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Re: $1.50 Rootstocks available at the HOS Arboretum

Alcedo — Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:17:44 -0800

Woww, sounds good especially the Krymsk's. The results of (plum) Krymsk1 synonym VVA-1 are very favorable, has many beneficial properties. Over here for the backyard gardener, they are not available, only limited by professionals. This is a bargain.

Re: Grafting supplies needed.

Viron — Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:29:13 -0800

Marsha, the rubber band should complete the seal, but Tanglefoot’s a great addition. When I notice ‘chewing’ on the new leaves of a graft -- that’s what I grab. Smear it around the scion base or the limb they're on and the chewing stops!

It sure is a mess to work with though… you basically have to wear it off

Re: Grafting edible fruit varieties on non-edible mature trees?

Viron — Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:16:48 -0800

(you're welcome ) I think the Asian plum to ornamental would work; it’s said ‘Asian to Euro’ is a strong and long-lived connection – and I’m pretty sure the ‘ornamental’ is of European ancestry. If it’s Asian… all the better.

I don’t think the Apple to Dogwood will work… without getting technical. If anyone knows different - I suspect they’ll check in.

Now, about those beautiful trees... new grafts will need sun to grow, lots of sun, like a new little tree. If the grafts are made under the canopy or shaded for most of the day they won’t prosper or grow into the limbs necessary to become productive. So a lot of that beautiful tree will have to disappear… Also, there will be very tempting and delicate scions obviously grafted in its place. Having done an extensive repair job on a friends tree … neither of us considered its proximity to the sidewalk and school it led to. Consequently, the young grafts were destroyed

If you decide to go for it, you’ll need some dormant scions; the bark is too thick to Bud graft – and you want the grafts as close to the trunk as possible, not ‘out on a limb.’ As you just missed our scion exchange, here’s an opportunity to score some wood: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4011 …though I was very disappointed with the small diameter Asian plum wood at our show, and to some degree, size matters; it makes for a more substantial piece to work with. A. plum is often ‘peffy’ or hollow, larger is better – especially when bark grafting.

Know how to bark, or “Rind Graft?” If not… you missed that presentation, too. But since I’m the guy who led it, I’m open to questions. Actually, it’s the easiest graft I know. One long slanting cut on the scion; an upside-down (inverted) ‘L’ cut on ‘slipping bark’ (about a month from now); slide in the scion, cut face to wood; nail it through; putty and seal the gaps; paint with yellow ‘Doc’ and hope passers by leave it the hell alone.

Whadaya think?

Re: Second opinion on damaged persimmon

John S — Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:08:40 -0800

I agree. Unacceptable. Although I have had mostly good luck with Burnt Ridge, I have encountered them just saying "I don't see how that's my fault" when their plant died quickly although it was well watered.
Even if it's their last one, they should send the money back. If you want to try to grow it you can, though.
John S
PDX OR

Re: Grafting supplies needed.

Marsha — Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:01:00 -0800

Question about sealant - once the graft has been rubber-banded into place, is there any reason one can't use something like Tanglefoot to keep what's in in, and what should be out, out? The stuff seems to shed water for several seasons, it's almost infinitely flexible, and it's nasty enough that no one's going to touch it to look at the condition of the graft.

Re: $1.50 Rootstocks available at the HOS Arboretum

Marsha — Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:54:33 -0800

Phooey. I asked (too late, and without any idea what was actually left) what was going to happen to the collection. It occurs to me that I could use a couple of sticks of each of the cherry rootstock types, get some much-needed practice, and perhaps give new life to a coworker's elderly tree. Is anyone who is located more centrally than the Arboretum going to be going there soon? I don't like driving at the best of times, and I really don't want to drive that far for $6 worth of tree that I'll probably kill.

Re: Cherry 'Starkrimson'

Viron — Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:43:56 -0800

Welcome Netherlands! Here’s from one of my “Stark Bro’s” Spring 1999 mail order catalogs, I’ve saved fruit catalogs for years… never knowing if they might some day be of interest:

“The sweetest of the Bing types, and it’s self-pollinating too!” “Starkrimson Sweet Cherry: Lapins cultivar. …Our Starkrimson produces its heart out in a relatively small space, growing 15-18 ft. tall. …And these are great big, Bing-type cherries, over an inch in diameter. The cherries on your Starkrimson tree will ripen in late June in Zone 5. …And you’ll love the firm, meaty texture. Semi-Dwarf # 03683 .. 3 ft. & up .. $19.95.”

That’s straight from their catalog, minus some salivating descriptions, nearly as attractive as your pics! Stark Bro’s, since 1816 has patented their own trees. I have several; good varieties, but not legally propagated by anyone else. …I’m not sure if they’re still in business, though a quick search could confirm that. Honestly, due to their incessant patenting of nearly everything, many within our Society have boycotted their cultivars… I didn’t, I was still a Newby!

Hope that’s a lead to what you’re looking for

Re: $1.50 Rootstocks available at the HOS Arboretum

Viron — Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:18:40 -0800

Nice! We had some excellent rootstock this year. Grafting all day – I likely seen samples of it all – possibly the best sized and shaped stock I’ve seen in …14 years of doing that.

What a deal

Re: Grafting supplies needed.

Viron — Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:10:51 -0800

You’ve also got to watch what’s sold as “grafting supplies.” That stuff always catches my eye, and though I’m glad to see someone carrying something for grafting, it can also be ancient weird stuff several generations old; like blocks of grafting wax and asphalt emulsion … along with very expensive knives.

Being (as described above) many items will work, a lot depends on how many grafts you’re planning to make… For all I do for others, I like to use the best products I can find – which causes me to look further a field. The “Doc Farwell’s” grafting compound is readily available from the Wilco farm stores around me. Fred Meyer may even carry it, as do most decent Nurseries.

I do like a good grafting knife… though doubt you’d find one for as little as I did ($4.99 many moons ago!). Fixed handles are my preference, but it appears anything that cuts can work. The largest ‘Budding Bands’ are hard to beat … and hard to find… Oregon Bag Co. is the closest source I know for them (mail ordered at that). Some are using “Para-film,” though it’s apparently not specifically marketed for grafting, and I’ve not yet found an absolute need for it.

Tell us what you’re lacking and we can likely tell you where to find it!

$1.50 Rootstocks available at the HOS Arboretum

arboretum — Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:52:53 -0800

In the aftermath of the Fruit Propagation Fair, all of the unsold rootstocks get carted off to the HOS Arboretum in Oregon City, where they are heeled in to await a new home.
We had a lot of rootstocks left over this year, and they are for sale at the great price of $1.50 each!!
They are available for pickup on tuesdays or saturdays from 9-3pm at the arboretum in oregon city.
email me: arboretum at homeorchardsociety dot org to confirm the supply you are looking for.
Come take some rootstocks of our hands and give them a good home!!! Please!!
thanks,
karen

Follows is the availability list; most of what we have is 1/4-3/8" caliper; the quantity follows in parentheses.
for each species, they are listed in rough order of size, from biggest to dwarfingest.

plums:
Marianna 2624 (150+) [this is the biggest caliper, ±1/2", with great roots]
St. Julian A (100+)
Krymsk 1 (40)

Cherries:
Colt (30)
Krymsk 5 (20)

Peach:
Lovell (10)

Pear/Quince:
OHxF 333 (300+)
EMLA Quince C (200+)
OHxF 87 (75+)

Asian Pears:
Pyrus betulifolia (50+)

Apple:
Malus antonovka (15)
M111 (22)
M7 (200+)
M26 (26) these are left 4' tall, grown for budding multiple varieties along their length during budding season to create multi-graft espalier trees
M9 (20)
Bud 9 (75+)
Mark (75+)
M27 (75+)
P22 (200+)