10/24/04 From God the Father - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

When those people, being called of themselves Christians, ask you, 'To which church do you belong?', you shall answer them, "I belong to no church named of men. I belong to My Lord Jesus. Together, with all those who are His, is the Church in which I dwell."

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1 Thessalonians 5:20-21 (New American Standard Bible)
do not despise prophetic utterances.
But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good;

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If the letters to your friend Timothy ARE in fact from God, then that means that the prophecies in those letters MUST happen.....right? Since prophecy from our God is 100% accurate...

The reason I ask is because I have known sooooo many people who claim to have been given a message or revelation from God....and they boldly predict events to come....but they end up being wrong. (Which means either the one who gave them the message is a lier, or they faked the whole thing.)

Lets always discern what we hear and read. A huge event of the end times is people falling away.

Here is a reply, that I punched out on my crusty old laptop ...

Hi there.

There is always tension when a prophet issues something from God. On the one hand, one should not despise prophecies. On the other hand, one should pay attention to cry false and to shun a corrupt source if and when their words show to be untrue. So, the tension is in looking at both the current word and all the words as a whole.

It gets easier once you find a fault, because you no longer have to deal with the source. One fault or error in what a prophet states and they are no longer to ever be viewed as God's messenger again.

It is difficult when someone has yet to be seen as false, because even though confidence is gained by the certainty and accuracy of their prophecies, one cannot use that confidence to rubber-stamp approval on any future prophecies or to turn a blind eye to what was said even from the beginning. All of it as a whole and every detain therein should be constantly re-examined and shown to be true. It should be always shown to be spotless in any examination or it should be treated as no better than the book of mormon or other demonstrably erroneous so-called prophecies.

I believe Timothy is true and is receiving from God. Nevertheless, I am always looking for new ways to nail down what is said and keep track of it with the rigor that it deserves. Does this mean that I am still skeptical? Well, I must admit that I certainly do believe it is authentic, but that does not give me the escape to treat the Words lightly or to quit testing them.

God speaks to me, not like Timothy, but in the Voice within. And even though it is from Him, I don't always hear it right and want Him to reaffirm His words over and over until I understand clearly. This going over and over would apply even more to any voice from God outside of my heart claiming to be from God.

I have spreadsheets, with predictions in the Letters, and links back to when (the date of origin) they were issued and the latest possible fulfillment thereof. When Timothy saw what I was doing, and making with the spreadsheets, he offered to help and has added to the list ... even from among his private letters (as opposed to the published letters on the site and pdf.)

I wish there were more people that took this approach to the integrity of what Timothy is delivering, but I don't know of anyone else that is doing it. Just what I am doing with Timothy's help as far as I am aware.

Anyway, you are right to say that one falsehood demolishes the ministry of any prophet. When I first set out to read the Letters, I was looking for that one falsehood. Now, several years later, I still am on the lookout, even though I stand convinced of them.

So, my advice to you would be to never take my word for it or anyone else's. Examine and test things for yourself with much prayer and much going over and over in prayer to see if you are really hearing right and really giving the situation the due gravity that it deserves.

This is not a time for herd mentality and just going along with the crowd, letting them decide things for you. The crowd is notoriously led astray, and prone to error. This is a time for study and prayer and to live with integrity before the Lord ... for when we are called to account for this life, the crowd will not be standing next to us as a defense if we get things wrong. We each will stand before Him and He is able to make us stand. Therefore, with stamina and longsuffering, let us be diligent with what is before us, so that on that day we will have no regrets.

Ripening for the harvest,
Trent

If I had a mind to brag a little, I could probably do it without looking ridiculous, and I'd still be speaking plain truth all the way. But I'll spare you. I don't want anyone imagining me as anything other than the fool you'd encounter if you saw me on the street or heard me talk. Because of the extravagance of those revelations, and so I wouldn't get a big head, I was given the gift of a handicap to keep me in constant touch with my limitations. Satan's angel did his best to get me down; what he in fact did was push me to my knees. No danger then of walking around high and mighty!

At first I didn't think of it as a gift, and begged God to remove it. Three times I did that, and then he told me, My grace is enough; it's all you need. My strength comes into its own in your weakness. Once I heard that, I was glad to let it happen. I quit focusing on the handicap and began appreciating the gift. It was a case of Christ's strength moving in on my weakness.

Now I take limitations in stride, and with good cheer, these limitations that cut me down to size - abuse, accidents, opposition, bad breaks. I just let Christ take over! And so the weaker I get, the stronger I become.

You may have heard this story, but I'll tell it anyway:

A king in great delight scattered his most precious possessions in the courtyard, and announced that it is out of love for his subjects that they could come into his courtyard and behold these marvels and treasures. Seeing the crowd and filled with charity, the king announces to all that came, "My beloved," he said, "look around and whatever catches your eye that your heart might desire ... anything in the courtyard ... wrap your arms around it and it shall be yours."

You can imagine how one after another picked beautiful statue and golden sculptures with gladness and the king gave with gladness. However, one boy puzzled and pondered these things.

"Please don't be angry," he said to the king, "Are you sure you want to do this?"

"Of course."

"Really? Have you thought about what this really means?" the boy continued, "I can put my arms around anything in the courtyard and it will belong to me?"

"Try me right now. Test me, my child" said the king with authority, "whatever your heart desires will be yours if you wrap your arms around it."

And with that, the boy fell to his knees and with tears the boy clutched the feet of the king. Now, with greater tears the king said loudly, "You, my child, are wiser than all the rest. You have chosen wisely for it is in possessing me that you possess all I have."

You see?

Beloved, I know God is good and gives to us out of His abundance ... I just don't care. I'm not interested, and I'll happily go without what others have. I have enough of those things. I just want the King.

Can anyone offer Him? Is anyone promoting Him and lifting up Him? What programs and systems are there out there for people like me that want only Him?

Sure, I get it ... some people want the gifts and the treasure. Fine. I understand. My interest is in the Giver. That's just me.

We all get to choose, beloved. What our heart desires will be given. Our heart is revealed through choice and God fixes our choice for us whether we choose Him or the alternative.

Remember the disciples? One asked if they could go and say goodbye to loved ones first. Jesus said to him: "No one, after putting his hand to the plow and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God." He chose. Jesus fixed his decision for him.

Still other disciples asked to sit at the Lord's right and left hand, and were asked by Jesus if they could drink from the cup that the Lord would drink from. They said to Him, "We are able." He said to them, "My cup you shall drink;..."

Once again, they chose, and the Lord fixed their choice for them, making it real and honoring their decision. And know this, these two disciples did indeed drink from His cup, as they, the sons of Zebedee, were brutally executed for their faith.

Choice. There is lots of it. We choose. God honors and settles our choices. Among the choices are wealth and health and so on. A heart is revealed by choosing those gifts. But for me the best choice is none of those things. I've experienced wealth, and I've experienced something better.

My heart is not into those things. If all those things are "added to me" for seeking Him first, then so be it. If they are not and I am denied claim all the blessings in this life that are promised to those that seek Him first ... then I truly hope that I never notice while enraptured by His companionship.

The requisite for resurrection power is the marks of death. In knowing more about the Lord, I can take each step He has prepared for me, even those that include suffering and discomfort, if needs be. There are things to learn in discomfort that cannot be learned in comfort. We cannot know the peace He provides without turmoil. We cannot expect to learn of deliverance if we are always in safety. We learn through contrasts, and I welcome it.

Revelation 21
... the former sky and the former earth had passed away (vanished), and there no longer existed any sea. And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, ...
Revelation 3:12
... the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which descends from My God out of heaven, and My own new name.

I understand our fascination with the material cosmos, I really do. It is easy to think of something real only in terms with how we can see, touch, taste, or smell it.

When a physical blade scraps through our physical skin, we hurt. We are flooded by our senses that are only in tune with the material (and blind to spritual reality), and so it calls to us with the deception of true substance and reality, when it is nothing more than a figment of time in constant flux ... revealing its identity as transitory and fading. That physical blade, was space dust, then magma, then ore, then a fender, then a can, then a bullet, then a brake-pad, and finally made into a blade. What will it be 100 years from now? 1000 years from now? Its identity is only founded on the figment of temporal illusion. In other words, its identity changes over and over throughout time. When this planet is enveloped by the next supernova, or a blackhole churns this corner of the galaxy again, that physical blade, that seemed so real ... will cease to impress from the grand scope of time. Even less impressive is the creation, with revelation of the Eternal.

Psalm 90:2
Before the mountains were born Or You gave birth to the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God.

The deluge of sensitory input through our five senses, convinces us that only what is physical is what is real. Our minds are given over to materialism, to the point that we begin to think of God's Spirit as something that is less than what is physically apparent. Our materialistic minds lend Spirit less credit as a substance than a faint vapor. Only because it is not seen, nor felt, not touched, nor tasted. Spirit is merely subtle to our senses, it is completely invisible to us ... inaudible ... and immaterial. Yet the mystery is that it is far more substantial than anything that is visible, material, or audible. The Great I AM is that He is that He is. And the creation simply comes and goes ...

So, understand that I can't go along with theology that deminishes God's promises to something as trivial and faint to me as a merely physical material hope and promise, something for our eyes to behold, and hands can touch, and our nose can smell. To me that would tarnish the surpassing luster of what I know of Spirit that is far surpassing what is detected by our physical senses. I view those notions as materialisticly pandering, and carnal invention, and spiritually blind.

2 Corinthians 4:18
So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

1 Corinthians 2:7-11
No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. However, as it is written:
"No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no mind has conceived
what God has prepared for those who love him"— but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.

If an idea of the Kingdom is what I can see with my eyes (like a physical city on a physical planet) then why would I want to gaze at something that cheap and temporary? What is "revealed to me by His Spirit" are things that "eyes cannot see," "nor ears hear," "nor minds conceived." The glory that I am destined for is "before time began" ... even Eternal Life - God's own Life.

Jerusalem, Israel as a residential town, seen with physical eyes, yet it is perisible and transitory, not eternal and absolute as God's Kingdom. The "heavenly Jerusalem" where my hope lies does not have a population of a million, nor billion, nor trillion. The population is 1, for it is the "City of God" and the glory of the nations will be brought into it.

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11/23/05 - From Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear.

Thus says the Lord to His people, who abide in marriage as they should:

As I have given up of My body for all those I love, even unto death, likewise should all those, who love one another, love them as I have loved you. In all ways did I submit unto My bride, which is also My body, even unto the relinquishing of My power over her, nor did I judge My bride. Because of this, she has become My bride. In the same manner, she must give of herself unto Me to make the union complete and everlasting. The Father has given her hand to Me, and I have called unto her, saying, “How I long to gather you into My arms, and love you as My own, and make you My bride. Come and see...I have already prepared a place for you. Become My virgin and accept these robes of white, and walk in them and wear them well, so we can walk together in the Garden, forever and ever.”

Now listen with ears open: As I have done, do likewise, for any bride joined must be cleansed and made fit for her husband. Also, all earthly husbands must also become clean, lest your holy union be unclean. The Father gave you marriage, by which you come together as one, in His name.

So then, when there is division or separation, how then can two come together, as one in the flesh, when a division in spirit remains? I have told you already, and you also know within your hearts, that all those in marriage must first come together in spiritual intimacy, closer than flesh. Then can you fulfill this closeness through that which is fleshly. This is also a gift from the Father and should be treated as such, according to how He has commanded you and how you should receive it and experience it.

Those in marriage can reach new heights of ecstasy through the unification of flesh. Only by this union, being that which is a completion, or a finishing, of love’s desire that you become completely one, because you had first become one in the Spirit, with all thankfulness to God for bringing you together in His name, under His commandments.

One can not give into complete abandonment of oneself, melding into the love of another, unless first absolute trust is established. Trust is earned, not given. So all those, who first trust in God because of what He has done by way of Me, have placed the Cornerstone in their marriage...and from this Foundation can all new and shining houses be built, and those that already exist be strengthened.

When one of you two has an obstacle or stumbling block, then you both have fallen; and as two together, as one, must all these adversities be overcome. All those, who overcome together in Me, will receive even greater things than these which they now think will lead them into happiness. As We, the Father and the Son, are long-suffering, so then shall you be...love is patient.

Remember that any rent, which is not quickly mended, is made worse with time, further tearing away from the fabric of your marriage. Mend all rents speedily, and with a greater thread, and with more tender hands than in the past.

As all things are made new in Me,
so then, all those, who believe in Me,
must be remade in My image, walking in My ways...

so goes restoration in marriage...

your marriage of old must die
and be forgotten through forgiveness,
and be completely remade on a new foundation...

This is a process, My beloved little ones.

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10/28/04 - From God the Father, A Letter Given to Timothy - For Timothy and His Wife, and For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear.

God the Father:

When lying together, remember the decrees of God concerning these things of sex and intimacy:

You shall not lie with another outside of marriage...with your spouse only shall you lie.
Even sex before marriage, called fornication, is adultery.

You shall not think of others, but your spouse only, nor of unnatural acts.

You shall not lie with your wife during her monthly shedding of blood.

You shall not partake in sodomy.

You shall not behold others in sin (pornography) with your eyes. To do so is to sin with them.

No man or woman, in all creation, shall lie with another of their same gender. This is abomination in the eyes of the Most High and full of blasphemy! I gave unto man, by Adam, woman. From his side did I form her, and he who was one became two, and they two became one again in marriage...two of one flesh...man and woman. I saw that it was very good.

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[Jesus speaking:] Here is wisdom: Following one’s desire for love is not sin, but giving into temptation, which is against the commandments of God, is sin, and will only lead to pain. Physical love is reserved unto marriage as a special gift, whose outcome leads to great and lasting depths of love in marriage, bringing forth more gifts from God in the form of your children, who are the fulfillment of that love, being equally you and your husband in them. Oh. what joy to those, who have the blessing of children. Even those who have not conceived, or were not able, who have complete faith in Me, shall receive many children in My Kingdom to come. To all children is the Kingdom assured.

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I created a flickr photostream to house and display charts and graphs of the markers and signs indicating the end of the age. Please send me other graphics if you find some to be added to my stream.

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1. Signs of the End of This Age - Present Time
This includes earthquakes, wars, storms, Israel's statehood, etc., as foretold by the prophets and Jesus in the Bible. These are not part of the judgments, but are just markers or signs of the end of the age. At this time, Jesus is separating the "wheat" from the "tares" as told of in the New Testament. (For signs of the end of the age, please read Matthew 24 and Luke 21. The "wheat" and the "tares" parable is Matthew 13:24-29).

2. First Resurrection. First Harvest of the End of This Age.
This first resurrection is for those who belong to Christ, both those who have died in Christ and those who are still alive. At this time, Jesus is gathering the "wheat" into His barn. The redeemed have to be gathered up before the judgments and tribulation start because the innocent and forgiven(those who are truly converted in their hearts, in whom Jesus sees of Himself) will not be judged or punished. "For the Lord Himself will come down from Heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive, and are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air." (Thessalonians 4:16-17)

3. Seven Years of Judgments from God & Tribulation from the Antichrist
During the seven years of judgments from God, He will: Judge the people, punish the wicked, and loose more harvest (the wild wheat) from the hand of the evil one. All, who call on Jesus' name during this time of tribulation, will be saved. The judgments include the plagues, etc. as told of in the book of Revelation. These plagues are literal...by no other means will the people be awakened or their hearts softened. The tribulation is from the antichrist (beast) and includes the persecution of the new believers and his war against them. The Second Harvest takes place during these seven years. Any believer, dying during this time, goes directly to Jesus, to be with those of the First Harvest.

4. Christ Returns and Establishes His Kingdom on Earth
When Christ returns, He will destroy the antichrist (beast) and his false prophet. Jesus will bind satan for one thousand years, and He will bind all the "tares" or wicked, who are left, and destroy them. (The "tares" are destroyed, a permanent state - not an endless torment). The beast's army will be destroyed with the sword of Jesus' mouth and the brightness of His coming.

5. Thousand Year Millennium - Seventh Day, a Period of Resting and a Reward for the Redeemed
This period of one thousand years is a period of resting and a reward for the redeemed. They will live and reign, with Christ, on earth. During this millennium, satan is bound. He will not be able to tempt the people.

6. Second Resurrection. Satan is released.
At the end of the thousand year millennium, satan is released one last time. Also resurrected, during this time, are all those who did not take part in the First Resurrection.

7. Final Judgment
All the books will be opened. This is the time of final decision for those who were not part of the First Resurrection. All prophets, who have ever lived, will be proclaiming the truth to the great multitude outside the gates. All people, who have chosen Christ, from the beginning until now, will be safely inside the gates. Also during this time, the newly redeemed will be welcomed in the gates, before the final battle happens.

8. Final Battle
Satan, and all those who follow him, will rage war against the holy city and the Lord. All of satan's army will be consumed by the fire from Heaven. Satan will be cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet were thrown. All of the books, and death, will also be cast into the lake of fire. Anyone, whose name is not written in the Book of Life, shall be cast therein.

9. Eternity with the Lord...We will be forever with the Lord. Amen.
"Now the dwelling of God is with men, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." Revelation 21:3-4

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Is baptism necessary for salvation?
While baptism is an important act of obedience, it isn't necessary for salvation. The only requirement for salvation is faith in the Lord Jesus Christ ( John 1:12-13; 3:16-18; 6:28-29 ; Ephesians 2:8-9 ). In the first century, baptism always followed immediately as the first step of obedience, so much so that it is often mentioned alongside of faith as part of the "package" that brought a person into the body of Christ ( Matthew 28:19 ; Mark 16:16 ; Acts 2:38 ). However, passages like John 1:12-13 , Romans 3:21-31, 4:1-12, 5:1 , and Ephesians 2:8-9 make it clear that it is God's grace through faith alone that bring salvation.

The misunderstanding by those who teach that baptism is necessary for salvation stems in part from a failure to recognize that the New Testament was written by people who were familiar enough with baptism to understand that it was the normal means of expressing conversion. In that context, early Christians would be less likely than ourselves to misunderstand the symbolism in the apostle Paul's words:

Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life (Romans 6:3-4).

He could use the expressions "baptized into Christ," "baptized into His death," and "buried with Him through baptism into death" with the confidence that his readers would realize that he was using the language of symbolism. Obviously baptism doesn't cause us to die physically with Christ or to be buried in the tomb where His body was placed. It expresses our desire to live a victorious Christian life and symbolizes our identification with Jesus Christ through faith, by which we share in the benefits of all He did for us.

We recognize symbolism, for example, in the wedding ring. A ring doesn't physically cause unending love and devotion, it symbolizes these qualities. Likewise, wearing a gold band doesn't make the wearer a faithful spouse. Its symbolism is an outward expression of an inward reality and can be a helpful reminder of fidelity.

Verse after verse in the Scriptures, both in the Old and New Testaments, clearly affirm salvation by grace through faith alone. Abraham, David, Moses, Daniel, and a host of Old Testament people were never baptized and yet are heroes of the faith, heirs of salvation. The dying thief who repented was promised companionship with Jesus in Paradise even though he died without baptism ( Luke 23:43 ). If we interpret the few passages that seem to make baptism a requirement for salvation in the light of the hundreds that declare salvation is by faith alone and the many that clearly make baptism a symbol, we will find them in perfect harmony with the great body of biblical truth.

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Jesus is NOT the answer. I don't care how many bumper-stickers say otherwise.
Jesus IS the WAY. Let me explain the difference.

For the sake of discussion, I asked my sister-in-law (who is from Spain) to translate a sentence for me from English into Spanish. Here is her answer: "Spanish spanish spanish-spanish, spanish spanish spanish spanish spanish spanish."

She made spanish into the ANSWER of her translation, instead of the WAY of her translation.

(again for the sake of discussion) I asked a friend mathematician to handle these three problems. Here is his answer: "3X2 = mathematics ... 5 / 4 = mathematics ... 185 - 667 = mathematics."

He was about as helpful as my sister-in-law, don't you think? See the chaos that can happen when someone mistakes the WAY for the ANSWER?

In the first case Spanish was the WAY she was supposed to derive the answer, and in the second example mathematics is the WAY that he was going to handle the questions ... but they inserted the WAY AS the answer.

This is absurd, no? And it is just as absurd to say that Jesus is the ANSWER, when He is the WAY.

The ANSWER always is concerned with "what" ... but it is a far greater thing to know the WAY, because every WAY is concerned with "HOW." If you know HOW, or then you have hope no matter what unforeseen thing comes against you.

Jesus is the HOW to handle the unforeseen things.

Just think about knowing HOW to speak Spanish opens up infinite ways to communicate something. Just think about knowing HOW to use mathematics can make limitless questions (not just the ones that you have memorized) answerable. Jesus, likewise, is the WAY, and we thus know HOW to live.

Creation's ultimate purpose is to glorify God. Jesus is the WAY.for me, a part of the creation, to glorify God. Without the WAY, then I am doomed to fall short of the glory of God. I cannot glorify God on my own, apart from Him I can do absolutely NOTHING, but continue in slavery to sin.

The WAY is Jesus. He is HOW.

I may never know what I should have done in the past, but I know HOW I should have done it ... The Way, before, was Jesus. I should have exchanged my inabilities for His ability.

I may never know what I should do tomorrow, but when I get there ... the highest calling for me is that Jesus be the WAY, the actual HOW, it gets done ... not by my might, nor by my power, but by His Spirit, the Spirit of the Lord Jesus.

And as for right NOW, I won't know the answer for what I should do to glorify God, but if I find the WAY, Jesus, then He will supply the answer, even in this very moment.

To every thing that we are so strong as to come up with the answer, we consider that Jesus is irrelevant. We say that we can handle this one, and we call on Him later, if we need Him. Why? We skip the Way. Thus, the answer that we come up with on our own is a guess in the dark. Clearly we have lost our way, without Jesus. And without Jesus, we only think that we know the answer, but we don't.

So, I say that for as many things that I think that I know HOW to handle, it is exactly those things of which I have yet to repent. Why? Because Jesus is the WAY ... He deals with HOW. And by His Spirit, all things are possible.

• GraceHead vs LawHead
• I am becoming unteachable ... (what is my gospel?)

When I get ahold of the Way, then He leads me to all the answers. Jesus is the Way, and every other way, isn't the Way.

I don't have all the answers. Infact, I don't believe that Jesus is the answer. Jesus is the way to all the answers.

When you teach mathmatics, you don't teach the answers. Math instructors teach the way to the answers, and once a student has the way, then they won't ever lack an answer.

I'll say alot of things that are just plain wrong, but what did you expect? I am not the answer-man. Those things that I say, that make you want to question everything that I previously said is a wake up call to you that I don't have the Truth in a doctrinally packaged form.

Those wake-up calls in your life are given to keep your eyes on Christ, instead of men.

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6/2/09 From Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, YahShua the Messiah -
A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

It has come up before Me among My flocks, this question, and now of your wife also. For your sake, Timothy, I shall answer, for you came and humbled yourself before Me, sincerely seeking to hear, even if it means your correction... Not at all doubting the word of your brothers in the Scriptures of Truth, nor that Word in the Volumes, which reveals My glory according to that gift which was seemingly rejected... Then, once again, received by repentance, sincere remorse, proven also in action.

So then, My beloved lambs, indeed you remain babes and yet lack understanding. Nor can you see past that wall you have built up in yourselves, which yet blocks your vision... Tear it down, so you may see! Soften your forehead, and perk up your ears, and wipe your eyes... See clearly and hear My Word.

Before you in the Scriptures, you see the man called Judas who betrayed the Son of Life unto death... Who, by receiving the bribe, revealed the Son of Man’s location, even leading His accusers to Him, not realizing that each step taken was bringing him that much closer to destruction by his own hand, and that out of extreme remorse for what he had done... Only realized because of My spirit which had returned, whereby his walk with satan had ended... Where he again took the money, the price for which I had been weighed, and cast it down at the feet of the guilty... Who then took the money and bought the Potter’s Field, as it is written, the Field of Blood, where Judas also hung himself.
Therefore, Judas could not buy a field with the money he did not own, nor did it enter his mind. Rather those, with evil and hardened hearts, bought the field to bury those they saw as unworthy in their eyes... Whereby a sign was made and fulfilled by Judas, written in his own blood, splattering it that no man may ever be buried there. And so it remains to this day... the desolate Field of Blood.

And of Judas, he shall be with Me in paradise. Do not speak to the contrary, lest I leave you upon the earth at the Last Day, for the blaspheming of the Spirit and My words...

Therefore, oh wicked and hard-hearted sheep, do you really know Me?... And of that one sin, which cannot be forgiven, of which Judas did not commit? For though he died before Me, his sins I also bore, even crucifying them upon the tree in My own body.

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God's being must be removed for anything else to exist. So in the beginning we have a formless void. Of what is it void? It is void of Eternity for the creation is temporal (within time.) It is void of infinity also, thus God could form finite - multiple entities within it, while He remained beyond the creation ... as it were "moving on the waters." I give this background, because most people are predisposed to view the cosmos as the substance and God's being as a faint or sortof minimal fill?in?the?blank whatever. But, the deep revelation is that God is the only stable and formidable substance that is unchanged and persistent, and He compressed His being to remove Himself from the realm wherein we are created and live. But, just as it began; it will end. This is for only a season, and the collapse draws ever closer to the "last day."

So, there is a natural gulf between man and God of impossible dimension ... there is no compatibility between finite and infinite. There is no natural way for Eternal and temporal to be intimate ... and thus God is to us - a Consuming Fire.

Man wants to be intimate with the Creator, and He with us, so God sends an umbilical cord to a little box- the ark. And later He sends it to a little room - the Temple's "Holy of Holies." But, that did not really provide any kind of intimacy. Only a priest would get to interface after a ritual of painstaking detail to show just how far below we are to God, and then the priest did not have much to report but we are sure that it was all distorted anyway by the priest's organic intellect. Anyway, this is all leading up to God's intention to send that umbilical cord to Mary's womb. The temple was just an appetizer.

Down the umbilical cord travels the Spirit of God and at the end we find a Man. That man was born in Bethlehem - Jesus Christ - God with us.

So, Jesus (while never being less then God) decided to behave as never more then man. Why? He came here to reconcile the infinite nature of God and the finite nature of the souls of men - to make peace between He and us. But, also because if He chose to behave like God, then that would not teach us anything. We have no hope to behave like God, thus He behaves like man - He prays to the Father, and He receives instruction from the Father to obey, and He even says, "I always do what is pleasing to the Father." Pretty cool, eh?

John 8:23
But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.

Now, the Christ is not a creature formed out of the void of the cosmos. He is from above. Jesus is the ONLY Begotton. He descended directly from beyond, from infinity, from eternity ... from the Father. And He reconciles us by offering us that life from beyond - eternal life. But, there is a great price to pay for reconciling our nature with His, and that price is demonstrated at the cross.

Isaiah 53:5
But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.

1 Peter 2:24
He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed.
Not much of a trade: our ungodliness for His Godliness, but the swap was made. and it has brought peace to those that are born from the void, as we now can be born of the Spirit - even the Spirit of God, the same Spirit that animates the Son of God, and that is eternally present beyond the creation with the Father.

It is because Christ is the very substance of the being of God that we can partake of Him to have eternal life. Now, God's umbilical cord, Christ ... has umbilical cords to men, of which I am one of the men that has agreed to have this done unto me. Now I have eternal life, which is the same life that is in Christ as I am attached to Him, and His life is the same life as the Father as He is attached to Him. Pretty cool, eh? ... and I did none of this. Christ did it all. All I had to do is agree to have it done to me.

All anyone has to do is invite, yet not all are willing to do so. (not that "the willing" have anything to boast about.)

So, our good works do not secure a change in enternal destiny.
RATHER, our change in eternal destiny changes us into fit vessels for good works that He has prepared for us to do.

We work because we are already saved, and by virtue of this gift and the deposit within by which all of the divine attributes are now being mingled and infused into our innermost beings ... we awaken to new desires and new wants.

Tit 2:14
[Christ] gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity and purify unto Himself a peculiar people, zealous for good works.

These wants are "strange" to us, and our new desires appear "strange" to the world. For "strange" means that it is come from beyond this world.

I am vexed by my faithlessness. I want to be rid of sin (some sins more then others.) And I don't know of a single thing that I have ever done that lead me to these desires. I don't credit bible-study, greek-parsing of scripture, quiet-time, prayer-warrior ... nothing! It must be something that GOD is doing in me that is the genesis for this soul in this ape-suit to be so concerned with the things of God and His kingdom.

So join me, if it suits you to, and lets encourage each others growth in this realization of God's Kingdom, and its manifestation in our wants and our works. And as this occurs we can both delight and give praise and honor to Whom it is deserved, for never once have we ever been able to produce such fruit. We bear (not produce) the fruit of the Vine.

"Scripture statements concerning the nature of God...affirms His unity....But the Scripture as plainly affirms the distinction of persons in the Godhead. 'Unity in plurality and plurality in unity' is the great assertion here...it must not be forgotten or denied, that there are continually exhibited within [the Bible's] pages, in bold relief, truths seemingly opposed to each other...The twofoldness of truth as offered to our view in Holy Writ, is one strong argument of its not being the work of man. It is the glory of man's intellect to produce ONENESS. ..." (Robert Govett, "The Twofoldness of Divine Truth," Norwich, 1892)

Most church-goers seem to think that salvation is getting forgiven, and that is the extent of it.

"God forgives people so that they get to go to heaven even though He would otherwise be really mad that they sinned."
I would estimate that at least 8 out of 10 church-goers would say something similar, wouldn't you?

I look at getting forgiven as just an appetizer. Reconciliation doesn't really feed anybody's hungry soul. One can be forgiven and reconciled but not really saved. In fact, everyone is reconciled though many have been saved of nothing. Even our famous John 3:16 shows that salvation isn't a clean and dirty issue, but a life and death issue.

If we have died of cancer and someone finds the cure, what good is it to us? Sure, they could administer the cure to us, but what good is that to a corpse?

Our cancer is sin and the wage of sin is death. So what good is it if someone comes along and rids us of what killed us? Are we not still dead?

Provided that we have died of cancer and someone finds a way to revive us, but has no cure for cancer, then why even bother reviving us? Take a dead cancer victim and give them life, while they still have cancer, and they will shortly die again. Perhaps immediately die again.

Through salvation we are taken from death to life, does not come without the cure for what killed us to begin with. In fact our remedy is really two-fold. Thus it is written:

Romans 5:10
"For if, when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!"

I am putting the emphasis on the part of the equation that scripture emphasizes - salvation by His Life!

If you are ever compelled to say something, then say exactly that, by the Spirit, and with the words that He gave you to say.

If the Spirit tells you to instruct the dean of students of a seminary then march into their office and instruct them! If the Spirit tells you to hush while some ignoramus is begging you to tell them the gospel, then hush!

If the Spirit tells you to give everything that you own to somebody that is dripping with gold, then immediately give it away. If the Spirit tells you to withhold spare-change from someone who is dying of starvation then don't you give them a penny.

Start living according to the Spirit. Start walking by the Spirit, and abandon all of your thoughts and plans.

You think that everyone needs to know what you know? Well, that might be, but the need is not the call. Wait on the call, and when you do this you will be as a fisher of men. Stop deciding when to cast your net all day and hear one word from the Master ... and watch what happens, with such feeble effort applied to His specific call to action. Your boat will not be able to bring ashore all that will be accomplished in simple trusting obedience.

Right now all evangelical thrusts of mainstream Christianity have all lost their way. They are all about how man can be instructed by their carnal mind, hoping and planning to bring in a harvest through calculated resource management and supervision. That is mere training on how to walk according to the flesh, not according to the Spirit. Lets forever repent of any lonely un-holy ambitions and acts of devotion that have no origination from the Spirit. That stuff is just sinning and calling it good. It is wood, hay and stubble, and just exhausting ourself in the meantime with nothing to show for it.

I witness to reality on this blog, but only because it would be more exhausting to hold it within. God has placed this song in my heart, and I am revealing this true-condition as I speak. I don't care it if moves one person closer to God. I don't care if it makes some people go to war with God. What you do with it is your own business. There isn't anything "in it" for me one-way-or-the-other. My satisfaction comes just be getting it off my chest and the relief does not depend on your response.

By the Spirit, I know about and witness to a reality that is revealed to me. Do with it, however you want to. Whether you "amen" or scoff at it, I only want your true condition to be revealed. If nothing else, I only encourage that we be true and lay aside all pretense, even the pretense of ignorance with regard to what has been revealed to us.

Revelation 22:11
"LET him who does wrong continue to do wrong; LET him who is vile continue to be vile; LET him who does right continue to do right; and LET him who is holy continue to be holy."
Revelation 22:10-12 (in Context) Revelation 22
(Whole Chapter)

Often we approach the relationship to God with a systematized forensic understanding of the basis of relationship (ie. the facts of the gospel.) ... but at some point, we begin to realize that the relationship makes true those facts ... not the facts making true the relationship ... and all that stuff, no matter how much we think we have it figured out, is meaningless apart from God, Himself ...

What if there was no Bible (as the past has shown to be the case) and no religion (see Abraham) ... would there not be an essential table set at the heart of man that seats only two? Would there not be a place in the very heart of us to build something of a personal and unique understanding between God and each of us? And wouldn't this fit under the heading of "relationship?"

Then what is all this religious stuff we pile up around this table, so that we can hardly see it?

You are blessed. You are loved. You are building something that religion cannot replace, when it is you and the Lord baring your heart to each other ... crying and shouting, being heard, and understood ...and seeing how the other responds.

I have found the most impressive communication of God's love has come to me after shaking my fist and cursing Him.

This is how we ripen for the harvest ...

Here is what I wrote in reply:

It isn't beneficial to cling to worthless idols.

Jeremiah 2:5
This is what the LORD says: "What fault did your fathers find in me, that they strayed so far from me? They followed worthless idols and became worthless themselves.

What the Bible calls an "idol" is anything (and I mean ANYTHING) that we run to for comfort in times of trouble and calamity BESIDES the Lord. We just aren't suited to cling to things that cannot help us. Anything other then the Lord are worthless at helping us in those times. We should always take the opportunity of trouble to cast our cares upon the Lord and run to Him for rescue, and to drop anything we were holding onto that isn't the things of God.

So, we don't need to be experts on what is or what is not sorcery, occult and witchcraft to get the idea that something is not of God. It isn't hard to figure out what is God and what is not, for there is none like Him. What is hard is to radically apply the principle of idolatry to our lives.

You see, the idols that I run to in times of trouble have not been fairies or jewelry or pretty designs. The idols that I have clung to in the past are intimidation, anger, bullying, charm, deception, lying, piety, pride, elitism, complaining, grumbling, unbelief, distrust, exclusiveness, insincerity, lust, and so-on. Some people go to recreational drugs, or other people to deep into self-righteousness and image building as a way to "keep up appearance" in times of trouble. Did you know that there are many people whose idols are higher education, and seminary training? Those things are inherently bad, but when you run to those things INSTEAD of God in times of trouble then you are on shaky ground ... even if you run to the Bible, or church.

There is a funny story in the Gospels of Jesus going on an mountain with a few close disciples. And on the mountain the disciples witnessed a marvelous event, where Jesus was found talking with Moses and Elijah. (Matthew 17 and Mark 9 and Luke 9.) Peter was there, and he was very impressed. The reason is because the Bible of their time was the Old Testament, and it had two parts: The Law (which was written by Moses) and the Prophets (which was written by God's prophets like Elijah.) So, seeing Jesus with those two, seemed like a fantastic sight to Peter, and he blurted out:

Luke 9:33 As the men were leaving Jesus, Peter said to him, "Master, it is good for us to be here. Let us put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah." (He did not know what he was saying.)

Peter wanted three tabernacles. One for Moses. One for Elijah. One for Jesus. Do you think that was a good idea? Do you think that Moses and Elijah were worthy to be treated as idols? Or is the Lord the only one worthy? Well, God did not make us wait long for the answer to these questions ...

Luke 9:35-36 While he was speaking, a cloud appeared and enveloped them, and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. A voice came from the cloud, saying, "This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him." When the voice had spoken, they found that Jesus was alone.

Now, that settles it. Jesus is alone at the mountain ... and He should also be alone in the mountain of our heart. If Moses and Elijah were not worthy to be there, then what about all those things that we run to in times of trouble and calamity? If those two don't stand up next to Him, we should not put anything else on equal standing with the Lord ... not "fairies" and not "Celtic symbols" ... but more so those other things ... gossip, slander, anger, charm, flakiness, piety, hypocrisy, and even Christian devotion. We aren't meant to serve two masters. We each need to come to the place where we quit building tabernacles and shelters on our mountain except for the Lord. And we run only to Him.

Luke 16:13 "No servant can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and [fill in the blank]

How might Jesus' treatment of outcasts influence Christians today?

my answer ...

Yours is an excellent question, and a very open / broad question. Likewise, my answer is broad. Please follow up with more details if you were looking for something more specific.

Jesus' life is an example of how a human should live. He was always dependent on the Father in Heaven, for what to say, and do and where to go, and when to go there. He was a clear glass, invisible and therefore a perfect vessel for the visible expression of the invisible God. Demonstrating the best way to live, and giving glory to the Father, Jesus calls us to do the same and live dependently up the Lord Jesus for all we do and say. As we abide in Him, His life will express itself through us as though it was us, but it is actually Him..The influence of the Lord Jesus upon Christians is direct, and indirect. First indirectly merely demonstrating, then directly as He, Himself, actually causes the dependent Christian to walk in His ways.

We can be, as dependent Christians, clear as a glass window, so that people will see Jesus, through us. We can shine His light, and that light will be as counter-culture today as it was, when Jesus shined it 2000 years ago.

Here are some things that Jim, a friend of mine, says regarding what His expression of life will be. An abiding branch will bear (not produce) these types of fruit towards the "outcasts."

Concern for Little Ones - Matt. 18:6-11; Mk. 9:42-50

Contrary to typical methods of religious recruitment, God is interested in the little ones, the least, the lowly, the "losers," the "lost." Religion touts their celebrities, people with big name recognition, people with money. Religion is concerned with winners and conquerors, people who can be lifted up as trophies of success. Jesus explains that God's grace is extended to those in need, the "have-nots," and if we repudiate them or cause them to stumble and be scandalized by our attitudes, then it would be better if we had a millstone hung around our neck and should sink into the depth of the sea. Stumblingblocks to receptive faith and participation in the kingdom will surely come, Jesus indicates, but woe to the religionists who create stumblingblocks to faith. The lowly, the outcasts, the "have-nots" are not dispensable; they are not spiritual "throw-aways". In fact, Jesus notes, your physical body-parts such as hands and feet and eyes are more dispensable than are these needy people. Severe judgment, "salted with fire," awaits all religionists who hinder the "little ones" and the "lost ones" from entering the kingdom of Christ. Salt can be good, though, and the pervasive characteristic of salt should permeate and season all of our interpersonal relationships. The seasoning of the character of Christ will preserve our kingdom interactions from the rottenness of religious contention and exclusivism.

Matthew, the toll-tax collector, called to follow - Matt. 9:9; Mk. 2:13,14; Lk. 5:27,28.

Walking along the seashore must have been a relaxing respite for Jesus since He was so often crowded by onlookers and seekers. Even so, a large following developed and Jesus taught them until he met Levi, the son of Alphaeus, sitting at his toll-booth. As many in this region of mixed races and religion had both a Hebrew name and a Greek name, he might have had a dual name of Levi Matthew, and it is the latter of these by which he is more popularly known and identified elsewhere. Levi was a Jew who was employed by the Roman government to collect tolls, tariffs and custom taxes, and was referred to as a "publican," for he engaged in such public duty. Since Capernaum was on the primary trade route from Damascus, Levi would have been collecting highway tolls for using the road, import and export taxes on merchandise traveling in either direction, farm taxes, fishing taxes, along with fees and taxes on almost any other objects and activities that he and his superiors could think of taxing. His position allowed for much abuse and graft, embezzlement and extortion. It is not difficult to see why first-century Jewish patriotism regarded tax-collectors as collaborators with the oppressive occupying power of Rome. They were regarded as traitors who had sold out to the enemy of God for mercenary motives. There was an intense hatred for these legalized criminals who seemed to have "a license to steal." Pharisaic tradition regarded them as morally unclean and unacceptable, to be ostracized as outcasts in the same category as harlots, thieves, gamblers and common criminals, allowing for no association without contamination and moral pollution.

Without respect for religious and cultural traditions, Jesus came to make Himself available to all mankind regardless of their race, nationality, sex, morals, vocation, economic class or other concerns. Jesus does not seem to have shared the narrow patriotic attitudes of the zealots of His day, who regarded paying taxes to Rome as an unfair imposition. He did not engage in the pretensions of religious and social respectability which would ostracize the civil servant employed by Rome. He invited Matthew to become His disciple, saying, "Follow Me." Again we must note the ontological basis of identification with the very person and being of Jesus in contrast to religious solicitations to follow after and identify with a cause celebre based on a particular ideology. Matthew followed Jesus and became true to his name which means "gift of God."

Concern for the Lost - Luke 15:1-32

The Pharisees were separatists who in their self-righteous elitism sought to avoid defilement and maintain ceremonial cleanness by disassociating from all sinners, i.e. those who did not conform to their teaching and practices. They were scandalized that Jesus would engage in the impropriety of having table-fellowship with the down-and-outs, the social outcasts and the unacceptable, thus accepting them as equals. Jesus tells three parables that explain His behavior and freedom of association with "losers" and the lost.

Though religion may be content to count the number who have remained faithful and not strayed, such is not the modus operandi of the kingdom. Since the Jewish religionists were not of Jesus' flock (cf. John 10), they would not have been able to understand how the divine Shepherd functioned. "God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance" (II Peter 3:9). God has individual compassionate concern for the lost who are willing to repent by recognizing their lostness, changing their mind so as to admit their inability and act in reliance on God's grace ability. The pious, self-righteous religious rule-keepers do not regard themselves as needing to repent in this way, and so remain stern and sour in their proud propriety. They never understand the celebration of joy in the divine recovery and restoration of fallen mankind. Joy (chara) is the attitude and expression that results only from experiencing the grace (charis) of God in Jesus Christ.

Religion is content to count the coins in the coffer and devise manipulative schemes to induce others to contribute additional coins. The attitude of God within the kingdom is like that of a poor woman who has lost one-tenth of her savings. Searching for the lost coin in every crook and cranny, she celebrates with joy when she finds it, just as God rejoices over the restoration of one sinner.

Birthrights were important in the Jewish religion and culture of the first-century. When a son initiated the breakdown of family solidarity by demanding his portion, and then squandered such in sin and failure, he would be much despised. The additional degradation and disgrace of tending swine was so offensive and abominable to Jewish thinking that they regarded such a person as a Gentile and a lost cause. The son in Jesus' parable of the "lost son" recognized his desperate need and inability to resolve his predicament, and was willing to confess such and become a day-laborer for his father. God's love and compassion for discredited and admitted failures is portrayed in the forgiveness of the father toward the son and the generous grace that restored him to full relationship as a son. In the Christian kingdom of Christ there is joyous celebration accompanied by the abundant lavishment of God's gifts of grace when the lost have been found.

The older brother in the parable serves as the portrayal of religion which has contempt for failures and "losers" who cannot or will not do it correctly and conform to expectations. Like the older brother, the Jewish religionists were "angry and refused to go in" to the kingdom celebration. Like Jonah, they were angry that God should exercise compassion and mercy upon those who repented. In like manner as the older brother was recounting his propriety and rightness, religion often engages in the bookkeeping and record-keeping of their performances, obedience and correctness, assuming a moral superiority and pride of virtue that should be able to claim exclusive rights before God. In their self-righteous calculation of their self-efforts, they regard it an unfair injustice that God should extend grace to sinners and failures.

Jesus was explaining His behavior by contrasting the proud contempt of the Jewish religionists with the grace of God within the kingdom which He came to bring in Himself. Only in the admission of our inadequacy are we free to accept the adequacy of God's grace (cf. II Cor. 3:5).

Equally as stupid is if the prophet took their calling as a lofty perch of elitism. That is like the mailman, himself, actually thinking that they had something to do with the parcel. A real prophet wants no credit, nor do they deserve more credit than a ordinary message deliverer, dutifully carrying out their service to the Lord.

Most stupid of all would be the neighbor who assumes when they see a recipient get a parcel, and they become full of jealous suspicion and spite ... sprinting across the street to get a running-start to kick the mailman in the nuts, and then slapping the recipient, knocking the parcel to the ground and then stomping on it repeatedly until it is bashed and broken, thinking that they were doing everyone a favor because that mailman was about to have an affair with the parcel receiver when nothing of the sort was going on. ... That neighbor is hopelessly deluded by the flattering notion that God set them up as the recipient's Holy Spirit and is emotionally charged with the projected fantasy of fearful expectation about the lure of the mailman.

One of the things that I like about the story of Penecost is that the Holy Spirit descended on all sorts of people. In fact, there is no demographic that is suggested as the type of person that the Holy Spirit descended on. They weren't in a religious posture. It wasn't for those that were "trained." Education meant nothing. Gender meant nothing. Even the language that they spoke meant nothing. It is simple.

Only those that show up - and are empty ... can be filled.

So by the filling, I can minister, and so can others minister to me. I don't put them through any more requirement (educational, training, gender, etc.) than the Holy Spirit put me through, nor than did the Holy Spirit put others through on Pentecost.

I wish you to know that simplicity also. The simplicity that erases levels of elitism, and destroys self-validation. It is the simplicity that makes every saint of equal inheritance by the grace of the Almighty through the Lord Jesus Christ.

We are.

Absolutely and without question ... no doubt ... We are equals.

If you belong to Jesus, having accepted Him ... then we are spiritual equals. I don't need to know anything else, for nothing else matters.

However, I can't help but be reminded how often I hear a different tune. How is your scripture memorizing? How about your witness? Oh dear, you don't have a church? Has God blessed you like me? What about maturity? ... etc ...

Seems like we have a mess, doesn't it. Well, lets not let others drag us into their unbelief. The moment you detect this elitism attitude, just have this question ready to ask: Provided that we are both Christians, are we spiritual equals?

You have reason to worry if they even hesitate for a second in their answer. The most important person to ask would be your pastor ... and then the other church leaders. Let me know what happens if you do this ... I don't attend church meetings where one clergy-type person is in charge, and I only hang out with people that answer the question as I do, so I don't often get the chance to ask it.

Romans 3 NIV 22. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23. for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24. and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

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John 6:53 -
Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have NO life in you.

John 14:6 -
Jesus said to him, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

John 3:16 -
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

John 3:16 CJB
"For God so loved the world that he gave His only and unique Son, so that everyone who trusts in Him may have eternal life, instead of being utterly destroyed."

John 5:24 -
"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

John 6:27 -
Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him."

John 6:40 -
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day."

John 6:47 -
Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

1Ti 1:16 -
However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life.

Acts 4:12 -
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

------YET MANY CHRISTIANS SAY THAT SIN AND THE REJECTION OF CHRIST IS ANOTHER WAY INTO EVERLASTING LIFE (OR 'EVERLASTING LIVING TORMENT', THEY SAY). WHAT IS THE PENALTY OF SIN AND REJECTING CHRIST'S SALVATION?------

How do you feel about people who torment and even torture other people? I mean think about a history channel special on torture or a movie you saw that had human torture, etc.

Was it good? Did you feel good about it? Or was it pure evil?!

----YET YOU SAY GOD DOES THIS!---- And not only that, but He does it forever and keeps people alive so He can torture them some more! What are you saying about your God, who became flesh and died in your place?!... the GREATEST of ALL LOVES. And what are you calling Jesus who spoke all the verses above, recorded in the Gospel of John?!

-----YOU ARE CALLING YOUR OWN SAVIOR A LIAR!-----

The penalty of sin is: DEATH!

Romans 6:23 -
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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1/14/06 - From God the Father - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

THUS SAYS THE LORD GOD!:
Listen, all you churches of men! Shall I, even I, torment My beloved, they who are tormented continually by he who is, and has, torment in his vesture? Satan is the tormentor. Not knowing, My children, by your own mouth, you have called your God satan. Repent, therefore, and mend your ways, forsaking your corrupt and evil teachings. Become, again, a child of God, and learn to walk uprightly, leading others into love, by love, not fear.
The second death is that grave from which one shall not be raised, nor awakened, for they have been cast out...abiding in outer darkness, forever separated from God and their part in life. These know not anything, forevermore returning to that which they were formed from. This is the eternal state of My punishment for those who have chosen death, by their forsaking of My Gift, wherein is life everlasting. So then, they under condemnation are dead. In no way are they part of the living, nor are they living in torment. Their inheritance is lost, they have been blotted out...a broken vessel of dishonor received by the earth once again.

Amen.

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(From Vol. 4, Letters from God and His Christ):

1/14/06 From God the Father -
A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear
Proclaim NOT the Hell of the Church of Men...In Their Words is No Mercy Found, Only the Makings of Satan

THUS SAYS THE LORD: Listen, all you churches of men!
Shall I, even I, torment My beloved, they who are tormented continually by he who is, and has, torment in his vesture? Satan is the tormentor. Not knowing, My children, by your own mouth, you have called your God satan. Repent, therefore, and mend your ways, forsaking your corrupt and evil teachings. Become, again, a child of God, and learn to walk uprightly, leading others into love, by love, not fear.
The second death is that grave from which one shall not be raised, nor awakened, for they have been cast out...abiding in outer darkness, forever separated from God and their part in life. These know not anything, forevermore returning to that which they were formed from. This is the eternal state of My punishment for those, who have chosen death, by their forsaking of My Gift wherein is life everlasting. So then, they under condemnation are dead. In no way are they part of the living, nor are they living in torment. Their inheritance is lost, they have been blotted out...a broken vessel of dishonor received by the earth once again.

Stop blaspheming your God!
Have greater understanding of My mercies that endure forever.

My Son did sleep in the lower parts of the earth...His tomb...for three days.
By no means did He descend into the evils of man's imaginings.

He is the Pure Light. Never has He had any part in darkness. He shall destroy it utterly.

He is risen!
And all those, who follow and believe in Him, shall also rise and live...meeting Him in the air.
Forever shall they be with their Lord and their God, where all shall find mercy and love.

Amen.

(Excerpt from Vol. 1 - "The Great I AM", Letters from God and His Christ):

[God] Blaspheme His name, and you blaspheme Mine...you shall be destroyed. Life I give...and I shall take it away, unless you repent. There is no life in death; all sleep forever unless the Son calls you to awake.
Fear not, I do not punish eternally that which I have created and given My image. Those, who will not return to their Father, and have become the sons, daughters and concubines of satan, to them will the Lord say, "Dust to dust. No more shall you partake of the Tree of Life or the river therein. You have forsaken He who has given to you freely, and forevermore is your inheritance lost and given to another." Oh mourning, great mourning in all the land, My beloved have become a sore and a sickness. I have sent the Healer...you would not have Him, nor drink of His cup freely offered. So you shall be with your adopted father in the lake that burns forever, and be no more. Rest, oh My beloved who have become mortally ill. Rest, all you wicked, evil has wearied you...rest forevermore. Your light has gone out, and you have been blotted out.

(Excerpt from Vol. 5 - "The Truth Absolute", Letters from God and His Christ):

Thus says the Lord God of Israel, God of Heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen, known and unknown, The God of All, The Only One True God: All else is fantasy and corruption and vexation of spirit, a leading away from the Truth, a valley of dead and dry bones, darkness and blackness, a void of lifeless nothingness...thus is the second death, of which the redeemed in Christ need not fear. These have passed from death into life, despair into joy, and judgment into salvation...taken from the earth to their rightful places, I have prepared for them, paid for in blood by the Lamb.

(Excerpt from Vol. 7 - "The Day of Slaughter, The Day of Glory, A Day of Harsh Judgment, A Day of Deliverance, A Day of Recompense, The Day of Astonishment... The Great and Terrible Day of the Lord!" - Letters from God and His Christ):

[God] And you, oh wicked, true concubines of satan, even you wicked vipers who do shake your fists at Heaven and spit at the King, the Holy One, come and hiss at My chosen, the redeemed from among men, the firstfruits to My glory in Christ...you shall be brought down to hell, the grave. From dust had I formed you, you broken vessels of great dishonor, and to the dust shall you return. Thus is the eternal state of My punishment, thus is the punishment by My own hand: Destruction of the wicked in the lake that burns, consumed in an instant, gone from My presence for eternity. Darkness, outer darkness, nothingness is your reward, and you shall never even know you had received it or received it not. You shall know nothing, nor have ANY part in life. It is taken from you and shall never again be granted to you...your inheritance is lost. This, oh perverse generation, is the eternal state of My punishment and the eternal recompense for all My children, who have forsaken Me utterly in their willful adoption by satan, the evil shepherd of the goats made fat, fat for the slaughter...you are consumed...

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Usually the criticism addresses Mary as a fine person, but not worthy of any special regard because God just had to pick somebody, and it just happened to be her. In other words, God could have chosen any other womb, or at least others could have qualified. It wasn't that the Father was just waiting for someone as special as Mary to come along before He sent Jesus to earth. She was just blessed to be available when God needed someone like her.

I agree. But, don't use that argument against my sacred cows!

I like to think that I am special. I like the flattering gossip at the prayer meetings, when we talk about those that have fallen away, and ministries that strayed off-track. I don't have to say it directly: "I am glad that I am not as other men"- can be read between every smug declaration.

Surely, I wound up-right by my own doing, and others (if they had my fortitude, and my will-power, and my smarts) could stay free from disrepute, and scandal, right?

Am I alone with this flesh tenancy? I must admit it. I don't like it, but sometimes the evil thoughts come into mind. In fact, it would shock you how much time is spent at the Bible-studies that I go to doing exactly this.

God help us, to be free of this! We are vexed by the self-righteous self-exaltative notions that we have it together on our own and others do not. Help us be boastful only of our weakness and how the Lord Jesus has saved wretches like us! You, Lord, didn't need our strength, smarts, nor will-power to accomplish this work in us. Our intellect did not lead us to all Truth ... it is Your Spirit.

We are nothing. You are the Lord.
We give you 100% credit for whatever purity has arrived in us, for on our own we can do nothing. Whatever wisdom, whatever strength, it is You, Lord Jesus!

My hope is built on nothing less
Than Jesus' blood and righteousness.
I dare not trust the sweetest frame,
But wholly trust in Jesus' Name.

On Christ the solid Rock I stand,
All other ground is sinking sand;
All other ground is sinking sand.

When darkness seems to hide His face,
I rest on His unchanging grace.
In every high and stormy gale,
My anchor holds within the veil.

His oath, His covenant, His blood,
Support me in the whelming flood.
When all around my soul gives way,
He then is all my Hope and Stay.

When He shall come with trumpet sound,
Oh may I then in Him be found.
Dressed in His righteousness alone,
Faultless to stand before the throne.

amen

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3/5/05 - From Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

Timothy, write these words to the nations, so they may hear and know.

The Lord God, Creator of Heaven and earth, has come. Even now am I, the Savior, the Holy One of Israel, in your midst. I am also coming quickly in full power and great glory. I bring with Me absolute authority to judge and destroy the wicked and he who is called wicked in his ways. Also will I bind him who has deceived many and caused My lambs to go astray. All these things have been ordained from the beginning by the Father. For His glory will all that is written come to pass, and those things written of the end become manifest in the earth, the sky, the sun, the moon and the stars, for the time is upon you, My children. Return to your first Love, the Love that formed you, the Love that held you, the Love that desired for you to be made in His image, the Love that loves you, the Love that wants to be with you forever. Come now, accept My love. It was out of love that I gave Myself for you, nothing held back. It is My love for you that brings Me back to save you from, and take you out of, that which has hurt you. My love for you is great, so great that I will recreate the entire world for you, so in love you may reside with Me forever. There is no greater love than that of the Father for His children, and so it is manifest through His only Begotten for you, oh peoples of the earth. His love knows no bounds, for it is as the universe, even more so.

Therefore, how much more will be His anger and wrath against those who have hurt, persecuted, stoned, scourged, imprisoned, murdered and torn the flesh of His beloved. Do you not know you are His treasure, His most precious gemstones? I have come to do all that He asks concerning those He loves and who love Him. I come to hide away those special ones who have the light of His love in them, who have accepted He who the Father of Love had sent in love, for love's sake, to die for all.

Oh you peoples of the earth, turn from your wicked ways, and accept the love of the Father through His Son, for His love is so great for you that He will remember your sin no more, and cast away your iniquities.

I, the Son, carry full power and authority as the Father. Still I plead with you, come! Come to Me and be healed, for the Father's love is without end. So much is His love for you that He will risk losing you, so you may choose for yourself...either to love your God, or to His eternal anguish, love yourself and the ways of the world, which lead to destruction and death. Love is a gift, freely given and freely accepted. You can not have love when it is forced upon you. This leads to hate, and is contemptible in His sight. The Father's will is that none are lost. He has also given you the will to choose. His love, and that of the Son, is near to everyone. You only need take My hand. I will lead you from the valley of the shadow of death into the light of salvation. Take My hand, take My hand, all peoples. Grasp it, and come with Me as you are.

Come, all those who know not My ways...I will show you.
Come, all those who have been abandoned...
I will comfort you and give you shelter.
Come, all those who are crippled...let us run and leap for joy together.
Come, all those faithless...I shall fill your cup, and watch how it overflows.
Come, all murderers...watch Me raise you, and all who sleep, from the grave.
Come, all you who blaspheme...I will give you a new voice.
Bring with you all those who are blind and deaf, for they too shall see and hear.
Indeed, come all those who have sinned against Me, take My hand.
I will lead you to the waters where I shall wash you,
and where your new clothes hang upon the tree
which grows next to the stream.

Come one, come all...
ask, and it shall be given you.

All things are possible with God and made manifest through the Son.

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Hell is obviously temporary, but don't tell that to the proponents of the doctrine of hell, which deny that destruction (to perish) is God's ultimate punishment for the damned. Rather, many church-goers are told that the damned never perish, and go on living without end in misery.

This doctrine of unending conscious torment is propped up with scripture passages taken out of context. These passages at first glance may seem to make the annihilation of the damned look impossible, but look closely. Here are 20+ passages that people have tried (and failed) to use as refutation of the scriptural understanding of the utter destruction of the damned.

1) Matthew 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Question: How can the unsaved weep if they no longer exist?

Answer: They weep on the way to destruction.

Have you seen a kid weep and gnash his/her teeth when a parent takes away xbox privileges? Multiply that by a thousand and you will glimpse the childish agony of the spoiled brats who cannot be thankful for the existence that they were given, as they wail when existence is taken from them.

2) Philippians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Question: How can the unsaved bow before Christ if they no longer exist?

Answer: They cannot, and neither do they need to. Those that are annihilated will surely bow down ... and shortly thereafter they will be destroyed.

3) Mat. 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

Question: How can the condition of the damned be worse than before they were born if he no longer exist?

Answer: Is it really better to live a life with your will set in rebellion against God than to not ever exist. Has anyone ever made a case for the benefits of a life spent scattering away from Him rather than gathering to Him?

Lets play basketball and I'll run around with the ball while you and others attempt to play by the rules. I'll just make a mockery of it and keep drop-kicking the ball until it is warped and laugh the whole time, injuring half the other players on the court and you tell me it is better for me to have played that way, than if I had not played at all.

4) Isaiah 33:14The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

Question: How can the damned dwell with devouring fire and everlasting burnings if they no longer exist?

Answer: That passage in Isaiah used a rhetorical question. It is like saying: "Who can ride the bus without a pass?" The reader is to come to the obvious conclusion that it is impossible to ride the bus without a pass.

IOW, it is impossible to live / dwell in devouring fire. That is what Isaiah 33:14 is saying.

This question unwittingly misuses a passage in which the only comprehension of its meaning is in support of annihilation.

5) Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Question: How can the damned be an abhorring to all flesh if they no longer exist?

Answer: This straw-man question is a complete distortion of the verse.

Observation #A - CARCASSES are never living. ALL carcasses lack life otherwise they are NOT carcasses. Hence this is a primary passage against the unbiblical doctrine of unending conscious torment.
Observation #B - no carcass has the wherewithal to sustain a worm that keeps eating it without ever turning away from it. The obvious conclusion of the passage is that not only are the wicked dead, but they are eaten away to nothing by a worm that never turns away from them
Observation #C - no carcass that is burned with an unquenchable fire can outlast the fire ... rather the fire burns away the carcasses over time, since time is no object to an unquenchable fire. So not only are they dead, and eaten away to nothing with worms, but any chance that there could be anything left will be burned away by an unquenchable fire. ... no unending torment.
Observation #D - Any part of mankind that sees this will surely look upon it as an abhorrence ... which means that all of mankind (that remains ... ie. exists) abhors the death and destruction of those that are no longer part of mankind.

6) I Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

Question: How can the enemies of Christ be under His feet if they no longer exist?

Answer: "Under His feet" does NOT imply a living state of existence. "Under His feet" is a phrase that invariably means subjection submission, and conquered ...
Is a dead foe, not also a conquered foe? When we (the allied forces) put Nazi Germany under our feet were they all remaining alive?

7) Luke 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

Question: How can the unsaved be beaten with stripes if they no longer exist?

Answer: Annihilationism (ie, the doctrine that includes John 3:16 in a literal sense - "perish") takes into account that there will be punishment and retribution ... culminating in utter destruction.

So if someone is "beaten" and later will "perish" - these are not mutually exclusive notions ... one can experience both.

8) Rev. 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Question: How can the unsaved be without the city if they no longer exist?

Answer: The city represents existence itself ... true existence which is the realm in which God dwells. To be apart from the City of God is to be apart / away from existence.

Annihilationism requires that God's enemies be beyond the walls of the city, so it is no surprise to see it in scripture.

9) Psalm 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

Question: How can Christ give the heathen for an inheritance if they no longer exist?

Answer: This implies a false extrapolation of the meaning "heathen" to mean those that are under God's wrath during judgment. Rather, this is talking about the heathen nations / gentiles that God offered the nation of Israel. The plunder here is the cities and property of the gentile nations within the physical realm at that time. The souls of men belong to the Lord who can (and will) destroy not only the body but the soul of men who reject Eternal Life found only through Jesus. (Mt 10:28 )

10) Isaiah 14:2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.

Question: How can the believers posses the heathen, if the heathen no longer exist?

Answer: This passage is OBVIOUSLY talking about the living human gentiles that will be possessed as property. It is not talking about the eternal disposition of their souls given away by God. God has not given the destiny of human soul away to anyone ever. One wonders, is the argument that there are personal slaves traded and owned in New Jerusalem?!?!

11) Eze. 22:21 Yea, I will gather you, and blow upon you in the fire of my wrath, and ye shall be melted in the midst thereof. 22 As silver is melted in the midst of the furnace, so shall ye be melted in the midst thereof; and ye shall know that I the LORD have poured out my fury upon you.

Question: How can the damned know that the Lord poured our His wrath on them if they no longer exist?

Answer: The Lord poured out wrath on Sodom and Gomorrah. Both cities were turned to ashes. WHO in their right mind would make a case that the people who dwelled therein do not know that the Lord poured out His fury on them. I assure you that is an accurate figure of speech.

While we are on the subject ... the Bible makes Sodom and Gomorrah as examples of eternal judgment and notice that nobody was endlessly tormented in either city ... rather they were all destroyed without languishing in agony.

2Pe 2:6
and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter;

Jude 1:7
just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

12) Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Question: How can the damned be in torments if they no longer exist? How can the damned converse with The Father if they no longer exist?

Answer: The passage in Luke 16 is a parable.

Just a parable, not a thesis on the afterlife, but an illustration that is useful instruction in this life on how to live.

You missed the point if you think the parable was Jesus' trick to contradict what He said elsewhere about destruction of the soul ... and perishing without His life.

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13) Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Question: How can the torment of the damned yield smoke if they no longer exist?

Answer: The wrong question is asked.

Here is the right question:
How can they yield smoke if they are living?

14) Luke 13:26-28 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Question: How can someone who no longer exists see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and themselves thrust out?

Answer: The ruse in this question is the omission of the next verse where the damned are actually sentenced by being excluded from eternal life.

In other words, this is the conversation that the Lord has with the damned before their damnation begins ... and the punishment is exclusion from eternal life ... ie. to not go on living for ever and ever.

15) Matthew 25:44-45 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

Question: How can the damned converse with The Son if they no longer exist?

Answer: They talk during judgment, then they shut up when they experience second death. Of course, they are dead by then so ...

All you need to do is read the next verse.

16) Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Rev. 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Question: How can the damned have the same fate of being tormented day and night for ever and ever as the devil and his angels if the damned no longer exist?

Answer: Forever and ever comes to a conclusion at the second death. Forever and ever is not "eternity" ... Rather, it just means "for the ever" ... or as long as time exists. After the "last day," time is no more, and forever and ever is also no more.

Just as there was a first day (before which was nothing except the the Great I AM) there will be a last day (after which there will be nothing except the Lord God and those who are ONE with Him.) Thus, we must be born a second time unto eternal life, or perish with the rest of creation when "heaven and earth disappear."

17) Matt. 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

Question: What are the unsaved not to come out from if they no longer exist?

Answer: This is another one, like before that is a parable about how to live in this life. It is not a thesis on what the afterlife is like.

Besides it says in very explicit language that there is "by no means" any "coming out from."

18) Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Question: If the non-elect were annihilated, why does God say they will have no rest?

Answer: Eternity is denied the damned. They may get day and night, but not Eternity ... and alot of good that will do them on the LAST day.

When we enter the eternal state, we do not enter a place that has day or night.

Rev. 21:25 "... In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed; "

19) Luke 12:4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.

Question: Why does God command us to fear Him (and not man) IF all that God will do is ultimately cause cessation of life (which is all that man can do anyway)?

Answer: Matthew's version of this teaching contains information that is missing in the question. Specifically, Matthew includes what God will ultimately do that is far more than any man can do ...

Matt 10:28 "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

20) Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Question: why are the unsaved to fear being cast into hell, if hell is no more than just a cessation of life? Aren’t there those who voluntarily cause their own life to cease? And don’t they wish that that is all that will come of it, and nothing more?

Answer: Aside from the answer given for 19 above ... The drive to keep one's self alive is one of the strongest drives that each of us have. Avoiding second death is a strong motivation ... strong enough, in fact, that those who choose against Eternal life through Christ Jesus the Lord, will have done so whether they go off to cessation of life or life of perpetual torment. However, they do not go off to perpetual torment, as scripture reveals. They go off to destruction.

Matt 7:13"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it."

Mark 9:43,45,47
And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire.
... And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell.
... And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell,48 'where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.'

Question: Why would it be better to live in this life without a hand, foot, or eye (conscious pain) than to have one's existence cease (unconscious of any pain)?

Answer: Aside from the questioner making "the avoidance of pain" being the apparent goal to life, there are important parallels that the Lord's teaching makes worthy of pointing out.

When you gouge out your eye it is dead and useless for vision ... the thrown off part of your body does not continue to live. Same when you cut off your arm. The arm ceases to feel anything and will not languish in agony. It is cut off and no longer a part of the living.

Jesus uses this as a comparison to the second death ... which likewise is not a continuance of living nor a continuance of sensing pain, but a complete cessation of being alert and alive.

The scripture could only be a support for the doctrine of unending conscious torment if instead of how Jesus taught, He said something like rub your eye till it bleeds and swells shut if it offends you, and put burning needles in the skin of your hand if it offends you. But that is not what He taught, is it?... He doesn't say to torment your body parts, but instead to cut them off and remove them from ever feeling anything good or bad ever again.

4/19/06 - From God the Father and Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

[Jesus] Hear the Word of the Lord, the Risen One, your Redeemer: I had come to you as a man, clothed in the flesh of men, humble, My glory set aside; God become man, living as all have lived in the body, but not as man lives in the spirit...for I am clean, having no sin in My body nor in My spirit, having obeyed every command of the Father...blameless.

[God] Behold the Lamb of God! Without spot or blemish, sent to die for the sins of the world, bearing the full weight of transgression in His own body. My Son, You are and will always be the Risen Lamb of God, whereby You took the leaven of the world, having completely unleavened all men, once, for all time, by Your blood, having been the perfect sacrifice for sin, acceptable to God, whereby men have been reconciled to the Father. They, themselves, becoming, once again, My sons and daughters, free to enter the Garden and My love, from which they shall never again be separated...their new life lived in, and for, Christ Jesus, the Lord and Savior, in whom I am well pleased.

[Jesus] So then, little children, and all who gather in My name where I am also, a holy convocation, have understanding of the plan of the ages and creation, which in the sixth day, the leaven of sin had entered into the garden; and on the seventh, God rested and blessed the seventh day.

As I have come and unleavened men by the cross, so must all those, who live in Me, crucify their lives, taking up their crosses and following after Me each day. For these six days of the feast have you made a physical representation of My command to you. You are forgiven...go out and sin no more. And be then separate from other men and all worldly desires, a strange and peculiar people who remain in My love.

The seventh day is the consummation of the six gone before, the cleansing completed, resting from Our works against temptation and evil. For I am coming quickly, and I, too, shall make a complete end to transgression and sin, and all that which leads My children into temptation. First have I unleavened all, who believe in Me, in their bodies...I am your Passover. Now, I am returning to make a complete end of all the leaven that fills the whole world. In seven days (years), I will accomplish it!...the Last Week. Then rest...peace...one thousand years.

Six days, creation...the seventh, rest, holy. Six days since Adam...the seventh, rest, holy. Six days in the week...the seventh, rest, holy. Six days shall you feast...the seventh, rest, holy. Drink and eat in remembrance of Me. Be filled with the glory of the Lord. Amen.

I am the Risen One, who has come to live in you.
By Me shall you overcome, for I had overcome all things from the beginning...
I am the Beginning and the Ending, Alpha and Omega...
All has become new, because of Me and through Me.

Amen.

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"Tell them of My sacrifice in love, of which you have accepted, and is the love which is of such a kind that they long for with all their being and realize it not. For they are those, who have received of the Word on the wayside, where satan came quickly and snatched away all I had planted in them. So you must continually plant without ceasing, until the day the latter rains come, where I will fulfill the increase in them..."
~ Jesus

"I see concern for all who dwell in need and lack. Tell them who is, and was, and will be the fulfillment they seek."
~ Jesus

"Beloved, bear fruit after the kind I have given you. What profit is there in sharing with another that which they already have? Feed the poor in spirit; give them your portion. My bounty is plentiful, given freely to all My people who hunger and thirst. Tell them that you were lost, naked, hungry, thirsty and sick. Now you are whole, for I, Christ Jesus, have found you, and you live in Me...My body, My bride. Look, also, how I have clothed you in these fine linens of white, and tossed away your old rags. No longer are you naked; no longer do you try to cover yourself with sackcloth. Also have I fed you, for My words are bread and as sweet as honey in your mouth, and fill that void within you. You have also drunk deeply of My cup that overflows, for it flows to every part of your life, bringing forth love and understanding. You were so very sick, mortally ill. In Me are you healed...no disease or even death can be found in you. You are a new creation, and shall never again see corruption, for all new creations will be plucked from the earth and replanted in the garden at dawn on the new day, and flourish in the light of the Lord.

Shine, My lamps...put your light upon the stand.
Feed those whose bowls are empty.
Do not give up or give in... the Lord is your Helper; and His Spirit, your guide...."
~ Jesus

Click here for the answer---> Does God approve of Modern Easter?

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Matthew 25:6
And at midnight a cry was heard: 'Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!'

I am taking the time to witness to you that I have heard this cry about which the Lord Jesus foretold.

You can hear it too. Goto: http://TrumpetCallOfGodOnline.com ... and hear for yourself.

No man knows the day or the hour, but where is it written that it is proper to turn a blind eye to the seasons and times when the markers of His return are shown before our faces on a daily basis?

"Therefore you do NOT lack ANY spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed. " (1 cor1:7)

Some say we all lack 100% of spiritual gifts since the New Testament is finished. I believe as Paul, ... that we retain 100% of all gifts as we wait eagerly for the Lord's return.

What I mean, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none; those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep; those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away. (1 Corinthians 7:29 - 31)

Some err in the expectation that He is coming before His time. Others err in the expectation that He is delayed and won't be here anytime soon. Please let us be counted among those that are correct, and if not correct then let us be a people like Paul who err towards too early rather than too late.

"And at midnight there was a cry made: `Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.' Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps." ... "and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage, and the door was shut." (Matt 25:6,7,10)

Some don't hear the cry and are caught unawares but all of this teaching is so we are warned to not let it happen. Shall we then let it happen saying that is the way God wants it?

To WATCH the Video, click blog title above or HERE---> *Transgression - Thus Says The Lord AGAINST Man's Holidays!

Excerpts:
THUS SAYS THE LORD:
This world has altogether become a house of harlots, who continually go out to commit fornication with the unclean and revel in their adulteries against God, altogether forsaking Him who I sent to them so they may turn away from their ways and become completely clean...none of these have harkened. They remain shackled to this world and its fornications of sin, intermingling honor with dishonor, praise with blasphemy, and sin with purity. Woe! My children, you have all fallen into the snare of the devil. Can you not see, My children? Open your eyes and read the writing set forth in stone, written by the hand of God, the everlasting Law etched with burning fire, blazing as a torch so you may not stumble in the darkness which surrounds you...

I shall speak plainly, so those slow to understanding may hear, though their ears are dull and their eyes are dim.

These modern holidays, Christmas, Easter and Halloween, are abomination in the eyes of the Lord God Almighty. I shall destroy them and wipe them from the face of the whole earth! No more shall you break My commands, and revel in sin, in the Sons name. My countenance is turned against you! says the Lord of Hosts.

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Let me try to simplify these in a comparison:

holidays-------------------------Holy Days

seem to be of the Truth------Reveal the truth about God

not in the Bible---------------mentioned throughout Bible

mix paganism with Truth----pure Word of God/prophetic

corruption of truth------------pure Truth

man-made---------------------God ordained

profain Jesus' name-----------Glorify Jesus' name

renamed by men-------------named by God for a reason

lead people away-----------point to the Messiah > Jesus

reveal the mind of men---------reveal the mind of God

point to false god's------------point to Jesus

replacements (unholy)---------original > Holy

break the commandments-----honor the commandments

plan of men to appease the pagans----"Plan of the Ages"

defiles Christ in practice-----Glorifies Christ in the practice

commanded by men-----------commanded by God

kept by believer and unbeliever alike----believers only

kept by world-------------kept by Jesus and the Apostles

Easter (pagan goddess name)----FirstFruits (word used for Jesus by Paul)

Note: Easter is actually celebrated by Christians on the correct day and mostly for the right reasons. Only the name is an abomination and the modern practices.
Jesus actually rose from the dead on a Saturday at sunset, which is also the beginning of the Holy Day First Fruits which continues through Sunday until sunset.
[*For the Chronology of Jesus' Crucifixion Click here]

Also, most of the holiday desecration is in the practice and in the decor or symbols attached to them which are pagan and are related to the worship of false gods.

[*To read more Biblical and historical evidence regarding these MODERN HOLIDAYS and their origins verses GOD'S HOLY DAYS and what they truly mean, click here ---> TrumpetCallofGod.com/pdfs/holy_day_study.pdf]

Sometimes I see it! I'm His monkey. He picked me for something and I'm finding that out each day ... same with you too. He could launch one of us in orbit and set the other one in a different situation. We are along for the ride either way. He has to pull the levers and punch the buttons!

There is no use for even an astronaut to brag, because it they have sent rats to space, it is Mission Control that does all the work. Likewise, I can't take credit for anything He does in Me that reflects His glory, grace, and goodness. He gets the glory. I'm just along for the ride, while all the buttons and levers are controlled by Him. He could pick anyone, so there is no use bragging or thinking too highly of myself. After all, I'm just God's monkey .. .and I'm grateful to be put to use for anything He wants.

"""It is not that we are competent in ourselves to count anything as having come from us; on the contrary, our competence is from God. """ ~ Paul (2 Cor 3:5)

How could we have called Jesus our King and still dictatorially disregard His rule, by upholding a personal-rights ultimatum?

If you have never read a medical waiver, my advise is to not read it. Just sign it, and be done with it. You are signing all your rights away, so just embrace it. Once you have signed it, you have agreed to not complain if the doctor cuts your head off during hang-nail surgery on your small toe. You are basically saying that you are at the surgeon's mercy to fix what he can fix with none of your rights to interfere or grumble about his methods. But, refuse the waiver; and you refuse the cure.

The first time that I made God my Lord, I screwed it up. I did not sign the waiver. I held my rights.

What would you say about someone that grumbles and calls a surgeon fraud because he couldn't cure a thing? What if this same miserable patient didn't tell you that the surgeon did not cure them because they refused to trust his fix, and refused to sign away their rights? Does their criticism of the surgeon hold water, or did they simply count the costs as too high?

I was just such a patient.

1 Chronicles 29:22
They ate and drank with great joy in the presence of the LORD that day. Then they acknowledged Solomon son of David as king a second time, ...

Who was the real cause of my misery? What was the cost of my cure?

When I became desperate, I found that even the right to be well, is not too much of a cost to surrender. I acknowledged Jesus, KING a second time.

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Since we have our rest in Jesus, and what was once physical is now spiritual, why would the sabbath be a day?
If Jesus is truly our rest (which of course He is) and things that once were physical are now spiritual (the temple, inward holiness rather than outward....) then what reasons do we have to still keep the sabbath on a certain day? This is a genuine question, and I thank all for their responses.

Answer by Trent (inspired)

What does love look like?

A good indication that two people are in love is when they give one another gifts and wrap them in pretty paper with a touching note attached. Next time your beloved gives such a gift it is wise to open it and not just toss it aside, but take a moment to carefully examine what is given ... if it is clothes, then it is nice to try it on. If it is a necklace then ask your beloved to help you with the clasp (if required) so that you can wear it. It is nice to ask why they picked out the pendant and what it might mean, or otherwise engage in conversation about it.

In contrast, what would you think about a person who is loved and given such a gift, but instead refuses to open it? What if they open it and treat it with disregard or even worse ... with disdain / anger as if the devil wrapped it as a trap and placed it at your doorstep as a cruel trick? Would that reaction to the gift indicate mutual love or hatefulness?

And so I speak to you as someone who was so hateful to leave the gift wrapped and treat it like my beloved was tricking me for many years. I only speak to you about what I have done. Now, even upon occasion a friend would come along and say they opened the gift and love it, but I struck at them with my mouth and with my thoughts birthed in darkness and ignorance. I suppose there is something in human nature that fears what they do not know about ... and it is perhaps for this reason that the Lord made it clear ... its not a trap ... it is a gift!

Mr 2:27
And He said unto them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath."

I will tell you something that very few will understand, but I will say it anyway. These things (sabbaths and holy days / feasts) that I once treated with disdain, I now treasure as wonderful gifts from my Lord and Savior. I don't ever want to try to get by without them, but I didn't know that until I finally decided to experiment one day ... and give the gift a try. I opened the gift! And AFTERWARD God opened my eyes!

I don't know if your experience will be different than mine, but for me ... I didn't "get it" until I DID it. It was still a mystery ... I still was not sure it really was a gift.

Fastforward 1 year or so since my first Sabbath experience: God and I are giving each other presents constantly ... He always gives me more than I can give back ... and He always has a gift waiting for me every week. That is the way I see each Sabbath, now. I never would have guessed I would end up like this ... like a quivering lover delighted and opening one gift after another ... with glee each time. Thus, this has inspired me to make my whole life a gift to Him ... I just want to ... what else could someone do with so little to give, but just to honor Him in all my ways the best I know how ... and in the meantime do my best to open each new gift He gives me ... as a lover would open a gift ... no hate fullness found anymore.

You may not "get it" until you DO it. That's the best thing I can tell you.

The funny thing about God's glory (where I am concerned) is this: "God will not give His glory to another," and I am an other, so I am a potential threat to the glory of God.

I love banks. I give my money to banks. Now, the bank can do almost anything they want with my money. They can count it, stack it, fold it, store it, sniff it, microwave it, and roll around in it (but that is getting pretty weird,) but there is one thing that I don't want them to do with it. It is unacceptable for them to pocket the money for themselves.

There are times when I am an unacceptable vessel for God's glory. I'm just not "safe" for the glory. There are times when I want it for myself. The real war is not between good and evil. The real war is between the Creator's glory and the creation's glory. Too often, we are like the fallen angels.

We may act like the bank that takes the money.

It is said that Billy Graham has led millions to the Lord. It is said that the Apostle's healed thousands and raised the dead. It is said that Moses lifted up a staff, and the sea parted before him. Now, why am I not a vessel of more of God's glory? I'll tell you the reason. The reason that I am not a vessel for that much glory, is because one reason. On the other side of the Red Sea, someone would have said, "Great job!" And I would have replied, "Thanks." (what I should say is: "Why thank me? Glory to God. I did nothing.)

A bank would do better to return in-full, whatever was given.