 693 W B McEwan

Alex D McDougall 681 Miss C McGillis

Ross McEwan 603 W B McEwan

Ernest McGregor 613 Miss J Dingwall

James Sandilands 643 Miss F Cumming

Annie M Campbell 638 W B McEwan

Agnes A Joubert 550 H H Christie

Victoria Larocque 552 Miss J McGillis

D McCrimmon 554 H H Christie

Leila McDermid 627 Miss G McDonald

Kate M McLennan 555 Miss L Dingwall

Maggie McMartin 551 W B McEwan

Leila Perry 576 Miss ____ Blondin

Ethel Ross 811 H H Christie

Lillie Ross 675 Miss ____ Blondin

Ida C Sangster 555 Miss L Dingwall

Lillie Shiells 734 Miss ____ Bowen

Jane A Taillon 670 H H Christie

Average total marks of admitted candidates 623

NORTH LANCASTER

Roderick McDonald 619 D D McCrimmon

Murdoch S McLeod 554 D D McCrimmon

William J McPherson 553 Miss C J McDonald

Josepuinus? Sayant 560 D D McCrimmon

Average total marks of admitted candidates 571

LANCASTER

Dawson McLean 693 Mr ____ Hood

Florence Davidson 657 Miss B McDiarmid

Florence Edgerton 657 Miss B McDiarmid

A __________ 550 Miss W B McBain

____________ 641 Miss B McDiarmid

Etie? McIntosh 567 Miss B McDiarmid

Florence Quinn ___ Miss W B McBain

Average total marks of admitted candidates 603

Glengarry County & Area Book Name index References

noreply@blogger.com (Alex W Fraser, Rhoda Ross, Alex Fraser) — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 23:42:00 +0000

Glengarry county Book Name index References

These titles have all been indexed with the entries so listed.


GLENGARRY COUNTY & AREA NAME INDEX REFERENCE
SOURCE	Entries
Canadian Glen Malloch Murrays photo name index	845
Cote St George BMD & Cemetery 1843-1990	3398
Fr John’s Diary of Deaths 1819-1866	2571
Gravestones of Glengarry Master index	43.597
Gravestones of Prescott Gravestones of Stormont Hephzibah BM 1899-1911 Williamstown 523
Kennedy’s, MacDiarmids, McDermids Munrosphoto name index	1325
Knox, Salem, St Andrew’s S Lancaster, Bainsville 1833-1978	9052
Lost Villages Cemetery index 4900 MacDonalds of Loupe, Lundie Fraser Connections V5	34034
MacDougalls, MacEwens, Stewarts, Munroes, Robertsons, PNI	1120
Maxville Its Centennial Story, photo name index	5610
Methodist Church BM 1878- 1903, Lancaster	450
Reflections of Monkland & District photo name index	1095
Rev James McNally BM 1836-1865 Prescott Co.	643
School of the Glens Photo Name index TSTG	3000
St Andrew’s BMD Williamstown Vol. 1 & 2 1779-1914	9800
St Andrew’s Presbyterian Martintown 1925-1990	2750
St Finnans RC BMD 1833 - 1883	8000
St John the Evangelist BMD & cemetery1898-1977	428
St John’s Presbyterian BMD Cornwall	4219
St Joseph’s RC BMD Lancaster 1904-1928	9000
St Raphael’s RC BMD 1804 - 1835 over	5100

	151,460
This is a partial list of the indexing we have done on Glengarry County and Area with out publications over the years. amounting to 151,460 entries from the above sources More items will be added to this list as we get things more fined tuned

total 151,460 entries

see update at http://glengarrycounty.com/glenbkindexref.html

enjoy the journey

take care and God Bless
Alex W Fraser
Courtenay, BC
http://glengarrycounty.com/download.html

Dalkeith History Society update 2016

noreply@blogger.com (Alex W Fraser, Rhoda Ross, Alex Fraser) — Tue, 19 Jan 2016 00:38:00 +0000

Greetings from the tiny town with a big heart

to let you know DHS is alive and kicking with the following upcoming activities

Coffee klatsch with Robbie Burns Jan. 30 at 1835 Dalkeith Road 10:30-12:30
DHS float in winter carnival parade starting 2pm jan 30

sat. February 13 DHS will be at the Heritage Fair, Cornwall Square. come visit10-3

Sunday March 20 at 1841 Dalkeith Road march madness indoor yard sale 11-2

April stay tuned for info on the Rigaud River paddle from Lochinvar to Robertson Mills.
Date fluctuates depending on water and weather conditions. short notice

May/Early June-Anniversary Tea stay tuned for details

July focus on Youth stay tuned for details

Come see the stencilling in Robertson Clark. it is remarkable. and we hope to restore it.

more info on the North glengarry township web-site
http://www.northglengarry.ca/en/Calendar/Default.aspx?PID=Community&Calendar=18f7a331-24fe-4b59-88e5-83df515b446d&_mid_=4221
Frances & al at DHS http://dalkeithhistory.com

Honouring Our 44th Anniversary 1971-2015

noreply@blogger.com (Alex W Fraser, Rhoda Ross, Alex Fraser) — Sun, 08 Nov 2015 21:31:00 +0000

Honouring Our 44th Anniversary 1971-2015 --
A genealogy and publishing journey of Alex W Fraser and Rhoda Ross

In early October after burning the selected CDs, a total of 47 copies were mailed out of the combo MacDonalds of Loupe, Lundie and Fraser connections and Gravestones of Glengarry Vol. 15 the Master Index. This includes 2 copies of this work to the Legal Deposit, Library and Archives Canada, Ottawa, Ontario This is a Special Limited edition of only 47 CDs.

Each of these CD's were individually checked. I check a number of files on each CD without any problems in accessing those same files

There was an extra bonus to 15 recipients. This bonus added 6 additional indices giving them a total a 115,193 name entries

As of Dec 25th, 2015, 13 recipients have acknowledged receipt of the 44th anniversary CD. To those 13 my sincere thanks.

Also as of Nov 30th there have been only 1 return of the Combo CD as a result of wrong addresses

The following have a complete set of Gravestones of Glengarry Series hard copy, including Vol. 15 Master Index on CD
SDG County Library, Cornwall, Ontario
National Library of Scotland, Edinburgh, Scotland
Mid continent Library, Independence, Missouri
Legal Deposit, Library & Archives Canada, Ottawa, Ontario.

Below is a copy of the introduction letter that went with each CD.

Alex , at 6 ft 4 in, standing beside stack of published

titles representing over 32,000 pages of Gravestones of Glengarry series in 15 volumes by

material on Glengarry County and area Alex W Fraser and Rhoda Ross 1976-2015

Sep1971 - 2015 Sep

Greetings

We are celebrating our 44th anniversary on this genealogy and publishing journey that started in 1971. In spite –– of the all the uncertainty, up and downs along the way, much has been accomplished.

To honour this anniversary of 44 years, a random section of 44 in total, individual people as well as some groups, across 3 continents some who supported us on and off through the 44 year and some who did not, are being sent a complimentary copy on CD of the Master Index of Gravestones of Glengarry, 43,597 entries as well as a complimentary copy of the MacDonalds of Loupe. Lundie and Fraser Connections, see read me first how to use this file of 34,034 entries with Family Notes.

This combination totals over 77,631 references to people in one way or another who are or have family connects to Glengarry County and area. This collection if printed out would be in the range of about 4,000 pages. The Master Index of Gravestones of Glengarry when printed out will be a little over 900 pages.

Family Notes Folder contains over 3 gigs with numerous files on background family information, including more than 200 completed questionnaires in part on various area families done by members of the Glengarry Genealogical Society in the 1980’s. Many family charts to review. Also references to U E Loyalist families, [from William D Reid, Loyalists in Ontario] many references to the Dictionary of Glengarry Biography by Royce MacGillivray

Yes, there will probably be some over lapping, nevertheless a big gang of connections to get acquainted with. This does not mean that you will find everything you are looking for in your family connections. It does offer the possibility of some names you find that could lead you closer to what you are actually looking for in your family research. Then again there might be nothing useful to you in this collection other than this gift you are receiving

With over 32,000 pages of material published on this journey, the equivalent of about 200 single titled books of 160 pages each.

Enjoy the journey. Use the information wisely and respectively. We are giving back

This enclosed CD information, index is all subject to further clarification and correction should new information come about to enhance this work or put it into a better perspective, or otherwise.

take care and God Bless

Alex W Fraser Rhoda Ross

Courtney, BC Canada

Aug/Nov 2015

jars924@me.com

http://glengarrycounty.com/awfrrbks.html

GLENGARRY HISTORY 'GHS' of upcoming events and Glengarry Archives

noreply@blogger.com (Alex W Fraser, Rhoda Ross, Alex Fraser) — Wed, 26 Aug 2015 19:42:00 +0000

Just received the lastest newsletter from

GLENGARRY HISTORY 'GHS' of upcoming events

MEMBER MEETINGS

2015-2016

September 3rd 2015 The Canadian Flag and the Glengarry Connection. Mackie Robertson

October 1st 2015 John McLennan, 1821-1893 and the Church in the Wildwood David Clifford

November 5th 2015 The Life and Times of Major the Very Rev. Ewen J. Macdonald MC.Allan J MacDonald

December 3rd 2015Glengarry and World War and the First War #4

Up the Line and Down the Line Robin Flockton

January 7th, 2016 Family Reminiscences 1914-18 GHS Members

February 4th 2016 History of Maple Syrup Gary Ivens

March 3rd 2016 John Rae and "Political Economy" in 1834. David Anderson

April 7th 2016 J T. Schell: Alexandria Industrialist. Dan Lanken

May 5th 2016 Annual General Meeting

ALL MEETINGS WILL BE AT THE CHURCH-ON-THE-HILL

ALEXANDRIA AT 7.30 PM

Members $5.00

Non-Members $10.00

Non-members and the general public are welcome to attend

Information: dorniemac@gmail.com or flockton23@outlook.com

613-209-0202

www.glengarryhistory.ca

Glengarry Archives

Genesis

After a decade of discussion, the Glengarry Historical Society decided to establish an Archives as its 50th anniversary project. Over the years many documents had been both donated to and collected by the Glengarry Historical Society and these had been stored at a number of locations throughout the County.

In January 2012, thanks to the generosity of Barry MacDonald, the bulk of the documents were moved from their various locations to the Priest's Mill in Alexandria. Almost immediately it became clear that we had insufficient space to do more than basic sorting. By May of 2012, the hunt was on for a larger accommodation. Thanks to David Anderson and Bernie MacCulloch, a meeting was arranged with the Ian MacLeod and Chris McDonell, the Mayors of South and North Glengarry in May. The objective of the meeting was for the Society to obtain a lease on the vacant Glengarry Land Registry Office in Alexandria. It was at this point that the two Mayors became interested in the potential for a Glengarry County Archives. Shortly after the May meeting the Society was able to enlist the help of a new GHS member, Allan J. MacDonald. Allan was formerly Deputy Archivist for Ontario.

In due course space was negotiated with the Upper Canada District School Board to house an Archives in the former French section of Glengarry District High School The partners in this development are the Townships of North Glengarry arid South Glengarry, Glengarry History and the Glengarry News. Allan J. MacDonald has been nominated County Archivist by both Townships. Though this is an honorary position, it nonetheless is an appointment of great importance. The County Archivist will be responsible for the management of records and archives stored under his care

The Board of Glengarry History voted to invest $20,000 in the Corporation that will govern the Glengarry County Archive. All archival material, including the D. A_ Macdonald Collection, is on permanent loan to the Glengarry County Archives..

The D A Macdonald Collection

During the course of 2012-2013, Glengarry History collected all the papers of D. A. MacDonald, former MP for Glengarry and Lieutenant Governor of Ontario. The documents were retrieved by Dane Lanken in perfect condition after 150 years of storage in an attic in Alexandria. This collection is believed to be of national significance and has not yet been studied by historians.

Hours:

The Archives, located at 212 Main St N, Alexandria, is open 10am-3pm, Wednesdays and Thursdays. http://www.northglengarry.ca/en/thingstodo/Glengarry-County-Archives.asp

posted by

Alex W Fraser Courtenay, BC http://glengarrycounty.com/awfrrbks.html 8/15

Some Suggestions or Steps in doing a family tree project.

noreply@blogger.com (Alex W Fraser, Rhoda Ross, Alex Fraser) — Tue, 13 Jan 2015 05:15:00 +0000

Some Suggestions or Steps in doing a family tree project.

What prompted this outline came about from the impression I got in reviewing posts from the Ontario Genealogy face book page. Here, it came across that a number of those individuals working to track down the individuals in their family tree did not seem to have much of an idea of all the steps required. I could be wrong with this impression, nevertheless a review of these steps could be useful.

The following are suggestions, a guideline only which a person can follow or not, filling in the gaps either in brief or as detailed as the information gathered provides.

Consider Looking at the journey this way.

Where I list ‘great grand parents’ that is simply an example and this term also refers to your ancestors in general.

What exactly would you like to know about the family and where abouts of your great grand parents/ancestors? The reason why I mention this, is that you can use these questions, suggestions, steps to produce your own biography so that when your descendants ask about one of their great grand parents/ancestors, namely you, they will have a better answer than you presently have of your great grand parents/ancestors.

With the following list of questions, suggestions to work with in gathering your family info, you can use this to write a biography of each person you are working to track down either in brief or detailed depending on the information gathered.

This is your starting point. It is best to start with yourself, working on your own biography. Then work back from your children, brothers & sisters, parents, aunts & uncles, grandparents for both the husband & wife’s side of the family. Use these questions, suggestions as a guideline to fill in the gaps.

As you collect the information on each person, which could take some time to locate. Some answers will not exist or not be easily located. This happens, it is part of the process. In time something might and usually will show up to assist you in completing these gaps.

Add what ever other questions that come up on what you would like to know about the people you are working to track down in your family. In time you will get a road map of their journey that leads to where you are today.

Also consider finding out who your 1st, 2nd and 3rd cousins are as they have a common ancestor with you.Thus finding out what they may know of the family. Talk to your aunts & uncles, cousins, as they may have information on the family which your parents are not aware of or may not desire to talk about.

What follows is a sample of questions, suggestions that will be useful in putting a biography together of this couple. That can also be used for each individual in your family tree journey.

44— If a couple got married in year X and there is an indication that they had a child 5 to 10 year before they got married, which is unlikely. Thus beware of such RED FLAGS

43- Always be leery of dates, Years between birth year of siblings. Any year beyond 23-25 between siblings should become a RED FLAG. Likewise alway check ages of parents when a child is born, beyond the normal range. It is very unlikely that parents have a child born 25 to 30 years after the last child is born when they are in their late 60's or early 70's.

42- when you come across a glitch, discrepancy, Red Flag, always give attention and question same, even if the question doesn't get answered immediately. keep these questions around until answers show up.

41- Also remember that that maiden name of the wife should not be left out of any recording, be it a obit, death notice, marriage etc.

40- Always remember to record the full source of the information collected

39- What did this couple work as, What was their occupation; did they have a farm, be self employed, work in the local town or city or what

38- Is this couple or ancestor listed in any city or who’s who directory, if so record that info.

37- Are there any photos in the family of this couple or ancestor that you can access and are they labelled with proper name of person

36- Did this couple move across the country or come from overseas. If so what info have you been able to gleam and record on this movement?

35- Have you found an obituary or death notice when the husband died, if so in what paper, full name, date of issue and location [list town, farm, state or province, country]

1- what was the full name of the husband [ EX the great grandfather or ancestor]

2- what was the full name of the wife [ EX the great grandmother or ancestor]

3- where was the husband born [list town, farm, state or province, country]

4- where was the wife born [list town, farm, state, province, country]

5- What is the full date of birth of the husband

6- What is the full date of birth of the wife

7- When was the husband baptised, full date —- month day year

8- When was the wife baptised, full date —- month day year

9- What church was the husband baptised, name of church, religious denomination, [list town, farm, state or province, country]

10- What church was the wife baptised, name of church, religious denomination, [list town, farm, state or province, province, country]

11- Is there a baptismal record of the husband available and can a copy be obtained for your files

12- Is there a baptismal record of the wife available and can a copy be obtained for your files

13- When did the husband die full date —- month day year

14- When did the wife die full date —- month day year

15- Where did the husband die [list town, farm, state or province, country]

16- Where did the wife die [list town, farm, state or province, country]

17- Where is the husband buried, name of cemetery [list town, farm, state or province, country]

18- Where is the wife buried, name of cemetery [list town, farm, state or province, country]

19- When was the husband buried full date —- month day year

20- When was the wife buried full date —- month day year

21- Is there a gravestone marker for this couple in the cemetery

22- Is there a copy of the Church death record for the husband and is this copy accessible for your files

23- Is there a copy of the Church death record for the wife and is this copy accessible for your files

24- when did this couple get married, full date —- month day year

25- Where did this couple get married [list town, farm, state or province, country]

26- in what church or civil registrar did this couple get married name of church, religious denomination, civil authority [list town, farm, state or province, country]

27- Is there a marriage record available for access and get a copy for your files

28- What are the full dates of births for all the children of this couple

29- Where were all the children of this couple born [list town, farm, state or province, country]

30- is there a baptismal record accessible for all those children to obtain a full copy for your files

31- Were these children of this couple/ancestor all baptised in the same church or were they baptised at all, name of church, religious denomination, [list town, farm, state or province, country]

32- What was the full name of the father & mother of the husband

33- What was the full name of the father and mother of the wife

34- what stories have you been told about your great grand parents or ancestors that you can record

This is only a sample of some suggestions, there are no doubt additional suggestions you might have to add to this list.

Enjoy the journey as it will prove to be a very interesting history lesson over time. This journey will have its high points as well as its frustrations and mysteries. There will be obstacles and dead ends. So when that happens start looking at things with a different perspective, asking yourself where could the answer be that I am looking for.

take care and God Bless

Alex W Fraser

Courtenay, BC

http://glengarrycounty.com/famhis.html

1/11/15,updated 10/31/16 to tip 43

Where to look, some useful sources

Local archives, historical or genealogy

provincial archives

http://glengarrycounty.com/archives.html

local church & cemetery records where the people lived

local papers where the people lived

local books where the people lived

Top 100 Genealogy Websites for 2014

http://www.genealogyintime.com/articles/top-100-genealogy-websites-of-2014-page02.html

The Ship’s list

http://www.theshipslist.com ancestry.com or ancestry.ca

Dalkeith Historical Society update

noreply@blogger.com (Alex W Fraser, Rhoda Ross, Alex Fraser) — Mon, 03 Nov 2014 22:50:00 +0000

November Activities with the Dalkeith Historical Society

Greetings one and all
please feel free to circulate this to anyone you think might want to know what DHS is doing

Saturday November 8 11:00 A.M.
Remembrance day activity-indoor
Dalkeith Library-1835 Dalkeith Road
Guest speaker: Robin Flocton on WW1
"Sorry, Christmas Leave cancelled"
everyone invited

Sat. Nov. 15 10:30
Dalkeith Library
1835 Dalkeith Road
ww1 2015 commemoration planning committee meeting
DHS is planning a 4 day event in 2015
to commemorate ww1
the public is invited to join the committee

Thursday November 27
Christmas Tree Lighting ceremony
7-8 P.M. christmas cheer & camaraderie at the library
8-$100 raffle draw then outside to light and sing
all welcome

November is Membership month for DHS
for more info
email
dalkeithhs@gmail.com
www.dalkeithhistory.com/www.acorn2011.com
1.613.874.2514(Frances) or 1.613.874.9994(Maggie)

Hello Everyone-*FYI-
*thank you for everything you do to make DHS the success it is .

*here is what is happening*let be know your thoughts/ideas/anything missing/ etc/

1.The *Kitchen Ceilidh *was a huge success-many many compliments on the decorations and the whole evening. Thank you for coming to Scotiabank to say thanks
DHS treasurer Andre Charest was on hand to receive the cheque

2..The *Apples and Art Tour* had a very respectable turnout of some 60 people over the two days. Many of the visitors were new to the building and were impressed not only with the art but with the atmosphere. well done Maggie & Wendy

3 DHS will have a table at the North Glengarry Gala honouring various members of the public..

4.DHS received a NG township grant in April 2014 to construct a*WW1 Heritage Garden*
Now that we have time(take a deep breath and say yes) we are going to work on this project
Anyone interested in helping construct a WW1 Heritage Garden on the Robertson-Clark grounds should come to a*meeting*
Friday Oct.4 at 10:00 A.M. rain or shine. You are invited to come look over the grounds ahead of time and come on friday with specific ideas in mind

5. Please let me know ASAP---(those of you who are members only ) -if you can attend a general Dalkeith Historical Society Meeting Saturday October 18 at 10:30 A.M(tentative date). at the Dalkeith Library. Once I hear from you I will then circulate an agenda

6 DHS will receive a Canadian Heritage Grant to Commemorate WW1. This is confirmed. The Grant and the events are scheduled for 2015. If you are interested in being on this planning committee please come to a short meeting *Saturday October 18 in the Dalkeith Library at 12:15

7. DHS will be participating in *50 Plus Attitude Sunday October 19 10-5 at VCI in Vankleek Hill. If you would like to help at the DHS table please let me know. If you would like a free ticket to the event I have some. First come First serve

8. Maggie Dean is organizing an*Autumn Food and Craft Fair *to be held in the Robertson-Clark Building*Sat. Oct.25 and Sunday Oct. 26. contact Maggie for details

9.Reminder to one and all that November is Membership month. The membership is $20 per person. there is no family membership (however DHS encourages the participation of spouses-they just cannot vote.) one membership equals one vote. The membership fee covers the Dalkeith Historical Society Cultural and Educational Bursary that is presented annually(so far) at the Robbie Burns Brunch.
you will receive a tax receipt in the amount of your donation.(for membership)
*
10.Remembrance Day activity will be Saturday November 8 at the Dalkeith Public Library.*11:00A.M*. Robin Flockton President of the Glengarry Historical Society will be our guest speaker. The title of his talk will be "sorry, Christmas Leave cancelled"(WW1)

11.DHS Christmas Lighting activity *is scheduled for *Thursday November 27 at 8:00 P.M*.-the raffle draw for a $100 bill will take place that night. Tickets are .99 cents each

Thank You
please get back to me on any of the above
stay healthy
Frances http://acorn2011.com

posted by Alex W Fraser, Courtenay, BC

Glengarry County Archives

noreply@blogger.com (Alex W Fraser, Rhoda Ross, Alex Fraser) — Sat, 20 Sep 2014 17:19:00 +0000

From a recent NOR’WESTERS AND LOYALIST MUSEUM NLM MUSEUM MINUTES SEPTEMBER 18, 2014 newsletter

Glengarry County Archives

The archives will officially open to the public on September 26th at 1:30pm with an official ceremony followed by tours of the facility and displays of historical records. Everyone is welcome.

The Glengarry County Archives is the largest repository of historical records in Eastern Ontario and contains the foremost collection of history about Glengarry County in Canada. Incorporated as a municipal corporation in 2013, the archives is the official repository for the records of North and South Glengarry Township governments and is mandated to preserve the records of individuals, businesses and organizations from the settlement period to the present.

The archives will provide free access to the collection of Glengarry records with photocopying services also available.

212 Main St N (GDS) Alexandria, Ontario K0C 1A0

Phone: 613-525-1336

e-mail: dorniemac@gmail.com

County Archivist: Allan J. MacDonald

Hours of Operation: After September 26th, the archives will be open to the public every Wednesday and Thursday from 10:00am to 3:00pm.

WW1 Display Updates

The World War I and Williamstown exhibit continues to grow. Since its official opening on Aug. 26, we have received additional artteacts on loan as well as expressions of interest from several others. Special thanks to Gordon Ferguson, who just last week week brought in many items of historic signififcance that had belonged to his uncle, John Ferguson, who was killed in action.

The exhibit runs until Remembrance Day and there is no admission charge.

MUSEUM NEWS

What are the museum's hours these days? Saturday and Sunday from 10 am to 4 pm, as well as Thursdays, from 2 pm to 4 pm for the popular "Tea and Cookies." We can also make special arrangements during the week for school tours, or if you have special guests, etc. And if you should happen to see Lisa or George III doing something outside, she will more than likely invite you in, regardless of the day of the week or the hour of the day.

We have also tweaked our webpage and invite you to check it out at:

www.norwestersandloyalistmuseum.ca

WANTED

Our approach of asking for items the museum needs has cut down expenses. In fact, Historical Society President, Robin Flockton was incredulous that such a professional exhibit as World War I and Williamstown could be mounted for so little cost.

This week, readers, we are asking for plates. Little plates for tea; larger plates to serve the cookies on. Matching china not important!

Hello Everyone,

Now that the heyday of summer is over, we are only sending out our newsletters periodically. Sue Harrington has been mandated to read the dictionary and the thesaurus in between so that she can be our on-call wordsmith as needed. Our other newsletter lady, Joyce Lewis, is far and away overseas and absolutely enjoying her time there, so I am not sure we are getting her back anytime soon. Well, not exactly true. She will return shortly, and, I am sure, regale us with fascinating stories during our Thursday Teas.

Speaking of warm beverages, I am planning on serving warm cider on chilly days to people who drop in to the Museum. Or we could do Cider Saturdays ... I like it! Cider Saturdays it is then, pending the acquisition of (free or very reduced price) cider that is! So please get your apple connections texted, phoned or emailed and let us know what they can do for us! Bonus points if you use an iPhone to find cider for us (ha ha: get it ... Apple product for an apple product...).

On that note, I am signing off.

Have a great week,
Lisa.

--
Lisa Ellis, M.A.
Curator/Administrator
Nor'Westers and Loyalist Museum
19651 John St.
Williamstown, ON K0C 2J0
www.norwestersandloyalist.ca

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Glengarry History, Nor’Westers and Loyalist Museum

19651 John Street Williamstown, ON K0C 2J0

Phone: 613-347-3547 info@norwestersandloyalistmuseum.ca

www.norwestersandloyalistmuseum.ca

posted by Alex W Fraser, 9/20/14

Courtenay, BC

http://glengarrycounty,com/awfrrbks.html

Louis C Woods 1835-1907, Prescott Ontario

noreply@blogger.com (Alex W Fraser, Rhoda Ross, Alex Fraser) — Sat, 06 Sep 2014 18:38:00 +0000

Received this e mail recently, from Sue who is looking for a Louis C Woods. Any comments or suggestions of helping Sue. AWF

Hi, Alex—

Like you I have followed my genealogy since my school days! I have mom’s side fairly done going way back into Scotland, Wales, England, Switzerland, Germany. My dad’s side has been a little more difficult as he had been adopted but this was what sparked my interest in genealogy.

My dad’s birth mom died shortly after childbirth and he was raised by his Aunt and Uncle adopting him as an infant and those became his parents. He was always curious about his birth mom’s side of the family and we would often talk of it.
Through the years we were able to locate his mom’s parents, and even to his great grandparents. His great grandma’s had side could go way back into England. But we were stuck on his great grandpa Louis C. Woods b.about 1834. This is the relative my dad was told by his family doctor about. Louis died in the area in 1907, my dad’s doctor was old and very well could have known Louis.

So family stories are not always, most often are not likely to be accurate which is why I am trying so hard to find his great grandfather’s parents. I can find on 2 marriage certificates their names which are very similar on both of the marriage certificate so I would think these are accurate.

Augustus Woods and Eliza or Elizabeth Rose Woods (sometimes the “s” was left off), his latest marriage certificate indicates he was born in Prescott Canada West. The census dates range from 1832 to 1841.

He spoke French, did not read or write. He came to the United States in 1862, married here in Mosinee, Wisconsin in 1867 to his first wife. The census indicates his native tongue by his daughter and first born son was French, but his other 2 kids said it was English.

The story was that my great great great grandpa had been part French Canadian part Native American Indian. That he was a voyageur, but in the census records in Wisconsin, and for a few years in Kansas, he was a farmer, or a laborer. The town of Mosinee, Marathon County, WI and the Wood County he lived in was along the Wisconsin River. There were trading stations in the area. But, I can not find information to prove this or disprove this.

So, that is my story or most of it.

I am having a hard time going through what is available from Ontario/Canada records as so much of this is written in books by people such as yourself. I cannot afford to buy every book just to see if I have an ancestor listed. Most books probably wouldn’t list them.

As you have written so much about this early county which Prescott had been formed from I am wondering if you could spare some advise. If I cannot afford to buy all the books, I cannot get up to Canada for the time it would take to research all the sources, would it be best to give up and leave it as it is unknown. I am not sure how much it would cost to hire a professional genealogist for something like this either.

I am hoping to here back from you with some guidance. I would most certainly appreciate any input.

My USA Scottish Ancestors are from the Peter (b1744) and James Farquarhson(b 1770) of Knockando, Moray, Scotland whose son John(1805) and wife Elspet came to the USA moving to north/central Illinois, their kids changing the last name to Ferguson.

I hope you can guide or help me.

Sue <susie921 @ icloud.com>

Contact Sue directly if you can assist in her request. Thank you.

NB: my questions is is this a reference to the town of Prescott, Ontario on the St Lawrence River or Prescott County just south of the Ottawa River.. It is easy to mix up these two references to Prescott.

Also, it is hard to determine with the information stated what books would be helpful in solving this request without further specific details. AWF

http://glengarrycounty.com/gopv2.html

http://glengarrycounty.com/mcnallyj.html

An update from Sue 9/6/14

Hi,

Thanks so much for the quick response.

Alex, this would be too easy if I knew which one of the 2 Prescott location he was from. Or, which religion he was. He had 2 civil marriages no church marriage. His service sounds as if it was at a school hall and the pastors are listed but I have not been able to figure out which religion they were affiliated with, perhaps Methodist is the closest I can discern. I am not sure if he had any religious affiliation. I suspected the French name to be either Bois or DuBois, Brisbois was another thought as they were in Wisconsin. There were 2 obituaries just indicating he came from Canada as a young man. And, both listed a different pastor attending his service. The cemetery he was buried at is not affiliated with any church, they actually listed his son as being buried which really is Louis C Woods.

There was a Louis Wood dit Bois in a early area census who was from Canada. There is a Native American Treaty signed listing a Louis Wood son of this Louis Wood and wife Siaska a HoChunk(formerly Winnebago) Indian that would have been born in 1834—same time frame of my Louis Wood unfortunately, I cannot get birth certificates to prove these are the same. And, my Louis Wood came reportedly came to the USA or Wisconsin in 1862—-interesting there was a huge Dakota Sioux Indian incident in Minnesota in 1862 which dispersed the Indian’s even further with some of the HoChunk just on their own returning home to Wisconisn. But then there is the parents he listed as Augustus and Eliza or Elizabeth Wood certainly not the names related to the 1/2 Native Indian yet following the story told my dad.

I have been searching and searching. Unless I make a stretch of the early names say as Louis Auguste Wood dit Bois, called Auguste because of son Louis and Saska is the native american name perhaps she was Elizabeth or Eliza for her Christian name if this existed.
But there is no documentation to prove this is the case, my Louis Wood was listed as white on the census, death and marriage records which could be if he choice to follow a white lifestyle. His death certificate mom was listed as Sarah but he had a daughter Sarah.

I will probably have to check both Leeds and Grenville along with Prescott to see if I can find his family line. He was alone in the US no other Wood family, well I shouldn’t say that. I have met 2 other people also researching him who absolutely do not agree with my Native Louis Wood idea, vehemently so.

One related researcher is 1/2 a relation from his second wife Louis’s second wife, his great great grandfather was raised by his wife’s family. He has searched as long as I but not able to discover which Prescott or Louis’s parents.
The other related researcher lists a Augustus Wood married to Mary Catherine Campeau who arrived in the area about 10 years later, into the same county and town. At first I thought they were brothers perhaps. This Augustus had a son who married one of Louis Wood(s) daughters. This would mean they were cousins which was possible, I guess. And, Augustus Wood’s (married to Mary Catherine) father was also named Augustus Wood but was to have been married possible to a Anne. Mary Catherine Campeau’s parents were Louis Compeau and Margaret Frey and this older couple also had another son, brother to Mary Catherine Campeau, both listed as born in 1860 in Perth. As Mary Catherine’s father—but I see no sources to provide proof.
I hope this wasn’t too confusing,

Any way you can guide or be of assistance?

Sue

Angus MacDonald & Janet MacDonald, right names, wrong people

noreply@blogger.com (Alex W Fraser, Rhoda Ross, Alex Fraser) — Tue, 26 Aug 2014 14:47:00 +0000

Angus MacDonald & Janet MacDonald, right names, wrong people

Received this query that was posted on Ancestry to review and comment on.

As shown below the query is from a KenMac48 and concerns the family of an Angus MacDonald and his wife Janet MacDonald.

My, Alex W Fraser, comments, observations, conclusions are listed below and are subject to further clarification and correction.

Remember that these Comments, observations & conclusions may or may not agree with your perspective on the family names & information listed below.

post 1;

McDonald / MacDonald's of Glengarry

kenmac48 (View posts)

Posted: 15 Aug 2014 10:55AM

Classification: Query

Surnames: McDonald, MacDonald, Graham

Seeking information on Roderick MacDonald who married Isabel or Elizabeth Graham at St Raphaels on August 24th 1848. Isabel died in August 1860, 8th-Lot 26 Lancaster.

I'm attempting to see if this Roderick and Isabel are my 4th Great Grantparents. In order for them to be, they need to have a son Angus MacDonald, born in about 1776, Inverness, Scotland. He died 18 October 1853 in Lochiel, Ontario. On November 28, 1826 he married Jennet or Janet MacDonald at St. Raphael's, Ontario. She was born in about 1787, Inverness, Inverness-shire, Scotland. She died 28 August 1858 in Lochiel, Ontario.

Any help will be much appreciated !

Post 2;

Re: McDonald / MacDonald's of Glengarry

talmacdonald143 (View posts)

Posted: 15 Aug 2014 1:06PM

Classification: Query

Angus MacDonald, born in about 1776

Do you mean 1876 ?

Tal

Post 3;

Re: McDonald / MacDonald's of Glengarry

talmacdonald143 (View posts)

Posted: 15 Aug 2014 1:20PM

Classification: Query

Forget about the first message I think I now see what you mean. You say that Roderick's son was Angus but I think you mean he was the son of Angus.

The marriage info from St. R. show Roderick to be the son of Angus MacDonald and Elizabeth MacDonell Lot 26 - Lancaster 8th.

Tal

Post 4

Re: McDonald / MacDonald's of Glengarry

kenmac48 (View posts)

Posted: 15 Aug 2014 1:27PM

Classification: Query

I don't think so...I have 1776 recorded as his birth year and 18 Oct 1853 as date of death.. Do you believe this is not possible ?

My 2nd Great Grandfather, John MacDonald 1806 - 1875 married Anna Bathurst 1818 - 1907 on 03 Nov 1840 at St Finnan's, Alexandria.

I'm truly a novice genealogist therefore it's possible I am wrong.

Ken

Post 5;

Re: McDonald / MacDonald's of Glengarry

kenmac48 (View posts)

Posted: 15 Aug 2014 1:42PM

Classification: Query

Oops sorry Tal...I sent you a reply before reading your above message.

I also have Roderick to be the son of Angus MacDonald and Elizabeth.

My records show that Angus and Elizabeth were born and died in Scotland, exactly where in Scotland unknown. In addition to Roderick they had sons John and Alexander.

However my predicament is knowing if Roderick MacDonald and Isabel or Elizabeth Graham are in fact my 4th GG.

Thank you so much for your efforts to help me. It is most apprecated.

Ken

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My, Alex W Fraser, comments, observations from post 1

“Seeking information on Roderick MacDonald who married Isabel or Elizabeth Graham at St Raphaels on August 24th 1848. Isabel died in August 1860, 8th-Lot 26 Lancaster.

I'm attempting to see if this Roderick and Isabel are my 4th Great Grantparents.”

AWF Observation

Roderick MacDonald & Isabel Graham Lanc 8C N26 did have a son named Angus who married a Janet MacDonald in 1826, namely

from St Raphael’s RC BMD 1826 marriages

M 8 ANGUS MACDONALD AND JENNET MACDONALD

November 28th 1826, after 3 publications of banns made in this parochial church, were joined in marriage by me the undersigned priest, Angus MacDonald, who has attained the age of majority, son of Roderick MacDonald and of Elisabeth Graham on the one side and Jennet MacDonald being minor daughter of the deceased Angus MacDonald and of Margaret MacDonell on the other side. Alexander MacDougald, Hugh MacDonald and several others were present at the celebration of this marriage.

Angus MacDonell ptr

Here Angus’s mother is listed as Elizabeth, rather than Isabel, the first glitch in this journey.

Likewise from Post 1, “Angus MacDonald, born in about 1776, Inverness, Scotland. He died 18 October 1853 in Lochiel, Ontario. “ This Angus is not the son of Roderick MacDonald & Isabel Graham as shown in his death record, from St Finnan’s RC BMD 1853 deaths Alexandria, Ontario

D15 Angus McDonald

On the 18th day of October 1853, I the undersigned interred in the cemetery at Alexandria, Angus McDonald son of John McDonald and Christy McDonald of the shire of Inverness aged 77 years. Witnesses Allen Williams, Donald McDonald and several others.

John R Meade

This Angus MacDonald married a Janet MacDonald and they lived in Lochiel 1C N3 and this Janet died in 1858 from St Finnan’s RC BMD 1858 deaths

D5 Janet McDonald 3 - 1st Lochiel

On the 28th August 1858, The body of Janet McDonald, wife of the late Angus McDonald [tailor] 3-1st Lochiel was interred at Alexandria. Present John Chisholm & Alex’r Bathurst.

AWF observations

Now based on info in Post 3

“The marriage info from St. R. show Roderick to be the son of Angus MacDonald and Elizabeth MacDonell Lot 26 - Lancaster 8th.”

This is correct, namely

from St Andrews Presbyterian/United Church BMD WMST 1792 Marriages

M2 RODERICK MACDONELL AND ISABEL GRAHAM.

RODERICK MACDONELL AND ISABEL GRAHAM BOTH OF LANCASTER WERE MARRIED ON THE 14TH FEBRUARY 1792.

from St Raphaels RC BMD 1848 Marriages

M14 Roderick M’Donald & Isabel Graham

At St Raphaels on the 24th day of August 1848, Roderick M’Donald of this parish, Lanc 8C N26, major son of Angus McDonald & of Elisabeth McDonell on the one part; & Isabel Graham also of this parish Lanc 8C N26, daughter of Thomas Graham & of Margaret Graham on the other part; after 3 proclamations of bans at St Regis by the rev’d Roderick McDonell about 56 years ago before they were married by Mr Bethune, Williamstown, no impediment being known were joined in marriage by me the undersigned priest in the presence of the undersigned Mary McDonald & Catherine McDonald.

[signed] Mary Macdonald

Catherine McDonald

John Macdonald priest & curate of St Raphaels.

AWF observations

Now based on the info in Post 4 “My 2nd Great Grandfather, John MacDonald 1806 - 1875 married Anna Bathurst 1818 - 1907 on 03 Nov 1840 at St Finnan's, Alexandria.

”This Angus & Janet had a son John who married an Anne Bathurst in 1840

From St Finnan’s RC BMD 1840

M10 JOHN M’DONALD AND ANN BATHURST

The same day (3rd Nov. 1840), was married by me the undersigned priest, after three publications in this Church without any opposition having been found to their marriage, John M'Donald son of Angus McDonald and Jennet McDonald in the 1st con. of Lochiel: to Miss Ann Bathurst, daughter of William Bathurst and of Margaret McIntosh in the same con. of Lochiel. Were present Alexander Bathurst, Angus M'Dougald, John M'Donald and several others.

J. M'Donald, P.P.

12/09 awf

from St Rapahels RC BMD 1818 Baptisms

B88 Anna Bathurst

The 9th day of August 1818, I the undersigned priest and vicar of St Raphaels baptised Anna born the 14th of July of the lawful marriage of William Bathurst and of Pagy MacIntosh. Sponsors Angus MacDonell and Catherina MacDonell.

J. MacDonald p

The above indicated that John was born in 1806. Since there is no reference to any baptisms in St Raphael’s BMD of children of any Angus Mac/McDonald/ell & Janet/Jane/Geny/Jeannette Mac/McDonell/ald before 1827,. The reference here, 1827 is to an Angus & Janet in 5th Lochiel with dau Flora. This Angus & Janet may or may not be a 3rd set. [ I could have missed finding an earlier reference] then it is assumed at present that the John who married Anne Bathurst was born in Scotland in 1806. Likewise John parents Angus & Janet were also born & married in Scotland ca 1800-1805.

Thus, if this John who was born in 1806, died in 1875, the son of Angus 1776-1853, of Loch 1C N3, then the Angus ca 1795-1865 in Wisconsin the son of Roderick MacDonald & Isabel Graham of Lancaster 8C who married a Janet MacDonald in 1826 could not be the father of the John born in 1806.

from Fr John’s Diary of Deaths 1819-1866 & 1839 Census in Part, 1992, edited by Alex W Fraser

APR 11 1865 Angus MD, in Wisconsin, son of Rod from Lanc 8C N26, of Angus of Hugh.

This a very good example of how easy it is to get the right names and the wrong people at the same time. These Couples of “Angus MacDonald & Janet MacDonald” regardless of how the last name is spelt, are two different families.

One lived in Charlottenburgh and or Lancaster, 8th concession, the other in Lochiel 1st concession. There is a reference to an Angus & Janet MacDonald living in Charlottenburgh township 8th Concession who had a son Angus born in 1836.

How many Angus & Janet MacDonald are we actually dealing with? Did one or more of these Angus & Janet’s move around as labourers? Are we mixing up 2 or 3 sets of them?

One of the fathers of Angus 1776-1853 was John ca 1742-ca 1800; & the other Angus ca 1795-1865 was the son of Roderick ca 1764-1855.

One of the Angus’ was born about 20 years before the other.

These comments do leave room for more research to get done, as well as getting any missing gaps of family information for these sets of Angus & Janet MacDonald can be filled in correctly, to see whether or not my conclusions still stand up to and with that found new family information.

Hoping this will be of use.

take care and God Bless

Alex W Fraser

Courtenay, BC

Aug 25/14 jars924 @ me.com

http://glengarrycounty.com/famhis.htm

Dalkeith History Society update

noreply@blogger.com (Alex W Fraser, Rhoda Ross, Alex Fraser) — Fri, 22 Aug 2014 21:28:00 +0000

An update on the Dalkeith History Society

Hello Everyone

send this on to as many contacts as you possibly can
its good for people to know what a little town can do and you never know it might very well bring in some ticket sales.best to one & all

Vankleek Hill has live Radio on wed evening
and I was privileged-on behalf of DHS-to be interviewed last wed evening
Jean Sarrazin, Host of the radio show wanted know all about DHS and the Upcoming Kitchen Ceilidh-and to share it with the listening community

here is the link
http://vankleekfm.com/radio-programs/vankleek-cooley/vankleek-cooley-august-2014/
Once this page opens up select "Listen to the Aug 20th, 2014 Show – Hour Two"

Keep the Kitchen Ceilidh"in conversation" when you are out and about". Our goal is to sell out
and we can only do that with your help

The Kitchen Ceilidh promises to be a dynamic fun packed evening-come watch,come participate but come on your own, bring a friend, a group.We extend a warm welcome to each and everyone

remember Ashley will be playing on home turf-she and her group are renown and so is Paddy Kelly
and Louise Stephenson is making a name for herself in the Zumba fitness world. The Scotch River Fiddles are NEW(2012)

ONCE MORE: Ashley MacLeod & Kelsey McDonell,Scotch River Fiddles,Paddy Kelly, Zumba Fun, Food 4DCatering, Doorprizes, Bar Glen Roadhouse, Dance Floor. Bring your own instrument Jam
Tickets available:Scotiabank: Vankleeek Hill, Maxville & Alexandria: Fassifern. The Review

Your support and enthusiasm for DHS activities and projects is much appreciated. we hope you had and will continue to have fun
many thanks to Scotiabank and The Review for their spomsonship

Frances Fraser

Dalkeith History Society

GLENGARRY HISTORICAL SOCIETY MEETINGS 2014 – 2015

noreply@blogger.com (Alex W Fraser, Rhoda Ross, Alex Fraser) — Fri, 22 Aug 2014 05:33:00 +0000

GLENGARRY HISTORICAL SOCIETY
MEMBER MEETINGS 2014 – 2015
Tentative Schedule

September 4, 2014 “Reflections on Archie Robertson Malcolm Robertson Alexandria and the Normandy Landings”

October 2, 2014 “Nutfield Trust” Sandy Campbell Williamstown

October 16, 2014 Special Members Meeting, GHS Business Williamstown

November 5, 2014 “Christmas Leave Robin Flockton Alexandria
Cancelled – CEF in UK”

December 4, 2014 “Behind the Scenes at Penny Bateman Williamstown
the British Museum”

January 8, 2015 “Permafrost” Donaldson MacLeod Alexandria

February 5, 2015 “George III and the Lisa Ellis Williamstown
Canadian Connection”

March 5, 2015 “D.A MacDonald and Dane Lanken Alexandria
the Montreal Waterworks”

April 9, 2015 “Glengarry’s Postal David Anderson Williamstown
History”.

May 7, 2015 Annual General Meeting TBA Alexandria

June 11, 2015 GHS Picnic TBA

Alexandria Meetings at the Church-on-the-Hill
Williamstown Meetings at the Nor’Wester’s and Loyalist Museum.

Admission: Members $5
Non-Members $10

Posted by Alex W Fraser
Courtenay, BC
http://glengarrycounty.com/awfrrbks.html

St. Regis Roman Catholic Church

noreply@blogger.com (Alex W Fraser, Rhoda Ross, Alex Fraser) — Fri, 01 Aug 2014 21:34:00 +0000

St. Regis Roman Catholic Church

What follows are my contributions to the book, The History of the St. Regis Catholic Church, which was written by my mother, Rosemary Bonaparte, to raise money for repairs of the old stone church here in Akwesasne in the 1990's. As part of the research, I was allowed to wander about the basement and steeple of the aging monolith ala Indian Jones. There have always been legends about the mysterious basement, which is really just a crawlspace made up of a series of stone walls running at regular intervals across the width of the church. To get through these walls, you had to crawl through a whole in the center. Between each wall is a dirt floor strewn with rocks left over from construction. There are no lights other than what you bring with you. Naturally, my flashlight hit a rock about halfway through and went out. Now, I thought I knew the color black. We all think we do. Well, until you've been in the basement of the St. Regis Catholic Church with no flashlight, you don't know black!

The steeple was another horror story. All of the stairs gowing up there had long rotted away, if they ever existed, and were now replaced by rotting wooden ladders. By some miracle I was able to make it up to the top. It's got quite a view up there, one that would have been strategically important back in the old days, having as it does an unobscured view of a long straight of the St. Lawrence River out toward Summerstown. We would have been able to spot those French women coming for miles.

Of course, the money we raised help to restore the roof and steeple, though the basement was largely left the house of horrors that I experienced. I understand that the steeple has been configured in a way that will prevent moisture from getting in, so it may be next to impossible to go back up there to enjoy the view. I also understand that they have installed a hunchback to prevent anyone from going up there.

The St. Regis Catholic Church has always been a major landmark for those who traveled the St. Lawrence River. The crews of sailing ships passing through this area from the direction of Montreal would spot the church from miles away and know that they were approaching a narrowing of the St. Lawrence River and the infamous Long Sault Rapids. The church itself, a plain yet dignified edifice of stone in the Recollet style, was for many years the only one in the region, drawing by the sound of its bell hundreds of natives and European settlers to Mass conducted in Mohawk with a unique Mohawk choir. It stands at the tip of a peninsula formed by the St. Regis and St. Lawrence Rivers, it’s steeple facing northeast, tall above the trees and houses behind it.

Today the visitor to St. Regis is much more likely to come by car, having come from the southwest via Hogansburg. By that route they are robbed of the impressive sight of the old church rising out of the trees on the banks of the river, like a mother duck waiting to take her young out for a swim. Approaching it on land, the church now seems much more remote, almost hidden from the world, it’s many trees hiding much of it in shadow.

For over two hundred years the church has served its community with a rock solid dependability, but those two centuries have taken their toll. Although it seems fortress-like and indestructible from the outside, the careful eye discerns a completely different reality when exploring the interior, especially in the steeple. Moisture has decayed the visible mortar holding the stones together so much that it seems as if one ring too many from the triad of bells would surely bring the belfry toppling down. Slate shingles break off from the roof from time to time, their sharp corners sticking inches into the ground like daggers. Ancient electrical wiring snakes its way along the walls and in hidden places, the electricity flowing through it a constant threat should the snake ever decide to "shed its skin." Hundreds of bats have made the attic the most popular "hang out" in St. Regis, thoroughly soiling the insulation on the attic floor. To completely restore the church to its former glory would take a massive effort, a king’s ransom in cash, and a good breathing apparatus for every man on the job.

That such an effort has already been launched is not surprising. Akwesasne Mohawks are devoted to the historic old church and have been fundraising for almost a year. They have raised over $150,00 to date by holding craft fairs, silent auctions, a fiddler jamboree, raffles, and events too numerous to mention. While an estimate on just what it would take to restore the building is not yet complete, it has been hinted that three or four times that amount would ultimately be needed. While some may be daunted by the prospect of raising so much money, there is no doubt that this goal will eventually be attained. This old church, assembled by Mohawk hands 7 generations ago, has been a silent witness to the major events of our ancestors’ lives--the baptisms, the confirmations, the weddings, and the funerals. From cradle to grave, this church has been a consistent presence in the lives of Akwesasronon. It’s walls still echo with the sound of departed choir members. To have it decay before our very eyes without trying to preserve it would be unthinkable.

The Founding of the St. Regis Mission

The founding of the St. Regis Mission and the construction of the first church took place against the backdrop of a major war in North America, the conflict known as the Seven Years War and the French and Indian War. This global conflict between the superpowers of the day, France and Great Britain, was particularly divisive to the Mohawk people, who had alliances with both. For years before the war the French encouraged more of the Mohawk and their Iroquois brothers to move to the St. Lawrence River Valley, while the British encouraged those that had already moved to the St. Lawrence to come back. Kahnawake, the Mohawk community known to historians as Caughnawaga and Sault St. Louis, was by this time already overcrowded. Another mission village, Sawekatsi, (also known as Oswegatchie and La Presentation) had been established in 1747 by the French at what is now Ogdensburgh, New York. This mission attracted numerous Onondaga, Oneida, and a few Cayugas and Mohawks, but by 1754 it too was getting overcrowded and an epidemic had broken out. With the prospect of more Mohawks coming north to live in a community that could not support them, the French authorities agreed to allow the French clerics to start another mission village about halfway between Kahnawake and Sawekatsi upriver of Lake St. Francis (a particularly wide tract of the St. Lawrence River.) This village served a two-fold purpose: first, it strengthened the southern frontier of the French colony from English incursions, and second, it got many of the people at Kahnawake away from the vices of nearby Montreal. As one French official described in a letter dated October 31, 1754:

. . . My negotiation with the Mohawks succeeds admirably, as you will see by their propositions, but they cannot settle in the village of the Sault St. Louis, because the lands in that quarter are exhausted, so that more than thirty families belonging to that mission, being unable to collect wherewithal to feed themselves, are going to settle at Lake St. Francis, twenty leagues above Montreal, on the south side, where there are very good lands; the Mohawks have agreed with these thirty families to go and settle their village at this place, whither a missionary will accompany them; this change, which costs the King only the erection of a saw-mill, that will furnish it abundantly wherewith to build the cabins, becomes very advantageous to the Colony, in as far as it will be easy in time of war, to be informed of all that might occur in the direction of Choueguen; besides, La Presentation, and this new village on Lake St. Francis, the Sault St. Louis and the Lake of Two Mountains, will form a barrier which will protect the government of Montreal against all incursions, because in that weak quarter, the troops that might be sent thither, will always be supported by these Indians.

I have dwelt much on the consideration of this new expense, though very trifling, but have reflected that if I had ordered the thirty families in question, to remain at the Sault St. Louis, I could not avoid having to feed them, which would cost an immense sum. . . . (NYCD 10:264-265)

While there is some debate about the early origins of the community, historian George L. Frear has pinpointed the arrival of the Kahnawake Mohawks and their priests, Father Antoine (Anthony) Gordon and Father Pierre-Robert-Jean-Baptiste Billiard, in the fall of 1754, and the establishment of the mission on June 16, 1755, right around the time that many of the people they left behind were heading out on the war path with the French to battle the English and their Iroquois allies in the Lake George area. Of these early arrivals, only a few are known to have served the French as scouts and combatants during this conflict, first at the battle of Fort Bull and later at Oswego.

By the time the war was in its final stages, the defeat of France seemed inevitable to the Mohawks of the St. Lawrence. They sent peace envoys to negotiate with the British army that was then preparing to descend their river for the final conquest of New France. When the British forces and their Iroquois allies passed through Akwesasne on August 1, 1760, they stopped at Akwesasne to smoke the pipe of peace. At least ten Akwesasne men volunteered to help guide their bateaux through the treacherous Lachine Rapids further downstream, and were later awarded medals for their service.

The Church of Logs and Bark

The St. Regis church in those days was described in one historical account as being not much different from the homes of the Mohawks. In the words of 19th century historian Franklin B. Hough,

. . . Among the first duties of Gordon was the erection of a church, which was built of logs and covered with barks.

This humble and primitive temple of worship, was made to serve the double purpose of a church and a dwelling, and one end of the hut was partitioned off for the residence of their priest.

There being no bell, when the hour of worship arrived, an Indian went through the village from hut to hut, and announced with a loud voice the hour that they might assemble for prayer. . .

. . . Soon afterwards a small wooden church was erected on the ground now occupied by the priest’s garden, which was furnished with a small cupola, and contained a bell. . . . (Hough 1853: 114-115)

The Churches of Wood

Since the priests were allowed to purchase a saw-mill for the new community, the "longhouse" church was quickly replaced with a more tolerable chapel made of hewn logs, probably not much different from the recreated mission at St. Marie Among the Iroquois in Liverpool, New York. While this is only speculation, the church itself may have been made of vertical, squared timbers, topped by a steep roof with bark-covered shingles, and surrounded by a rugged palisade of sharpened logs. Tradition states that this old wooden church was located in the small courtyard and garden next to the present rectory. It burned to the ground in the early 1760’s, taking with it the earliest records of the mission and a relic of Kateri Tekakwitha that had accompanied those who came from Kahnawake.

Eventually the church was rebuilt, but the missionary, Father Anthony Gordon, left the mission in 1775 and died not long after, leaving St. Regis without a resident priest for many years. In the fall of 1783, Father Denaut, pastor of Soulanges, was sent by Bishop Briand of Quebec to St. Regis for four weeks. In November of that year he wrote his report:

. . . I examined the church, the mill and other buildings belonging to the mission and found everything in a state of dereliction and crumbling away. I requested repairs to the mill even before getting any instructions from you, because of the rigors of the oncoming winter season. I believe the mill may last for many more years.

As for the church, I recommended only what was necessary to prevent its further deterioration. Anything more would be useless. The Indians set up a fund of 9 or 10 thousand dollars for God and their missioner and said they were ready to start work right away if they got word from your Reverence. Many families of the St. Louis Rapids (Caughnawaga) would be ready to come, to get away from the drinking and debauchery prevailing in their present surroundings. The Indians own land stretching from 9 to 12 miles, besides many adjacent islands, that are very large, very beautiful and of very fertile soil. The missioner is sole master of all, with all income meant for him and has specified no land whatsoever is to be granted to any Frenchman. . . . (Guay: 3-4)

Repairs were eventually authorized, but the community wasn’t to get a resident missionary until 1785 when Father Roderick McDonnell arrived. The growing community was soon in need of a much more solid and roomy place of worship, and so construction began on the basic structure of the stone church that is there today sometime around 1792.

The Church of Stone

Elders say that Mohawk men, women, and children were part of the effort to construct the massive stone edifice on the banks of the St. Lawrence River. Tons of limestone were quarried and shipped in, and massive logs were procured in the Thousand Islands area near the community of Sawekatsi. The church was completed in 1795. The rectory was constructed in 1800. According to tradition, Father McDonnell, who oversaw this massive effort, as well as the construction of a sister church in St. Andrew’s West, was interred, pharoah-like, beneath the church at St. Regis when he passed away in 1806.

This stone church hadn’t changed much by the 1850’s, when Hough visited St. Regis to gather information for his book on local history. He described not only the church but the activities associated with it:

. . . The present church is a massive stone building, of ancient and venerable appearance, the walls nearly four feet thick, the windows high, and a door in the middle of the sash, for ventilation, after a custom prevalent in Canada. Across the end of the church opposite the door is a railing, and beyond and elevated above the floor of the church, is an ample space for the altar, and the various fixtures of the catholic worship. The altar is unusually decorated with gilding and ornaments, and the interior of the church is adorned with paintings and prints of religious subjects. . .

A gallery extends across the end of the church over the door, for the accommodation of strangers and others, and in the body of the church near the wall, are a few seats for the singers. The greater part of the Indians, during worship, kneel or sit upon the floor, and the appearance presented to a stranger by the striking uniformity of dress and attitude, which he notices on first visiting the church during service, is very impressive.

Preaching is performed in the Mohawk dialect of the Iroquois language every sabbath, and all the ritual of the catholic church is observed with scrupulous care. (Hough 1853:124)

It has been suggested that the original structure of the church was much simpler than it is today. In 1863, Father Marcoux hired a construction company in Coteau du Lac to build a bell tower to house the church’s three bells. Unfortunately, it was destroyed by winds from a fierce storm a few weeks later. The two small bells were destroyed and the larger one was cracked in the collapse. The community pooled their annuity and interest money to have the work done to repair the bell tower and replace the bells, which was eventually done. As luck would have it, however, this was only an omen of what was to come.

Around 3 a.m. on April 1, 1866, the people of St. Regis awoke to the news that fire was raging through their church. The fire, suspected to have been caused by a faulty stove pipe, destroyed the interior, collapsed the roof, and weakened parts of the massive, four-foot thick walls. The two bells were also destroyed when part of the bell tower collapsed. The church was eventually restored, thanks to the persistence and contributions of the Mohawk community.

The fire, it turns out, may have been an omen for yet another calamity, this one occurring in February of 1867. The St. Regis River became jammed with ice and flooded Akwesasne. It destroyed many homes, injured several people, and forced the evacuation of the village of St. Regis. Eventually the homes were repaired, but the expense only served to delay the completion of the church until 1872.

Today one can discern the various stages of construction, destruction, and reconstruction simply by walking around the church. It is most evident around the upper parts of the bell tower, where it rises above the roof. In those days it had four stone finials at the top, much like the Catholic Church in Fort Covington today, and only later acquired the gleaming tin spire and matching finial coverings that characterize it today. The arched, Gothic windows were also a new addition, replacing the windows with a more rounded top from the previous era. Like the community it served, the church itself was changing with the times.

The old church continued to face threats from the ravages of nature in the 20th century. Another ice jam threatened to bring the bells tumbling down again on January 21, 1935. With prayers to St. Joseph, the church narrowly escaped the damage caused by the massive blocks of ice that demolished Mohawk homes along the river. Father Bourget, the missionary at the time, awoke at 3 a.m. to what he thought was an earthquake. He assessed the situation and ordered the bells of the church to be rung to warn the community. One family didn’t know of the danger until a block of ice burst through their door, forcing them to escape before another block of ice wedged itself beneath their house and lifted that side of it off the ground. Several large chunks ended up near the church and rectory, which might have been damaged had the river not eventually receded. A statue of St. Joseph was placed next to the rectory after the flood to thank him for his intercession during this catastrophe.

A Mohawk elder who was interviewed for this project recounted her childhood memories of an earthquake that shook the region in the 1940’s. It left a big crack in the road directly in front of the church so deep that when she and her friends dropped rocks into it, they never heard them hit bottom. To this day, road crews have to patch it up with asphalt. The crack leads directly beneath the church’s bell tower from the direction of the rectory. How the old church survived this quake, we don’t know. It was either due to divine intervention or the church’s superior Mohawk construction, which some might say are the same thing.

The St. Regis River has jammed up several times since then, and an ice storm occurred as this book was being prepared that encased the church in a thick sheath of ice. Mass had to be canceled due to the threat of falling ice from the steeple. Yet the biggest enemy of this church has been time, and the years of normal rainfall that have seeped into the mortar that binds it all together. The bells of St. Regis tell us, "there is work to be done."

The Early Pastors of St. Regis

Father Pierre-Robert-Jean-Baptiste Billiard was born in France in 1723. He entered the Jesuit order in 1743 and was ordained in 1753. He was royal geographer at Quebec from 1753 to 1754. He was an assistant at Kahnawake and became the missionary of St. Regis from 1754 to 1757. Billiard died in Kahnawake in 1757 at 35 years of age.

It was Billiard who accompanied the Kahnawake Mohawks under Karekohe to settle Akwesasne in the fall of 1754. During his time the earliest churches were constructed, the first being of logs and bark, the second a wooden chapel that served double duty as a church and residence for the priest.

Father Antoine Gordon was born in France in 1717, became a Jesuit in 1736 and was ordained in 1749. He taught at the College de Quebec from 1749 to 1751, became vicar at Kahnawake from 1752 to 1755, priest there from 1755 to 1757, and was the priest-founder of St. Regis Mission from 1762-1775. After several brief charges, Gordon retired to Montreal in 1777 and died on June 30, 1779.

Gordon, as priest of Kahnawake, is credited as the founder of the St. Regis Mission although it was Billiard who actually accompanied the Mohawks to the new village. When the British descended the St. Lawrence to conquer New France in 1760, they are said to have encountered Father Gordon and another group of Kahnawake Mohawks on their way to Akwesasne. During Gordon’s time he had to grapple with the conflicts created by the arrival of refugee Abenaki from the St. Francis Mission at Odanak as well as accusations that he had secured the title of Akwesasne’s land from the French king and then hid it from the Indians for his own personal gain. Gordon’s letters to British colonial figures, preserved in the Sir William Johnson Papers, represent some of the most important primary documentation on the early years of Akwesasne history. As well, the earliest existing registers of baptisms, marriages and funerals at the St. Regis Mission are in his hand.

Upon Gordon’s departure the mission at St. Regis was without a regular priest for five or six years, possibly because of the American Revolution. Visiting priests during this period include Father Denaut of Cedars in October of 1784, Father Lebrun, of Kahnawake, in January and September of 1785, and on occasion by Denaut’s replacement at Cedars, Father L’Archambault.

Reverend Roderick McDonnell, a Scottish priest at St. Andrews, Ontario, was the next to leave his mark at Akwesasne, starting in December of 1785 and ending with his death in 1806. During his time here the massive stone church was constructed as well as the rectory. McDonnell went back and forth between Akwesasne and St. Andrews, Ontario, where he oversaw the construction of a "sister church" to the one at St. Regis.

The next priest was Father Antoine Rinfret, who served from October 1806 to 1807 (some sources say 1809), followed by Father Jean Baptiste Roupe from November of 1807 to 1813. Roupe was born in 1789 and died in 1854. During his time at Akwesasne the War of 1812 broke out between Great Britain and the United States. A British detachment was stationed at St. Regis in the fall of 1812. This was attacked by an American force from French Mills (now Fort Covington, New York) a short time thereafter. Roupe is said to have been taken prisoner during this incident.

Father Joseph Marcoux was to succeed Roupe in 1813. During his time at Akwesasne the War of 1812 continued to be a cause for concern with the death of numerous young men and chiefs in battles across Upper and Lower Canada. A violent civil war broke out in Akwesasne over the divisions caused by this war and a large number of those who favored the British were forced to relocate to various islands in the St. Lawrence. This was also the era of crop failure due to the eruption of a volcano. Father Marcoux left in 1819, having witnessed some of the most difficult times of our history.

The next to arrive was Father Nicholas Dufresne in 1819. He was priest until 1825, when he removed to the Sulpician Seminary in Montreal and then to Kanesatake (also known as Oka and the Lake of Two Mountains) where was to serve as missionary for the next ten years.

Dufresne was followed at St. Regis by Father Joseph Valle from 1825 to 1832. During Valle’s time, the church was to receive a few gifts from the King of France and the Pope, secured by Torakaron, or Joseph Tarbell, an Akwesasne Mohawk. These included a rosary and paintings of St. Francis Regis and St. Francis Xavier. A sum of gold, a set of books, and a silver plate for the service of the church were also given to Torakaron, but these were stolen by his non-native "escort" upon their arrival in New York, leaving Torakaron stranded and without the means to come home.

In the spring of 1829 small pox killed great number of Akwesasne Mohawks, followed by Asiatic cholera and typhus fever in June of 1832 which claimed as many as 134. This was what greeted Father Francis Xavier Marcoux, who succeeded Valle. Marcoux’s tenure was to be the longest of any at St. Regis, over a half a century in duration, and it was one of much hardship. There was an outbreak of cholera and smallpox that killed 29 and 30, respectively, in 1849, followed by another typhus epidemic that occurred the following year. It was this Marcoux who helped deflate the wild claims of the Reverend Eleazer Williams that he was the "Lost Dauphin" of France, and proved to be quite a challenge to a Methodist mission at Akwesasne. Marcoux was a major source of historical information on St. Regis gathered by Franklin B. Hough for his A History of St. Lawrence and Franklin Counties, New York (1853).

The next priest was Father Moise Mainville, who served from 1883 to 1895. He gave extensive testimony about Akwesasne life to a commission appointed by the New York State Legislature in 1888.

Father J. P. Bourget was to follow Mainville in 1895. He is still remembered vividly by the elders of Akwesasne for his strictness, his passion for the Mohawk language, and dedication to the education of our youth. He spent a total of forty two years in the Land Where The Partridge Drums.

by Darren Bonaparte http://wampumchronicles.com/writings/

more info http://www.ipl.org/div/natam/bin/browse.pl/A497

posted by Alex W Fraser

Courtenay, BC

8/1/14

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Gravestones of Glengarry 1976 - 2015 Summary

noreply@blogger.com (Alex W Fraser, Rhoda Ross, Alex Fraser) — Sun, 20 Jul 2014 03:15:00 +0000

Gravestones of Glengarry

1976 - 2015 Summary

These 14 volumes of Gravestones of Glengarry represent a total of 9,762 markers with a combined name index of 43,597 entries and 4,023 pages total.

Volume 15 Master Name index will be around 43,597 entries in the name index. This will consist of 987 pages when printed out. Vol.15 is now completed and available on a CD

The following now have or will shortly have a complete set of Gravestones of Glengarry Vol.1 to 14 , as well as a copy of the Gravestones of Glengarry master index which is Vol.15

National Library of Scotland, Edinburgh Scotland http://www.nls.uk

The Glengarry Archives. Williamstown, Ontario http://www.glengarryarchives.ca

The SDG County Library Cornwall, Ontario 3 sets of which 1 was donated http://www.sdglibrary.ca

Mid Continent Library, Independence MO http://www.mymcpl.org/genealogy

Library Canada & Archives, Legal Deposit 2 sets
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/genealogy/Pages/introduction.aspx

Volume 14, Lonely stones 2014 see list of the 24 cemeteries above, listing approximately 848 markers with 2220 entries in the name index with a total of 317 pages

Volume 11, Kenyon Township 2013 consists of 3 parts. Part 1 Vol. 11 Maxville - St Elmo; Part 11 Vol. 12 Dunvegan; Part 111 Vol. 13 St Catherine - St James These 3 volumes list over 1605 gravestones plus index of additional files representing about 11,631 name entries in the combined Name index, plus an additional 893 name entries for the Clark Barrett work of ca 1980. These 3 volumes have a total of 1043 pages

Volume 10, Martintown - Apple Hill 2013 is the 10th volume in this series listing 6 cemeteries, 923 gravestones representing 3,119 entries in the combined Name index 320 pages total

Volume 9, Salem Precious Blood 2013 is the 9th volume in this series listing 2 cemeteries, 461 gravestones representing 1,384 entries in the combined Name index

165 pages total

Volume 8, Dalhousie - Glen Nevis 2011 is the 8th volume in this series listing 4 cemeteries, 495 gravestones representing 1,565 entries in the combined Name index 225 page total

Volume 7, Lochiel - Glen Robertson 2011 is the 7th volume in this series listing 4 cemeteries, 544 gravestones representing about 1,783 entries in the combined Name index. 200 pages total

Volume 6, Breadalbane 2011 is the 6th volume in this series listing 5 cemeteries, 346 gravestones representing about 2597 entries in the combined Name index which includes the Peter Stewart Diary & Marriages. 250 pages total

Volume 5, Kirk Hill 2010 is the 5th volume in this series listing the 3 cemeteries in Kirk Hill, Ontario, 1140 gravestones representing about 4790 entries in the combined Name index list. 354 pages total

Volume 4, Alexandria 2008 is the 4th volume in this series listing the 4 cemeteries in Alexandria, Ontario, 1230 gravestones representing about 4,900 entries in the combined name index. 350 pages

Volume 3, Green valley - St. Raphaels is the 3rd in the series volume and 10 years late [1988 ] in getting published, due to my trying to earn a living so I could pay my bills and carry on this project in the hope of helping you solve your family history. Lists 3 cemeteries 482 markers with a combined Name index of 1,510 entries. 155 pages; Update to Family Linkages 210 pages

Volume 2, South Lancaster to Bainsville, was published in 1978. copies of this volume are still available and like volume one sales have come from all directions and likewise on a slow basis. Volume 2 lists about 854 markers representing about 3,325 names, from 5 cemeteries. 311 pages
In the work done in 1978 for St John the Evangelist cemetery "Church in the Wild wood" there were only 19 gravestones listed. When I did the BMD for this church in 2009, I updated the cemetery listing as well, that listing has 78 markers http://glengarrycountyareabooks.blogspot.ca/2009/11/st-johns-evangelist-anglican-church-bmd.html, Thus the names on these additional 59 gravestones are not included as part of this summary, as yet.

Volume 1, Williamstown, was published in september 1976. The response has been favourable, yet slow. this volume is now out of print. Orders for this volume have come from all corners of North America and beyond. It did take 10 years for the 500 copies printed to get sold. Volume 1 lists about 834 markers representing about 2,804 names, from 4 cemeteries. 278 pages

The above 14 volumes represent a total of 9,762 markers with a combined name index of 43,597 entries and 4,023 pages total.

Thanks for the support

take care and God Bless

Alex W Fraser - Rhoda Ross

Courtenay, BC

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GHS Annual Meeting -- Guest Speaker Brent Lafave

noreply@blogger.com (Alex W Fraser, Rhoda Ross, Alex Fraser) — Tue, 22 Apr 2014 20:32:00 +0000

THE GLENGARRY HISTORICAL SOCIETY

Notice of Annual General Meeting Thursday May 1 2014

A BRIEF COMMENT FROM THE CHAIR OF THE GHS:

As my last official act I'm pleased to announce our Annual General Meeting which will be

held at the United Church on the Hill in Alexandria on Thursday, May 1.

As has been our custom, the meeting will include a potluck supper which will be served at 6:30 PM after a half hour of socializing, to be followed by our business meeting at 7:30 PM and then a special presentation on the Sir John Johnson Manor House of Williamstown by the President of the committee, Brent Lafave. Please consult the enclosed press release for more information

about the presentation and Brent. Also, mark your calendars for Thursday, June 12, when our

annual picnic will be hosted by Frances Fraser and the Dalkeith Historical Society.

An important part of our AGM will be the election of a new Board of Directors. Graham

Wells is and will still be accepting nominations to the Board. At this date, seven individuals

have volunteered to serve, more are needed. They include returning Directors Frances

Fraser, David Anderson, Don Wood, Marlie Tilker, Michael Cowley-Owen, and Allan J.

MacDonald. Robin Flockton has also agreed to serve. Graham, Gay Hamilton, and I will not be

returning as directors. Gay and Graham were stalwarts over the past three years as members

of the Board and of the special ad hoc committee that examined and recommended changes

in the structure of the GHS. Through their efforts, and others, the difficult process of transition

was much smoother than it might otherwise have been. Gay will also be stepping down as

Chair of the Nor'westers and Loyalist Museum, having stabilized and guided that Museum

through its own difficult transition after the death of Joan P. MacDonald.

I have been a member of the Board of the GHS since 1990, serving as Treasurer for four of

those years and more recently as interim Chair, While I will continue to be an active member in

the Society, it is time for me to step aside and devote my energy to other volunteer activity.

These next years will be important ones for the GHS as it faces what could become a serious

shortfall in funding and a similar shortfall in leadership unless members become more involved

in fundraising and assuming leadership responsibility. In fund raising return to the regular

pleas I made when Treasurer, that members remember the Society or one of the Museums, as I have, in their wills or of through specially earmarked donations. Without the generosity of our own members, the Society and/or the Museums will face serious hardship. There are far fewer

opportunities for obtaining government grants than once was the case.

Thanks for all your support and for the strong attendance we have had at meeting since the

beginning of the year. The Annual General Meeting also offers an opportunity for annual

members to pay dues for 2014 and for new members (Always welcomed) to join us. I hope to

see you with your potluck dish on May 1 in Alexandria. Let’s all celebrate Spring which finally

seems to have arrived with its flooding and "mud lusciousness" everywhere

Bill Gilsdorf

The Glengarry Historical Society http://glengarryhistory.ca/new/

Glengarry Historical Society Annual General Meeting, May 1, 2014

Presentation Features John Johnson Manor House of Williamstown

Brent Lafave will tell the story of the Sir John Johnson Manor House and the activities of

its committee at the Annual General Meeting of the Glengarry Historical Society on

Thursday, May 1, starting at 6:00 PM, at the United Church on the Hill, located one

block east of North Main Street in Alexandria. For additional information contact either

David Anderson, 613-347-7192 or Bill Gilsdorf, 613-525-5177.

Brent Lafave heads the Manor House Committee, a not for profit organization, which

began taking a role in helping Parks Canada care for, and promote the Sir John

Johnson House National Historical Site in Williamstown (founded 1784). Williamstown is

emblematic of the Loyalist settlements near the St. Lawrence River that Sir John

Johnson was entrusted to establish from what is now the Ontario/Quebec border to as

far west as Kingston.

In the 1990’s when the County Land Registry Office closed, the committee was one of the organizations that took land record abstracts and associated documents into safe keeping. It also holds other research material such as church records, school records,

biographical information, etc. For additional information on the John Johnson Manor

House consult the web. http://www.glengarryarchives.ca

Brent Lafave, a resident of Williamstown, was born in Cornwall. He is a graduate of the

University of Western Ontario. He joined the Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry

Highlanders, Canadian Army Primary Reserve as an Infantry Officer in 1979. He was

promoted to Lieutenant Colonel in 1994 and commanded the Regiment from 1994 until

1998 when he retired to the Supplementary Ready Reserve. Brent's had a 32 year

career in Federal Law Enforcement with the Canada Border Services Agency;

completing his service in the Criminal Investigations Division in 2013. Brent has been

President of the Sir John Johnson Manor House Committee (SJJMHC) since January

2012.

His wife, Lynn Vogelsang, is a direct descendant of Sir John Johnson through her

mother Doris. She serves as Vice-President of the committee and will be accompanying

Brent to the meeting. The meeting is open to the public and the GHS welcomes new members

Enjoy

take care and God Bless

Alex W Fraser

Courtenay, BC

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Dalkeith Historical Society is sponsoring 2 exhibits

noreply@blogger.com (Alex W Fraser, Rhoda Ross, Alex Fraser) — Wed, 09 Apr 2014 23:35:00 +0000

Dalkeith Historical Society is sponsoring 2 exhibits

both at the Dalkeith Library
both from April 13-May 31

One exhibit is CHILDREN"S ART
compliments of Laggan Public School Children see attached

The other is 75th anniversary of WW2 exhibit
Compiled from local books and sources

You are invited to come visit either or both of these exhibits
during library hours
Tuesdays and Thursdays 4 P.M. -8 P.M.
Wednesdays 10 A.m. -2 P.M.
Saturday 10A.M.-1P.M.

thank You

Frances
DHS http://acorn2011.com/

Glengarry County Archives in Alexandria, Ontario

noreply@blogger.com (Alex W Fraser, Rhoda Ross, Alex Fraser) — Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:51:00 +0000

The newly-formed Glengarry County Archives in Alexandria, Ontario needs your help.

If you have historical material, such as letters, diaries and photographs,

relating to the history of the county and would to see them preserved,

For more information on this venture please contact Allan J. MacDonald,

the county archivist, at dorniemac @ gmail.com

3/29/14 update

Please add the following to the archives post.

The county archives has been recently incorporated as a municipal corporation reporting to

both North and South Glengarry Townships. It is expected that the archives will open to the

public by October of this year complete with a website and holdings containing land records,

wills and municipal records.

Allan MacDonald
Take care and God Bless
Alex W Fraser
Courtenay, BC
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GLENGARRY HISTORICAL SOCIETY News March Update

noreply@blogger.com (Alex W Fraser, Rhoda Ross, Alex Fraser) — Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:23:00 +0000

P.O. Box 69

Williamstown, Ontario KOC 2J0

613 347-3547

E: info @ glenganyhistory.ca

www.glengarryhistory.ca

www.norwestersandloyalistmuseum.ca

A BRIEF WORD FROM THE ACTING CHAIR TO THE MEMBERS OF THE

GLENGARRY HISTORICAL SOCIETY

This is an invitation and reminder of our April 3 meeting which will be held at the Nor'westers and Loyalist Museum STARTING AT 7:30 PM--not our usual time of 8:00 PM. This is a joint meeting with Encore that promises to be a very interesting session featuring Jennifer DeBruin who will share some of the processes of writing historical fiction. Of special interest is the fact that her work is embedded in the history of Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry which gives it a particular relevance to our work on local history. Some of her characters are tied to the United Empire Loyalists which connects this presentation to some of the exhibits of the Museum.

Early arrivals to the evening will have the opportunity to tour the Loyalist section of the Museum. As in the past, there will be refreshments following the meeting.

If you are able to contribute a dessert, please contact Suzanne Bujold Bleile at 613-525-3806.

We are only six weeks away from our Annual General Meeting scheduled for May 1 at the United Church on the Hill in Alexandria. We have some serious concerns to deal with related to the future of the Society.

They are:

SOCIETY LEADERSHIP: There is a need for members willing to serve on the Board (both Graham Wells the current Vice-Chair and I have indicated that we will not seek another term) If you are interested in standing for the Board please contact Graham at 613-528-4485.

FINANCES: We are basically secure for the next couple of years providing there are no unusual expenditures needed. However, our normal expenditures have exceeded our revenue for several years now by several thousand dollars and as we know, postal rates are going up shortly. Operating with a loss each year is not sustainable without obtaining new sources of funding either through donations or bequests from members, increasing membership fees, or succeeding in securing help from granting agencies.

GHS STRUCTURE: As I write this there is a re-evaluation of the relationship between the Nor'westers Museum and the Historical Society occurring. That will need serious reflection and discussion.

The Annual General Meeting is also a time to gather over a potluck supper, share our reflections on the past year and enjoy the company of friends and members both old and new. I hope that I will be able to share your company on both April 3 and May 1. Also as I write this another snow storm is on the way. However, there is the promise of warmer weather to melt that snow and, perhaps, get me excited about a possible Spring. Either I am getting cranky in my older age or it really has been a long, cold winter. See you on April 3rd at 7:30 PM in

Williamstown.

GLENGARRY HISTORICAL SOCIETY NOR’WESTERS AND LOYALIST MUSEUM

Enjoy,

Take care and GodBless

Alex W Fraser

Courtenay, BC

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Cornwall Township Rocked by Suspicious Volvey Death, 1935

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Just received the March 2014 Newsletter from the Cornwall Township Historical Society

Cornwall Township Rocked by Suspicious Volvey Death, 1935

Main article of 2 1/2 pages is on the Murder Case in 1935, township Rocked by Suspicious Louis Volvey Death at Bonville, Ontario. in which charges were laid agains Clarence Cameron and Mrs Viney Belle Volvey. The judge was Justice Nicol Jeffrey of the Supreme Court of Ontario. There was evidence of an illicit affaire between Clarence Cameron & Mrs Viney Volvey

Also mentioned on the last page of this newsletter the passing of Ranald McDonell on Jan 6 and Mrs Janet Quail on Jan 22

The SDG Historical society put of Cornwall Scrapbook, a pictorial history of Cornwall.

Another new book by Jennifer DeBruin title Shadows in the Tree is a novel that traces the plight of a family engulfed in the American Revolution. Jennifer will be the guest speaker at the Mar 25/14 CTHS meeting at the Heritage Centre, St Andrews West. Jennifer is also author of A Walk with Mary.

Cornwall Township Historical Society http://www.cornwalltwphistorical.ca

Enjoy

take care and God Bless
Alex W Fraser
Courtenay, BC
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Glengarry History--Winter Lecture Series March 24/14

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Glengarry and the First World War

A picture of life in Glengarry County in the period leading up to WW1 and how the population fared during the conflict

The Spring of 1914

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take care and God Bless

Alex W Fraser

Courtenay, BC

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Glengarry History-- A BRIEF WORD FROM THE ACTING CHAIR--

noreply@blogger.com (Alex W Fraser, Rhoda Ross, Alex Fraser) — Thu, 27 Feb 2014 19:07:00 +0000

from a recent mailing from the Glengarry Historical Society on upcoming meetings

A BRIEF WORD FROM THE ACTING CHAIR

I'm pleased to be able to announce the March 6th program which will

feature a presentation by former GHS President, Dane Lanken, on the history of

the Munro & McIntosh Sleigh and Carriage Company of Alexandria. The meeting

will start at 8:00 PM at the Church on The Hill in Alexandria and is open to the

public. Some of you may recall that Dane spoke on this topic at a very popular

session at the Nor'westers and Loyalist Museum in Williamstown. A number of

you have approached me to say that they missed that session and hoped there

would be another opportunity to hear about the M&M and its important history

and contribution to the area. Those of you who had the good fortune to attend

the earlier session might also look forward to the chance for renewed discussion

and additional learning about this company with an international reputation.

The April 3 meeting of the Historical Society will feature Jennifer DeBruin

whose topic will be TIME TRAVEL, Exploring our own family history as inspiration

for our writing. Jennifer adds, "it will include a personal account of how I wrote

both my fact-based/historical fiction novels set in SD&G: A Walk with Mary

(GSPH, 2012), and Shadows in the Tree (GSPH, 2013). It will touch on genealogy

and take participants on a historical journey into SD&G history."

We hope to have that meeting at the Nortwesters and Loyalist Museum in

Williamstown. I hope to see you on March 6 and April 3.

Please note that we are well into 2014 and we look forward to receiving

membership dues for annual members (can be mailed to GHS at Box 416,

Alexandria, ON, KOC 1A0).

Spring seems to be vaguely in the air. I'm ready!

Bill Gilsdorf, Acting Chair

February 20, 2013 http://glengarryhistory.ca

Enjoy

take care and God Bless

Alex W Fraser

Courtenay, BC

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For your travel interests

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